The Street Photography Camera That Could Have Been

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  • Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
  • Lumix sent me the new Lumix S9 to test and review, they have no input in this video. Is the Lumix S9 a street photography camera, well that's what I want to explore here. When testing Lumix S9 street photography I found several unusual issues but also had some fun using the camera.
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    ⏰ Timestamps
    0:00 - The Design
    0:39 - Disclaimer
    1:09 - The Grip
    3:10 - The Doors
    5:00 - The Cold Shoe
    5:38 - The Dials
    7:00 - The Rolling Shutter
    9:36 - The LUTs
    10:43 - Another New Lumix Camera
    12:02 - Save $500
    13:23 - Save $1000
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  • @MikeC2K10
    @MikeC2K10 Місяць тому +67

    It's remarkable how may deal killers they managed to cram into such a compact camera.

  • @iggytse
    @iggytse Місяць тому +29

    This is the first honest review of the S9 I have seen. The camera doesn’t make logical sense unless you seriously discount the price to compensate for its shortcomings.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +5

      Yep if they made it modular to have an evf like the gx1 then I'd be more interested

    • @misterbigglesworth
      @misterbigglesworth Місяць тому +2

      Don't even get me started about the new manual focus toy pancake lens. Whoever decided to up charge $200 for that instead of just include it for free was off their rocker.

  • @waldnew
    @waldnew Місяць тому +100

    🎵🎶🎵All I want is the perfect camera🎶🎵🎶

  • @garryhenshaw4747
    @garryhenshaw4747 Місяць тому +37

    A proper, honest review of the S9 😮

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +2

      Hopefully more will come out soon!

    • @CallMeRabbitzUSVI
      @CallMeRabbitzUSVI Місяць тому +1

      ​@@GeorgeHolden It's refreshing to see this level of honesty, thought it was going the way of the dodo 😅

    • @cyb
      @cyb Місяць тому

      @@CallMeRabbitzUSVI its the difference of a mindset between influencers who have all these gears lying around vs this guy who used it along with his other cameras. Influencers seem to forget the concept of design philosophy where compromises need to make sense.

  • @CaptainJonathan
    @CaptainJonathan Місяць тому +28

    I should add, I'd love to see a new GX m43 camera with the new phase detect autofocus and a proper implementation of Auto ISO. Then it would be a no brainer for street photography.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +4

      Exactly!

    • @geedee3817
      @geedee3817 Місяць тому +2

      yes indeed. The Auto ISO on my GX8 wouldn't let me set a minimum SS.

    • @CaptainJonathan
      @CaptainJonathan Місяць тому

      @@geedee3817 I sold my GX8 because I couldn't use Auto ISO in manual with exposure comp, something my Nikon and Fuji both do. I just couldn't go back to manually setting ISO like I used to.

    • @martingreenberg870
      @martingreenberg870 Місяць тому +1

      Plus an audio jac. Please loose the tilting aspect of the EVF. Please keep the EVF. Weather sealing would be nice.
      Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)

    • @OnlyCitrus
      @OnlyCitrus Місяць тому

      I suspect there might be a G9ii version with S9 body.

  • @Pepsiphopia
    @Pepsiphopia Місяць тому +19

    This camera is perfect for SmallRig to sell grips

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +3

      The perfect accessory camera 😅

    • @Heart0rHead
      @Heart0rHead Місяць тому +1

      And an OVF for that cold shoe :D

  • @DaveHaynie
    @DaveHaynie Місяць тому +3

    There is, I suppose, a reason for the omission of a hot shoe on the S9: they didn't want you trying to use a flash! What's the sync speed on this all-electronic shutter? Maybe 1/25s... if it supported sync, which is does not.
    You don't need a mechanical shutter, but you need a faster electronic shutter. It's really the "roll" speed that matters. The roll speed of a pro-grade mechanical shutter is usually around 1/250s. There are a few non-stacked electronic shutters on M43 that roll at 1/60s or so -- not bad -- but unless you have a stacked sensor, you want a mechanical shutter option. Even the Olympus OM-1, with about a 1/125s electronic shutter roll, has a mechanical shutter. The Nikon Z9 got to 1/270s on the electronic shutter and could rightly leave off the mechanical shutter.

  • @fabscams4136
    @fabscams4136 Місяць тому +14

    It's terrible! It's wider than the Sony a7C, taller than the a7C, has no real hot shoe, no EVF, only an electrical shutter - it's ridiculous! The a7C is a little deeper in size but that's because it has a proper hand grip!

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      I owned the A7C for 3 years, was amazing

    • @cyb
      @cyb Місяць тому

      I looove how they literally made a fixed mf pancake lens just so they can say its as small as compact cameras... but loved it even more when they thought we should shell out 200usd for it 😅

    • @miba8303
      @miba8303 Місяць тому

      Yeah real 1700 bucks panacrap

  • @mainmain5303
    @mainmain5303 Місяць тому +14

    Finally a real review

  • @Leptospirosi
    @Leptospirosi Місяць тому +10

    Well everyone is asking for a GX9mkll (or a PenFll) but Panasonic is not listening. They are trolling us

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +4

      Surely GX10 is on the way, they must know it's a goldmine, probably cheaper than most their current developments and it'll have chunky margins

    • @frankfeng2701
      @frankfeng2701 Місяць тому +3

      Panasonic (camera) is a small department that can barely sustain the flagships of two product lines at a time, by using Sony sensors. That's why all their other products underdeliver.

  • @CaptainJonathan
    @CaptainJonathan Місяць тому +7

    I have yet to find the perfect camera. Mostly it seems camera companies get 85% of the way there, then really mess up the last 15%. Despite that, we can still make great images no matter the camera.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +4

      Definitely, although for me wanting to use the camera is important, and a camera I can comfortably use for hours at a time

    • @Photobuffeddy_AGS
      @Photobuffeddy_AGS Місяць тому +2

      I agree here as well ‘ even yes you’re iPhone 📲

    • @theBaron001
      @theBaron001 Місяць тому +1

      perfect cameras wouldn't make money. Every manufacturer could make the perfect camera, but they're in the business of making money. They want you to keep buying.

  • @king_jaypee9455
    @king_jaypee9455 Місяць тому +3

    Omg I wanted to buy this as I use a Lumix system but mft and I wanted a full frame I change my mind last minute and got a7iii I’m glad I did. After watching this review I believe you are the only honest man alive correct me if I’m wrong. You just earned a loyal subscriber today!! 9:00

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +2

      Excellent choice on the camera, a classic! And thanks I appreciate that!

  • @juliettemansour
    @juliettemansour Місяць тому +1

    LOVE this video George!!! I'm also onboard with that theory.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks! Yes I would love a surprise S8 by the end of the year

  • @reeshmalms6686
    @reeshmalms6686 Місяць тому +2

    I own a gx85 and its such a fun camera. The lack of weather sealing is such a shame. I really want to get out there in mansoon rains and capture some dynamic scenes from my coastal area from india but lack if weather sealing is not giving enough confidence.
    Yes, a gx10 with PDAF and weather sealing, a mic jack ,the lumix lab support will be an amazing everyday carry fun camera.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      That's fair! I can't remember does the gx9 have weather sealing?

    • @reeshmalms6686
      @reeshmalms6686 Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden i think that one do have it. But i couldn't find that one here in india. MFT system isn't that popular here. Most doesn't even know about this system. And finding more than kit lenses in used market is also hard.

  • @JonathanPace
    @JonathanPace Місяць тому

    One of your best videos so far bro! loved the wit here 🙌

  • @iansmith7271
    @iansmith7271 Місяць тому +2

    Then end of your video is exactly what I also want! I own a gx85/80 and sometimes want to just upload from camera to phone but the app is soooo bad went to Olympus and it became my main camera for street. But I look at my gx85 and sigh sometimes 😅

    • @Elisha_the_bald_headed_prophet
      @Elisha_the_bald_headed_prophet Місяць тому

      You can use a USB OTG SD card reader to transfer images more quickly than with the app. What Olympus did you upgrade to, and does it lack any feature that the GX80 has?

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      It feels like the most obvious product to make!

  • @davidcooper6704
    @davidcooper6704 Місяць тому +6

    Hand it over to Leica. They'll re-design the layout etc, rebrand it and charge 3 times as much for it.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +2

      I foresee this happening very soon 👀

    • @DavidMBanes
      @DavidMBanes Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden I'm thinking of just going with the LX100 III, sorry I mean Leica De Lux 8 as Panasonic don't seem to want to create a III themselves. Same money as the S9 for older tech but at least it has all the 'missing bits'.

    • @showdaKOs
      @showdaKOs Місяць тому

      3 times sounds a bit cheap for Leica. And Leica would want to appear as every thing but cheap!

    • @LillySchwartz
      @LillySchwartz 29 днів тому

      Actually I'm getting Leica CL mirrorless vibes from the S9 design wise, just that Leica was sensible enough to include a viewfinder, a mechanical shutter and a hotshoe.

  • @bensturrock1317
    @bensturrock1317 Місяць тому +2

    Just bought a GX80/GX85 a couple days ago, having zero regrets after watching this 😅

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +1

      Just been out with mine, what a great camera

    • @bensturrock1317
      @bensturrock1317 Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden will it replace the Olympus XA2 as my trusty small go-to, we will see 🤩

  • @pietro-viecelli
    @pietro-viecelli Місяць тому

    You summed up exactly all my thoughts about this camera!
    I too hope for a gx90 with that cool live LUT feature. One can hope 🤞

  • @Fourpads
    @Fourpads Місяць тому +3

    the cold shoe mount is insane these days

  • @thissidetowardscreen4553
    @thissidetowardscreen4553 Місяць тому +7

    Never have I seen a camera release that required people to dismiss short comings as quirks! "This camera is not for you!" another great phrase. I think Panasonic wanted to create another Fujix100V viral marketing event and just threw what they could into the camera all the while having a spread sheet calculating the cost. Each part force them to take something off, then realized that is really was not a pocketable camera and made up a lens cap lens. The price of this camera is just too high, drop it down to $1000.00 and maybe it would not have been such a shocker. I give Panasonic credit for the Sensor, the ibis and the focus. I did try the app it is nice, but I have far more questions on the " LUTS" downloading and is it going to be a pay to download store in the near future...LUTS are free now, but who knows in the future? How is that going to be regulated? Review was great!

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks! Agreed also the LUTs can be made by anyone which isn't the quality control of Fujifilm simulations

  • @icedcocoa01
    @icedcocoa01 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you for this video. While I'm currently very far from buying a brand new camera in the first place, the lumix s9 still lingers on me with many videos calling it 'best ""budget"" full frame camera' and the comment section almost always on fire with the 'expensivity' of it. I once ended up in the reply section crossfire and it killed my interest and passion a little in photography. One comment I will have very hard time to forget is "Bro, im 23 years old and this is sooooooo cheap compare to others. If you think that 1500 bucks is not affordable probably you are broke." (and I'm at the same age as that commenter!)
    I thought at least S9's body design looked pretty, but your reveal of its body materials shocked me. Seeing the thumb grip with no rubber felt tacky. Some review videos have shown the S9 having good IBIS, so I guess that's one thing..... until, as you mentioned, when you look through the catalogues and find much more powerful, easy to use, and convenient cameras in both photo and video - even just by under the Panasonic lineup.
    Not that I know a lot about cameras (and photography, and videography) in the first place, but the more I think about this camera, the more I don't get it. I don't know why it had to be 'budgety' to be something that combines both performance and compactness. If Panasonic threw in everything they got in S9 (with grip all over and evf+hot shoe as well!!) and put $5k-7k+ price tag "maybe" it would've been considered as a tech marvel and be highlighted again after years but... this S9 just feels like a toy rather than something as a camera.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +2

      True, I didn't cover Ibis in detail or the record limit or video in general but it is a good performer, for me any camera today is a good performer so the packaging really matters a lot

  • @edash360
    @edash360 Місяць тому +2

    Well i just bought a GM5 and I'm having sooooo much fun with it! (I know it's not really any good for video.)

  • @MikeRinz
    @MikeRinz Місяць тому +3

    Unbelievable! Really appreciate you being honest, lol! 😁

  • @TL-xw6fh
    @TL-xw6fh Місяць тому +4

    The S9 is a vanity project, pure and simple.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Interesting, how?

    • @TL-xw6fh
      @TL-xw6fh Місяць тому +3

      @@GeorgeHolden Panasonic produced the smallest M43 camera, the GM1. The engineers were tasked to produced the smallest FF camera as a challenge. Unfortunately, I suspect that this was a challenge too far. 15 min limit on video recording, for a camera pitched at UA-camrs????

    • @B9scrambler
      @B9scrambler Місяць тому +6

      It's also not even close to being the smallest full frame. S9 is neat, but too heavily compromised to be worth consideration.

    • @ComUnSas
      @ComUnSas Місяць тому +3

      The camera is aimed at relatively unsophisticated potential buyers who are impressed by a few headline features - full frame/ small/ pretty colour. The same market that would buy a phone because it 'has' 100+ megapixels, six lenses on the back and is really, really thin

  • @AdamAllen
    @AdamAllen Місяць тому +4

    Panasonic after seeing this video: "You're right, George! This .. ummm isn't the final product! We were just teasing for the REAL S9 coming soon! Yea that's it!"

  • @protonpillpopper1
    @protonpillpopper1 Місяць тому

    Wow. I'm gob smacked. Must have watched a dozen reviews of this camera and yours is the first that doesn't sugar coat all of the ludicrous omissions and short comings. Warms the heart to find a reviewer not willing to fellate a camera company in order to secure an all expenses paid trip to their next launch event.
    Camera companies take note. This man is potentially your greatest asset. If he tells me your camera is good I will actually believe him...unlike all the other shills that swallowed and didn't spill a drop in Japan.
    Subscribed.

  • @sandeepraiphotography2111
    @sandeepraiphotography2111 Місяць тому

    This camera reminds me of my Camp Snap cameras. Have you seen them? Pretty fun camera that I love and would recommend for fun.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +1

      I had one for a while but it wasn't great

    • @sandeepraiphotography2111
      @sandeepraiphotography2111 Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden I don’t think it’s meant to be great because it is made for kids actually. But it’s fun and one can’t be expecting it to be good esp at that price point. But at around 1500 quid or more most people have higher expectations.

  • @datalaforge
    @datalaforge Місяць тому +4

    This camera makes me want a Canon R8. It’s lighter, has great handling, and has a decent viewfinder.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +2

      You know I thought the same thing!

    • @datalaforge
      @datalaforge Місяць тому +2

      ​@@GeorgeHolden I played with one at a local camera store and it was surprisingly nice. My film camera also doesn't have ibis, nor a second card slot. Really, I just want Lumix to make a G100 but good. Proper optics in the viewfinder, good AF, updated colors. I'd buy the heck out of that thing and put the 15mm on there.

    • @datalaforge
      @datalaforge Місяць тому +1

      BTW, have you used the Sony ZV-1? I got it to have something just a bit better than my phone after selling my Lumix S5 about a year ago and this little camera is VERY capable. Plenty of compromises but I've taken some amazing pics with this thing and it's always with me in my pocketbook.

  • @ulfjonsson2122
    @ulfjonsson2122 21 день тому

    Nice video. I believe rolling shutter effect depends on horizontal vs vertical movement of the readout ( shutter ). Please correct me if I am wrong. Regards Ulf

  • @snappiness
    @snappiness Місяць тому

    The SD card placement 😂It's such a little thing but I 100% am with you on that. Great review 👍

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Bring back the bulky translucent cameras 🫡

  • @misterbigglesworth
    @misterbigglesworth Місяць тому

    Hey buddy. I see you're using the stock 12-32 lens. If you don't need a filter, I've discovered that the OM SYSTEM OLYMPUS LC-37C Black Lens Cap is compatible with it and has been a game changer for me.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      The lens came with the body I'll mainly be using the 20mm 1.7!

    • @misterbigglesworth
      @misterbigglesworth Місяць тому

      Yeah I usually keep my 7artisans 18mm pancake on, but the compact kit zoom is nice to fit in a hit pack if I'm out riding. The auto opening cap mechanism listed above is so satisfying and convenient. I also have the matching ultra compact 35-100. It punches way above it class and size.
      I really hope Panasonic releases and updated actually small micro4/3 soon with the new auto focus and newer sensor soon. My GX8 and GX85 are showing their age.

  • @flagger2020
    @flagger2020 Місяць тому

    I have a gx9, a fp & fpL. I'm good. In fact I use a S5 as a backup and it's really a good camera. If only pana had chopped the S5ii like Sony did with the a7cii/cr I'd have considered it..

  • @alifnor
    @alifnor Місяць тому +2

    Day 3399 waiting for the next Lumix GX . Great video!

  • @thepirateshoots
    @thepirateshoots Місяць тому +2

    You can see from the fancy body colors who this cam is made for. 🎉🎉🎉

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +4

      But Nikon ZF seems legit while also having fun colours

    • @ComUnSas
      @ComUnSas Місяць тому +4

      The official Panasonic S9 promotional video looks like an out-take from Zoolander

  • @SlotCarNewsOfficial
    @SlotCarNewsOfficial Місяць тому

    Actively a lack of basic necessities, that’s the best distillation of this camera I’ve heard

  • @TheCruisinCrew
    @TheCruisinCrew Місяць тому +2

    This camera baffled me when it was introduced... either this was a huge missed opportunity by Panasonic or a calculated, truly greedy move to skim some money from less knowledgeable aspiring "content creators" before expanding the line with some more sensible featured follow-up. Either way, I was very disappointed by this. What I really want from Panasonic is an updated GM5, m43, 4k, the new AF system and IBIS if possible... that would be my favorite EDC / travel camera!

  • @tenylegnincsevem
    @tenylegnincsevem Місяць тому

    the question is: will you ever get a test camera from them again. it's a full frame gx800, comparing it to the gx80 is not that good, because it aims for a different costumer probably.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      I don't mind if I never get another camera, I'd get my hands on it somehow 😂 and that is fair, I picked up the GX80 because I always wanted to try one

  • @coxbright
    @coxbright Місяць тому

    Are you going to offer any cheaper options to buy your presets? You have the free presets for signing up to your email list (which are great BTW!) and then the full membership but nothing in for all the people in between like me who don't have £35 to spend on Presets.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Hi I also have cheaper options in my store on my website, if you too to /store you can find them the 😊

    • @coxbright
      @coxbright Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden Oh great and thanks, I didn't see these before.

    • @coxbright
      @coxbright Місяць тому

      Also great video as usual!

    • @coxbright
      @coxbright Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden Ah what the heck. I wanted all the packs as they look like nice presets so subscribed to Mega Pic Skills with your discount code. Happy Friday and keep up the great work man!

  • @stub8213
    @stub8213 Місяць тому +1

    Yes a new GX camera would seem to be popular given the amount of people requesting it. I really love my GX80, which I’ve had for five years now, though I think it would be an interesting prospect to have a newer version with a bit more dynamic range which the newer sensors seem to have. I have looked at the GX9 though as it is discontinued I’d rather not buy a fairly expensive 2nd hand model when there is a small chance a new GX could appear with the 25mp sensor. So hopefully LUMIX will deliver, or I will just keep on going as I normally do 🙂

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      I see no problem with the GX80 but definitely an updated version would attract many more micro four thirds users

    • @Heart0rHead
      @Heart0rHead Місяць тому

      If you buy used then probably could sell it for the same price when the GX9 II comes out.

  • @PWingert1966
    @PWingert1966 10 днів тому

    I am still using my Canon SL1. I have yet to find anything better in its size and form factor without going mirrorless. I might consider moving up to the SL3. Sony's new ZV E-10 II had my current internist because of its larger battery. Its post production stabilization and crop is something I have to consider.

  • @armoredbaguette
    @armoredbaguette Місяць тому +1

    11:37 & 14:01 Bro, I lost it 🤣

  • @Heart0rHead
    @Heart0rHead Місяць тому

    The blue body should have a sensor made of blue pixels, then red and green body analogically ;) stack the photos from 3 bodies and you have a RGB image.

  • @jackbeltane
    @jackbeltane Місяць тому +1

    I agree, just save 1000 pounds and buy a 2nd camera. The 3 cameras I use the most are made between 2012 and 2016. My brand new 2023 purchase spends more time in the camera cupboard than it does outside.

  • @JJARCHIE
    @JJARCHIE Місяць тому

    Will be honest, this has everything i wanted since ive been using an a6400 for a while and kinda dislike a6700's type grip, just need a solid fhd and a 4k60 option with log and usable af

  • @garreswe
    @garreswe Місяць тому +1

    My S5II is a little annoying to carry around everywhere so I've been looking for a smaller camera for everyday carry. At first I thought the S9 would be the perfect camera but its flaws are too large for me to accept. If they made a S9II with a proper grip, a hot shoe, the right amount of buttons and a mechanical shutter I'd definitely buy it.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      That's fair! Do you mainly use the S5II for photo or video?

    • @garreswe
      @garreswe Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden 90% photo and the video has been pretty basic so far.

  • @DavidMBanes
    @DavidMBanes Місяць тому +1

    What I don't get is the marketing for sport activities, the girl on the skateboard for example, if it doesn't have a mechanical shutter. Am I misunderstanding something?

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +2

      The electronic shutter can cope with some fast motion but nothing crazy, skateboarding maybe at the right distance and speed

    • @Elisha_the_bald_headed_prophet
      @Elisha_the_bald_headed_prophet Місяць тому

      ​@@GeorgeHoldenmaybe they means sports light painting. BTW on the GX80 the electronic shutter is capped at 1s. Same on the S9?

    • @CallMeRabbitzUSVI
      @CallMeRabbitzUSVI Місяць тому

      ​​​@@GeorgeHoldenNope, I actually skateboard (Been skating since I was 13) and no, you need fast shutter speeds to catch someone doing a line. The S9 would do poorly in that situation

    • @DavidMBanes
      @DavidMBanes Місяць тому

      I've concluded that the S9 is for smart phone users. Like phones it has no EVF, no hotshoe and no mechanical shutter. I'm going to cancel my order, I'd have to sell my Fujifilm X-E4 to fund this purchase then I'd be without all of the above. It's a downgrade moving to the S9, despite being full frame.

  • @andresgonzalezcerda7635
    @andresgonzalezcerda7635 Годину тому

    Agree. The gx line has a superb ergonomics, and as far I know humans still has the same hands.
    Just better autofocus, the lut, a discount for dxo and please better app connection.

  • @Fadelz
    @Fadelz Місяць тому

    Seems like its trying to copy the Zve10???

  • @glennsak
    @glennsak Місяць тому +4

    The S9 seems to have everything - that nobody wanted.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +1

      Besides the marketing team 😅

  • @palaneproductions7357
    @palaneproductions7357 Місяць тому +1

    Pana borrowed Canons cripple hammer, its BRILLIANT,,,,Why release a body with some bells and whistles that people used to shooting with smart phones DONT need and WONT use? ...there are already Photography and Videography cameras for the Pro/highly enthusiastic people.A very smart move by Panasonic, I.ll wait till price drops and get a Red and a blue one...The only error I can see is NOT having the 18-40 pancake zoom ready at launch.Small rig also have a cage available!

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Unless you're super in the L mount I see no real reason to jump on it

    • @palaneproductions7357
      @palaneproductions7357 Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden Yes, George..some people cant grasp it.

  • @impossivel2006
    @impossivel2006 Місяць тому +5

    LUMIX Asinine. What a wonderfull name

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Impeccable naming

    • @impossivel2006
      @impossivel2006 Місяць тому +1

      @@GeorgeHolden "Does it sound funny to you" said no one ever at Panasonic

  • @deathdoor
    @deathdoor Місяць тому

    11:00 Its the GH7, right?

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Smaller please and cheaper please 😂

    • @deathdoor
      @deathdoor Місяць тому +2

      @@GeorgeHolden So, you want more, but paying less? Wait five years and buy second hand.

  • @Yahs232
    @Yahs232 19 годин тому

    The ultra wide clips are hilarious !

  • @cyb
    @cyb Місяць тому +1

    Oh but those are not shortcomings you just need to buy a wireless flash, dji mic, grip cage, ovf. Affiliate links in the description below. As for the recording limit just wait for a firmware upgrade. 😅 😅 😅

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +1

      😂😂😂

    • @TL-xw6fh
      @TL-xw6fh Місяць тому

      Wireless flash? How would you fire the flash, since there is no hot shoe on the camera?

    • @cyb
      @cyb Місяць тому

      @@TL-xw6fh i was going to say something clever like a usb c adapter but I looked it up and theres none 🥶

    • @TL-xw6fh
      @TL-xw6fh Місяць тому +1

      @@cyb 🤣Exactly! Completely useless, unless Panasonic realise the error of their ways and quickly update it with an S9ii.Unfortunately, even if it get a flash adapter, it's use is restricted by the electronic shutter! Perhaps that is the reason why you cannot use flash with this camera. How stupid.

    • @cyb
      @cyb Місяць тому

      @@TL-xw6fh i think the s9 is their zve1 so its a start of their prosumers line(but marketed and priced horribly). We stirred up so much drama that lumix will be a fool not to get the memo and hey im sure everyone wins after.

  • @spozitron
    @spozitron Місяць тому

    oh THIS was a fun watch!
    I mean if a camera is terrible to use, re: ergonomics, functionality, useability, any/all tactile enjoyment taking a photo with an actual camera... how exactly is this gonna draw their target audience away from just using a phone instead hahaha

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Yep, it's almost like the Fuji X100 was the perfect camera to copy but they got confused when reverse engineering the product

  • @adidabax6809
    @adidabax6809 Місяць тому +2

    And the biggest disappointment... they aren't selling the coolest color - Dark Silver - in my country!

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      That's a shame! Guess you can always paint it 😅

  • @brugj03
    @brugj03 Місяць тому

    I like the looks of the S9. If it ends up in the discount corner i grab one, just for fun.
    I think it`s worth not more than 900 bucks.

  • @kaischmidt730
    @kaischmidt730 Місяць тому

    On a cursory glance this looked like the perfect camera for me. It seems to be severely limited to the point of being useless, while being properly expensive.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      I think the price is unusual when you consider the other options available from other brands

  • @villegas24
    @villegas24 Місяць тому +4

    If this camera was under 1K EUR then it wouldn’t be such a failure. Finally an honest review, thank you.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      I think it would need to be 1100

  • @banboosy
    @banboosy Місяць тому

    Do you think the LUTs have the potential to be better than the Fuji recipes? Seems like a more "end game" solution with way more control. If they could add that to a MFT body...

  • @flickrmark
    @flickrmark Місяць тому

    At least it has a mechanical shutter.....oh wait......ok, well the "kit" lens then.....small, stylish, manual focus only? Well no more guessing about aperture choices with it : F8 and be there 👊

  • @nfabianpost
    @nfabianpost 3 дні тому

    On point and funny

  • @90sStarterJacket
    @90sStarterJacket Місяць тому +1

    Id rather just grab a small APS-C camera with a mechanical shutter. I wish my S5ii was smaller sometimes but the S9 isn’t worth it.

    • @CallMeRabbitzUSVI
      @CallMeRabbitzUSVI Місяць тому +1

      ZV-E10 was on sale at my local Best Buy for $550 recently. If I was in the market I would've surely scooped one up

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Agreed plus unless you need the latest video specs you can save even more of you're happy with 4k 8 bit which is enough for most people

  • @titomiguelmarques5512
    @titomiguelmarques5512 Місяць тому

    Finally a honest review of the s9 that shows the new releases are worse than existing models being sold cheaper on ebay. Just endless rebadging and cheaping out, tarded up by software changes sold as new functionalities.
    And that holds true for all brands.

  • @tomisham9900
    @tomisham9900 Місяць тому

    I agree with you and hope they come out with a better "S" camera,

  • @Paul_anderson_creative
    @Paul_anderson_creative Місяць тому

    This COULD be the S9 to a GX10....❤❤❤

  • @MostBever
    @MostBever Місяць тому

    I have a Lumix TZ-95 which uses the same thumb wheel and it honestly sucks. The wheel can get stuck if you use it for clicking the buttons.

  • @cLaunMH
    @cLaunMH Місяць тому +1

    S9EX as in Exorcism

  • @conchscooter
    @conchscooter Місяць тому

    No substitute for my GX80.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      I now have one plus the 20mm 1.7... I don't know how I lived without it

  • @CallMeRabbitzUSVI
    @CallMeRabbitzUSVI Місяць тому +1

    Uh oh, don't let Cam Mackey see this video. Its the best and funnest camera he has ever used.
    😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +2

      It must be the first camera he's used

    • @Iamtongue
      @Iamtongue Місяць тому +1

      😂😂😂

  • @MichaelGerrard
    @MichaelGerrard Місяць тому

    Yep, we need the GX9 II

  • @Iamtongue
    @Iamtongue Місяць тому +2

    But the influencers said it was great 😮😮😮😮

    • @CallMeRabbitzUSVI
      @CallMeRabbitzUSVI Місяць тому +1

      They won't lie to us for clout and a free all expenses paid trip would they 😮.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Sometimes we get over excited

    • @Iamtongue
      @Iamtongue Місяць тому

      @@CallMeRabbitzUSVI😂

    • @TL-xw6fh
      @TL-xw6fh Місяць тому +1

      "Micro Four Nerds" is a diehard Panasonic ambassador. She'll fawn over any Pana turd.

  • @DrWasim
    @DrWasim Місяць тому +1

    It’s still nice camera though 😊

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      In a few years it'll be a cult favourite I'm sure

  • @davidmccarthy6061
    @davidmccarthy6061 Місяць тому

    I would so love a refreshed GX model but from what I've seen there hasn't been new camera tech in a good five years. It's peaked and the R&D of all brands is dry. Now all they can do is move old features around and make "hybrid" still/video models that don't really benefit anyone. Seems like my GX85 is the last camera I'll ever have.

  • @mikelomd
    @mikelomd Місяць тому +1

    I think the main issue here is the price. It's too expensive for the lack of features.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Yeah if it was a bargain the conversation would be different

  • @Heart0rHead
    @Heart0rHead Місяць тому

    I just took a look at the L mount lenses and man they are all big. There is no single pancake or near pancake lens.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      2 pancakes announced at launch, one is a body cap pancake and the other is a zoom which isn't out yet

  • @pdcorlis
    @pdcorlis Місяць тому +1

    In 6 months everyone will have forgotten about this goofy thing. Even the “Creators” that got the free ride to Japan and cameras at no cost will have abandoned these half baked little fellers. Thanks for the honest review.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Bare in mind those creators don't get to keep the cameras, they borrow them for a short period

  • @skfineshriber
    @skfineshriber 6 днів тому

    I don’t really care that the S9 is not for me, I hope they sell a ton of them. But I would think a little larger camera with a shutter, which would allow for a flash and a hot shoe, then an added viewfinder, would have been much more popular. A FF GX9? Yes, please.

  • @moneyboys2010
    @moneyboys2010 22 дні тому

    As a hands on real world user of the S9 that is high impressed with it….. I don’t know where to contribute to this discussion. 😂
    Have to sit this one out.

  • @johnpouw3352
    @johnpouw3352 Місяць тому

    Agree with everything you had said. If it at least had an EVF it would seem to offer something, the compact full frame factor. Without the EVF I could never see a reason to buy this camera as a photographer. Maybe if I did a lot of video, but even then, nothing really makes sense. Frankly I think this is a crap camera and will either sell very badly at launch, or sell moderately but then result in an influx of them on the second hand market within a month. :)

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Yeah I think the second hand price will make much more sense to some people

  • @joestrahl6980
    @joestrahl6980 Місяць тому

    The s9 body ismarginally bigger thn my gx9. So my hope is that in the same way tht the s5ii and g9ii are essentially the sane body that lumixwill release mftbdaf sensor camera in the s9 bodyt btr with evf; hotshoe and micrphobone in jack headphobe out jaxk sort of lkke a gx8 but a pdad versio bu wirh the bvetter connectivity via cellphinobnes to the internet etc.

  • @Photobuffeddy_AGS
    @Photobuffeddy_AGS Місяць тому +1

    Their is no perfect camera ‘ ah ‘ plus when you buy gear endless it’s Leica ‘ use loose full price the gear ,35 % of the cost down . I’d rather save fr used or like new Leica M . 😅

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +1

      One day I'll spend an unreasonable amount of money on a Leica 😂

  • @PLANETWATERMELON
    @PLANETWATERMELON 11 днів тому

    I actually went with a GX85 instead of the s9 and not just because of the price. There is no good lenses for the s9 either. They either suck or they are too big and heavy.

  • @babettesfeast6347
    @babettesfeast6347 Місяць тому +1

    Just use the camera you have, learn and love how to use it. Cameras don’t take great photos it’s the eye behind the lens.

  • @daysofgrace2934
    @daysofgrace2934 28 днів тому

    Just stick to Oly E-M10 with ECG1 grip...

  • @jim_bocho
    @jim_bocho Місяць тому

    It's annoying how good this could've been.

  • @cityproofdad
    @cityproofdad Місяць тому +1

    it looks as good as g100 a bit plasticy and cheap i cant wait when OM system makes ZF killer

  • @ubacow7109
    @ubacow7109 Місяць тому

    I dont think its necessarily a bad camera but its not really what we as consumer collectively wanted. I think everoyne eas excited for a new GX camera but they delivered this instead. If they had held off on this release and let the GX drop first then this probably would have met warmer reception.

  • @jupiterman7
    @jupiterman7 Місяць тому

    I really like Panasonic cameras but this camera is definitely a head scratcher... Kind of like their G100 mft camera geared at content creators that has no ibis and very limited record times... Dear Panasonic we want our small cameras to be as versatile as possible with great pdaf autofocus please!!!

  • @PLANETWATERMELON
    @PLANETWATERMELON 11 днів тому

    I hate to say it, but as someone who has had the Sony a7c. It’s like Panasonic said lets copy the Sony a7c, but do everything in a worse way.

  • @dylanstaples4130
    @dylanstaples4130 Місяць тому

    Super valid points all around, I think my one big wish for this camera (hopefully in a future s9ii) would be for it to have a view finder.
    But I do think all the criticism of the s9 is misplaced, this isn't a camera for us photography nerds. This is a camera for people looking for a better camera than their smart phone to take pictures and videos. Its a camera that's competing with the super popular fuji x100vi they are both small more approachable cameras for the casual shooter.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +1

      I've actually attached an OVF, excited to share this week 😂

  • @frankfeng2701
    @frankfeng2701 Місяць тому +1

    It's hard to make a product that frustrates different groups of users at the same time, but Panasonic did.

  • @erichstocker8358
    @erichstocker8358 Місяць тому

    Also no EVF option even Sigma did this.

  • @GrainOnTheGo
    @GrainOnTheGo Місяць тому +1

    This camera really just feels like a significantly worse S5ii/X… at which point just get an S5ii/X. Such a strange choice by LUMIX. EVF would’ve been amazing… shame it doesn’t have one.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      I've been trying some accessories to make it better, let's see

    • @GrainOnTheGo
      @GrainOnTheGo Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden I’m waiting for an S1 refresh or in about two years for LUMIX to drop an S9ii that knows what it actually needs to be a competitive option. Till then my S5ii isn’t a bad option. It’s a wonderful camera.

  • @DA-lp4rh
    @DA-lp4rh Місяць тому

    Lumix fan - owner of three bodies ...that said if the s9 were water proof and the f8 fixed lens was welded to the body, it wouldn't even be a good action camera.

  • @OnlyCitrus
    @OnlyCitrus Місяць тому

    excluding Mech Shutter was a huge L

  • @video-carl
    @video-carl Місяць тому

    486g weight is a key feature of the S9

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому +3

      You'd be surprised how heavy it feels when there's no grip, I'd prefer an extra 50-100g with some nice grip to support it

    • @video-carl
      @video-carl Місяць тому

      @@GeorgeHolden the GX9 also feels heavy for is 450g and I've also added a grip which adds about 10% but improves the handling by about 50% :)

  • @eagleeyephoto8715
    @eagleeyephoto8715 Місяць тому

    There is nothing unusual about hot shoe…it is engineering choice because flash interface is kind pf useles on a camera without any sort of mechanical shutter. Only flaw there is not having external EVF connection , but since camera is not made for photography nobody would care.

  • @georgemahlum6542
    @georgemahlum6542 Місяць тому

    I'm not a video content maker...but...I would never buy the S9....No mech shutter...no hot shoe...15min limited video...wheel controls just wrong....no way to get away from rolling shutter...Price to high.....By the way... the Canon RP is used by many and works perfectly for still photography...plus its used price is cheap...Plus great lenses both EF and R ...plus... Most folks love Canon colors...even SOOC...I use a pair of Sony A7c bodies right now...and an even older A7s. (low light king)....but a pair of Canon RP bodies work out just fine.as well....Cheers
    Anyway...Panasonic should just continue the GX series for m43 ...in particular the GX9 for us still photogs...But Alas not.

    • @GeorgeHolden
      @GeorgeHolden  Місяць тому

      Maybe one day a new GX but maybe never