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@@davidfuller581 I wouldn’t say the 25s NEED subs, but they can definitely help! Thanks for watching! 🙏

In my use they really lack much of anything below about 40-50hz.

@@davidfuller581 I agree, I use Audeze headphones to double check things down that low because getting a room to accurately support subs that low is tough in the first place. That said, I do like the 25s with a sub pairing but I’ve be able to work around subs for a long time nevertheless and often don’t run to turning it on outside of production or writing sessions.

They do have really great technology 💯 great investment with their subs! Thanks for watching 🙏

I traded some vital organs for my pair - only one engineer was harmed in the making of this video 🤓😂 thanks for watching!

Happy i could provide some useful info! With neumann monitors it is always good be a good idea to pair them with neumann subs. The 420s do have a great low end bass response but there is a still a bit of that overload protection stuff going on in it when pushed heavily. The two studios I know that really love their 420s specifically for mastering do use them with two subs but if you were thinking more for production and mixing, you could get away with not having a sub for sure! The Neumann line up is now becoming less and less popular in the monitoring space as well and I think there might be better deals for your buck in the same budget range as 420s + subs, hope this helps! 🙏 thanks for watching

Thank you! Your response was very helpful. ATC 25As with good subs seems the way to go!

@@clones1093 My pleasure man, Happy to help! I always figured it be great to mention the audeze MM-500 headphones to you as well. They are the only pair of headphones that I believe to be mastering grade (as well as the audeze lcd 4s but they are priced a little too crazy for me) and with a great DAC, headphone amp and Sonarworks headphone correction - they are insanely good. I'd definitely look into those as well! Under those conditions, they sound like a 20 thousand dollar room without the hefty price tag of one. Best of luck in your purchasing and I'd be happy to share any other experiences with monitors I have if you need anything else after this too. Best of luck! 🙏

At sane levels, I'd say no - the 420s get quite loud without subs. There are benefits to using two subs but I would not call them necessary at all.

@@33beatzmusik yessir, the proof is in the pudding! Thanks for watching 🙏

@@revelationsoundstudio focals are fun monitors for sure! It is very very important to have a well treated room and quality DAC with ATC monitors to have fun with them. Focals do have a more narrow and gelled sound for sure in the one trio6s but the new model of 6s they just released is a serious competitor in the monitor game for sure. The new mid range dome is super nice. That said, ATC is the truth! I’m an ATC guy for life. Quested, PMC, Amphion and PSI are definitely on my radar for second pairs as well. Thanks for watching! 🙏

I think they are awesome too. I'm sure I would have learned to work on them if I stuck with them. I did however save $3,000 by going with the Focal Trio's which also can go 2 way and 1 way as well. 😊

@@revelationsoundstudio that is very true, you made the right call man, ST6’s are really dope, I gotta get behind a pair again

@@veritas7010 I’ve had a great time wearing them for many hours on end, good posture is important with any listening devices but past that - no problems at all with weight here! Thanks for checking out this video 🙏

I did! Watch till the end 🙌🏽

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR yea i commented to early lmao 🤣 i watch all way to end oh well 😂🤣😂

@TrapBoiFuse561 😂😂😂 thanks for watching brother ! 🙏

I like using a sub with the scm 25s because the rolloff in the low end isn’t as fun to work on or as round as I like my subs and low end to be without it. But I am completely comfortable working on them without a sub as long as I have some extra reference pieces around to double check things down there! Have a look at the frequency response on the 25s as well and note the low end in particular. Something to keep in mind! Thanks for watching!

oh yes and to answer your question since I didn't answer properly - an ATC sub is the way to go. It sucks cause they are so expensive but otherwise - phasing can be a big problem. The Neumann 810 is too big for this monitors but works great as well - the DSP helps but I do still stand by the ATC subs for the ATC speakers. Hope this helps!

What DAC and monitors are you using?

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I used my Sony studio headphones. I would be able to tell better if I tested this in my car system. You still didn’t explain the difference, however, from my experience, I have to agree with you. DAW’s do sound different.

@@DanteWilliams728 As long as you can hear the difference that's what matters. I asked what DAC you are using because Protools is definitely not boxy - but gear can sound boxy. The degree to which you can hear and feel the difference will depend on your experience in different DAWs as well as the gear you're relying on. Although Sony MDRs and other headphones will most certainly allow you to hear a difference, using high quality headphone amps as well as quality DAC's will permit you to make personal and accurate judgement calls about which one is actually subjectively and objectively better for you. There are many variables when it comes to playback and though DAWs can play an important role, it is only ONE of the many variables at play. Feel free to link me to your work and I'd be happy to go over anything with you if you'd like an outside perspective on your setup and workflow. Any DAW can work well for anyone, it's all about knowing the weak points, picking your battles, making peace, and being consistent. Hope this helps and thanks for watching my video!

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR It helped a lot. Thank you. I have the Apogee Symphony for studio recording, but I’m about to get the Allen & Heath sq for live performance. I almost was going to purchase the Soundcraft Si Expansion, but I’m not sure about their phase alignment like the Allen & Heath. I’ll be releasing my music in 2025, I have to get my EIN first. I had some of my songs up on UA-cam, but they kept playing with my numbers with the views I was receiving, so I took all of my music down, people want me to put it back up, but I can wait. I record with Reason instead of using my ProTools, which is the latest version. I also like the sound of Logic. With my ProTools, I was using my Sonnox plugin’s, that’s very expensive. I also look at the reliability of the company and how they treat their customers. I spent over $2,000 for the Digi 002 when Digidesigm was with the company, when Avid took over, they didn’t update the drivers to ProTools. I also have a Universal Audio Volt, which is cheap, that works well with my Intel Mac and my M1X MacBook Pro. Continue to make great videos, as far as DAW’s, I think I prefer Logic over ProTools. I don’t have that one yet.

@@DanteWilliams728 thank you Dante! That all sounds great and I’m definitely a big supporter of logic as a one stop shop DAW! The new stem splitter feature is also very powerful and high quality. Makes for a great choice of DAW overall! Symphony is the most musical Analog to digital conversion on the market. The headphone amp is great in the mkII and seems similar in the symphony desktop, but I’d have to double check. If you are ever in the market for a playback DAC, I highly recommend you try out the RME ADI stuff. It’s second to none and the headphone amps are quite great in their products! Looking forward to your releases next year man, it’ll go great for sure 🙏

I think it all really is taste and preference based for sure. They all can work, just have to pick your battles and I’m definitely gonna go try Reason now for reference! Thanks for watching 🙏

Definitely, the peace of mind in knowing that everything will work no matter what happens is really important to me! Thanks for watching! 🙏

Facts!!! Rock on 🤘

Bro can you tell me how and where everyone get cracked plugins? I'm new in the game buddy it'll help me alot

@@believeinyourself3934 I’m not sure where to get cracked plug-ins, I just buy everything I need now sorry man!

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All of this was taken in into consideration well before capturing this test. I cover exactly how I made sure this test was done properly in many of the other comments and I’ve got another one coming up for all the nay sayers who couldn’t hear the difference in the first A/B test. Thanks for checking out the video!

This is awesome man, I love this story and development! We’re in this engineering game all together and supporting longevity and health is so important! Health is wealth and your studio looks awesome. Congrats on the success as engineer Evan and thanks for checking out this video! 🙏

The two screen recordings are of the exact same codec and sample rates. The null test you performed is the reason everyone is confused about this. I’m not talking about export nulling, I’m testing playback here. Thats also why I started the video with playback from both DAWs. If you can’t hear it or don’t want to hear it, this test or any true playback comparison tests (which there aren’t any on UA-cam at least) won’t help you anymore than just knowing the fact. I working for a DAW company and a plugin company, things I’m talking about are simply known in the upper echelons of the pro community but not a lot of people want to believe it in the general public. This was just a simple way of illustrating the point and was a fairly sound test, especially with regard to ableton playback the logic playback. I respect the desire for sharing truth you have and I appreciate you taking the time to comment as well as checking out this video. I have a really DAW test coming up very soon that will definitely help clear this up for those who can’t hear the difference/don’t want to hear the difference. Do you hear the different? 🙏 thanks agin

Ah right. Well I'm sorry to inform you that's not how live encoding works. Do yourself a favour and test your own testing methodology. Do two screen recordings of the same daw. They will not null. There is no way to test playback . UA-cam's own video conversion and compression will lossy re encode your lossy recording. Again you are introducing external variables. It's like trying to null after 3 generations of MP3 encoding. Never going to work or prove anything. Even if you could record the output of the Daws via actual live output you are only testing the wave interpolation of the signal via the audio interfaces driver , not the daw. As I said there is no way to truly test live playback of the daw unless you have access to a live digital backdoor before interpolation. Which unless you're a developer you won't. After that the only scientific way to test your results is to load the real output files into a randomiser and perform a double blind test to eliminate any influence of the mcgurk effect. That's literally all you can do to test this correctly. FyI I'm not the general public, I'm a professional engineer and musician, and avid audio scientist for over 15 years. My only income is music and sound.

@Bthelick they nulled though brother, just pulled it up this morning, give it a shot and lemme know what happens and we’ll on your end

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR did they? What screen recorder and codec was it?

@Bthelick OBS studio, lossless audio and screen recording

Try buying a DAC amp from SPL and check out the difference between the SSL amps and the SPL ones. Dedicated headphone amp/Dacs will change your mind on the EQ issues you may be experiencing. I have an SSL 2+ sitting in my interface drawer. Great interface for recording! Thank you for taking the time to comment and check out this video 🙏

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Yeah, I agree. SSL is my favorite 😎👍 A dac adds color, warmth or density but doesn' t really change the tuning. Manny Marroquin himself seems doesn't use it. I think that if you try to measure a headphone with and without a dac, you can't really see the difference

@@nicobluestream yes exactly! I agree with you! 🙏

Hell yeah! I’m glad you like them brother, enjoy!! 💪

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I'm using them in combination with Trio11's and it's probably the best combo you can get in a home studio. just nuts!

Definitely! Whatever works best for you is perfect no matter what anyone else’s experience is and regardless of the DAWs sounding different! Thanks for checking out this video 🙏

Why ???

Totally dependent on a few factors. Thankfully I’ve used both models of the ATC 25a’s and Neumann 310s as well as other monitors from both companies with practically every major or high end converter on the market. I can’t say that the 310s were a bad monitor but I can say that they are fantastic with the Neumann sub. That said, watch this WHOLE video before taking anyone’s else’s advice out there cause there are a lot of people who have less than enough experience to truly speak on this topic. Thanks for checking out this video and thanks everyone for keeping the audio community honest! 🙏

Please compare the genelec ones series 8351/61 or s360a or 1237 sam monitors, and you will see how the differences from other brands increase a lot.

What’s the point of what?

You made the right choice! Thanks for checking out this video 🙏

My pleasure bro 🙏

This is null when you run the same bit clip on all the files. Moreover, the files were lossless as well, I made sure everything was 16 bit and 44.1 in the softwares used to capture the playback audio. Thanks for checking out this video 🙏

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR I dont think thats correct.

This is a great point, the market has changed to much and it’s crazy how different the world is now! That said, iZotope grosses an estimated 11.9 million USD a year in revenue, one of many examples or a booming digital market. Plug-ins are worth buying and especially worth making/marketing! Thanks for watching 🙏

This is gold. You’re very very veryyyyyyy right about everything you said. Producers and engineers always love shiny new stuff and feeling limitless in their resources and tools, it’s really a toxic relationship that’s easy fall into with gear and software! Thanks for the comment and thanks for checking out this video 🙏

yeah your right but eventually karma steps in and will slap fools silly

I’ve worked for many years across three different industries. Highlighting not just all occupations but specifically entrepreneurs is extremely important because. Creative entrepreneurs need to protect their minds and bodies as unfortunately it’s about a lot more than money alone to them. That said, everyone’s health does matter - but during my time in music I haven’t heard it nearly as much as I had in finance and hospitality. Thanks for checking out this video!

I thought about this and would like to understand more about specifically DAW, core audio, ASIO, and how they all interact with DACs and interfaces on the software end. Please provide articles, reference, or resources with expertise in the area to provide some background and explanation - perhaps some proof of concept videos for me to watch and understand this part. Thank you!🙏

I completely agree, that’s exactly how I heard it too! In that test I was running Pro X but I’ve got 11 now and it sounds the exact same to me here! Thanks for watching 🙏

I totally feel that man, the ATC subs are so steep 😂 that burl prism combo is dope! I definitely will roll through with another video on future developments in the sub department, I actually had no idea ATC endorsed pro line, that’s super good to know thank you! I gotta grab some!! 🙏

And that is all the proof any of us should need! Trusting our ears is the most important thing we can do. Thanks for watching 🙏

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR you’re welcome.

Haha not yet, but hopefully one day! Thanks for watching 🙏

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR ayo any chance I can link you some songs to get feedback on?

@@NIHO_113 yeah man definitely! Send over any work to my email: raynegrand@gmail.com

As someone who lived multiple lives; one in finance, one in hospitality and one as a record producer and engineer - I’m most worried about the latter. 15 years in all three industries shows me creative people have problems that need a different kind of attention. Thank you for watching!

That’s the dream team right there. FL and protools together can create magic and have more than any other DAWs in the history of DAWs! Thanks for watching!

I completely agree. That’s exactly how I would describe them myself. Funny phenomenon with these DAWs! Thanks for checking out this video 🙏

The 420’s are definitely I a whole new league compared to the 310’s. Thats said, 750 sub brings the 310’s to a close enough level to the 420’s. I’m personally just a big fan or ATC monitors but the 420s are a great bang for your buck. In a perfect world, I might have a pair of monitors from both manufacturers in my studio. Thanks for watching!

Very curious as well, they have the same mid and tweeter but with different amps. They are an insane speaker and if the detail is there in the 310s the way it is in the 420s,, I highly doubt there is a better speaker in that price range. Good music is a magical experience on em and bad music is fucking torture.

My pleasure, thank you for checking out this video 🙏

This was a great idea! The only thing to note is that the change happens when the audio engine interacts with core audio or whichever drivers you are using in your computer. Audio Hijack bypasses that altogether and you’ll head a naked sound that would definitely phase cancel from what I understand of this situation. Also, you can use “InPhase” by waves to line up any audio in any DAW, that’s what I used unless it’s not reliable of course but I found it to be accurate! I’ve got a really intensive test coming up really soon where I get really crazy and go over every possible angle so that I can clear this up!

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR Ok cool! Didn’t know that. Looking forward to your test.

It was truly a crisis at my studio when Cubase, Ableton and Studio One were all not export the same file quality when I ran null tests and was so confused! They do put up clever barriers that are hard to notice until you really get into it but it definitely ruins the sound! Even worst, it’ll ruin the mix when the stems are all bounced out and with warped audio files. Thanks for checking out this video 🙏

Definitely, I do believe as well that it can play an important role across the board depending! Thank you 🙏!

Thanks for listening. I am an old 70's Australian engineer. I worked on Neve, MCI and SSL consoles (I even spent a week at the old Grateful Dead studios in Brady St SF). Your life with DAW's is complicated. Legacy systems had color but we knew it. My JBL and Tanny monitors had color and phase issues but we knew it. My first lexicon 224 which half replaced my Neuman plate was colored as but we new that as well. The producers engineers dont understand the complexity if digital. Analog was so easy.

@@evad_the_awesome9913 Wow, what an incredible background in analog! I’m jealous! I totally agree with this and I really appreciate that insight. Digital comes along with boat loads of smoke and mirrors and I look forward to being able to work on a great console full time one day 🙏

@@evad_the_awesome9913 oh yes! And most definitely! I will be testing reaper and posting that soon as well 🙏

This is completely true. Codec and playback engines make all the difference! Past that, it’s down to taste and what works best for you in your genre, style, workflow, and situation! Thanks for watching 🙏

I truly don’t understand how this has ever been up for debate myself! I’m coming through next week with a killer test to end all DAW tests to hopefully put ALL discussion of the topic to rest 😂 you are so right bro and there are so many variables in play when it comes to DAWs for sure! Thank you for checking out the video man 🙏

Thank you very much for subscribing! 🙏 As you probably know already, you’re definitely in really great hands with Amphion! They are a very powerful mix tool and I was wondering if you considering perhaps getting a second pair of monitors that are 2-ways or more production focused 3-way speakers to match them instead of going toward ATC so you can have the best of both worlds because I will agree that even with the MkII upgrade, the Amphions do give a taller sound stage and have great character for making decisions regarding color and saturation in the mix in my opinion. Keep me in the loop with where you land, thanks again and have a great week!

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR that is a great suggestion! And probably a great way to go about it. As a mostly work on film, tv and game music I’ve noticed my favourite composers are either using the ATC 25a’s or Quested monitors in their writing rooms, I’ve heard the questeds are very fun to work on, may try to hunt down a pair to hear. Thanks for your reply mate 🤘🏼 looking forward to your content in the future 😉

Unfortunately that doesn’t test the playback inside of each DAW, it just compares the export! All files were also capture through the same codec and audio capture so that is null. I understand how that is easily and often confused though. Thanks for watching! 🙏

I completely agree! 🙏

I’m right here 😂 will always support Ableton still, just wouldn’t recommend you mixed a indie folk band project in it!

@@RAYNETHESAVIOUR its workflow is amazing