Great video! Very informative for people coming back to the game after a hiatus. However I think forte’s deserved a little more praise. Throwing forte’s into a deathball, they can contribute so much damage and stay completely out of harms way with just how obscenely large their pikes are.
I used to use silah alot, but just got a full mastery MAA stack. On bottom line they get 1000 piercing defence and about 890 slashing, 13k health plus good block. The cov commander does similar Dmg as decapitate, thus making silahdars overshadowed ( 300 vs 215 leadership). I also like this current season alot. The units arent OP, they are quite ballanced
Really love how this list goes, very good to see so many standard units in S, from green to gold you have units to use that dont come from seasons, very good.
Really curious why you put demense spearmen in B tier. They are insanely tanky (especially with the -damage taken +defense doctrines) and practically brain afk get their leadership + are a huge chunk of meat for their team. I've started to use them every game, and they feel tankier than ISG's. I think it takes 1-2 million infantry damage to kill the stack of them.
what???? Iron reapers don’t even have that much health and you’re talking like they are a legendary unit with tons of armor, are you playing with bots or real players, because real players don’t get killed by demense spearmen out of all units
Great video as always! Any plans to do a Palace Guard video? I always loved the Eastern-Influenced units aesthetic-wise, but ever since the Mastery updates, I haven',t really used them. If they are also good against MAA, it sounds like it's time to unbench them from my barracks again
I'm same as you, running an Eastern unit barracks, I find that eastern units beat their counterparts but have much larger skill requirement to play, what I found about palace guards are that they are as good as the blob of players you are fighting with, great at medium-scale fights but not as rewarding as MAA when you go solo
In my opinion, the truest form of strength and abilities towards these units can be measured in colosseum mode and champion trove mode where each units doctrine and veterancies were assigned by the game itself. The only way to win is to have good understanding towards each units function and roles, and also your team cooperation of course.
Just wanted to mention. Mace sgts with combat doc can really do some damage, especially against shield units. They can beat prefecture guards every time. Not sure without the combat doc tho. They are the first unit I pick during blue season. Some matches during gold I can still get 50 to 70 kills with them. Look for the shield units. -Aneiric NA3
Indont know how to make a great warband... Can U make a Video about that? Got Rattan crossbows, men at Arms, mellatoris, imperial spearguards and the Green arrowguys.. ist that good? Whats the way in creating an good warband.. sorry for Putting anmoying questions Here but i wanna improve cause i Love this Game!
@@PlumsionWould you still go bottom Line now or use it top that IS better. That super fast healing and extra défense on full heals goes really well with they bonus slahing damage on full heals doctrine but I can't make m'y choicd whether I want that or lower gambit cooldown
Mace Sergeant are OP if you know how to use them, I slaughter 200+ troops with them.. yes I only use that unit alone most of the game with a backup of Imperial Pikeman..
I think so far this season the units are pretty balanced. Nothing too broken that may ruin the game. MAA came very close for a tear 4 units, but they are not impossible to kill.
Pretty solid list overall :) My one BIG disagreement, I think you're super harsh on Landsknechts, me and my friend have been playing them a lot this season and have done exceptionnally well with them. For a T3 unit, you can easily bring home 60 to 80 T4/T5 kills if played right, their charge is so good and they also murder heroes easily (we've done charges where we kill 4 heroes each in one charge, it's so strong). And their 3 button is also really useful to kill off anything that survived to your charge. Granted I'm a longsword and my friend is a shortsword so we tend to knock down units right as the charge hits, which really makes a huge difference. I get that they're a bit squishy so I wouldn't put them in S or anything, but I think they deserve a B at the very least :) However I also get and respect your opinion ^^ just felt like sharing mine !
@@Plumsion of course XD and hey man it's your opinion anyway :) I just was sharing mine ^^ Great video regardless, I discovered your channel recently and I'm going through your videos these days and I really enjoy them !
I really love this tier list videos, but I am super confused with the season 5 upgrades, I am close to unlocking them, why is men at arms upgrade so bad, does this means I shouldn’t upgrade them ?
I've seen, it's getting a lot of infantry now, so if I miss a few I do apologise but they will only be the Irrelevant ones, in fact if I miss they're probably in C or b
Nah bro Village watchmen get atleast C. They always get their Leadership worth out of the match. Only 30 leadership and with their pikes they poke kills from higher tier units every game not to even talk about how good they are for pushing siege towers etc.
How? What do you do and what doctrines? I use them as like my 3rd purple unit in the line up but I definitely do not do that well. I like their formations and their charge that is alright nor great but alright. And they are like tanky enough to be a pain in the butt for people so my allies can do well. And of course you also got a small heal which also heals up friendly units which is nice :D But how do you win against MAA? How are you making this happen?
@@zumbazumba1 camel doesn't care about any cav charge even hussars, every cav charges into it when they are brace stops, dies and no pass-through, their health pool is big enough to stop 3 charges the same time, and nearly immune cc from hero and yolo cav
I think it's a deadgame, the Manager in game and Dev team they never listen to players, fix bugs, or update old version units to make it balanced the game. They are just chasing commercial and never look back the rest. This is players are leaving alot and now I only see all bots in game, I found a Palworld which is so much interesting and alot people succeccful with contents and get more subs from there in just few days. I did sent them so many suggestions and tell them to updated balance, but seem they are did nothing, so I left
Great video! Very informative for people coming back to the game after a hiatus. However I think forte’s deserved a little more praise. Throwing forte’s into a deathball, they can contribute so much damage and stay completely out of harms way with just how obscenely large their pikes are.
This was informative and handy, appreciate
As the resident RONIN EXPERT, aka RONIN GOD, aka RONIN LORD, I do agree they belong in D.
:(
They know people still love them because of how cool they look ,even they suck lol
Thanks, was waiting for this. Catch you on your next stream hopefully.
I used to use silah alot, but just got a full mastery MAA stack. On bottom line they get 1000 piercing defence and about 890 slashing, 13k health plus good block. The cov commander does similar Dmg as decapitate, thus making silahdars overshadowed ( 300 vs 215 leadership). I also like this current season alot. The units arent OP, they are quite ballanced
Man, ty vm for create such valiable and honest content for this game. I really wish more people plays it. Long live your channel!!!
Really love how this list goes, very good to see so many standard units in S, from green to gold you have units to use that dont come from seasons, very good.
Really curious why you put demense spearmen in B tier. They are insanely tanky (especially with the -damage taken +defense doctrines) and practically brain afk get their leadership + are a huge chunk of meat for their team.
I've started to use them every game, and they feel tankier than ISG's. I think it takes 1-2 million infantry damage to kill the stack of them.
._. I supose you are talking with irony, because my desmense pikermen dont take 2M of damage ._.
what???? Iron reapers don’t even have that much health and you’re talking like they are a legendary unit with tons of armor, are you playing with bots or real players, because real players don’t get killed by demense spearmen out of all units
You guys realize they're 40 soldiers compared to 18
@@Marsh132 demesne pikes are a T1 unit, they will never tank hits
@@Roctech44 no me digas 😂
I wonder if they'll ever actually expand the Unit Tech Tree, still waiting for that Archer last tier :P
still waiting on that vassal long bowmen 5 star unit
Great video as always! Any plans to do a Palace Guard video? I always loved the Eastern-Influenced units aesthetic-wise, but ever since the Mastery updates, I haven',t really used them. If they are also good against MAA, it sounds like it's time to unbench them from my barracks again
I'm same as you, running an Eastern unit barracks, I find that eastern units beat their counterparts but have much larger skill requirement to play, what I found about palace guards are that they are as good as the blob of players you are fighting with, great at medium-scale fights but not as rewarding as MAA when you go solo
the advice on using trash units to be a damage sponge for ranged is actually really smart, never thought about that.
Great video. Shield madians deserve an A in the hands of the right people though. Even after all this time.
Thank you for this video, do you have a video on your channel about your hero, what did you give him , strength or dexterity?
In my opinion, the truest form of strength and abilities towards these units can be measured in colosseum mode and champion trove mode where each units doctrine and veterancies were assigned by the game itself. The only way to win is to have good understanding towards each units function and roles, and also your team cooperation of course.
Do you happen to have a link to this tier list?
Unfortunately not it's self made but il see if I can make one for a link for you
Just wanted to mention. Mace sgts with combat doc can really do some damage, especially against shield units. They can beat prefecture guards every time. Not sure without the combat doc tho. They are the first unit I pick during blue season. Some matches during gold I can still get 50 to 70 kills with them. Look for the shield units.
-Aneiric NA3
Indont know how to make a great warband... Can U make a Video about that? Got Rattan crossbows, men at Arms, mellatoris, imperial spearguards and the Green arrowguys.. ist that good? Whats the way in creating an good warband.. sorry for Putting anmoying questions Here but i wanna improve cause i Love this Game!
Sure, dude, I can put something together, keep an eye out!
Realistically you want 2 units that can get a lot of kills but might get wiped quickly then you want a tankier unit like ISGs.
little note for the Zweihanders, dont press 2 and then 1 1, press 1 into 2 becuz then they get the buff from being fully healed
I know but Situationally, if I'm sneaking behind someone, I'm just gonna hit two Get him out of the way still have one in case someone charges me.
@@PlumsionWould you still go bottom Line now or use it top that IS better. That super fast healing and extra défense on full heals goes really well with they bonus slahing damage on full heals doctrine but I can't make m'y choicd whether I want that or lower gambit cooldown
@braidzay9322 I go top line, having knights gambit on a short CD feels really nice for me. To be honest it depends on how you like to play.
OR Do press 2, then 1 1..because you already had them with the 1 buff from a while ago while waiting to engage.
Mace Sergeant are OP if you know how to use them, I slaughter 200+ troops with them.. yes I only use that unit alone most of the game with a backup of Imperial Pikeman..
Men at arms aren't so powerful now, Wuwey guards wipe them out so ridiculous !
Matalatori is S tire unit just because it gives you 10% xp per everything ,also they increase defence of siege towers which is nice.
I think so far this season the units are pretty balanced. Nothing too broken that may ruin the game. MAA came very close for a tear 4 units, but they are not impossible to kill.
aaah u got me there good with manz!
Pretty solid list overall :)
My one BIG disagreement, I think you're super harsh on Landsknechts, me and my friend have been playing them a lot this season and have done exceptionnally well with them.
For a T3 unit, you can easily bring home 60 to 80 T4/T5 kills if played right, their charge is so good and they also murder heroes easily (we've done charges where we kill 4 heroes each in one charge, it's so strong).
And their 3 button is also really useful to kill off anything that survived to your charge.
Granted I'm a longsword and my friend is a shortsword so we tend to knock down units right as the charge hits, which really makes a huge difference.
I get that they're a bit squishy so I wouldn't put them in S or anything, but I think they deserve a B at the very least :)
However I also get and respect your opinion ^^ just felt like sharing mine !
Looking back probs a little harsh, but I'm locked in now, so thats where they Reside till next season 😆
@@Plumsion of course XD and hey man it's your opinion anyway :) I just was sharing mine ^^
Great video regardless, I discovered your channel recently and I'm going through your videos these days and I really enjoy them !
@@psychogirly910 What veterancy line and doctrines you use on landsharks(cool name huh?)?
If the video is getting too long just start with C tier populated. Maybe speak about 1-2 units that have moved up/down in that tier.
@dafruk1 next season I will start with all the greys filled in
I really love this tier list videos, but I am super confused with the season 5 upgrades, I am close to unlocking them, why is men at arms upgrade so bad, does this means I shouldn’t upgrade them ?
paladin are just bad compared to MAA Everything paladins can do, MAA do it 1000 times better
i play dual blades as well what does everyone use for units as a light armor its hard to stay in the frontline for long with out dyeing
DB javs are your best friends
Niiice thanks U so much! How Long does s18 Go until s19?
Season to season its about 14 weeks. But maybe 6, 7 weeks left until we get a new season
@@Plumsion thank U 🙃
This mustve taken fucking ages to do 😂
Yeah it's getting really long now. Few more seasons it will be part 1 part 2
where are the palace guard ?
I put them in A
new season please
you forgot black dragon pikes and shields :O
D
U forgot Rattan Roundshields And some T1 infantry
I've seen, it's getting a lot of infantry now, so if I miss a few I do apologise but they will only be the Irrelevant ones, in fact if I miss they're probably in C or b
The problem with most these units is you need have a iq of 2+ to use them properly unfortunately most the players ain’t smart
You have forget the rattan swordsman
B or C
i never have tried to use them so maybe C
Finally!!!
well i guess B and C still get degrees 😥😢😭😆
Nah bro Village watchmen get atleast C. They always get their Leadership worth out of the match. Only 30 leadership and with their pikes they poke kills from higher tier units every game not to even talk about how good they are for pushing siege towers etc.
Sengoku season for the win
The new unit no is tier S is tier B
In my opinion it's an S
any aussies play this game on the asian servers ? we are in ping hell together. i love this game but i have no friends haha
love azaps
I still win in 1vs1 againts men at arms with paladins almost always
Would love to see that! Are you on EU?
How? What do you do and what doctrines? I use them as like my 3rd purple unit in the line up but I definitely do not do that well.
I like their formations and their charge that is alright nor great but alright. And they are like tanky enough to be a pain in the butt for people so my allies can do well. And of course you also got a small heal which also heals up friendly units which is nice :D
But how do you win against MAA? How are you making this happen?
@stolemycoconut5448 I must say I'm very Skeptical 🤔
best against cav IS camel no debate, but yeah this is an infantry list so pass
Moadao battalion takes hardly any damage from charges,winged hussars can pass trough them and barely scratch their paint off.
@@zumbazumba1 camel doesn't care about any cav charge even hussars, every cav charges into it when they are brace stops, dies and no pass-through, their health pool is big enough to stop 3 charges the same time, and nearly immune cc from hero and yolo cav
U can be popular with any kind of game plums; but u stacked with that annoying game (:
I edge to maa
I think it's a deadgame, the Manager in game and Dev team they never listen to players, fix bugs, or update old version units to make it balanced the game. They are just chasing commercial and never look back the rest. This is players are leaving alot and now I only see all bots in game, I found a Palworld which is so much interesting and alot people succeccful with contents and get more subs from there in just few days. I did sent them so many suggestions and tell them to updated balance, but seem they are did nothing, so I left
You have to get above level 200 not to get bot games.
my current level now at 2000+ and Marshal for every season@@Plumsion
@@Plumsion Im lvl 1700 and in several sieges you get 6-7 bots on both sides and i dont mean players but real bots.
I don't seem to get this problem, must be player counts when you lads play.
Here's a hint:
1. Don't play sieges during TW, Deathmatch, or special events - because that is what everyone is going to be doing - not playing siege.