What about this sinking makes it a timebomb that nearly changed the war? The Ohka was a wasted effort, as was the Unryu herself. Nothing about this story came even close to changing WW2.
Also, of what use is an aircraft carrier which has obsolete aircraft with untrained aircrew? No use except as bait. See the Battle of Leyte, in particular the decoy fleet which, despite intelligence reports that it was a decoy, still suckered Admiral Halsey into chasing after it, with nearly catastrophic consequences to the Taffey fleet and its transports.
US Navy WW2 did not have armored flight decks. Nor did Japanese carriers. British fleet carriers were the only navy WW2 carriers with armored flight decks
The Taiho had an armored flight deck and sealed hangers. This was a very costly carrier for the Japanese due to how much steel it used. The armored deck and sides also contributed to its loss, on its first sortie, at the battle of the Philippine Sea.
@@mattp6953The US Essex, and Yorktowns carried their steel lightly armored strength deck as the hangar deck. The flight decks were lightweight wood. This kept the vast amounts of weight lower in the ship, permitting larger flight decks and air wings. The Lexingtons had a similar arrangement as their hangar deck had been the planned Battlecruiser main deck. The Midway’s were the first steel flight decks of the US. They weren’t really armored per Se. They were just intended for heavier aircraft and jet operation.
@@mattp6953 Essex class did not have armored flight decks. He's right, British carriers had armored flight deck during WW2. Americans armored the hangar deck to lower the center of gravity and tonnage, and increase hangar capacity. There's a reason Essex class could hold around a hundred planes in her hangar and British hangars could hold 50 or 60: Armored flight decks and the structure to support them.
@@Happy11807 True, but as for the deck not being armored and using wood, teak I think, was it made getting the takeoff/landing deck back into service faster than cutting and welding metal plate.
Interestingly, when the Japanese lost 5 aircraft carriers in two major battles, they converted the third Yamato battleship, Shinano, into the world's first supercarrier with an armored flight deck. Had the Japanese finished fitting her out with watertight hatches and doors, she might have survived the attack by Archerfish.
Shinano was planned to be a battleship but was converted into an aircraft carrier (as clearly shown in the picture). And the US did not use armored flight decks until the midway-class in 1945. I find this video to have quite a lot of pretty basic errors so far.
I'm getting really disappointed with the Dark5 and related channels. They used to be good but are increasingly relying on outright fake clickbait titles that have nothing to do with the actual topic.
The British carriers had armored flight decks. US carriers had wooden flight decks w/no armor. The hanger decks were armored. The US used wooden flight decks instead of armored decks 4 several reasons: 1. Lower center of gravity, 2. Increased aircraft load, & 3. It was faster & easier 2 repair a wooden flight deck in order 2 get back in the action while still @ sea w/o leaving the battle area. Whereas carriers w/armored flight decks, often had 2 leave the battle area & return 2 port in order 2 get repaired (depending on what part of the flight deck was hit, & how bad the damage was) b4 it could return 2 the battle fleet.
@@jimdavison4077 semantics. The Yorktown and Essex class had armor under the wooden deck but not enough. None of the deck armor was proof against AP bombs but the extra 1.5" on the Illustrious class helped significantly against kamikaze attacks.
As far as I was aware only midway had an armoured deck. All American carriers after 1945 did. But the British carriers had armoured decks. The Americans and the Japanese followed after. Japan had 2 or 3 with armoured decks. But I can only find midway that did for the US.
Thank god Dark Seas put that big red arrow pointing to the sunkend ship in the thumbnail! I would have never seen it if it weren't for that! thank you!! 😂
Clickbait title! And a number of glaring errors, like referring to the 'battleship Shinano'!. Laid down as a Yamato class but completed as a support carrier. Severely reduced my respect for this channel.
I guess 14 aircraft carriers would have made a difference, but Hapan didn't have the resources. The 'timebomb' was sending out a carrier filled with kamikaze machines.
At about 2:50 you say that the japanese carriers lacked the armored decks of the american carriers....uh the american carriers didn't have armored decks, they had wooden decks, it was the British carriers that had metal decks, which is why the kamakazi attacks did so little damage to them while they were devastating to the american carriers.
Clickbait title. Neither this ship nor its cargo could have in any way changed the outcome of WWII. Also the name Unryū is generally translated as 'Cloud Dragon' not 'Heavenward Bound Dragon'. Shinano was built as a carrier. She may have been laid down as a battleship but the conversion began early in her construction. And why at 3:20 do we see the German Panzerschiff Graf Spee sinking off Uraguay in 1939, 5 years before the events of this video? Is there some hidden relevance or do you just have no idea what you are looking at?
In what way could three Ohkas change the course of the war? Also American carriers did not have armoured flight decks due to a decision to leave them unarmoured in order to increase their flight complement.
It was being used as a transport with a few aircraft, probably consumed the last of Japan's ship building resources. The probably could have used a half dozen transport ships instead, the aircraft had limited value against subs or US fleet units.
Oka's were nothing more than glorified kamakazi planes. They would have suffered the same fate as their ineffective predecessor. Kamakazi were scary but not really a game changer.
Now did the sub launch 6 or four torpedoes first. He said it launched 6 at first. Pretty sure US subs only had 4 tubes forward and two aft. Am I wrong here or no. I’d like to know. Confused
@@danielgemmell3340 I just checked that and Wikipedia says you are right. The U.S. changed to the same design type as the British starting with the Forrestal class of carriers. Not originally having armored decks seems pretty dumb.
To misquote SunTzu, wars are won and lost even before they are fought. Japan traitorously took America by surprise, but overestimated themselves and underestimated America. Like Yamamoto said: "the only thing we have accomplished is to wake a sleeping giant."
What about this sinking makes it a timebomb that nearly changed the war? The Ohka was a wasted effort, as was the Unryu herself. Nothing about this story came even close to changing WW2.
Agreed, even if they were fast, that was a huge fleet with lots of escorts and protected by carriers as well, they couldn't have gotten close.
Seems everyone is lowering themselves to using clickbait titles
Also, of what use is an aircraft carrier which has obsolete aircraft with untrained aircrew? No use except as bait. See the Battle of Leyte, in particular the decoy fleet which, despite intelligence reports that it was a decoy, still suckered Admiral Halsey into chasing after it, with nearly catastrophic consequences to the Taffey fleet and its transports.
@@johnbuchman4854where’s TAFFY 3?
Thanks for saving me 16 minutes
US Navy WW2 did not have armored flight decks. Nor did Japanese carriers. British fleet carriers were the only navy WW2 carriers with armored flight decks
Yes first commissioned US Armoured carrier was USS Midway which commissioned Sept.30 1945.
Not true. Fleet carriers the Yorktown and Essex class did. Just not as heavy as the British. Escort carriers were unarmored.
The Taiho had an armored flight deck and sealed hangers. This was a very costly carrier for the Japanese due to how much steel it used. The armored deck and sides also contributed to its loss, on its first sortie, at the battle of the Philippine Sea.
@@mattp6953The US Essex, and Yorktowns carried their steel lightly armored strength deck as the hangar deck. The flight decks were lightweight wood. This kept the vast amounts of weight lower in the ship, permitting larger flight decks and air wings. The Lexingtons had a similar arrangement as their hangar deck had been the planned Battlecruiser main deck. The Midway’s were the first steel flight decks of the US. They weren’t really armored per Se. They were just intended for heavier aircraft and jet operation.
@@mattp6953 Essex class did not have armored flight decks. He's right, British carriers had armored flight deck during WW2. Americans armored the hangar deck to lower the center of gravity and tonnage, and increase hangar capacity. There's a reason Essex class could hold around a hundred planes in her hangar and British hangars could hold 50 or 60: Armored flight decks and the structure to support them.
The USN only had armored deck with Midway Class carriers. They only joined the the Fleet after the end of WW2.
Yeah - the Brits used armoured decks, but the US during WW2 did not. Threw me too.
My thoughts as well, the RN on the other hand did have fully armoured decks which meant they survived hamikazi attacks for better.
Armored decks kind of useless against torpedoes!
@@Happy11807 True, but as for the deck not being armored and using wood, teak I think, was it made getting the takeoff/landing deck back into service faster than cutting and welding metal plate.
Clickbait title.
As usual from this channel.
It was the British aircraft carriers that had armoured flight decks.
Interestingly, when the Japanese lost 5 aircraft carriers in two major battles, they converted the third Yamato battleship, Shinano, into the world's first supercarrier with an armored flight deck. Had the Japanese finished fitting her out with watertight hatches and doors, she might have survived the attack by Archerfish.
Godzilla was their secret weapon.😂
I used to watch your product WITHOUT THE CLICK BAIT titles.It’s a shame you feel this is necessary.
Shinano was planned to be a battleship but was converted into an aircraft carrier (as clearly shown in the picture). And the US did not use armored flight decks until the midway-class in 1945. I find this video to have quite a lot of pretty basic errors so far.
It's par for the course with this channel . . .
Funny enough, in an earlier video, the battleship Missouri was labeled an aircraft carrier
Did I miss the part about the "sunken time bomb"?
So many inaccuracies, I don't know why I watch.
Yeah its completely garbage as far as history and rambling mumbo jumbo
@@jamesherndon4278 Thank you - I'm glad it's not just me.
I'm getting really disappointed with the Dark5 and related channels. They used to be good but are increasingly relying on outright fake clickbait titles that have nothing to do with the actual topic.
American carriers had wooden decks and weren’t armoured. British carriers were.
Kinda correct. American flight decks weren’t armored but did have some steel plating under the wood decks but ya might as well be no armor
So what, they didn’t matter as they weren’t there!
By that time, Japan needed more skilled pilots, not another aircraft carrier.
Well they were smarter muh more it took them 10 years to train compared to our 6 months
And fly from the mainland? That made sense.
Wasn't it the British who had armored decks tho?
Essex class had almost 3" of deck armor. Escort carriers did not. Yorktown I think had 2"
British used armored flight decks to be able to absorb more punishment and stay alive especially in the Mediterranean
The British carriers had armored flight decks. US carriers had wooden flight decks w/no armor. The hanger decks were armored.
The US used wooden flight decks instead of armored decks 4 several reasons:
1. Lower center of gravity,
2. Increased aircraft load, &
3. It was faster & easier 2 repair a wooden flight deck in order 2 get back in the action while still @ sea w/o leaving the battle area. Whereas carriers w/armored flight decks, often had 2 leave the battle area & return 2 port in order 2 get repaired (depending on what part of the flight deck was hit, & how bad the damage was) b4 it could return 2 the battle fleet.
Yes, a lesson the US learnt from the British along with many other carrier features. The US would have no armoured flight decks until post WW2.
@@jimdavison4077 semantics. The Yorktown and Essex class had armor under the wooden deck but not enough. None of the deck armor was proof against AP bombs but the extra 1.5" on the Illustrious class helped significantly against kamikaze attacks.
As far as I was aware only midway had an armoured deck. All American carriers after 1945 did. But the British carriers had armoured decks. The Americans and the Japanese followed after. Japan had 2 or 3 with armoured decks. But I can only find midway that did for the US.
I've had a quick check Taiho and Shinano were built with armoured flight decks. Midway the only one for America.
Thank god Dark Seas put that big red arrow pointing to the sunkend ship in the thumbnail! I would have never seen it if it weren't for that! thank you!!
😂
Clickbait title! And a number of glaring errors, like referring to the 'battleship Shinano'!. Laid down as a Yamato class but completed as a support carrier. Severely reduced my respect for this channel.
No subs no content .like your own opinions but failed to take part in utube .so who cares for your feeling .your a troll .
Why show the Graf spee ?
Had nothing to do with …
Never mind …
Among your most potent posts of WWII history, DS.
And exactly what would’ve changed the outcome of the war? CLICKBAIT.
The tsunami out of Japanese contral lol
I guess 14 aircraft carriers would have made a difference, but Hapan didn't have the resources.
The 'timebomb' was sending out a carrier filled with kamikaze machines.
@3:20, I do believe that's the Graf Spee.
Typical DarkSeas...over hype with a clickbait title then use all sorts of clips unrelated to the topic.
Yep, thought so myself. At about the 3:20 mark.
Yes, the IJN's pocket battleship😂
Even though this was a bit of clickbait, one thing is for sure that vessel sure makes a nice coral reef 😂
At about 2:50 you say that the japanese carriers lacked the armored decks of the american carriers....uh the american carriers didn't have armored decks, they had wooden decks, it was the British carriers that had metal decks, which is why the kamakazi attacks did so little damage to them while they were devastating to the american carriers.
The US carriers in WWII did not have armored flight decks. The British had armoured flight decks.
Clickbait title. Neither this ship nor its cargo could have in any way changed the outcome of WWII. Also the name Unryū is generally translated as 'Cloud Dragon' not 'Heavenward Bound Dragon'.
Shinano was built as a carrier. She may have been laid down as a battleship but the conversion began early in her construction.
And why at 3:20 do we see the German Panzerschiff Graf Spee sinking off Uraguay in 1939, 5 years before the events of this video? Is there some hidden relevance or do you just have no idea what you are looking at?
the closes the us navy got to a armoured deck was USS Robin (HMS Victorious)
US carriers did not have armoured decks UK carriers did
did that time bomb explode when it sank?
@1:18-Does anyone else see the child’s doll sitting on the right side, atop the torpedo tube?
2:35 Can someone tell me, US carriers Armored decks? I though only British Carriers had armored decks.
Yep. The US carriers did not have armoured decks. Taigo had an armoured deck, but was sunk by submarine, somewhat ironically
Only the Royal Navy had armoured flight decks on there Aircraft carriers.
I'm gonna mark this channel with "do not recommend". I'm tired of click bait titles.
2:40 USN carriers did not have armoured flight decks. What decks are you referring to?
“Lacking the armoured decks of their American counterparts” - British maybe, American not so much!
In what way could three Ohkas change the course of the war? Also American carriers did not have armoured flight decks due to a decision to leave them unarmoured in order to increase their flight complement.
American carriers didn't have armored flight decks
The british aircraft carriers used metal flight deck as wood would burn like the americans found out when hit by kamazarzi planes
Interesting that when talking about the decimation of the Japanese destroyers needed for escorts we get an image of the Graf Spee?
American carriers did not have armored flight decks. The British carriers hard them but not American.
Shinano was started as a battleship but completed and sunk as an aircraft carrier.
So after about the. Minutes now what was the secret weapon
At the 6:03 , were flying kamakese manned bombs
The time bomb that was sunk was the German sub that was captured in route to Japan. On it was the remains of the German atomic bomb program.
It was being used as a transport with a few aircraft, probably consumed the last of Japan's ship building resources. The probably could have used a half dozen transport ships instead, the aircraft had limited value against subs or US fleet units.
very interesting and informative
The secret weapon they carried was the jet/rocket powered kamikaze plane. Possibly prototype.
Oka's were nothing more than glorified kamakazi planes. They would have suffered the same fate as their ineffective predecessor. Kamakazi were scary but not really a game changer.
This channel has sunk.
So...what is the awaiting time bomb?
always quality, thanks !
Solid idea: build CVs with no planes or pilots
What "timebomb" to reverse a war already lost?
Has the Shinano carrier ever been found???
Good video.
clickbait; yech!
All midway class where armored.Served aboard Roosevelt, DC-3.Example,6 in. thick torpedo belt, 12" over after steering.
Now did the sub launch 6 or four torpedoes first. He said it launched 6 at first. Pretty sure US subs only had 4 tubes forward and two aft. Am I wrong here or no. I’d like to know. Confused
action narrator voice!! great!
Ironically Shigure would be sunk by Redfish's sister ship USS Blackfin.
Wow, the US only built 120+ aircraft carriers. What was this gonna change?
clickbait. shame on you.
You are mistaken! American Aircraft Carriers did “Not” have armored flight decks!
5:16. Shinano was an aircraft carrier, not a battleship.
she originally was supposed to be the third of the Yamato Class Battleships but it was converted after the IJN lost four fleet carriers at Midway
@@robertyoung3992 Yes, but someone didn't do their homework.
Where you sick when recording this?
Thanks for the comments, it save me the time watching stupid stuff.
'lacking the armoured decks of their american counterparts'? News to me, I thought only British carriers had them!
At 322 you are showing the German pocket battleship Graf Spee after it was scuttled. Big mistake
The Okha had no chance of changing WW2.
Bless our Vets. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
"Suckers and losers."
Donald Trump
clickbait BS
No WW-II American carrier had an armored deck.
American carriers didn't have armored flight decks in WW2, but the British did.
Wow I can finally watch this in normal speed... He's not talking fast anymore
Seeding the bottom with meatballs.
What was the Japanese carrier transporting Godzilla and Rodan?
I think I saw the GRAFF SPREE in there !
And now, not just friends, but steadfast allies.
Yes after the US rebuilt their country,and paid for everything for the next 30 years,at the expense of US industry !
They've never admitted their many wrongs.
@@veramae4098
That would help tremendously with South Korea and the Philippines.
No this poor last carrier wasn't going to change anything.
As an aviator, I'm just going to say that it's not a great idea to serve alcohol to your Pilots right before they take off.
The key is to mine those little nuggets of truth you didn’t know.
Good episode.
The Yanks didn't have armoured decks, the Poms did.
Too much background noise for those of us with hearing problems.
Armoured decks of American counterparts? Which ?
I was thinking the same thing. My understanding is that US aircraft carriers had wooden decks, making them vulnerable to air strikes.
@@jnmrn4069Oak vs balsa?
Could be wrong but think it was british carriers that had armoured decks
@@danielgemmell3340 I just checked that and Wikipedia says you are right. The U.S. changed to the same design type as the British starting with the Forrestal class of carriers. Not originally having armored decks seems pretty dumb.
Correct the British had armored decks on their carriers. We didn’t.
What American aircraft carriers had armoured flight decks? I think none, except the British carrier leant to the Americans!
Outstanding video and presentation
American carriers did not have armored decks, they had wood, English were armored
To misquote SunTzu, wars are won and lost even before they are fought. Japan traitorously took America by surprise, but overestimated themselves and underestimated America. Like Yamamoto said: "the only thing we have accomplished is to wake a sleeping giant."
I agree with the comments. I don't need or appreciate the click bait titles.
If they had seen the writing on the wall, the atomic bombs wouldn't have been necessary.
That weapon would never have changed the fate of WWII... just as none of German weapons did.
The overly dramatic reading is a bit annoying.
Really the war against Japan came down to Japan not making the nuclear bomb first. They were working on one and had plans to use it on completion.
The Battle of Leyte Gulf was 23-26 October 1944
Only British Invincible and Implacable class aircraft carriers had armored decks. American carriers had wooden decks.
Another ''CLICKBAIT'' title..
This gets a thumbs down and a block from me.
This story causes about as much emotion and drama as does the activity of watching paint dry!
The Oka was the weapon. Carriers just shuttled them.
thought I would try one more time. Nope your quality for facts is lacking. it's been a good run but I'm out.
American carriers didn’t have armored flight decks.
Video total BS .... Dark Seas USED to be a must watch ... It no longer is ....
Gotta love clickbait
Are They looking for The Shinano? That's the One that needs to be found.
A tale of increasing desperation and futility.