To be fair, a racing series with AI driven cars made by say university students and such could be somewhat cool. Like, instead of developing a car throughout the season, develop the AI and see what comes of it.
I think they could've benefitted more by racing in a time-attack format instead of actual racing. It would've given them more time to develop the cars and AI and maybe it wouldn't been so boring. They also dropped the ball hard by not broadcasting the events, essentially killing the thing on birthplace. They could use their own youtube channel to broadcast and even get some of those weird sponsorships, like UralKali or Rich Energy, before setting things with a TV channel. I mean, it shouldn't be so hard to set an online transmission if you can program cars to drive themselves. I mean, it's not impossible to have these type of ideas. For me, Roborace lacked the most essential aspect for any racing cathegory: Ambition. They lacked a central brain to promote the series, like uncle Bernie, and thus damned it to forgetfullness and meme territory. I'm sad because I've known many programmers, software and tech developers, and I could see first-hand how amazing their work are. In the end, it's really fucking dissapointing what happened
I worked on navigating robots, when this was announced it seemed incredibly ambitious to me. This result seems to be the tech at the time, outside of laboratory conditions. Autonomous navigation is not here yet! (automatic navigation is Easy!) My hobby is remote controlled planes, I'm 100% convinced that to make a rc-plane beat a f1 car+driver, all you need is a good pilot and good low latency video. -> F3D (piston) F5D (-E) pylon racer rc-planes do >200Mph in circuit and can make >50G turns!!! Slightly modify the plane to always fly on it's side (Wings not for keeping airborne, but for turning only) and to make it easier, replace the piston engine with a colibri turbine engine. To make robocar possible, add a remote pilot, Give extreme freedom to add all sensors, and to make a powerful, crazy aerodynamic vehicle. That will actually beat a F1 car. Smaller, lighter weight, and quicker vehicle. Meanwhile giving manufacturers a way to fight their sensing and control tech in a race.
Interesting. I've been at Berlin's Formula E, when Roborace actually drove a fast laps with the dev bot. And a few years later when two teams competed to each other. Didn't knew it was actually going so bad, as it seemed rather promising.
If there's something to take, the Indy Autonomous Challenge is more functional than Roborace. Yeah, students are behind the tech, but it's something (I guess).
Maybe this could work if they used rc cars with a bunch of cameras on them that transmitted back to a beefy pc that calculated the steering and throttle control. Then maybe the cars would only cost $2,000 or so and they could make lots of them and have lots of teams competing and not be worried about crashing the cars. If you aren’t so scared of crashing the cars then they could push them a lot more and progress would probably be faster. That way the broadcasting could focus more on the team developing the software and at least the races would be more action packed even if though they would be low stakes.
Aww, I just found out about Roborace only to discover that it's already over. It could have been like a scaled up micromouse. I guess one of the differences is that anyone can buy a kit and start competing in micromouse, whereas you'd need an entire team of specialists to be a part of this competition.
Well, it seemed to have a litany of problems, with the main one being that they forgot the human element. Racing is all fun, but without (human) character it is just as boring as the French or Yas Marina Grand Prix Tracks when there is absolutely no activity whatsoever.
I think it would've been better if they were more time trial oriented. Seeing cars that can be pushed beyond what a normal driver can do would be a cool sight to see.
To be fair - Robo Race was never about racing and therefore the “human element” isn’t relevant. The whole point of what they were trying to do was to gamify the development of self driving cars through sponsored teams
tbf RoboRace was doomed to fail like how exciting would be a pin perfect performance robot completing laps around a circuit would be exciting I mean even the newer F1 games boast a feature called "human like performance with AI mistakes" and stuff because the racing on the game was getting dull
Obviously without tv coverage the series wasn't going anywhere, however I think that they could have asked cryptocurrency and software brands like Google or even a manufacturer like Tesla to sponsor them. Also if I understand correctly the virtual challenge is basically an AI playing a video game right?
I dont like the idea of robo race because there are so many people who would do anything to be able to just drive a lap in a high downforce race car. and replacing actual human drivers with noone is just not really that fun. Plus theres no errors that dont look forced
Tbh as if anyone thought this was gonna happen tbh robots are idiots unless programmed not to be again will fantastic coverage of racing weird and wonderful
So a series with no humans, A.I designed to make no mistakes and being given no real reason to watch… and the result… no one cares. Who would of guessed….
Horrible job or laziness in trying to find the answers. Why make the video?? Roborace team Arrival won the 2 car competition vs Tum, they beat them by like a 14 second lead or something like that. Lucas Degrassi was hired to race against the Ai race car, every time the Ai car kept on getting closer and closer to beating Luca's time, the last race was only a few seconds off, but then they had to pull the plug because they were running out of funds. They got alot of data from roborace and it really showed were the technology is going. Thats what really happened, the big fella that made this video has no clue on what really happened.
Roborace was always stupid to me, every racing series is all about the driver, sure the car takes a big role but you can’t win a world championship with Alex Albon, and they took out the vital piece of motorsport, they took the personality out of the sport and I think that’s why it failed, the masses don’t want to watch life size scale electrics, they want to watch rivals jostle for the world championship not this crap
Same guys "In their Mum's basement just invented GPT5 that can create a more popular youtube channel overnight. And will replace 50% of jobs currently done by humans in the next 5 years. Maybe we should have been kinder to them.
To be fair, a racing series with AI driven cars made by say university students and such could be somewhat cool. Like, instead of developing a car throughout the season, develop the AI and see what comes of it.
I think they could've benefitted more by racing in a time-attack format instead of actual racing. It would've given them more time to develop the cars and AI and maybe it wouldn't been so boring. They also dropped the ball hard by not broadcasting the events, essentially killing the thing on birthplace. They could use their own youtube channel to broadcast and even get some of those weird sponsorships, like UralKali or Rich Energy, before setting things with a TV channel. I mean, it shouldn't be so hard to set an online transmission if you can program cars to drive themselves. I mean, it's not impossible to have these type of ideas. For me, Roborace lacked the most essential aspect for any racing cathegory: Ambition. They lacked a central brain to promote the series, like uncle Bernie, and thus damned it to forgetfullness and meme territory. I'm sad because I've known many programmers, software and tech developers, and I could see first-hand how amazing their work are. In the end, it's really fucking dissapointing what happened
Shaw!
This would have been cool… if it was, y’know, good?
For a second I heard "rowboat racing" and was getting ready for Hamilton in a canoe.
Spa 2021
@@sorosub4562 you háve seen the forecast for next week right?
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I worked on navigating robots, when this was announced it seemed incredibly ambitious to me. This result seems to be the tech at the time, outside of laboratory conditions. Autonomous navigation is not here yet! (automatic navigation is Easy!)
My hobby is remote controlled planes, I'm 100% convinced that to make a rc-plane beat a f1 car+driver, all you need is a good pilot and good low latency video. -> F3D (piston) F5D (-E) pylon racer rc-planes do >200Mph in circuit and can make >50G turns!!! Slightly modify the plane to always fly on it's side (Wings not for keeping airborne, but for turning only) and to make it easier, replace the piston engine with a colibri turbine engine.
To make robocar possible, add a remote pilot, Give extreme freedom to add all sensors, and to make a powerful, crazy aerodynamic vehicle. That will actually beat a F1 car.
Smaller, lighter weight, and quicker vehicle. Meanwhile giving manufacturers a way to fight their sensing and control tech in a race.
Interesting. I've been at Berlin's Formula E, when Roborace actually drove a fast laps with the dev bot. And a few years later when two teams competed to each other. Didn't knew it was actually going so bad, as it seemed rather promising.
Could you imagine *"Driver's...car start your engines!!"*
Electric humming....😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Is there a race series that still does that?
If there's something to take, the Indy Autonomous Challenge is more functional than Roborace. Yeah, students are behind the tech, but it's something (I guess).
Got some footage from a test at Rockingham back in August 2017. Spent 3 days watching it go 40mph around an oval. Devbots looked good
Maybe this could work if they used rc cars with a bunch of cameras on them that transmitted back to a beefy pc that calculated the steering and throttle control. Then maybe the cars would only cost $2,000 or so and they could make lots of them and have lots of teams competing and not be worried about crashing the cars.
If you aren’t so scared of crashing the cars then they could push them a lot more and progress would probably be faster.
That way the broadcasting could focus more on the team developing the software and at least the races would be more action packed even if though they would be low stakes.
I will probably watch this if the cars were remote controlled not driven by AI and if they made the cars faster
They used the likes of Mazepin, Raghunathan, and Nissany as the basis for the AI
Don't forget about deledda
At least those drivers doesn't get loss in a one way road while going at 20m/h
Lewis Hamilbot and Jenson Robboton these were not.
L A U G H
Aww, I just found out about Roborace only to discover that it's already over. It could have been like a scaled up micromouse. I guess one of the differences is that anyone can buy a kit and start competing in micromouse, whereas you'd need an entire team of specialists to be a part of this competition.
Formula Land mowers, here we gooooo
nah lawn mowers move faster than that come on!
@@FP1Will Bottas agrees
Well, it seemed to have a litany of problems, with the main one being that they forgot the human element. Racing is all fun, but without (human) character it is just as boring as the French or Yas Marina Grand Prix Tracks when there is absolutely no activity whatsoever.
I think it would've been better if they were more time trial oriented. Seeing cars that can be pushed beyond what a normal driver can do would be a cool sight to see.
Racing is fun even without humans
To be fair - Robo Race was never about racing and therefore the “human element” isn’t relevant. The whole point of what they were trying to do was to gamify the development of self driving cars through sponsored teams
Find that was Thruxton and not Brands Hatch.
Thanks for the investigation!
The only time an ai should be behind the wheel is when an idiot thinks their timeline is more important than paying attention to the road.
"oh no! the start has not gone to plan!" I mean the car immediately hooked a right into the wall
I think they should have incorporated a robot wars theme and had the cars fight during the laps, wacky racers style
tbf RoboRace was doomed to fail like how exciting would be a pin perfect performance robot completing laps around a circuit would be exciting
I mean even the newer F1 games boast a feature called "human like performance with AI mistakes" and stuff because the racing on the game was getting dull
as you can see it was never pin perfect to begin with
Obviously without tv coverage the series wasn't going anywhere, however I think that they could have asked cryptocurrency and software brands like Google or even a manufacturer like Tesla to sponsor them. Also if I understand correctly the virtual challenge is basically an AI playing a video game right?
I had a cringy YT thing like 7 years ago and covered this series when it was announced. I forgot about it and clearly so did everyone else.
I dont like the idea of robo race because there are so many people who would do anything to be able to just drive a lap in a high downforce race car. and replacing actual human drivers with noone is just not really that fun. Plus theres no errors that dont look forced
What level of autonomy do you think F1 will have in 20-30 years?
Hopefully none
NONE.
@@GloomGaiGar we like to say None but AI has already begun taking jobs left, right and center honestly.
Check NVIDIA Canvas.
Tbh as if anyone thought this was gonna happen tbh robots are idiots unless programmed not to be again will fantastic coverage of racing weird and wonderful
So a series with no humans, A.I designed to make no mistakes and being given no real reason to watch… and the result… no one cares. Who would of guessed….
They figured out that a radio control car with no controller and cost millions is not really that cool.
Is it bad that I wouldn’t mind participating in something like this?
I still have all the hot wheels cars actually
It was Thruxton it crashed at sorry the second car.
Yea you’re right sorry, that’s what happens when you wrote scripts late at night haha
@@FP1Will i apologise for the small nitpick. Appreciate all the work its incredibly entertaining.
...what do you get when you put wheels on a drone...?
if a marble racing league manages to make more entertaining races than you. perhaps it is fine to quit and stop this madness
6:12 didnt expect you to daniel takes up your entire night already right?
Tô rindo muito do Manuel Prego 🤣
Isn't there even a hotwheels of one of those🤣
Yes they made at least 6 different variants of them I would know... I bought 6 of em.... all different
Horrible job or laziness in trying to find the answers.
Why make the video??
Roborace team Arrival won the 2 car competition vs Tum, they beat them by like a 14 second lead or something like that.
Lucas Degrassi was hired to race against the Ai race car, every time the Ai car kept on getting closer and closer to beating Luca's time, the last race was only a few seconds off, but then they had to pull the plug because they were running out of funds.
They got alot of data from roborace and it really showed were the technology is going.
Thats what really happened, the big fella that made this video has no clue on what really happened.
...threatened to compete with Tesla...?
Would work better if was a hill climb
Wasn't this the one Tom Scott got to go around Silverstone in?
It is indeed!
Bro it aint that hard the f1 game can do it
I have no idea what a Roborace is but now I kinda want it
Formula 🅱️ots
Somewhere there is a Russian with less money....and all was good in the world.
Roborace was always stupid to me, every racing series is all about the driver, sure the car takes a big role but you can’t win a world championship with Alex Albon, and they took out the vital piece of motorsport, they took the personality out of the sport and I think that’s why it failed, the masses don’t want to watch life size scale electrics, they want to watch rivals jostle for the world championship not this crap
Alex Albon is doing quite well now that he's driving a Williams, considering it's one the worse cars of the lot. Why him as example?
@@chrispedicato i was just using a driver low in the championship as an example I would’ve said Latifi but it’s a little cliche
we will NOT tolerate albon slander in this house
Same guys "In their Mum's basement just invented GPT5 that can create a more popular youtube channel overnight. And will replace 50% of jobs currently done by humans in the next 5 years. Maybe we should have been kinder to them.