@@FabvL if I could keep the 25s as a secondary pair that would be cool but I don’t believe I could rely on ATC’s as my main pair. I really don’t want a second pair though interestingly enough, maybe just for producing music and keeping things simple on two way monitors or some sort. Thats said, congrats on the setup man and your stuff sounds solid! Keep up the great music and content bro and thanks for tuning in 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOURfor me personally what has made a bigger difference than speaker brand is Trinnov! Was previously using sound ID and other cheap room correction DSP stuff but it just doesn’t compare IMO. I have a fully treated studio and it still makes the biggest difference out of anything I own, when both speakers are perfect flat and phase aligned it becomes more about the flavor of choice but you can’t go wrong with PMC, they are a great company indeed and the bass response is impressive to say the least! Also, thanks! 🤘
@@FabvL I was curious about the trinnov system for a long time! I appreciate this comment - now I’ve gotta get my hands on the trinnov. That makes a lot of sense, I also wasn’t a huge fan of sound ID, just didn’t sound very natural to me as well. I definitely would’ve like to try the trinnov system with the ATC’s as well but I’m glad you found a solid work flow. Keep killing it bro! 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thanks bro same to you! I just peeped your video on the 6-2's and didn't really it was a double pass through! WTF that's wild, deff gonna connect my 8-2's with a couple of AES cables now, hoping for a huge quality jump! Stay awesome!
After trying quite a few of the brands mentioned in this thread, I ended up with ATC 45a Pro. Pretty amazing. I agree about the missing sub information but I'm using two JL Audio e110 Subs. They are quick and compliment the 45's well. What I found in my travels is I don't have to check my mixes if I mix them on my atc's. They just translate well into everything. I don't mix for earbuds
I love the ATC midrange and totally agree about the lack of low end information. That being said, I can listen to ATC’s all day and never get fatigue. PMC’s transmission line bass blows ATC out the water. Wish I could combine the two into one
Honestly, I think the mid range in the 6-2s is more detailed and accurate actually, but the ATCs sounded more flattering to me and forced me to focus on the mids in a mid forward presentation. Initially I wish I could combine both too but then I realized I just enjoy listening to ATCs so much but wasn’t missing anything from a technical perspective in the PMCs so far! Something with respect to ATC tweeters is that they all have this rolloff or otherwise similar response to them. This makes them less fatiguing but also gives us less to work with. That said, I totally understand where you are coming from! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
I’ve used my SCM200A’s and had a 0.15 sub as well for while now, plus obvs NS10s. I’ve no need to change speakers, don’t find them hard to work on and 100% won’t be changing to equivalent PMCs or any other speakers I’ve heard. If they work for you all good, if you prefer other monitors like Genelecs or whatever, then fine. Just use what you like
@@BULLDOGNIC Yes, I happen to personally prefer the PMCs but cost is definitely a huge factor for most people looking to purchase studio monitors in any price range. The 150s were pretty good and I imagine the 200s are even better. The 6-2s just gave me better results than the 150s for lot cheaper. If I had the cash to fork out for SCM200s and sub AND NS10s + Bryston amp on top of the crazy stands or soffit mounts, maybe Id have given that a shot. But I spent a small fraction of that cost to get these instead and just happened to have a much better time working with them so far. I’m definitely a Class D amp fan as well so just a different character overall. Congrats on your dope setup and thanks for tuning in! 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOURtotally get that, yes price is a factor. I dropped pretty lucky tbh. I’ve had the 200a’s for 20 years and got them at a good price, the sub and NS10’s were S/H but I had the sub re-coned as it was an original late ‘90’s one. You are quite right though, it is about user preference. And tbh the music genre also matters, I’m a House producer, but I like slightly “warmer” monitors (I know that phrase technically,y doesn’t mean anything but you get the point), I used to love the old Tannoy Golds etc for the same reason. For the slightly more punchy / “colder” speakers don’t suit my mixing style (which is already quite clinical). So my opinion is just use what you enjoy working on and learn your monitors and room - cause there’s no such thing as perfection with these areas anyway. Keep up the content and make great music on your new speakers 🙏
Just to add, I don’t actually like the 150s. Much prefer the ATC 12” drivers (100s / 200s) over the 15”, as it has better transients imo. You are correct about really low frequencies though. Even on dual 12”s I had to guess a bit below 40-50Hz (they aren’t soffit mounted though), which is why I got the sub. Although I don’t have it on all the time as some tracks I work on don’t need that much sub 50Hz content anyways
@@BULLDOGNIC this is all really good info to know. I’d love to hear a good pair of 200s someday and I definitely agree with you. Genre and style are also factors for sure! Thanks for the support 🙏
I agree with everything you said about ATC. I've been mixing professionally for 17 years and 3 years ago I bought a pair of SCM25A. Sold them a year later. I could never fully "learn" them, especially the low mids, and I always had to use another set of monitors to properly balance that range. And you need a good sub with those if you mix modern music.
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR thanks! After 6 months of testing many high end monitors I came up across a new brand from Poland (where I live): Prometheus Acoustics. Long story short - the monitors are fantastic, on par with D&D 8c or Kii Three. Mix revisions went from 2-4 per mix on ATCs to 90% of mixes being approved with no revisions at all.
I come from DIY speakers world. There are brands in speaker driver industry that are overcoming others in terms of various type of distortions and engineering - purifi and bliesma. One driver can be worth 1/10 of PMC62. There are studio monitor brands who offer speakers on these drivers. But I saw one video where your college preferred PSI monitors over those on bliesma/purifi. So I am waiting your comparison between PMC/PSI
Working on getting some PSI monitors in ASAP! The more support I get on the channel, the closer I can get putting together rental and demo budgets for brands that don't have readily available pairs to demo (such as PSI). I will definitely be doing this PSI PMC comparison ASAP!
Here's my take...for what it's worth (not much). I've been using Genelec for many years. First heard them in Paradise Sound Recording in Index, WA way back in the 90's. Fell in love with them. I'm still using Genelec: 8351B with subs. But....I talked with John Mayfield at Mayfield Mastering and he highly reccomended geting a pair of PMC. He uses the MB-3 XBD-A. 🤑. So, I've been seriously looking at PMC . All of that said, I have a Trinnov ST2 Pro in my studio. It's the most amazing and important piece of gear I have ever owned. I've been telling every engineer I know to get the Trinnov, then spend money on monitors. With the Trinnov you'll only need one set of monitors. What you hear coming out of your monitors is what's coming out of the monitors: you don't hear the room. No...I'm not getting paid for my comments. It's just that amazing to me. Like I said, for what it's worth. One thing about PMC that is confusing to me: the 8-2 are about $15,000.00. The next step up are the IB2S-AII for about $44,000.00. WTF, over? How about something in-between, PMC folks?
@@laynehoward2870 I actually asked the same to PMC regarding the big jump! The 8-2 XBD system is supposed to bridged that gap a bit, adding on those subs. That said, I continue to hear amazing things about trinnov daily! Would love to grab one soon! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
Active dsp speakers are a no no for critical mixing! I would either go with amphions or proacs! Bass movement on passive speakers is more realistic and helps you judge you low end mixing decisions, which most struggle to get right!!
@@Mixedbyjojo355 I disagree, these Digital PMC monitors are best known for their low end and detail - especially when you don’t engage the dsp eq function in them. Proacs are definitely great monitors too. Which digital monitors have led you to this conclusion?
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR atc 25a and previously adams and neumann! I switched to amphions and never looking back! If you want spl I’d go with big pa ones ! I have customized jbl for that purpose!
@@Mixedbyjojo355 all three of those would have been class A amps and not digital ones (unless you had the discontinued 310D model). Digital monitors are the future in my opinion! Thank you for sharing your experience with me and for tuning in 🙏
I think people get a little confused with “digital “ speakers (DSP is a different story). A speaker with digital inputs, is just moving the analog conversion a step further up the chain. Now, if it also has DSP, and sounds crap or worse without the DSP on, that could indicate that the drivers are possibly lesser quality or the tuning of the drivers and box is poor and it needs the DSP to bring it up. DSP for room correction purposes is again another story.
@@Truth565 I agree, I feel digital amps and dsp are often confused. That said, the dsp options in the 6-2s are not the best. I much prefer the sound of the monitors direct, I personality noticed the digital character of the EQ when engaged, but it’s so so slight - could be handy for tuning monitors for multiple sweet spots around the room (for clients, etc) but they sound so incredible without the DSP
I do like ATCs but PMCs are preferred for me. The one time i used PMCs in a studio I was like oh THIS is how it’s supposed to sound. Like everything just was so transparent and clear. ATCs sound great but not as this is what it’s supposed to sound like. I definitely agree with what you are saying about ATCs. If i was going to spend that much on speakers it would be amphion (only cause i haven’t heard them) or PMCs. I am currently using Genelecs and Mackie’s. Hoping one day i can afford to get into the 5k+ range for monitors. Stuck in the 1-2k range lol.
Genelecs are fantastic monitors! Noel Gadget Campbell mixed Drakes biggest ever records on small Genelecs and headphones. That said, hoping you’re able to get into a pair that continues to inspire you and I appreciate this comments on monitor clarity in the PMCs. Well said and thank you for tuning in 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR yeah i love them! They’re small but mighty! I’m actually trying to sell my massive 8” mackies for 6” of something, not sure what it’ll be yet and i got a long way before i can afford them again as i just spent most of my reserves on a big studio move and I’m still building it up (acoustic treatment being put up next month as I finish tidying up the space and putting stuff on my desk). These make do for now, but i want something even better.
@@CreativeMindsAudio the proacs could be a great route to go mixing wise, and perhaps focals for a production speaker! Either way you’ll be in a sweet spot with a great 6 inch speaker, enjoy! 🙏
I interned with a big Hollywood engineer ten years ago. He was using ATCs at the time. Sounded wonderful. A few years later, I went to visit and he’d happily switched to KRK V8s cause his mixes translated so much better across systems. He no longer felt he needed to check mixes in the car. I picked up a pair of V8s and now I swear by them too. Better results for >$2k a pair. Insane.
@@lindenfield this is a wild story. I personally really like rockets for production, thanks for bringing them back to my attention! Great monitors by that company!
One thing ive noticed when working on atcs, is that great more old school classic records don't often sound that good, but they sound amazing in my car or on airpods. Feels like cause the classic records are less polished and bass light maybe that's why they don't sound that good on ATCs maybe? Maybe that's just that their revealing? but then its weird that it sounds good everywhere else. Can/Does a certain monitor persuade you to make certain estethic decisions in a mix?
ATC's have a sound and they definitely don't agree with all music! I experienced something similar where good mixes didn't sound the best and some decent mixes sounded way better than they actually were (especially specifically with the SCM 25a's)!
For a moment, I thought you were chasing your tail with trying to get better and better.. after listening I’m glad that’s not the case. That’s why I love the 310 with the 750 sub. Yea they’re both sealed but they’re boring. Which means the excitement is up to you to add to it with your mix and processing. Another great video.
@@RainAstonIV you know what’s crazy, I was so close to going right back to my 310s and 750 sub combo, they are a very close second to these PMCs and actually have a slightly better low end extension than the 6-2’s with the 750 sub. I’m in full support of neumann 310s + sub and 420s + sub as well! Thank you for the kind words and tuning into the channel 🙏
@@RainAstonIV I do believe there were a lot of issues with the 310D, if I’m not mistaken, it was a discontinued model but I think digital monitors in general have good merits! Genelec also has a great pair of digital monitors in this price range
Holly shit, these was my thoughts when I was on hunt for my current monitors. Even much cheaper Trio 6 Be was better for mixing modern music (in example movement in bass is much more reveiling than on ATC). Now I have PMC 6-2 too, transients on bass are amazing, mid range is really reveiling in good way (not like in ATC which make you spending time for overproducing things that no one without ATC can ever hear) and now I planing to move on straight to big MB2. :D
@@kromal92 I would love to get my hands on the MB2 XBDs! I’m glad to hear you’ve had a similar experience, finding the right monitors can be so hard. Thanks for tuning in 🙏
I’ve never owned an ATC but I do own a PMC Result 6 and even though it’s the lowest model PMC has, the quality is superb! Mixes translate really well. I do need a sub with them but overall PMC’s just work
@@JeanmarkRodriguez my best engineer/producer friend started on result 6s and loved them so much that we both ended up going down this pmc path! They are great speakers for sure 💯
@@belgradeboy1977 Yung Guru and many others use NS10s in major studios. Pricey Bryston Amp play a big role in those NS10s sound. I’ve seen some of the major mixing spaces in NY equipped with $8000 Bryston 4 amps. Room as well is important for sure. I’d take a pair of NS10s with Bryston for JUST mixing music over ATCs personally. For production and mixing I’m looking a different direction entirely! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
I have the neumann kh120. I am using an Adam 10' sub but plan to buy the kh750 or kh805 sub for my kh120s. Do you recommend I get the sub for the kh120 or sale them and get the 310 without the sub ? my room is half the size of a bed room and fully treated. ive had the hedd type 20s but didn't dig the tweeter that much.
I definitely wouldn’t be able to rely on the neumann 310s without a subwoofer! The THD and low end are too unreliable - even if it sounds really good! That said, the ADAM sub is dope! I would maybe consider doing some room testing to see how accurate to combo is sounding in your room and if it’s pretty close or requires small changes to fix, you’ll be good to go! If you’re unable to fix a phasing issue or something you might discover is going wrong, I would recommend you consider switching to the kh750 sub before upgrading to the 310s. That said, the best case scenario is getting 2 kh750 subs and pair them with the kh310s. Having 2 subs is always a wise decision. Hope of of This helps! 🙏
How do you feel looking back at the old videos you made on the ATCs you owned? Do you disagree with the points you made in favour of them back then? Great content fam
@@lariatolariato great question! I still feel that they are really great sounding monitors but I no longer feel that they are the best in their price range for all professional applications. Looking back on that video, I feel that my knowledge base was a bit dated and a lot of new monitors came out since I last shopped around properly (Focal, PMC, PDP Mum, etc). I also have a newfound appreciation for digital monitors as I was of a somewhat purist mindset before moving to PMC. Thanks for tuning in 🙏
@@AJLPM4 I did indeed have a pair or Focal ST6 Trio6’s to try out as well at a friends of the mine’s studio. I went right away to hear them and have a few things to say about them for sure. There was one thing in particular that got my attention and I’ll make a review video on the Trio’s this week!
For me - I went from OG Twin 6 BE -> Adam S3H + Sub12 (massive mistake) -> ExMachina Quasar. I compared the SCM45A, PMC 6-2, PSI A25-M, Kii Three, Dutch and Dutch 8C, and the ExMachina. I highly recommend giving the Quasars a try if you haven’t yet, utterly phenomenal sound that combines the best aspects of ATC midrange, the low and high end extension of PMC fullstacks, transient response of PSI, and room fit of Kii. They’re also field serviceable and upgradable with first class support (my MKII upgrades were next day overnight with a simple phone call straight to the owner). Paired with my Audeze LCD5 - zero revisions, mixes done faster than ever! I do understand what ATC is selling - they’re very traditional monitors for a very traditional approach to mixing. It’s just not *my* preferred approach.
@@RAYNETHESAVIOURAll over the map! I just finished up a friend’s country album and a drum and bass (electronic music) EP for a client this week! Hip hop as well, lots of rock down here in Austin.
@@DoubleWei777 Congratulations on the new monitors! I’m curious to hear what you felt lacked in the kii3s that the PMC’s have, I haven’t ever tried the kii3s myself and would love to hear your opinion
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR biggest difference between Kii3 and 6-2 is bass or sub feeling~the client's always want to felt the bass not hearing the sub :P, 6-2 got the good balance between feeling and hearing the sub frequency.
@@ianjohnhorwood2605 I’ll be getting a pair of PSIs in the studio in a couple months to review. I’ll be able to put this to rest as well soon but I do heavily favor the PSI’s at the moment over the equivalent ATC builds.
Yeah PMC 8-2 here 🙋♂️ Might grab the Amphions to compliment them. Thinking about going full PMC XDB system. PS: I think the 8-2 would’ve fit your room perfectly! I had my demos flat in my room. Mind blown for the size! That gave me the confidence to grab them.
@@Mike-vr7mb you know what, my gut just told me to go with the 6-2s but I really would’ve like the extra robust sub in the 8-2. That said, congrats on your new monitors and I hope you are enjoying them! Thanks for the tip 🙏
@@davidk3872 No specific reason. I have been using the 8-2s on their own for a year now, never felt I was lacking anything at all. I just have the Ns10s and they don’t really match the aesthetic. That’s about it lol! Drives me nuts. Amphions simply look like a modern version and I’ve heard them before so that’s really the absurd reason if you like. 👍
@@moustafaabdulreda that’s terrible - sorry to hear that man! In Toronto, the distributors were really solid but I know it can vary greatly from place to place. Best of luck! 🤞🏽
Most people will have a laugh at what I use to do my final mixes, logitech speakers with sub! my mixes translated everywhere so much better as it simulates a really good car set up. Crazy I know that a $100 set would work so well. But it does 2 things for me, it shows when there is too much 3-4k in gtrs or any instrument and reveals whether the bass is deep enough. I don't have to do car checks anymore at all. They are good at revealing any excessive frequencies.
@@jason.martinbrother, what is your Logs model exactly? There are plenty of them. One of the notable ones - Z-2200 for a sub, but not so clear satellites. Then there's newer Z623 with better satellites, but might sound a bit plasticky. And some oldschool ones.
@@JACØBSOUNDRADIO i use the Apogee Symphony for A/D (recording vocals) and I use the Apollo primarily for headphone monitoring (live effects, autotune etc). The converters in the Symphony interfaces are better to my ear but the user experience and recording features are a lot better on the Apollo (and you get the UAD plug-in dsp if you need it). Hope this helps!
@@Platnumbaby I use a three different camera’s for these videos, fujifilm XS-20, Sony A7IV and a Black Magic Pro Cinema Camera. Lately it’s been just the XS-20. We got a commercial production company out here so the film locker is different
To be honest, I haven’t used them enough to confidently say what I want to say about them, but I will try to get a pair in to demo because I’ve been meaning to make a video on them!
I'm a PMC 6-2 owner and I'm curious, they are designed for the bass ports to be on the INSIDE, you have your left and right switched. Do you have a reason, because with the ports inside your low end punch down the center is improved and the stereo spread is much less scattered. Unless you have a specific reason to have them reversed, I suggest swapping them to the correct position. The low end coalescence is much tighter. I love my 6-2's . welcome to the club!
@@kniferideaudio Dude, you are a life saver. I just saw your comments and switched them. Just like you said, I totally say other hip hop and Pop dudes do the inverted direction on the speakers and figured it was for good reason. Totally don’t know how they work like that after trying it the right way. If you’re ever in Toronto, let me know and I’d be happy to help out in any way I can.
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Awesome man!!! Spread the word! I actually tried then set up that way in my space because it is kind of narrow and I thought having the ports out would be better and although they did sound pretty good still, the low end was a little pillowy. With then in the center it's like having a sub right down the middle! Congrats on the PMC's. Great speakers!
@@kniferideaudio after using it this way for a few days, I’ve actually switched them back to the way they were with a slightly adjusted positioning! I did a boost in the low end of just over a db and I actually now prefer it this way, it sound a bit less clear to me when it’s in the other direction but I like both ways for sure
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Cool. I looked into it a little more and it looks like PMC do recommend that set up for certain issues controlling Low end and widening the stereo spread for people sitting close. My room is very treated for low end so It measures more accurately for me the standard setup. These speakers sound so goo I bet you really cant go wrong.. Cheers.
my firts monitors ATC I bought 45 and then 50, i work with them 3 yers, then i wanted buy ATC 110 and i order them, but accidentally i bought Genelec 8361 & sub w371 pair 20 000 $. and for now can`t wit they show me!((( but accidentally i saw you for PMC what they need turn on for AES, and now i be try it))))
@@aleksandrpopleev amazing, I hope you find the Genelec to sound better through AES! I heard they are best suited for mastering with a proper AES connection. Thanks for tuning in 🙏
The Neumann 420s are fantastic speakers. I really like all Neumann speakers but I find that they all perform best along side Neumann Subs. Harmonic distortion has been an issue for me with all of the Neumann monitors I’ve had so far (with respect to balancing low end perfectly) and for this reason I give the PMCs the upper hand. That said, I still love neumann monitors and would be happy with either one! I’ll hopefully get a pair of Neumann 420s in this room and do a full review of the speaker in the future for the channel. Thanks for tuning in!
@@thapixelduveet1860 I’ve never used the 150s but I did have the 120s and the 310s at the studio! Both only really work with the 750 sub. Just not enough low in end the 120s for accurate sub bass production without headphones and the 310s had plenty of bass but way too much harmonic distortion for the low end to be transparent without the 750 sub. I still prefer the PMC to my neumann setups but neumann isn’t far off. I really enjoyed producing on them specifically! Hope this helps 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR did you have a problem with the neumans? I plan on buying the kh150's with a sub and room correction for producing and mixing. I want the mix to translate well to other systems. They are kinda in my budget🙃. I have the ndh30 and like the sound.
@@thapixelduveet1860 the Neumann are all really great specifically with the 750 sub. Just make sure your room is treated appropriately to benefit from having a single sub and satellite monitors. That said, I haven’t tried the 150s specifically but if it’s anything like the 120s and the 310s, it’ll work great with the neumann 750 sub!
I have Neumann KH 80's and love them for mixing. I have heard that the larger models are voiced exactly the same, so only get the bigger 150's if you need the extra SPL. They apparently sound very close to the 120's and 80's.
Hi! I see you have ATC monitors. Could you share your thoughts on them? My room is about 16 square meters (roughly 172 square feet) with ceiling heights of 2.7-2.8 meters (8.9-9.2 feet), and I’m planning to do serious acoustic treatment. In your opinion, which monitors would be a better fit for my room - ATC 25 or ATC 45? My goal is to achieve highly accurate mixing and mastering.
@@ivanendeavour815 I haven’t personally, but my friend had them for a while and just got into his 6-2s. He really liked the result 6s but would probably lean toward the new PMC 6 instead
@@ivanendeavour815 I haven’t heard a barefoot speaker that was as good as the PMCs but the Barefoots stuff I think could definitely be superior to ATCs. For some reason, even though I don’t love them - I’ve gotten good results on them. That said, I haven’t used most of their speakers and probably would steer more towards the Neumann 420s before I look to barefoots personally!
So did “Mixes that sounded good elsewhere, didn’t sound that great on the ATC” 1:35, or do ATC “sweeten things up, make them sound better than they actually are”? 2:45 😂
It make acoustic stuff sound better than it actually was and made electronic music and old school mixes sound a lot worst they were! It just wasn't a very consistent experience for me 😂
Your above thoughts are confusing are you referring to ATC studio speakers in contrast to consumer electronics? I have never heard of ATC 45, is it a studio speaker?
This further sends a message that spending money like this for a pair of monitors and sending a message how your ears are missing information tells me a lot; I make music, and I do not let music put me in control; I control what I mix and hear with the excellent equipment I have for a fraction of these bragging right monitors, ATC or PMC, I would spend this kind of money if I was working for Pixar or some Hollyweird shot for movie or video, but for music 20HZ to 25Khz world a pair of (Blah Blah) will work just fine, music is changing every day for the better, a.i starting to jump on the bandwagon, CLA is trying to sell his SSL 4000 board for a steep price when you still have big name competitors still out there, I hear some BEAUTIFUL music/mixes of less expensive gear that I can hear good subtle stuff that tickles my happiness in the music world, having said all this both ATC AND PMC are rock solid monitors!
@@MrAlb3rtazzo if you have a 750 Sub and a well treated room to manage the extra low end - you can do amazing work on the 310s! Without the sub, the lowend easily distorts and messes up mixing decisions. Hope this helps!
My main problem with PMC is the bass, because is produced from a maze of resonances, so the bass you hearing is produced from the speakers or from the resonances ???
@@davidk3872 I’m not sure I understand the question! The Speaker is built for optimized front porting. On SoundOnSound’s review of the PMC 6-2, they explain more in depth this technology that was newly developed by PMC! Hope this helps 🙏
I think you’re referring to the difference between ported and sealed monitors. Both are a compromise in design, ports are used to try and make positive use of the air pressure produced by the bass cone movement, as opposed to trying to absorb and dissipate it (without creating a resonance) like a sealed box does. ATC’s also have ports.
@@davidk3872 this is not true. Sound on Sound explains exactly how these speakers have solved an age old problem of regular ported and closed box speakers. Resonance is certainly not what is “producing” the bass response. The port actually allows for the box to produce almost no harmonic distortion or box resonance. It’s a lot to cover in just one comment but definitely read the Sound on Sound article. It has accurate information on this. Thanks!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR The article from sound on sound in the diagram 2 shows a diference of output in the " transmision line loaded region" of almost 12 dB AND IS NOT THE SAME FREQUENCY AS THE BUMP IN THE BLUE LINE. In the interview from the PMC factory with Warren Huart they call it "Bass reinforcement" indicating that the bass "reinforcement" or resonance is produced an octave bellow
When dealing with analog speakers, interface/dac is very important. There are plenty of bad ones out there. I’d reccomend going for an RME ADI Dac FS on SD LD mode and 96khz or higher sample rate for the best playback under 2k and a Hilo for playback under 5k. If you have multiple monitors, the m905 Grace designs is a great all in one. Hope this helps!
There is a uncomfortable truth to monitoring that none of us would like to admit. Just because a monitor speaker sounds amazing and detailed does NOT mean that a good mix on them will translate well to other speakers. There are no truly "HONEST" speakers, nor can there ever be by the nature of them. Also we assume that things like 'flat response' or super detailed midrange matter when in comes to mix translation, in theory they should but in practice the truth is; all that exciting mid range detail you are adding or that lovely rich low end can only be heard on your super detailed and bassy speakers, whilst on other speakers this can (and often does) sound completely wrong! We search tirelessly for the holy grail speakers that will allow our mixes to sound great everywhere. The truth is it doesn't exist. We may get a new set and be super blown away and hyped when the mix SEEMS to translate so well, but pretty soon again we end up back to square one when the mixes often don't translate, and 'Knowing your monitors' only helps to a point, no matter how well you know them! The only way to be sure that your mix will translate to other speakers is to listen to it on other speakers and make the adjustments. It's just that simple. You would be better off with 3 sets of average speakers/headphones to reference on than one pair of very expensive ones. I hate this but it's the truth.
Hmm, what I have to say to that is check out Teezio’s mixes. He’s a Grammy winning mixing engineer with one monitor pair and mixes songs from start to finish on them. If I can do 90%-100% of my mixing/production on a single pair of monitors, that’s where I’d like to be. I’ll start posting my work on my channel and anyone can feel free to let me know how my work is coming along. If it sounds right, and Teezios mixes sound right, I believe these two cases would terminate the multiple monitor debate. It’s not necessary but definitely makes it easier to have multiple pairs. I prefer headphones in combination with my PMCs if anything, but to each their own! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I don’t think it terminates the debate. Mixes are subjective for a start, there is not necessarily a wrong or right mix. We are talking strictly translation. I’ve yet to meet an engineer that has a set of speakers that translate everywhere, every time. I worked that way for years too. Much of the time my mixes translated very well from one main set, but from time to time there would be something off in translation, something I couldn't hear on my main set. Almost as if there was a blind spot in my monitors that showed up on something else. Something that say, a small set might show up, or some headphones maybe etc etc.Yet every set monitors I would try no matter how good or expensive this issue would inevitably arise again. Over years this caused me to be nervous and second guess how my seemingly great mix might translate to others setups, over time it caused me no end of frustration and disappointment after spending sickening amounts on monitoring/treatment/amps etc etc only to discover yet again it arises. What I came to realise is that every speaker has these blind spots simply by the inherent nature of a speaker. Drivers pushing air, crossovers, amps/the room, etc etc, All incredibly difficult to nullify. So inevitably sooner or later, something will not translate quite right. I started to notice that the most consistent engineers were not relying simply on one set, in fact they would a least check on something else, maybe one reference set or multiple sets. But the reassuring fact is, if your mix sounds great one your mains set and another set too, then you have dramatically increased your chances of your mix translating, get it balanced nice across 3 or 4 sets and you can be sure that what you are hearing is the truth.
You know what, I actually haven’t tried the Barefoot stuff much. I’ve seen plenty of them in different studios but haven’t taken the time to get to know them and I know a bunch of people who love them. Would love to demo them in my space and hope to soon! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thx for reply. Well i have a subwoofer with krks but im kinda looking for the best studio monitors. I was looking for used ATC SCM20ASL PRO MK2s i'm on a fence of buying those my budget is abt 4k. All i need is the most accurate and best tool to mix, design leads / sound design and to master with. I'm open for any recommendations and used markets.
@@erkkisepping2738 best way is to demo some pairs, I could recommend plenty but would probably first reccomend getting speakers with more bass directly in them, unless you get ATC subs or subs that will match the detail of the monitor better (Adam’s, neumanns, etc) I had a Krk sub at one point with my 25s and then some better subs, but I just needed more detail all round to get into the detailed sound design work, especially with 808s and bass work. A neumann setup (310s with 750 sub) or 420s if you have the budget, could work great for you if not PMCs. I figure you’d always want three ways if sound design is what you’re looking to enhance. Best of luck!
dude, I get sooo thrown off with this "it won grammys so its good" thing... it totally misses the point. we should feel absolutely enough on saying "i love his/her mixes" and that's it.
@@hugosilvacfh I agree, I just love to see awesome engineers winning both my respect and award recognition while using modern day solutions to mixing and mastering! I wouldn’t focus on that interpretation of just that one comment when I go into specific detail about so much more
@@wojciechczupta I love listening to music on ATCs a lot, I haven’t heard the 100s extensively but the 50s and 150s along with the RME ADI with DAC filter on “Slow” setting is my favorite playback setup for entertainment ever! Definitely an addictive lineup of monitors for certain. I still miss my pair but my work has never translated better since moving to PMC. Someday I’d like to have a great listening setup at home like yours! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
Y'all chasing PR trends... I can swear that in few years all the "youtubers" and their fanboys will diss ATC and find flaws in them... but today they are "the" thing, tomorrow it will be something else. In reality if you KNOW what you're doing in a fairly treated room, being aware of it's flaws, ANY monitor in that price range (or even cheaper) will do the job...
this is true! any monitor can work, I'm honestly pretty spoiled to have PMC's but I built my career on HS5s! Grateful to have the opportunity to buy my dream monitor pair without even realizing they would be!
unless someone is making a good living out of music there is no point buying monitor of that price rang 2 grand is my limit and enough to pay for high end monitors the rest of you cats are crazy spending more
@@JP-gt8qr this untreated room has served me quite well JP, as I always say - I’ll let the work and experience speak for itself. But, I’ll start a go fund me if you’d like to support the extra acoustic treatment provisions to your liking!
Hİ :) Your ear hear the truth with ATC. Dont blame your self :) PMC so anoying why? all product has no same tonality because has no same driver and topologie. İ cant find any measurement for PMC.. some Hi-fi product terrible measurement with Klippel. İ dont trust them actualy. And last other think TL topologie. Whats your idea for that? My engineer friend saying its anoying bass response.. İ used in my room Scm 7 - 19 and 11 now return to Scm 7 with Rel sub. My room response so good, clear and almost full flat. We maked with rew and other staff. İn my studio used same time Genelec 8030C to 6 months, nice monitor for that price but.. ATC like a rule for detail and Life like, organic sound. İ cant hear another brand monitors with mic position true response but with ATC so direct and target it. So sorry for my english i am learning :) And last word for ATC Tonality its a rule for hall my tested another speaker. İ tested Scm 20 Passive 50 active 100.. Other manufacterer doing really good products but someting missing from my taste. İ am playing Viola 27 years in Synmpy Orchestra. When i listen real insturment and after in my home... Same tonality %90.. İts a magic. Sorry for my explain but i dont agree with your idea. Only i agreed you we are human and we have a diffrent ears and topolgy and hear so differant. You can buy what ever you wannt. But ATC its ATC. Thanks for video mate. Have a nice day.
@@sonatturkoglu33 ATC makes a great product but I feel that in the price range of their monitors, there are better options that present more information for less money. I still love the sound of ATCs but PMC helped me feel myself again as a producer and engineer when before I felt like I was becoming more of an audio enthusiast than a professional. If I was just a film composer, I’d consider sticking with ATC for fun but unfortunately I produce songs with lots of low end and mix and master pop and trap music. Only the 100s and 150s provide me with enough low end and enough detail compared to the PMCs I have so I would definitely recommend you demo the 6-2s with a quality digital output interface and compare the two. Digital monitors in general are the future of pro-audio in my opinion, but I’ll save that for another video! Thank you for leaving this comment and your English was great. Thanks also for watching this video and have a great day! 🙏
@@Feelingawesome0 I’d recommend trying their active monitors. That’s their studio standard today. I’ve never used any of the ones you mentioned personally but I know how different Passive ATCs sound from active ones. Best of luck!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Hi, ye I had the actives as well. When pmc came with the bryston powerpacs. Couldn't get in with any of them. Midrange was awful. Top end Average, the whole balance was off, no soundstaging and the transmission design makes sub bass feel detached from the other frequencies in a non cohesive way.
@@Feelingawesome0 and you’ve demoed their current line up of speakers? All of those are from over 20 years ago! They’re also all two way speakers. A more current comparison would be to the Result 6s or PMC 6. They don’t even sell the TB2 anymore. The DB1 retails for 2k USD as well, that’s a much lower price range than any of the new PMC products are as well. Was looking to see if any of the ones you mentioned were around to hear to listen to but found nothing. I definitely would keep an open mind and listen to some of their slightly newer flagship pairs if you ever get the chance to! Best of luck!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR No I haven't demoed the latest stuff. I've owned dynaudio, focal, Adam, Neumann, genelec, mackie, atc pmc, Yamaha and many others. Yes the new line up may be leagues ahead, however previous models left a bad taste. Internally very cheap crossover components for very expensive speakers (IRON CORE INDUCTORS AND ELECTROLYTIC CAPACITORS) and in my opinion unusable in terms of production and mixing. I'm open minded to hear the new ones though. In my opinion most powered "studio" monitors are very disappointing especially considering that if most modern producers heard a pair of vintage tannoy gold monitors or ls35as from 1976 paired with high end amps their jaws would hit the floor.
@@Feelingawesome0 All of those brands make good products, particularly Neumann from your list. Tannoys are great monitors in general! As are Augspurgers (my personal preference for mains along with PMCs) though I really like Focals for hip-hop production! After hearing so many huge monitor pairs in my day, these PMCs have really impressed me because they somehow capture that big sound without hearing the box itself at all. The Class D system in the new ones are really impressive. Looking deeper into the 6-2 and how it’s build, the quality across the board is rather remarkable from DAC chip to Solid State Amps (ignoring the DSP software bugs they still have to work out). It’s really too bad you’ve had such a bad experience previously with PMC, hopefully you’re able to hear a new pair at some point!
I have KH310s which I love - couldn’t quite afford the ATCs. I have always found the KH310s highly accurate without being at all fatiguing. Went to Gearfest two years ago and met the guys from Neumann who told me adding the sub takes the strain off the nearfields and really opens them up. The demonstrated this to me and the mids (esp low mids) really were so much more open and accessible. They even installed the sub in my studio and aligned the system to the room for no charge - wonderful service! I would say I got a 30% improvement in clarity from an already superb speaker. I’ve worked on many monitors in many professional environments and am of the opinion that no one monitor provides a definitive picture. To that end, I have a pair of avantone grot boxes and a pair of AR 18s paired with a Quad 240 which I have to say is just incredible. Using these in conjunction with the full Neumann array means my music sounds the same on any system.
@@MarcasLancaster this is a wonderful setup you have, I fully support it as a previous owner of 310s myself - they make really great speakers. Congratulations on the great setup 🙏
@@simonaustin1136As someone who just got a kh750 and MA1 to go with the 310s, I would totally recommend you to go for this sub, the dsp in the 750 takes care of aligning the sub and phase correction with the monitors like magic, my setup sounds like night and day now.
real instruments sound authentic on ATC's . PMC 6-2 use horrible class D amplification , and their bass drivers are horrible metal drivers . CLASS D has inherent inbuilt distortions in its output amplification . Their metallic bass drivers colour the sound and do not sound authentic with real instruments . metallic bass drivers make low frequencies sound more thuddy and have inherent metallic resonant distortions , and cannot give the intricate resolution of textures of a carbon paper doped bass driver . I can go on as this is just scratching the surface . ATC'S have excellent resolution . The SCM 25's and 45's do not have the resolute detail and transparency of the 50's and larger models . ATC makes active sub bass modules to compliment and extend the lower frequencies of their 3 ways . The human ear cannot even hear a 20hz tone in the lower bass , all it really doing is moving air molecules we cannot hear 🤣🤣🤣 .
@@ianjohnhorwood2605 Augspuger, Quested, PMC, Kii, all industry standard main/large format monitor designers that opted for Class D amps in their flagship units. Unfortunately, Class D amps are pristine audio technology and are the first choice of monitoring in MOST premier mastering studios worldwide. That said, I can respect and appreciate ATCs, but even the 50s lacked sub for me, especially considering its price point. As long as you are happy with your setup, there’s definitely no need to leave what works for you! I wish you the best on your monitor journey. These PMCs and seemingly the Kii3s are changing the monitoring entirely and I’d be happy to find some time at the studio to demo these monitors properly along side ATCs to show you the stark and obvious difference in quality. Only the SCM 150 competes with these 6-2s in the ATC lineup by my standard. Even then - I choose PMC. Thanks for tuning in 🙏
This guy is a joke, if u need to spend 30k on some speakers.... It aint the monitors its you buddy. All the best recording we all know and love were mixed on cheap ns-10s home speakers that came with a record player and to this day alot of what we hear is still mixed on ns-10s. Smh
For what it is worth, the PMC 6-2 (which I own) are only [ha... ONLY!] 10k a pair. It's a lot but not crazy when compared to other monitors in the same range and the performance is amazing. Fantastic speakers. I also have pair of NS 10's and I wouldn't mix on them for anything in the world. Just a horrible speaker in every way. Useless, and people have been tricked into thinking they belong in studios at all. Same for mix cubes... useless.
I have PMC 8-2’s and ATC25a’s, feel like they really compliment each other and flipping between the two sets gives me a truly full picture 🤷♂️
@@FabvL if I could keep the 25s as a secondary pair that would be cool but I don’t believe I could rely on ATC’s as my main pair. I really don’t want a second pair though interestingly enough, maybe just for producing music and keeping things simple on two way monitors or some sort. Thats said, congrats on the setup man and your stuff sounds solid! Keep up the great music and content bro and thanks for tuning in 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOURfor me personally what has made a bigger difference than speaker brand is Trinnov! Was previously using sound ID and other cheap room correction DSP stuff but it just doesn’t compare IMO. I have a fully treated studio and it still makes the biggest difference out of anything I own, when both speakers are perfect flat and phase aligned it becomes more about the flavor of choice but you can’t go wrong with PMC, they are a great company indeed and the bass response is impressive to say the least! Also, thanks! 🤘
@@FabvL I was curious about the trinnov system for a long time! I appreciate this comment - now I’ve gotta get my hands on the trinnov. That makes a lot of sense, I also wasn’t a huge fan of sound ID, just didn’t sound very natural to me as well. I definitely would’ve like to try the trinnov system with the ATC’s as well but I’m glad you found a solid work flow. Keep killing it bro! 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thanks bro same to you! I just peeped your video on the 6-2's and didn't really it was a double pass through! WTF that's wild, deff gonna connect my 8-2's with a couple of AES cables now, hoping for a huge quality jump! Stay awesome!
@@FabvL Amazing, I'd love to hear your feedback on this ones you switch over to AES!
After trying quite a few of the brands mentioned in this thread, I ended up with ATC 45a Pro. Pretty amazing. I agree about the missing sub information but I'm using two JL Audio e110 Subs. They are quick and compliment the 45's well. What I found in my travels is I don't have to check my mixes if I mix them on my atc's. They just translate well into everything. I don't mix for earbuds
If you love it, nothing to fix there! Still wish you the best on the new 45s 🙏
I love the ATC midrange and totally agree about the lack of low end information. That being said, I can listen to ATC’s all day and never get fatigue. PMC’s transmission line bass blows ATC out the water. Wish I could combine the two into one
Honestly, I think the mid range in the 6-2s is more detailed and accurate actually, but the ATCs sounded more flattering to me and forced me to focus on the mids in a mid forward presentation. Initially I wish I could combine both too but then I realized I just enjoy listening to ATCs so much but wasn’t missing anything from a technical perspective in the PMCs so far! Something with respect to ATC tweeters is that they all have this rolloff or otherwise similar response to them. This makes them less fatiguing but also gives us less to work with. That said, I totally understand where you are coming from! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
I’ve used my SCM200A’s and had a 0.15 sub as well for while now, plus obvs NS10s. I’ve no need to change speakers, don’t find them hard to work on and 100% won’t be changing to equivalent PMCs or any other speakers I’ve heard.
If they work for you all good, if you prefer other monitors like Genelecs or whatever, then fine.
Just use what you like
@@BULLDOGNIC Yes, I happen to personally prefer the PMCs but cost is definitely a huge factor for most people looking to purchase studio monitors in any price range.
The 150s were pretty good and I imagine the 200s are even better. The 6-2s just gave me better results than the 150s for lot cheaper. If I had the cash to fork out for SCM200s and sub AND NS10s + Bryston amp on top of the crazy stands or soffit mounts, maybe Id have given that a shot. But I spent a small fraction of that cost to get these instead and just happened to have a much better time working with them so far. I’m definitely a Class D amp fan as well so just a different character overall. Congrats on your dope setup and thanks for tuning in! 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOURtotally get that, yes price is a factor. I dropped pretty lucky tbh. I’ve had the 200a’s for 20 years and got them at a good price, the sub and NS10’s were S/H but I had the sub re-coned as it was an original late ‘90’s one. You are quite right though, it is about user preference. And tbh the music genre also matters, I’m a House producer, but I like slightly “warmer” monitors (I know that phrase technically,y doesn’t mean anything but you get the point), I used to love the old Tannoy Golds etc for the same reason. For the slightly more punchy / “colder” speakers don’t suit my mixing style (which is already quite clinical). So my opinion is just use what you enjoy working on and learn your monitors and room - cause there’s no such thing as perfection with these areas anyway. Keep up the content and make great music on your new speakers 🙏
Just to add, I don’t actually like the 150s. Much prefer the ATC 12” drivers (100s / 200s) over the 15”, as it has better transients imo. You are correct about really low frequencies though. Even on dual 12”s I had to guess a bit below 40-50Hz (they aren’t soffit mounted though), which is why I got the sub. Although I don’t have it on all the time as some tracks I work on don’t need that much sub 50Hz content anyways
@@BULLDOGNIC this is all really good info to know. I’d love to hear a good pair of 200s someday and I definitely agree with you. Genre and style are also factors for sure! Thanks for the support 🙏
I agree with everything you said about ATC. I've been mixing professionally for 17 years and 3 years ago I bought a pair of SCM25A. Sold them a year later. I could never fully "learn" them, especially the low mids, and I always had to use another set of monitors to properly balance that range. And you need a good sub with those if you mix modern music.
@@wdkbeats thank you for sharing your experience and congrats on a long and fruitful career! Which monitors did you end up switching to?
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR thanks! After 6 months of testing many high end monitors I came up across a new brand from Poland (where I live): Prometheus Acoustics. Long story short - the monitors are fantastic, on par with D&D 8c or Kii Three. Mix revisions went from 2-4 per mix on ATCs to 90% of mixes being approved with no revisions at all.
@@wdkbeats wow they look like incredible monitors! Congratulations on that man and I hope I get the chance to try them at some point in the future
I come from DIY speakers world. There are brands in speaker driver industry that are overcoming others in terms of various type of distortions and engineering - purifi and bliesma. One driver can be worth 1/10 of PMC62. There are studio monitor brands who offer speakers on these drivers. But I saw one video where your college preferred PSI monitors over those on bliesma/purifi. So I am waiting your comparison between PMC/PSI
Working on getting some PSI monitors in ASAP! The more support I get on the channel, the closer I can get putting together rental and demo budgets for brands that don't have readily available pairs to demo (such as PSI). I will definitely be doing this PSI PMC comparison ASAP!
their tweeters have a double suspension, which is smart, but the frequency response is choppy, and above 14khz, a few db drop is hearable.
I agree, they definitely have a rolloff’
Here's my take...for what it's worth (not much). I've been using Genelec for many years. First heard them in Paradise Sound Recording in Index, WA way back in the 90's. Fell in love with them. I'm still using Genelec: 8351B with subs.
But....I talked with John Mayfield at Mayfield Mastering and he highly reccomended geting a pair of PMC. He uses the MB-3 XBD-A. 🤑. So, I've been seriously looking at PMC .
All of that said, I have a Trinnov ST2 Pro in my studio. It's the most amazing and important piece of gear I have ever owned. I've been telling every engineer I know to get the Trinnov, then spend money on monitors. With the Trinnov you'll only need one set of monitors. What you hear coming out of your monitors is what's coming out of the monitors: you don't hear the room. No...I'm not getting paid for my comments. It's just that amazing to me.
Like I said, for what it's worth.
One thing about PMC that is confusing to me: the 8-2 are about $15,000.00. The next step up are the IB2S-AII for about $44,000.00. WTF, over? How about something in-between, PMC folks?
@@laynehoward2870 I actually asked the same to PMC regarding the big jump! The 8-2 XBD system is supposed to bridged that gap a bit, adding on those subs. That said, I continue to hear amazing things about trinnov daily! Would love to grab one soon! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
Haha yeah bro no sub info even in 45as. Slightly dark too. They have no wave guide so the room really makes a difference for the 45s
@@ju1ceaudio right on the money with this comment! Room and placement is always important but even more so with ATCs. Thanks for tuning in! 🙏
Active dsp speakers are a no no for critical mixing! I would either go with amphions or proacs! Bass movement on passive speakers is more realistic and helps you judge you low end mixing decisions, which most struggle to get right!!
@@Mixedbyjojo355 I disagree, these Digital PMC monitors are best known for their low end and detail - especially when you don’t engage the dsp eq function in them. Proacs are definitely great monitors too. Which digital monitors have led you to this conclusion?
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR atc 25a and previously adams and neumann! I switched to amphions and never looking back! If you want spl I’d go with big pa ones ! I have customized jbl for that purpose!
@@Mixedbyjojo355 all three of those would have been class A amps and not digital ones (unless you had the discontinued 310D model). Digital monitors are the future in my opinion! Thank you for sharing your experience with me and for tuning in 🙏
I think people get a little confused with “digital “ speakers (DSP is a different story). A speaker with digital inputs, is just moving the analog conversion a step further up the chain. Now, if it also has DSP, and sounds crap or worse without the DSP on, that could indicate that the drivers are possibly lesser quality or the tuning of the drivers and box is poor and it needs the DSP to bring it up. DSP for room correction purposes is again another story.
@@Truth565 I agree, I feel digital amps and dsp are often confused. That said, the dsp options in the 6-2s are not the best. I much prefer the sound of the monitors direct, I personality noticed the digital character of the EQ when engaged, but it’s so so slight - could be handy for tuning monitors for multiple sweet spots around the room (for clients, etc) but they sound so incredible without the DSP
I do like ATCs but PMCs are preferred for me. The one time i used PMCs in a studio I was like oh THIS is how it’s supposed to sound. Like everything just was so transparent and clear. ATCs sound great but not as this is what it’s supposed to sound like. I definitely agree with what you are saying about ATCs. If i was going to spend that much on speakers it would be amphion (only cause i haven’t heard them) or PMCs. I am currently using Genelecs and Mackie’s. Hoping one day i can afford to get into the 5k+ range for monitors. Stuck in the 1-2k range lol.
Genelecs are fantastic monitors! Noel Gadget Campbell mixed Drakes biggest ever records on small Genelecs and headphones. That said, hoping you’re able to get into a pair that continues to inspire you and I appreciate this comments on monitor clarity in the PMCs. Well said and thank you for tuning in 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR yeah i love them! They’re small but mighty! I’m actually trying to sell my massive 8” mackies for 6” of something, not sure what it’ll be yet and i got a long way before i can afford them again as i just spent most of my reserves on a big studio move and I’m still building it up (acoustic treatment being put up next month as I finish tidying up the space and putting stuff on my desk). These make do for now, but i want something even better.
@@CreativeMindsAudio the proacs could be a great route to go mixing wise, and perhaps focals for a production speaker! Either way you’ll be in a sweet spot with a great 6 inch speaker, enjoy! 🙏
I interned with a big Hollywood engineer ten years ago. He was using ATCs at the time. Sounded wonderful. A few years later, I went to visit and he’d happily switched to KRK V8s cause his mixes translated so much better across systems. He no longer felt he needed to check mixes in the car. I picked up a pair of V8s and now I swear by them too. Better results for >$2k a pair. Insane.
@@lindenfield this is a wild story. I personally really like rockets for production, thanks for bringing them back to my attention! Great monitors by that company!
Hi! for me something similar - on HEDD Type 20 - switchin to Atmos with KRK G5s - no longer problems with tranlation....
@@waltertill1388 congrats on the awesome upgrades! Enjoy it 🙏
One thing ive noticed when working on atcs, is that great more old school classic records don't often sound that good, but they sound amazing in my car or on airpods. Feels like cause the classic records are less polished and bass light maybe that's why they don't sound that good on ATCs maybe? Maybe that's just that their revealing? but then its weird that it sounds good everywhere else. Can/Does a certain monitor persuade you to make certain estethic decisions in a mix?
ATC's have a sound and they definitely don't agree with all music! I experienced something similar where good mixes didn't sound the best and some decent mixes sounded way better than they actually were (especially specifically with the SCM 25a's)!
For a moment, I thought you were chasing your tail with trying to get better and better.. after listening I’m glad that’s not the case. That’s why I love the 310 with the 750 sub. Yea they’re both sealed but they’re boring. Which means the excitement is up to you to add to it with your mix and processing. Another great video.
kh750 with 310a with room correction mic is elite. But I'm going to be either upgrading to the scm45a, amphion one25a, or pmc 6-2 next
@@matthewtrenhaile1176 I’m interested in barefoot microstack.. idk how they sound tho.
@@RainAstonIV you know what’s crazy, I was so close to going right back to my 310s and 750 sub combo, they are a very close second to these PMCs and actually have a slightly better low end extension than the 6-2’s with the 750 sub. I’m in full support of neumann 310s + sub and 420s + sub as well! Thank you for the kind words and tuning into the channel 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I now wonder how the 310As sound vs the 310Ds based off what you said about the PMCs
@@RainAstonIV I do believe there were a lot of issues with the 310D, if I’m not mistaken, it was a discontinued model but I think digital monitors in general have good merits! Genelec also has a great pair of digital monitors in this price range
Holly shit, these was my thoughts when I was on hunt for my current monitors. Even much cheaper Trio 6 Be was better for mixing modern music (in example movement in bass is much more reveiling than on ATC). Now I have PMC 6-2 too, transients on bass are amazing, mid range is really reveiling in good way (not like in ATC which make you spending time for overproducing things that no one without ATC can ever hear) and now I planing to move on straight to big MB2. :D
@@kromal92 I would love to get my hands on the MB2 XBDs! I’m glad to hear you’ve had a similar experience, finding the right monitors can be so hard. Thanks for tuning in 🙏
I’ve never owned an ATC but I do own a PMC Result 6 and even though it’s the lowest model PMC has, the quality is superb! Mixes translate really well. I do need a sub with them but overall PMC’s just work
@@JeanmarkRodriguez my best engineer/producer friend started on result 6s and loved them so much that we both ended up going down this pmc path! They are great speakers for sure 💯
Young Guru mixes on a pair of IN-8 and NS-10. In a good treated room and some room correction they sound great and translate great
@@belgradeboy1977 Yung Guru and many others use NS10s in major studios. Pricey Bryston Amp play a big role in those NS10s sound. I’ve seen some of the major mixing spaces in NY equipped with $8000 Bryston 4 amps. Room as well is important for sure. I’d take a pair of NS10s with Bryston for JUST mixing music over ATCs personally. For production and mixing I’m looking a different direction entirely! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
I have the neumann kh120. I am using an Adam 10' sub but plan to buy the kh750 or kh805 sub for my kh120s. Do you recommend I get the sub for the kh120 or sale them and get the 310 without the sub ? my room is half the size of a bed room and fully treated. ive had the hedd type 20s but didn't dig the tweeter that much.
I definitely wouldn’t be able to rely on the neumann 310s without a subwoofer! The THD and low end are too unreliable - even if it sounds really good! That said, the ADAM sub is dope! I would maybe consider doing some room testing to see how accurate to combo is sounding in your room and if it’s pretty close or requires small changes to fix, you’ll be good to go! If you’re unable to fix a phasing issue or something you might discover is going wrong, I would recommend you consider switching to the kh750 sub before upgrading to the 310s. That said, the best case scenario is getting 2 kh750 subs and pair them with the kh310s. Having 2 subs is always a wise decision. Hope of of
This helps! 🙏
How do you feel looking back at the old videos you made on the ATCs you owned? Do you disagree with the points you made in favour of them back then? Great content fam
@@lariatolariato great question! I still feel that they are really great sounding monitors but I no longer feel that they are the best in their price range for all professional applications. Looking back on that video, I feel that my knowledge base was a bit dated and a lot of new monitors came out since I last shopped around properly (Focal, PMC, PDP Mum, etc). I also have a newfound appreciation for digital monitors as I was of a somewhat purist mindset before moving to PMC. Thanks for tuning in 🙏
Can you give your thoughts on the new Focal Trio6 ST6? How does it compare to the ATC and PMC’s you’ve used?
@@AJLPM4 I did indeed have a pair or Focal ST6 Trio6’s to try out as well at a friends of the mine’s studio. I went right away to hear them and have a few things to say about them for sure. There was one thing in particular that got my attention and I’ll make a review video on the Trio’s this week!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR can't wait🔥
For me - I went from OG Twin 6 BE -> Adam S3H + Sub12 (massive mistake) -> ExMachina Quasar. I compared the SCM45A, PMC 6-2, PSI A25-M, Kii Three, Dutch and Dutch 8C, and the ExMachina. I highly recommend giving the Quasars a try if you haven’t yet, utterly phenomenal sound that combines the best aspects of ATC midrange, the low and high end extension of PMC fullstacks, transient response of PSI, and room fit of Kii. They’re also field serviceable and upgradable with first class support (my MKII upgrades were next day overnight with a simple phone call straight to the owner). Paired with my Audeze LCD5 - zero revisions, mixes done faster than ever!
I do understand what ATC is selling - they’re very traditional monitors for a very traditional approach to mixing. It’s just not *my* preferred approach.
I actually have never seen a pair before! Would be happy to try them out! What genre and kind of work are you mixing predominantly?
@@RAYNETHESAVIOURAll over the map! I just finished up a friend’s country album and a drum and bass (electronic music) EP for a client this week! Hip hop as well, lots of rock down here in Austin.
What’s your thoughts about the Dutch 8c ?
Bro where can I find some of your work?? Mixing or mastering??
@@BarcodezProduction I think you asked before on another video! Check out my Instagram page linked in the description
I sold my Kii3 switch to 6-2~ and happy :P
@@DoubleWei777 Congratulations on the new monitors! I’m curious to hear what you felt lacked in the kii3s that the PMC’s have, I haven’t ever tried the kii3s myself and would love to hear your opinion
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR biggest difference between Kii3 and 6-2 is bass or sub feeling~the client's always want to felt the bass not hearing the sub :P, 6-2 got the good balance between feeling and hearing the sub frequency.
Psi audio 23 or 25. Atc killer
@@ToniJXN I’m excited to get a pair of these in to Demo! Planning a review of these for December ⏳
Even the A17s are amazing, still being used at Metropolis Mastering after years (along with PMC).
actually the PSI don't have the detail resolution of a pair of ASL ATC'S .
@@ianjohnhorwood2605 I’ll be getting a pair of PSIs in the studio in a couple months to review. I’ll be able to put this to rest as well soon but I do heavily favor the PSI’s at the moment over the equivalent ATC builds.
Truer words have never been spoken 👍
Thx for sharing your experience. Just wondering if LS1 on your radar?
I'm not sure I've tried them yet but I'll have to check them out!
Yeah PMC 8-2 here 🙋♂️ Might grab the Amphions to compliment them. Thinking about going full PMC XDB system. PS: I think the 8-2 would’ve fit your room perfectly! I had my demos flat in my room. Mind blown for the size! That gave me the confidence to grab them.
@@Mike-vr7mb you know what, my gut just told me to go with the 6-2s but I really would’ve like the extra robust sub in the 8-2. That said, congrats on your new monitors and I hope you are enjoying them! Thanks for the tip 🙏
What do you feel the PMCs are missing to look for the amphions ?
@@davidk3872 No specific reason. I have been using the 8-2s on their own for a year now, never felt I was lacking anything at all. I just have the Ns10s and they don’t really match the aesthetic. That’s about it lol! Drives me nuts. Amphions simply look like a modern version and I’ve heard them before so that’s really the absurd reason if you like. 👍
@@Mike-vr7mb Studio aesthetics are really important for me too
Besides,ATC support is so lousy...i have a problem with my scm25a, so i contacted the support and they didnt reply since 2 months
@@moustafaabdulreda that’s terrible - sorry to hear that man! In Toronto, the distributors were really solid but I know it can vary greatly from place to place. Best of luck! 🤞🏽
Most people will have a laugh at what I use to do my final mixes, logitech speakers with sub! my mixes translated everywhere so much better as it simulates a really good car set up. Crazy I know that a $100 set would work so well. But it does 2 things for me, it shows when there is too much 3-4k in gtrs or any instrument and reveals whether the bass is deep enough. I don't have to do car checks anymore at all. They are good at revealing any excessive frequencies.
That’s a wild setup but very impressive that you can get the results you desire from it! Congrats 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I know its crazy but it actually works :)
@@jason.martinbrother, what is your Logs model exactly? There are plenty of them. One of the notable ones - Z-2200 for a sub, but not so clear satellites. Then there's newer Z623 with better satellites, but might sound a bit plasticky. And some oldschool ones.
@@---pp7tq Mine are about 8 years old, I am not sure what model they are but they sound great, very balanced.
Would like to hear your thoughts on atmos music and mixing.
@@RainAstonIV I love this, I have a lot to say about Atmos and would be happy to speak on this! Thank you for this idea 🙏
Which do you prefer between apogee and uad apollo???
@@JACØBSOUNDRADIO i use the Apogee Symphony for A/D (recording vocals) and I use the Apollo primarily for headphone monitoring (live effects, autotune etc). The converters in the Symphony interfaces are better to my ear but the user experience and recording features are a lot better on the Apollo (and you get the UAD plug-in dsp if you need it). Hope this helps!
what camera you using?
@@Platnumbaby I use a three different camera’s for these videos, fujifilm XS-20, Sony A7IV and a Black Magic Pro Cinema Camera. Lately it’s been just the XS-20. We got a commercial production company out here so the film locker is different
@ thanks for the reply
what you think of amphion two18
To be honest, I haven’t used them enough to confidently say what I want to say about them, but I will try to get a pair in to demo because I’ve been meaning to make a video on them!
I'm a PMC 6-2 owner and I'm curious, they are designed for the bass ports to be on the INSIDE, you have your left and right switched. Do you have a reason, because with the ports inside your low end punch down the center is improved and the stereo spread is much less scattered. Unless you have a specific reason to have them reversed, I suggest swapping them to the correct position. The low end coalescence is much tighter. I love my 6-2's . welcome to the club!
@@kniferideaudio Dude, you are a life saver. I just saw your comments and switched them. Just like you said, I totally say other hip hop and Pop dudes do the inverted direction on the speakers and figured it was for good reason. Totally don’t know how they work like that after trying it the right way. If you’re ever in Toronto, let me know and I’d be happy to help out in any way I can.
@@kniferideaudio Gonna make a video on this and shout you out so hopefully this knowledge can help out more people as well 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Awesome man!!! Spread the word! I actually tried then set up that way in my space because it is kind of narrow and I thought having the ports out would be better and although they did sound pretty good still, the low end was a little pillowy. With then in the center it's like having a sub right down the middle! Congrats on the PMC's. Great speakers!
@@kniferideaudio after using it this way for a few days, I’ve actually switched them back to the way they were with a slightly adjusted positioning! I did a boost in the low end of just over a db and I actually now prefer it this way, it sound a bit less clear to me when it’s in the other direction but I like both ways for sure
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Cool. I looked into it a little more and it looks like PMC do recommend that set up for certain issues controlling Low end and widening the stereo spread for people sitting close. My room is very treated for low end so It measures more accurately for me the standard setup. These speakers sound so goo I bet you really cant go wrong.. Cheers.
my firts monitors ATC I bought 45 and then 50, i work with them 3 yers, then i wanted buy ATC 110 and i order them, but accidentally i bought Genelec 8361 & sub w371 pair 20 000 $. and for now can`t wit they show me!((( but accidentally i saw you for PMC what they need turn on for AES, and now i be try it))))
@@aleksandrpopleev amazing, I hope you find the Genelec to sound better through AES! I heard they are best suited for mastering with a proper AES connection. Thanks for tuning in 🙏
Welcome to the club!
Happy to be here 🙏
How would you compare the sound of the 6-2 to Neumann kh420’s
The Neumann 420s are fantastic speakers. I really like all Neumann speakers but I find that they all perform best along side Neumann Subs. Harmonic distortion has been an issue for me with all of the Neumann monitors I’ve had so far (with respect to balancing low end perfectly) and for this reason I give the PMCs the upper hand. That said, I still love neumann monitors and would be happy with either one! I’ll hopefully get a pair of Neumann 420s in this room and do a full review of the speaker in the future for the channel. Thanks for tuning in!
Have you tried the Nemann kh150 monitors with calibration and sub? I wonder how something like that compares to this pmc system.
@@thapixelduveet1860 I’ve never used the 150s but I did have the 120s and the 310s at the studio! Both only really work with the 750 sub. Just not enough low in end the 120s for accurate sub bass production without headphones and the 310s had plenty of bass but way too much harmonic distortion for the low end to be transparent without the 750 sub. I still prefer the PMC to my neumann setups but neumann isn’t far off. I really enjoyed producing on them specifically! Hope this helps 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR did you have a problem with the neumans? I plan on buying the kh150's with a sub and room correction for producing and mixing. I want the mix to translate well to other systems. They are kinda in my budget🙃. I have the ndh30 and like the sound.
@@thapixelduveet1860 the Neumann are all really great specifically with the 750 sub. Just make sure your room is treated appropriately to benefit from having a single sub and satellite monitors. That said, I haven’t tried the 150s specifically but if it’s anything like the 120s and the 310s, it’ll work great with the neumann 750 sub!
I have Neumann KH 80's and love them for mixing. I have heard that the larger models are voiced exactly the same, so only get the bigger 150's if you need the extra SPL. They apparently sound very close to the 120's and 80's.
@@thapixelduveet1860 go for it, they will bury the PMC's when it comes to accuracy.
Hi! I see you have ATC monitors. Could you share your thoughts on them? My room is about 16 square meters (roughly 172 square feet) with ceiling heights of 2.7-2.8 meters (8.9-9.2 feet), and I’m planning to do serious acoustic treatment. In your opinion, which monitors would be a better fit for my room - ATC 25 or ATC 45? My goal is to achieve highly accurate mixing and mastering.
45’s fit well in a 16sqm room
@@MrDddrrrggg thank you so much!
@@kanstprod2575 but you need very good treatment. Atc’s are heavily reliant on room acoustics.
For that big of a room, I’d go with 45’s and some subs! Lots of a space there, best of luck!
Have you tried the PMC result6 ?
@@ivanendeavour815 I haven’t personally, but my friend had them for a while and just got into his 6-2s. He really liked the result 6s but would probably lean toward the new PMC 6 instead
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thanks for the answer man, and what about Barefoot, do you think they are as good as PMC?
@@ivanendeavour815 I haven’t heard a barefoot speaker that was as good as the PMCs but the Barefoots stuff I think could definitely be superior to ATCs. For some reason, even though I don’t love them - I’ve gotten good results on them. That said, I haven’t used most of their speakers and probably would steer more towards the Neumann 420s before I look to barefoots personally!
So did “Mixes that sounded good elsewhere, didn’t sound that great on the ATC” 1:35, or do ATC “sweeten things up, make them sound better than they actually are”? 2:45 😂
It make acoustic stuff sound better than it actually was and made electronic music and old school mixes sound a lot worst they were! It just wasn't a very consistent experience for me 😂
Your above thoughts are confusing are you referring to ATC studio speakers in contrast to consumer electronics? I have never heard of ATC 45, is it a studio speaker?
@@Romulus980 the ATC SCM 45 pair is one of ATC’s flagship studio grade monitors. Check out their line up on the ATC website!
This further sends a message that spending money like this for a pair of monitors and sending a message how your ears are missing information tells me a lot; I make music, and I do not let music put me in control; I control what I mix and hear with the excellent equipment I have for a fraction of these bragging right monitors, ATC or PMC, I would spend this kind of money if I was working for Pixar or some Hollyweird shot for movie or video, but for music 20HZ to 25Khz world a pair of (Blah Blah) will work just fine, music is changing every day for the better, a.i starting to jump on the bandwagon, CLA is trying to sell his SSL 4000 board for a steep price when you still have big name competitors still out there, I hear some BEAUTIFUL music/mixes of less expensive gear that I can hear good subtle stuff that tickles my happiness in the music world, having said all this both ATC AND PMC are rock solid monitors!
I guess I’ll have to start with what I work on and who I work for next video. Thanks for tuning in! 🙏
how about Neumann 310 ?
@@MrAlb3rtazzo if you have a 750 Sub and a well treated room to manage the extra low end - you can do amazing work on the 310s! Without the sub, the lowend easily distorts and messes up mixing decisions. Hope this helps!
ATC has you traumatized 😂
I’d have to agree bro 😂
My main problem with PMC is the bass, because is produced from a maze of resonances, so the bass you hearing is produced from the speakers or from the resonances ???
@@davidk3872 I’m not sure I understand the question! The Speaker is built for optimized front porting. On SoundOnSound’s review of the PMC 6-2, they explain more in depth this technology that was newly developed by PMC! Hope this helps 🙏
I think you’re referring to the difference between ported and sealed monitors. Both are a compromise in design, ports are used to try and make positive use of the air pressure produced by the bass cone movement, as opposed to trying to absorb and dissipate it (without creating a resonance) like a sealed box does. ATC’s also have ports.
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR The bass extension is not produced by the speaker cones, is produced by the box resonances
@@davidk3872 this is not true. Sound on Sound explains exactly how these speakers have solved an age old problem of regular ported and closed box speakers. Resonance is certainly not what is “producing” the bass response. The port actually allows for the box to produce almost no harmonic distortion or box resonance. It’s a lot to cover in just one comment but definitely read the Sound on Sound article. It has accurate information on this. Thanks!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR The article from sound on sound in the diagram 2 shows a diference of output in the " transmision line loaded region" of almost 12 dB AND IS NOT THE SAME FREQUENCY AS THE BUMP IN THE BLUE LINE.
In the interview from the PMC factory with Warren Huart they call it "Bass reinforcement" indicating that the bass "reinforcement" or resonance is produced an octave bellow
Thinking of going 310’s + sub myself for mixing. How important is the interface/DAC when upgrading monitors?
When dealing with analog speakers, interface/dac is very important. There are plenty of bad ones out there. I’d reccomend going for an RME ADI Dac FS on SD LD mode and 96khz or higher sample rate for the best playback under 2k and a Hilo for playback under 5k. If you have multiple monitors, the m905 Grace designs is a great all in one. Hope this helps!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Noted, but would Neumann KH310’s + KH750 sub w/alignment kit classify as “analog speakers”?
@@clintyoung9902 yes it would, but a great analog setup indeed!
There is a uncomfortable truth to monitoring that none of us would like to admit. Just because a monitor speaker sounds amazing and detailed does NOT mean that a good mix on them will translate well to other speakers. There are no truly "HONEST" speakers, nor can there ever be by the nature of them. Also we assume that things like 'flat response' or super detailed midrange matter when in comes to mix translation, in theory they should but in practice the truth is; all that exciting mid range detail you are adding or that lovely rich low end can only be heard on your super detailed and bassy speakers, whilst on other speakers this can (and often does) sound completely wrong! We search tirelessly for the holy grail speakers that will allow our mixes to sound great everywhere. The truth is it doesn't exist. We may get a new set and be super blown away and hyped when the mix SEEMS to translate so well, but pretty soon again we end up back to square one when the mixes often don't translate, and 'Knowing your monitors' only helps to a point, no matter how well you know them! The only way to be sure that your mix will translate to other speakers is to listen to it on other speakers and make the adjustments. It's just that simple. You would be better off with 3 sets of average speakers/headphones to reference on than one pair of very expensive ones. I hate this but it's the truth.
Hmm, what I have to say to that is check out Teezio’s mixes. He’s a Grammy winning mixing engineer with one monitor pair and mixes songs from start to finish on them. If I can do 90%-100% of my mixing/production on a single pair of monitors, that’s where I’d like to be. I’ll start posting my work on my channel and anyone can feel free to let me know how my work is coming along. If it sounds right, and Teezios mixes sound right, I believe these two cases would terminate the multiple monitor debate. It’s not necessary but definitely makes it easier to have multiple pairs. I prefer headphones in combination with my PMCs if anything, but to each their own! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I don’t think it terminates the debate. Mixes are subjective for a start, there is not necessarily a wrong or right mix. We are talking strictly translation. I’ve yet to meet an engineer that has a set of speakers that translate everywhere, every time. I worked that way for years too. Much of the time my mixes translated very well from one main set, but from time to time there would be something off in translation, something I couldn't hear on my main set. Almost as if there was a blind spot in my monitors that showed up on something else. Something that say, a small set might show up, or some headphones maybe etc etc.Yet every set monitors I would try no matter how good or expensive this issue would inevitably arise again. Over years this caused me to be nervous and second guess how my seemingly great mix might translate to others setups, over time it caused me no end of frustration and disappointment after spending sickening amounts on monitoring/treatment/amps etc etc only to discover yet again it arises. What I came to realise is that every speaker has these blind spots simply by the inherent nature of a speaker. Drivers pushing air, crossovers, amps/the room, etc etc, All incredibly difficult to nullify. So inevitably sooner or later, something will not translate quite right. I started to notice that the most consistent engineers were not relying simply on one set, in fact they would a least check on something else, maybe one reference set or multiple sets. But the reassuring fact is, if your mix sounds great one your mains set and another set too, then you have dramatically increased your chances of your mix translating, get it balanced nice across 3 or 4 sets and you can be sure that what you are hearing is the truth.
Have you tried any of the Barefoot micromain or blueprint monitors?
You know what, I actually haven’t tried the Barefoot stuff much. I’ve seen plenty of them in different studios but haven’t taken the time to get to know them and I know a bunch of people who love them. Would love to demo them in my space and hope to soon! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
Anyone heard or mixed on ATC SCM20ASL PRO MK2s are they good for hardstyle / edm?
@@erkkisepping2738 it’s got more bass than the 25s but you’ll still need something with better low end in my opinion for hard style. Hope this helps!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thx for reply. Well i have a subwoofer with krks but im kinda looking for the best studio monitors. I was looking for used ATC SCM20ASL PRO MK2s i'm on a fence of buying those my budget is abt 4k. All i need is the most accurate and best tool to mix, design leads / sound design and to master with. I'm open for any recommendations and used markets.
@@erkkisepping2738 best way is to demo some pairs, I could recommend plenty but would probably first reccomend getting speakers with more bass directly in them, unless you get ATC subs or subs that will match the detail of the monitor better (Adam’s, neumanns, etc) I had a Krk sub at one point with my 25s and then some better subs, but I just needed more detail all round to get into the detailed sound design work, especially with 808s and bass work. A neumann setup (310s with 750 sub) or 420s if you have the budget, could work great for you if not PMCs. I figure you’d always want three ways if sound design is what you’re looking to enhance. Best of luck!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thanks for the info, Best of luck you too!
dude, I get sooo thrown off with this "it won grammys so its good" thing... it totally misses the point. we should feel absolutely enough on saying "i love his/her mixes" and that's it.
@@hugosilvacfh I agree, I just love to see awesome engineers winning both my respect and award recognition while using modern day solutions to mixing and mastering! I wouldn’t focus on that interpretation of just that one comment when I go into specific detail about so much more
How about barefoot footprint 03
Hoping to run a review for it soon!
Interesting points
Sold my PMC for PSI
Which PMC model for which PSI?
interesting view. I use SCM100 active at home for music and video playback and they are delightful. Absolutely addictive
@@wojciechczupta I love listening to music on ATCs a lot, I haven’t heard the 100s extensively but the 50s and 150s along with the RME ADI with DAC filter on “Slow” setting is my favorite playback setup for entertainment ever! Definitely an addictive lineup of monitors for certain. I still miss my pair but my work has never translated better since moving to PMC. Someday I’d like to have a great listening setup at home like yours! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
Tbh
Genelec is mustard race
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I didn’t get it honestly 😂 but thank you for tuning in 🙏
Y'all chasing PR trends... I can swear that in few years all the "youtubers" and their fanboys will diss ATC and find flaws in them... but today they are "the" thing, tomorrow it will be something else. In reality if you KNOW what you're doing in a fairly treated room, being aware of it's flaws, ANY monitor in that price range (or even cheaper) will do the job...
this is true! any monitor can work, I'm honestly pretty spoiled to have PMC's but I built my career on HS5s! Grateful to have the opportunity to buy my dream monitor pair without even realizing they would be!
Great video. Great Info. Cliques 😂😂😂
unless someone is making a good living out of music there is no point buying monitor of that price rang 2 grand is my limit
and enough to pay for high end monitors the rest of you cats are crazy spending more
Treat your room first my guy
@@JP-gt8qr this untreated room has served me quite well JP, as I always say - I’ll let the work and experience speak for itself. But, I’ll start a go fund me if you’d like to support the extra acoustic treatment provisions to your liking!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR entitled much lol
He lost me at “daw sounds”
Stick around; we’ll get you caught up in no time, I promise 😉
Hİ :) Your ear hear the truth with ATC. Dont blame your self :) PMC so anoying why? all product has no same tonality because has no same driver and topologie. İ cant find any measurement for PMC.. some Hi-fi product terrible measurement with Klippel. İ dont trust them actualy. And last other think TL topologie. Whats your idea for that? My engineer friend saying its anoying bass response.. İ used in my room Scm 7 - 19 and 11 now return to Scm 7 with Rel sub. My room response so good, clear and almost full flat. We maked with rew and other staff. İn my studio used same time Genelec 8030C to 6 months, nice monitor for that price but.. ATC like a rule for detail and Life like, organic sound. İ cant hear another brand monitors with mic position true response but with ATC so direct and target it. So sorry for my english i am learning :) And last word for ATC Tonality its a rule for hall my tested another speaker. İ tested Scm 20 Passive 50 active 100.. Other manufacterer doing really good products but someting missing from my taste. İ am playing Viola 27 years in Synmpy Orchestra. When i listen real insturment and after in my home... Same tonality %90.. İts a magic. Sorry for my explain but i dont agree with your idea. Only i agreed you we are human and we have a diffrent ears and topolgy and hear so differant. You can buy what ever you wannt. But ATC its ATC. Thanks for video mate. Have a nice day.
@@sonatturkoglu33 ATC makes a great product but I feel that in the price range of their monitors, there are better options that present more information for less money. I still love the sound of ATCs but PMC helped me feel myself again as a producer and engineer when before I felt like I was becoming more of an audio enthusiast than a professional. If I was just a film composer, I’d consider sticking with ATC for fun but unfortunately I produce songs with lots of low end and mix and master pop and trap music. Only the 100s and 150s provide me with enough low end and enough detail compared to the PMCs I have so I would definitely recommend you demo the 6-2s with a quality digital output interface and compare the two. Digital monitors in general are the future of pro-audio in my opinion, but I’ll save that for another video! Thank you for leaving this comment and your English was great. Thanks also for watching this video and have a great day! 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thanks to mate for answer! :) i agreed for the price to! İ will follow you 🙏🏼
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Thanks for answer! :) i wonder your experiance! Have a nice day again. i will follow you!
I wouldn't buy pmc again. Db1s tb1s and tb2s with bryston amps. Really not very good. Very overrated.
@@Feelingawesome0 I’d recommend trying their active monitors. That’s their studio standard today. I’ve never used any of the ones you mentioned personally but I know how different Passive ATCs sound from active ones. Best of luck!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Hi, ye I had the actives as well. When pmc came with the bryston powerpacs. Couldn't get in with any of them. Midrange was awful. Top end Average, the whole balance was off, no soundstaging and the transmission design makes sub bass feel detached from the other frequencies in a non cohesive way.
@@Feelingawesome0 and you’ve demoed their current line up of speakers? All of those are from over 20 years ago! They’re also all two way speakers. A more current comparison would be to the Result 6s or PMC 6. They don’t even sell the TB2 anymore. The DB1 retails for 2k USD as well, that’s a much lower price range than any of the new PMC products are as well. Was looking to see if any of the ones you mentioned were around to hear to listen to but found nothing. I definitely would keep an open mind and listen to some of their slightly newer flagship pairs if you ever get the chance to! Best of luck!
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR No I haven't demoed the latest stuff. I've owned dynaudio, focal, Adam, Neumann, genelec, mackie, atc pmc, Yamaha and many others. Yes the new line up may be leagues ahead, however previous models left a bad taste. Internally very cheap crossover components for very expensive speakers (IRON CORE INDUCTORS AND ELECTROLYTIC CAPACITORS) and in my opinion unusable in terms of production and mixing. I'm open minded to hear the new ones though. In my opinion most powered "studio" monitors are very disappointing especially considering that if most modern producers heard a pair of vintage tannoy gold monitors or ls35as from 1976 paired with high end amps their jaws would hit the floor.
@@Feelingawesome0 All of those brands make good products, particularly Neumann from your list. Tannoys are great monitors in general! As are Augspurgers (my personal preference for mains along with PMCs) though I really like Focals for hip-hop production! After hearing so many huge monitor pairs in my day, these PMCs have really impressed me because they somehow capture that big sound without hearing the box itself at all. The Class D system in the new ones are really impressive. Looking deeper into the 6-2 and how it’s build, the quality across the board is rather remarkable from DAC chip to Solid State Amps (ignoring the DSP software bugs they still have to work out). It’s really too bad you’ve had such a bad experience previously with PMC, hopefully you’re able to hear a new pair at some point!
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ns10s are better for mixing.
@@thomaswithdollars ns10 + Bryston AMP + Crane Song/Lavry was a near field studio staple for decades! Thanks for tuning in 🙏
I have KH310s which I love - couldn’t quite afford the ATCs. I have always found the KH310s highly accurate without being at all fatiguing. Went to Gearfest two years ago and met the guys from Neumann who told me adding the sub takes the strain off the nearfields and really opens them up. The demonstrated this to me and the mids (esp low mids) really were so much more open and accessible. They even installed the sub in my studio and aligned the system to the room for no charge - wonderful service! I would say I got a 30% improvement in clarity from an already superb speaker. I’ve worked on many monitors in many professional environments and am of the opinion that no one monitor provides a definitive picture. To that end, I have a pair of avantone grot boxes and a pair of AR 18s paired with a Quad 240 which I have to say is just incredible. Using these in conjunction with the full Neumann array means my music sounds the same on any system.
@@MarcasLancaster this is a wonderful setup you have, I fully support it as a previous owner of 310s myself - they make really great speakers. Congratulations on the great setup 🙏
@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR thanks for your generous comment and for provoking an interesting discussion - it’s not often we hear ATC criticism.
I have KH310's and have been contemplating a sub, how did you navigate the crossover points and integrating the sub etc?
@@simonaustin1136As someone who just got a kh750 and MA1 to go with the 310s, I would totally recommend you to go for this sub, the dsp in the 750 takes care of aligning the sub and phase correction with the monitors like magic, my setup sounds like night and day now.
@@simonaustin1136 the guys from Neumann literally came over with their laser and mics and configured the system for free.
real instruments sound authentic on ATC's . PMC 6-2 use horrible class D amplification , and their bass drivers are horrible metal drivers . CLASS D has inherent inbuilt distortions in its output amplification . Their metallic bass drivers colour the sound and do not sound authentic with real instruments . metallic bass drivers make low frequencies sound more thuddy and have inherent metallic resonant distortions , and cannot give the intricate resolution of textures of a carbon paper doped bass driver . I can go on as this is just scratching the surface . ATC'S have excellent resolution . The SCM 25's and 45's do not have the resolute detail and transparency of the 50's and larger models . ATC makes active sub bass modules to compliment and extend the lower frequencies of their 3 ways . The human ear cannot even hear a 20hz tone in the lower bass , all it really doing is moving air molecules we cannot hear 🤣🤣🤣 .
@@ianjohnhorwood2605 Augspuger, Quested, PMC, Kii, all industry standard main/large format monitor designers that opted for Class D amps in their flagship units. Unfortunately, Class D amps are pristine audio technology and are the first choice of monitoring in MOST premier mastering studios worldwide. That said, I can respect and appreciate ATCs, but even the 50s lacked sub for me, especially considering its price point. As long as you are happy with your setup, there’s definitely no need to leave what works for you! I wish you the best on your monitor journey. These PMCs and seemingly the Kii3s are changing the monitoring entirely and I’d be happy to find some time at the studio to demo these monitors properly along side ATCs to show you the stark and obvious difference in quality. Only the SCM 150 competes with these 6-2s in the ATC lineup by my standard. Even then - I choose PMC. Thanks for tuning in 🙏
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This guy is a joke, if u need to spend 30k on some speakers.... It aint the monitors its you buddy. All the best recording we all know and love were mixed on cheap ns-10s home speakers that came with a record player and to this day alot of what we hear is still mixed on ns-10s. Smh
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For what it is worth, the PMC 6-2 (which I own) are only [ha... ONLY!] 10k a pair. It's a lot but not crazy when compared to other monitors in the same range and the performance is amazing. Fantastic speakers. I also have pair of NS 10's and I wouldn't mix on them for anything in the world. Just a horrible speaker in every way. Useless, and people have been tricked into thinking they belong in studios at all. Same for mix cubes... useless.