I don't know why this guy's take on these processors is so bad this 5500 looks amazing. Guaranteed it will play your games just fine high frame rates smooth great experience don't listen to these enthusiast CPU pushers. don't let them make you feel bad for buying a cheap chip for gaming when it's perfectly fine probably amazing. If this is in your price range and you don't want to spend a crazy amount with the next gen you're going to love it after all don't these guys always say spend responsibly
The take stresses that there are better options available for the same money. These chips are only really great if you already have a system and want to upgrade just the CPU without swapping the motherboard.
Coming from someone who just upgraded from a 14 year old cpu.. yeah the 5500 is amazing. Too many cyclical pc upgraders not understanding the value for last last gen cpu users. Its £100 for a solid current gen experience. Vs intels jacked up price is a no brainer
This is what I need to know. Im want to build a PC and All these people talking shit about the 5500 makes me question even thougj I dont want a massive PC, only one to play and do my College work with
@@jpsaglimbeni The ryzen 5 5500 or ryzen 3 3100 will be good for what you need. My son has ryzen 3 3100 with rx 6600 and it plays amazing for the price
In my country, the ryzen 5 4500 is much cheaper than ryzen 5 5500 and i am more than happy with the performance, also those extra high frames aren't much usable and a selling point for the 5500 cause i can't see past 144 , just for a casual gamer and a student 4500 is the sweetest deal for me rather than spending 3-4 thousand rupees more for just few frames that i can't even make out a difference from if only I have msi afterburner running on the screen isn't worth it in my opinion
@@marcelogonzalez8664 For a GPU, I recommend the GTX 1660 Ti, Radeon 6600 XT or higher. If you have something lower performance like the GTX 1650 it won't do as good in higher graphics games, since the GPU usage will max out, and the processor won't get to do as much. In other words, bottlenecking.
One thing to remember when buying cheaper CPU is which GPU will you pair it with. Most reviewers pair budget CPUs with top of the line GPUs to eliminate GPU bottleneck, BUT in real life, if you're considering a sub-$150 CPU it is most likely you'll pair it with a sub $400 GPU at MOST, although a sub $300 GPU is much more likely. The difference between a $100 Ryzen 5 3600 (same performance as a R5 5500) and the $350 Ryzen 7 5800X3D (equivalent to a R5 7600) paired with a $400 RX 6700 XT GPU is 38% in Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p Highest settings. That's 122fps vs 169fps. And only 2fps difference on Cyberpunk 2077 on 1080p Ultra. When comparing $100 Ryzen 5 5500 with a $150 Ryzen 5 5600 paired with a $300 RX 6600 XT or RTX 3060, the difference will be a LOT smaller, and if you only have a 1080p 75Hz monitor, the difference won't matter at all since your monitor can't display the extra frames. Sure, the 5500 will bottleneck an RTX 4070 Ti, and even the RX 6700 XT, but so will the 5600! And do you really think you will spend $900 for a GPU in the next 3 years? By that time you have a $900 burning a hole in your pocket, which can be YEARS down the line, might as well build a whole new AM6 system.
And then there's the 4500 with 2 generations old performance 🤣, like whuuut? It's probably designed for people without knowledge who think it will be between Ryzen 3600 and 5600 when the number is 4500 but it actually has significantly worse performance even than Ryzen 3600.
It is quite cheap though, and it's still better than a 2600. It could be a good upgrade for someone who's still on a first gen quad-core Ryzen CPU, but the price isn't exactly that great compared to Intel 12th gen equivalents, but those CPUs don't really need to compete against Intel 12th gen. As underwhelming as the 4500 is, its value per dollar is still much better than the higher-end CPUs from both brands. People aren't getting a horribly over-priced piece of junk, they're getting mildly over-priced but still decent value low-end part. All that being said, the 5600 just seems SO MUCH BETTER. And, for someone on a tight budget, a used 3600 or used 2600, or used 3300X, etc.. could all be great options.
I’m just made the jump from a 2600 to a 5950x arriving today. I think I wait wait for end of life cycle platforms mainly because I’m switching to 4-5 year life cycle. The reason being I do a lot of virtualization and emulation.
That's an impressive jump. The problem with some "old" AM4 mobos (for 1 and 2 gen) is that the vrm wasn't the best, and it's hard to ask them to run 12 or 16 cores.
@@ar1xx._.626 i wasn’t looking to do a platform change. I had a x570 board already I just updated the bios and the chip was on sale for $450 second hand.
I had a 5 2600 and upgraded to the 5 5500 and I'm happy with it. I manged to oc it to 4.2ghz and for 1440p gaming with my 3060 its awesome. I don't even have a crazy air cooler on it and I never see it rise about 65 C
@Francis Philip Lopez nope, even upgraded to a 2080ti and I'm not seeing any performance issues. Over clocked past 4.2 but it starts to heat up. Might have to under volt if you want heat to be a bit more manageable or get a better cooler
AMD actually put out a lot of the 3100 and 3300X. They got scalped like CRAZY. They disappeared immediately and then the 3300X started showing up in large numbers at $200 USD which was a CRAZY price to pay for it. I've still seen them being sold. At one point in the last year I saw the 3300X for $130 USD, slightly above its MSRP and it was being sold as "new", so this was something a scalper probably sat on for a long time trying to make lots of money on it only to find out most people weren't willing to pay a crazy price for the part, since Zen 3 was right around the corner anyway. And then Zen 3 beat it so badly it just wasn't worth buying.
i dont believe you (about the 3300x) i wouldnt be surprised if that product was ONLY put out to reviewers. Right now on ebay there are only 6 of them in all of north america.
I just don't understand how AMD can introduce 4000 and 5000 processors that don't support PCIE 4.0 but a RYZEN 3100 or 3600 does support it. Why introduce the budget 6500 XT but make it terrible with your budget processors? That didn't hurt miners, and scalpers didn't buy it. It only hurt gamers.
How? They have chips which don't support PCIe 4.0 and they can't use them in mobile space. Chips in 4500 and 5500 have broken iGPU, so it gets disabled and packaged as budget desktop CPU. You might ask why not use silicon which supports PCIe 4.0, answer is they are already selling all of it as 5600, 5600X etc. Budget DIY segment is bottom in priority list. In every single company out there.
@@brosplit It doesn't hurt the miners. Mining uses very little PCIE bandwidth to begin with, so the reduction from 4.0 to 3.0 doen't hurt them at all. It will hurt a gamer looking for a cheap CPU to pair with a budget GPU like the 6500XT. That GPU loses around 10% of its performance on a 3.0 bus vs 4.0.
You have to take price into consideration a 4500 right now is half the price of that 11th gen i5 and you have a lot of Zen 3 upgrade options and used ryzen 3600's for good prices.
5500 is made for people with over 5 year old PCs that don't have much money. WIth a $70 board, this CPU and a $70 16GB RAM kit yuo have an upgrade very good that doesn't bottleneck any GPU sold for less than $500 before the end of 2020 ; ) And that relatively cheap system will later be able to get even a 16-core 5950X. And do not even think that until the summer of 2023 will AMD launch any budget Zen4 CPU...
I still use a Ryzen 5 1400.... Currently 5500 is at 60$ price range. I think this is the best upgrade option for me since I updated the bios of my à320 to the latest which supports 5000 series.
@@tuckerhiggins4336 If you are happy with an R5 1600, then one of these would surely keep you happy too.. and AM5 would just be massive unnecessary overkill. So pop in one of these in a year or two, and wait for AM6.
As of right now, the 5500 is hovering around 100 bucks on NewEgg up to 4.2ghz and would be a decent pair up to a 3060/6600 at 1080p, not even considering you don't have to pay a dime for a cooler because the stock cooler is plenty up to a 5600. What a deal.
The stock cooler is fine as long as your not in cinibench for some reason my 5500 draws 75W at full load and reaches 93C after 10 min it also pretty much refuses to throttle and stays at 4.2ghz😂
The reason why the 4500 did worse than the 3300x in games is due to its l3 cache, not frequency. 4500 is a "Renoir" 3+3 core CPU and 3300x is "Matisse" 4+0 core CPU, which means the 4500 has 4+4mb worth of cache whereas 3300x has 16mb of essentially unified cache. Since in most games it's better to just keep the entire game in 1 side of the CCD, you are looking at a performance of a 3c6t processor with 4mb cache vs a 4c8t processor with 16mb cache. It's quite clear how the 3300x won here.
The lack of PCE-e gen 4 support would have also contributed on some games, but the lack of PCI-e Gen 4 support isn't likely to be an issue... except unless of course someone tries to use it with a 6500 XT. But, then again, most older AM4 boards don't support PCI-e Gen 4 anyway.
exactly, Zen 2 uses 2 CCXs and Zen 3 use Unified Cache, which mean core to core latency is now never a thing on zen3 cpus, also the 4000 and 5000 cpu based on apu, could run higher UCLK, which is pretty much beneficial for memory overclockers out there, espescially 4000 series cpu due to less cache, and intercore latency that needs faster infinity fab. 3300X only use 1 CCX, i would say tht 3300X is an example of Zen 3 in a nutshell but with Zen 2 cores, since the io die is pretty much the same between 5000 and 3000 series.
ryzen 5 4650G the integrated video is disabled and you put 100MHZ less there it is the ryzen 5 4500 will perform less than a traditional zen 2 (3600 and 3600x) as it is an apu it has less cache and also pci 3.0 will perform less than a ryzen 5 3600.
Are you ok jumping on a "first gen" technology? I got a r7 1700 and an x370 board. I was totally happy with it, DDR4 was already mature unlike DDR5 right now. I'm upset that I had to buy a new motherboard to upgrade, even now my x370 doesn't support 5000 series. So a first gen AM5 socket with a promised "long life" and overpriced DDR5. I feel kinda burned and will be sitting on a 5600x for a long time now.
@@RageQuitSon for me the only problem would be ram. I think I will switch to a new platform in 1y roughly. At that time ddr5 should be mature enough and not look stupid
that would be me...i have a B450 board w 2600, so was thinking should i get 5600 or 5500. 5500 seems quite ok, with a GTX 1070. I think next year, I probably get a Raptor Lake w RTX 4060 or 4070, reason being, I got lotsa DDR4 ram. Raptor Lake should be the last gen supporting DDR4 & should get a nice IPC bump....LOL
@@peipengloy1377 i have bought 5500, undervolted to 1.2v and overclocked slightly to 4.3GHz don`t go over 66c and gives 4130 in r20 cinebench, not bad at all for older boards.
You would never recommend a CPU that gets way above 60fps+ for gaming at a really low price? It's 120$ where I live. It's the new R5 1600af in my book.
i am upgrading my pc with this budget cpu and can't wait to see the difference, mind you my old processor is a Intel dual core. So massive upgrade for me.
When the 5500 is cheaper than the 12100f (as it is at the moment in the uk), It looks like a great deal, you get an upgrade path all the way to the 5800x3d and 2 extra cores for a little bit of extra performance in multicore titles and future games all while having more cache and a far cheaper motherboard selection.
7:50 "i would go with the 12400f since that platform will stick around much longer". Ooo that aged poorly. Amd released new AM4 Chips this year meanwhile lga1700 is a deadman walking with very little difference between 12000 and 14000 series. Meanwhile a jump between a ryzen 5 3600 to a ryzen 5 5600 would be night and day
I love how HWC make recommendations based on various scenarios in consideration of the strengths and weaknesses of each CPU instead of just throwing out numbers and leaving viewers to apply the data on their own. Thanks for the great content!
Только мэн забыл что 4500 можно разгонять. Никто в здравом уме не ставит 4500 к 3080. 4500 будет трудится с 3050\3060\3060ti, а с этими картами разница будет минимальна + с разгоном 4500 можно получить разницу в 5-10fps по итогу. Если у вас проблемы с деньгами и есть материнская плата на А320, В350, В450, Х370 и процессор 1600\2600 и ниже, то спокойно берите 4500. Платформа АМ4 будет актуальна ещё лет 5 минимум.
I see the 4500 as the modern equivalent to the 1600 AF but a lot faster. Microcenter has these at $109 now and it will run on a inexpensive A320 board or better. The nearest modern Intel equivalent is the i5-10400 which is more expensive.
Not 10400 but 10400F (non F comes with an iGPU, not a comparable product). It is comparable to 5500 in gaming (depending on the game) and costs exactly as much as 4500.
@@CanIHasThisName Using 10th Gen Intel maybe cheap but very limiting compared to AMD where you can pretty much use any Ryzen cpu with any motherboard now.
@@davidg2731 That is no longer a big selling point because the AM4 socket will be getting replaced. 4500 and 5500 are exactly the CPUs meant for users of old low-end Ryzens and I'll be getting one of them for my sister's PC soon. I definitely wouldn't be getting them for a new system, they're only compelling because I don't have to get a new motherboard and I can sell the old CPU for a little bit of cash that will go towards RAM. 4 years from now, it is extremely unlikely any of the current CPUs will make for a compelling upgrade. Second hand market prices tend to be too high (people are still trying to sell used Haswell i7 CPUs for more than current i3, which is more powerful) and even something 5600x isn't really a good upgrade for this (considering the price).
I have 2 PCs, one is mine and one is my little brother's. He's only gaming while I'm not, both PCs run an RX6600XT so I think I'll just buy 2 R5-5500s to replace the old 1500x and 2600 present in these systems. Great deal, especially considering they're only $95 on newegg, while the 5600 is like 160$. Both PCs don't support PCIe 4 anyways
Just upgraded from a Ryzen 5 2600 (it waS way past time) to the Ryzen 5 5500. Got it for $90 on sale at Amazon. Plus upgraded my motherboard to go with this (Asus Rog Strix B550-F ... $157). Reusing ram I have and video card. So at that price I think I'm going to be fine. Heck my old Ryzen 5 2600 can run some AAA games still, like the new resident evil game village. I think spme people (and I used to be one a long time ago but to old and tired to care now lol) think they have to get the best and latest to play the latest games. Not true. Most reviewers just want to obsess on percentages which at the end of the day mean nothing.
In reality, no one is putting a 3090/4090 gpu with these cpu choices. I know they want to show performance differences but with a 3060 or so, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 4500 and a 5500 at all in gaming.
the r5 5500 was absolutely not worth the price when it was €160, but now its €120 and when you account for motherboard prices, both 12100f and 5500 would land at about the same price range. I think that the r5 5500 now is better value than 12100f since they have about the same gaming performance albeit 5500 is maybe 5%-10% slower which is negligible and can be negated with overclocking since the r5 5500 supports overclocking combined with a better choice for motherboards with better VRMs on AM4. You can't underestimate how much better the choice for motherboard is on AM4 side. In conclusion: R5 5500: Pros: - on par gaming performance, but much better productivity performance; - Better and cheaper motherboard choices. Cons: - No PCIE 4.0; - AM4 is EOL so no new CPUs for upgrading down the road.
Dropped my $120 R5-5600g into my X370 Motherboard. I am hoping the new APU and BIOS will make the board less finicky with RAM. currently working with 2666, but it had a tantrum when I tried to Install 3200 mhz, back in 2017. Hoping for the bestbut, as is, I am very happy. Oh, how I wish i could extend the life of my other MB/cpu, like my AM4 build. It is nice ASUS Maximus VIII Ranger and 6600k.
Well, I tried 16gb of RAM @ 3200 mhz, and @ 3600 mhz. I guess have to live with 2666mhz with this Motherboard. I use (overkill) 360mm AIO. I have another, new build, using a B550 Motherboard, and a smaller 240mm AIO, equipped with a GTX 980ti. The new board runs 10 degrees cooler. Maybe its the old board itself, maybe by using the Integrated graphics put more strain on the MB, making more heat.
In my country R5 4500/5500 is sold for 60$/78$ brand-new.. fps wise these processors doesn't differ that much in performance compared 5600 and 5600x. Definitely a bang for your buck if ya ask me
I guess there would be no noticeable difference fps among r5 4500, r5 5500 and r5 5600 using a middle level card like a gtx 1660 super.. with a monitor limited to 60 fps.. so.. maybe I'm wrong, but I think the 4500 would be the sweet spot wise at around 100 euros..
I have that build You mention. R5 4500 and gtx1660 super and is not as bad. O still wondering about overclock it for higher performance. I played apex Legends on 1080p every set in low and it's very good 144fps, also on med setings 110fps
I would not build a new system unless it supports all new Tech. AMD is just off loading their crap for now. They got to do something with all that old silicone. $
I bought r5 5500 for 89 bucks at micro center so I don’t regret it so bye bye I7 8700. Main reason is warzone 2.0 new maps laggy as hell on I7 8700. Now r5 5500 pairing with rx 6600 no issue.
Oh thank goodness for this review and comparison. I am helping a friend put together a pc and this was immense because the budget is tight but the am4 mobo is free so kind of a no brainer to go with the 5500 in their case.
Better review than others who have focused only of the R5 4500 shit gaming, while missing that if you have an x370 which you use for Compiling of light production work it good. I was looking at a 12100 combo to replace my ageing 2200G system, now I might retire the x370 board into a home server if I can get a
Shut up a$$ wipe 4500 would be a great option for those who don't have their own petroleum plants you clown , 5500 is much more expensive than 4500 for gaming performance that don't even make sense in real life for a casual gamer and a student looking to build a pc
Hmm I still don't think they're quite competitive at those prices, especially when there's a strong second-hand market for am4 chips. Why get a $160 5500 when you could get 5600x or g for about the same
thanks for the first intelligent review of these new lower-priced cpus, and where they realistically fit in the market and since you mentioned it, if lga1700 gets one more generation of cpus/apus, it's already halfway to end of life at less than 12 months...which is nowhere near as long as am4 has been supported (and to be transparent, this is being typed on an i7 920 (on 1366) machine, which is going to be replaced by an x570s setup)
I wouldn’t buy these chips unless they were found for cheap. Luckily, microcenter (if your near one) sells the 5500 for $75-$90 depending on deals and the 4500 for $60-$75. That’s a solid deal for those chips, I wish we had more of these super cheap good ones.
if you only use it for streaming and stream from another computer: Yes. If you play and stream from same computer, the 4 core chips are useless, and you'd better invest in a decent 6 thread chip like the 5600 or 12400 as a minimum.
With current Blac Friday pricing of the 4500, it costs half as much as a 5600 shipped (inc. taxes), its actually cheaper new than any zen 1000/2000/3000 6 core on 2nd hand markets. could argue that a zen1 user could upgrade to 4500 and sell their old one for an almost free upgrade. its a very sensible choice in that case. Yes a 5600 is way faster in any scenario, but is it twice as fast with a budget gpu? (not a 3080ti) well, no. I really wish more reviews would emphasize that outside of countries with a Microcenter these parts hold different values.
will WIN11 support the R5-2600? if so, would you be willing to deal with a wonky OS interaction, or just switching over to Linux? 5600 is definitely a superior/affordable cpu.
This dude tells you that if you spend more money on the cpu it will be better. Yeah no shit sherlock. Just cuz the lower end cpus cant output 300fps on the newest games while paired with a 4090 doesnt mean that the cpu is bad. In an polish-only online stores the ryzen 5 4500 goes for around 75$, while 5 5600 goes for 175$. 4500 is enough for most games if you dont intend to play on the absolute max cpu-heavy graphic settings. The 6 cores are really usesful when it comes to rendering. Its enough. You dont need 12 core 5 GHz CPUs to game.
@@zodwraith5745 Im talking about polish prices tho? The 12100f is around 105 $ You can pay 5$ extra for ryzen 5 3600 which is a bit better than 4500. Lets be real, all of these CPUs can run any non CPU heavy game at 1080p. Stop crying intel fanboy
@@Wolferr47 I don't give a shit about Intel. I'm a fan of value and for the majority of the world Intel is killing AMD on value. I just got a 12700k for $250 and _nothing_ AMD offers can compete with that for value. Not all of us are playing "non CPU heavy games." That's like saying "This race car is great as long as you never use it for racing." The fact you instantly jump to insults only proves you're a brainless AMD fanboy pissed off that big bad Intel is showing AMD's greed now days. Intel is beating AMD for value all across the board.
Hey dude, the temp differences are going to be differences in the sensors. This die isn't going to be more concentrated than Intel. Alder Lake is "Intel 7" and has about the same density as TSMC N7. If anything the 5500 might run a little cooler over the die since the iGPU is disabled, regardless of what sensors suggest. The fact that you don't feel more heat is the tell tale on this. If any of these come with coolers, that should easily be good enough.
Does it make any difference with lower-end graphics cards ? e.g. GTX 1660 Super ? I would like to know if their performance only makes itself felt on more powerful graphics cards ? I ask because most tests take into account the top GPUs that maybe 2% of PC users have (at least that's what the Steam statistics indicate. After all, no one who with a sound mind buys a RTX 3080 TI will buy such a CPU!!! LOGICAL!!! But probably not for "everyone"....
alder lake chips in Mexico are 1/4 more expensive than Ryzen 5000 and the motherboards are more expensive as well so at least here is an easy decision in favor of AMD.
idk what he's talking about, i replaced my old amd a10 with a 5500 with a full on ram and motherboard swap too and it cost me less than an i5 12400f for me
That's often the case with GN. Was the same with 10400, which didn't fully deliver what you might expect from it, but once it reached its post launch pricing, it was actually the best value chip on the market. The thing is that 10400f is actually haunting both of these chips. It's comparable in gaming to 5500, but costs as much as 4500. So they're only really good if you already have an old Ryzen system and want to upgrade the CPU cheaply, without swapping the motherboard.
AM4 is not at the end of its life. It will be supported for many years. When you say End of Life, that's the same as "EOL", and that has a particular meaning of support going away, and that includes hardware and software support. AM4 is going to be supported for many years. It's a dominant platform. Words matter. In fact anyone with an X570 MB has full PCIe gen4, and the advantage of gen5 over gen4 isn't going to show up any time soon, unless a GPU comes out as PCIe gen5 X4. I suspect this will happen for low end GPUs because THAT speed is the same as PCIe gen3 X16 which is PLENTY for low end GPUs, it's more than enough for the next few years, AND PCIe gen5 X4 will be lower latency than PCIe gen3 X16 because each data transfer happens quicker, like 4X the speed.
What does "dominant platform" even mean? AM4 will not be getting any new CPUs. That's the end of its life, it will become a dead platform. This can also mean that AM4 boards may stop being manufactured relatively soon. There's no point generalizing, it means a very specific thing when it comes to CPU sockets.
@@imbranTV I am satisfied with the gaming performance for my requirements. Previously had a Ryzen 7 1700 and I think the Ryzen 5 has made a good leap in performance simply because of the higher clock rate. My graphics card is the Radeon RX 6600.
Wait - by your numbers i5 12400F vs Ryzen 5 5500: Longterm power: 65W - equal, Performance - only in Handbreak the 12400F was bit first.... Why again do you say that the R5 5500 is more efficient than Intels CPUs? They are right between the 12400F and 12100F. pretty even.
so friends, this review made me buy an ryzen 4500, just for fun, it was for 50 euros with shipping. i gonna game and OC the hell out of it and give you my personal review as soon as i am done. funfact, currently i use my 5600g, which I removed from an x300. i am very satisfied with the cezeanne cpu, so i am curious what my downgrade will do :D cheers everybody, god, i love hardware!
@@someboringperson9359 yeah mate, and i did pair it with a 1070 ti which I oc´ed. seems to be a nice fit, system is going strong, and yeah, i still game on a 1080 monitor i can recommend it :)
@@ShrineOfLife your setup is similar to mine except I have normal gtx 1070 and r5 5500 which just came today. I bough it for 100 euros and I think its worth every money. I waited so long to upgrade from my old i7 3770k but I finally made a decision to do it yesterday. Super worth it and honestly I feel a bit stupid for not doing it earlier and for waiting so long. Going from ddr3 to ddr4 platform with Zen 3 is like night and day.
@@someboringperson9359 na, i completly can understand that :D back in the day, i was still holding on to my core 2 quad (an oc´ed 9300), so that was ddr2 era, and I tried to skip ddr3 :D did not make it, it was a leap for me, but I was all amd back in the day, i loved to OC my 8370e. so yeah. hardware is awesome! you bough the cpu for 100e, or the combo together with the gpu?`that! would be a steal :D which board do you use with ur 5500? cheers!
@@ShrineOfLife Now that you mentioned core 2 quad, I also had one to be specific Q9550 and I later OCed the crap out of it too haha. I had it all the way up to 2018 which is insane when I think about it. To answer your question, I bought only the CPU for 100€. The motherboard which I've got is Asus Prime B550M-K and it was not my greatest decision ever especially since I bought it for a quite high price(100€). There were so many better options with B450 chipset but I only choosed to go with this one because of PCIE Gen 4 because I just wanted to future proof myself a bit. Ended up realising that my R5 5500 doesnt even support PCIE Gen 4 😂, it was a complete waste of money but hey it still runs and chughs good 👍
Great review! I gotta say, it's too bad AMD hasn't fixed my(and many others) USB drop-out issue on my b350 board or I'd be looking to upgrade my cpu as I'm only running a 1600.
I don't think B450 boards have that problem. I had a b450 gaming plus and a 2600. B450 boards are still being produced so you don't necessarily have to buy a b550 or an X470 or X570 board. You can upgrade to a 6 core or a 65 watt 8 core (5700x) for $100 or less for the motherboard.
With the 5600 going down to $129 at newegg / amazon last week on sale there is no reason to consider 5500/4500. I found a sealed new in the box 5600G for $80 and at that price for the bedroom MediaPC I decided to bite. Not much of an upgrade over a 3600/GT1030 DDR5 but less power by a little and I can sell the 3600 / 1030 for likely more than $80. Less heat in the case with my passive 1030.
I have a little hard time seeing the hate against the R5 4500, I can see it's the slowest CPU to game on, but is there a game it cannot play? For me it also comes down to the price. And what too use it for. Right now in Denmark the 12100 its around 33% more expensive than the R5 4500. At one point i considered to buy on and use in my secondary rig. An old athlon with ddr3. So that would have been a major update anyway 😁
Thanks for the video bro, but I buy the ryzen 5 4500 because it is very cheap with an rtx 2060, so I have the question if that will have bottleneck? :c I hope someone can clear my doubt, thank you very much
Thanks ,, I feel like a idiot lol , I was under the feeling the 5500 would support PCI-e 4.0 as the 5600 does , its okay though as I have my older Msi-B450A-Pro Max , a Ryzen 5 2600 and my old MSI Rx 480 , 16Gb of G-Skill 3600 ddr4 , should give me a boost . Will wait till Zen 4 arrives to build a real Pc then :)
i own 5900x,i had 3600 and before that 2600,if you are not looking for more than 100fps at 1080p,2600x still very good cpu,no need to upgrade,if you game at high resolution
It is, for older systems, i have bought it for my old emulation machine and it`s ok, i replaced old r3 1300x so it`s significant boost and board use pci 3.0 so i don`t lose there ither. Undervolted to 1.2v and overclocked slightly to 4.3GHz don`t go over 66c and gives 4130 in r20 cinebench, not bad at all.
My brain health is at least 10 times better than your`s badass keyboard warrior, if you are too mentally challenged to figure why it`s good buy it`s just your problem.
I would pass even on the 5600x. I only see the 5700x as a worthy upgrade there, and that's if you need the extra cores. Otherwise just stick it out until Zen 4 or beyond, you won't get much from one gen to another.
I don't know why this guy's take on these processors is so bad this 5500 looks amazing. Guaranteed it will play your games just fine high frame rates smooth great experience don't listen to these enthusiast CPU pushers. don't let them make you feel bad for buying a cheap chip for gaming when it's perfectly fine probably amazing. If this is in your price range and you don't want to spend a crazy amount with the next gen you're going to love it after all don't these guys always say spend responsibly
The take stresses that there are better options available for the same money. These chips are only really great if you already have a system and want to upgrade just the CPU without swapping the motherboard.
Coming from someone who just upgraded from a 14 year old cpu.. yeah the 5500 is amazing.
Too many cyclical pc upgraders not understanding the value for last last gen cpu users.
Its £100 for a solid current gen experience. Vs intels jacked up price is a no brainer
Yeah, my laptop comes with one and I never realized what a beast of a cpu is stored on that small of a laptop until I gave cyberpunk a try
This is what I need to know. Im want to build a PC and All these people talking shit about the 5500 makes me question even thougj I dont want a massive PC, only one to play and do my College work with
@@jpsaglimbeni The ryzen 5 5500 or ryzen 3 3100 will be good for what you need. My son has ryzen 3 3100 with rx 6600 and it plays amazing for the price
In my country, the ryzen 5 4500 is much cheaper than ryzen 5 5500 and i am more than happy with the performance, also those extra high frames aren't much usable and a selling point for the 5500 cause i can't see past 144 , just for a casual gamer and a student 4500 is the sweetest deal for me rather than spending 3-4 thousand rupees more for just few frames that i can't even make out a difference from if only I have msi afterburner running on the screen isn't worth it in my opinion
Wich graphics card do you use? Bottlenecking?
@@marcelogonzalez8664 For a GPU, I recommend the GTX 1660 Ti, Radeon 6600 XT or higher. If you have something lower performance like the GTX 1650 it won't do as good in higher graphics games, since the GPU usage will max out, and the processor won't get to do as much. In other words, bottlenecking.
@@lunerpacks how bout 1650 super?
@@lunerpacks r5 4500 + rx6600 is good? For AAA games 1080p high quality
@@nicolasvallejos2745yes
One thing to remember when buying cheaper CPU is which GPU will you pair it with. Most reviewers pair budget CPUs with top of the line GPUs to eliminate GPU bottleneck, BUT in real life, if you're considering a sub-$150 CPU it is most likely you'll pair it with a sub $400 GPU at MOST, although a sub $300 GPU is much more likely. The difference between a $100 Ryzen 5 3600 (same performance as a R5 5500) and the $350 Ryzen 7 5800X3D (equivalent to a R5 7600) paired with a $400 RX 6700 XT GPU is 38% in Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p Highest settings. That's 122fps vs 169fps. And only 2fps difference on Cyberpunk 2077 on 1080p Ultra. When comparing $100 Ryzen 5 5500 with a $150 Ryzen 5 5600 paired with a $300 RX 6600 XT or RTX 3060, the difference will be a LOT smaller, and if you only have a 1080p 75Hz monitor, the difference won't matter at all since your monitor can't display the extra frames. Sure, the 5500 will bottleneck an RTX 4070 Ti, and even the RX 6700 XT, but so will the 5600! And do you really think you will spend $900 for a GPU in the next 3 years? By that time you have a $900 burning a hole in your pocket, which can be YEARS down the line, might as well build a whole new AM6 system.
I am 100% agree with you
I honestly think that 4500 and 5500 are to fill the lack of lower end Zen4 processors
They both are sent out for the brain dead in society , for the AMD soyboy fanboy's who will PRETEND they are more than absolute RUBBISH
Picked up a 5500 on sale to play with before socket am5 comes out
That was the smoothest sponsor video ad transition I've ever witnessed
Just received my 5600 an hour ago. Cheaper than the X but not pared down as much as the 5500... and PCIE 4.0
Best for that money is r5 5600
And then there's the 4500 with 2 generations old performance 🤣, like whuuut? It's probably designed for people without knowledge who think it will be between Ryzen 3600 and 5600 when the number is 4500 but it actually has significantly worse performance even than Ryzen 3600.
It is quite cheap though, and it's still better than a 2600. It could be a good upgrade for someone who's still on a first gen quad-core Ryzen CPU, but the price isn't exactly that great compared to Intel 12th gen equivalents, but those CPUs don't really need to compete against Intel 12th gen. As underwhelming as the 4500 is, its value per dollar is still much better than the higher-end CPUs from both brands. People aren't getting a horribly over-priced piece of junk, they're getting mildly over-priced but still decent value low-end part.
All that being said, the 5600 just seems SO MUCH BETTER. And, for someone on a tight budget, a used 3600 or used 2600, or used 3300X, etc.. could all be great options.
Wise choice :) I have several good B450 / B550 boards waiting for the 5600 to drop a bit in price and then it's BUILD TIME
@@damara2268 Is designed to tax the CRAZED AMD fanboys who are mostly brain dead
I’m just made the jump from a 2600 to a 5950x arriving today. I think I wait wait for end of life cycle platforms mainly because I’m switching to 4-5 year life cycle. The reason being I do a lot of virtualization and emulation.
Why not intel 12 th gen if going all in
That's an impressive jump.
The problem with some "old" AM4 mobos (for 1 and 2 gen) is that the vrm wasn't the best, and it's hard to ask them to run 12 or 16 cores.
Holy balls... R5 2600 or I7 2600? Big difference - either way, enjoy man!
@@MrMcGreed R5 2600.
@@ar1xx._.626 i wasn’t looking to do a platform change. I had a x570 board already I just updated the bios and the chip was on sale for $450 second hand.
I had a 5 2600 and upgraded to the 5 5500 and I'm happy with it. I manged to oc it to 4.2ghz and for 1440p gaming with my 3060 its awesome. I don't even have a crazy air cooler on it and I never see it rise about 65 C
No bottlenecks?
Same!
@Francis Philip Lopez nope, even upgraded to a 2080ti and I'm not seeing any performance issues. Over clocked past 4.2 but it starts to heat up. Might have to under volt if you want heat to be a bit more manageable or get a better cooler
@@francisphiliplopez5126 no im using 5500 with 3060 too its great
There should be no bottleneck with 5500 and RTX 3060, however there would be a small performance loss as the cpu doesn't support pcie 4.0
AMD actually put out a lot of the 3100 and 3300X. They got scalped like CRAZY. They disappeared immediately and then the 3300X started showing up in large numbers at $200 USD which was a CRAZY price to pay for it. I've still seen them being sold. At one point in the last year I saw the 3300X for $130 USD, slightly above its MSRP and it was being sold as "new", so this was something a scalper probably sat on for a long time trying to make lots of money on it only to find out most people weren't willing to pay a crazy price for the part, since Zen 3 was right around the corner anyway. And then Zen 3 beat it so badly it just wasn't worth buying.
i dont believe you (about the 3300x)
i wouldnt be surprised if that product was ONLY put out to reviewers. Right now on ebay there are only 6 of them in all of north america.
The 3100 was available and cheap for a long time, the 3300x on the other hand was a paper launch for OEMs only
I just don't understand how AMD can introduce 4000 and 5000 processors that don't support PCIE 4.0 but a RYZEN 3100 or 3600 does support it. Why introduce the budget 6500 XT but make it terrible with your budget processors? That didn't hurt miners, and scalpers didn't buy it. It only hurt gamers.
Lol! I just bought a 5600 to replace my 3300x. I honestly didn't even realize it supported PCIE 4.0 til I read your comment and checked. 🤣
If it hurts gamers, it will hurt scalpers and miners. Gamers & miners are the ones willing to buy more. Imho these cpus are office cpus.
@@Steve-go6oq You did good steve
How? They have chips which don't support PCIe 4.0 and they can't use them in mobile space. Chips in 4500 and 5500 have broken iGPU, so it gets disabled and packaged as budget desktop CPU. You might ask why not use silicon which supports PCIe 4.0, answer is they are already selling all of it as 5600, 5600X etc.
Budget DIY segment is bottom in priority list. In every single company out there.
@@brosplit It doesn't hurt the miners. Mining uses very little PCIE bandwidth to begin with, so the reduction from 4.0 to 3.0 doen't hurt them at all. It will hurt a gamer looking for a cheap CPU to pair with a budget GPU like the 6500XT. That GPU loses around 10% of its performance on a 3.0 bus vs 4.0.
You have to take price into consideration a 4500 right now is half the price of that 11th gen i5 and you have a lot of Zen 3 upgrade options and used ryzen 3600's for good prices.
5500 is made for people with over 5 year old PCs that don't have much money. WIth a $70 board, this CPU and a $70 16GB RAM kit yuo have an upgrade very good that doesn't bottleneck any GPU sold for less than $500 before the end of 2020 ; ) And that relatively cheap system will later be able to get even a 16-core 5950X. And do not even think that until the summer of 2023 will AMD launch any budget Zen4 CPU...
Im fucked cuz I have a 5500 on a rtx 3070ti
should i upgrade from the r5 2600 to the r5 5500 i tired of it bottlenecking my rtx 2060
I still use a Ryzen 5 1400....
Currently 5500 is at 60$ price range.
I think this is the best upgrade option for me since I updated the bios of my à320 to the latest which supports 5000 series.
Hey, did you bought? Is good?
The 5500 is for sure that “drop in” option for X370/470 motherboards. With a bios update this will breath some life into mid to lower end systems
You mean if we get a bios update. I have no reason to upgrade my r5 1600 before AM5. Every game is 60fps so why needlessly upgrade
@@tuckerhiggins4336 if you want more than 60fps simply. Or to update to more current architecture. A bios update will come in time for sure.
@@tuckerhiggins4336 If you are happy with an R5 1600, then one of these would surely keep you happy too.. and AM5 would just be massive unnecessary overkill. So pop in one of these in a year or two, and wait for AM6.
The AGESA code has been released to the mb manufacturer's, you have to watch their site for a bios update, AMDs code is only 1 part of the bios code.
And B450 motherboards, there are thousand of thats.
As of right now, the 5500 is hovering around 100 bucks on NewEgg up to 4.2ghz and would be a decent pair up to a 3060/6600 at 1080p, not even considering you don't have to pay a dime for a cooler because the stock cooler is plenty up to a 5600. What a deal.
The stock cooler is fine as long as your not in cinibench for some reason my 5500 draws 75W at full load and reaches 93C after 10 min it also pretty much refuses to throttle and stays at 4.2ghz😂
You should also look into the price of the boards for Intel and AMD as Intel boards cost WAY more
You get what you pay for in the form of better I/O and a better upgrade path.
Absolute RUBBISH ,, I buy EXCELLENT B560 boards under US$80
Not anymore intel. H. Series are under 100 usd now
That is only really true for Alder Lake and the prices have come down considerably since release. The only issue is lack of really good budget boards.
@@CanIHasThisName i see very cheap h series boards
The reason why the 4500 did worse than the 3300x in games is due to its l3 cache, not frequency.
4500 is a "Renoir" 3+3 core CPU and 3300x is "Matisse" 4+0 core CPU, which means the 4500 has 4+4mb worth of cache whereas 3300x has 16mb of essentially unified cache.
Since in most games it's better to just keep the entire game in 1 side of the CCD, you are looking at a performance of a 3c6t processor with 4mb cache vs a 4c8t processor with 16mb cache. It's quite clear how the 3300x won here.
The lack of PCE-e gen 4 support would have also contributed on some games, but the lack of PCI-e Gen 4 support isn't likely to be an issue... except unless of course someone tries to use it with a 6500 XT. But, then again, most older AM4 boards don't support PCI-e Gen 4 anyway.
exactly, Zen 2 uses 2 CCXs and Zen 3 use Unified Cache, which mean core to core latency is now never a thing on zen3 cpus, also the 4000 and 5000 cpu based on apu, could run higher UCLK, which is pretty much beneficial for memory overclockers out there, espescially 4000 series cpu due to less cache, and intercore latency that needs faster infinity fab. 3300X only use 1 CCX, i would say tht 3300X is an example of Zen 3 in a nutshell but with Zen 2 cores, since the io die is pretty much the same between 5000 and 3000 series.
3300x is like a zeniii capped, i have one, great cpu but a litle hoter before undervolting
The REAL reason is the 4500 is a piece of GARBAGE and a shameful exhibition of the gutter thinking of the crazed idiots at AMD
ryzen 5 4650G the integrated video is disabled and you put 100MHZ less there it is the ryzen 5 4500 will perform less than a traditional zen 2 (3600 and 3600x) as it is an apu it has less cache and also pci 3.0 will perform less than a ryzen 5 3600.
Scouring the techtubers to compare 4500 to 3600 on gaming performance but still no clear answer.
4500 is definitely lower, 5500 is comparable, slightly better in gaming.
@@CanIHasThisName right now, yes. But 5500 is only pcie 3.0. RX 6400 performs better with 3600 pcie 4.0
@@cmja09 Which IMHO is a reason to avoid the RX6400.
I'm waiting for AM5 once that's released I'll be happy
I should have said AM5 socket
Are you ok jumping on a "first gen" technology? I got a r7 1700 and an x370 board. I was totally happy with it, DDR4 was already mature unlike DDR5 right now. I'm upset that I had to buy a new motherboard to upgrade, even now my x370 doesn't support 5000 series.
So a first gen AM5 socket with a promised "long life" and overpriced DDR5. I feel kinda burned and will be sitting on a 5600x for a long time now.
Lasting happiness is not likely, let's be real
@@RageQuitSon for me the only problem would be ram. I think I will switch to a new platform in 1y roughly. At that time ddr5 should be mature enough and not look stupid
@@haberdasherrykr8886
Dayum Debbie Downer.
Man. It's gonna be crazy when I finally have the money to jump from my i5 8400....
Because the lower-cost Zen 4 CPUs aren't going to come until 18 months after the top-end stuff, so it's 2 years away probably.
Me thinks that those CPUs will come closer to 9 months after the top of the line ones.
Also lga design motherboards will be as expensive as intels and new chip shortage can come because of new covid wave in china
I am so happy to find your channel today. I have been looking for a Canadian view on PC hardware and pricing.
Yeah people will keep bashing the 5500 because of GN's review despite it being a very decent upgrade for budget Zen or Zen+ users with a Pcie 3 board.
that would be me...i have a B450 board w 2600, so was thinking should i get 5600 or 5500. 5500 seems quite ok, with a GTX 1070. I think next year, I probably get a Raptor Lake w RTX 4060 or 4070, reason being, I got lotsa DDR4 ram. Raptor Lake should be the last gen supporting DDR4 & should get a nice IPC bump....LOL
@@peipengloy1377 i have bought 5500, undervolted to 1.2v and overclocked slightly to 4.3GHz don`t go over 66c and gives 4130 in r20 cinebench, not bad at all for older boards.
It is PATHETIC ,, useless , waste of sand
@@tilapiadave3234 Only PATHETIC is your`s comments, nothing more.
@@Dagoth666Ur What's up SOYBAY ,, AMD fanboy ,, you hate FACTS that show you love CRAP?
Well, in my country, the price of Ryzen 5 4500 is $80 for the Box ver. & $65 for the Tray ver. So it makes sense to buy this processor. 😎
Not when the 12100f is $68. AMD dropped the price because _they had to._
You would never recommend a CPU that gets way above 60fps+ for gaming at a really low price? It's 120$ where I live.
It's the new R5 1600af in my book.
i am upgrading my pc with this budget cpu and can't wait to see the difference, mind you my old processor is a Intel dual core. So massive upgrade for me.
When the 5500 is cheaper than the 12100f (as it is at the moment in the uk), It looks like a great deal, you get an upgrade path all the way to the 5800x3d and 2 extra cores for a little bit of extra performance in multicore titles and future games all while having more cache and a far cheaper motherboard selection.
7:50 "i would go with the 12400f since that platform will stick around much longer".
Ooo that aged poorly. Amd released new AM4 Chips this year meanwhile lga1700 is a deadman walking with very little difference between 12000 and 14000 series. Meanwhile a jump between a ryzen 5 3600 to a ryzen 5 5600 would be night and day
I love how HWC make recommendations based on various scenarios in consideration of the strengths and weaknesses of each CPU instead of just throwing out numbers and leaving viewers to apply the data on their own. Thanks for the great content!
Только мэн забыл что 4500 можно разгонять. Никто в здравом уме не ставит 4500 к 3080. 4500 будет трудится с 3050\3060\3060ti, а с этими картами разница будет минимальна + с разгоном 4500 можно получить разницу в 5-10fps по итогу. Если у вас проблемы с деньгами и есть материнская плата на А320, В350, В450, Х370 и процессор 1600\2600 и ниже, то спокойно берите 4500. Платформа АМ4 будет актуальна ещё лет 5 минимум.
ok you seem pretty proud of that sponsor segway , i will not skip it , smooth transition tbh
Great video thanks for all this information !
I see the 4500 as the modern equivalent to the 1600 AF but a lot faster. Microcenter has these at $109 now and it will run on a inexpensive A320 board or better. The nearest modern Intel equivalent is the i5-10400 which is more expensive.
Not 10400 but 10400F (non F comes with an iGPU, not a comparable product). It is comparable to 5500 in gaming (depending on the game) and costs exactly as much as 4500.
@@CanIHasThisName Using 10th Gen Intel maybe cheap but very limiting compared to AMD where you can pretty much use any Ryzen cpu with any motherboard now.
Does 4500 worth the money? Is like 99 usd in my country.i want to upgrade from i7 4770K and buy new board
@@davidg2731 That is no longer a big selling point because the AM4 socket will be getting replaced. 4500 and 5500 are exactly the CPUs meant for users of old low-end Ryzens and I'll be getting one of them for my sister's PC soon. I definitely wouldn't be getting them for a new system, they're only compelling because I don't have to get a new motherboard and I can sell the old CPU for a little bit of cash that will go towards RAM.
4 years from now, it is extremely unlikely any of the current CPUs will make for a compelling upgrade. Second hand market prices tend to be too high (people are still trying to sell used Haswell i7 CPUs for more than current i3, which is more powerful) and even something 5600x isn't really a good upgrade for this (considering the price).
Is it worth to upgrade a ryzen 5 2600 to 4500? It is like 80$
I have 2 PCs, one is mine and one is my little brother's. He's only gaming while I'm not, both PCs run an RX6600XT so I think I'll just buy 2 R5-5500s to replace the old 1500x and 2600 present in these systems. Great deal, especially considering they're only $95 on newegg, while the 5600 is like 160$. Both PCs don't support PCIe 4 anyways
The thumbnail's superb
Just upgraded from a Ryzen 5 2600 (it waS way past time) to the Ryzen 5 5500. Got it for $90 on sale at Amazon. Plus upgraded my motherboard to go with this (Asus Rog Strix B550-F ... $157). Reusing ram I have and video card. So at that price I think I'm going to be fine. Heck my old Ryzen 5 2600 can run some AAA games still, like the new resident evil game village. I think spme people (and I used to be one a long time ago but to old and tired to care now lol) think they have to get the best and latest to play the latest games. Not true. Most reviewers just want to obsess on percentages which at the end of the day mean nothing.
In reality, no one is putting a 3090/4090 gpu with these cpu choices. I know they want to show performance differences but with a 3060 or so, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 4500 and a 5500 at all in gaming.
the r5 5500 was absolutely not worth the price when it was €160, but now its €120 and when you account for motherboard prices, both 12100f and 5500 would land at about the same price range. I think that the r5 5500 now is better value than 12100f since they have about the same gaming performance albeit 5500 is maybe 5%-10% slower which is negligible and can be negated with overclocking since the r5 5500 supports overclocking combined with a better choice for motherboards with better VRMs on AM4. You can't underestimate how much better the choice for motherboard is on AM4 side. In conclusion:
R5 5500:
Pros:
- on par gaming performance, but much better productivity performance;
- Better and cheaper motherboard choices.
Cons:
- No PCIE 4.0;
- AM4 is EOL so no new CPUs for upgrading down the road.
also it only has 4cores
You do have an upgrade path, 5800X 5800X3D, 5900X and 5950X
@@falcon6329 6
Dropped my $120 R5-5600g into my X370 Motherboard. I am hoping the new APU and BIOS will make the board less finicky with RAM. currently working with 2666, but it had a tantrum when I tried to Install 3200 mhz, back in 2017. Hoping for the bestbut, as is, I am very happy.
Oh, how I wish i could extend the life of my other MB/cpu, like my AM4 build. It is nice ASUS Maximus VIII Ranger and 6600k.
Well, I tried 16gb of RAM @ 3200 mhz, and @ 3600 mhz. I guess have to live with 2666mhz with this Motherboard. I use (overkill) 360mm AIO. I have another, new build, using a B550 Motherboard, and a smaller 240mm AIO, equipped with a GTX 980ti. The new board runs 10 degrees cooler. Maybe its the old board itself, maybe by using the Integrated graphics put more strain on the MB, making more heat.
Hmm… 12400F recommended, lets check the prices… (cries in 300 bucks)
Wish that 1600 & 1600AF/2600 had been included in the charts.
In my country R5 4500/5500 is sold for 60$/78$ brand-new.. fps wise these processors doesn't differ that much in performance compared 5600 and 5600x. Definitely a bang for your buck if ya ask me
I keep waiting and waiting still went from r3 1200 to a r7 1800x I found at $90...
I guess there would be no noticeable difference fps among r5 4500, r5 5500 and r5 5600 using a middle level card like a gtx 1660 super.. with a monitor limited to 60 fps.. so.. maybe I'm wrong, but I think the 4500 would be the sweet spot wise at around 100 euros..
I have that build You mention. R5 4500 and gtx1660 super and is not as bad. O still wondering about overclock it for higher performance. I played apex Legends on 1080p every set in low and it's very good 144fps, also on med setings 110fps
Facts
@@REPAROCOMPUSARG I'm gonna get the same processor with rx6600
i have exact that setup lol i playing warzone a 70 fps on high
I would not build a new system unless it supports all new Tech. AMD is just off loading their crap for now. They got to do something with all that old silicone. $
These are basically for old AM4 users to upgrade tbh. Like me.
2022 boxing day price 5500 is 99 cad , roughly 72 usd. bought one.
115 USD in my country
I bought r5 5500 for 89 bucks at micro center so I don’t regret it so bye bye I7 8700. Main reason is warzone 2.0 new maps laggy as hell on I7 8700. Now r5 5500 pairing with rx 6600 no issue.
Oh thank goodness for this review and comparison. I am helping a friend put together a pc and this was immense because the budget is tight but the am4 mobo is free so kind of a no brainer to go with the 5500 in their case.
No BRAINS to go 5500 ,, EXCELLENT brain to use 5600
@@tilapiadave3234 maybe when I decipher whatever language you are writing in I will understand… 👁 👄 👁
@@JosePineda-jn8jk Don't worry ine day you will have sufficient education to finally make it out of kindergarten
Hope you paid $120 or less otherwise you just WAY overpaid for a VERY poor CPU
@@tilapiadave3234 chill buddy, it's not even your money come on...
Better review than others who have focused only of the R5 4500 shit gaming, while missing that if you have an x370 which you use for Compiling of light production work it good. I was looking at a 12100 combo to replace my ageing 2200G system, now I might retire the x370 board into a home server if I can get a
The problem with the 2200g is it bottlenecks any gpu stronger than a RX 6400, although as just and APU its not bad.
Shut up a$$ wipe 4500 would be a great option for those who don't have their own petroleum plants you clown , 5500 is much more expensive than 4500 for gaming performance that don't even make sense in real life for a casual gamer and a student looking to build a pc
Just bought Ryzen 5500 from AliExpress at $106 & will pair it with MSI B450 A PRO MAX.
Upgrading from i7 2600k.
Hmm I still don't think they're quite competitive at those prices, especially when there's a strong second-hand market for am4 chips. Why get a $160 5500 when you could get 5600x or g for about the same
You can't get the 5600X for anywhere near 160 on the used market. You'd have to get super lucky to find it for that price.
@@syncmonism facts bro lol
I'm still using a 1700 on B350. Planning to get a 5600 or 5700x in the coming months
Ryzen 5500 is fine if its cheap enough, "but PCI GEN 4!" well if you have a B450 motherboard it does not matter...
yup.
thanks for the first intelligent review of these new lower-priced cpus, and where they realistically fit in the market
and since you mentioned it, if lga1700 gets one more generation of cpus/apus, it's already halfway to end of life at less than 12 months...which is nowhere near as long as am4 has been supported
(and to be transparent, this is being typed on an i7 920 (on 1366) machine, which is going to be replaced by an x570s setup)
LMAO fit in the market YOUR JOKING ,, 1950's performance ,, a JOKE
4500 is 60 half the price of other cpus its amazing for the price i downgraded from a 5600 due to bent pins and the difference is not huge
I have to say, as a consumer, this has become way too confusing. There are too many. 😅
Ask yourself, whether you're a casual gamer or a hardcore gamer then make the choice
5500 is the BEST COST BENEFIT PROCESSOR THAT EVER EXISTED
I wouldn’t buy these chips unless they were found for cheap. Luckily, microcenter (if your near one) sells the 5500 for $75-$90 depending on deals and the 4500 for $60-$75. That’s a solid deal for those chips, I wish we had more of these super cheap good ones.
For $99 Can. right now? Im that person. The 4500 will be a massive upgrade over the i5 3470 and work just fine with my XFX RX580.
Just got the 5600 (non X) for $185 on new egg to replace my 2700x in a B 450. Easy to justify the added cost compared to the 5500.
YES ,, you made the BEST choice ,, others on here PRETENDING the 5500 and 4500 are good are just FOOLS
ur 5600 will default in pcie 3.0 because ur b450 board only supports pcie 3.0
@@aaleescorner5400 Which will have near zero bad effect unless you are using some useless GPU
@@tilapiadave3234 i mean does it really have any difference when paired to a low end gpu like an rx6400 and a low end board like a520
Kinda disappointed you guys don't have a i3 12100f review, REALLY LOVE your cpu scaling benchmarks.
Smiley face conspiracy! haha
Do you think the 4500 is good enough for a dedicated streaming PC?
if you only use it for streaming and stream from another computer: Yes. If you play and stream from same computer, the 4 core chips are useless, and you'd better invest in a decent 6 thread chip like the 5600 or 12400 as a minimum.
With current Blac Friday pricing of the 4500, it costs half as much as a 5600 shipped (inc. taxes), its actually cheaper new than any zen 1000/2000/3000 6 core on 2nd hand markets. could argue that a zen1 user could upgrade to 4500 and sell their old one for an almost free upgrade. its a very sensible choice in that case.
Yes a 5600 is way faster in any scenario, but is it twice as fast with a budget gpu? (not a 3080ti) well, no.
I really wish more reviews would emphasize that outside of countries with a Microcenter these parts hold different values.
im currently on Ryzen 5 2600 and planning to buy ryzen 5 5500 or ryzen 5600. you think its still worth it to upgrade or nah ?
will WIN11 support the R5-2600? if so, would you be willing to deal with a wonky OS interaction, or just switching over to Linux?
5600 is definitely a superior/affordable cpu.
it should be compare to Ryzen 2600, 3600 and 5600 (with x or not) to check where is the real performance
I believe the 4500 is almost identical in gaming performance to a 2600x. It has a slight edge but will use less power.
Hmm, the 4500 is (in my country) 95 USD which makes them the best option
This dude tells you that if you spend more money on the cpu it will be better. Yeah no shit sherlock. Just cuz the lower end cpus cant output 300fps on the newest games while paired with a 4090 doesnt mean that the cpu is bad.
In an polish-only online stores the ryzen 5 4500 goes for around 75$, while 5 5600 goes for 175$. 4500 is enough for most games if you dont intend to play on the absolute max cpu-heavy graphic settings. The 6 cores are really usesful when it comes to rendering. Its enough. You dont need 12 core 5 GHz CPUs to game.
5600 goes on sale every few weeks for $118.00.
Not when the 12100f is $68. AMD dropped the price because _they had to._ Even at $75 it's trash vs Intel.
@@zodwraith5745 Im talking about polish prices tho? The 12100f is around 105 $
You can pay 5$ extra for ryzen 5 3600 which is a bit better than 4500. Lets be real, all of these CPUs can run any non CPU heavy game at 1080p.
Stop crying intel fanboy
@@Wolferr47 I don't give a shit about Intel. I'm a fan of value and for the majority of the world Intel is killing AMD on value. I just got a 12700k for $250 and _nothing_ AMD offers can compete with that for value. Not all of us are playing "non CPU heavy games." That's like saying "This race car is great as long as you never use it for racing."
The fact you instantly jump to insults only proves you're a brainless AMD fanboy pissed off that big bad Intel is showing AMD's greed now days. Intel is beating AMD for value all across the board.
Hey dude, the temp differences are going to be differences in the sensors. This die isn't going to be more concentrated than Intel. Alder Lake is "Intel 7" and has about the same density as TSMC N7. If anything the 5500 might run a little cooler over the die since the iGPU is disabled, regardless of what sensors suggest. The fact that you don't feel more heat is the tell tale on this. If any of these come with coolers, that should easily be good enough.
Ryzen 5 4500 is good for gaming. FPS are high enough and price is low. This CPU + RX 6600 8GB is best for quite cheap and silent gaming PC.
Does it make any difference with lower-end graphics cards ? e.g. GTX 1660 Super ? I would like to know if their performance only makes itself felt on more powerful graphics cards ? I ask because most tests take into account the top GPUs that maybe 2% of PC users have (at least that's what the Steam statistics indicate. After all, no one who with a sound mind buys a RTX 3080 TI will buy such a CPU!!! LOGICAL!!! But probably not for "everyone"....
alder lake chips in Mexico are 1/4 more expensive than Ryzen 5000 and the motherboards are more expensive as well so at least here is an easy decision in favor of AMD.
idk what he's talking about, i replaced my old amd a10 with a 5500 with a full on ram and motherboard swap too and it cost me less than an i5 12400f for me
GN does not agree with the positive outlook on these launches lol
Not everyone agrees with everyone.
That's often the case with GN. Was the same with 10400, which didn't fully deliver what you might expect from it, but once it reached its post launch pricing, it was actually the best value chip on the market.
The thing is that 10400f is actually haunting both of these chips. It's comparable in gaming to 5500, but costs as much as 4500. So they're only really good if you already have an old Ryzen system and want to upgrade the CPU cheaply, without swapping the motherboard.
I got 1600 AF, so... the cheapest pcie gen 4 cpu is 5600 (non x)?
AM4 is not at the end of its life. It will be supported for many years. When you say End of Life, that's the same as "EOL", and that has a particular meaning of support going away, and that includes hardware and software support. AM4 is going to be supported for many years. It's a dominant platform.
Words matter.
In fact anyone with an X570 MB has full PCIe gen4, and the advantage of gen5 over gen4 isn't going to show up any time soon, unless a GPU comes out as PCIe gen5 X4. I suspect this will happen for low end GPUs because THAT speed is the same as PCIe gen3 X16 which is PLENTY for low end GPUs, it's more than enough for the next few years, AND PCIe gen5 X4 will be lower latency than PCIe gen3 X16 because each data transfer happens quicker, like 4X the speed.
and lga 1700 might already be halfway to eol
What does "dominant platform" even mean? AM4 will not be getting any new CPUs. That's the end of its life, it will become a dead platform. This can also mean that AM4 boards may stop being manufactured relatively soon. There's no point generalizing, it means a very specific thing when it comes to CPU sockets.
Ryzen 5 5500 would be great deal at around £100.Hopefully more price drops.
Unfortunately, the 4500 is more than that. The 5500 is around £160.
It’s £88
I buy Ryzen 5 4500 for 71 € here in Germany.
fr i bought mine for that
How it perform in Gaming ? All people say it’s a bad COU while I found it pretty décent for it’s Price.
@@imbranTV I am satisfied with the gaming performance for my requirements. Previously had a Ryzen 7 1700 and I think the Ryzen 5 has made a good leap in performance simply because of the higher clock rate. My graphics card is the Radeon RX 6600.
@@Sensei486 thank you very much for your feedback bro
@@imbranTV Nothing to thank for.
I would like seeing the Ryzen 5 3600 in this scheme, as Ryzen 5 4500 costs about the same as a Ryzen 5 3600 right now. I would go with Ryzen 5 3600.
There's only two processors I want to get, a 4750G and a 5600g. Both mine and the family rig could do with a boost.
4700g and 4750 g both available on Ali express at EXCELLENT price ,, the 4700g is same but UNLOCKED
im gona make the jump to to zen 4 or whatever intel is coming up with from my i7 2600k ...can't wait boys!!
Wait - by your numbers i5 12400F vs Ryzen 5 5500:
Longterm power: 65W - equal, Performance - only in Handbreak the 12400F was bit first....
Why again do you say that the R5 5500 is more efficient than Intels CPUs? They are right between the 12400F and 12100F. pretty even.
so friends, this review made me buy an ryzen 4500, just for fun, it was for 50 euros with shipping. i gonna game and OC the hell out of it and give you my personal review as soon as i am done.
funfact, currently i use my 5600g, which I removed from an x300. i am very satisfied with the cezeanne cpu, so i am curious what my downgrade will do :D cheers everybody, god, i love hardware!
50 euros for R5 4500 🤯 thats a bargain
@@someboringperson9359 yeah mate, and i did pair it with a 1070 ti which I oc´ed. seems to be a nice fit, system is going strong, and yeah, i still game on a 1080 monitor
i can recommend it :)
@@ShrineOfLife your setup is similar to mine except I have normal gtx 1070 and r5 5500 which just came today. I bough it for 100 euros and I think its worth every money. I waited so long to upgrade from my old i7 3770k but I finally made a decision to do it yesterday. Super worth it and honestly I feel a bit stupid for not doing it earlier and for waiting so long. Going from ddr3 to ddr4 platform with Zen 3 is like night and day.
@@someboringperson9359 na, i completly can understand that :D back in the day, i was still holding on to my core 2 quad (an oc´ed 9300), so that was ddr2 era, and I tried to skip ddr3 :D did not make it, it was a leap for me, but I was all amd back in the day, i loved to OC my 8370e. so yeah. hardware is awesome! you bough the cpu for 100e, or the combo together with the gpu?`that! would be a steal :D
which board do you use with ur 5500?
cheers!
@@ShrineOfLife Now that you mentioned core 2 quad, I also had one to be specific Q9550 and I later OCed the crap out of it too haha. I had it all the way up to 2018 which is insane when I think about it. To answer your question, I bought only the CPU for 100€. The motherboard which I've got is Asus Prime B550M-K and it was not my greatest decision ever especially since I bought it for a quite high price(100€). There were so many better options with B450 chipset but I only choosed to go with this one because of PCIE Gen 4 because I just wanted to future proof myself a bit. Ended up realising that my R5 5500 doesnt even support PCIE Gen 4 😂, it was a complete waste of money but hey it still runs and chughs good 👍
Ryzen r5 5600 is best choice for budget amd users.
it is not budget for many
@@СергійЯценко-ю2о facts hahaha thank God someone understands
Great review! I gotta say, it's too bad AMD hasn't fixed my(and many others) USB drop-out issue on my b350 board or I'd be looking to upgrade my cpu as I'm only running a 1600.
I don't think B450 boards have that problem. I had a b450 gaming plus and a 2600. B450 boards are still being produced so you don't necessarily have to buy a b550 or an X470 or X570 board. You can upgrade to a 6 core or a 65 watt 8 core (5700x) for $100 or less for the motherboard.
@@gmaxsfoodfitness3035 Yeah, then I'm pretty much building a new pc at that point =P
Me with my 1700x that gets beaten by the 4500 "haha yea that's garbage"
With the 5600 going down to $129 at newegg / amazon last week on sale there is no reason to consider 5500/4500. I found a sealed new in the box 5600G for $80 and at that price for the bedroom MediaPC I decided to bite. Not much of an upgrade over a 3600/GT1030 DDR5 but less power by a little and I can sell the 3600 / 1030 for likely more than $80. Less heat in the case with my passive 1030.
I would recommend only 5600,5700x and the best am4 gaming cpu 5800x3d
Why would you recommend the x3d tho, lol. It's got such a damn niche use case.
@@SupremeDP Why not, it's like saying why would you recommend 3090ti people with money will buy it regardless
I just bought the 4500 for 69usd, to upgrade my 3200g and add an rx 6600 to it, did I make a good purchase?
mhm good choice :D
Hello, I'm thinking of buying the cpu and gpu combo, to play AAA games at 60 fps in high quality 1080p, do you recommend it?
Ryzen 4500 is not good Ryzen 5500 is much better
Dimitry back in Canada?! Nice - I hope!
I have a little hard time seeing the hate against the R5 4500, I can see it's the slowest CPU to game on, but is there a game it cannot play?
For me it also comes down to the price.
And what too use it for.
Right now in Denmark the 12100 its around 33% more expensive than the R5 4500.
At one point i considered to buy on and use in my secondary rig. An old athlon with ddr3.
So that would have been a major update anyway 😁
Thanks for the video bro, but I buy the ryzen 5 4500 because it is very cheap with an rtx 2060, so I have the question if that will have bottleneck? :c
I hope someone can clear my doubt, thank you very much
It won't bottleneck brother, I'm using it with rx6600 much superior than rtx2060 and it runs just amazing!
prices are way diff if you are watching the video now at 2024, but still 2 years ago i got the 4500 for 79 euros
Thanks ,, I feel like a idiot lol , I was under the feeling the 5500 would support PCI-e 4.0 as the 5600 does , its okay though as I have my older Msi-B450A-Pro Max , a Ryzen 5 2600 and my old MSI Rx 480 , 16Gb of G-Skill 3600 ddr4 , should give me a boost . Will wait till Zen 4 arrives to build a real Pc then :)
I'm really looking for a good reason to upgrade my 2600X and have yet to find one
i own 5900x,i had 3600 and before that 2600,if you are not looking for more than 100fps at 1080p,2600x still very good cpu,no need to upgrade,if you game at high resolution
It's not too late. The 5500 is probably a good buy.
It is, for older systems, i have bought it for my old emulation machine and it`s ok, i replaced old r3 1300x so it`s significant boost and board use pci 3.0 so i don`t lose there ither. Undervolted to 1.2v and overclocked slightly to 4.3GHz don`t go over 66c and gives 4130 in r20 cinebench, not bad at all.
It's too late for your brain health if you think the 5500 is a good buy
My brain health is at least 10 times better than your`s badass keyboard warrior, if you are too mentally challenged to figure why it`s good buy it`s just your problem.
What about those who want an upgrade from a ryzen 3600?
Go for a 5600X (or non-X) then. It's the most value in an upgrade that you can just drop in with a bios update.
Keep on eye on the second hand market and maybe shoot for a 5800x if it's within your budget, it should do you well for years
@@Zicrixdoesart The newly released 5700X is better value for the same performance tier
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 100% true, if they can wait long enough for them to show up in the second-hand market that would be an even better deal
I would pass even on the 5600x. I only see the 5700x as a worthy upgrade there, and that's if you need the extra cores. Otherwise just stick it out until Zen 4 or beyond, you won't get much from one gen to another.
These processors are fine for desktop business systems. Not every desktop is used for gaming.
i am proud of choosing Ryzen 5 5500. I have old RTX2070 anyway, therefore PCIEx 4 is not important, price about 103 USD was a fair price.