this is the first video i have seen that actually demonstrates what happened in such a clear and documented way. Basically is just a summarised video version of Chip Le Grand's publishing of it. So impressed. Hate that this happened to my club and the players but thanks for showing it for what it was. exceptional video.
Bro your rat club cheated aswell and are the only team in the 21st century out of Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond not to play in a grandfinal, bro my cousin choose that rabble u barrack for I choose Essendon I've seen 2 flags he's seen Zeroooooo, at least we could afford steroids, unlike ur broke ass joke
Mate as an essendon supporter, this was tough, could be a top four to top six club right now if this hadn"t happened. Great content mate and keep it up!
i think from 2012 to 2015 with our list we could of been in a grand final its not normal to go 9-1 then finish the year 11-11 if we didnt have what happened i think 2013 grand final could of been us i think 2012 we would of won a final or 2 probs finishing around 5thish 2013 i think top 4 and ethier falling short in 2013 i think 2014 or 2015 right in the middle or hawks run we could of been in one of them grand finals if of course these things didn't happen that list we had was amazing
Your videos are incredible. An idea I had for your next one is Adelaide vs Richmond in the 2017 GF and the very different paths both teams took afterwards.
I’ve been asked countless times why I love footy and sport so much but not once did I give an answer as good as yours “Sport is clean... because at its core it involves no opinion, no contentious ideals, just a physical contest” It’s not an exaggeration to say that your analysis and insight is streets ahead of most talking heads in the media. Keep it up mate! You’re going places!
Ive been watching your content for a couple months now, such high quality! You honestly deserve more support and subscribers, this is honestly brilliant. Wouldn't be surprised if you reach 100k by the end of the year. (PS massive Carlton fan ;)
@K Annie I feel very sorry for the players they put faith in the club and yeah hird was the coach but if you think he wanted to cheat the system your wrong.
Jagger your the biggest AFL alpha on youtube!!! Keep up with the great in-depth and well-researched videos, I'm getting bloody Jimmy Highroller vibes all around and it's great to see!! If you continue with this content I guarantee you will get exposure not only around Australia but also internationally too!! Can't wait for more!!
Finally a channel for footy needed this there’s so many out there for nba and nfl which are great don’t get me wrong but definitely have wanted something like that for footy
mark6889 I was watchin tv, brother comes in and says turn in to the news, so we did bang seen 34 bombers players banned and dank and all them as well get ruined but so they should
Lachlan Haberfield I don’t think the players themselves should necessarily be ruined by the supplements program. I also think that hawthorn and Melbourne both escape judgement despite being brought into the initial report that did in the bombers.
Charlie nah I didn’t mean it like that, players had no idea what they were bein given but still very naive for AFL players and not knowing what they’re exactly taking. That said dank is just a fucked up bloke
Lachlan Haberfield yeah I think to a certain extent essendon were the fall guy. While I agree the bombers were cheating with their banned substance usage but I think the cheating was far more common than the AFL let’s on.
@@jaggerskilbeck not at all, it's important that it is talked about. Much easier to do so now that we have recovered, because it was really awful for a while
It’s just a thought, but if Bomber Thompson and Dean Robertson came from geelong in 2010, could there be questions asked about the cats late 2000 success? No question that geelong obviously had a very strong team back then, but the question could be asked. Especially recently with Thompson’s drug connections away from football, he obviously wasn’t the cleanest coach going around. Nevertheless , another ripper video Jagger. Keep up the fantastic work!
Jagger, some facts. 1. Thymosin Beta 4 was first listed as banned by WADA in 2018 2. The players were never found guilty by ASADA and in fact ASADA’s case fell over at the AFLADT. 3. The ASADA investigation was compromised by breaches of confidentiality, by lack of independence from the sport’s governing body, by lack of consultation with other government agencies, and by inconsistency over the course of the investigation. 4. The Essendon players were penalised three times for the same infraction (banned from the 2013 finals, banned from the 2015 pre-season, banned for the 2016 season); 5. The Essendon players were denied the right of appeal to an Australian court as the AFL changed the appeal rules whilst the AFLADT was deliberating their decision. 6. Subsequent to the rule change, WADA was permitted to run a de Novo case (i.e. run the whole case again, rather than appealing any of the AFLADT inconsistencies in applying the law) in a foreign court. So, the Essendon players having been found not guilty should have walked away, but were tried again, for the same offence, in a foreign court ie. The double jeopardy rules do not apply to Australian sports people. 7. A program implemented at the Melbourne Football Club, similar to the Essendon program, was not subject to an ASADA investigation; no report was issued and there were no penalties. The MFC program had similar injections as the Essendon program, the electronic communications were similar, the architect (Dank) of the program was the same, but there were no sanctions. 8. WADA's whole case was Thymosin must be TB4. There was a failure to present evidence relating to the Essendon program which clearly suggested the Essendon players being administered with a legal substance Thymomodulin, not the banned substance Thymosin Beta 4. 9. The CAS Panel para. 105 did not accept that WADA was obliged to eliminate all possibilities pointing to the Essendon players innocence. I could go on...... Anyway, if interested, J34 have compiled 5 fact checking videos on ASADA and 5 fact checking Videos on WADA start here: ua-cam.com/video/QrbXHAhMST0/v-deo.html
Really great mini doco legend! I don't beleive for a second the official narrative about the coach or anybody not knowing what was going on. They are all guilty in my eye's.
I'm not sure you can say that the Thymosin was actually found to be Beta-4 @8:37 as there was never any conclusive findings as such. Elevated levels of TB-4 that can naturally occur both due to injury, were shown in a third of the Essendon squad & also players from other AFL squads at the time. But repetition in the media, whether they were facts or not , didn't help. Essendon always said it was thymomodulin (legal) and a picture taken by Dean Wallis of a vial at the club was labelled as such. The whole saga ASADA put 2 & 2 together and came up with 22
In part 2 I go on to say that what ASADA found wasn't really correct, but that WADA appealed it and concluded that Dank had been given TB-4 by his pharmacy contact and had claimed that the Thymosin he was giving the players was designed to enhance wound repair so that's where they drew their conclusion. Essentially this video tells the information as it was released rather than retrospectively, and at that point they thought it was definitely TB-4.
Good video, mate. Beginning of 2025, lived through "the saga", occasionally I ask people what happened during it all? So the Bombers players took illegal performance enhancing substances? Is this the simple answer? 🤔
Beautiful video. Seems to me everyone had their hands dirty but Hird and Watson had their legacy's perhaps unfairly tainted, ESPECIALLY THE BROWNLOW MY GOD
they found out that they shouldnt have gotten banned because all it was, was that they were healing faster which means they should have got a fine and watson should get his brownlow back. the court got it wrong and essendon has been cleared.
I know its gonna sound like I'm having a rant but why are we still going on about something that happened 10 years ago now I'm known as a druggie cause I'm an Essendon supporter
Common mate we've hardly heard a peep about this for ages and I for one haven't heard the in depth story. People calling you a druggie cos of this are not worth thinking about. They are the bottom of the barrel.
Biggest stitch up in history. Well put together video mate but a few inaccuracies. I think a little more research needs to be completed before releasing the 2nd part. I suggest reading over Bruce Francis's work or the J34's work.
The information presented in this video is the information as it was seen by the media in chronological order. It's not retrospective, so the things that WADA and the CAS found out about the program that is official information now isn't in this video because at the time it wasn't known to the public. So the "inconsistencies" in this video are corrected retrospectively in the next part by design. I appreciate the feedback though, I will give that stuff a read over
Mate your content is the best I’ve seen in UA-cam
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@@Loganrusty no dude
@J G Soccer: beloved by lady boys the world over...
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Really happy to finally see this type of content creator for AFL. Hopefully this channel can continue to grow and keep making great videos!
Totally agree
Legit
@J G Soccer: beloved by lady boys the world over...
I still remember my 11 year old heart being shattered that day.
Mine was too but it ended up being my favourite year
It’ll make it that much sweeter when we inevitably win the flag
@@joelsmith6484 in another 20 years most likely
This video is Dank
I see what you did there
The video is Dank. Stephen Dank
this is the first video i have seen that actually demonstrates what happened in such a clear and documented way. Basically is just a summarised video version of Chip Le Grand's publishing of it. So impressed. Hate that this happened to my club and the players but thanks for showing it for what it was. exceptional video.
Looking forward to part 2!
Cheers boys
I remember when this happened and I was about 14. People would not stop joking about it
Filthy Productions I feel your pain😭😭😭
bro they still joke about it
@@Jack-fq2kz Yep lol
@J G how is this relevant to what I said lol
Bro your rat club cheated aswell and are the only team in the 21st century out of Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond not to play in a grandfinal, bro my cousin choose that rabble u barrack for I choose Essendon I've seen 2 flags he's seen Zeroooooo, at least we could afford steroids, unlike ur broke ass joke
Mate as an essendon supporter, this was tough, could be a top four to top six club right now if this hadn"t happened. Great content mate and keep it up!
i think from 2012 to 2015 with our list we could of been in a grand final its not normal to go 9-1 then finish the year 11-11 if we didnt have what happened i think 2013 grand final could of been us i think 2012 we would of won a final or 2 probs finishing around 5thish 2013 i think top 4 and ethier falling short in 2013 i think 2014 or 2015 right in the middle or hawks run we could of been in one of them grand finals if of course these things didn't happen that list we had was amazing
Your videos are incredible. An idea I had for your next one is Adelaide vs Richmond in the 2017 GF and the very different paths both teams took afterwards.
Patrick OMG YES! As a Richmond fan, that would be amazing!
I made a similar video to that on my channel! More so focusing on Adelaide though not so much Richmond
The AFL Jimmy Highroller with another Banger such good content
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You explained this better in 15 minutes than the AFL and ASADA did in 4 years, kudos!
I’ve been asked countless times why I love footy and sport so much but not once did I give an answer as good as yours
“Sport is clean... because at its core it involves no opinion, no contentious ideals, just a physical contest”
It’s not an exaggeration to say that your analysis and insight is streets ahead of most talking heads in the media. Keep it up mate! You’re going places!
I'm going to start sharing your videos around other comment sections related to afl.
more people need to know about this channel
Ive been watching your content for a couple months now, such high quality! You honestly deserve more support and subscribers, this is honestly brilliant. Wouldn't be surprised if you reach 100k by the end of the year. (PS massive Carlton fan ;)
These videos are so well done! Keep it up!
I always felt James Hird got unfairly shit on through this whole thing. He got used as a scapegoat.
Yeah him and bomber thompson. The only person who really knew what was going on was the one person who wasnt interviewed stephen dank.
@K Annie I feel very sorry for the players they put faith in the club and yeah hird was the coach but if you think he wanted to cheat the system your wrong.
Completely agree and thankful that boas is now gone only took a decade after there fuck up a decent Chairman to put a stop to there BS.
Nope
More like the players got shafted, rather than just Hird.
So bloody good, i remember this saga when i was younger but was only about 10 and didn't understand it, thanks for enlightening me
Same
This is incredible content mate! Just binge watched all of your AFL videos! Keep up the great work 🔥
Another great video, mate. Really well set out. I feel like Dr Reid was the most sensible person in this entire saga
Jagger your the biggest AFL alpha on youtube!!! Keep up with the great in-depth and well-researched videos, I'm getting bloody Jimmy Highroller vibes all around and it's great to see!! If you continue with this content I guarantee you will get exposure not only around Australia but also internationally too!! Can't wait for more!!
Finally a channel for footy needed this there’s so many out there for nba and nfl which are great don’t get me wrong but definitely have wanted something like that for footy
This was such a great video. Very informative, well paced, and exactly what I was looking for.
This deserves more thousands views! Quality content mate!
Still remember when all this happened. Was absolutely gobsmacked
Same here, I was leaving work. I turned the engine off a sat listening to the radio.
mark6889 I was watchin tv, brother comes in and says turn in to the news, so we did bang seen 34 bombers players banned and dank and all them as well get ruined but so they should
Lachlan Haberfield I don’t think the players themselves should necessarily be ruined by the supplements program. I also think that hawthorn and Melbourne both escape judgement despite being brought into the initial report that did in the bombers.
Charlie nah I didn’t mean it like that, players had no idea what they were bein given but still very naive for AFL players and not knowing what they’re exactly taking. That said dank is just a fucked up bloke
Lachlan Haberfield yeah I think to a certain extent essendon were the fall guy. While I agree the bombers were cheating with their banned substance usage but I think the cheating was far more common than the AFL let’s on.
Even as a bombers supporter, this is captivating viewing
Elite content mate, keep it up!
Thanks for that feedback mate, I was hoping I wouldn't alienate the Bombers fanbase
@@jaggerskilbeck not at all, it's important that it is talked about. Much easier to do so now that we have recovered, because it was really awful for a while
Jagger Skilbeck Nah mate I’m a bombers supporter, and I think they massively made a mistake with their supplements program.
Part 2 now! You’d videos are amazing bro! Keep up the amazing work!!!
Quality Production again Jagger
This is peak content, awesome writing here legend. Keep it up!!
I do similar vids but I can never get the audio sound so good like yours your voice is great
another great video mate, you deserve a lot more recognition for this great content, keep it up
god i love afl video essays. thanks for making them man
bro best vid so far
Geelong, Gold Coast, Manly were lucky to get away unscathed from this scandal.
your content is brilliant bloody well done
Love your work mate. Keep it up. Nice storytelling.
I love this bloke
Great vid, killing it, can’t wait for part two. Can u do a vid on how Richmond broke mediocrity?
Great video. I still feel this has impacted the club to this day, and it’s gonna take a long time to recover fully.
It’s just a thought, but if Bomber Thompson and Dean Robertson came from geelong in 2010, could there be questions asked about the cats late 2000 success? No question that geelong obviously had a very strong team back then, but the question could be asked. Especially recently with Thompson’s drug connections away from football, he obviously wasn’t the cleanest coach going around. Nevertheless , another ripper video Jagger. Keep up the fantastic work!
Just imagine.... big can of worms could be opened here lol
Bro i legit am gonna subscribe and turn on notifications because your vids are fire
this is quality mate, as a dons fan i kept a blind eye as a young kid to this, good to know abit more
Jagger, some facts. 1. Thymosin Beta 4 was first listed as banned by WADA in 2018 2. The players were never found guilty by ASADA and in fact ASADA’s case fell over at the AFLADT. 3. The ASADA investigation was compromised by breaches of confidentiality, by lack of independence from the sport’s governing body, by lack of consultation with other government agencies, and by inconsistency over the course of the investigation. 4. The Essendon players were penalised three times for the same infraction (banned from the 2013 finals, banned from the 2015 pre-season, banned for the 2016 season); 5. The Essendon players were denied the right of appeal to an Australian court as the AFL changed the appeal rules whilst the AFLADT was deliberating their decision. 6. Subsequent to the rule change, WADA was permitted to run a de Novo case (i.e. run the whole case again, rather than appealing any of the AFLADT inconsistencies in applying the law) in a foreign court. So, the Essendon players having been found not guilty should have walked away, but were tried again, for the same offence, in a foreign court ie. The double jeopardy rules do not apply to Australian sports people. 7. A program implemented at the Melbourne Football Club, similar to the Essendon program, was not subject to an ASADA investigation; no report was issued and there were no penalties. The MFC program had similar injections as the Essendon program, the electronic communications were similar, the architect (Dank) of the program was the same, but there were no sanctions.
8. WADA's whole case was Thymosin must be TB4. There was a failure to present evidence relating to the Essendon program which clearly suggested the Essendon players being administered with a legal substance Thymomodulin, not the banned substance Thymosin Beta 4. 9. The CAS Panel para. 105 did not accept that WADA was obliged to eliminate all possibilities pointing to the Essendon players innocence. I could go on...... Anyway, if interested, J34 have compiled 5 fact checking videos on ASADA and 5 fact checking Videos on WADA start here: ua-cam.com/video/QrbXHAhMST0/v-deo.html
Please watch part 2, the information in this video is not retrospective, it's as it was presented to the media chronologically
Most of this is touched on in the second part
shame the afl isnt such a big market like nba, these style have got those guys huge (mike korzemba, jimmy highroller etc) amazing content tho
Love your videos!
This was good I could tell you put alot of effort into this
hey mate, love your content, you've clearly got a great footy mind and I love to see this type of stuff for footy
10/10 Video once again, you really are a great Doco maker for the AFL!
Love this content!!!
Footy’s the best.
keep up the absolute great videos mate
Best AFL youtuber by a long long way
Great afl content. Hope you cover what happened to the crows from 2017 to 2019
keep doing these AFL videos bro they go hard
yesss thank you man, true masterpiece
Great video dude!
Great video mate
Love these AFL videos, absolutely fantastic 👍🏻👌🏻
Another top video mate
Awesome vid dude
Just found this channel and I feel like I found a goldmine
It’s kind of interesting how danks and bomber both worked at Geelong beforehand and the AFL didn’t look into it
great vid mate
Jagger did you mention that thymosin beta 4 might be linked to various types of cancer?
Best AFL UA-camr by far! 🤤
Well said ⭐️
Better then most of the News specials on the scandal
Can you pls uploaded again
reckon a video on adam goodes won't be too bad. keep up the great videos
Really great mini doco legend! I don't beleive for a second the official narrative about the coach or anybody not knowing what was going on. They are all guilty in my eye's.
Thanks for taking up my suggestion. Even if you didn’t see it
You're suggestion helped drive this video, it was a popular topic
this is elite content
Get these videos in my veins, pun intended
I was literally reading about this a few days ago. What a coincidence.
Part 2 right now or I might cry!
I'm not sure you can say that the Thymosin was actually found to be Beta-4 @8:37 as there was never any conclusive findings as such.
Elevated levels of TB-4 that can naturally occur both due to injury, were shown in a third of the Essendon squad & also players from other AFL squads at the time.
But repetition in the media, whether they were facts or not , didn't help.
Essendon always said it was thymomodulin (legal) and a picture taken by Dean Wallis of a vial at the club was labelled as such.
The whole saga ASADA put 2 & 2 together and came up with 22
In part 2 I go on to say that what ASADA found wasn't really correct, but that WADA appealed it and concluded that Dank had been given TB-4 by his pharmacy contact and had claimed that the Thymosin he was giving the players was designed to enhance wound repair so that's where they drew their conclusion. Essentially this video tells the information as it was released rather than retrospectively, and at that point they thought it was definitely TB-4.
@@jaggerskilbeck Cool. Thankyou Sir. I'll check that out.
Good video, mate.
Beginning of 2025, lived through "the saga", occasionally I ask people what happened during it all?
So the Bombers players took illegal performance enhancing substances? Is this the simple answer? 🤔
pov: you have been waiting for this video since you subbed
Long story short:
Stephen Dank is the one to blame for the whole 2012 Essendon Supplements sage. Nothing else can be said.
We need you on netflix
James hird went from Brownlow winner(meaning best and ‘fairest’) to one of the main parts to the drug deal.
Part 2 Plsss
Honestly feel bad for the players. A premiership isn’t worth risking their health
Make a vid of the hawthorn/Geelong/lions dynasties
Going through your content and fuck me this shit is so detailed and amazing absolutely love it
Beautiful video.
Seems to me everyone had their hands dirty but Hird and Watson had their legacy's perhaps unfairly tainted, ESPECIALLY THE BROWNLOW MY GOD
they found out that they shouldnt have gotten banned because all it was, was that they were healing faster which means they should have got a fine and watson should get his brownlow back. the court got it wrong and essendon has been cleared.
Give me part two please!
Class Video
Its amazing to see such great videos like this for the best sport it in the world. GO DONS!
I know its gonna sound like I'm having a rant but why are we still going on about something that happened 10 years ago now I'm known as a druggie cause I'm an Essendon supporter
Common mate we've hardly heard a peep about this for ages and I for one haven't heard the in depth story. People calling you a druggie cos of this are not worth thinking about. They are the bottom of the barrel.
@@Tezwah It fucking pisses me off. Anytime I say I support Essendon I get called a druggie.
@@cheesemccheese5780 from weak minded simpletons, don't let morons like that annoy you. It's just not worth it
@@Tezwah Yeah. It doesn't affect as much as it use to do but a few years ago it genuinely infuriated me when someone called me that.
Mate this video is the reason I have another argument against friends when they call us druggos
Essendon as a whole was made an example of.
You are too good
lol I remember this. My grade 3 class gave our Bomber's supporting teacher so much shit haha
Again? But Essendon isn’t a competitive side now.
As a bombers fan whenever I talk shit about another team to someone they always bring up this, kind of a low blow
Make a podcast
Some pretty drastic inaccuracies in this video (to name the biggest one... the players were found not guilty in the first hearing?)
what?
@@jaggerskilbeck what don't you understand?
you kind of remind me of the jxmyhighroller of the AFL
Biggest stitch up in history. Well put together video mate but a few inaccuracies. I think a little more research needs to be completed before releasing the 2nd part. I suggest reading over Bruce Francis's work or the J34's work.
The information presented in this video is the information as it was seen by the media in chronological order. It's not retrospective, so the things that WADA and the CAS found out about the program that is official information now isn't in this video because at the time it wasn't known to the public. So the "inconsistencies" in this video are corrected retrospectively in the next part by design. I appreciate the feedback though, I will give that stuff a read over
all really dogey by the bombers and afl the players and hird were all really stitched up in the end