The Most Savage Payback Machine of WW2

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  • Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
  • In late August, in the intense heat of the North African desert in northwestern Egypt, Leutnant Werner Schröer of the Luftwaffe's Fighter Wing 27, one of Germany's newest aces, was on a patrol mission with his wingman.
    At the time, the atmosphere in North Africa was intense, with Allied and Axis forces locked in a fierce struggle for control of the region and the Luftwaffe playing a key role.
    Suddenly, the duo encountered a P-40 from the Royal Australian Air Force. Aboard was none other than Clive Caldwell, Australia's greatest ace.
    Schröer, the aggressive tactician, dove into the fray, locking onto Caldwell's P-40. As they both spiraled through the sky, each maneuvering for the upper hand, a duel of two of the world’s greatest pilots began.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 158

  • @glennedgar5057
    @glennedgar5057 Місяць тому +55

    In early part of WW2 on the south pacific front the p40, was thought to be inferior to the zero. The Australian airforce pilots from the Desert War were able to show the far eastern pilots how to fight the zero using the P40. This knowledge saved port Moresby and Darwin.
    This a story that needs to be told

    • @christophercook723
      @christophercook723 Місяць тому +1

      @@glennedgar5057 Tactics were developed to fight the Zero and all USA fighters were much improved throughout the war the engine power in particular.

  • @tommy-er6hh
    @tommy-er6hh Місяць тому +30

    After the war:
    Schröer was kept in British custody until 7 February 1946.
    Initially he worked as a Taxicab driver in Frankfurt to help finance his family.
    At the same time, he attended university attaining a Master of Business Administration.
    Then with his family, he then lived and worked in Rome, Italy for eleven years.
    Prior to his retirement, he held the position of head of the central protocol department with Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm in Ottobrunn.
    Schröer died on 10 February 1985 in Ottobrunn, aged 66.

  • @tomeickhorst6787
    @tomeickhorst6787 Місяць тому +71

    It’s important to remember all of the people that fought the war. THOSE WHO DO NOT STUDY HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT

    • @jamesbutler1029
      @jamesbutler1029 Місяць тому +4

      Yerp, populism is certainly on the rise

    • @learninghowtodothis8062
      @learninghowtodothis8062 Місяць тому +5

      Agreed-- and unfortunately it seems that we are likely already doing that very thing.

    • @tootired76
      @tootired76 Місяць тому +5

      Men fought bravely on all sides believing that they were protecting their homelands. Doesn't make them bad people!

    • @tomeickhorst6787
      @tomeickhorst6787 Місяць тому +3

      @@tootired76 you are absolutely right. But there were some bad people on all sides that did horrible stuff to the other side and civilians

    • @boyfromblackstuff7859
      @boyfromblackstuff7859 Місяць тому

      ​@@jamesbutler1029"populism" ,a reaction to international socialism?AKA Communism.

  • @jeffslade1892
    @jeffslade1892 Місяць тому +11

    Small issue, the Benghazi raid (Benina airfield) by Allied bombers was 6 January 1942, before the US arrived in Morocco in the November (Operation Torch), around the time of the second battle of El-Alamein. Allied participants were Commonwealth - british, australian, canadian and south african, the yanks had not arrived. The arrived in Northern Ireland on 26 January 1942 but were almost a year before they got into action.

  • @frozencanary4522
    @frozencanary4522 Місяць тому +5

    Always informative 👍.

  • @DavidMScott-cs8pp
    @DavidMScott-cs8pp Місяць тому +2

    Remember the BF 109 had two 20mm cannons as well as two 8mm machine guns. The P40s in Australian livery had two 50 and two 30 cal guns and limited ammo (380 rds) each for the 50s

    • @gkauto1959
      @gkauto1959 Місяць тому +2

      yes, the 109 did have 2 20mm cannons, but that was only the e model; the f- 4 variant that was designed for the desert had only the 1 20mm cannon and the 2 machine guns in the cowling, so for armament, the p40 comes out ahead, yet the 109f- 4 tropical could out maneuver the p40 and Was the better dogfighter overall.

    • @markr.1984
      @markr.1984 26 днів тому

      @@gkauto1959 All Bf-109 F4s had only one 20mm cannon in the nose. Not just the ones designed for the desert.

  • @mattclark6246
    @mattclark6246 Місяць тому +5

    This is why you don't mess with the Aussie from Australia they fought just as hard as the RAF during WW2 from Africa to the south Pacific
    A lot of Aussie pilots went rouge but also trained the RAF pilots to fight like them as well in WW2 especially from the battle of Britain to battle of Africa
    You can also find this other video under yarn hub YT channel & simple history as well
    They all share the same exact info together about WW2 history and beyond
    🕊️ Of ✌️

    • @richardl772
      @richardl772 Місяць тому +7

      Think you mean rogue……..rouge is a type of makeup.

  • @selkirk57
    @selkirk57 Місяць тому +14

    Is the thumbnail picture from WW1? That sure looks like a biplane with WW1 German markings.

    • @12345NoNamesLeft
      @12345NoNamesLeft Місяць тому +4

      It's made of metal. I think the WW1 planes were wood and cloth.

    • @JamesBurris340
      @JamesBurris340 Місяць тому +6

      Lots of bi-planes flew during WW2, fielded by every country fighting.
      The Fairey Swordfish was credited with the damage to the Bismarck, that led to the Germans losing their pride and joy battle ship.
      They still served a purpose, and some did it quite well...

    • @jaberjay191
      @jaberjay191 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@12345NoNamesLeft Irish linin

    • @michaelchristiansen1497
      @michaelchristiansen1497 Місяць тому +1

      It appears to be an Albatross. Yes, that would be WW1.

    • @isaiahgarcia5563
      @isaiahgarcia5563 Місяць тому +1

      Uh my guy the thumbnail is a 109

  • @BTWAIDS
    @BTWAIDS Місяць тому +2

    Can't imagine how scary it would be to fly your first time, while learning back in WWII. No simulators, or driving instructors.

  • @jeremygalloway1348
    @jeremygalloway1348 Місяць тому +4

    Savage bro...straight savage!

  • @ssnerd583
    @ssnerd583 Місяць тому +2

    The man had more lives than a colony of cats....the greatest skill was staying alive in such an atmosphere

  • @harryzero1566
    @harryzero1566 Місяць тому +6

    Plugging financial ponzi schemes on a tubers comments column is despicable.

  • @9traktor
    @9traktor Місяць тому +2

    Brave and decent german airman. "Right or wrong - my country!"

  • @peteacher52
    @peteacher52 Місяць тому +1

    That's something we were never told at school!

  • @GuitarTherapy144
    @GuitarTherapy144 Місяць тому +13

    Australian ace, well thats interesting

  • @johninnh4880
    @johninnh4880 Місяць тому +3

    Quite the resume! Talented young man.

  • @geordiedog1749
    @geordiedog1749 Місяць тому +1

    Does anyone know the quote about there being a dead wingman for every Experten kill? I heard it once but I can’t remember it exactly.

  • @AndyL922
    @AndyL922 Місяць тому +5

    I wouldn't call the death of a murderous Nazi pilot on his own plane's tail "tragic." How many lives were saved by that?

    • @richardsimpson3792
      @richardsimpson3792 Місяць тому +2

      He wasn't a Nazi...he was invited to join the party, but refused: his excuse being that the only parties he was interested in were those hosted by pretty girls. He often went awol, sometimes for days at a time, and was inevitably found in someone else's bed!
      Having met Hitler, he said he was 'odd'. He enjoyed playing jazz piano: jazz was 'unacceptable' in the eyes of the Nazis.
      He was also much troubled by the deaths of the pilots he downed, and would fly over their bases and drop sympathy notes, identifying the crash sites etc.
      He was actually of French descent, and probably would have been far more comfortable fighting for the allies.
      I suspect most of his opponents would have shaken his hand, had they ever met him.

    • @AndyL922
      @AndyL922 Місяць тому +1

      @@richardsimpson3792 but...he was killing people that would have rather not have to have been there, and he was doing it for the Nazis, yes? If it hangs out with Nazis and kills people like a Nazi, it's a murderous Nazi. That he was also a womanizer is besides the point.

    • @jefferyroy2566
      @jefferyroy2566 Місяць тому

      ​@@richardsimpson3792Attempts to humanize or de-Nazify Marseille does not change the fact he fought on the wrong side. The horrific changes fascism wrought from its interwar origins in Italy during his childhood didn't give him pause when Hitler became Führer in 1934, the Nationalists overthrew the democratic government of Spain in 1936, or upon joining the Luftwaffe in 1938. Not only did his skills serve the wrong cause, he failed to live long enough to comprehend just how evil and cruel were the goals of that cause. A sadist would wish Marseille retained full consciousness at the moment of impact. I'll admit to being pleased this deadly dogfighter didn't survive the North Africa Campaign.

    • @theonlymadmac4771
      @theonlymadmac4771 Місяць тому

      I admit that I am not pleased you survived writing 3:44 this stupid, cheap and heartless commentary

    • @richardsimpson3792
      @richardsimpson3792 Місяць тому +1

      @@jefferyroy2566 My Dad fought in the Royal navy in WWII. Even in 1941, he and his mates differentiated between the ordinary Germans and the Nazi fanatics. My Dad personally pulled some German sailors out of the water, as did hundreds of other RN sailors. And, guess what, the German sailors did the same for the British when British ships were sunk.
      Wars are started by people who should know better, and fought by those who are mostly only just out of childhood.
      My Dad was haunted to the day he died by the cries of the German sailors that he didn't manage to save. Later in the war he took part in the Rhine Crossings and saw the worst of what the Nazis did, but he still maintained that the average German in uniform was just that. Some were evil, some brainwashed fanatics, but most were pretty ordinary.
      Many German PoWs actually opted to remain in the UK after their release.

  • @oldredcoonhound2182
    @oldredcoonhound2182 Місяць тому +17

    Came to see who was whining about pictures and film clips that didnt show the exact thing.

    • @Freedom_Half_Off
      @Freedom_Half_Off Місяць тому

      It is a little more that "not showing the exact thing " . What you often get is a goulash of the exact opposite things . I get that some people just want a bedtime story and don't really care what flashes on the screen .
      It is an easy attitude to adopt for people that don't know the difference anyway . 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @armylrs2391
    @armylrs2391 Місяць тому +1

    Make a video about LRRPs!!

  • @JohnDoe-jd7oc
    @JohnDoe-jd7oc Місяць тому +1

    Tks.
    Cda

  • @FNHaole
    @FNHaole Місяць тому +4

    I’m streaming this while I work on solar thermal pipes on a townhouse unit. Pretty safe documentary content coming through my speaker, right. All of a sudden, it cuts, and a ad starts blasting with some broad yammering on about the dangers of STUCK POOP. Who is in charge of marketing?! I mean, there are SO many more relevant products and services which would benefit from “Dark Skies” viewers. I think this ad should just be sent as an inter-office email to Google’s UA-cam advertisement staff, because THEY seem to be the ones who are full of 💩

  • @OlJarhead
    @OlJarhead Місяць тому

    Would be interesting to know what he did after his release

  • @simonayers8033
    @simonayers8033 Місяць тому +1

    Imagine the rage at getting shot down twice in two days by the same guy 😂😂

  • @williamcanter3233
    @williamcanter3233 Місяць тому +6

    Father Was in WW 11 Germany uncle WW11 south Pacific

  • @MrSpringheel
    @MrSpringheel Місяць тому +1

    What happened to him after the war?

  • @roberthunter7247
    @roberthunter7247 Місяць тому +3

    This channel is the most savage paybck machine of WWII

  • @christophercook723
    @christophercook723 Місяць тому +2

    An English narrator would be a massive improvement than the high speed gabble.

    • @CJArnold-hq3ey
      @CJArnold-hq3ey Місяць тому +2

      And do his own research not read of Wikipedia or a Encyclopaedia and show unrelated footage all mixed up - Ameteur at Best

  • @aprilgeneric8027
    @aprilgeneric8027 Місяць тому

    "What we learn from History is that no one learns from History"~~Otto von Bismarck

  • @kiko-ue5bc
    @kiko-ue5bc Місяць тому

    The thumbnail of the video is of a Albatross D.III,used by the German Empire in World War 1 not World War 2.

  • @terencephillips6833
    @terencephillips6833 Місяць тому +2

    Slow down for gods sake .

    • @CJArnold-hq3ey
      @CJArnold-hq3ey Місяць тому +1

      He reads of Wikipedia and shows a Myriad of un related footage - A Shonk at Best

  • @biketech60
    @biketech60 25 днів тому

    Europe was a more target rich area than the Pacific ocean's wide expanse .

  • @alblacklaw8554
    @alblacklaw8554 Місяць тому

    Anyone else catch the “ Bursts of continuous gunfire”?

  • @ivanconnolly7332
    @ivanconnolly7332 Місяць тому +5

    The thumbnail shows a burning albatross from WW 1?.

    • @garydownes2111
      @garydownes2111 Місяць тому +5

      Amazingly lazy but not atypical for this channel

    • @sharzadgabbai4408
      @sharzadgabbai4408 Місяць тому +3

      All those advanced biplanes in the opening got our narrator a little confused.

  • @kkteutsch6416
    @kkteutsch6416 Місяць тому

    Americans don't accept that your P - 40 wasn't a match for the Me 109...

    • @markr.1984
      @markr.1984 26 днів тому

      Most Americans with a knowledge of W.W.II aircraft accept this easily. The P-40 was in high supply so the Brits and other Allied units gladly fought with it. They took any aircraft they could get and did what they could. This was well before the P-51 was flown. The P40 was better than the Hurricanes at least. But the Spit was the best in North Africa.

  • @mht525
    @mht525 Місяць тому +1

    Aussie Aussie Aussie 🤘✌️🏴⚖️🇦🇺🇺🇦

    • @peterpayne9869
      @peterpayne9869 Місяць тому

      Under you're comment it says ,Translate to English,,apparently we speak & write in a foreign lingo 😅Aussie Aussie Oi,oi oi 👍🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

  • @terry9325
    @terry9325 Місяць тому

    Listing to this 73 german pilots shot down 7300 allied planes , what did the other thousands of German pilots shoot down , it makes you think are all there victories a bit over the top ?

  • @Eddewardeke
    @Eddewardeke 23 дні тому

    At 1.35, those are no Me 109's! Sloppy selection of material, as so often

  • @allenhamilton6688
    @allenhamilton6688 11 днів тому

    I really don't believe German claimed victoris. It really doesn't add up.

  • @Ryansssssssssssss
    @Ryansssssssssssss Місяць тому

    After the war he probably became an American or RAF Instructor….

  • @auro1986
    @auro1986 Місяць тому +1

    but did you pay australian pilots same as your american and british pilots?

  • @mingfanzhang4600
    @mingfanzhang4600 Місяць тому +3

    😊😊😊😊❤😊😊😊😊

  • @andrewvelonis5940
    @andrewvelonis5940 28 днів тому

    "Payback machine"?

  • @janlindtner305
    @janlindtner305 Місяць тому

    👍👍👍

  • @mingfanzhang8927
    @mingfanzhang8927 Місяць тому +2

    ❤❤❤❤😊❤❤❤❤

  • @touristguy87
    @touristguy87 Місяць тому

    All that just to turn around and surrender.

  • @ltdees2362
    @ltdees2362 Місяць тому +1

    So I'm just having a hard time swallowing this 100+ kill rate...

    • @user-og1ux8nr3i
      @user-og1ux8nr3i Місяць тому +1

      The German pilots had to fight all through the war where as the allies could be rotated out of combat.

  • @janmale7767
    @janmale7767 Місяць тому +5

    The Germans were simply fantastic!

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    @Tatianabella45 Місяць тому +80

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      @charitylebron6619 Місяць тому +8

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      @edwardboosman9235 Місяць тому +7

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      @Tatianabella45 Місяць тому

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      @Tatianabella45 Місяць тому

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      @Alicescotty Місяць тому +2

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  • @singlemaltwhiskyenthusiast9248
    @singlemaltwhiskyenthusiast9248 Місяць тому

    Armes Deutschland

  • @mitchelldecker6128
    @mitchelldecker6128 Місяць тому +5

    Wow im first

    • @briancooper2112
      @briancooper2112 Місяць тому +3

      Grow up

    • @mitchelldecker6128
      @mitchelldecker6128 Місяць тому +1

      @@briancooper2112 nope , 61 years young

    • @PapaOfGags
      @PapaOfGags Місяць тому +1

      @@mitchelldecker6128 61? then why would you care who is first.

    • @ltdees2362
      @ltdees2362 Місяць тому

      .. go tell mommy and she'll give you a cookie ..

  • @johndyson4109
    @johndyson4109 Місяць тому +3

    The German Ace pilots like Shore made pilots like Richard Bong look like little school boy trainee pilots..

    • @sharzadgabbai4408
      @sharzadgabbai4408 Місяць тому

      Put your kraut in a mitsubishi and go for it

    • @wilburfinnigan2142
      @wilburfinnigan2142 Місяць тому

      They flew longer, till they died or could not fly !!!! DUUUUUHHHH!!!!!

    • @gkauto1959
      @gkauto1959 Місяць тому

      @@wilburfinnigan2142 and that right there proves his point! could bong have done what Shore managed to do in a 109? dont think so!

  • @user-qd9ln5jq1j
    @user-qd9ln5jq1j Місяць тому

    Crap