Are We Being Kind Enough To Donald Trump? Author George Saunders Answers
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2017
- The man who is quite possibly Stephen's favorite author knows exactly which superpower to use on Trump: empathy.
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I hope Stephen invites more authors to appear on his show, such a rare and amazing treat.
Arkadiem absolutely
yes. we should see more authors on talk shows, more writers, scientists, those kind of people. not some bimbos (not excluding men) right out from yellow pages
A literary fiction writer on a late night show? More please!
the other thing i love is how clear it is that Stephen genuinely admires Saunders and loves his work. I think Stephen is kind of hit or miss as an interviewer, because he has trouble faking interest in a guest if he's not sincerely interested in their work - which in a way, is also kind of a positive, because he comes off as much more authentic, which is incredibly rare for late night shows. i can just imagine kimmel or fallon asking stupid or condescending questions to authors, but with Stephen who is so open about his nerdy interests, it just feels like an intimate conversation with a creative mind.
this interview could have gone on a lot longer, it was very interesting. I like when Colbert brings really intelligent, valuable people to the show, and not just some actors and actresses...
that's what I meant, there should be less actors and more intelligent conversation
Actors and actresses are capable of intelligent conversation and being of value. It's all a matter of what topic Stephen engages them in. For example, he could have Ashton Kutcher on to talk about Thorn, which is hardly a shallow topic. Ricky Gervais was a guest very recently, and by no means was that exchange devoid of substance. But I do agree that conversation with more depth more often would be very refreshing.
thats the problem with interviews on the late show, they have to be very very time constrained and you miss out on some potentially great material
the other thing i love is how clear it is that Stephen genuinely admires Saunders and loves his work. I think Stephen is kind of hit or miss as an interviewer, because he has trouble faking interest in a guest if he's not sincerely interested in their work - which in a way, is also kind of a positive, because he comes off as much more authentic, which is incredibly rare for late night shows. i can just imagine kimmel or fallon asking stupid or condescending questions to authors, but with Stephen who is so open about his nerdy interests, it just feels like an intimate conversation with a creative mind.
George has got some really interesting things to say! :)
When's the last time a guest of any talk show was THAT deep and seamlessly non-preachy?
I may start paying attention to this guy.
i can feel the audience's attention. i love this discussion. kudos.
Great interview!
Colbert always does the best interviews. Idiots don't even bother trying to compete for the Colbert bump. Best choice ever to take over for Letterman!
What a fantastic booking! Thank you so much for featuring journalists, authors, poets & dancers; a welcomed change!
If you ever have the chance to see George Saunders do a public reading, I highly recommend it. In person, he is both very funny and nice.
George Saunders is a great soul. Stephen Colbert is another great soul. We are lucky to have these guys!
Stephen's show books the best & most diverse set of guests. Not just some flashy movie people. Thanks!
I was already planning on reading this novel but after watching this interview with Saunders I am even more inclined to do so.
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George Saunders is awesome
I yelled when I saw he was going to be on. Perhaps to his own doing, but this man does not nearly get enough exposure in a time when we need his voice the most.
Best convo I've listened to in a very, very long time.
Your profile pic is triggering me.
Such a fascinating individual.
I met George. He is a great guy!
I think if you see Donald stumble on the street, you could help him get up.
When Donald knocks on your door, walks in crying and says; 'I can't do this', you offer a shoulder.
When you see him at the dentist and he's nervous and scared, you calm him down.
But once he's just showing anger and tries to hurt others, for what reason whatsoever, there's no room for compassion.
Joking aside, I think George mean that by trying to put yourself in his shoes, you have more weapons to stir him over to something else. Have you seen how in some classes, when they teach you how to debate, they often put you in the side you oppose? Because by getting to know the opposition, you get to know best how to work to dismantle it. The same thing when you are learning how to play chess and some people suggest playing against yourself.
That's why they say having empathy for someone with certain beliefs can be the hardest thing.
Empathy not in "Oh well I guess I have to think like a racist" per se, but more about navigating that worldview that made them what they are. So that when you understand it, you have more arguments to dismantle it.
Oh but I wasn't joking. I was genuienly talking about how he might need compassion as a human being, but not as the president. If you do stuff wrong at work, you get a correction for it. But as a human, sometimes you need compassion.
And I get the rest of what you're saying. Understand how they think, what made them this way.
I've seen documentaries about his childhood (and clinton's and bernie's) and I think it's pretty clear he got the; 'Get them, before they get me'-message as a first. He can't give away controll, he was taught that pride is extremely important, etc.etc.
Sometimes he does similair things that people with abusive parents did, around me.
I'm not comparing the two, those people were different ofcourse. But I see the same anger towards the world when they're not listening to him. And the same fear when they don't follow his demands and protest.
It might seem too easy (and it is, ofcourse, it'll never happen) but I really think if some therapist would sit down with him for a year, you'd have a different Donald.
If he'd have the guts to work with him ofcourse. Most people are too afraid to look inside their minds.
This is hysterical. I hope this comment makes it into a museum or history book when we look back on this dark, embarrassing time.
But that's not the point of the thing they are trying to tackle with when talking about "empathy". I thought you were joking because otherwise you missed the point terribly.
They are not talking about when to be lenient and when to be firm. Showing "empathy" according to the writer is not about being lenient for simple things like throwing a glass of milk or falling down the street lol, but about understanding when problematic actions take place. They ARE talking about empathy about his discursive and his policies.
This has nothing to do with whether being lenient on Donald Trump because he is capricious, or being "firm" when he is an asshole. They are talking about empathy, as in understanding, when he says and does problematic shit.
Because if you understand it, then you understand how to dismantle it.
My point is, this has nothing to do with every day life quirks and mistakes. That's not the heart of the matter at all lol
Okay, but it was my point. :)
Wow
Amazingly put.
U know why I love the Colbert show? Because he has some amazing guests that you don`t get to see on other shows. And you get these amazingly deep discussions about spirituality and religion and human nature.
So You know how he`s been up on raitings lately? MAYBE it`s because people want to hear more things like this. Insdead of some stupid reality show reject babbling about selfies and plugging her new lipstic or some shit.
People want to see some SMART TV. We are tired of Stupidity and being an audience to stupid instead of Mocking it!
Stephen does both.
Godd for him on the raiting boost I say. TV needs a show like thing!
They don't even have to be a remarkable guest; it's just the fact that Colbert makes an effort to have a conversation with them.
But the fact is he much rather talk to this guy than to a model. As we have all seen.
And I, as a viewer, much rather him talking to this guy.
Models are Models for a reason. They are not required to speak. :-)
Excellent interview! Guess I'll be checking out that book, huh?
Words fitly spoken by the greatest author of our time. His words take me to my happy place.
Awesome conversation.
This was an outstanding interview. I'm gonna have to find this guy's works.
NickGreyden find the audio version of this book...award winning. Lincoln in the Bardo.
Really great interview, what an interesting guy! Gonna have to get his book, it sounds fascinating!!
Great interview.
Good interview
I didn't know rickety cricket was an author
I really want a long form, 92nd street Y style interview with these two. That felt too short.
I just read Lincoln in the Bardo. It’s a beautifully, original, heartbreaking, hilarious, and wonderfully bizarre tale about family love and loss. I highly urge people to read the book, you won’t regret it!
great interview
Sounds like an interesting book. I should start watching your show again. Been busy lately Mr.Colbert. 000
Here is my rule, and it applies to everyone: help the person. But first, stop them from hurting others. An abuser is hurting, too. But you get the abuse victim out of there first. Contain the harm. This allows for the possibility of sociopaths, too.
However, if we all want to be classier, we could quit making fun of Trump's hair. It's just hair. It doesn't matter.
I LOVE G. SAUNDERS. Basic difference between empathy and sympathy ppl.
Who in the world would dislike this?
George Saunders... that's an open mind!
one of the best writers right now imo
Quite some interesting concepts touched upon in this interview.
What a wise man.
If you have a chance to hear the audio version....fan fucking tastic.
sweet!
Empathy isn't the same as agreement, but that can be difficult to distinguish.
I once wrote a short story that contained all the elements of a story. Character, Setting, Conflict, Plot and Theme and tried to introduce all those elements in less than 200 words. It was a simple story about a young boy and his dog. It was the most difficult story to write that I have ever written. But the story was compelling and from time to time I read it again. Economy of words is the key to writing. And is also the most difficult thing to accomplish.
I want all his books now I think! O:
God damn that intro song is rockin'
I wish there were more interviews with authors and scientists, and fewer interviews with TV and movie celebrities.
What song did the band play for his intro? it's bugging me not knowing so much!
Why the fuck should I be empathetic of a multi billionaire? Does he need a "safe space"?
1/2-E NO REASON AT ALL! He's got an overabundance of "safe space" with Blackwater/Erik Prince.
be empathetic because he wants to make our country great again. so what if he has a lot of money
If you believe that, "PosterLongname," I have a few bridges...
2 + 2 = 5
our country could be more like this......
🙏💕
#WALKAWAY
this really is late night
John Aavang quality is the best
deep
This man is so calm... I'm suspicious
"radical tenderness"
Genuine question: Where do Catholics get the idea of Purgatory from?? Like it's not Biblical?
It potentially is biblical, in that it has loose origins in scripture. Several people in the first few centuries AD took sections from the bible about being 'tested by fire' or 'baptised by fire'. Like, for example, 1 Corinthians 3:15 "If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved--even though only as one escaping through the flames". They expanded these ideas into the concept of a purging process.
It evolved from the general idea of the need for purification upon death. The Catholic idea of Purgatory as an actual place has only been around for roughly a thousand years, but the concept of purifying the soul to enter heaven comes from Judaism and its prayers for the dead. You don't pray for the dead unless you feel they need some kind of assistance, why else would you do it? And Judaism wouldn't be the only faith, modern or ancient, to have that idea. Any rituals of purifying the body or soul are essentially the same concept. Buddhists making offerings for the deceased, the Greeks needing to cross the river Styx, the Egyptians trial of weighing the heart against a feather to see if it is weighed down by evil. All of it is essentially the same concept of purification.
Tom Cadogan Thanks for the info!
Gemma Pettersen No problem, I found it interesting so it gave me something to do.
Just a quick question as I am not that well versed with the Bible but didn't Dante in his Divine Comedy actually give a picture of the Purgatory or was it already established and he just used it?
Purgatory is the invention of the Catholic church with loose links to scripture and also links to pagan thinking - the Greek mythology of a celestial Hades.
Also some people think that the catholic church over time - as the roman empire conquered a new country - adopted pagan thinking or festivals and integrated them into the religion to win over the new populus.
Ultimately purgatory is used as a control - using the fear of purgatory as a means to control the flock.
Not all christian faiths believe in purgatory - it is mainly a catholic church belief. But I would agree - that it is not strictly Biblical
love this...from a tibetan buddhist
wow...robert herjavick from shark tank!
Read Brad Carrigan, American. It's great
RE: bardo and death. When horses [or other animals die] are do they get "wild" too? Does bardo apply anywhere else?
Wow George Saunders on Colbert. Again apparently.
MOREEEE GUESTS LIKE THIS, please. Less "celebs", more authorts, artists. I love you so much for this Stephen.
I got an idea Stephen. Why don't you adopt a Mexican family of six and have them move in with you. That would be empathy.
i’m gonna read it
Empathy? I gotta teach it to myself first
At a first glance of the Caption Picture of this video and the first word of its Title being "George", I thought it was a video of Stephen interviewing George Carlin and was like *_"WTF, Did he come back to life?_* and was disappointed that he didn't.
#DyslexiaBitches
That's funny. He looks a little bit like him too, don't you think?
Twinzies.
For some reason, this Tibetan "Bardo" sounds similar to the transition between sleep and waking life.
Take notes Stephen Colbert.
It did take that author three months to write that book.
Ted Cruz was a hero at RNC convention when he stood up to Trump, until he backtracked. Oh please, oh please Senator Cruz grow a spine again!
George Saunders knows nothing about psychopaths/narcissists/sociopaths and how contemptuous they are of the empathy he recommends toward them. Purgatory (detention) after a good jail stretch is the answer.
Fantabo statement on empathy without retreat.
There is a space for empathy to meet compassionate action. If, as I contend, Donald Trump is suffering from acute cognitive dissonance (read Mistakes Were Made, by social psychologists Elliot Aronson and Carol Tavris), he is basically sick. You wouldn't attack a suicidal person, but you would try to take away their knife. Trump needs to be stopped, not only to stop him from hurting others but also to keep him from hurting himself. Does he look happy and well-adjusted to anyone?
I have to admit, of all the challenges in feeling empathy for someone, right now Trump supporters have been the most difficult I've ever faced.
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"PosterLongname": I expected "Omaha Steaks" instead of "Doritos."
You are here, you use a trolling pic, you use a trolling name and you hurl insults around but you're not trolling? Is that an alternative fact?
Xxzsounds like the plot of lost
Great interview. Definitely going to give this novel a read. Great conversation about empathy and firmness. Too bad there are so many foul mouthed illiterate trolls on this feed who only know how to tell people to get fucked, but have nothing of substance to say. If you are not fans of the show it is quite simple to change the channel. I imagine Alex Jones or some Brietbart idiocy would be more to your liking. I for one appreciate Stephen's humour in these dark days with that bloviating Cheeto in the White House and an administration in chaos, full of racist, neo-nazi's, Russian sympathizers, and a GOP, so willing to stand aside while these anarchists destroy our nation just so they can push their disgusting agendas through. And you can save your childish, trollish, comments. I don't check back.
Probably the best interview to date. Shame it's only 7 minutes.
"Are we not being kind enough to a cheeto doucher who is racist, has no respect for women, and has created the situation to threaten the life style of my friends and family?" No. I can never be cruel enough to that person.
that's my own personal philosophy right there.
even intellectually, it makes more sense. what really is the kindest thing you could do for an ignorant person? provide them with - or at least try your very best to provide them with - knowledge. when ignorance trumps knowledge, it is never on firm ground. it's very breakable. but how you go about breaking it down is what's important. and it's very challenging to do when it involves widespread political movements where facts are treated with ambiguity and come second to what the demagogue thinks. it's fucking terrifying, in fact.
i think we lacked hindsight, and the very fact that we refused to take trump and his supporters seriously only ended up solidifying their distorted views. so the next time someone sees even mild ignorance, don't entertain it. it's something i've been telling myself for the past month lol
When I see a story about LINCOLN or some other historical figure a part of me just goes "YUCK! I'll go see what I can find in the FANTASY section!" *GRIN* But I have been a MYTHOLOGY FREAK since I learned to read... Buddhism and it's philosophies have become my "GO TO" for trying to explain my feelings lately... this looks like it might actually get me to read a story on an ex-president! (And it might possibly get me to change my mind the next time I'm looking at these books!
Jacob's Ladder is about the same subject
Wow, Simon Pegg has let himself go.
So damn early wtf
What kind of hateful nit wit “thumbs down” something this human? You simply have to be one of the worst examples of our species to dismiss this dialogue with a short “nope” - truly, everything wrong with America can be condensed to “we have too many people who ‘thumbs down’ things like this.”
DMT
Yeah George the heck with the us. Just put us further in debt and support everyone else but us.
A little arrogant that the kind thing to do is just persuade them that you're right, but ok. Probably the nicest thing I've ever heard on the Colbert Report.
DR has a metaphorical"black hole" he has to fill with attention ,money but as the Gentlemen said firm but gentle advice Trump is a sad,empty soul it is a desperate sight but many won't see that
a finger on the button must be slow to press. a petulant arrogant man with a finger on the button should be convinced to maybe find another job.
I am very glad that you raised the question of empathy, kindness in regard to Trump. I do not think that unkindness is productive. It can generate a lot of laughs (which I really enjoy here), but in the end, Trump is a human being who, I believe, is way out of his league, and trying to find his way. Of course, he is also a megalomaniac, so he would never admit that. But surely we can be empathetic to him as a human being, and firm about the presidential stuff.
bardo = barzakh?
I think the way he talked about empathy is just like what Gandhi believed in.
Donald who?
So characters who have died and don't know they're dead are trapped in a limbo zone, and aren't allowed to move onward until they have worked through their life issues? Isn't that the plot of the play "Steambath"?
Meh
Like Melanie Phillips I am opposed to those who oppose Trump even though I'm not keen on Trump.
The mind is the brain. If the brain is dead, there can be no mind.
Mirror neurons study is way too new to draw any real conclusions, but it seems likely they're related to empathy. Suggesting mirror neurons would survive death makes no sense to me, especially when you consider a major head injury while still alive can handicap and alter a human's personality e.g. empathy.
Yeah, I understand what you're getting at, and I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely. The way I look at death, most likely we die and that's it. But hey, maybe not. It's enough.
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+ClockworkKubrick hell at least hes getting laid even if its gonna take a while.
We know life is gonna be over at some point but I'm not looking forward to it...
I think we need to cover him more sympathetically. One sided outrage is unintelligible as anything but hate to the ones subject to it.