Are Reiksguard Any Good in Patch 5.0? - Empire Unit Focus
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- It was time to address the Reiksguard and their new late game buff - Devastating Flanker. They're good, but they're still "mid-tier" cavalry and especially strong with Franz. It's a matter of using them at what they're good for and not expecting them to be what they are not.
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Total War Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires, Thrones of Decay DLC Patch 5.0!
You forgot their bonus damage against Window Tax Protestor.
That has to be a reference I'm just not getting ^^;
Gotten and Felix adventure in lore starts because of that windows tax. @OffToBattle
^^^ gotrek met Felix in altdorf during the “window tax riots”. Some reiksguard were going to trample and kill Felix, but gotrek stepped in and killed several knights before the pair made a hasty retreat. I believe that knight is when gotrek and Felix went to a tavern and in a drunken state, Felix swore his oath as rememberer
@@MAGS-ik5uj Somehow, I very randomly heard that window taxes are a thing in real life... hence a lack of windows for a lot of low income European housing...
Definitely worth grabbing 2 in Franz's army with his reworked traits and the new chapter house effect for them. Antilarge plus devastating flanker practically makes a tier 5 unit.
Almost. It's only the fact they're not dedicated armor-piercing that holds 'em back at that point. And that doesn't always matter either.
The one thing I’ve always been surprised about for the reichsguard is that they don’t have devastating flanker in multiplayer because I think that would really help them be picked more frequently in multiplayer than the standard Empire knight because honestly all they are right now is a knight with more fancy armor. If people say oh no what would the knights of the blazing Sun be if they’re gonna take that away, when they’re basically the magic damage version of it being more geared towards undead and regenerating units. Not to mention the buffs they can get from a bright wizard.
I don't think CA ever considered giving them that in multiplayer, the Charge Bonus is base 62 so that'd be 124 instantly? Without being a Slaanesh unit? It's practically a consolation prize for Karl because he doesn't get Amethyst units, one he needed, same like the Blazing Sun rework, but I guess they just have no way to translate that into multi at all. As a campaign main I'll just accept it....
Also, I made an early stack of reiksguard at the start of the game, holy jesus, got the livery going and got Bruckner -very- early, also got lucky and got a bunch of brass cleavers, glittering scales and debuff gear along with a metal wizard for +15 armor that made them absolutely shred. Had Karl and an empire captain leading two groups of knights doing mobile hammer and anvil, jfc it was brutal.
I tried using a Gold Wizard as a Steal Technology guy.. it... didn't go well haha... need to try them in battle and do a video
I tend to, nowadays, grab two Knights of the Black Rose and then another two heavy hitting cav units that can take advantage of the KotBR tying up enemy cavalry. So this can mean regular Outriders (who do work against cav and large units) getting around and blasting foes or Knights of the Blazing Sun, who can cycle charge with some micro. I have also used Chapter House Tier 4 Reiksguard for this same heavy hitter role, and they're pretty good at it. One really could, theoretically, have a very mobile army with KotBR as a mobile anvil and other knights/outriders as the hammer, but... I like my infantry. I find cavalry is best as a supplement... but Reiksgard are definitely worth investing in now.
It's always a good idea to have good anvils - and then get the best out of your cavalry playing off them.
I just can't make myself recruit reiksguard when it needs a different building than demis and the alternative in the tier is decent
@@milansvancara Mm? It doesn't now? Demis are recruited from Tier IV of the same building chain, Reiksguard at Tier III, which I think is a very positive change. Of course that's w/o the Devastating Flanker thing but that's a one-time building in Altdorf.
@@OffToBattle Damn you are correct, how did I miss that
@@milansvancara They changed a lot with this patch.
Greenskin, skaven, undead and norska are good target. I managed to destroy a unit of wolfkin with a frontal charge just because they were charging downhill. Not bad at all.
That being said I use them just to have a themed army.
Nothing wrong with some themed armies either.
I always find it rather funny that cavalry lance in real life is technically an anti armor weapon, but they don't reflect that in this game, though.
Yeaaaaah that's an old criticism ^_^ I'm with you, but this was their original balance back for TWW1 and extremely obviously trying to clear the path for Demigryphs to own the late game role.
I will have to make another Franz campaign with a focus on cavalry. This sounds very nice.
They're great, but you still want your basic buildings to crank a Captain or two out and stuff.
What shocks me the most about this unit is that they don't have silver shields even though this is the emperor's personal standing army you would think they would be given the best gear money could buy but I guess the current Emperor likes to be cheap.
Silver grade shields are usually granted for the physical coverage provided. (Goblins used to have them but CA decided that was too much, but relative to their size...) That's why Tomb Kings shields have it, but those units also have low armor generally. Reiksguard are supposed to depend on the really heavy armor.
Do Questing Knights & other Bretonnian cav!
I'll try a closer look at 'em.
Hay can you do demigriffen knight next
I don't have a video for 5.0 for them so I'm really thinking about it.. people seem to have forgotten they're still really strong.
They used to be so slow
Yes, I remember that era....
I always found it weird that a unit that's supposedly the elite of the elite could be so shitty
I'm not going to pretend that's a rare take. But I like them.
I think that their MD should be better than 31- they have to have more than basic Empire Knight- 34-36 IMHO. Their campaign buffs give them a ton of utility- with anti-large bonus they can probably challenge Boar Boy anti-large cavalry. And Devastating Flanker just makes them ridiculous. Do they really struggle against Chaos Warriors, even with Charge Bonus of 226? I would think that at least for the first few seconds they would severely damage Chaos Warriors.
Basic Empire Knight starts at 30. And it's not that they struggle against Chaos Knights IF they can get that charge off, it's that the charge has limitations - it has to be flank or back to be at full effectiveness - and there's a tendency to drown in chaff. But, you fight against that best you can, and Devastating Flanker's bonus has the potential to help them rise above. Tricky, but absolutely possible.
Just in that case Demigryphs are more reliable. Something a lot of people shirk and that's fine, Empire has lots of ways to play it.
Demigryphs are far more reliable against armor. In general, and I should have made this point earlier, Reiksguard are in a weird place. They are a shock cavalry, but Knights of the Blazing Sun are better at the job, generally. They don't have the stats to be a consistent Melee cavalry- Knights of the Black Rose got that covered. Reiksguard wind up doing a little bit of both jobs, not really excelling at either. I would give them baseline +10 bonus vs Large. This would give them more utility against mid-tier cavalry and clarify their role on the roster. They would become similar to Bretonnian Kinghts of the Realm.
Finally- sorry about Empire Knight MD- you are absolutely right, but it still feels weird, that a higher tier unit has such a marginal advantage in MD.
Now I’m wondering where the demigrifs knights stand with the buffs the Empire was given in TOD.
Better than people appreciate, is my observation. I tried all the other options because UA-camr Research (TM), but I missed my Demis, they rock. If using together, I'd want Demis to take favorable front charges against tough targets, circle Reiksguard around the rear...
Your saying you would make them the veritable punch through anything that isn't a single entity unit?
@@Wanderer-nw2so Demigryphs can do that... but they're also a preferred enemy target, so you have to have your Casualty Replenishment bases covered and all that. I think in a healthy late game army you have at least one unit of Demis to help with jobs other cavalry types can't deal with. For most people that's the anti-large anti-cav job, but the regular version makes Chaos Warriors melt a lot faster than Black Rose ones ever would. Still plenty of enemies the sexy knights can trample!
@@OffToBattle Are you going to go over Demis in 5.0?
They didn't have armor piercing damage. That's why I think as a cavalry, reikguards are falling behind.
That's always been their limitation in the Total War games.
Glad that you included thier buffs and in my opinion despite now we have knights of the black rose 🌹 , in my opinion their still worth picking up especially as playing karl franz
They are, absolutely. It's just there's no way to fit in everything you want until you're sporting lots of armies and really taking your conflicts global... but you do eventually reach that point.