Quick feedback for the editor (Mark, or whoever came up with that), since this is the first time I've seen it in an LTT video: The pointers in the charts, indicating what data-points Linus is talking about, REALLY improve the ability to understand them. Honestly surprised that this wasn't a thing years ago.
Want to add that I greatly appreciate that as well. I know that it takes time in the edit but it really is appreciated and elevates the video's production quality.
I get the feeling, while some of them are actually desperate for the card to finish their builds or whatever, most are actually there to buy the card to scalp it in that video.
That's a good point. When the video caption goes from "people rushing to buy a GPU at MSRP" to "people rushing to get $1000 free," it becomes much more understandable.
Eh.. that's just being cynical. Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." chances are most are desperate for the cards themselves.
@@ExarchGaming it’s hard to say. The amount of cards I see on Facebook market place, after there’s any cards released in Edmonton, leads me to believe otherwise.
I mean, id highly disagree. Most, if not all, scalpers are shopping for gpus online because its much easier to either A. Have a bot do it or B. Buy cards in bulk
@@ExarchGaming I don't think rushing to buy a GPU to finish/upgrade a build or for scalping in that fashion falls under stupidity. They are desperate and/or greedy.
I legit laughed out loud when it cut from the footage of the "micro center rush" to Linus looking like a super villan with his collection of rare RTX cards lmao 🤣
@Viztiz I'm not talking about the ones he reviews. I'm speaking generally. Linus is a well known and supported tech youtuber and has his own store and brand with multiple affiliates. If he REALLY wanted a personal GPU. I'm sure paying the inflated prices is no skin off his back. You're not gonna see Linus chilling in line at some GPU drop in best buy unless its for clout or a legitimate reason. of course he's not going to fight over it, because he likely can afford either choice without a second thought. That's not to say he supports scalper but we're all human.
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Yeah I got a 2070 super then the linus video came out a day later saying it's obsolete after the 3000 series was announced. I'm feeling pretty happy with my purchase now lol.
While tgey are helpful,i dont understand the order of the graphic cards. They should be rather sorted according to performanxe instead of pushing 3070 ti to the top
@@stonecoldxi9138 Yeah, they should pick one thing or the other. Either put the subject card at the top so it's easy to find or put them in order of performance and highlight the subject of the video. I'd prefer the latter.
@@AryanGupta-gv3we i understand that, but having the yellow rectangles makes putting 3070 at the top useless. A graph with sorted bars is much easier to read and also pleasant to look at
Unlikely, I happened to get a GPU at a micro center in the last week (no I wasn't in that crowd) and before they gave it it me they made it very clear I can't by a second one from any of there locations in within an extended time frame due to the shortage. And they scanned my license. If someone is flipping it I hope they dont end up needed another card for themselves within a year or longer depending how demand changes.
If anyone at LMG looks at this for feedback, tell the design guys I love the new square indicators that pop up highlighting the numbers Linus is comparing.
The squares were way too big and the flashing was distracting from the other numbers. Yes it may be the point to draw attention but I found it distracting when trying to look at the numbers overall. A smaller indicator like a different colored bar on the graph or a non-flashing square would be better.
3080 non-Ti ended up being the card that actually makes more sense to buy from a cost to performance point of view, if you can get one ofc. Also, the first ones didn't have LHR limitations so that factors in for future second hand market value.
Honestly I got a 3080 on impulse, and I regret not getting a 3060 ti instead. Don’t get me wrong the card is insane, but I only have a 1440p monitor and I could have gotten the strix 3060 ti and oc’d the snot out of it. It’s ok tho
@@braxtongarner3843 honestly the 10GB will make that 3080 last longer, even at 1440p. Also as games advance RT further the extra RT Cores will help too. Also the Memory bandwidth and more cores overall will help when RTX-IO comes into play for future games. And considering the 3080 can do 8K using Ultra Performance DLSS, you'd be fine resolution wise for a while I feel. The ROI on the 3080 is just the outright best of the Seires if you got one at MSRP as it would last the longest before being notably slower than newer cards, while not being the ludicrous 1300-1500$ cards the 3080Ti and 3090 are MSRP wise. And the 3060Ti is a great card... But it will become obsoleted by the 8GB of memory sooner than it's GPU Cores will become obsolete if newer games are to go by
@@Alovon then get Rx 6800 xt instead. Sure it has no rtx but it’s not even worth it for the fps it takes. I agree dlss is better then fsr but it’s very close and it’s 50 bucks cheaper and has 6gb more vram although slightly slower.
Thank you so much for adding those pulsing indicators! They make it so much easier to keep up with which items are being talked about without having to constantly pause or jump back in time!
@@InternetSupervillain remember when to used to be at least 20-30% stronger than base models? These people live in fairy tail because Linus said it's nice so it must be nice
@@ramanmono Showing 7000 with no unit would look a bit odd. They could have showed it as 7000 "MHz", that is, quoted the MHz to show it's not REALLY MHz. People would both understand it, as it's familiar, and also see that it's not exactly that.
@@Winnetou17 7000 is still incorrect number. It makes an assumption GDDR6 is on DDR mode and not QDR. QDR clock speed would 3500(14/4=3.5). So proper way is to use command clock(1750) just like AMD and most monitoring applications do or use full datarate(14Gbps). These two values are consistent over different products.
Highlighting important parts of the performance graphs is a great idea. Actually really helps to keep up with the explanations. I'd love to see that in future reviews.
You should also get the negative side. This card makes no sense to fall right in between the 3070 and 3080 when it comes to pricing, as it does not offer a middle ground performance wise. Nvidia is making serious botched decisions with the launch of the 3000 family.
If these were actually available this card would make no sense, for just $100 more you get a 3080. It should only be 10% slower than a 3080 at this price.
But that's the point. These cards won't be Available at all. You might get lucky and find an AIB card at $150+ more (if you camp out at microcenter) and that's it.
I mean, if these cards came out in a normal market the 3070 ti would be like 575$ and the 3080 ti would be about 1000$, they have just put a markup on both because they can. If these cards released at their normal prices people would would be just fine with them, but the fact that they are releasing new cards in a market with no cards and for more money than they are realistically worth put a sour taste in most people's mouth.
Exactly, 3070ti performs barely better than the 3070 and much worse comparatively than the 3080, so may as well either spend $100 less to get something almost as good, or $100 more to get something much better (assuming availability).
@@krissman123 1) no, nvidia literally never sells GPUs at $400 or higher at anything below a $100 dollar price increase of the lower model GPU, thats not a thing. And it was supposed to to compete directly with the $580 6800. And no, nobody would be fine with a $575 3070 ti thats barely faster than a 3070 and significanly slower than a 6800 for the same price. Also there is nobody on the fucking planet that would think $25 dollars cheaper for a $600 gpu is a noticeable deal, thats literally not a thing. Maybe if it was $50 cheaper some people might be like “eh fuck it $50 dollars off sweet” but $25 off a high end GPU? Are you outside your damn mind? Thats barely a difference. Im not even gonna get into the robbery thats the 3080 ti. That card is barely faster than a 3080 why asking for nearly double the price. But even if it was $1000 thats still like 35 percent more money for like what? 10 percent more performance? Im not gonna do the match on that but you get my point. Realistically the card should be no more $900, im the first to say people who called the 3090 a dumb card but jizz buckets over the 6900XT are shills and dumb as hell, my stance wouldnt change if its the 3080 ti or even 3090 at $1000
I think they're still comparing it to the last gen but this is def for more money on nvidia's end especially those who aren't as tech savy and can buy whatever they can get their hands on.
If something's a worse deal than something that already exists it's simply a bad deal, no matter how good the thing it's competing with is. Note he said that it would be a good deal without the shortage, so stock and scalper issues don't come into it.
Yet virtually all reviewers have orgasms testing a 5950x that nets less than 8% FPS as a 5800x for TWICE the price. Now is NOT the time to be picky for gpu's...
@@zm5668 The overwhelming majority of people watching this review will do so in the current retail climate. And in two years from now this video will be out of date with missing and bad information (due to new competitor products and bios changes, etc) regardless of any pricing situation.
Kinda bummed I finalized my build with 2x 1070s right before COVID, but they're at least enough to get me nice framerates on the kinds of games I like. For any games planned to have mass appeal, devs should really consider investing more in optimization infrastructure for the next little while.
explain what? look at the high end watch industry its the same, supply and demand dictate the market. MSRP is set by the manufacture all the brands you love don't manufacture these cards. They don't care about manufacturing price its all about supply and demand. If you have problem with the price rise through a retail store like Microcentre go and complain to them and others including Asus, Msi, Gigabyte etc. Thats where the retail price inflation is coming from.
@@csunstudent148 your wrong as your thoughts are to against the "unfairness" that you are unable to look at the situation for what it currently is without bias.
@@And0199 nobody can help you if you don't understand where is a problem with this video and this card. Just press like up there under a video and be a happy little sheep.
He said it at the end: Current market = good deal If everything was at MSRP and there was no shortage = very bad launch Plus at the start of the video, I think that was on purpose, to me it looks like it's scripted to look half-hearted and desperate when he talks about what a good deal it is, like anyone trying to buy a GPU is.
That's actually a sneaky good point. Nowadays reviewers like LTT tend to dismiss graphics OCing, and while the gains aren't as great as they once were, they are enough to jump your 3070 into a stock 3070 TI.... congrats! you just saved 100 virtual bucks.
@@AyoKeito sure, but while the 3070 OC is enough to get you to a 3070 TI performance level, the OC on the 3070 TI will still leave you 15/20% short of a 3080. Just enough to fit a 3070 super, or something.
Linus: "Look at these charts showing how underwhelming and negligible these performance differences are for the price." Also Linus: "Buy this card immediately!"
@skOsH doesn't add that much at best you might find 10% in a really heavy v ram usage but normal gaming gamers nexus mostly saw about 7% vs the normal 3070
What are you guys even going on about? The 3070Ti is a bad deal in the case of perf-to-price def, no questioning it. If you find both the 3070 and the 3070Ti at MSRP on shelves anywhere, take the 3070 and run (after u pay for it). But if the 3070Ti is the only one sitting at msrp on shelves, it is worth it, if you want a gpu. That's the only case it is worth it in, and prob what Linus is suggesting as well. We are seeing people literally buying cards for over a $1000 for 2000 and 3000 series cards not after waiting for months. Not everyone thinks about their wallet first, whether they can or cannot afford it.
@skOsH the biggest issue with amd cards this gen is aib mark up is insane so even if you manage to get one they are already expensive most 6900xt cards are near or north of 2k usd at there retail price
Yeah, they are placing 3070 Ti on the top, and this way you cannot tell easily the differences between the other cards or where this card stacks up on the chart. I begin to lose faith on LTT. Not to mention that half of his videos now are sponsored ads.
Check out Hardware Unboxed, their GPU graphs are the easiest to read (IMHO) and they put immense effort into the testing process. I'd say their reviews are a nice middle ground between LTT's "mainstream" style and GN's technical & critical style.
Where I live, retailers have doubled the prices of 3070/3080, same goes for AMD's counterpart. So yeah, despite what reviewers may say about the 3070/3080 Ti pricing, I'd kill to buy those graphic card at MSRP.
The yellow boxes to highlight which bench marks you are currently referencing are AWESOME! Often I'm appreciative of the layout you guys have, but find myself pausing to take time to analyse the results. Having the 3070 and 3070ti results marked made the viewing experience a joy. Thanks I've been wanting this for a while!
Totally agreed, usually its not necessary because the ones you care about are right next to each other, but in this case, with them seperated by several other cards, the boxes are a great way to help the eyes keep track of which bars are significant.
I knew this would happen. I called all of this back when the marketing for the 30 series dropped. I told all my friends "Okay, 20 series are going to be listed on Kijiji for absolutely nothing because everyone will want the 30 series and once they can't get it, the 20 series are going to increase in price." I picked up 4 2080's for an average of $450 CAD the week before the GPUs actually dropped.
Wow... that is insane. As much as I'd love to drive 4 hours to the nearest micro-center I would hate to get trampled in those crowds. I'm SOO Glad that I waited till August 12th 2022 to purchase Through Amazon as I got one of only a few EVGA 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra's (best o' best) for $1099! The price went back up to 1750 now sitting at 1499 3 weeks later. Crazy market. hOPE everyone gets what they need/want and doesnt get absolutely rolled on prices.
Loving the blinking yellow squares on the GPU graphs, I always have to pause for some time to understand these while you're talking over them! So much easier to have a visual cue!
Man, I'm so glad I got my 3070 (non Ti) when I did. Looking at that clip of people stampeding to the PC shop raised my blood pressure quite considerably.
For Linus because there are scalpers the price is good as long as it lower then the scalping prices. My dude that makes no sense and only fuels the scalpers
@@StealthGhost: Framebuffer is the tiny part of VRAM that holds the pixel data that will be sent to the monitor during the next screen refresh, or it's an offscreen buffer whose picture will be used for further calculations. That's dozens or perhaps hundreds of megabytes at most. The majority of VRAM contains textures and geometry data.
Just got the Asus Strix 3070 ti oc for £580, the 3080 is still so expensive here in the UK plus it's a big jump from my 1060 6gb so I'm very pleased. Now I just need a new monitor as my acer gn246hl only has dvi connection which obviously isn't compatible with 3070 ti :(
Title: *People Will Literally Fight Over This* Linus' table: *Holds 5 GPU's* Canadian Guy: *Looks through window* Also Canadian Guy: *Breaks window and fights Linus for the GPU's*
I just got an msi card from microcenter in brentwood MO. They were full of stock. 3090s 3080tis and 3070tis. I went at 8pm the employees there were as suprised as i was that their stock lasted that long. Its a beast. Runs every game I own at max settings. Doom eternal 2k ultra nightmare graphics plus ray tracing dlss-quality runs smoother than butter. The only game that struggles is minecraft java with BSL shaders at max on an old world full of stuff and thats a cpu issue lol
That's the point of this video. Everybody else talks about the shortage without thinking that said shortage is temporal but the video is permanent. In two years which videos are going to be more useful: the ones whinning about the shortage or the ones that really compare graphics cards?
@@raminatox the ones that come out in late 2022 and mid 2023 that directly compare current gpus to the future gpus? You act like the 4000 series reviews won't be compared to the 3000 series and those reviews will actually have timely information instead of referring to an old outdated video.
@@joemarais7683 @AJ Sweeney I bet you are a couple of rich brats who can run an buy every new shinny toy every year. But some of us can't do that. We buy used stuff and rely on old videos to do that.
@@raminatox Except what Joe said makes perfect sense. If he is a rich brat then so are you because if you actually read what he said you would have noticed he said these exact same benchmarks will be in 4000 series reviews. Nothing about buying new or used cards. Sound like a whinny brat
The ASUS TUF Gaming OC Edition RTX 3070 Ti was reduced from $950 to $700 at my local Micro Center this week. That's $100 above the $600 MSRP of the Founder's Edition, but a not a bad deal at this point in time. Many decent triple-fan 3060 Ti LHR cards still go for as much as $600 while the 3080 LHR cards go for $1250 and as much as $1600 for the premium partner boards. If you don't mind going with AMD, you can buy a PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT or reference card for $1200 or the Red Devil Ultimate for $200 more.
@@emwungarand Is that when they drop on their store front? I've had the opportunity to install 2 6800s with the reference design and wow.. they run cool, they run quiet. Also installed a Nitro 6800 and while it was very comparable it's also a fair bit bigger. I'd heard AMD was discontinuing sales of their reference card. Glad their not if that's the case... it's a good design. Both Amd and Nv did well on their reference designs this time out.
@@EvolKnives The saddest thing is, it will not.....It will not get better at all....Tbh I lost all hope for the new GPUs....Its just sad and disappointing really....
The truth is the 1070 still runs everything absolutely beautifully and spending 2 grand on a card doesn't actually improve the experience if you like games, not just graphics.
@@Zardoz3974 Glad someone else noticed that. He does it after every controversial video. Condescendingly tries to explain to us why we are wrong and he is right every WAN show.
I wont lie the RTX 3070 TI is underrated people are always saying that the card is bad when actually its a pretty decent card just because its closer to the RTX 3070 does'nt mean you have to shame the living shit out of it.
They're obviously getting a huge kick out of screwing with ppl. I'll just keep sitting on my 1080Ti, might transition to a 20 or 30 series by the time the 50 (or 10 again?) series comes out
Also on 1080ti and honestly see no reason to upgrade gaming wise. Still a strong card for modern games on my 1440p UW. Sure you don't get all the new bells and whistles but I think RTX still needs another gen or two to mature. That's before considering how stupid prices are right now. Probs upgrade with 40 series assuming supply isn't an issue...
yeah I'm keeping my 1080ti for at least 10 years, I got a top end system (excl. 1080ti) in 2012 and only planning on getting more RAM now, but I've always wanted more RAM
I totally just visualized that. For some reason, it was a western setting with cowboys. And NVidia bartender had a thin moustache, and couldn't be less bothered.
I stayed outside of micro center in Cambridge Mass for 19 hours. Everyone was respectful and we had a list that people signed in for positions and we did checks every few hours to make sure spot were correct. I would say about 200 people total by store opening. I was 12th in line and finally got the 3070ti. It was the first time I tried for a GPU in person because I was tired of failing online for so long. It was fun and the store we were at the employees hated the releases but had fun and conversed with a lot of us. Can’t wait to finish this build this weekend.
same for me, except westbury microcenter instead. 20 hours, 2nd in line, and on nov 18th, launch day of 6800xt. there was only two 6800xts in stock. imagine the dumb look on my face when i finally got voucher. never felt so happy to pay msrp on a new gpu.
I never knew this was a big deal until now but I truly appreciate the way you guys do the graphs, where you kept every card in the same order between slides as oppose to just doing it in descending order based on performance so the cards are jumping all over the place and makes it harder for me to try and see the difference between the only two or three cards I'm trying to compare because the three seconds between slides is enough time to compare anything or expecting me to pause the video every three seconds like every other youtuber does.
@@TankSenior well. Originally it was because a fake GN Steve account was in the stream comments making statements that got called out live. And real Steve wanted to both clarify it wasn't his statement and state that Linus isn't on anyone's payroll
He proved that MSRP and resale price increases correlate but didn’t compare that to how resale price and performance correlate so didn’t actually prove anything.
Same to bge fair I was concerned about it before. They should look at a much wider selection of games and much more of them. I don't expect Hardware Unboxed levels of games compared but 5 games is pretty shoddy. 10-12 on some different engines would be my goal for a review such as this one and if you want to go back and do an in depth review then 15-20 games as a minimum is what you should go for. Reviewers end up coming to different conclusions because they test a wayy lower sample size. On a more positive note the highlights around the different things Linus is talking about are good instead of just looking at at a graph like some reviewers put out.
I honestly saw this coming a while back and unsubscribe, LTT has completely lost touch with consumers at this point. Hes basically just a marketing android at this point.
According to the benchmarks from igorslab, this card is 6.4% faster while wasting up to 65 watts more power when compared to the 3070 fe in wqhd gaming. a waste of sand for a whole bunch of reasons. and please, stop assuming (hoping?) that this heater will be available at msrp.
Yes, the point is its not at all good perf-to-price. Everyone knows it, but maybe it will be good enough for a few thousand people who do manage to buy it at msrp. That's the best case scenario out here now. (just wish most of those buyers turn out to be gamers and not scalpers). Sadly, its world we are in right now.
@@tecnk1984 He may as well advise people with ice-melting heat vision to only use that power for good. Buying at MSRP probably applies to even fewer people.
I‘m really confused about LTT "impressed" by 3070ti. 1. In a gamer-perfect world with all cards readily available at MSRP, since 70ti's price tag sits between the 70 and 80, I would only be impressed if its performance sits right in the middle, or closer to the 3080, which is not true judging by GN's and their own graphs. 2. In the real world right now, except for a tiny amount of 70ti available at msrp, we are looking about price way above $1100 mark. The only difference from before to me, is the fact that by producing the TIE products, Nvidia can now extract more profit per wafer, which tbh is not surprising since it's what a corp do to impress shareholders. Instead of focusing on how the VRAM is overclocked or whether cutting half of them in the 80ti helps the production, I think LTT would help us gamers more by asking the question: Is releasing the TIE products the right way to help ease the current shortage problems for their "valued gaming customers", or just a way to help itself with more profits.
Linus recommends it based on MSRP. He also mentions that it's not really a value when the 'dust settles' but not anytime soon. I believed he has got past the hope of Nvidia making more 3070 or 3080. Nvidia saw the demand and of course they are going to raise the price. No amount of public opinion is going to affect them. It's like getting upset that Apple no longer makes $499 flagship iphone. The time has passed, the demand is there and of course companies are going to take advantage of that. The only way is that consumers dont buy it at that price, speak with your wallet.
Absolutely. Another proof that pascal gen was the last good thing from Nvidia. For direct comparison., the 1070ti was closer in performance to 1080 while being closer in price to 1070. Talk about regression.
Gonna throw a bump in here for the comment algorithm. Come on, Linus. You got the (slightly) "beefed up 3070" right. You pointed out that 8GB of G6x is just as useless as 8GB of G6 (forgive my abbreviations) when bottlenecks are concerned. You pointed out the high energy draw. You pointed out the slower core clocks. And you *still* recommend this card. This card is *not* worth the $100 premium over the vanilla 70 at MSRP, and it won't be worth the scalped price people will be forced to pay when compared to the scalped vanilla 70. You're 0/2 with your recent reviews. I'm sorry.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Got my 3070ti back in August for only 20$ more than the 3070 - They were in stock - nobody was buying them because of the bad rap. It's transformed both my workflow and my gaming.
@Gareth Tucker yeah because him pointing them out directly is him hiding them. yeah he sure is good at hiding those scores that are labled based off of what they compete with and their generation with the current comparison card at the top
@@ncmgamer5398 how do you know that? Linus leans whichever way brings the bigger bucks. LTT doesn't really do in depth testing anymore, and it's because of time.
But this card will also not be available at it's initially suggested msrp so your conclusion doesn't mean anything. But still you are using it here for the 3070Ti and say it's not applicable for the original 3070 (non Ti) and earlier released 3000 series GPU's. You should still analyse products and say how they perform compared to other products at their msrp's. Address availability separately. Yes, the current situation is known, but that doesn't mean a reviewer can just say price doesn't matter and just get anything you can find if you have time money. Because now, in these market conditions manufacturers are seriously raising prices for very very little extra performance, and it sets the stage for scalper prices to become even higher compared to the earlier released products.
Steve called him out on this, but he keeps comparing apples to oranges. Reviews should be written as if the cards are available for MSRP, it's the only sane, objective way to handle this current situation.
Buddy of mine "settled" for a used 2070 Super at $300 back last October because he couldn't get one of the newer cards. Fast forward to now, he's still happily gaming at 1440p while that same card now sells for $800+ used.
I remember a couple of months before the launch of the RTX 3000 series graphics cards a lot of tech youtubers suggested waiting for the new graphics cards to launch rather than buy the RTX 2000 series cards. Well I guess people who bought the 2000 series graphics cards are now having the last laugh.
Actually the people who bought the 20 series cards off people who sold them at a very low price expecting to get their hands on a 30 series card at launch got the last laugh. In fact the people who did that ended up in a GREAT position later in the shortage to buy a 30 series card even at scalper prices and only end up paying MSRP. My brother in law scored a 2080 Super Gaming X Trio for $200, I bought a 2070 Super for $100 the week before the 3080 launched. Facebook Marketplace was full of cards in the sub $300 price range because everyone thought their 20 series card was going to worthless with the launch of the 30 series. About 9 months later I saw 2070 Supers going for over $900. At which point I decided I should buy a RTX 3080 at $1700, sell my 2070 Super for a $900 and walk away with a 3080 for $900 (if you include the $100 purchase price of the 2070 Super). I'm floored more people aren't doing it. My brother in law is one of those people, he's happy with the 2080 Super he bought, but he could sell it and upgrade UNDER MSRP.
Ofc, we didn't knew the shit show all this would become, but yea, watching this video made the confirmation that the 2070 super wasn't a bad purchase at all! I just feel bad for those kids, and not, at the same time.
The warning signs were all there for everyone to see. People just didn't think. There were already problems with obtaining cpu and other components from as early as August, when i built my system, and even before.
I really like the yellow box around the graphs it's clearer and faster to read them. I usually pause the video to see the scores. I didn't have to do it today. Thank you for this addition! Great vid
Gaming cards aren't Desktop productivity cards, that's not new.. The average gamer person buying this card will use it for gaming, which will run most games perfectly fine, hence the mad dash to get the card. Its not all about cranking the settings up to FULL either, most games will do better FPS with less settings! You also need a fast CPU and lots of FAST memory, not just a large amount of memory. Any desktop productivity person will not be looking at Gaming cards to run CAD or Creative Cloud apps if they know what they are doing. This card will do fine for the average gamer/video enthusiast that needs to edit a 15 min of 4K drone footage or to post a youtube video. Remember video editing , as well as other software rending (3D, CAD etc.. ) requires a Fast CPU and fast memory not a gaming card. For the price this card makes sense for someone not spending 4-5 grand on a desktop PC that they barely get any benefit from. People buying the $1500 cards are spending $500 on mb, $1000 in memory, 3 grand in monitors, $1500 for a CPU if you get my drift. Lastly, all these bench marks for any hardware, given the stats are very close, the small differences aren't going to be noticed all that great. In conclusion, non of this PC hardware is worth the money its sold for. Its a money grab for these companies. Supply and Demand working away!
This begs the question then, at a time where there is a GPU shortage, since launch, wouldn't the ethical thing be to infuse the market with the skus already in existence that uses the same chip that no one has been able to get since launch (3070)? Rather than releasing a new, higher prices sku that no one will be able to get at MSRP and will continue to drive grey market prices up for us regular folk?
They should produce ton of 200$ cards with DLSS, 4GB VRAM and performance of 1660 super/1660ti. Miners wont be intrested even without mining limiter, and scalpers shouldnt't buy them all if Nvidia will ship them a lot.
@@Gronbar6 why would they do that? they can't ship more than they are already making, so they focus on selling the most expensive, because it's more profit
Maybe supply is about to improve and they want to keep the fat stacks coming in by introducing TI models and getting rid of the non TI models.....heck they can even add super models and charge more for those because they will add the vram their current cards lack....
@@KhromTX eh, shadow is fine, it stresses the equipment and is a good representation of a solid performance load on the machine. The games matter less then what you are asking the hardware to DO. Not to mention, shadow specifically has all kinds of features enabled on it that a lot of other games just don't have, so it's pushing it in ways other games simply don't.
I appreciated the closing thoughts on this better than the 3080 Ti review. If you can't wait out the storm, get anything you can for MSRP since the second hand market is completely scalped, but still mentioning that in an open availability situation this card may not be the best choice compared to others.
Quick feedback for the editor (Mark, or whoever came up with that), since this is the first time I've seen it in an LTT video: The pointers in the charts, indicating what data-points Linus is talking about, REALLY improve the ability to understand them. Honestly surprised that this wasn't a thing years ago.
@ik ur cool who asked?
Want to add that I greatly appreciate that as well. I know that it takes time in the edit but it really is appreciated and elevates the video's production quality.
I 100% agree with this. It makes watching the video a but easier to digest while listening to see what he is talking about!
+1
I second this!
At this moment I’m willing to have a fist fight for a 2080ti
Wtf
Edited from 1050ti to 2080ti
@@GeraltOfRivia69 maybe I should do it again for the f of it
Same bro.
Correction: You are willing to have fist fight for BUYING a 2080ti
I get the feeling, while some of them are actually desperate for the card to finish their builds or whatever, most are actually there to buy the card to scalp it in that video.
That's a good point. When the video caption goes from "people rushing to buy a GPU at MSRP" to "people rushing to get $1000 free," it becomes much more understandable.
Eh.. that's just being cynical.
Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
chances are most are desperate for the cards themselves.
@@ExarchGaming it’s hard to say. The amount of cards I see on Facebook market place, after there’s any cards released in Edmonton, leads me to believe otherwise.
I mean, id highly disagree. Most, if not all, scalpers are shopping for gpus online because its much easier to either
A. Have a bot do it or
B. Buy cards in bulk
@@ExarchGaming I don't think rushing to buy a GPU to finish/upgrade a build or for scalping in that fashion falls under stupidity. They are desperate and/or greedy.
Linus: People will literally fight over this.
Also Linus: **Has 5**
Linus must’ve been doing a lot of fighting for those
Underrated :(
Linus looks pretty buff now... 💪I'd believe it
I legit laughed out loud when it cut from the footage of the "micro center rush" to Linus looking like a super villan with his collection of rare RTX cards lmao 🤣
Or he has/makes enough money to buy a gpu no matter the price gouging
@Viztiz I'm not talking about the ones he reviews. I'm speaking generally. Linus is a well known and supported tech youtuber and has his own store and brand with multiple affiliates.
If he REALLY wanted a personal GPU. I'm sure paying the inflated prices is no skin off his back. You're not gonna see Linus chilling in line at some GPU drop in best buy unless its for clout or a legitimate reason. of course he's not going to fight over it, because he likely can afford either choice without a second thought. That's not to say he supports scalper but we're all human.
Correction: The 3070 Ti uses GDDR6X, not GDDR6 and 3080 is 10GB, not 12. The chart was messed up :(
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I acknowledge that we did not use the Skype application to talk to eachother through means of wireless connection, but, I think that we did not do this does not particularly matter.
I hope that the rest of your night continues well, I shall be with you again tommorow.
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Correction: 3080 non-Ti has 10GB GDDR6X, not 12GB.
I got a 2080 super before corona hit and was a little bummed because the 30 series cards came out shortly after. Now im just glad i have a gpu lmfao.
Same here with a 2070ti. Not so bad.
Bruh corona hit a few months before 30 series came out. Your math is off.
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Yeah I got a 2070 super then the linus video came out a day later saying it's obsolete after the 3000 series was announced. I'm feeling pretty happy with my purchase now lol.
@@LuxTheSlav lol your right lmao i don’t remember exactly, was a decent time ago
This is honestly not surprising whatsoever, GPU's make people go crazy.
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Hey verified person BTW future Rog rig reboot winner here
@@BiigManGage hi
@@BiigManGage hello
@@BiigManGage hi
The only thing i learned from these graphs, is that my 2070S that i got last march is more than fine for a long time.
Care to list your specs? Im quite curious
I'm stuck with a 590 :(
I could've bought one on eBay for £400 last September but unfortunately I decided to wait out for an ampere
@@richr0b375 unfortunate
Lol I looked at the graphs and thought, aw man my 2070s doesn't look so good anymore compared to these
loving the new "glowing" rectangles on the benchmark slides! very easy to follow what actually i should look out for during the commentary. thanks!
Seriously I know right
While tgey are helpful,i dont understand the order of the graphic cards. They should be rather sorted according to performanxe instead of pushing 3070 ti to the top
@@stonecoldxi9138 well i think that it is pushed to the top because it the card in focus today, so it does make it somewhat easier to locate
@@stonecoldxi9138 Yeah, they should pick one thing or the other. Either put the subject card at the top so it's easy to find or put them in order of performance and highlight the subject of the video. I'd prefer the latter.
@@AryanGupta-gv3we i understand that, but having the yellow rectangles makes putting 3070 at the top useless. A graph with sorted bars is much easier to read and also pleasant to look at
It's like the Seagull scene from Nemo they're saying "mine, mine, mine"
No they aren’t
more like brain dead zombies
Accurate 🤣
*MINE*
That's what I thought
80% of those people are just trying to get it to flip and make 3x the amount
That's the smart play when buying this shitty card that costs more than a 6800 at MSRP whilst being slower at rasterization.
My local stores pre-flip for everyone.
Unlikely, I happened to get a GPU at a micro center in the last week (no I wasn't in that crowd) and before they gave it it me they made it very clear I can't by a second one from any of there locations in within an extended time frame due to the shortage. And they scanned my license. If someone is flipping it I hope they dont end up needed another card for themselves within a year or longer depending how demand changes.
i dont think so. they have lhr(atleast in finland)
@@liquid32ra how good is the 3080 at rasterization compared to other cards?
"Shortage of gpus has gotten so dire..."
Me: Looking at those 5 gpus casually sitting there on his desk.
Pretty much every promoter making videos on the silicon gpu/shortage now and during the price hikes the 20 series.
Low key super villan flex lol
These gpus are props as linus said in one of their videos
@@AbsoluteUnit1337 he also gets pre production test models that NVidia and AMD sends out to reviewers like Linus and Jay
If anyone at LMG looks at this for feedback, tell the design guys I love the new square indicators that pop up highlighting the numbers Linus is comparing.
And if they look down here, tell them that I love it too
They dont have to be as big as they were, but a quick indication of where to look was great!
The squares were way too big and the flashing was distracting from the other numbers. Yes it may be the point to draw attention but I found it distracting when trying to look at the numbers overall. A smaller indicator like a different colored bar on the graph or a non-flashing square would be better.
whenever you're sad just remember people who sold their rtx 2080 ti for 500 $
I sold mine for $1050 AUD but I still had my 980 Ti in storage.
The 2080 Ti was bottlenecked anyway by my CPU.
@tomashtu no they cant
Still kicking myself for not picking up a 2070 on FB for $225 a year ago when everyone was dumping them.
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I sold my 1070 GTX for 500
I super appreciate you highlighting the cards on the graphs when you're talking about them, makes it much easier for me to read. Thank you!
@ik ur cool self promoting
3080 non-Ti ended up being the card that actually makes more sense to buy from a cost to performance point of view, if you can get one ofc. Also, the first ones didn't have LHR limitations so that factors in for future second hand market value.
3060 ti?
Honestly I got a 3080 on impulse, and I regret not getting a 3060 ti instead. Don’t get me wrong the card is insane, but I only have a 1440p monitor and I could have gotten the strix 3060 ti and oc’d the snot out of it. It’s ok tho
@@braxtongarner3843 honestly the 10GB will make that 3080 last longer, even at 1440p.
Also as games advance RT further the extra RT Cores will help too.
Also the Memory bandwidth and more cores overall will help when RTX-IO comes into play for future games.
And considering the 3080 can do 8K using Ultra Performance DLSS, you'd be fine resolution wise for a while I feel.
The ROI on the 3080 is just the outright best of the Seires if you got one at MSRP as it would last the longest before being notably slower than newer cards, while not being the ludicrous 1300-1500$ cards the 3080Ti and 3090 are MSRP wise.
And the 3060Ti is a great card... But it will become obsoleted by the 8GB of memory sooner than it's GPU Cores will become obsolete if newer games are to go by
@@Alovon then get Rx 6800 xt instead. Sure it has no rtx but it’s not even worth it for the fps it takes. I agree dlss is better then fsr but it’s very close and it’s 50 bucks cheaper and has 6gb more vram although slightly slower.
3060 doesn't only come with 8gb varied
Thank you so much for adding those pulsing indicators! They make it so much easier to keep up with which items are being talked about without having to constantly pause or jump back in time!
Bit trip aesthetic too.
Def agree, always figured I was asking for it by watching on 2x speed but this made it really easy to follow
at this point nvidia is just playing release the same gpu with subtle tweaks to make more money outta the shortage.
You speak as if "Ti versions" were something created because of the shortage
@@Felipemelazzi Right?
Ah...the apple way.
@@Felipemelazzi No, he's acting like TI versions used to mean an appreciable performance boost, as opposed to just a price bump.
@@InternetSupervillain remember when to used to be at least 20-30% stronger than base models?
These people live in fairy tail because Linus said it's nice so it must be nice
my 970 has never felt more valuable and my 2080 feels like a gift from the gods
TRUE
@@happyman6701 tell me about it, bought a 2060 when it launched, and now it costs twice as much on amazon.
Its funny how old GPUs even have a price hike, my 1050 is now 600$ XD
Stonks go BRRRR
Still with 1080 here and I guess I will be using it till at least next bio-weapon attack from China
I've been reading bedtimes stories to my 2080ti and talking to it when it feels down.
By the time this shortage ends a new generation of graphics cards will already be out
True.
“Out”
Won't be much longer if crypto continues to tank the way it has the past month.
And I can't wait for the massive drop in prices of used cards
Yep, I've written off this generation already.
"Sorry Dr. Cutress divide it by 4" I can't stop laughing tech tech potato great channel btw
I was searching for this comment :))
Then why still incorrectly display memory speed. Correct units are not just for Dr. Cutress.
Or at least the lesser evil by not display the unit.
@@ramanmono Showing 7000 with no unit would look a bit odd. They could have showed it as 7000 "MHz", that is, quoted the MHz to show it's not REALLY MHz. People would both understand it, as it's familiar, and also see that it's not exactly that.
@@Winnetou17 7000 is still incorrect number. It makes an assumption GDDR6 is on DDR mode and not QDR. QDR clock speed would 3500(14/4=3.5). So proper way is to use command clock(1750) just like AMD and most monitoring applications do or use full datarate(14Gbps). These two values are consistent over different products.
Thank you editor! 😊
The blinking indicator really helps me to find what linus is talking about. Finally!
These blinking lights suck.
@@chrisstone1710 i rather just some kind of highlighting. the blinking gest annoying soon
The fact they needed one to make their own charts legible is the bigger problem here
I really like the light marker. Makes it easier to follow the graphs
When I see those people running for a GPU, this is the exact moment I'm telling myself : « this shit is really goin too far »
Highlighting important parts of the performance graphs is a great idea. Actually really helps to keep up with the explanations. I'd love to see that in future reviews.
You should also get the negative side. This card makes no sense to fall right in between the 3070 and 3080 when it comes to pricing, as it does not offer a middle ground performance wise. Nvidia is making serious botched decisions with the launch of the 3000 family.
Hey bro get an RX 560 on AliExpress with the refund money
i agree with you 👍
If these were actually available this card would make no sense, for just $100 more you get a 3080. It should only be 10% slower than a 3080 at this price.
But that's the point. These cards won't be Available at all. You might get lucky and find an AIB card at $150+ more (if you camp out at microcenter) and that's it.
I mean, if these cards came out in a normal market the 3070 ti would be like 575$ and the 3080 ti would be about 1000$, they have just put a markup on both because they can. If these cards released at their normal prices people would would be just fine with them, but the fact that they are releasing new cards in a market with no cards and for more money than they are realistically worth put a sour taste in most people's mouth.
Exactly, 3070ti performs barely better than the 3070 and much worse comparatively than the 3080, so may as well either spend $100 less to get something almost as good, or $100 more to get something much better (assuming availability).
@@krissman123 1) no, nvidia literally never sells GPUs at $400 or higher at anything below a $100 dollar price increase of the lower model GPU, thats not a thing. And it was supposed to to compete directly with the $580 6800. And no, nobody would be fine with a $575 3070 ti thats barely faster than a 3070 and significanly slower than a 6800 for the same price. Also there is nobody on the fucking planet that would think $25 dollars cheaper for a $600 gpu is a noticeable deal, thats literally not a thing. Maybe if it was $50 cheaper some people might be like “eh fuck it $50 dollars off sweet” but $25 off a high end GPU? Are you outside your damn mind? Thats barely a difference. Im not even gonna get into the robbery thats the 3080 ti. That card is barely faster than a 3080 why asking for nearly double the price. But even if it was $1000 thats still like 35 percent more money for like what? 10 percent more performance? Im not gonna do the match on that but you get my point. Realistically the card should be no more $900, im the first to say people who called the 3090 a dumb card but jizz buckets over the 6900XT are shills and dumb as hell, my stance wouldnt change if its the 3080 ti or even 3090 at $1000
As if you could get a 3080 in the first place.
The footage of everyone running reminded me of the many clips of zombie movies....
@people who make zombie movies: get the footage and use it in your movie
When I went from a 1070 to a 2080, I was worried I was jumping the gun on upgrading, given the current situation, I am very happy I switched
I will box scalpers to get a RTX3080ti. Heck put me in the Thunder Dome to get a chance to buy at full price.
Oh there is a tick next to his name lemme like
I would do that for a 2070 super
DUDE!
The FIRST rule about GPU Fight Club?!
Only if Tina Turner is in the dome too.
I don't think war thunder skill translate to fights to the death ;) although if they do I'm in aswel
20% more cost for ~8% more performance is a good deal at LTT.
I think they're still comparing it to the last gen but this is def for more money on nvidia's end especially those who aren't as tech savy and can buy whatever they can get their hands on.
In all fairness, the base 3070 set the bar at a ridiculously good deal so the 3070 ti, while not as good, is still a pretty good deal
If something's a worse deal than something that already exists it's simply a bad deal, no matter how good the thing it's competing with is. Note he said that it would be a good deal without the shortage, so stock and scalper issues don't come into it.
Yet virtually all reviewers have orgasms testing a 5950x that nets less than 8% FPS as a 5800x for TWICE the price. Now is NOT the time to be picky for gpu's...
No brainer. Just buy it.
Linus: This is a great deal!
Everyone else: Waist of sand.
You really need to look up the word "waist".
@@zm5668: maybe you should watch it again since you obviously didn't get it... Btw. who watches reviews after 2 years and expects them to be relevant?
@@zm5668 The overwhelming majority of people watching this review will do so in the current retail climate.
And in two years from now this video will be out of date with missing and bad information (due to new competitor products and bios changes, etc) regardless of any pricing situation.
@@zm5668 absolutely nobody will care about this video in 2 years. Heck, nobody will care next week. That's how UA-cam works.
@@aflac82 I thought it would be more funny if I spelled it incorrectly 🤷♂️
Jk I actually just really suck at spelling
I am so glad I got my 2070 Super. I can easily keep that GPU around until the 5000 series comes out.
Nope. You wish buddy. Most 2070s users are planning on switching soon lmao.
dont upgrade 2070 super its basically a rtx 3060
@@Willy_Wanka because their dumb and like burning money
RTX 2070 super is still very capable for gaming for 1080P and can do 1440p alright as it basically has the power of a 1080ti or RTX 3060
@@IdeasAreBulletproof basically a gtx 1090
At this point I'm skipping the whole generation.
Same. I wouldn't turn this down if it fell in my lap but I ain't wasting any time chasing after this junk for these prices.
Same, saved enough money for the 3080 but tbh why even bother. Sticking with my 1080 ti and going to upgrade the next gen.
Kinda bummed I finalized my build with 2x 1070s right before COVID, but they're at least enough to get me nice framerates on the kinds of games I like. For any games planned to have mass appeal, devs should really consider investing more in optimization infrastructure for the next little while.
Just to have the next generation have the same exact problem as we do now. And this generations cards will still be insanely scalped
I'm still waiting for a low profile 3050. At least I won't have to fight with so many people.
Looking forward to next WAN show to se how Linus explain this one.
explain what? look at the high end watch industry its the same, supply and demand dictate the market. MSRP is set by the manufacture all the brands you love don't manufacture these cards.
They don't care about manufacturing price its all about supply and demand. If you have problem with the price rise through a retail store like Microcentre go and complain to them and others including Asus, Msi, Gigabyte etc. Thats where the retail price inflation is coming from.
@@csunstudent148 your wrong as your thoughts are to against the "unfairness" that you are unable to look at the situation for what it currently is without bias.
@@And0199 nobody can help you if you don't understand where is a problem with this video and this card. Just press like up there under a video and be a happy little sheep.
He said it at the end:
Current market = good deal
If everything was at MSRP and there was no shortage = very bad launch
Plus at the start of the video, I think that was on purpose, to me it looks like it's scripted to look half-hearted and desperate when he talks about what a good deal it is, like anyone trying to buy a GPU is.
@@gorjy9610 Nice attempt at bullying, I wonder if you can do it with people face to face. Again it's the internet so we can just wonder 😂😂😂😂😂
Other UA-camrs: “It’s a waste of Sand”
*It hurts to hear it’s made of sand...*
higher iq people prefer to say "waste of small rocks"
Just put a sandbag in your pc! Shortages solved!
Some say, minerals are good for you.
These are not.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 actually silica is used to promote hair and nail streagnth
@@RoraighPrice silicone dioxide*
at this point, watching tech videos make me sad ;-;
Another pointless launch, 8% faster than a 3070, at a 20% increase, which you could make up by just overclocking a 3070 if you could find one.
Linus ignores this when he calls 3070 Ti "a bargain"...
That's actually a sneaky good point. Nowadays reviewers like LTT tend to dismiss graphics OCing, and while the gains aren't as great as they once were, they are enough to jump your 3070 into a stock 3070 TI.... congrats! you just saved 100 virtual bucks.
@@JeKramxel you could overclock a 3070ti too, tho...
@@AyoKeito sure, but while the 3070 OC is enough to get you to a 3070 TI performance level, the OC on the 3070 TI will still leave you 15/20% short of a 3080. Just enough to fit a 3070 super, or something.
@@JeKramxel 100% agree, and thank you for your precious reply 👍
Linus: "Look at these charts showing how underwhelming and negligible these performance differences are for the price."
Also Linus: "Buy this card immediately!"
Yeah, Linus’s reviews have become so dumb in this GPU shortage. Use your brains, guys. Buying at higher prices isn’t the answer.
he is a shill, why ppl arr still watching him....?
@skOsH doesn't add that much at best you might find 10% in a really heavy v ram usage but normal gaming gamers nexus mostly saw about 7% vs the normal 3070
What are you guys even going on about? The 3070Ti is a bad deal in the case of perf-to-price def, no questioning it. If you find both the 3070 and the 3070Ti at MSRP on shelves anywhere, take the 3070 and run (after u pay for it). But if the 3070Ti is the only one sitting at msrp on shelves, it is worth it, if you want a gpu. That's the only case it is worth it in, and prob what Linus is suggesting as well. We are seeing people literally buying cards for over a $1000 for 2000 and 3000 series cards not after waiting for months. Not everyone thinks about their wallet first, whether they can or cannot afford it.
@skOsH the biggest issue with amd cards this gen is aib mark up is insane so even if you manage to get one they are already expensive most 6900xt cards are near or north of 2k usd at there retail price
The footnote for Dr.Cutress made me lol at 2:34
were they making a correction to their own info, or claiming dr cutress was wrong?
@@ExarchGaming neither. They were making a pun out of a section from the WAN show
Felt more like snark to me after linus' first response to being corrected was essentially an eyeroll and jerkoff motion
2022.. just bought a 3070ti for 550$... time has been good to gpu prices :)
I will never understand the way LTT presents their graphs. GN's graphs have a lot more info, yet are somehow more readable.
Yeah, they are placing 3070 Ti on the top, and this way you cannot tell easily the differences between the other cards or where this card stacks up on the chart. I begin to lose faith on LTT. Not to mention that half of his videos now are sponsored ads.
I always had to pause to read them lol, thought it was only me
@@ElectronicPleasure doesn’t explain the out of order cards. Rtx 2080 is on the bottom. They should do nvidia and amd card in their respective order.
Check out Hardware Unboxed, their GPU graphs are the easiest to read (IMHO) and they put immense effort into the testing process. I'd say their reviews are a nice middle ground between LTT's "mainstream" style and GN's technical & critical style.
@@ElectronicPleasure Doesn't explain unreadable graphs
"those cards, at those prices, don't actually exist". But, uhh.... neither does this one.
Linus is putting a target on his head with that 3000 series display.
@ik ur cool why the fuck would you post that here?
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@@fSoOoOl0070 yes feel the power of the dark side
@@FortniteNewsUA-cam i do not.
@ik ur cool spamming
Where I live, retailers have doubled the prices of 3070/3080, same goes for AMD's counterpart.
So yeah, despite what reviewers may say about the 3070/3080 Ti pricing, I'd kill to buy those graphic card at MSRP.
I’m too broke, looks like another day of shopping on Wish
lmao
Did you ever wonder what music x2Twins, T5G, Fresh, or SypherPK uses? I made a video on it!
@@FortniteNewsUA-cam No, I've literally never heard of those people.
@@nicoper lmao, this guy set up his bot on vids that aren’t fn related, like why?
does the GPU wear latex and have a mouth slot? not WISH if thats the case
the benchmark highlights are SO useful, please continue doing it
3:58 nice. This highlighting really helps.
I made a comment on a linus tech tips video today at this time while sitting on a couch
The yellow boxes to highlight which bench marks you are currently referencing are AWESOME!
Often I'm appreciative of the layout you guys have, but find myself pausing to take time to analyse the results. Having the 3070 and 3070ti results marked made the viewing experience a joy. Thanks I've been wanting this for a while!
Totally agreed, usually its not necessary because the ones you care about are right next to each other, but in this case, with them seperated by several other cards, the boxes are a great way to help the eyes keep track of which bars are significant.
I knew this would happen. I called all of this back when the marketing for the 30 series dropped. I told all my friends "Okay, 20 series are going to be listed on Kijiji for absolutely nothing because everyone will want the 30 series and once they can't get it, the 20 series are going to increase in price."
I picked up 4 2080's for an average of $450 CAD the week before the GPUs actually dropped.
Smooth move x lax
You're lucky to find one for so cheap here in Canada.
Congrats
lol Kijiji. You in Alberta?
Wow... that is insane. As much as I'd love to drive 4 hours to the nearest micro-center I would hate to get trampled in those crowds. I'm SOO Glad that I waited till August 12th 2022 to purchase Through Amazon as I got one of only a few EVGA 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra's (best o' best) for $1099! The price went back up to 1750 now sitting at 1499 3 weeks later. Crazy market. hOPE everyone gets what they need/want and doesnt get absolutely rolled on prices.
Loving the blinking yellow squares on the GPU graphs, I always have to pause for some time to understand these while you're talking over them! So much easier to have a visual cue!
Man, I'm so glad I got my 3070 (non Ti) when I did. Looking at that clip of people stampeding to the PC shop raised my blood pressure quite considerably.
is ti better than non ti? i got a ti
@@oldplagu3 I think that the Ti version is better.
@@oldplagu3 The 3070 Ti is better, but the difference is not nearly as drastic as the 3060 vs 3060 Ti.
@@Odinsday thxs
For Linus because there are scalpers the price is good as long as it lower then the scalping prices. My dude that makes no sense and only fuels the scalpers
1:56 Framebuffer for 3070ti should be 8 GB GDDR6X and 3080 should be 10 GB
*VRAM. Framebuffer is something completely different
@@shinyhappyrem8728 False. They’re synonymous when referring to GPUs, LTT made a mistake.
@@StealthGhost: Framebuffer is the tiny part of VRAM that holds the pixel data that will be sent to the monitor during the next screen refresh, or it's an offscreen buffer whose picture will be used for further calculations. That's dozens or perhaps hundreds of megabytes at most. The majority of VRAM contains textures and geometry data.
@@shinyhappyrem8728 If that we’re true, LTT would be even more incorrect so either way it’s wrong.
1:47
"Enough with the timeline crap, Abed!"
This comment is streets ahead
Please don't Britta it
I'm confused can someone explain please?
Same, i don't understand the reference. Is it a nod to the Loki tv serie ?
@@kendrick7379 “the worst timeline” is from an episode in the TV show community, the other comments reference quotes from the show
Just got the Asus Strix 3070 ti oc for £580, the 3080 is still so expensive here in the UK plus it's a big jump from my 1060 6gb so I'm very pleased.
Now I just need a new monitor as my acer gn246hl only has dvi connection which obviously isn't compatible with 3070 ti :(
Same bro
yeah everyone in US crying that the mrsp is already too high while in uk and europe everything is 300+ more expensive minimum LOL
Yeah I opted for the 3070 because the 3080 is still twice as much.
Title: *People Will Literally Fight Over This*
Linus' table: *Holds 5 GPU's*
Canadian Guy: *Looks through window*
Also Canadian Guy: *Breaks window and fights Linus for the GPU's*
_Linus drops the dude..._
Haha 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Would make a more interesting you-tube video from Linus as of late............
@@dhyanprithwin2752 woah
linus catch this fade tips
pro tip: people will only fight for a card when its actually available to buy
GH J
Nah, not true... I'll fight for next week's card.
People will fight for a card because they're idiots. It's a graphics card, not a map to Shangrila.
@ 3:27 You have the 3080 listed as 12GB of vRAM instead of 10GB
I just got an msi card from microcenter in brentwood MO. They were full of stock. 3090s 3080tis and 3070tis. I went at 8pm the employees there were as suprised as i was that their stock lasted that long. Its a beast. Runs every game I own at max settings. Doom eternal 2k ultra nightmare graphics plus ray tracing dlss-quality runs smoother than butter. The only game that struggles is minecraft java with BSL shaders at max on an old world full of stuff and thats a cpu issue lol
GN Steve crushed it today. Linus….. not so much
I'll save this video to watch later in two years when they're available and when I can afford it.
That's the point of this video. Everybody else talks about the shortage without thinking that said shortage is temporal but the video is permanent. In two years which videos are going to be more useful: the ones whinning about the shortage or the ones that really compare graphics cards?
@@raminatox the ones that come out in late 2022 and mid 2023 that directly compare current gpus to the future gpus? You act like the 4000 series reviews won't be compared to the 3000 series and those reviews will actually have timely information instead of referring to an old outdated video.
@@raminatox When someone tries to sound smart
@@joemarais7683 @AJ Sweeney I bet you are a couple of rich brats who can run an buy every new shinny toy every year. But some of us can't do that. We buy used stuff and rely on old videos to do that.
@@raminatox Except what Joe said makes perfect sense. If he is a rich brat then so are you because if you actually read what he said you would have noticed he said these exact same benchmarks will be in 4000 series reviews. Nothing about buying new or used cards. Sound like a whinny brat
Dang, i saw that last section and thought it would be a Verified Actual Gamer drop
I’m sad I was too late to all the last ones :(
The ASUS TUF Gaming OC Edition RTX 3070 Ti was reduced from $950 to $700 at my local Micro Center this week. That's $100 above the $600 MSRP of the Founder's Edition, but a not a bad deal at this point in time. Many decent triple-fan 3060 Ti LHR cards still go for as much as $600 while the 3080 LHR cards go for $1250 and as much as $1600 for the premium partner boards. If you don't mind going with AMD, you can buy a PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT or reference card for $1200 or the Red Devil Ultimate for $200 more.
Me: Watches review
*immediately tries to find Radeon 6800*
AMD direct on Thursday mornings
@@emwungarand Is that when they drop on their store front? I've had the opportunity to install 2 6800s with the reference design and wow.. they run cool, they run quiet. Also installed a Nitro 6800 and while it was very comparable it's also a fair bit bigger. I'd heard AMD was discontinuing sales of their reference card. Glad their not if that's the case... it's a good design. Both Amd and Nv did well on their reference designs this time out.
@@emwungarand what time?
Supposedly there is going to be a Best Buy drop tomorrow at 7am PDT
Oh boy am I glad that my 1070 still serves me well for almost everything I do...
Me too. Just wish gpu’s would be back to somewhat “normal” by the time the new BF2042 drops
oh yea I have a gtx 970 and it sill plays EVERY current game 1080p high 60+ fps!
gtx 1060 here, holy fuck my baby has been serving me for so many years and I hope it will for another 2 to 3 years. Best buy ever.
@@EvolKnives The saddest thing is, it will not.....It will not get better at all....Tbh I lost all hope for the new GPUs....Its just sad and disappointing really....
The truth is the 1070 still runs everything absolutely beautifully and spending 2 grand on a card doesn't actually improve the experience if you like games, not just graphics.
3:25 where are you getting these specs from?? The 3070 ti has GDDR6X and the 3080 has 10GB of VRAM.
yup, what a simple thing to screw up
linus staffs are rushed.. they have to produce 18 videos a week
He'll explain it during a 1 and a half hour segment on this weeks WAN show. I'm sure we are wrong.
@@g_pazzini Not an excuse for screwing up important information like that.
@@Zardoz3974 Glad someone else noticed that. He does it after every controversial video. Condescendingly tries to explain to us why we are wrong and he is right every WAN show.
I wont lie the RTX 3070 TI is underrated people are always saying that the card is bad when actually its a pretty decent card just because its closer to the RTX 3070 does'nt mean you have to shame the living shit out of it.
I'm about to buy a 3070 ti what you say am I on the right track?
@@dojopalace Yeah i've been using it for the past 9 months and I love it 10/10 card you could try getting a 3080 tho. its up to you.
They're obviously getting a huge kick out of screwing with ppl. I'll just keep sitting on my 1080Ti, might transition to a 20 or 30 series by the time the 50 (or 10 again?) series comes out
i still using an AMD R9 390 8gb with an I5-4670k... wanted to upgrade but i will wait...
Also on 1080ti and honestly see no reason to upgrade gaming wise. Still a strong card for modern games on my 1440p UW. Sure you don't get all the new bells and whistles but I think RTX still needs another gen or two to mature. That's before considering how stupid prices are right now.
Probs upgrade with 40 series assuming supply isn't an issue...
1080ti should keep you very happy at 1080p ultra settings for a long time while these dudes punch each other in the microcenter parking lot.
yeah I'm keeping my 1080ti for at least 10 years, I got a top end system (excl. 1080ti) in 2012 and only planning on getting more RAM now, but I've always wanted more RAM
@@Walkman100 sticking with 16gb for me and waiting until the storm is over...
Lienus: "I don't know where he got that from?"
GN Steve: "INDEPENDENT VERIFIABLE DATA"
Credits Mort Bringsli
Nvidia remind me of that bartender who falls back into the shadows when a bar fight breaks out, quietly polishing a wine glass with a white cloth.
I totally just visualized that. For some reason, it was a western setting with cowboys. And NVidia bartender had a thin moustache, and couldn't be less bothered.
Woah, showing in the graphs what you're talking about is actually the best thing to happen to the edits. Thanks!
-"You might think it was a black friday shopping rush"
I Actually thought it was a zombie apocalypse 😬😬😬
Zombies they are if they want a 3070 for 100 bucks more than the original so badly.
I stayed outside of micro center in Cambridge Mass for 19 hours. Everyone was respectful and we had a list that people signed in for positions and we did checks every few hours to make sure spot were correct. I would say about 200 people total by store opening. I was 12th in line and finally got the 3070ti. It was the first time I tried for a GPU in person because I was tired of failing online for so long. It was fun and the store we were at the employees hated the releases but had fun and conversed with a lot of us. Can’t wait to finish this build this weekend.
same for me, except westbury microcenter instead. 20 hours, 2nd in line, and on nov 18th, launch day of 6800xt. there was only two 6800xts in stock. imagine the dumb look on my face when i finally got voucher. never felt so happy to pay msrp on a new gpu.
I never knew this was a big deal until now but I truly appreciate the way you guys do the graphs, where you kept every card in the same order between slides as oppose to just doing it in descending order based on performance so the cards are jumping all over the place and makes it harder for me to try and see the difference between the only two or three cards I'm trying to compare because the three seconds between slides is enough time to compare anything or expecting me to pause the video every three seconds like every other youtuber does.
2:17 according to nvidia, 3070Ti has GDDR6x mems
Beat me to it, pretty important detail
Linus is losing his marbles.
like he didnt mention
Same with the 3080 having 12GBs when it actually only has 10GBs
GN's new video calls you out on your estimate of the card value, it would be interesting to see you guys have a discussion about it...
A live discussion not snail mail back and forth 5 mins at the end of every video. Get him on as a guest on WAN show
@@radleychin6565 Steve literally called Linus on the Wan show reguarding this, watch the stream back
@@Bmx2live2008 Not regarding this, just regarding the fact that GN Steve doesn't believe that Linus is on Nvidia's payroll.
@@TankSenior well. Originally it was because a fake GN Steve account was in the stream comments making statements that got called out live. And real Steve wanted to both clarify it wasn't his statement and state that Linus isn't on anyone's payroll
He proved that MSRP and resale price increases correlate but didn’t compare that to how resale price and performance correlate so didn’t actually prove anything.
These 30 series TI reviews have really shaken my faith in LTT's review system.
Same to bge fair I was concerned about it before. They should look at a much wider selection of games and much more of them. I don't expect Hardware Unboxed levels of games compared but 5 games is pretty shoddy. 10-12 on some different engines would be my goal for a review such as this one and if you want to go back and do an in depth review then 15-20 games as a minimum is what you should go for. Reviewers end up coming to different conclusions because they test a wayy lower sample size. On a more positive note the highlights around the different things Linus is talking about are good instead of just looking at at a graph like some reviewers put out.
I honestly saw this coming a while back and unsubscribe, LTT has completely lost touch with consumers at this point. Hes basically just a marketing android at this point.
According to the benchmarks from igorslab, this card is 6.4% faster while wasting up to 65 watts more power when compared to the 3070 fe in wqhd gaming. a waste of sand for a whole bunch of reasons.
and please, stop assuming (hoping?) that this heater will be available at msrp.
Yes, the point is its not at all good perf-to-price. Everyone knows it, but maybe it will be good enough for a few thousand people who do manage to buy it at msrp. That's the best case scenario out here now. (just wish most of those buyers turn out to be gamers and not scalpers). Sadly, its world we are in right now.
he didn’t say it will be available at msrp. he said buy it if you can get one at msrp.
@@tecnk1984 He may as well advise people with ice-melting heat vision to only use that power for good. Buying at MSRP probably applies to even fewer people.
Thank you for highlighting the numbers you're talking about in the performance graphs. It's so much easier to follow that way.
what up
@@nostlie nothin much. you?
I‘m really confused about LTT "impressed" by 3070ti.
1. In a gamer-perfect world with all cards readily available at MSRP, since 70ti's price tag sits between the 70 and 80, I would only be impressed if its performance sits right in the middle, or closer to the 3080, which is not true judging by GN's and their own graphs.
2. In the real world right now, except for a tiny amount of 70ti available at msrp, we are looking about price way above $1100 mark. The only difference from before to me, is the fact that by producing the TIE products, Nvidia can now extract more profit per wafer, which tbh is not surprising since it's what a corp do to impress shareholders. Instead of focusing on how the VRAM is overclocked or whether cutting half of them in the 80ti helps the production, I think LTT would help us gamers more by asking the question: Is releasing the TIE products the right way to help ease the current shortage problems for their "valued gaming customers", or just a way to help itself with more profits.
Exactly.
GeForce GTX 1070 Ti November 2, 2017 $449
GeForce GTX 1080 May 27, 2016 $599
Linus recommends it based on MSRP. He also mentions that it's not really a value when the 'dust settles' but not anytime soon. I believed he has got past the hope of Nvidia making more 3070 or 3080. Nvidia saw the demand and of course they are going to raise the price. No amount of public opinion is going to affect them.
It's like getting upset that Apple no longer makes $499 flagship iphone. The time has passed, the demand is there and of course companies are going to take advantage of that. The only way is that consumers dont buy it at that price, speak with your wallet.
Absolutely. Another proof that pascal gen was the last good thing from Nvidia. For direct comparison., the 1070ti was closer in performance to 1080 while being closer in price to 1070. Talk about regression.
Gonna throw a bump in here for the comment algorithm.
Come on, Linus. You got the (slightly) "beefed up 3070" right. You pointed out that 8GB of G6x is just as useless as 8GB of G6 (forgive my abbreviations) when bottlenecks are concerned. You pointed out the high energy draw. You pointed out the slower core clocks. And you *still* recommend this card.
This card is *not* worth the $100 premium over the vanilla 70 at MSRP, and it won't be worth the scalped price people will be forced to pay when compared to the scalped vanilla 70.
You're 0/2 with your recent reviews. I'm sorry.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Got my 3070ti back in August for only 20$ more than the 3070 - They were in stock - nobody was buying them because of the bad rap. It's transformed both my workflow and my gaming.
Just bought a second hand Rtx 3070 for 375 Euros and it has 0 issues
Please order the cards by their performance. This would make your charts a lot more readable and you would not need to introduce the new markers.
@Gareth Tucker holy fucking shit he isn't a nvidea shill.
@Gareth Tucker yeah because him pointing them out directly is him hiding them. yeah he sure is good at hiding those scores that are labled based off of what they compete with and their generation with the current comparison card at the top
@@ncmgamer5398 how do you know that? Linus leans whichever way brings the bigger bucks.
LTT doesn't really do in depth testing anymore, and it's because of time.
And they even have to do 17 vids a week, so much pressure
The sad thing is expect most of those people will just put them on eBay when they get home.
But this card will also not be available at it's initially suggested msrp so your conclusion doesn't mean anything. But still you are using it here for the 3070Ti and say it's not applicable for the original 3070 (non Ti) and earlier released 3000 series GPU's.
You should still analyse products and say how they perform compared to other products at their msrp's. Address availability separately.
Yes, the current situation is known, but that doesn't mean a reviewer can just say price doesn't matter and just get anything you can find if you have time money.
Because now, in these market conditions manufacturers are seriously raising prices for very very little extra performance, and it sets the stage for scalper prices to become even higher compared to the earlier released products.
Steve called him out on this, but he keeps comparing apples to oranges.
Reviews should be written as if the cards are available for MSRP, it's the only sane, objective way to handle this current situation.
I was dying when you said "the competitively priced '3080ti'."
Its only competitive with the ridiculous pricing of the 3090 lol so its somewhat true
I feel really lucky to have gotten my 5700xt at 399. This is crazy.
Same!!
Buddy of mine "settled" for a used 2070 Super at $300 back last October because he couldn't get one of the newer cards. Fast forward to now, he's still happily gaming at 1440p while that same card now sells for $800+ used.
Just sold my 5700xt for $950 and bought a used 6800 for $1,050 on eBay! Lets gooooo
Over a year ago i sold my 1070 for 200, upgraded to an rtx 2080 for $600.
Same I remember thinking 400 was pricey lol now its like 1k+
I remember a couple of months before the launch of the RTX 3000 series graphics cards a lot of tech youtubers suggested waiting for the new graphics cards to launch rather than buy the RTX 2000 series cards. Well I guess people who bought the 2000 series graphics cards are now having the last laugh.
nobody really expected the shortage so it was a great assumption to have at the time, of course the shortage happened and we all got fucked anyways
Actually the people who bought the 20 series cards off people who sold them at a very low price expecting to get their hands on a 30 series card at launch got the last laugh. In fact the people who did that ended up in a GREAT position later in the shortage to buy a 30 series card even at scalper prices and only end up paying MSRP.
My brother in law scored a 2080 Super Gaming X Trio for $200, I bought a 2070 Super for $100 the week before the 3080 launched. Facebook Marketplace was full of cards in the sub $300 price range because everyone thought their 20 series card was going to worthless with the launch of the 30 series. About 9 months later I saw 2070 Supers going for over $900. At which point I decided I should buy a RTX 3080 at $1700, sell my 2070 Super for a $900 and walk away with a 3080 for $900 (if you include the $100 purchase price of the 2070 Super).
I'm floored more people aren't doing it. My brother in law is one of those people, he's happy with the 2080 Super he bought, but he could sell it and upgrade UNDER MSRP.
Ofc, we didn't knew the shit show all this would become, but yea, watching this video made the confirmation that the 2070 super wasn't a bad purchase at all! I just feel bad for those kids, and not, at the same time.
@@-DawnZero sold my rtx 2070 for $750 and bought a scalper 3060 ti for $1100
The warning signs were all there for everyone to see. People just didn't think.
There were already problems with obtaining cpu and other components from as early as August, when i built my system, and even before.
I really like the yellow box around the graphs it's clearer and faster to read them. I usually pause the video to see the scores. I didn't have to do it today. Thank you for this addition!
Great vid
Gaming cards aren't Desktop productivity cards, that's not new.. The average gamer person buying this card will use it for gaming, which will run most games perfectly fine, hence the mad dash to get the card. Its not all about cranking the settings up to FULL either, most games will do better FPS with less settings! You also need a fast CPU and lots of FAST memory, not just a large amount of memory. Any desktop productivity person will not be looking at Gaming cards to run CAD or Creative Cloud apps if they know what they are doing. This card will do fine for the average gamer/video enthusiast that needs to edit a 15 min of 4K drone footage or to post a youtube video. Remember video editing , as well as other software rending (3D, CAD etc.. ) requires a Fast CPU and fast memory not a gaming card. For the price this card makes sense for someone not spending 4-5 grand on a desktop PC that they barely get any benefit from. People buying the $1500 cards are spending $500 on mb, $1000 in memory, 3 grand in monitors, $1500 for a CPU if you get my drift. Lastly, all these bench marks for any hardware, given the stats are very close, the small differences aren't going to be noticed all that great. In conclusion, non of this PC hardware is worth the money its sold for. Its a money grab for these companies. Supply and Demand working away!
Steve flamed Linus in his review!! Loved it.
Linus still shilling for NVIDIA in this review. He learned nothing
Link?
I mean, it is a professional disagreement, but OK.
@@LtShifty Steve, Gamers Nexus. You probably want to go search it up.
@@SagnikDasgupta For real, right? Dunno where people are seeing these sick put downs, I just see a civilized difference in perspective.
This begs the question then, at a time where there is a GPU shortage, since launch, wouldn't the ethical thing be to infuse the market with the skus already in existence that uses the same chip that no one has been able to get since launch (3070)? Rather than releasing a new, higher prices sku that no one will be able to get at MSRP and will continue to drive grey market prices up for us regular folk?
Yea. But Nvidia cares more about their profit margins than they do their consumers 🤷♂️
They should produce ton of 200$ cards with DLSS, 4GB VRAM and performance of 1660 super/1660ti. Miners wont be intrested even without mining limiter, and scalpers shouldnt't buy them all if Nvidia will ship them a lot.
@@Gronbar6 why would they do that? they can't ship more than they are already making, so they focus on selling the most expensive, because it's more profit
Maybe supply is about to improve and they want to keep the fat stacks coming in by introducing TI models and getting rid of the non TI models.....heck they can even add super models and charge more for those because they will add the vram their current cards lack....
@@Gronbar6 You mean GTX cards with the new Ampere architecture? Like they did with 1660 and 1650 cards with their Turing(2000s series) architecture?
These highlights on the regions of the graph you are talking about is amazingly helpful. Keep it up!
It was so brave of Linus to pose for that thumbnail after he won a fight to the death. A true Canadian hero.
@📌 Pinned by Linus Tech Tips wha...? You are clearly a scam account posing as LTT, but what is your goal? This message is very ominous...
I really wish y'all would start adding VR games to your benchmark suite to test how these handle VR games.
Mining hashrates as well.
They're benchmark suite is dogshit, usually old games no one plays or cares about. Tired of seeing Shadow of the Benchmark for 3 years in a row.
@@KhromTX eh, shadow is fine, it stresses the equipment and is a good representation of a solid performance load on the machine. The games matter less then what you are asking the hardware to DO. Not to mention, shadow specifically has all kinds of features enabled on it that a lot of other games just don't have, so it's pushing it in ways other games simply don't.
@@KhromTX They are benchmark suite.
People are sick creatures.
As much as I want this, that is just nuts
They are all losers
@Waldel Martell they might plan a raid on your house if you do.
@@3b0d1999 that's the last we ever hear of ol Waldel. He was a honorable man... Killed in his Herman Miller by idiots buying in to corporate shill.
2:36 *Sorry Dr. Cutress. Divide by 4 for true clock speed
I just bought a prebuilt with a 3070ti and an i7 12700. Absolutely in love with her.
How much for a used like new RTX 3070 TI or 3070?
hp envy?
@@gabbyboyo2229 ؟؟؟
I appreciated the closing thoughts on this better than the 3080 Ti review. If you can't wait out the storm, get anything you can for MSRP since the second hand market is completely scalped, but still mentioning that in an open availability situation this card may not be the best choice compared to others.
Thank you for pointing out which bars Linus is discussing. By the time I found the bar in the past he was already on a new chart
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