Classical Composer Reacts to Octavarium (Dream Theater) | The Daily Doug (Episode 134)
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In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm listening to Octavarium by @dreamtheaterofficial. I was blown away by this amazing piece of music. Strap in and go along for the ride...it's a long episode but totally worth it!
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Imagine Doug doing the whole Metropolis Pt.2 Album. I would legit pay for that.
If Doug sets up a patreon i would gladly pay
Me too! Love Metropolis Pt.2
yup
Just thought about it!!!
I'm In...
This Is far more than a reaction, this Is a lesson
for real
You are right, he is the best to analyze of the ones reacting to music on the tube now, you actually learn something and he choses interesting music
Otacon! I’m at the sneak point. Kept you waiting huh?
True
a life lesson
I think Octavarium deserves to be stored with the national archives, for its significance to music. Truly.
Octavarium is also exactly 24 minutes long, the number hours in day. ("So secure content to live each day just like the last", "Trapped inside this Octavarium", "This story ends where it began")
Fibonacci's succession!!!
It's moreso a play on the number 8, like everything else in the album. 24/3 = 8, octavarium (oct = 8), 8 songs, etc.
It’s also a reference to the song Octavarium by progressive metal band Dream Theater - a song which is exactly 24 minutes long
@@SJ-ym4yt it’s not really a reference to octavarium itself, octavarium is that same reference to the number 8 which is a play on an octave.
So that's what that beginning section is for lmao
As Dream Theater began working on what would become Octavarium, Portnoy noted that it would be their eighth studio album and that they had recently released their fifth live album, Live at Budokan. This sequence mirrored the octave of a keyboard: each octave contains eight natural and five accidentals. Portnoy suggested to the band members that they would compose the album following this concept. While writing, the group assigned each song a different key. To connect the various songs, some sound effects have been applied: for example The Root of All Evil, written in F, and the following track, The Answer Lies Within, written in G, are linked through a sound effect composed in F sharp major. The lyrics and song titles also refer to this concept. Some examples cited by Portnoy are the titles of the opening piece The Root of All Evil (from "root", the root note of a chord) and the closing piece Octavarium ("the octave of an octave").
Octavarium begins with The Root of All Evil, whose initial note is the same as the one with which the song In the Name of God, present in the previous album, ends. This characteristic had already been applied by the group also with As I Am, the opening track of Train of Thought which begins with the last note of the title track of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and with The Glass Prison, opening track of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence which begins with the same audible rustle at the end of Finally Free, the final track of Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory. This feature was born out of Portnoy's inspiration from the Van Halen album Women and Children First, in which the ending of the final track of the album ends with a new riff that is played while a fade occurs; the drummer remembered hoping that the next Van Halen album would open with that final riff, but was disappointed when they didn't do that. He later realized he had "dug a hole where we expected to do it every time", but he solved the problem with Octavarium, where the title track finale ends with the introduction of the first track. This made the album a cycle in itself, allowing the group to have a clean start with their next album.
I really miss them doing concepts like this. It made the albums feel connected, then adding the AA suit across 5 albums, metropolis pt 1 to pt2. Now there’s no more connections or concepts like that anymore.
@@drumjosh1987 i think they are trying out new concepts :)
There's nothing wrong with that but still the previous ones were the best.
Guh that’s so much juicy symbolism. Never got too into DT but I can appreciate the absolute god tier musicianship from all involved. Also, Doug you’re the man for doing these videos - your brains are also much appreciated. Thanks!
@@drumjosh1987 Because MP left.
You explained it much better than I did.
Most in depth High IQ reaction channel on the internet. Love it Doug.
Hands down
The "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" influence is just dripping from that intro.
i was looking for this comment, thank you
That's so true hahahaha
Only for the first minute or so.
To a T
Yeah, a cross between that and Steve Howe.
This is the perfect song to put on when you think your own music is good and you need a dose of humility.
haha yea. perfect reminder to us all
Thank you Doug for actually reviewing and reacting to songs and not just sitting like a lump or making uninformed comments. Thanks for being real! And intelligent!
Are you from Portland, Maine Tim?
@@Deilwynna it's because he try to understand what they doing (music theory, composition, etc)
@@salkynsuuguitarraqua no, I am from the twin cities area.
@@salkynsuuguitarraqua I do have a common name
@@timbaker7238 got it
Just noticed, the birds in the artwork are the black keys on the piano, the spheres are the white keys, which makes the notes F to F
Hahah! Nice catch! I didn’t notice that before. Makes sense. Thanks for sharing.
Well spotted!
Yep that's one of the Eastereggs on the cover
Wow, well spotted. And that's me thinking that the 5 birds are the band.... which could be an additional intention. 🙂
Oh smack!
Fun fact - you actually listened to a pre-release version of the song, which leaked out onto the internet a week or two before this album came out - the flute solo at the very end is only present in that demo version, in the actual released version, the flute solo is not there, and is replaced by the first few notes of the first song from the album - this was done for two reasons, firstly to make the album go full circle, as that's a huge theme of Octavarium, and secondly due to the fact that Dream Theater wanted to end the "meta album" concept, their 6th album began the static noise from the end of the previous one, then the 7th album began with the fadeout from the 6th reversed, and the 8th album, Octavarium, opened with the same piano note that ended the 7th (which Jordan played with his nose). So basically everything from "Scenes from a Memory" up through "Octavarium" are one continuous work. They wanted to end that as it put a lot of pressure on them to begin the next album in a specific way, so by ending Octavarium with it's own beginning, they got out of that loop pretty well.
Yes indeed. For all of us musicians who love DT would just marvel at how each end note of a song leads to the next song as a continuum, and when songs are reviewed as a single song - they don't get the seamless continuation into the next song if the pause was removed.
Wait what do you mean Jordan played it with his nose??
@@VHCosta he literally bent over and played it with his nose, there was a video of it up on the band's website, probably can find it on UA-cam now if you look
Couldn't have said it better myself
What? No man, I have a physical copy of this album from the time it came out. Listened to it dozens of times, and the flute solo is there at the end.
Doug is not only excepionally skilled in explaining the concepts of harmony, he is also extremely good at intepreting the lyrics.
“Dough” 💀
@@timothylirette4939 edited.
Right like he perfectly described the ENTIRETY of 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence and Dark Side of the Moon and knows every note in existence
This is not just a reaction channel. This channel is a true journey into the depths of the most intricate nuances of the individual artists of songs you are reacting to. Harmonically, technically, rhythmically, lyrically, and melodically. What a journey my friend. I leave each of your videos inspired and excited about music. Really good. Invaluable insights!
What a great comment 😊
Agreed!
Thirded! ❤
That last JP solo makes me weep
Same effect with The Best of Times: a great solo after a great note of LaBrie, a great ending to a great song.
Petrucci is a freaking genius, in my opinion. They all are.
Yes that solo and Best of Times are just flawless and reeking of emotion
*Shred's cry*
The solos in Breaking All Illusions have a ton of feelz, as well. If you haven’t heard, check it out.
Yep. When John releases his inner Gilmour, like in Lines in the Sand, it is something else.
28:45 This entrance of the strings still brings tears into my eyes after 20 years.
absolutely. hits me hard everytime i hear it
This is the most incredible piece of music human kind has ever recorded in my humble opinion. 8 million stars.
100% agreed no piece of art exists in this world that can come close to the brilliance of this piece
for me , 8 billion stars
Absolute and undeniable truth
Relax guys and listen to Beethoven's 3rd! (I LOVE Octavarium by the way 😊)
They played this live on their "score" 20th anniversary concert dvd and everyone should watch that.
I was there and nearly shit myself it was soooo awesome.
@@alexojeda9048 that’s so cool. Been one of my favorite live DVDs ever
Same. I was there that evening and not gonna lie, i cried when the strings hit in razor's edge. It was a special night. One of my favorite nights in my 35 years on this earth.
I concur!
yes
The meaning behind the Octavarium is ending exactly behind you begun, therefore, 8 spheres, 8 whole tones (12 notes including half steps), each song in the album follows a specific key, starting from The Root Of All Evil in F, going up till they reach Octavarium, again in F, a full Octave.
The songs are in the natural keys, and there are interludes for the accidentals.
@@Kylora2112 Ahh.
@George Deves You said 8 spheres, 8 tones. I add that 8 spheres got a covers of previous DT album (this all spheres looks like a "pendulum" toy in the psyhistrist room). This song is very difficult to brake.
@@pin-upmariposa412 in the album art there isn't the other album arts in the spheres, though it's a cool addition on this cover that's shown
@@rockonileva You have a right. Anyway (as you said) it's nice adition.
That flute at the beginning hits soooo hard, I can't get over it
It’s so Genesis
If you listen closely you can hear the flute player taking breaths, which I thought was cool that it's not just a keyboard sound or something
It's probably my 5th time watching this video, and will keep going over time
So I guess I'm trapped on this reactivarium!
Me too
Reactivarium 😂😭
I would LOVE a 1 hour special with you reacting to Six degrees of inner turbulence (SCORE verison). Absolute masterpiece
Id pay for that
Not quite sure he's really enjoy that since the orchestra on that show was not having their best night...
@@MrFritzinger Yeah, might as well just go with the (better mixed) studio version.
Plus, it's more like 8 songs with good transitions between one another, and a few recurring themes.
Goodnight Kiss is fucking amazing, though!!!
Yes please
Would be very disappointed if he did the score version instead of the studio.
Not sure if anyone noticed, the birds in the album art actually represent black keys! Very clever
I thought that was the member of Dream Theater. And raven is the one of an "intelligent" animal. Lol that's ridiculous opinion
@@prasetyoyulanda1710 well it can be that too since there are 5 of them, because in the inner sleeve the 3 ex-member of DT is referred as that too
@@prasetyoyulanda1710 It´s both. Look at a piano keyboard and start the white/black keys pattern on an F note (the "key" that the album revolves around) and it alines perfectly.
Yes .. but 'very'..!! OK, if you say so ..
@@abdurrahmanzulfikry9202 not quite. When this album came out, they still had the Johns and Mike as the 3 original members. So it would have to be the other way around.
I normally dislike reaction videos, but you actually take time to absorb the music, you explore the background and you teach your audience about everything you've discovered. From musical theory to explanation and your own interpretation of lyrics. Super cool, thank you Sir! I've learned so much from this video.
I have literally listened to all of Dream Theater's songs a thousand times. As a former musician, I literally studied them for years when I was younger and I know almost everything about every song. Watching your reactions make me cry of joy and of a strange kind of emotion, like your innocent surprise it's mine all over again
wow. Respect.
IMHO this is Dream Theater's finest moment. This song alone encapsulates everything the band stands for musically. While you're at it btw...doing DTs long songs that is, you HAVE TO do A Change of Seasons.
I was gonna say Six Degrees. That's gonna be like a 90 minute video though. Would definitely watch.
I was thinking A Change of Seasons! Great choice
A Change of Seasons by Dream Theater. I would love to watch that review.
I have a soft spot for "Take the time". But Metropolis for me takes the cake.
Then again, I'm not a super huge Dream Theater fan. But yeah, that's where I stand.
Yes, please! Change of Seasons is a Rock MASTERPIECE!!
Imagine if Dream Theater reacted to you reacting and appreciating what you're picking up. That'd be awesome.
Man this must happen
@@MetalPesado It would be really educational and humbling.
Doug could have an actual conversation with them to discuss the music directly, and capably. That would be very cool.
@@twocatsyelling723 Maybe someday!
@@Doug.Helvering dream theater the dance of eternity.. do it
There's many things in life I wish I could experience for the first time... However, Octavarium and A Change of Seasons are the two songs I can hear for years and still feel the same joy as the first time I heard them. My cousin gave me A Change of Seasons CD for my birthday back in 2001 and my 11 year old brain just exploded. Sounds dramatic but it changed my entire life. Thanks for this reaction!
The “scream without a sound” lyric is a reference to Rush during their ‘influences’ section of Full Circle. Referring back to Cygnus X-1, Book 2.
He did it! Seriously I’m so happy you enjoyed this. Many have already posted recommending Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. It’s an even bigger time commitment at over 40 minutes but it would be fun!
Yes, 100%. I would absolutely love to see him break down that masterpiece
I gasped when I saw that Doug finally did this song! So excited that he got around to it.
Great recommendation
Love me some Six Degrees!
Do the Score version where the intro is all orchestra. =)
You’re the best thing that has happened to UA-cam.
Thank you Jerry.
@@Doug.HelveringHi Doug, love your videos and particularly Dream Theater as they are my favourite band, so keep them coming 😁
Here's a link to the meaning of the lyrics, absolutely brilliant concept.....enjoy
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavarium_(song)#:~:text=Octavarium%20%2D%20%22A%20Perfect%20Sphere%2C,Everything%20ends%20where%20it%20began%22
Agree 100%
For me, too. Doug brings another level of comprehension for the songs. Great guy!
I actually couldn't agree more. its so amazing to watch somebody react to dream theater and be able to give us insight into the songs we love so much
One of my favorite parts of the song is that each stanza is a callback to the other songs on the album. Doug already touched on this but just for fun
"Our deadly sins feel his mortal wrath
Remove all obstacles from our path" -The Root of All Evil
"Asking questions, search for clues
The answer's been right in front of you"
-The Answer Lies Within
"Try to break through, long to connect
Fall on deaf ears and failed muted breath"
-These Walla
"Loyalty, trust, faith and desire
Carries love through each darkest fire"
-I Walk Beside You
"Tortured insanity, a smothering hell
Try to escape but to no avail"
-Panic Attack
"The calls of admirers who claim they adore
Drain all your lifeblood while begging for more"
-Never Enough
"Innocent victims of merciless crimes
Fall prey to some madmen's impulsive designs"
-Sacrificed Sons
"Step after step we try controlling our fate
When we finally start living it's become too late"
-Octavarium, almost like coming full circle within the same song
That is so cool ! I've never been the biggest fan of DT, but this song is awesome and I love all these easter egg/callbacks, they get really creative with them
Until this album, each studio album started on the same note that the last one ended on. Octavarium ends where it begins
Almost, they started doing it from Metropolis pt. 2.
It's like showing your favourite band to a friend and them being really hyped about it instead of shrugging it off and changing subject.
I was crying by the end with your reaction. Thank you.
Me too!!!!
This is exactly the point of watching reactions. My husband doesn't understand me " why don't you listen to the song itself?"
Agreed!!
I'm addicted to reactions to music for this reason.
How to motivate people to keep playing their instrument but at the same time willing to stop and sell their instrument: Dream Theater
Truth
You are correct that they are referencing each song on the album in the intervals section. Not only does each line summarize the message of each song, but if you listen closely, they put a sample audio clip from each album track in the background of each line, including the song Octavarium itself (“medicate me”). They also play the opening theme while James is screaming “Trapped Inside this Octavarium” (listen very closely). These guys are geniuses and they put so much thought into every section.
This might have been mentioned already, but it still amazes me to this day. About the album art: something not many people have noticed, are the birds. They're not placed randomly. Imagine the spheres being the white piano keys, and the birds being the black keys. You then get a beautiful octave going from F to F, which is coincidentally (or not) also the root of the song. There's so much thought put into this!
I have "discovered" this right now! I was searching it before comment and found yours. YES! IS A FUCKING PIANO STARTING FROM F! And every ball is also the root of every song.
@@ProwlerProwler wtf I just realised it
it can't be. There's just one spot in the middle where there isn't a black key (bird) but on the piano there are always spots where there aren't two black keys
Oh ok, I kinda get it now..
maybe the 5 birds can also be representing the 5 band members, thats what i first thought
Remember, the three original guys in the band went to Berklee College of Music, and Jordan went to Julliard, so they REALLY know their theory. They know exactly what they're doing, and hope that guys like you sit there and pick out all those various intervals, chord shifts, tempo changes, etc. Their music is such a master class in extreme composition, pushing the boundaries, yet remaining catchy and just fun to listen to. I've been a fan since the early 90's, and their music still does it for me.
I’ve been a fan for less than a year (as I didn’t know they existed and am young) but they are easily my favorite band
This song is such a masterpiece. Calling it a song is an understatement, its a fucking journey
Wich one?
The 4 note french horn ending gives me chills every time
samee bro its the greatest ending to any song ever
Octavarium this word exists:
the word comes from the Latin, and means “series of holy devout exercises with which you continue for eight days to celebrate a mystery or a party" (I read it directly from the Italian dictionary. So Octavarium can also make sense metaphorical, but it is inspired by this thing
Now do the 40 minute epic known as "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence"!
And do it from the Score DVD filmed with a full orchestra at Radio City in NY!!
@@TheMcBadie That "Score" version is by far my favorite
Up
Indeed! The score version of 6 degrees is amazing! (Octavarium's too)
Another vote for Score version of SDoIT!!!
I wasn't a Dream Theater fan until this video.
Welcome to the Dream Theater fan club!
I'm sorry my dude, but welcome! Wish I could listen to all of these for the first time again!
better late than never!
Welcome & congrats!
Waaaawwww... You just start with the heavy one
Doug, not sure if you noticed, but the birds on the cover art, when starting on F are the semi-tones. Cheers! Great video!
and that all covers from prior albuns are reflected on THE BALLS
I just now realized that and holy fuck. Indeed.
I believe the birds also represent that at time of this release, dt had 5 live albums out
@@PeteSolar nop, dt had 7 albums out, this was their 8th
1989 When Dream and Day Unite
1992 Images and Words
1994 Awake
1997 Falling into Infinity
1999 Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory
2002 Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
2003 Train of Thought
2005 Octavarium
@@PeteSolar ohhh i see, sorry
"This sequence mirrored the octave on a musical keyboard: each octave contains eight naturals and five accidentals. Portnoy suggested that they use that concept for the entire album.[11] When writing, the band delegated each song a different key. Sound effects were placed between songs to connect them: for example, "The Root of All Evil", written in F minor, and the following track, "The Answer Lies Within", written in G minor, were connected by a sound effect in the key of F♯ minor. The album's lyrics and song titles featured references to this concept. Portnoy cited the titles "The Root of all Evil" (referring to the musical term "root") and "Octavarium" ("the octave of the octave") as two examples of this."
The live version with the full orchestra is something to be witnessed.
Since I have it in my clipboard - ua-cam.com/video/2gf8_kVS1OE/v-deo.html
16 years and still gives me shivers.
Great music like this is simply intemporal. :)
cant believe its been that long... remember when this was the first new dream theater album that came out shortly after i became a fan. fantastic stuff.
I experienced this song live. It was a journey
It's just a truly, epically written song in every department. Vocals, guitar, drums, bass, keyboard, violins, everything.
Geez
A truly masterpiece!
Sometimes when it's too hot I put the ending of this song on just to get some chills.
lol
Petrucci once said that he had a nightmare in which he played so fast it all sounded like one note :P
DT is ... mindblowing.
The way I interpret the whole story of the song is:
- When Dream Theater first started they tried to carve their own path, and wanted it to be as different as possible from everything that came before them ("I never wanted to become someone like him", "So I swore that I'd
Never be someone like him").
- However, now, after all these years of trying to be different, they realized they are building upon all of their inspirations and trying to reach their heights ("So suddenly, the only thing I wanted to become, to be someone just like him").
- At the end, they finally accept the fact that although they tried their best being 'different', they are actually walking the same path as all the people they look up to ("Trapped inside this Octavarium", as if saying "I am what my predecessors made me") .
To summarize, I think this whole song is speaking about their journey as a band and how they can't escape the influence of their inspirations (and at this point they realize their inspirations are who made them what they are, and are grateful for that).
the reference was the record deal they were in. the label wouldn't promote them, and had lowered the budget considerably over the years.
Doug my man, listening to this with you has been a real pleasure.
You’re right
Agreed!
Thank you.
Tobee!
Lol so THAT happened! Great reaction and keep em coming. I ve been a fan of yours and Dream Theater since the respective beginnings
I love this guy!!! Perfect review and reaction. His reaction at 34:50 is me everytime that part comes. “Yes!!!” 🙌🏻 the most uplifting section of the solo
This is probably if not definitely THE most articulate and thoughtful reaction to Dream Theater. Well done - instantly subbed and probably also fell in love. 11/10 want to be friends.
Hi friend! Thanks for the sub!
A Change of Seasons
This is song is a masterpiece.
You should check out Live Scenes from New York. OMG this was the best show ever.
"Learning to live" by the way is also very good.
Oh Doug, i'm so glad that you're reacting to Dream Theater. Seeing you with a big smile and just feeling happy about such a great music is heartwarming and gives me the feeling i had many years ago when Dream Theater started their journey.
@That1JPfanboy Yeah there are some very tricky parts. The time signatures are all over the place mate. It took me about a year to master this
I came here to post this!!! I would lo to see Doug enjoy a change of seasons Live in New York... THIS IS MASTER PEACE!!! Hope to see this in another episode.
I, on the other hand, think that if Doug is going to react to A Change of Seasons, he should go for the studio version for an accurate first impression of the song. The audio is much better mixed in the studio version. As a musical composer, Doug would most likely appreciate hearing cleaner distinct notes and nuances from the instruments (as well as James' vocals) as intended to be heard in the band's original composition.
Introduction: Shine one you crazy diamond; "Seven seas...": Queen; the name, the word Octavarium: Astor Piazzola
So nice to know the reaction I had when I was 13 and heard it for the first time is the same as a professional composer. Every note is completely embedded in my head for the better part of 2 decades. Absolutely legendary album.
This song was the "Infinity War" level of hype for me on your channel. I dropped what I was doing for this video lol
me too. hahaha. this is fucking crazy
Oh boy I knew this one was gonna be good. Some clarifications to some of the stuff you were talking/asking about:
In Intervals, each line references a track on the album Octavarium, in order, ending with itself. If you listen *really* closely, you can hear a short clip from each song playing in the background during these lines.
The very ending of the released version of the song isn't actually the fading out flute that you heard - it was changed away from this at the very last minute but this flute version was leaked onto the internet before release. The album version of Octavarium ends with a low F note on the piano, which is how the album starts (this story ends where it began etc).
Each part of the song describes a different eventual cycle of something ending where it begins - for Someone Like Him you pretty much nailed the meaning. For Medicate, the person starts and ends in a coma. For Full Circle, you also picked up on the meaning - they're paying homage to their influences whilst also becoming them. For Intervals, it's really the album wrapping back round on itself, and for Razor's Edge, it's the song wrapping back on itself. In fact, the song being 24 minutes long is itself a reference to the daily cycle of hours!
The album (and its art) is filled with references to the number 8, but also to the number 5, referencing the sharps/flats. You can see on the album art that the birds fly in between the eight balls at the places where the black keys would be. When listening to the full album, there is extra "weirdness" between some of the songs that represents these notes. If listening on a CD player, these sounds show as the "negative time" between songs.
Nice!
Man, I love this band. I hope they still here for many years as their geniality lives.
Additional note, "Medicate" is based on the plot of the 1990 Robin Williams/Robert DeNiro drama "Awakenings."
The flute part reminds me heavily of Camel's song Air Born
24 minutes can be another 8 reference: 8x3, and 3 is the difference between 8 and 5. Was my first thought about it.
Octavarium is the eighth studio album by American progressive metal band Dream Theater. Released on June 7, 2005, it was the band's final release with Atlantic Records. Recorded between September 2004 and February 2005, it was the last album recorded at The Hit Factory in New York City. With it, the band decided to create "a classic Dream Theater album", drawing upon their various stylistic influences while trying to make the music less complex. The album takes its creative concept from the musical octave.
When starting to work on what would become Octavarium, Portnoy noted that it would be their eighth studio album and that they had recently released their fifth live album, Live at Budokan. This sequence mirrored the octave on a musical keyboard: each octave contains eight naturals and five accidentals. Portnoy suggested that they use that concept for the entire album. When writing, the band delegated each song a different key. Sound effects were placed between songs to connect them: for example, "The Root of All Evil", written in F minor, and the following track, "The Answer Lies Within", written in G minor, were connected by a sound effect in the key of F♯ minor. The album's lyrics and song titles featured references to this concept. Portnoy cited the titles "The Root of all Evil" (referring to the musical term "root") and "Octavarium" ("the octave of the octave") as two examples of this.
After writing the concept album Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory, the double album Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence and the metal-focused Train of Thought, the band decided to create "a classic Dream Theater album". Keyboardist Jordan Rudess described it as "really going back to creating a real band effort, as well as drawing upon all our various stylistic influences."
This was the last Dream Theater album I was really into, but they hit it hard with this one. Scenes From a Memory is required Prog listening.
I think it's great to see a song like this reviewed by someone who can actually appreciate all that is going on in the song.
My new Friday normal. Come home from work, change, grab an adult beverage and listen to Doug's schooling on an epic piece of music. Really getting into these Friday longer videos.
Agreed! Now time for him to tackle Six Degrees on Inner Turbulence.
He is exactly showing us how music actually makes us feel ❤️❤️❤️
even if this is not doug-related and maybe controversial. for me this is the best dream theater song ever.
I would like it a lot more if the first section just didn't exist or was much shorter. The other parts are for sure some of their best work though. Not my favorite but I prefer earlier DT before Rudess.
@@deaj8450 the less Dream Theater sounds like Rush the more I like them. lol
@@neoneherefrom5836 Fair enough but I don't really even think early DT really sounds much like Rush, besides maybe When Dream and Day Unite.
I just don't like Rudess' composition for keys as much as Sherinian or Moore. Then after Portion left I basically can't bring myself to listen to them. Not that none of their songs post Portnoy are good, but I am not a fan of Mangini's style of drumming/writing.
From When Dream and Day Unite all the way through to Six Degrees is my favorite work of theirs. I guess Train of Thought too. With the exception of Metropolis pt 2 which I think is really overrated, It's been awhile but I don't remember loving that "victorian" kind of sound it evoked. Not that there weren't great songs on it.
@@deaj8450 for a long time I never liked anything past Falling Into Infinity but eventually Metropolis Pt. 2 grew on me.
I don’t need Dream Theater to be proggy but when they are I need them to do it in a natural way.
Most of the time post Sherinian it just sounds forced.
@@neoneherefrom5836 I definitely agree that they force it now with Rudess which is where I think most of the 'wankery' comments people make come in. Not that it's necessarily on him but the composition has definitely changed. They used to be so much more soulful, even though I usually hate that criticism most of the time. Falling Into Infinity is very underrated by most fans, I wish they kept Sherinian.
My favorite album from them is probably Awake. Height of Labrie's singing and their original style but done in the darker, heavier tone of later albums.
A Change of Seasons is their best epic song imo (Octavarium being a close second)
Agree
Change is not a song, but in that regard i'd rather watch a six degrees reaction video
Definitely not the biggest DT fan here, but Change of Seasons and Octavarium especially are awesome. Long epics that evolve and maintain cohesiveness; the polar opposite of stuff like Count of Tuscany and Six Degrees, which are just a whole bunch of stuff sewed together to form one long inconsistent mess, framed only by its lyrical theme and one chord here and another there.
That's my Favorite DT song!
Both are absolutely phenomenal, but for me In the Presence of Enemies I&II is their best epic
Kudos for the timing, doing this on episode 134 (1 + 3 + 4 = 8)
Genius
One of my favorite bands! Just found your channel, love it. Your reaction to the first hit in the first track is perfect :) When you said "I want that to come back" it made me smile, knowing what was to come.
Never thought I could appreciate and enjoy this music more than I have. You’ve added another level for me and appreciate your reactions throughout! 😃
Very emotional as is music…
This is not a react, this is a tribute.
Jokes aside, I was in 2 concerts in Brazil, from Octavarium tour, and it was something else. It was a indoor concert, so the quality of the sound was beyond any other band I've watched: it was studio level. In the second evening, SFAM full album. Jeeeezzz!!!!
This song is a masterpiece.
This song is an experience. Every time.
This song gives me chills. It's almost like enjoying it for the first time again through you, Doug. Wonderful insight!
Great job Doug! It was so wonderful to see someone go through a song and band that has influenced me and affected me in so many wonderful ways! Beautiful walk through of the song. Keep up the great work!
The "Trapped inside this Octavarium" I believe refers to the fact that every DT album since Metropolis pt. 2 had started on the same tone that the previous album ended with. The band felt they hat gotten stuck in this pattern, but with Octavarium they were finally able to break the cycle by having the album circle back on itself and end on the same note it began with.
Doug, "A change of seasons" is another masterpiece
«Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence» too, and lengthier...
ACOS crushes all..
please please please please please
Non DT fans won't appreciate ACOS. It's not as beautiful as Octavarium and Tuscany.
@@DreiK96 someone skipped the intro + Another World & The Inevitable Summer
This is literally the best reaction and analysis, period. Well done!🙏🏻
Its nice to see a reaction ,where there is actual reactions. I like this, great job.
"a change of seasons" is definitely their best composition
Absolutely.
From my perspective, octavarium is the best ever composition they have made. The lyrics, orchestra, instrumentation, time signatuere, technical, and everything just absolutely flawless. But yeah, we all stand under the same band. Long live DT!
this
That's my favorite DT song.
Really? I love that song with my heart but I recognize the nostalgia behind it. The song is well constructed and the vocal melodies are fantastic, but even if it's a great song I think it is far from their best composition.
"Change of seasons" has to be next. The most EPIC masterpiece ever!
No Lies detected.
Nah! ACOS isn't as good as Octavarium, Tuscany and Illumination Theory. Non DT fans will never appreciate it.
This is the way.
@@DreiK96 Have to disagree on two points. I've seen multiple people new to the band that loved ACOS. And I believe Illumination Theory is WAY too overrated.
@@fabioriato I'm a DT fan and I never get to ACOS no matter how many times I listen to it. The only good part to it is Another Day. Illumination theory breaking the 4th wall would blow anyone away.
I love how you enjoyed this. I nearly forgot how good it was. Hard to believe it's been out so long.
Thanks for this, Doug. Your energy and enthusiasm is infectious. Love it. :)
Doug: That was a tease. I want that to comeback.
Little did he know how the song would go.
When you go down the rabbit hole of this album it's insane. Octavarium (octave, full scale, at that time they had 8 studio albums released). In an octave there's 5 accidents in the keys the sharps or flats, and 5 was the number of live albums they had at the time of this album release. The band has 5 integrants, but if you count with the former musicians that used to be in the band you'll have Charlie Dominici, Kevin Moore and Derek Sherinian, that's 3. 3+5 =8 (octave). With Metropolis PT II they started this thing where the next album would start where the previous ended creating a cicle. Eventually they had the idea to wrap up that sequence in this album creating an endless loop with the album itself as the song octavarium ends like the album started with the first song "The root of all evil", playing the same note an octave higher. Also the album has 8 songs plus some sort of interludes (5 to be exact, resembling the accidents in an octave) between some songs, something like this 1-The root of all evil (key of F), interlude in F#; 2- The answer lies within (key of G), interlude in G#; 3- These walls (key of A), interlude in A#; 4- I walk beside you (key of B), no interlude as there's no accidents between B and C; 5- Pannic attack (key of C), interlude in C#; 6- Never enough (key of D), interlude in D#; 7- Sacrificed sons (key of E), no interlude as there's no accidents between E and F; 8-Octavarium (key of F again but an octave higher) and the album repeats itself as an never ending octave. Even in the song octavarium as the song is reaching the end you ear them putting the motifs to each song back in with the vocals (root, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, octave and then the part "trapped inside this octavarium". This all album is genius because its a different type of conceptual album, created with music theory, and the song octavarium becomes more beautiful the more you listen to it and capture new nuances. Even the band closed a cicle after this album because they signed with a different discography company for the next one.
@@rabarebra what???
@@rabarebraincluding the accidents of the scale, yes, 7+5=12 however, octave comes from the Latin word for 8 meaning it's all about the steps of a scale (root, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, octave) not the full number of notes
Your honest critique on 39 mins, i was in tears! The truth will always prevail! The band is simply Musically perfect! Thats all one can say about DT. xx
Love the analysis! Watching you react is priceless! Keep up the good work.
I was in my last year of high school when this album came out. It was a particularly difficult time in my life, as I had few friends and was pretty much terminally depressed... often thought of just ending it. But knowing that Dream Theater was going to drop this album before my semester was out, I kept on going somehow... I didn't want to miss out on this. And my mind was so promptly blown by this title track, and I dunno, I guess it was kind of a rejuvenating thing for me and gave me a lot of inspiration to keep going with my own music as well. So I guess you could say Octavarium saved my life.
Amazing story! I definitely hope you're in a better place now than you were then!
@@IcarusNadir Well, I'm still here 16 years later, so that probably tells you how that turned out :P A lot of things could be better, and the pandemic lockdown's had me go to a few dark places, but it's FAR from as bad as it was in the past.
Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons
Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Blind Guardian - And Then There Was Silence
Yes, YES, yes!
or Odyssey from Symphony X. my personal favorite
Octavarium
@@Newl777 he’s already done The Odyssey last week, I think. The song. Not the entire album.
Anything by Blind Guardian
Absolutely incredible review and reaction! I love your honesty and energy! A wonderful Channel that now has me hooked.
I could watch this over and over, with no volume, just to see your facial expressions of pure joy and wonderment.
If you notice the album cover, the spheres represent the major keys (starting at F), with the birds representing the half steps.
Good catch
With the art work for each album on each sphere.
Underrated comment. Great catch!
Nice man... I would never have noticed that the birds were the sharp/flats had you not pointed it out
The Section “Full Circle” actually starts with “Isn’t this where we came in?” From the Wall album, which makes the Wall itself a circle :)
I believe the Wall is canonically circular. It is meant to protect the protagonist from the outside world, and it is built around him.
The verses of Full Circle end with "Home Again", which is a lyric from Dark Side of the Moon, unless it's also a reference to something different I'm not aware of.
It was fun to watch you experience this for the 1st time. I noticed the birds representing the sharp/flat. that's pretty cool
I’ve been binging your reactions to dream theater. It feels so nostalgic listening to dream theater again. Your videos made me enjoy their music in new ways :)
I've listened to this piece countless times and I could never figure out what the lyrics meant, and this man just cracked the code on his first time listening to it while at the same time figuring out all the harmony on the fly. I love this channel.
I only learned what they meant from google tbh
Concerning the meaning of "Octavarium" and the concept of being trapped in a continuous loop, you should listen to Dream Theater's albums, particularly the series of albums starting with Scenes From A Memory and ending with Octavarium. Each one of these albums end with a unique tone, like a piano note, or white noise, which opens the next album, like a continuation of the same story. This whole thing could have gone on indefinitely, so Dream Theater used this idea to break that loop.
Mind boggling composition.
For your next Dream Theater reaction, check out In The Presence Of Enemies, Parts 1&2. There is a live version of this out there.
Scenes from a Memory to 6 Degrees (The Glass Prison): Record runout sound
6 Degrees (title track) to Train of Thought (As I Am): same chord
Train of Thought (In The Name Of God) to Octavarium (The Root Of All Evil): same note (I honestly never noticed the resolution at the end of ITNOG until just now, I thought it was left hanging)
In The Name Of God is probably worth a video on its own.
brilliant, this must be the pre release version, the whole album needs a going over! So good!!! Thanks Doug, wonderful listen
Really love to see someone that really an expert of a specific field reacting to the amazing piece of works within that field
Watching this video and staring at that artwork for long enough had me realise that it represents F to F on a keyboard, the balls being the white keys and the birds the black keys. The album starts and ends on F. Jesus Christ they really really, *really* thought this through. Seriously recommend reading the Wiki page on just this song.
also the individual balls have the previous album covers on them too
Wow, I never noticed that
I first discovered Dream theater in 1993. There was something about them that hit me differently. Hit me in a way that still to this day I cannot fully understand or begin to explain. I don't know what it is. I have heard Octovarium a thousand times and have always loved it.
But watching your reaction, listening to your analysis, and seeing not only the understanding, but the emotion in your reaction.... It was kind of like hearing it again for the very first time. That was truly wonderful.
Thank you for that
I TOTALLY agree. Amazing that you've been a fan that long. I have been a fan since 99, and hundreds of bands have come and gone out of my playlist. Over 20 years later though, DT is the ONLY band I have never gotten sick of. I feel like their complexity really lends toward high replay value, because there is always something there to digest.
And what you said in your second paragraph is something I have been loving about this reaction era of UA-cam. Nobody else I grew up with liked DT. I never got to share that feeling of appreciation of the music with anyone else. So in a weird way, it's like I am finally getting to feel that with reactions/breakdowns. There have been a few other reactors who got into DT through their channels, and ended up as their all time favorite band. One guy even got a DT tattoo. Great stuff!
You just took the words out of my mouth.
exactly, thank you Doug
I really have to be in the right mood for them. As amazing as they are. They are really hard to follow or feel the rhythm.
I was hooked on them in 1992 when I first heard their song 'Pull Me Under". It was AMAZING!!!
Man! I realy enjoy watchin you have fun with music!!! You realy show love for this art.
thanks for sharing!
i first heard this song many years ago. I always keep coming back to it. it is the PERFECT length to listen to on my commute to work each morning.