Our Brand New Land Rover Defender Was Fixed! But Then It Broke Again...
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Our Land Rover Defender has been a vehicle long in the making. We ordered this rig back in June, and it is most likely the cheapest Defender in the country! We had an issue that caused a check engine light. With that solved we have a new issue, this one completely different!
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Your story about the Defender is interesting keep on with the objective report style !
Mark Twain has a funny old saying about this......”Never buy a first generation car”.
Will stick with my 1970 SWB LAND ROVER USED VEG OIL BURNING NO TO LOCKED IN TOXIC CARBON BIG OIL #BUZZOFFTOXIC #CLIMATECHANGE
@@3px0 never buy a landrover
It’s a familiar story. Land Rover have always been drivers of innovation & new technologies. Unfortunately that means that it’s common for those things to go wrong. It may be that your Defender is in that category. Additionally, there’s hardly any petrol models out there. In Europe, no one would buy a petrol one (unless it’s the high end super fast one).
What I'd say gents. Get the Bronco.
There is no break in period for Land Rovers, they just break, period.
Dude, good one
There's no point in breaking in a Land Rover because they break before the break in period is over.
Yeah its already broken when it exits the factory. Probably incompetent peasents assemble the cars
Lol. Good point!
COTD
That car dealership is a certified lemonade stand
There is no way it can break down like this
@@mulengakabanga7257 but......... but it just did
don’t buy land rover
It’s not the dealership. It’s the brand. It happens with range rovers and land rovers.... people buy these and this is actually pretty normal... sadly.
@@Paulinthewyld he should have said: Lemonade stand franchise.
Model Y: I'm going to be the biggest headache TFL has ever seen.
Land Rover: *HOLD MY BEER*
funny.
TFL: Understandable have a nice day.
Good one
LOL
I hope it feels good to land an awesome joke like this. Relish it.
Owning a Range Rover is kind of like having a good-looking girlfriend that's actually a drug addict. Expensive to have around and always need a fix
Haha - I'm British - I had a choice between a Range Rover Sport and a X5 3.0sd 08 reg on 55k. My mechanic loves Land Rovers. Shop full of Range Rovers. Instinctively I chose the USA made X5. 115k later apart from having the injectors cleaned, couple of suspension bits, headlight that started misting over and a couple of air bags at the back. She still starts on the button and has never let me down. Sadly it's not a proper Land Rover not being made in the UK. It's a Euro car - with a bit of UK design and I'm guessing most likely near asian software connecting the 85 ECUs?......
That one is not good-looking. It is FUGLY.
@@tedunguent156 what the x5 or the defender?
Hahaha this made my day
Haha 😄 👏
There's no bad module. They just have no idea what's wrong.
I think the solution is obvious. Upgrade the software to the previous version.
I've done it with this computer. It came with Windows 8 and I've upgraded it to Windows 7.
Exactly. A software "update" on a vehicle that's 1 week old... Shouldn't it have been done before delivery?
@@michelt4390 I had the same thing happen to my brand new ford. Check engine light at about 3000 miles. There was a TSB for a software update months before I bought my car they just didn't bother. Will likely be my last new car purchase. Dealers don't care about their customers.
The module is the only part that works, everything else is bad.
My thought exactly. I have similarly bad experience with Lincoln, they still don't know what is wrong. My Jeep had some issues but at least all was resolved. Tesla as well, they have a mobile service on top of it, didn't have to go anywhere, all fixed in my driveway.
The lifespan is decreasing from model to model... I am amazed 😂
Nah, they just save you the hassle of having to break it yourself. Now you get the famous LR experience from day 1.
Geez. Too much electronic nonesense
@@Jaml321 lmaooo they early
LR have special dept which is responsible for that "special feature"😉😁👍
That's to keep you in their repair shop. Parts in the land rovers are programed to fail are failing to early
Having been in the towing industry, I appreciated people buying Land Rovers. They are extremely unreliable overall.
😂
Yes job security for us
My neighbor got himself a Range Rover and it drives him crazy every week. There's just story after story of the bloody thing breaking down and stranded him silly. Then he finally decided enough is enough, sold the bloody thing....
And bought himself a Jaguar 🤣
The towing industry must've hit another jackpot.
Aha awesome for towing Industry...buy land to get it tow ...
@@user-xq2fz5tz9t From one pile of junk, to another one. Man, his mechanic must be really happy.
Just get a Land Cruiser.
But that’s a proper beast and these guys are dumb.
Even a jeep is better, at least an older one
I know a guy who traded in his 2020 Land Cruiser Heritage for a 2020 Defender 110. MISTAKE!
@@TheActiveAssault well I mean “hey here’s a car that works. Okay bye” doesn’t make for much content.
You might as well drive a wheelbarrow
I’m delighted that one can still have an authentic British car-owning experience even today, in 2020.
Is it not an "enhanced" British car owning experience.
Land Rover / Jaguar isnt really british anymore, was bought out by TATA in 2008 , Indian bus/truck company and the quality decreases since then
LaBrie...sarcasm noted. chaka zulu...now do you get it?
@@Chrisk427 It was not possible to reduce the quality any further than it already was by that stage. People who relied on their 4x4 for their livelihood or in some extreme climates even for their lives, stopped buying LR years before.
@@johncross2787 I think you are right john. People are just nostalgic about the old defenders. They won’t ever make them like that again
I wish you'd bought this car "incognito", so we could see how the average joe was treated by JLR.
Right! I bet if they were normal customers they wouldn’t be treated like this! If anything Land Rover is unreliable as hell!
Yeah they treated them like VIPs....😂
I mean who else would have gotten an uber instead of a loaner car.
😉
@@y4nnickschmitt ikr?!! Unacceptable for a “premium”’brand
I think maybe this video shows how the normal customer would be treated, the next video they will have discovered the videos and will go above and beyond to make themselves look good.
Why are all the fun new cars trash quality?
They made sure the Uber was a Tundra for reliability concerns
😀
That Tundra looked to be a early 90"s model too....
They should've been given a loaner car. Every other car dealership gives loaners on higher end vehicles.
@@mikebraun9673 It’s not that old. Uber and Lyft have maximum ages vehicles can be.
@@nomap2161 a lot of dealership have shifted to uber-like services since Covid. Don't want to have to constantly deal with cleaning all the cars.
Imagine the poor suckers that buy one and don’t also have a 1m subscriber UA-cam channel.
Can quality control really be that hard! Something is profoundly wrong and some heads need to roll. If they could turn their reputation around they would have so many more customers and I might be one of them.
Did you mean "Rich poor suckers who buys land rovers"
Exactly. They do this with every manufacturer. I’m surprised Land Rover was dumb enough to give them such a poor vehicle.
😂 yeah because they listen to these UA-cam fools saying that land rovers are perfect and reliable 😂
"Long term Land Rover Defender"
Might wanna rethink that.
Super short term Land Rover lol
Wooper it’s long term...... in the shop!
This is a long term review, long term wait at the dealership. That's why they're so nice.
There’s actually one defender here in the uk on UA-cam that lasted 8miles before check engine light came on.. that’s 8 miles from collection from dealer 😬😬 you’ve done really well!!
at least it worked from the factory to the dealer and that's impressive enough! lol
I can’t believe they sent Andre back in an Uber. They couldn’t even spare you guys a loaner vehicle?
Imagine how big of a loaner fleet they would need ? 😂
I do not believe that giving out loaners from another manufacturer would reflect highly upon the brand... LOL
Well then that means theyd need to tow two cars then
@@brjha I’m not sure because when my grandmother would take her Mercedes in for repair, they would loan fully loaded Toyota Camrys
A friend of mine would get Audi A7s or A6s when he took his 911 Turbo in for servicing so I mean it isn't always what you'd expect. He has 4 Porsches now, the cheapest of which is like $120,000, and his loaner cars are usually Audis.
They should give a free puppy with every land rover, so you wont have to walk home alone.
LOL
😂😂😂
😅😅😅😅
That, at least, eases the torture, eh mate! Lots'a love, cheers, & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines!
A free horse or a donkey would be more convenient,because they can provide a free and reliable ride back home.
When I was a tech for Land Rover we had a moto, "Reliability is overrated. "
Or as Jeremy Clarkson says : "Reliability is só tedious..
It's boring.."
LOL
*motto - I know, spelling is so overrated too.
I dated a lady years ago that bought the Supercharged Range rover--a little over 100k.On the 2nd month the check engine light came on,I drove it sometimes and could tell something was not right with the supercharger--the power was sluggish.That vehicle was in and out of the shop several times--I think 3 in the first year--and these were not overnighters--these were 5 to 10 day layovers.When we stopped dating--that check engine light was on--car was in its 2nd year--had 14k miles.They also would fight her on giving a loaner car and had to give her a car from the used car lot because all 4 loaner cars were out--and this was everytime it broke.These vehicles also lose a lot of resale because of this.I would never get one.
@@khronin Do the english still drink warm beer because of lucas refrigerators?
People complain when toyota use the same engine/gearbox for a dozen years. This is why.
Now that makes sense.
Yep that's why they are still reliable today, they take their time to implement new tech into their vehicle
Facts.........
Land Rover has never used anything Toyota.
@@grabir01 thats the problem, why can't land rover uses ford ecoboost engines or some toyota engines?!
Dang that sucks...the Defender is starting it’s life as on Offender. 🤕
Pretender*
Preventer
A swedish friend of mine used to say.......
Ah, the British. They make really wonderful cars, really badly!
Why would LR spend money on testing when there are hundreds of thousands of customers that can do it for you
Automakers take note!
The videogame industry has been doing that for years now. It's not like people are annoyed, or anything like that. :)
I don't always test my code, but when I do, it's in production.
That's Telsa's business model already.
@@2011blueman No, Tesla does plenty of testing. It’s the quality control that they outsource to customers.
🤣🤣🤣
'Hard reboot'... so basically the dealership disconnected and reconnected the negative cable to the 12v battery. I think I'll go out in my garage and polish my trustworthy Honda.
Honda is a boring mosque wagon
@@MrKieranps1990 and Jaguar/Land Rover are unreliable garbage.
@@MrKieranps1990 Land Rovers belong in the junkyard
@@alexanderrosales7675 not the old ones, more reliable than any Honda
@@CarThings___ Hmmm gee I wonder why no one buys those I've seen more old Land Cruiser pickups and Hiluxes than land rovers still driving around the world than those
80% of all Land Rovers ever made are still on the road. You’ll be pleased to hear that the other 20% made it home.
Okay this comment got me! That's hilarious!
👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻This deserves many thumbs up 🤣
Legit just copied someone else’s comment.
😂😂😂😂
Hahaa this is hilarious
Land Rover: Breaks down.
Motor Trend: sUv Of ThE yEaR!
Too bad you can’t afford one
Read the review by C&D. Three fails in one week of driving.
@@gto4609 who wants to buy something that breaks down?
@@unfairsanic5089 I have had a range rover for almost 3 years now and it never broke down on me
@@gto4609 try 6 years of driving and more than 200k miles without breaking down
And Land Rover seriously expect people to drive to remote areas in these vehicles? My suggestion is that you always take 2 vehicles and make sure one of them is a Toyota.
There's an old joke.. if you want to go on safari, take a Land Rover. If you want to come back from safari, take a Land Cruiser.
wouldn't it be better to bring a volvo c303?
John Cross lol if that was the case Land Rover wouldn't put 22inch wheels on their utilitarian offroader, they know the roughest terrain Defender owners will face is going over the kerb at the Starbucks drive thru
@@PeterCooperUK or a land rover will go in the bush but a Toyota will bring you out the bush.
I doubt this was really targeting the real 4x4 community. They really messed this up
I was invited to JLR event 2 years ago where they were showing off the new Discovery...They took us over the course of the ramps, climbing up and down, demonstrating the capability of the vehicle, and as we got on the articulation ramp that puts the car on 3 wheels, Discovery’s screens froze, and vehicle stalled. It was quite embarrassing. I thought then that they’re way over complicating this vehicle with electronics, especially when reliability is questionable already. Your video proves the point. Good luck with that “white delight” 😬
You meant "white paperweight"
I was in a Vogue RangeRover on the test circuit when it shit it's rear suspension airbag and then consequently ripped the rear bumper off as it was dragging it's arse in the mud.. test driver was like. Oh well, I'll just get another one 😂 🙈 Good sales pitch mate... I think I'll give it a miss thanks.
@@HandyC that must have been hilarious and scary at the same time
@@simebaricevic2483 as an avid offroader anyway, I wasn't scared in the slightest. It was comical AF though. 😂👌🏽
Unfortunately, I believe the only reason you are even get this type of “service” is because of your channel. The average person would likely be ignored for months.
True. Land Rover service is absolutely worse than mercedez
That's British engineering for yah should've just waited for the bronco
I had Mercedez and Land Rover. Everytme I enjoy service with Merk and suffer from land river services ( tried three different dealers. Same, more tried more suffered more troubles ).
Maybe even china branded cars may be more reliable or at least more fixable than Land Rover!
Correct. That's unacceptable for such an expensive vehicle. Really for any new vehicle.
Owning a land rover is like having a hot bipolar girlfriend. Lotta fun, but you never know when she's gonna snap for no reason.
Funniest comment ever !!!!! jajajajajaja
Id keep her but not the car
@@Dead_on_Arrival. keep both... You can have 2 cars just like you can have 2 girlfriends.
I can't believe Land Rover corporate hasn't just stepped in, replaced the vehicle and apologized profusely. This is comically bad for their public relations.
why should they? english brands have been doing this for decades, they put people talking about how expensive and bad german cars are, while they re the expensive and very dubious built quality ones and most people have idiotically loved all of that. americans in general jumped on the wagon and that has been the mantra that every so called 'petrolhead' knows to parrot very well, it has been working, why do you think they would change?
@@jh5kl what a stupid comment?Have you forgotten about VW🤣🤣
Meh. This is minor stuff. I guarantee you they have bigger fish to fry.
I'll bet you they would have IF any replacement wouldn't break down in the same fashion. I'll bet that they're ALL having problems ... throughout the production line.
So sorry about that, here we are replacing it with the same piece of junk.
So basically guys,
More miles was put on the new defender, going back and fourth to the dealership and mileage was added from the service department testing it...
AMAZING
My family have had Land Rover / Range Rovers and have had problems on problems with them.
Went to Toyota and never had any more problems.
@trigolis Hi
The worst was a two week old Range Rover cost over £70K that had total electrical failure in the wilds of Scotland, could not open the doors and our dogs where stuck in the back and we could not get in.
A large stone was used to break a window to get the doors open and let the dogs out, a long work was then in order to contact the hotel for a taxi and then Land Rover recovery.
trigolis You’re actually defending unreliability by referencing that you get to eat doughnuts and drink coffee while you wait for your car to be fixed? Lol, that’s some serious fanboying right there, nobody I know wants to have to get their car repaired multiple times a year, especially a brand new model 🤣
trigolis Oh man.... that’s an understatement.
This SUV will still look like new in 10 years because it will spend most of it's time in a shop. It's a shop queen.
Haha love this
Land Rover software update : Disconnect the ground on the battery, count to 60 , hook-up the ground, software update complete.. then they used it for a shop vehicle to go get coffee and pizza for the boys in the garage , for 36 miles. Ok , it’s a brand new vehicle, why wasn’t the software update done when you drove it off the lot .?
The best Land Rover is the Land Cruiser version made by Toyota.
Lol, good one. You forgot about the Patrol and G-Wagon versions.
Lol
The Australians say take a land rover to get to the outback but take a land cruiser to come back from the outback
🤣🤣🤣
100% Agreed
Land Rover electrical problems, who would have guessed?
"I know people with 100,000s of miles on them no issue" - I'm calling BS.
Probably on their second or third engine/transmission by then too haha
New car dealerships are gonna hate selling your team cars. Keep showing real life issues. Never sell out to the Automakers! Kudos to TFL
First rule of buying a Land Rover: Don’t buy a Land Rover.
Second rule of buying a Land Rover: Turn around and return the Land Rover.
Third rule of buying a Land Rover: After dealership rebuffs your request to return it head straight to your liquor store and keep a bottle of a very good spirit so you can at least have one good experience in your Land Rover.
Please feel free to add to the list!!!!
4: go find a challenger tank, and show it what real British engineering can do.
*5TH RULE OF BUYING A LAND ROVER: **_ALWAYS drive in front of a tow truck - so that when you inevitably break down, you won't have to wait for a tow._*
*6: **_Keep the Roadside Assistance phone number in your contacts - in case you can't find a tow truck to drive in front of._* 🤣
For god sakes, Land Rover. Get it together. This is embarrassing.
The Defender was at the top of my list. To say I'm having second thoughts is an understatement.
DO NOT BUY...WAIT FOR A BRONCO.
Bruh, get a used one from the 70s if you're really into it.
Get a Toyota Land Cruiser
@@vippsmillennial6336 If I wanted an old Defender, I probably wouldn't be considering this one at all. Fact is, as much as I love the old Defenders, I certainly don't want to DD one.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Bronco is definitely high up on the list, but as an 8 year Wrangler owner, the removable roof and doors thing has lost some of its charm for me. That being said, I will take the occasional minor leak and wind noise over electrical gremlins any day,
Just think how long the dealer printout will be if that things still running at 50,000 miles.
the way it is going
it is not getting 50000 miles
Not long at all. Actually I'm a time traveler and went to the future to check. At 49,999 miles the dealer note showed it sold for scrap!
the Apollo mission ran into problems as well. You want a fun gadget, be ready for hiccups.
The cameras broke in the first week... Imagine the odds of them working at 120k miles. lol.. Not a chance
For a car that has 300 miles under its belt, let alone one that tops out at $110k, this is completely and utterly inexcusable.
Welcome to ownership of a late model vehicle. I’m a service advisor at a Honda dealer and there are several recalls for software updates, backup camera replacement, fuel pump replacement, door latch cables, etc. These recalls are all on 2017+ vehicles. As cars have more technology these problems won’t go away.
@@jtarchie Isn't Tesla recalling over 120K Model X SUVs for faulty steering software right now. I also remember a sudden acceleration issues earlier this year(Model S?)where cars were recalled. But you're right about quality issues concerning fit and finish, Teslas are pretty bad. I still applaud Musk for what he's done with the company and maybe in another 5 or 6 years they'll build a real solid car that operates like what the sticker price commands.
It’s not a mistake that Land Rover during the advertising they had a tent roof, what that means is “you will be camping when it breaks down” ⛺️
With less than 300 miles, good luck in the future.
Long term test vehicle looks bad in the first 300 miles, that is funny.
This video was all I needed to see. I was seriously considering buying the new Defender. Not anymore.
You though about buying a crappy Land Rover what on earth did you expected from the most unreliable automaker???
Of course it brakes down all the time, didn’t you know anything about cara before getting this???
Lol. Get a Bronco or Wrangler or Lexus GX 450.
Get Toyota Land cruiser vx200 u will never regret it
@@hartonokurniawan6990 yeah but you miss out on the free coffee and donuts at the land Rover dealer.
I was exactly in the same situation. No LR for me. It looks good at the show floor but they fall apart as soon as you drive out. Not to mention that now there is even more electronics there. Not to mention that air suspension.
My British friends admit Land Rover is a poorly made auto brand and don't know why people still buy them.
It’s the old grass is greener on the other side of the fence ideology. I think the Uk sees the same thing with mustangs now.
Not really relevant he is British as the new Defender is made in Slovakia!
Still very much advertised as English here in California though.
@@codydiek7981 Yep, as opposed to the pillars of reliability that were the "british" LR3 and LR4, this new Defender certainly suffers from being made in Slovakia. Truth is, people really wanted LR to actually turn a corner with this new "Defovery" and, as LR does reliably, it did not. Same old garbage.
@Jose Alberto Rosa-Suliveres imho, a well designed/ engineered car can be built virtually anywhere.
You guys only visited the dealer three times during your first week of ownership, that's amazing! JLR is definitely getting more reliable. If you end up putting on more miles than the mechanic, we will know for sure.
I hope they like the coffee they serve over there at the dealer. Should probably get on first name basis with the mechanic too.
The question of course. as you mentioned at the end, is is this regular JLR customer service or is this "professional automotive UA-camr with almost a million subscribers" customer service?
They didn't lend him a car though so treated like normal Joe Public.
I've had similar experience with Mazda, bought a new Mazda 3 hatchback last year. Still under warranty and plenty of recalls of warranty work done by the dealership. Last year was the first year of a new gen and had a significant redesign and new tech added. I expected issues like this and dealership did everything JLR did and more, they always offered me a free unlimited loaner whenever I had to drop it off.
This is why we haven’t purchased a Range Rover. Love how they look however can’t pay that kind of money and deal with issues over and over.
To many layers of electronics for a good offroad vehicle. The question is what will happen after 100,000 miles? Turbo 4 and that weight POS comes to mind.
Honestly though new cars often have little issues especially from a brand new model, even a new Camry, thankfully Jaguar Land Rovers have a five-year 60,000 mile warranty with 4 year free maintenance and then the extended warranty is highly recommended LOL
It's not as bad as it seems. but landrover isn't the best when it comes to software. That's why when I pick up mine from service I just go through the menu for 3 minutes and check if everything is working
And they leak oil also
@Denes Szerdahelyi Not disagreeing with you. But I have to say, Isuzu is an up-and-comer in this area.
This is unfolding just as predicted.
There's a saying if you wanna go to the jungle take a Land Rover, but if you wanna come out bring a Toyota Land Cruiser...
The only place that one can depend on a Land Rover is when it's in it's natural environment, on the back of a Tow Truck!
My ideas exactly, New technology at it's finest,
@@alexmorris3106 Oh stop. Modern cars are factually more reliable than cars from 20-30 years ago. Tech doesn't make cars unreliable, poor engineering execution on the other hand...
Well it's a land rover they're better used than brand new
Land Rover have so much to answer for rolling out junk after junk. So what if your car never had any issues as there is a massive group of owners that have to resort to legal action to repair or obtain a refund for this sad excuse of a car. Stats dont lie these cars seduce you with good looks and kill with unreliability
The original defender is utilitarian & can be fixed in Africa with basic tools, great build with no hi-tech gimmicks! The saying “ Don’t fix something, that’s not broken!”
As far as I know, they can no longer market the old cars, since they don't meet modern emissions standards.
Yes indeed, unfortunately stopped manufacturing the classic 2016. Car manufacturing has gone bonkers!
Well, our abuse of the environment has simply gone on too long. I wonder why LR didn't just develop a cleaner engine for a car similar to the old Defender though. They changed the target buyer quite a bit. I suspect that there simply aren't that many people who want a car like the old one, no matter how hardcore they may be about it.
Exactly, the old Serie 1-2-3 and even most of the 90/110 could be fixed with bailing wires, and some basic tools... the new ones, well, not sure you'd want to take it anywhere without cell/towing coverage...
@@MorningNapalm because the 'good old' land rover everyone has a fond memory of, was created by BMW, they only knew how to make what basically were tractors, when it was sold, the new owner never cared for developing the brand has BMW did, and they became a complete status brand
Jeep: is unreliable, says mechanics
Land Rover: I'm about to end this brand's career
Hopefully broncos aren't unreliable
@Joseph the turbos are the only thing that worries me...
I mean, yes I know ford is reliable: my family bought a used Lincoln navigator, abused it for like 13 years and it still runs! (Now we use it as a work truck)
But that was a naturally aspirated v8 so I don't really know how reliable these ford turbocharged engines are...
Do you know?
@@simpleinverso8628 the 2.7 holds up.
@@simpleinverso8628 I thrash the crap out of my 2016 Ford Expedition Limited 4x4. Put a set of Bilsteins on it and Raptor Rims and Wheels (35in Tires). Twin catch cans. Sent the Turbos out to have bigger compressor wheels put in. Got a custom tune on it. I go everywhere with that thing. I go mudding, drive on rocks, drive the sand dunes. I drive everywhere with it. That low end torque with long curve is great. And nothing beats that Ford 8.8 for off-road. And I'm a Subaru guy.
Jeep is unreliable. Land Rover says "Hold my beer".
I talked to my local dealership in Canada mid November 2020. This review from TFL has crushed the demand for the Defenders single handedly. TFL truck has millions of subscriber and one of the best in business as reviewers.
The JLR corporate should have stepped up way before things got out if their hands. Just sad. RIP
I'm always surprised that when a car is sold, the latest software updates are not installed. This happened to my parents with a new Subaru Outback...the car had issues with a "bog" when starting from a stop....dealer said, oh this doesn't have the latest software updates...which did address this issue..but apparently had to be discovered by the customer.
That's what I was thinking. Don't think this speaks for the dealership, does it?
There was no software update. They just cleared to codes and drove it for a while and since the check engine light didn't come back on the problem was "solved."
@@justinfowler2857 yes there are updates, I have a 2011 honda crz and it was jerking when leaving a stop, no engine light or anything, they said it needed a firmware update, after that problem solved, crazy how a customer has to find out this stuff..
I'm not surprised really. The approach the software industry has taken recently is called agile. The mantra is don't design just react quickly to requirements and do frequent deliveries of small incremental updates with new features and fault fixes. It's likely that the versions installed in the vehicle when it left the factory had already been superseded or were shortly after. I think it is an approach that leads to low quality software.
A lot of software updates come out after the dealer receives the vehicles. Often the problem is they don’t update their inventory on the lot, and don’t update it when the vehicle is purchased either. They unfortunately pass that off to the customer post purchase.
First mistake made: buying a Land Rover/Range Rover product. My dad had a rr autobiography and engine blew within 10,000 miles of being new
So, not so much an autobiography as an obituary!
My 99 disco 2 has nearly 400k on it stiil running and still goes hard offroad
My neighbor had a 19’ extended wheelbase autobiography, (pretty sure it was the V8 but I’m not sure), after 13 months it exploded.
I buy American, Japanese and German cars, my first car was a Fiat and was a nightmare.
Yeah, my fiat was a shocker as well, from my personal experience it doesn’t really matter which manufacturer you go for if your car was made by Terry on a Wednesday your screwed, just an opinion before people start getting angry about a random comment on the net
Ok, I use to be very objective to your channel...but I'm very impressed that you guys are showing actual issues and not try to hide it like other car "experts" channel.
If it was a horse, you’d shoot it and make glue.
Nay!
Id rather perform a TCM update on the horse
@@Tcflohr the "update' is what broke it. Obviously.
@@calholli and update or not, something else is eventually going to break on that thing anyway, because it's a LR
Average Joe wouldn’t get that kind of service
Not necessarily, it depends on the dealership and manufacturer. I bought a new Mazda 3 last year, first year of a new gen with a significant redesign and a lot more electronics. Its had multiple recalls and even was repainted by dealership after I pointed out rockchips 3 weeks into owning the vehicle. I am just an average Joe, all the work done so far (including a respray of the whole front end) but not including routine maintenance was covered by Mazda Japan and a free loaner was always offered as an option. Even when the respray took a month and I was out of town on vacation for 2 weeks during that time with the loaner sitting at home. The dealership didn't charge me for holding onto their loaner for 2 weeks after the car was fixed since I was out of town and it was out of my control. First year of a new gen is ALWAYS prone to issues. My car has had about 6 software updates in over a year. All this to say, problems are to be expected with first years of new gens and your dealership experience may vary but I have had a good experience with multiple Mazda dealerships and am still glad I bought my car.
It's not generally the average Joe buying Land Rover products.
Slow turnaround and no loaner?
@@djw1091994 I have 2019 Mazda CX-5 Diesel, no issues whatsoever
@@bonvaicu awesome! Yeah according to forums a lot of us 2019 3 owners experienced were fixed by 2020 and there are almost no recalls. I'm confident most of it is ironed out and the remaining work will be honoured under warranty or additional TSBs/Recalls. Also glad to have their new Connected Services for free for 3 years.
The problem is not with defender, the problem is you bought a defender!!
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This is the smartest reply I've read all week.
@@yruhatin100 thank you for your comment. And just to make this clear. I'm not trying to bash the defender in anyway. That's just European cars in general! They tend to have problems.
Don’t know if you guys saw/read the article. I realize it’s a 6 cyl with different options but electrical and other gremlins like on your car could easily be model wide. I bet Corona is to blame so if it were me I would be handling it like you guys are. Being truthful not trashing. That’s what I love most about this channel. I sold cars for 12 plus years with the most time at BMW for 7. Just being truthful and honest with customers is why I sold any of the cars I did.
My son and I can’t wait for more Defender content as he loves the defender and it helped me to show him the love for cars all of us enthusiasts have. I have a buddy in Land Rover sales and he is going to let us drive one and my son doesn’t know. Great work!
The name of the car is wrong. It is not a "Defender". It is an "Offender".
It is. They should have named it the "Element." Although that would be an insult to Honda
Pretender...
well said. i owned an old one and i still offended, so very suitable name, all the owner must be offended in very short term == offender.
Land Rover "Disappointment"
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So like 4 different issue in less than a week of ownership. Way to build a car, Land Rover.
I can’t believe Range/Land Rover is still in business honestly, hands down some of the most poorly made vehicles ever.
its a very expensive badge people just keep on buying
It took me 3 Land Rovers before I swore them off. My first one was relatively reliable, I fell in love with the brand with that one. The next 2 were the biggest headaches. It became a game of, "What's going to break this month?"
status/design. otherwise toyota would rule the world. personally i like how land cruisers look though defenders arent in that price range.
Status symbols, that's all, even a Jeep Grand Cherokee is a better SUV mine never broke and my buddy is on his third.
@@firstnamelastname-zo5gd Toyota became extremely clever recently. They know that they have the reputation for long-lasting quality, so they use that as an advantage and build less lasting cars recently.
Tommy: "We had (2) two used Land Rovers that were dependable ...". LOLz... Well Tommy that's because the previous owners, aka suckers, worked out all of the kinks for you ... how nice of them, right?
This is what you get when you buy a brand-new Land Rover: a reality show.
Toyota: HOLD MY 🍺...
Land Rover has left the chat room..
Wait a minute, you never really received an answer as to exactly..why did the engine check light come on? Now all of a sudden you have a camera module go bad with just 300+ miles on the vehicle?? Imagine if you were just a normal owner...and NOT TFL.
Obviously very little quality control at Land Rover these days...
The answer is simple, "it is the first batch production of a brand new product from manufacturer who isn't known for its reliable products"
@@cococly That about sums it up...
I’m no expert but these systems don’t seem like they are first for the brand(360 camera or turbo charging).
The typical issues with the air suspension system would be the prime suspect for the first of many other tech related concerns. Shame with so many years of the same systems, issues are still present.
“Brand name” is such a social THING...it’s not even funny. In my opinion it’s God’s way of taking $ from those who made it too easy...anyone who worked hard for their money would prioritize social status differently(I’d hope).
@@movingforwardwithahad317 It's just a combination of a new model and a lack of quality control.
Also these were put together in Slovakia in a new factory with new staff. Not UK built.
Not surprised, it's a Land Rover
It is a Ford using Land Rover castings and hardware.
I think it’s safe to say, you guys are getting better service than a regular consumer would get from JLR.
"You will love a Land Rover. You will trust a Toyota." I'll just keep saying it.
A real truck enthusiast will love the Toyota more than the Land Rover.
Rich ppl wants
Supercomputer
Land Rover giving you guys an Uber driver shows that even Land Rover doesn’t trust their vehicles to be used as courtesy vehicles.
After losing $4.4 billion last year and $534 million last quarter, I'm surprised they didn't just give him a bus ticket home.
In Australia they say if you want to go to the out back take a Land Rover BUT if you want to go home again take a Toyota Land Cruiser
@@1thehandyvan That is pretty funny. Here they say that 90% of the Land Rovers are still on the road. The rest of them made it home.
Seriously, no loaner??
@@3rdGUMObro I guess they don't want to have the loaner break down and then give you yet another loaner... and so on....
I just have to share my one Land Rover story. I am on a helicopter fire crew in California and I work 12 days on and 2 days off. On my 2 days off my relief driver brought me a rental Land Rover Discovery. He was given this vehicle because it was all that was left on the lot. Now, I am well aware of the reputation of Land Rover vehicles but I thought "How bad could they be?" .
Even just driving away the first time, it didn't run right. It had an odd hesitation among other weird idiosyncrasies. The next day I had to make a drive to San Bernardino for an appointment. On the way back home, on the freeway, the vehicle started slowing down. It was only doing 45 miles an hour when I finally made it off the freeway and to a gas station. I filed it with premium to see if the cheaper gas had been the problem.
I was now able to keep up with traffic for some reason but the engine would have a loud knock occasionally that would go away if I shifted manually rather than having it in automatic.
Then, I decided to drive out to another place on the way home when, 4 miles from the nearest gas station all hell broke loose on the dashboard with red lights flashing and messages saying I was critically low on oil and the vehicle lost power. I had checked the oil when I filled it, it was full. The POS finally shut down and I coasted off the road in the middle of the desert. Multiple calls to the "Enterprising" road side assistance were made, assuring me that tow trucks were on the way. 4 hours later I finally called an Uber and left that pile of garbage on the side of the road with the keys in it. That was 8:00 in the evening. A tow truck did not arrive at the vehicle until 10:00 am the next morning, despite how many times I had been told a tow truck was on the way. . In the end we were told by the rental company the Discovery had suffered an issue with the keys?!
NEVER AGAIN! Avoid Land Rovers like the plague and NEVER trust a rental car company's roadside assistance.
So, .... not a fan of LR ???
Not what I would want to deal with after working 12 days in a row
I've had my 110 for 25 years, it is 36 years old. Since I have had it, it has only been towed twice. a dwell adjuster failed on one occasion and the fuel pump died on another. It is the most reliable car I have ever owned. Can't say the same for my wife's 2004 disco 2 (LR2 to you yanks).
The dealer tested it out for 36 miles, from Friday till Tuesday, 😂 sounds like they used it as a weekend personal vehicle 😂
they're trying really hard to take back their "most unreliable car brand" title back from Tesla...
Land Rover is known for electrical and mechanical problems whereas Tesla drivetrain is good but the fit and finish is garbage and bodywork sometimes drops off whilst driving. Land Rover does have nice coffee and biscuits at the dealership so that's a win I guess.
@@almac9203 dude there is tones of stories about Teslas going up in flames due to the battery not seal as it should be, but all of this is small potatoes when it comes to the issues these 2car manufactures have... at this point i will NEVER buy a from either Tesla or Land Rover..
the funny part is that both of these car brands have they own fanboys that would tell you that these cars/suvs is super reliable and that they took their own on a trip and it never broke down blab blab blab...
@@dunhillsupramk3 I have met Tesla fanboys and I know they are the worse. I would sooner hang out with vegans. A Tesla fan blamed a driver for driving in heavy rain when his 2019 Tesla lost its bumper. The Tesla fan described it as a hurricane despite the footage showing Fords and Toyotas driving through the same rain.
@@dunhillsupramk3 as somebody who considers buying a tesla in a few years, but definitely not a fanboy (have been called a troll in their pages just for asking or stating some facts...) tesla's problem with bettery fires is minescule at this point, to the point if i remember correctly from a study, bmw has more fires per car sold than tesla (compared to tesla's latest cars (i think from 2016 onwards...). It most definitely didnt help tesla all the news cycles about them when there was a single fire it stayed in the news for a long time while the rest carmakers almost arent even named in similar cases...
On the quaity control on cosmetcis and on the gaps and fit and finish they are still terrible even though they suposedly fixed some stuff.. but definitely not get a tesla if that will annoy you... I drive na old audi atm and i relly dont care much that my drivers door is hanging a centimeter lower than the rest panels around it... so i think i might just look over that fact if i go for a tesla.
But their mechanical work is great. Drivetrain is just great on the later models (there were again problems with some versions, but even those needed replacing the motor for example after 150k miles which isnt terrible (but still bad).
On the other hand all of my experience with rovers (through friends) was that they are extremely nice to sit in or look at, but when sth breaks u got to pay your ass off just to do the same in 3 weeks for the same problem...
@@pasmas3217 I'm just going to buy a mach-e.
Guys reflecting you like the car, regretfully you are going to be on a rocky ride ( no pun intended) As a Brit we are proud of this iconic brand, however I would not trust them to make a Yorkshire Pudding. The best of luck to you
I picked up my brand new 2020 Defender this month on the 12th. Before I even left the dealership parking lot my FM radio and Blutooth music from my iPhone had frequent static. I also discovered when I got home my map on the navigation wasn't working. I brought the car in the very next day and picked it up 2 days later. They were suppose to install the air compressor while they were fixing the radio and navigation but that never came in. I now discovered that there is no air blowing at my feet when I have that option chosen from the air conditioning. So now, once again, the car will eventually have to go back to the dealership.
I bought this car banking on the reputation of the Defender knowing the reputation of Land Rover. I wanted to fall in love with this car but, with such a new relationship, I feel like I've already been betrayed by it. People that don't know me (i.e. strangers) give me compliments on my Defender. Everyone else that knows about the issues I'm having with this car just tell me, "I told you so". Dam, I should have gotten a Rubicon or waited for the new Bronco.
This has been one of the main reasons why I’ve always hesitated getting a Land Rover/Range Rover.
I really appreciate your honest reporting of your experiences.
Love scrolling down through the comments for a good laugh...
Those oh-so-unfair-stereotypes do exist for a reason.
Car dealers are racist against non-youtubers? that stereotype?
on point .. i had one. awful experience
@@calholli I think he is referring to the reliability stereotype of the landy's...
Landrover had year’s of development time to perfect this vehicle. How is it possible that LR launched a overland off-roader that’s suppose to take you to the most remote part of Earth with underline technical issues.?
I love your reporting TFL!!
They said they would take you to the ends of the Earth but they never said they would take you back home!
Mine:
- persistent low battery warning - back to LR three times and still not fixed; car with LR now
- centre screen intermittently not coming on - software update
- noise from around A pillar - door mirror not fitted properly
- forward collision warning not working - back to LR twice and still not fixed
- media USB cutting out - defective socket replaced
- locking wheel nut adapter missing - new one (would have been totally screwed if I'd had a puncture - apparently they can't tell which of the 16 or so adapters fits a particular vehicle without physically trying them
- cameras intermittently not working - car now with LR
- squeeks from driver's door over even small road defects - door rubbing against its seal; silicone lubricant fixed it but surely the body should not flex so much so easily
As things go, until new year you will write a full novel
Might not want to take it off road...
@@JudokaEric not to mention the actual examples, when, in this piece of sh.t the brakes literally failed, when climbing up the hill and the guy was lucky to survive falling back..
Lemon law send it back if you have to fix the same thing 3 times its a lemon they have to take it back and refund the purchased price
You bought a crappy Land Rover what on earth did you expected from the most unreliable automaker???
Of course it brakes down all the time, didn’t you know anything about cara before getting this???
In Australia we have an old saying, "if you want to go bush take a Land Rover, if you want to come back take a Land Cruiser"
Why?
Toyotas are not especially reliable. One of the latest dependability study, suggests Toyota (as a brand) suffers 136 faults per 100 cars (2019) with Land Rover at a (not much worse) 142.
@@Clavinovaman not sure i agree, i mean look at the UN, and all the less agreeable factions in Africa and the middle east, they all drive the Landcruiser, my experience with the 80 series Landcruiser compared to my Landrover Vogue means i would pick the Toyota every time
@@dixinormous8539 Well. that was based on 400,000 cars. Its not a question of agreeing or not as those are faults recorded. And this study is different to many of the myriad surveys that assess opinion. This is the faults recorded. Interestingly, the previous years study, shows Toyota with 109 faults per 100 cars, with Land Rover at 169. Toyota's in the last 18 months have shown a notable increase in recorded faults. Look forward to the 2020 study at the end of the year and my instinct is that Toyota will record a similar fault record to 2019.
But. many congratulations that yours is fault free.
Here's what really happened. It set the codes , you brought it in . The dealership didn't know what was wrong but found re flashes available. Did those and now the cameras don't work. Possibly didn't go through all the procedures for the flash or now the cameras need re calibration. Also the re flashing software update could have been flawed. Brand new vehicle, techs need training on.
Here’s what happen from a actual dealer tech’s perception , customer brings in brand new vehicle with check engine light. Tech checks codes, follows diagnostic procedures set by manufacturer. Procedures indicate to update PCM to latest calibration, which automatically clears codes, test drive vehicle, recheck for codes, if no codes present to release vehicle. All procedures I’m sure we’re followed and released vehicle to customer. Now, a new issue, likely caused by the reflash appears. A symptom driven search was done by tech, and no information is currently available for the given symptom. As per normal procedure, the tech writes into the engineers and get a written response from them. Tech does what he’s told. Problem is not fixed. And there is no known fix at this point in time. Engineers are working on a solution to the problem, as per engineers, release vehicle to customer until a fix is found for the issue. And just a little FYI, the tech’s are trained via web based and in person training, months before the vehicle is ever even release to the public for sale.
@@jklpino Nice post, got it in one. All this extra complexity isn't just on cars, it's virtually every device that has computer control. It all started on engine emission control but now has gone completely overboard. I work on photocopiers, timing for paper exit or jam conditions are crazy now. Designers are trying to make things far more complicated than is necessary. Why, is the question I would really like to know?
@@tonypacke6954 that’s just the way things are going. Everyone wants more. No one is satisfied.
@@jklpino heres my background. 42 years as a dealership master technician. What you said is good except for the fact that they drove it 36 miles or so and never said anything about the cameras not working? You think they never put it in reverse? They should have told them up front that they weren't working. It seems like TFL noticed the first time they put it in reverse. I've programmed plenty of computers and camera systems, lane keep assist systems with targets and cameras aimed at them. I think they didn't communicate to them that after the reflash the cameras quit working and they were looking into it. I've talked to Nissan engineers many times .they don't get back to you immediately. Usually 24 hours.
Can’t help but fondly think of how our Land Cruiser hasn’t had a single CEL in thirteen years.
Every time I see one on the road I think “sucker”
Unless that's the only defender at the dealership, I'm Surprised they didn't just pull a module from another car sitting on the lot
Because they have to leave the other faulty modules in to disappoint other new Defender owners...
@@ndadson 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 JLR masochists
LR are a joke in the UK too.
Because they knew it would not fix the problems, and then they would have to admit it is just a bad design, life with it.
Considering the cameras where working before it came in I suspect they swapped their module with the faulty one to use the good one for someone else needing one. Rob peter to pay Paul.
A hard reboot means they not sure whats wrong with it.
Classic turn it off and on again
Like the IT guy at work......"try reboot, tank you come again"
Hope and prey it somehow fixes itself. Hate it when dealers do this. It just makes the customer feel like they fixed something.
Im a tech for Land Rover and this is very typical. lots of defenders in the shop right now
Ummmm. Maybe not a Good thing lol
Changing ignition coils to figure out what is wrong is a driveway repair, not a dealership repair, my god! Crap cars!
You think they put a little duct tape on them just to keep those coils on
Or it's a smart diagnostic procedure to rule out ignition coil failure. If the ignition coils on cylinder 2 and 3 move to say, cylinder 1 and 4, and the codes move with them, then they can determine the ignition coils are faulty.
I don't get the point of the defender, originally it's appeal was that it was a basic go anywhere 4x4, and could be maintained cheaply and easily, hence why a lot of farmers had them. But this one is loaded with gadgets and tech, so who is it aimed at, certainly not farmers and the like. It's basically another luxury SUV from land rover.
I agree, to me its more like a modern replacement for the original Range Rover concept.
Yes - "proper" land rover kind of stopped at the 300tdi (although the TD5 can be a nice motor but needs an ecu).
Suzuki jimney is the new defender
The same as the G series and LC200. They're nothing but status symbols now.
@@TheYBGOON maybe, but is it smaller than the original defender
JLR stands for what you hear at the dealership-“Just Leave it, Roman”
Because Roman is such a common name.
Just least reliable
What a reliable company, and not even a courtesy vehicle.
My Subaru diesel has 180K km, when there is an oil change - the only reason to go to the garage - they offer me a nice hardly new courtesy vehicle. For free.
I am so glad I came across your video. I want to thank you for potentially saving me hundreds of thousands (rands) in the "near" future. I was supposed to take delivery of my vehicle today, but called them and canceled. the beauty of you tube.
When you buy a defender, you defend the laughter from your friends too.
2 Defenders may be needed for TFL....rotating trips to the dealership???
I love how in 2020, not having a back up camera is a safety issue. How ever did we survive without them? It was utter anarchy! Love the channel guys!
My Dad is 91. How did he live so long, when cars in his day came with 1 brake light, (2nd brake light was an option) no turn signals, or seat belts, and only 1 side view mirror?
(One year anniversary of ownership) “On part 328 of our LONG running series on our new Land Rover, we go back to the dealership again where they ask us if our staff could attend the dealership Christmas party because they know us like we’re family...”