In college I had a 5.0 liter Fox-body Mustang and one of my roommates had a 1st gen Supra. We raced a lot back in the mid 80's. Mine was way faster, but only in a straight line. Some things never change, lol!
I mean they were practically the same around the track. I'm sure given another lap or 2 he could've slightly beat the supra. The Performance pack 2 GT beat the supra by a measurable margin though.
@@jamesengelsman9369 good call. Just wish you guys would swap cars during your test. Take the best overall times as the final test result. BTW...Good content !!
Jonathan Keith first let me finish my program in automotive technology & hybrid and then I’m thinking about moving, because rent here is $1000 for a 2 bedroom apartment.
Luis Santana Wow that’s ridiculous. My family and I left California. I’m paying about $375 a month here in Arkansas, at a decent apartment. Then again, it’s a small town. I don’t miss LA though. Too many stupid regulations. I can delete the cats in my Mustang here, and nobody cares.
@@jonathankeith524 I have quite a few friends that left California and regretted it. lol. CA is expensive and only has terrible policy if you are a car enthusiast, other than that, it's the best state to live in.
MIKE JOSHUA I have 3 mustangs and 2 of them get abused hard in terms of racing, one is pampered. The pampered one is a 1970 302, original motor and trans, original paint and interior, and after 50 years, it runs strong.
@@brenxbux If someone wants a gt350 or a Supra or whatever so badly they're willing to pay over list price who are you to point a gun at them and tell them they can't?
I really was thinking this Toyota Supra is going to be the one. I was disappointed to think that the Mustang wasn't that much slower on the track than the Toyota. And when you think value for bucks; the Mustang is a steal then. If the BMW components are typical, then in the future the plastic engine components will give the Toyota Supra expensive maintenance components compared to going to an Auto Car shop and buying parts for the Ford. I always consider that because I always look at new cars with the potential of buying them second hand in 4 years time.
When you’re talking about a difference of .12 seconds over an entire lap, it’s basically a tie. I mean, if the driver sneezes it’ll make that difference.
Marco Brancorsini I drive straight about 90% of the time and its fun as hell. But when I do get a chance to go in some corners I have fun as well. I get WAY more opportunities racing in a straight line then in the corners unless I go to a circuit lol
I like lap time charts as much as anyone, but you have to remember that test day temperatures matter a lot, making them a little hard to compare. He mentioned the crazy heat in this test more than once, and that will hurt lap times, especially in a turbocharged car. That said, you are absolutely right!
Chis Slidez depends on the track something short and curvy yea it’ll beat it but on a GT500 track with super long straightaways and banked corners the civic would run out of breath
These guys deserves to have the most subscribers of any automotive channel on UA-cam. Amazing production, they have real chemistry, they're not trying to be funny, they just are, and they know their stuff. Well done!
BabySnake20 It really nearly identical drag times. Look at the car community - Mustangs with A10 trans out trap Supras by 7-8mph and usually best their ETs by 0.3 -0.4. I love the Supra- but in a straight line- the 5.0L and A10 trans is walking away
rm125 yea, im not sayying that the mustang cant beat the supra in a drag race but for its power compared by both, the mustang was only walking the supra by not that much. They are both good cars tho
@@m3competitionracer788 Well the Mustang is a legend too, and provided that you get one with magneride and a torsen, it handles beautifully too. But I'm not disparaging the Supra at all, whichever if these two cars you get you won't regret it.
The supra is actually much closer to it's heritage, it's still a rwd, 6 cylinder, turbocharged, Japanese-ish, sports car. The mustang is a full blown sports car, not a muscle car anymore.
@@Michael-tm6vs That's a fair point I assume, on the other hand to me "muscle car" tends to mean sports car that relies on brutish power rather than weight reduction, aerodynamics and other perks. The Mustang certainly fits in that category. It's no longer the muscle car of old, meaning standard car with an oversized engine, unbalanced chassis and no handling of any kind, but that's a change for the better.
More reasons why I prefer you guys as reviewers these days. -You did auto vs auto unlike a lot of the others to do something similar. -You actually acknowledge that the engine is also used in the m240i (yes it's a slightly different revision,but almost nobody ever mentions this)
Great video guys! Love both performance machines. I walk away with more love for how good my type R does on the track capable and able to stand up against these behemoths from looking at your times listed. Type R 1:15.81 - Supra 1:15.06 - Mustang GT PP1 1:15.18.
What made you pick something front wheel drive though? To each their own, and as far as fwd cars go it seems like you'd need something crazy like a megane 275 or cupra R (neither of which we can get here if i remember correctly) to beat the civic on performance and price and feel. I just would never buy a fwd car if I could get a rwd one instead, so I was curious what made you choose it : p
@@jacobl6714 Just know, the Civic Type-R is faster than both of those on the track, while having a ton more cargo space, passenger space, and better fuel economy! Not to mention it's a riot to drive with one of the best manual systems on market, and the fantastic front seats. I can roll up to the track with my complete tool set and track tires, quick swap and go. You can't do that with a 'stang or Supra. FWD doesn't matter on the track, it's still a blast. And you're always the underdog because people are "hurdur FWD", until they realize how great the car is regardless.
Warhead Urban Exploration tbh honest throttle house is a BMW og, he introduced me to the V3 Sprint booster on his E46. Nothing wrong with being more influenced in BMW.
@Vinny Booboo Why *do* hairdressers like roadsters so much? I mean, I can't imagine it's terribly good for business if they show up to work looking like Boris Johnson.
Was it though? I don't even think that was a quarter mile and that mustang was gapping that supra. Video effects made it seem like it was close, but I think that mustang was cooking that supra
@@davej1212 id like to see trap speeds. Those mustangs just have too much more power and great gearing for straight line/highway pulls. Yes with small boltons ons a supra could close the gap on a shitstang, but those shitstangs also take bolton mods very very well also.
I almost bought a Mustang in 2017 and exterior wise this is the spec I wanted- blue w/ the performance pack wheels is 🔥. 😍 I would go cloth interior and manual trans though. 👍
I just bought pretty much that exact Mustang! Just with the Premium package and stitched seats and no spoiler. Man, save your pennies and get the basic GT, that engine will make you smile every day. I can't help but laugh a little bit everytime I put the peddle down.
Sav Kvd Don’t be a rookie. PP2 has cup tires, so aka not a true street tire. Meaning different class. You can put cup tires on a CTR and shave those 3 seconds
I'm Star lord legendary outlaw False. The ecoboost mustang pumps fake sounds thru the speaker. The mustang gt have a sound tube, from the intake manifold, that pumps induction sound to the cabin. Nothing electronic about it.
Both these cars are fantastic fun but I’m so glad I got a Mustang can’t beat that V8 it’s just golden on long weekend drives, fantastic vid as usual fellaz brilliant work
@Scammer Sanchez - It clearly wasn’t in drag mode. You can tell by the soft shifts. If it had been in drag mode it would have laid a set of short 11’s when it shifted from first to second.
That's because most if not all mustangs nowadays at the drag strip are modded this one was stock with the pp1 not the faster pp2, also the 2021 supra is faster than both mustang packages stock bc they improved the acceleration on the top end
you actually nail it with this video, i just to give you guys crap for the presentation of the video and the way you described cars but with this video you went straight to the point and actually nice thoughts in both cars. nothing more nothing less. cool. i guess you prove me wrong. what a twist....
The time difference between Mustang PP1 and PP2 also shows you how tires matter more than just about anything. Those cars are only slightly different suspension with the main difference being 255 & 275 MPS4S tires on PP1 vs 305 square Cup 2'S for the PP2 which makes a 3 second difference. That is a huge delta on a track this short. Lap times should always include tire type and size as well as model.
I just got a 2018 Mustang GT convertible performance pack one and it is awesome. It has Perelli P zero tires but other than that it’s stock. In drag race mode it chirps up to 6th gear. The moment you hit the throttle your thrown back in your seat. For the price of $28,00 used it’s a bargain.
This is the review we all wanted to see. Keep in mind that the Supra is realistically in GT350's price range. oh and TH: we need another time attack series.
Stats are the same.. I’m pretty sure the first release had the same amount of power if not really close they just claimed the numbers to be far lower to surprise the consumer and make the vehicle seem more impressive
Mr. TAMW what the hell are you on about. The autos are faster.....when it comes to the 18s. That’s what I’m sayin....an gt350 is stick so if the driver doesn’t know what he’s doing the Supra will win that’s all I’m sayin....
@@tylercouture216 Except it does matter. Theres a reason every high performance auto company puts almost exclusively automatic transmissions in their cars, because they are fucking faster.
@@Multihunter95bg dont start a war if you dont want casualties. Lets not act like Japan didnt cause millions of people to die by going to war. Hind sight is 20/20. How do you know America knew Japan was gonna surrender months later? Also why would they wait months if they planned on doing it when it literally took them days after the nukes? Why would the US spend the money man power and resources to keep sitting around waiting in the middle of a war for the enemy to maybe surrender?
how is it a bargain when even a used one with 20k miles cost more than the sticker price? youll be luck finding one at msrp let alone anything below 40k besides the pp2 mustang will beat it, and would destroy it on the straight by bus lengths, same goes for the supra.
@@letsroll2463 Except that they stick around the 37k range almost exclusively, where the hell do you live? Which is at least 10k below both a PP2 Mustang, as well as the Supra, if you can find one even close to MSRP. 10k less, for a car that faster than one of those, and only 2 seconds slower than the other... in a front wheel drive platform. By definition, that is a bargain. And imagine thinking straight line speed matters in the slightest, lmao
I dont like ford but you have to admit they have a far superior car... jesus christ i never thought Id say a mustang was better than a supra. Welp im gonna go cry and buy a stang.
@@brenxbux yeah bro. You have to understand ford Europe has been making badass cars for decades. Ford europe and US Ford were basically seperate companies. In 2011, because of the financial meltdown ford made the decision to basically share engineering. And develop one line of cars that they sell in all markets. When they made that decision a bunch of massive changes happened. They created coyote V8. The build quality, reliability, fuel economy and power massively improved. Any Ford from 2011 and up is actually really really good. Also around the same time Mitsubishi ended the evolution. Alot of the engineers from that project lost their jobs and were rehired by ford performance and GM. Those guys are a big part of why the cars are getting more like the JDM tuner cars and "European" and more performance oriented. Ford also restructured themself as a global company. And made some factories more specialised and that dramatically improved quality.
@@brenxbux I was a huge import guy but times have changed the America cars from 2011 up are amazing. The performance and value for money is great, but they are actually very well engineered and super easy to work on.
even with all the issues I had with my 15 mustang gt I miss it. Such a fun car and loved pretty much everything about it except the garbage mt82 transmission
Thien Phan @12:41 you can clearly see the lap times for the M2c and it kills that Supra... it all depends on the track! Supra for short and M2c for long.
Sorryimtruthful exactly my point, it’s not “far superior” at all. Yes I see the time stamps, but long track = horsepower, which the Supra needs more of. As far as cornering, it takes a dump on the m2c
I hope you guys read comments. I’ve been following for over a year now. Pre James era so probably closer to 2. You guys are easily the best car/car review channel out there. I personally don’t think it’s close. Keep the format it’s killing it obviously you’ve gained 600k+ since I sunbscribed. Maybe broaden/branch out a little into modification stuff? Just see how the response is. But mainly keep the blueprint you have, highly entertaining.
Unknown Person lmao!! No offense buddy but that is honestly one of the gayest sports cars out there. lil underpowered 2 seater. But hey, it’s a manual so that makes it manly right? Lol
Unknown Person It’s currently one of the gayest sports cars out there though. You know that right? 4 banger, 2 seater, little, extremely underpowered. But hey, the manual makes it manly right? Lol You even blew me a kiss to confirm your gayness. Lol. 😜 Got em...
Still debating on getting an M2 Comp or Supra, I love me a 5.0 but weight and tuning capabilities outweigh a loud V8 which is my only desire for American Muscle
All 3 cars weights between 1620-1680kg (mustang is the heaviest) so it isn't that big difference. M2C and supra are cheap to mod to get quite a lot of power, but you would probably get way more power out of that 5.0 with supercharger/turbo, but it would cost a lot. I would probably choose turbocharged miata :) but from those 3, probably mustang, just because of price.
@@Kocan7 the Supra and M2C are 3-400lbs (150kg) lighter than the Mustang, which is pretty significant. I'm not just going for raw power because I understand a whipple 5.0 would destroy any tuned Supra or M2C with stock internals, what I want is a powerful 10sec car that can also corner and handle well. That's why I rather own a 500hp 3400lbs car than a 700hp 3900lbs car
Thats a 100% valid choice. As a Mitsubishi fan, I have learned to value car companies that actually build durable engines that can last 3 decades instead of using crappy plastic everywhere that breaks down within 10 years of ownership. These reviewers really got down to the crux of it: the Mustang and Supra are very close with V8 NA to I6 Turbo, American vs German muscle. The Ford just simply cost way less and seats 4. And the Mustang has an optional manual transmission. Makes the inner jdm child within me crushed 😂😔
@My name is Steve Rogers its his opinion and if u compare it it sound realy good if u disagree u ubviously havent heard it in real life and when u say mustang i guess u mean the specifik one in the video othervise there is a hell lot of other older mustangs with totalt clean sound and if u wana have a clear sound on the newer ones (they are allready clear and if not and they are a bit fake as u say THEY FCKING SOUND GOOD ANYWAY BETTER THEN THE MOST CARS IN THE WORLD) just change rhe exhaust easy peasy so stop complain about other peapol thaughts just cus u are such a mustang hater everyone isnt
I never envisioned myself owning a Mustang, having grown up on 3 decades of imports, mainly VW/Porsche/Audi (including a modified 911 Turbo), but I’ve got a track-suited Mustang now also. Just for the sound I’d choose it over nearly anything else. Every drive is an uproarious great time. On a fun per dollar basis, it’s right there with a stellar sport bike. I don’t really have any attraction whatsoever to the Supra, especially given how unattractive is the styling.
This Mustang is bigger and heavier but still about just as fast in the hot lap competition! Nice job Ford! Great review guys!! Obviously they’ve just proved that the Mustang is definitely a “PERFORMANCE BARGAIN”!!!!
Mustang for sure took both. First, with the same tires on the Mustang as the Supra, it would easily shave off a second. Second, he done how many practice laps in the Supra? and 1 in the Mustang?
Germany and Japan against America I think I’ve seen this one before?
Germany and Japan against USSR mostly
Dan Neri so is the mustang Fat man and the camaro Little boy ?
@@6.2Slomaro Fat man and little boy. Dont be dumb
and the gt 500 will be the fat man that ends the war.
OMG so funny haha great time my dude 7.39/10 #AMERICA
You guys have hit your stride. The production quality and content is as good or better than motortrend was before they fell apart on UA-cam
Strunz0 Cars welcome to my channel
Hard to go back to any other car channel honestly, they really get it right indeed.
Yeah wtf happened to motortrend they used to have tons of view and now nobody watches them
Thanks, mate! Appreciate it, always great to know that the hard work is worth it
@@Jarmahent they wanted more money so they went to a subscription model. Dunno if thats working out for them or not though
In college I had a 5.0 liter Fox-body Mustang and one of my roommates had a 1st gen Supra. We raced a lot back in the mid 80's. Mine was way faster, but only in a straight line. Some things never change, lol!
I mean they were practically the same around the track. I'm sure given another lap or 2 he could've slightly beat the supra. The Performance pack 2 GT beat the supra by a measurable margin though.
@@1CoLoRz2 lap times this close is not about the car... it's about the driver.
@@rickmassey1272 I think you missed the point of my comment
@@1CoLoRz2 the supra also could've improved
@@jansonb482 Yes, but the point is they're "within the noise". They're so close they could've gone either way depending on the driver and such.
Dunno man, I remember last time Germany and Japan worked together, it didn't end well.
WWII
they barely did anything to help one another.
Yehh world war
Best comment on UA-cam
... 😆 lol
As everyone has said, you guys have filled the void left by Motor Trend. Thank you for this channel. Please keep doing what you’re doing
I'm glad they did auto to auto instead of what everyone else do auto to manual good channel 👍
Agreed...less chance for driver error effecting results
I think thats kind of a random thing. The companies will give them whatever car is available so some get manual mustangs and some get automatic ones
@@timonxDlol We purposefully sought out an auto to make it a match
@@jamesengelsman9369 good call. Just wish you guys would swap cars during your test. Take the best overall times as the final test result. BTW...Good content !!
@@ufarkingicehole Thomas is a superior driver to me. He's also a track instructor. My times wouldn't really help the science of it
Me: Wow badass cars! Let me go out and get myself one
Car insurance in California: I’m about to end this mans career
Leave California. You won’t regret it.
Jonathan Keith first let me finish my program in automotive technology & hybrid and then I’m thinking about moving, because rent here is $1000 for a 2 bedroom apartment.
Luis Santana Wow that’s ridiculous. My family and I left California. I’m paying about $375 a month here in Arkansas, at a decent apartment. Then again, it’s a small town. I don’t miss LA though. Too many stupid regulations. I can delete the cats in my Mustang here, and nobody cares.
@@jonathankeith524 What about when you go through emissions testing?
@@jonathankeith524 I have quite a few friends that left California and regretted it. lol. CA is expensive and only has terrible policy if you are a car enthusiast, other than that, it's the best state to live in.
For the money, I'll take the mustang. Lots more aftermarket part available too. plus, VEE EIGHT
Cylinders don't really matter that much now a days
Bolton's, tune and exhaust and the supra is going to slay fucking everything
Jan Baglan Paxton on the mustang and you’re beating zr1’s z06’s and 90 percent of all the other cars out there.
if you are really dumb, you will get mustang. it breaks once in 3 months. total trash. sold mine
MIKE JOSHUA I have 3 mustangs and 2 of them get abused hard in terms of racing, one is pampered. The pampered one is a 1970 302, original motor and trans, original paint and interior, and after 50 years, it runs strong.
You guys are a seriously underrated channel! Your content is awesome!
With the markups dealers are giving the new Supra, you could buy a GT350 and blow it out of the water on track too.
The way that they mark them up should be illegal but ofc in the US the laws are designed to help stealerships, not consumers.
Buying new is dumb anyway, so dont worry about it. Wait a couple years.
@@brenxbux If someone wants a gt350 or a Supra or whatever so badly they're willing to pay over list price who are you to point a gun at them and tell them they can't?
@@Morgorath30, I agree that buying new can be stupid, but that is what is killing off things that car guys love.
@@jahimuddin7380 nah. Enough dips buy new, always need the shinier thing.
Based on the info, it looks to me like the Mustang won. Cheaper price, more power, faster straight line, and can keep up with a Supra on the track.
sonicboom879 It's also a sexy looking car.
I really was thinking this Toyota Supra is going to be the one. I was disappointed to think that the Mustang wasn't that much slower on the track than the Toyota. And when you think value for bucks; the Mustang is a steal then. If the BMW components are typical, then in the future the plastic engine components will give the Toyota Supra expensive maintenance components compared to going to an Auto Car shop and buying parts for the Ford. I always consider that because I always look at new cars with the potential of buying them second hand in 4 years time.
Actually the Camaro SS 1LE. Faster all around and for alot less $$$.
@@JerseyMikeP The GT350 costs less than the 1LE and kills it on the track.
@@Haulass95gt no it doesn't 😂 1le is a 6-7k performance package and a 1ss with said 1le pack cost like 40k, a gt350 is like 65k+ lol
This channel is top notch. Feels like I'm watching top gear.
So informative, fun and quality. Keep it up guys!
When you’re talking about a difference of .12 seconds over an entire lap, it’s basically a tie. I mean, if the driver sneezes it’ll make that difference.
Nah. 12 is a lot of time when it comes to professional drivers.
@@MrSir-kj1gy these guys are far from pros
@GP_Motorsports heavier, cheaper, and better sounding. I have a PP2 GT and I absolutely love it
@GP_Motorsports one right turn and ur "mustang" is gonna be flipping in circles while u get smashed in the car and paralyzed
@@MrSir-kj1gy For professional drivers, in WAY faster cars, in this case, it doesn't really matter.
3:35 the thing we care about.
Thank you !
MVP
@@barbosaguzman6101 No, I care about track times. Going straight is no fun.
Marco Brancorsini I drive straight about 90% of the time and its fun as hell. But when I do get a chance to go in some corners I have fun as well. I get WAY more opportunities racing in a straight line then in the corners unless I go to a circuit lol
@@BoiFast I find straight line racing much less interesting.
"Im going to win this for Germany..
ahhh Japan!"
In WW2 Germany and Japan were comrades
@@user-sp2tm2iz9l BMW is German...
This is by far and away the best episode you guys have ever done!!. the presence of track telemetry and overall experience is perfect!!
In 2019 the Civic beats the Supra on a track. Imagine hearing that in the 90s
Gordon TheMan Civics were so much faster on track back then. Every countries know, except Americans.
The 90s weren’t any different. A 90s civic type r would destroy a supra around a track
I like lap time charts as much as anyone, but you have to remember that test day temperatures matter a lot, making them a little hard to compare. He mentioned the crazy heat in this test more than once, and that will hurt lap times, especially in a turbocharged car.
That said, you are absolutely right!
Goondindon graduated from elementary school yet?
Chis Slidez depends on the track something short and curvy yea it’ll beat it but on a GT500 track with super long straightaways and banked corners the civic would run out of breath
You guys are my favorite on the UA-cams. I'm going to come up to Canada and we are going to get some Tim Horton's.
Should have just said "I'll win this for the Axis of Power"
LMFAO 😂 I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING
These guys deserves to have the most subscribers of any automotive channel on UA-cam. Amazing production, they have real chemistry, they're not trying to be funny, they just are, and they know their stuff. Well done!
Amazing how the 2 cars y’all get end up being so close in performance yet quite a bit different on paper ,,, Good matchup!
Mustang by a mile. Faster, almost identical track times (with stock tires), looks better, has a back seat, and keeps $10k in your pocket.
$20k+, 100+ hp
Norwegian Blue almost identical drag times also.
BabySnake20 It really nearly identical drag times. Look at the car community - Mustangs with A10 trans out trap Supras by 7-8mph and usually best their ETs by 0.3 -0.4.
I love the Supra- but in a straight line- the 5.0L and A10 trans is walking away
That mileage tho
rm125 yea, im not sayying that the mustang cant beat the supra in a drag race but for its power compared by both, the mustang was only walking the supra by not that much. They are both good cars tho
So the Mustang is faster, more faithful to its heritage AND cheaper. Looks like we have a winner!
I would still buy the Supra....it’s a legend and it got better handling....on the race track the Supra kills the Mustang
@@m3competitionracer788 Well the Mustang is a legend too, and provided that you get one with magneride and a torsen, it handles beautifully too. But I'm not disparaging the Supra at all, whichever if these two cars you get you won't regret it.
The supra is actually much closer to it's heritage, it's still a rwd, 6 cylinder, turbocharged, Japanese-ish, sports car.
The mustang is a full blown sports car, not a muscle car anymore.
@@Michael-tm6vs Yeah and the street Racing history of the Supra is what makes her so interesting and attractive to me....it’s a JDM legend
@@Michael-tm6vs That's a fair point I assume, on the other hand to me "muscle car" tends to mean sports car that relies on brutish power rather than weight reduction, aerodynamics and other perks. The Mustang certainly fits in that category. It's no longer the muscle car of old, meaning standard car with an oversized engine, unbalanced chassis and no handling of any kind, but that's a change for the better.
You two make a better product than any other professional car review company. I just enjoy your take on these matters much more.
These cars remind me of the rivalry in fast and the furious between brian and Dom
Turbo inline 6 vs American V8
Just use a black scat pack challenger, and boom
You're right. I still like American Muscle
What a great way to start the day! :D
I feel the same way
Needed this comment. Thanks for sharing the positivity
Magnetorheological its 12midnight here😐
-Asia
Agreed! Carfans rejoice 🏆
More reasons why I prefer you guys as reviewers these days.
-You did auto vs auto unlike a lot of the others to do something similar.
-You actually acknowledge that the engine is also used in the m240i (yes it's a slightly different revision,but almost nobody ever mentions this)
Great video guys! Love both performance machines. I walk away with more love for how good my type R does on the track capable and able to stand up against these behemoths from looking at your times listed. Type R 1:15.81 - Supra 1:15.06 - Mustang GT PP1 1:15.18.
What made you pick something front wheel drive though? To each their own, and as far as fwd cars go it seems like you'd need something crazy like a megane 275 or cupra R (neither of which we can get here if i remember correctly) to beat the civic on performance and price and feel. I just would never buy a fwd car if I could get a rwd one instead, so I was curious what made you choose it : p
@@jacobl6714 Just know, the Civic Type-R is faster than both of those on the track, while having a ton more cargo space, passenger space, and better fuel economy! Not to mention it's a riot to drive with one of the best manual systems on market, and the fantastic front seats. I can roll up to the track with my complete tool set and track tires, quick swap and go. You can't do that with a 'stang or Supra. FWD doesn't matter on the track, it's still a blast. And you're always the underdog because people are "hurdur FWD", until they realize how great the car is regardless.
@@roguethrax who cares. On the street the Stang wins all day every day. Love racing Type Rs, so easy to beat! 🤣
Great review. Both great cars. This channel is blowing up! So proud of you guys.
You guys went from BMW fanboys to respectable car reviewers within a year.
Warhead Urban Exploration tbh honest throttle house is a BMW og, he introduced me to the V3 Sprint booster on his E46. Nothing wrong with being more influenced in BMW.
I've never been a BMW fanboy :) Porsche on the other hand...
@Vinny Booboo Ha. Well of course. Its just a bundle of fun :)
James Engelsman Porsche is king 💯
@Vinny Booboo Why *do* hairdressers like roadsters so much? I mean, I can't imagine it's terribly good for business if they show up to work looking like Boris Johnson.
The drag race was much closer than I thought it would be. That Supra is no joke.
clearly has a LOT more Hp and Torque than published, although Fords are usually over rated
Martin ScoCan the regular ford gt is much cheaper. the gt 500 is closer to the price the supras are going for
hertzer2000 it cost 10k more lmfao
Was it though? I don't even think that was a quarter mile and that mustang was gapping that supra. Video effects made it seem like it was close, but I think that mustang was cooking that supra
@@davej1212 id like to see trap speeds. Those mustangs just have too much more power and great gearing for straight line/highway pulls. Yes with small boltons ons a supra could close the gap on a shitstang, but those shitstangs also take bolton mods very very well also.
I just have to say, krown was such a relevant, great choice in sponsor, and the ad was perfectly delivered as well. Much appreciated!
That shot of the mustang at 1:40 really makes me wish I could afford that.
I almost bought a Mustang in 2017 and exterior wise this is the spec I wanted- blue w/ the performance pack wheels is 🔥. 😍 I would go cloth interior and manual trans though. 👍
Lmao same!
Hard work pays off. Just keep working hard. You will own one day.
I just bought pretty much that exact Mustang! Just with the Premium package and stitched seats and no spoiler. Man, save your pennies and get the basic GT, that engine will make you smile every day. I can't help but laugh a little bit everytime I put the peddle down.
@@R3LF13 I got everything you want but mines is Auto. I love my Mustang GT
Imagine telling someone 20 years ago that the 2019 Honda civic would beat both the Supra and the V8 Mustang at the track.
Arm Head Not the GT 350. Also depends on the track.
@@fullbattlerattle2493 The mustang has an engine more than twice as big!
@@robiulahmed Well the GT PP2 beat it by almost 3 seconds but regardless that's pretty impressive. The Type R is nothing to sleep on.
Put 18s with a nice tire and hondata on that type R then race the pp2 mustang!
Sav Kvd Don’t be a rookie. PP2 has cup tires, so aka not a true street tire. Meaning different class. You can put cup tires on a CTR and shave those 3 seconds
The Ford Mustang is just an iconic sexy looking sportscar with a brutal sounding V8.
False. Not in the Mustang
B dawk!
@My name is Steve Rogers lol, stop
And it’s quite the crowd killer
I'm Star lord legendary outlaw False.
The ecoboost mustang pumps fake sounds thru the speaker.
The mustang gt have a sound tube, from the intake manifold, that pumps induction sound to the cabin. Nothing electronic about it.
I wanna see supra Vs. Base C8
The c8 corvette will fucking DESTROY the supra😂
omg royalskyline
Are you kidding? The C8 will blow its doors off
Wtf kind of comparison 😂
That’s not a comparison. That’s just wanting to see the supra get tortured lol
I didn't know I wanted to see the mustang vs the supra until I saw this in my feed. I've also never clicked a video faster!
I saw the C8 shirt and I had to have it. Keep up the good work guys.
Both these cars are fantastic fun but I’m so glad I got a Mustang can’t beat that V8 it’s just golden on long weekend drives, fantastic vid as usual fellaz brilliant work
i would take that supra over that mustang any day Mustangs are crap
@@ifyoutunnelyourass3821 bmw is crap good luck better keep your warranty
@@sryofcrwsntme9517 m5 cs says otherwise.
@@wozerbozer4050 can’t corner
Great content guys keep it up I know this was older but still relevant Lovr to see you run z4 vs Supra
98.6% Likes to 1.6% dislikes. Throttle House is doing something right.
100.2% 🤔 I think u meant to say 1.4% not 1.6%
That mustang held back so much I've watched it drag race before it jumps off the line like an actual drag car
It prob was not in drag mode.
@Scammer Sanchez - It clearly wasn’t in drag mode. You can tell by the soft shifts. If it had been in drag mode it would have laid a set of short 11’s when it shifted from first to second.
*this channel also promote cars too so they have to make it so the Supra is as fast as the mustang.*
Drag mode ACTIVATE
That's because most if not all mustangs nowadays at the drag strip are modded this one was stock with the pp1 not the faster pp2, also the 2021 supra is faster than both mustang packages stock bc they improved the acceleration on the top end
you actually nail it with this video, i just to give you guys crap for the presentation of the video and the way you described cars but with this video you went straight to the point and actually nice thoughts in both cars. nothing more nothing less. cool.
i guess you prove me wrong. what a twist....
The time difference between Mustang PP1 and PP2 also shows you how tires matter more than just about anything. Those cars are only slightly different suspension with the main difference being 255 & 275 MPS4S tires on PP1 vs 305 square Cup 2'S for the PP2 which makes a 3 second difference. That is a huge delta on a track this short. Lap times should always include tire type and size as well as model.
How come this channel hasn’t reach a million subscribers yet?!!
Your channel is the best and you alway cheer me up! Keep up the great work guys!
Thanks hombre! Stay spikey
Nice job. Two cars that I’d love to see in my driveway, both go like hell. I like the Supra more every time I see one! That V8 though 🤤
Mike Honcho welcome to my channel
Yup, specially in person.. :D
I just got a 2018 Mustang GT convertible performance pack one and it is awesome. It has Perelli P zero tires but other than that it’s stock. In drag race mode it chirps up to 6th gear. The moment you hit the throttle your thrown back in your seat. For the price of $28,00 used it’s a bargain.
This is the review we all wanted to see. Keep in mind that the Supra is realistically in GT350's price range.
oh and TH: we need another time attack series.
Yeah I know
1000 times better car review channel than thestraightpipes
The Stang is such a better value. It's a crying shame the Supra didn't come with a 6 speed manual. Love the Vette shirt.
So, when C8 is out, are either of these cars relevant? Should outperform them both on speed and value
hellario2 daily driving these would be relevant (more the stang tho)
Would love to see this again with the ‘21 supra and 47 more horses.
Stats are the same.. I’m pretty sure the first release had the same amount of power if not really close they just claimed the numbers to be far lower to surprise the consumer and make the vehicle seem more impressive
I want to see a
Ford Mustang 350R
VS
Toyota Supra M
Mike Arredondo there is a race between the 350 and the supra (the supra wins)
Matt Gomez yea auto vs stick tho....also add modded vs stock.
@@trey1215 auto vs stick does not matter why do people say that you probably also say new autos lose less power to the wheels then manuals
Mr. TAMW what the hell are you on about. The autos are faster.....when it comes to the 18s. That’s what I’m sayin....an gt350 is stick so if the driver doesn’t know what he’s doing the Supra will win that’s all I’m sayin....
@@tylercouture216 Except it does matter. Theres a reason every high performance auto company puts almost exclusively automatic transmissions in their cars, because they are fucking faster.
Often times tires are EVERYTHING. Hence why so many shady manufacturers use racing tires on the ring then try to hide it COUGH*NISSANGTR*COUGH
Last time Japan and Germany collaborated things didn't go so well. America also responded pretty loudly last time too.
@@Multihunter95bg too bad they can't respond with a new midengine Lada
favorite comment so far
@@Multihunter95bg actually US responded louder...just ask Japan
@@Multihunter95bg ?
@@Multihunter95bg dont start a war if you dont want casualties. Lets not act like Japan didnt cause millions of people to die by going to war. Hind sight is 20/20. How do you know America knew Japan was gonna surrender months later? Also why would they wait months if they planned on doing it when it literally took them days after the nukes? Why would the US spend the money man power and resources to keep sitting around waiting in the middle of a war for the enemy to maybe surrender?
You guys have such an incredible channel, I love it. Keep up the good work Throttle House.
You could get a mustang GT PP2 for the price of the Supra and beat it in all aspects
Aleks I’ve seen fully pp2 mustang gts go for 46k here in California that’s still a few thousand dollars cheaper
Either way, you level the price point playing field, and the Supra comes up wanting. It's something that makes this shameless Mustang Fanboy happy.
@Der König no thats the ugliest thing I've seen Chevy make
@@F90ronny63 nah it's still better then a 92 Camaro
@James Berk - What's the point in owning a car if you never drive it? 6k miles in 22 years? It's a third gen F-body not a '60's Ferrari
Both, very quick cars!!
The new Mustangs are fast on the highway!
I love Japanese cars but have a soft spot for Mustangs. You guys are kicking butt!
What have we learned? The CTR is a performance bargain
Haha yup!
how is it a bargain when even a used one with 20k miles cost more than the sticker price? youll be luck finding one at msrp let alone anything below 40k besides the pp2 mustang will beat it, and would destroy it on the straight by bus lengths, same goes for the supra.
@@letsroll2463 Except that they stick around the 37k range almost exclusively, where the hell do you live? Which is at least 10k below both a PP2 Mustang, as well as the Supra, if you can find one even close to MSRP. 10k less, for a car that faster than one of those, and only 2 seconds slower than the other... in a front wheel drive platform. By definition, that is a bargain.
And imagine thinking straight line speed matters in the slightest, lmao
The much faster ss 1le can be had under 40k pretty commonly, CTR is a performance bargain, ss 1le is a better one.
fikes73 what’s a CTR?
7:18 that’s pretty amazing. The Supra deserves some car chase scenes in movies for sure lol
Glad you did the comparo auto to auto. I am pleased the mustang offers a legit stick as an option, you know, for extra driving fun.
Such a cheeky t-shirt. I love it 🙌
"Win this for Germany, uh- Japan," made me laugh aloud.
I just picked up a 2020 gt pp1. 6 speed tho. I only have 500 miles behind the wheel but so far I'm in love.
I was like hmmm which do I like more... Then you revved the Mustang. You had me at V8!
Great watch though!
Can get a slightly used Premium manual GT for 30 grand with 5k miles. Or go buy a marked up 80 grand zupra. Your choice.
Supra
Yeah? In 2 years the supra will still hold its value better and will look better too
I have an ‘18 Mustang GT with the PP1 and 10 speed. It’s fast. Great commuter car.
Great video guys! I’m so glad you mentioned you also did a lap with the windows up in the Mustang!
What’s not to like about a mustang? Love that blue!
Facts it's such an awesome car
I dont like ford but you have to admit they have a far superior car... jesus christ i never thought Id say a mustang was better than a supra. Welp im gonna go cry and buy a stang.
@@brenxbux yeah bro. You have to understand ford Europe has been making badass cars for decades. Ford europe and US Ford were basically seperate companies. In 2011, because of the financial meltdown ford made the decision to basically share engineering. And develop one line of cars that they sell in all markets. When they made that decision a bunch of massive changes happened. They created coyote V8. The build quality, reliability, fuel economy and power massively improved.
Any Ford from 2011 and up is actually really really good.
Also around the same time Mitsubishi ended the evolution. Alot of the engineers from that project lost their jobs and were rehired by ford performance and GM. Those guys are a big part of why the cars are getting more like the JDM tuner cars and "European" and more performance oriented.
Ford also restructured themself as a global company. And made some factories more specialised and that dramatically improved quality.
@@brenxbux I was a huge import guy but times have changed the America cars from 2011 up are amazing. The performance and value for money is great, but they are actually very well engineered and super easy to work on.
even with all the issues I had with my 15 mustang gt I miss it. Such a fun car and loved pretty much everything about it except the garbage mt82 transmission
Can you do a BMW M2 competition vs the Toyota Supra 2020 track test? :D
obviously the M2C will be far superior...
Maybe but I just want to see more M2 content 8-)
ArmanE46 no it’s not. Check out Jackie dings video and other reviewers 🤣
Thien Phan @12:41 you can clearly see the lap times for the M2c and it kills that Supra... it all depends on the track! Supra for short and M2c for long.
Sorryimtruthful exactly my point, it’s not “far superior” at all. Yes I see the time stamps, but long track = horsepower, which the Supra needs more of. As far as cornering, it takes a dump on the m2c
These new cars are so amazing, they are both great platforms for building a great project or just drive stock.
I hope you guys read comments. I’ve been following for over a year now. Pre James era so probably closer to 2. You guys are easily the best car/car review channel out there. I personally don’t think it’s close.
Keep the format it’s killing it obviously you’ve gained 600k+ since I sunbscribed. Maybe broaden/branch out a little into modification stuff? Just see how the response is. But mainly keep the blueprint you have, highly entertaining.
I’m so glad you made this video!
CTR still holding up strong.
Dang that 5.0 is fast! 😱
Finally some car racing for the average human. Thank you guys for sharing your awesome existance with the rest of us.
As much as I love Supra, in this case I'd take the Mustang GT.
Unknown Person
Lmao 😂
Unknown Person autos are faster. Get over it
Unknown Person what do you drive?
Unknown Person lmao!! No offense buddy but that is honestly one of the gayest sports cars out there. lil underpowered 2 seater. But hey, it’s a manual so that makes it manly right? Lol
Unknown Person
It’s currently one of the gayest sports cars out there though. You know that right? 4 banger, 2 seater, little, extremely underpowered. But hey, the manual makes it manly right? Lol
You even blew me a kiss to confirm your gayness. Lol. 😜
Got em...
“Win this for German uhhh japan” XD I loved that
The Axis Powers have entered the chat.
Still debating on getting an M2 Comp or Supra, I love me a 5.0 but weight and tuning capabilities outweigh a loud V8 which is my only desire for American Muscle
All 3 cars weights between 1620-1680kg (mustang is the heaviest) so it isn't that big difference.
M2C and supra are cheap to mod to get quite a lot of power, but you would probably get way more power out of that 5.0 with supercharger/turbo, but it would cost a lot.
I would probably choose turbocharged miata :) but from those 3, probably mustang, just because of price.
@@Kocan7 the Supra and M2C are 3-400lbs (150kg) lighter than the Mustang, which is pretty significant. I'm not just going for raw power because I understand a whipple 5.0 would destroy any tuned Supra or M2C with stock internals, what I want is a powerful 10sec car that can also corner and handle well. That's why I rather own a 500hp 3400lbs car than a 700hp 3900lbs car
@@LeJunny I found 1620kg figure, weird, if it is 150kg lighter it's a lot.
I had the same choice, liked the Supra more so I bought it.
Id go for the m2 competition , looks good (subjective), has decebt power stock, amazing tuning capabilities and far more practical than the supra
Have you seen that this Supra steering wheel has some wearing marks already where Thomas puts his left thumb? 6:03
for the price difference and aftermarket support, I'd take the Ford all day....and I like Subaru so that's hard to say. lol
Thats a 100% valid choice. As a Mitsubishi fan, I have learned to value car companies that actually build durable engines that can last 3 decades instead of using crappy plastic everywhere that breaks down within 10 years of ownership. These reviewers really got down to the crux of it: the Mustang and Supra are very close with V8 NA to I6 Turbo, American vs German muscle.
The Ford just simply cost way less and seats 4. And the Mustang has an optional manual transmission. Makes the inner jdm child within me crushed 😂😔
We live in a world now where a stock Honda Civic Type R is faster around a track than a Toyota/BMW Supra. What a concept!! 😂😭
9:10 omg those birds! if I was the camera man right there I would've creamed my jeans with a shot like that
I like how you show the full laps. It's as close as I'll get to driving some of these cars.
Mustang looks good love the sound
it looks thick and boxy.
@My name is Steve Rogers its his opinion and if u compare it it sound realy good if u disagree u ubviously havent heard it in real life and when u say mustang i guess u mean the specifik one in the video othervise there is a hell lot of other older mustangs with totalt clean sound and if u wana have a clear sound on the newer ones (they are allready clear and if not and they are a bit fake as u say THEY FCKING SOUND GOOD ANYWAY BETTER THEN THE MOST CARS IN THE WORLD) just change rhe exhaust easy peasy so stop complain about other peapol thaughts just cus u are such a mustang hater everyone isnt
Supra all the way boisss
@UA-camIsTheEnemy OfFreedomOfSpeech I'm only 17 so I'm driving my dad's Corvette rn
@UA-camIsTheEnemy OfFreedomOfSpeech dont got a car yet
Definitely a battle the supra should win just because of how much it cost.
yea by milliseconds
On the same tyres the Mustang would be quicker, looks much better and is a fair bit cheaper.
Track Time Videos aahhhmmm... they were both on the same tires, genius.
@@carlmanu try again genius 😂. The Supra is on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup2s. The Mustang is on Michelin Pilot Sport4s.
Track Time Videos lol the supra doesn’t come with Cup 2s, they are 4s. Look it up.
9:09 That shot tho
I'm in love with the Mustang GT, Camaro ZL1, and Challenger R/T this are my 3 dream Sport Cars
I never envisioned myself owning a Mustang, having grown up on 3 decades of imports, mainly VW/Porsche/Audi (including a modified 911 Turbo), but I’ve got a track-suited Mustang now also. Just for the sound I’d choose it over nearly anything else. Every drive is an uproarious great time. On a fun per dollar basis, it’s right there with a stellar sport bike. I don’t really have any attraction whatsoever to the Supra, especially given how unattractive is the styling.
Brian Scott the sound puts a smile on my face every time I go for a drive in mine. Sometime I even let the neighbours sleep.
your right, that grill is stone ugly. reminds me of the edsel grill.
The Mustang GT is a bargain! That’s why I have a brand new 2019! I love it!
That mustang is awesome but idk what it is but the Supra just looks so much more fun
You guys always make me laugh...my absolute favorite car reviews!!
Didnt even mention the GT350? it was updated and the same price for crying out loud. Still Great fun and an interesting video!
It would have SHREDDED the Supra no contest. That's why no mention lol
@@roboticvenom1935 gt350 only comes in manual. And it would beat both of these cars, not sure where the "so slow" comment is coming from.
@@49rs1fan Sure? It costs 60k and it takes a great driver to manage the manual around a tight track.
Mustang will always be my favorite i don’t care what car come out
go search these guys BabaYaga Racing.. you gonna change your mind real quick lol
Anything manufactured by ford I adore
A I see more mopar wrecks than anything let’s just stop
Mustang 5.0 over Supra any day!!
This Mustang is bigger and heavier but still about just as fast in the hot lap competition! Nice job Ford! Great review guys!! Obviously they’ve just proved that the Mustang is definitely a “PERFORMANCE BARGAIN”!!!!
THAT LAST LINE WHEN HE SAID, "I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WILL BE RIOTING YET" doesn't look good as of today...
*The Mustang GT is definitely a Dream Car.*
Mustang for sure took both. First, with the same tires on the Mustang as the Supra, it would easily shave off a second. Second, he done how many practice laps in the Supra? and 1 in the Mustang?
Exactly what I thought, he was already doing laps on the Supra, so he was already used to it
i heard 2 f&f references: 3:26 brians first race -"you're gonna win, I'm gonna win"
4:32 - 'muscle beats import every time'