No parent should experience something like this 😢😢 also what makes this even worse is that Mehmet died at the hands of his brother ( someone that Kosem loved so much) this was the day Anastasia truly died and only Kosem remained
Gotta hand it to Beren Saat. Her performance as Kosem was magnificent and her distress upon seeing Mehmet dead was as wholesome and real as you could get.
Enthroned Osman was Kösem's biggest mistake. Even in real history, this caused the dynasty losing potential heir once again after Şehzade Mustafa and Şehzade Mahmud
@@markward3981 Kosem Sultana was not hungry for power She was just waiting for the suitable heir to reach the age of maturity before ascending the throne If only Sultan Osman ruled wisely the palace and the state will be peaceful without bloodshed ✌
Kosem Sultana didn't make a mistake putting Sultan Osman on the throne It's the order of succession Osman is the eldest son then Mehmed It's the fault of the people who poisoned the thoughts of Osman Like his advisor and Fatiye Sultana These are the evil that causes the downfall of Osman Every ruler has it's own fate ✌
Yes,in real history Mehmet was the only son of Kösem and Ahmet,the smartest,most talented,charming,compassionate and most importantly loved by everyone…especially the Janissaries and army soldiers really admired and worshiped him very much:)that’s why his death caused great pain and anger in everybody…In fact the ottoman people loved him very much,just like they loved Şehzade Mustafa
I truly emphatise w Kosem She loved and treated Osman as her own. She kept her promise to her love, Sultan Ahmed. I was in same position... Loving another child, Y, as my own... my own 1st child, X, wondered if i loved X 1st child less But i told X No, coz Y's parents are busy, dont want Y to feel neglected But in the end... 💔 If Kosem did not love Osman, she would hv killed him long ago Comments according to this movie I understand some comments say history is not quite the same as the movie Im just commenting as fron the movie
Horrible moment when Kosem knew that Mehmed would be killed but she can't do nothing ( just like historical Kosem). I believe that both in show and historical version Osman feel bad for execution of Mehmed. The problem that he was young without reliable support even if he should listen Kosem. I really like Ayse Sultana , just like Humasah she is a good supporter of her mother and efficent. At least A sultana who is efficient and who is not a evil like Dilruba. Why the writters in season 2 throw her , instead we have Atike :(
True,instead of Atike and Gevherhan(who weren't even daughters of Kosem irl) there should been Ayse and Fatma and Hanzade too. Shah,Humashah and Ayse were the only imperial sultanas portraited well(even though literally nothing is known about historical Humashah and Ayse),but still at least they didn't butchered them. Dilruba is just psychopath.She litteraly caused all this chaos.
@@drfhgs428 So true about theses Sultanas. But Atike historical was still important as she educated herself Turhan and was very close to her ( just like Ayse Humasah with Safiye). Yes Dilruba is a truly psychopath. But at least she was a very good opponent who use her blood of Sultana very well for make her brother season 4 ( compared this with Mihrimah season 4 or show Atike XD) but still a butcher character ( plus it seems that her true name was Sah Sultan)
@@nesiacha3659 Yes historical Atike was so important. She educated Turhan,and Turhan and Ibrahim named their daughter after her. Mehmed also called Atike his second mother. But about Safiye i think it was Humashah Sultan(daughter of Sehzade Mehmed).Also Murad and Safiye named their first daughter after her. Also Gevherhan Sultan raised and educated Handan,and Ahmed named his first daughter after her. Yes tbh Dilruba is more braver and stronger than show Mihrimah. Yes her name was probably Shah. It's really interesting to know how was her relationship with Ahmed I irl. It is possible that she was involved in Osman's end(but not like in the series). Because some ambassadors have noted that Davud and Shah planed to apoint their son as heir of Mustafa and Halime supported them,but they were stopped by the ulema. After Mustafa dethronement Halime,Shah and Shah's son disappeared forever. It's unknow what happened to them. They probably lived. Maybe they lived like Mahidevran and Meleksima who were exiled, cut from the treasury, and were probably homeless? Nobody knows that. For example we know about Esma Sultan(who is kinda similar as Mihrimah and this Shah)she supported her full brother when he killed their cousin and order his halfbrother to be killed. However Mahmud was saved by his mother,and later Mahmud executed Mustafa. Esma was very furious and angry with him. But later Mahmud and Esma fixed their relationship and they became clouser. Same with Mihrimah and Selim. But no information about Shah. Fun fact:Ayse Sultan(Mihrimah's daughter)and her husband supported Safiye as Haseki,and Fatma Sultan(daughter of Kosem)before her death,included Gulnus in her testament.
@@drfhgs428 Yes this facts are so true. But when I think too that Sah ( we will call her like that asthere is a probabilty that it was her name ) is maybe involved on the end of Osman ( after all her husband and her mother were involved) and maybe to the attempt of murders of sehzade but not like these. It is safe to said that she was not as horrible in real life. I don't think that Kosem would allowed that Halime and Sah would live in poverty. Not because they like each other ( it is safe to said they probably dislike each other) but for pragmatic reasons. After the death of Osman the title of Padisah was very little respected and it took a lot of effort for Kosem and Murad to restore the prestige of the dynasty. So condemning Halime and Sah to poverty (as Suleiman foolishly did with Mahidevran, or even Osman with Meleksima. Did it cross Suleiman's mind that by dragging Mahidevran down to earth after Mustafa's death could diminish the prestige of the dynasty and therefore the position of the Sultan because after all that we have done a mother from a sehzade, you can do it with more patience and time with a sultan, you just have to see what happened to Osman would have only further diminished prestige in this time of chaos. Kosem at that time despite the loss of her son and Ahmed was still very lucid and able to compromise even with the people she dislike and made her suffer
@@nesiacha3659 I don't really agree with some parts here. Yes what Suleiman did to Mahidevran had no excuse and it's injustice, but we must remember that the padishah had the biggest authority that time. Similar like in the European Kingdoms during Middle ages. Suleiman changed a lot of rules and traditions in the empire which was thought by someone to be not appropriate and some criticized it. But still that time statesmens or people couldn't dare or go against or judge the sultan's word. About Osman's case(it's totally different),nobles didn't care about Osman at all, they used this situation like excuse to claim the throne and end the dynasty. Because Mustafa was mentally unstable, the other heirs were children. And Halime and her allies just worsened the situation. It was just chaos,and it's not impossible that Halime and Shah were cut of treasury or their rank, since none mentioned them. I don't think that Kosem or any other statesmen cared about them, everyone was just looking their work. There were more serious problems that time, not only rebelions,the enemies of empire conquered some lands, there were also plague and corruption too. I think that Halime and Shah lived in some house or in the Old Palace, but lost their rank as Mahidevran(Selim later restore her rank yes) and Meleksima. Some people fell sad and sorry about them(Mahidevran, Meleksima, Halime and Shah),but didn't care about it at all and couldn't do anything. Everyone was just minding their own business. But I agree that the decline of the empire can be count as Suleiman's fault.
How dare Osman!!! Who does he think he is????????????????? Valide sultan won't let this slide, Osman will sufferfor this. Mehmed will win in the end , everything went as his last words
@@ΔημΣΚ-ο7η It means that her function is to rule a harem, nothing more. Sultan may execute shehzade or not - he has a right to do it according to Fatih's law.
Zabicie Sułtana Osmana z powodu jeszcze że zabił swojego brata nic nie ma do tego to był tylko pretekst do buntu Wszyscy przelewali krew braci i nikt nic nie mógl zrobić w tej sprawie a tu chcieli poprostu zabić sułtana bo widzieli że jest nie doświadczony i im wyszło niestety
No parent should experience something like this 😢😢 also what makes this even worse is that Mehmet died at the hands of his brother ( someone that Kosem loved so much) this was the day Anastasia truly died and only Kosem remained
@Leo never let your fear rule you
Gotta hand it to Beren Saat. Her performance as Kosem was magnificent and her distress upon seeing Mehmet dead was as wholesome and real as you could get.
Enthroned Osman was Kösem's biggest mistake. Even in real history, this caused the dynasty losing potential heir once again after Şehzade Mustafa and Şehzade Mahmud
Sehzade Mahmud II got lucky that he escaped from execution from Sultan Mustafa
She did good and bad . May Allah have mercy upon her. I think she fell in lover with power towards the end.
@@markward3981 Kosem Sultana was not hungry for power
She was just waiting for the suitable heir to reach the age of maturity
before ascending the throne
If only Sultan Osman ruled wisely
the palace and the state will be peaceful without bloodshed ✌
Kosem Sultana didn't make a mistake putting Sultan Osman on the throne
It's the order of succession
Osman is the eldest son then Mehmed
It's the fault of the people who poisoned the thoughts of Osman
Like his advisor and
Fatiye Sultana
These are the evil that causes the downfall of Osman
Every ruler has it's own fate ✌
Yes,in real history Mehmet was the only son of Kösem and Ahmet,the smartest,most talented,charming,compassionate and most importantly loved by everyone…especially the Janissaries and army soldiers really admired and worshiped him very much:)that’s why his death caused great pain and anger in everybody…In fact the ottoman people loved him very much,just like they loved Şehzade Mustafa
I truly emphatise w Kosem
She loved and treated Osman as her own. She kept her promise to her love, Sultan Ahmed.
I was in same position...
Loving another child, Y, as my own... my own 1st child, X, wondered if i loved X 1st child less
But i told X
No, coz Y's parents are busy, dont want Y to feel neglected
But in the end...
💔
If Kosem did not love Osman, she would hv killed him long ago
Comments according to this movie
I understand some comments say history is not quite the same as the movie
Im just commenting as fron the movie
Horrible moment when Kosem knew that Mehmed would be killed but she can't do nothing ( just like historical Kosem).
I believe that both in show and historical version Osman feel bad for execution of Mehmed. The problem that he was young without reliable support even if he should listen Kosem.
I really like Ayse Sultana , just like Humasah she is a good supporter of her mother and efficent. At least A sultana who is efficient and who is not a evil like Dilruba. Why the writters in season 2 throw her , instead we have Atike :(
True,instead of Atike and Gevherhan(who weren't even daughters of Kosem irl) there should been Ayse and Fatma and Hanzade too.
Shah,Humashah and Ayse were the only imperial sultanas portraited well(even though literally nothing is known about historical Humashah and Ayse),but still at least they didn't butchered them.
Dilruba is just psychopath.She litteraly caused all this chaos.
@@drfhgs428 So true about theses Sultanas. But Atike historical was still important as she educated herself Turhan and was very close to her ( just like Ayse Humasah with Safiye).
Yes Dilruba is a truly psychopath. But at least she was a very good opponent who use her blood of Sultana very well for make her brother season 4 ( compared this with Mihrimah season 4 or show Atike XD) but still a butcher character ( plus it seems that her true name was Sah Sultan)
@@nesiacha3659 Yes historical Atike was so important. She educated Turhan,and Turhan and Ibrahim named their daughter after her.
Mehmed also called Atike his second mother.
But about Safiye i think it was Humashah Sultan(daughter of Sehzade Mehmed).Also Murad and Safiye named their first daughter after her.
Also Gevherhan Sultan raised and educated Handan,and Ahmed named his first daughter after her.
Yes tbh Dilruba is more braver and stronger than show Mihrimah.
Yes her name was probably Shah.
It's really interesting to know how was her relationship with Ahmed I irl.
It is possible that she was involved in Osman's end(but not like in the series).
Because some ambassadors have noted that Davud and Shah planed to apoint their son as heir of Mustafa and Halime supported them,but they were stopped by the ulema.
After Mustafa dethronement Halime,Shah and Shah's son disappeared forever.
It's unknow what happened to them. They probably lived.
Maybe they lived like Mahidevran and Meleksima who were exiled, cut from the treasury, and were probably homeless?
Nobody knows that.
For example we know about Esma Sultan(who is kinda similar as Mihrimah and this Shah)she supported her full brother when he killed their cousin and order his halfbrother to be killed.
However Mahmud was saved by his mother,and later Mahmud executed Mustafa.
Esma was very furious and angry with him.
But later Mahmud and Esma fixed their relationship and they became clouser.
Same with Mihrimah and Selim.
But no information about Shah.
Fun fact:Ayse Sultan(Mihrimah's daughter)and her husband supported Safiye as Haseki,and Fatma Sultan(daughter of Kosem)before her death,included Gulnus in her testament.
@@drfhgs428 Yes this facts are so true.
But when I think too that Sah ( we will call her like that asthere is a probabilty that it was her name ) is maybe involved on the end of Osman ( after all her husband and her mother were involved) and maybe to the attempt of murders of sehzade but not like these. It is safe to said that she was not as horrible in real life.
I don't think that Kosem would allowed that Halime and Sah would live in poverty. Not because they like each other ( it is safe to said they probably dislike each other) but for pragmatic reasons. After the death of Osman the title of Padisah was very little respected and it took a lot of effort for Kosem and Murad to restore the prestige of the dynasty. So condemning Halime and Sah to poverty (as Suleiman foolishly did with Mahidevran, or even Osman with Meleksima. Did it cross Suleiman's mind that by dragging Mahidevran down to earth after Mustafa's death could diminish the prestige of the dynasty and therefore the position of the Sultan because after all that we have done a mother from a sehzade, you can do it with more patience and time with a sultan, you just have to see what happened to Osman would have only further diminished prestige in this time of chaos.
Kosem at that time despite the loss of her son and Ahmed was still very lucid and able to compromise even with the people she dislike and made her suffer
@@nesiacha3659 I don't really agree with some parts here.
Yes what Suleiman did to Mahidevran had no excuse and it's injustice, but we must remember that the padishah had the biggest authority that time.
Similar like in the European Kingdoms during Middle ages.
Suleiman changed a lot of rules and traditions in the empire which was thought by someone to be not appropriate and some criticized it.
But still that time statesmens or people couldn't dare or go against or judge the sultan's word.
About Osman's case(it's totally different),nobles didn't care about Osman at all, they used this situation like excuse to claim the throne and end the dynasty.
Because Mustafa was mentally unstable, the other heirs were children. And Halime and her allies just worsened the situation.
It was just chaos,and it's not impossible that Halime and Shah were cut of treasury or their rank, since none mentioned them.
I don't think that Kosem or any other statesmen cared about them, everyone was just looking their work.
There were more serious problems that time, not only rebelions,the enemies of empire conquered some lands, there were also plague and corruption too.
I think that Halime and Shah lived in some house or in the Old Palace, but lost their rank as Mahidevran(Selim later restore her rank yes) and Meleksima.
Some people fell sad and sorry about them(Mahidevran, Meleksima, Halime and Shah),but didn't care about it at all and couldn't do anything.
Everyone was just minding their own business.
But I agree that the decline of the empire can be count as Suleiman's fault.
Foi o erro dela mesmo, dar a preferência para Osman e Osman mereceu o fim que teve. Filho ingrato.
Osman doesn't believe his valide!!!! He is not fit for the role of padishah.
Episodes after Ahmed I's death are thrilling than rest previous ones
No matter what kosám should have enthroned her biological son mehmed. The biggest mistake she made out of inexperience and holding stupid beliefs.
sadly back then sultan and king did what they wanted to do and the army followed the orders
Mehed was right Osman was going to kill his brothers
Great acting and music
Safiye sultan did that but worry not, valide sultan will teach her a lesson
Yes i think same too safiye must have hand in this
How dare Osman!!! Who does he think he is?????????????????
Valide sultan won't let this slide, Osman will sufferfor this. Mehmed will win in the end , everything went as his last words
Osman is a sultan, don't forget it.
@@user-zo4ei1ip2i so what she is valide sultan
@@ΔημΣΚ-ο7η It means that her function is to rule a harem, nothing more. Sultan may execute shehzade or not - he has a right to do it according to Fatih's law.
@@user-zo4ei1ip2i she rules the empire she decides
No , valide sultan decides
This is so sad.
king killed who ever they want to
Zabicie Sułtana Osmana z powodu jeszcze że zabił swojego brata nic nie ma do tego to był tylko pretekst do buntu Wszyscy przelewali krew braci i nikt nic nie mógl zrobić w tej sprawie a tu chcieli poprostu zabić sułtana bo widzieli że jest nie doświadczony i im wyszło niestety
Why didn't she make her own
Sultan?
23:09 oh uh she said the same to murad and we know what happened :))))
queen and queen mother could not do anything about it
I dont trust mustafa