Lmao can you tell me when that was ever shown? they don't attack souls it doesn't even makes sensed bcos we seen alot of people being hurt by hollows but their souls were okay same with humans too of you remember and Chad's soul was still intact after sensui beat him awfully
I think you're a little overestimating being an Edo Tensei's usefulness here. Yes, the Edo Tensei's regeneration is very op in naruto because the ninjutsu reconstructs their physical body, while their spirit which "piloting" the Edo Tensei is untouchable to the ninjas. But the Bleach characters can bypass this with their "soul cutter" zanpakuto which directly attacks the soul. And we seen how that affects naruto characters. Orochimaru couldn't heal his arms even after changing body, because of his missing spirit arms. And after Obito added yin and yang release to the TSO to attack the souls, the Edo Tensei hokages couldn't heal their Edo bodies either. I would even argue that damaging the soul is super effective against naruto characters because we never seen them heal their souls and by default they can't really do it. I don't saying that any of the captains would mop the floor with Madara. I just doesn't think that Edo Tensei is that useful against them as against naruto characters.
Tbh madara after absorbing the ten tails was perfect in ever way better than the edo tensei form but this ''soul cutter'' thing I see in bleach debates I just don't understand like it never happened in the anime except when there perform the act on konsou but we literally saw hollows attack people but it didn't work on their soul except being eaten while soul reaper have fought human before but that wasn't implemented in the fight like look back at the rescue arc after declaring team Ichigo as ryokas sensui beat the living shit outta Chad but never his soul got destroyed same with other stuffs things in bleach but not that when facing a human one cut directly goes to their soul.. their bodies are like protective shell not exposed like the the ones with chains on their chests
@@gemini.saga3 hollows are souls, the swords damage them, ergo their soul body. hollows eat souls to add to their power sould reapers have not fought humans before besides the quincy (which they fough on Soul society, the spirit world) During the rescue arc ichigo and his friends WERE SOULS they did not have a physical body on soul society, this even a plot point made on the anime and manga (about how they need to convert into souls to enter the spirit world) all the damage chad and the others took was not to the body but the soul.
When I saw the title I genuinely laughed out loud, which is quite a feat. First of all there is a lot of things that you got wrong here but I will humour you and say you're right so we can just oick apart a few key reasons why Madara would lose: - you gave a lot of reasons why some captains wouldn't do anything to Madara, even Shunsui's bankai, due to the edo tensei body. Except, the zanpakuto attacks the soul directly, thus bypassing any binuses of the edo body - saying that Mayuri wouldn't have a contingency plan for an immortal being is beyond hilarious. Knowing him, that's probably one of the first things he ever created - you're also disregarding sealing kido - saying that Madara could cancel out or see through Kyoka Suigetsu is the dumbest statement ever that many Naruto fans use because they literally can't comprehend how KS works. It's not just an illusion, it literally makes all your senses useless because you perceive things that are not there, that you wish you could see, etc. Even Yuha could not escape it and he has reality bending powers and can see the future and still could not get out of it. - once Madara's soul is damaged, the gates of hell would appear and drag him in and there's nothing he could do to stop that - Kamishini no Yari destroys things at a molecular level. What would happen to Madara's edo body is the dame as if it got hit by a truth-seeking orb since the zanpakuto hits the soul. There's a good chance I'm forgetting some things as I had to watch on and off for a bit so I may have forgot some points.I wanted to bring up
Idk bro the concept of destroying souls that exists in a body already never happened in bleach I mean we see sensui beat the shit outta Chad nothing happened with his soul, for mayuri he needs prep time to do so and madara has alot of rediculous hax which the anime had to close up and kill him earlier, madara would be able to react to most of the sealing kido techniques via precognition and he also has kamui which it just phases through him, okay for kyoka suigetsu let's be frank here.. aizen used kyoka suigetsu on a yhwach with no shrift and the almighty turned of back at his visit with aizen and during the fight again the almighty for yhwach let's him see and altar the future he sees not the power to change the past of when he got affected by it.. that's a long topic if going in depth but the only shrift he had then was the almighty plus the way kyoka suigetsu was shown in the anime is literally honestly not compared to the illusion like the way we see it in Naruto first of it requires an eye contact.. secondly it was said to control the 5 senses but what was shown was confusing your senses but not making you do the thing you wouldn't normally do but genjutsu literally controls them and make it in a way you die from what the user actually wants which was what Itachi actually did with his tsukoyomi he controls the time, space and everything there he gave her an illusion of where she died after leaving like 50+ years with Itachi in the tsukoyomi she died after old age in the illusion and this just happened in secs in the real world.. when I see both Naruto and bleach fans debate about aizen and madara there literally bring arguments about how non of them can resist or bypass it but realistically these characters has far more experience with this since day one while soul reapers have no resistant or way of overcoming it imagine a genjutsu broken like that shisui's amatsukami was still broken by Obito which literally takes over your entire being and rendering you completely ignorant while you feel your doing your normal day stuffs, what am saying there are resistances in the verse than what gotei 13 or anyone shown and without that he has izanagi with his enternal mangekyo to spam for some time plus he has genjutsu too which works too the way kyoka suigetsu would too that's if some people wanna be unbiased about it, back then in the war he literally resisted his soul going back to the dead btw using the gate of hell here idk what to say actually but he had eyes given to negato which he uses hell to revive himself if equalized it's like healing him, Idk bro the concept of destroying souls that exists in a body already never happened in bleach I mean we see sensui beat the shit outta Chad nothing happened with his soul, for mayuri he needs prep time to do so and madara has alot of rediculous hax which the anime had to close up and kill him earlier, madara would be able to react to most of the sealing kido techniques via precognition and he also has kamui which it just phases through him, okay for kyoka suigetsu let's be frank here.. aizen used kyoka suigetsu on a yhwach with no shrift and the almighty turned of back at his visit with aizen and during the fight again the almighty for yhwach let's him see and altar the future he sees not the power to change the past of when he got affected by it.. that's a long topic if going in depth but the only shrift he had then was the almighty plus the way kyoka suigetsu was shown in the anime is literally honestly not compared to the illusion like the way we see it in Naruto first of it requires an eye contact.. secondly it was said to control the 5 senses but what was shown was confusing your senses but not making you do the thing you wouldn't normally do but genjutsu literally controls them and make it in a way you die from what the user actually wants which was what Itachi actually did with his tsukoyomi he controls the time, space and everything there he gave her an illusion of where she died after leaving like 50+ years with Itachi in the tsukoyomi she died after old age in the illusion and this just happened in secs in the real world.. when I see both Naruto and bleach fans debate about aizen and madara there literally bring arguments about how non of them can resist or bypass it but realistically these characters has far more experience with this since day one while soul reapers have no resistant or way of overcoming it imagine a genjutsu broken like that shisui's amatsukami was still broken by Obito which literally takes over your entire being and rendering you completely ignorant while you feel your doing your normal day stuffs, what am saying there are resistances in the verse than what gotei 13 or anyone shown and without that he has izanagi with his enternal mangekyo to spam for some time plus he has genjutsu too which works too the way kyoka suigetsu would too that's if some people wanna be unbiased about it, back then in the war he literally resisted his soul going back to the dead btw using the gate of hell here idk what to say actually but he had eyes given to negato which he uses hell to revive himself if equalized it's like healing him, again the zampactos never did that bro it never once killed a soul existing on a body already we watched the show if you doubt you could tell where it ever happened if you disagree.. it's cool to bring out some points too cus both shows has alot too and bleach also has kido which has some little time control abilities so I preety much know alot about both
@@gemini.saga3 you said a lot of things, most of which were a bit of a tangent/rant so I will just address the key things that you put into question or got wrong, hope that's fine: - all attacks are soul based, as the soul is the embodiment of existence in the world of Bleach. Think of it as it's power system, like chakra in Naruto. It would be redundant showing some different effects when blood suffices for the display of damage. Even then you get stuff like Ichigo's bankai shihakusho representing how much reiatsu he has / had been expended. The clothes are made of reishi just like all other matter thus it is extremely durable. In other words all damage sustained is basically the damage to the soul. After all, everything is "soul" so the sustained damage is in fact shown as soul-damage. In regards to your point and Chad, he was in fact made of reishi. If you remember, on their way to SS, all the humans (Chad, Orihime and Uryuu) had to pass through a special device that converted their kishi (physical matter) to reishi (soul). In other words, Chad was made of reishi so the damage he sustained was soul-based as everything else. To better illustrate this, look to Uryuu fighting Mayuri. As a quincy he could collect the reishi around them and break it apart as even objects are composed of reishi in the spiritual worlds. Similarly, Quilge used this ability and damaged Chad and Orihime by pulling at their souls as they are made of reishi. - Mayuri requiring prep time is kind of inaccurate. Mayuri is observant and makes fast decisions. He observed the Quincy to come up with counters and he always has things at hand he wants to test. Basically, he's the definition of ass pull but it's still entertaining. Mayuri always has things at hand because that's who he is. - my point about Yhwach was that even with the ability to rewrite reality, which was shown to destroy things that happened / prevent them from ever happening / nullifying their powers by cancelling them out in the future + the whole higher reiatsu negating hacks, was all inconsequential before KS. People always think there's a way to beat it, to counter it, to negate it, that it won't work, etc. but that's not how the ability works. Once it lands there is nothing else. There is a counter when Aizen still owned a zanpakuto, before his assimilation, but in general and in his current state, KS is perfect (it's even in the name "perfect hypnosis"). Resistance to KS is not a thing. Everything else was a bit redundant due to all the talk about genjutsu, which does not apply. Unless you'd like me to address a specific point. In such case, please keep it a bit shorter. Edit: to add to the Almighty. The fact that it wasn't on back then is inconsequential. Due to the nature of it's power he should be able to negate KS even after being hit by it. Except, that's not a thing and thus he could not. That's the point I'm making. Someone like Madara who is nowhere near Yhwach or the Almighty cannot do anything against it either.
@@matus19971 @matus19971 oh yeah that's kinda true forgot bout that, Mayuri has alot of drugs ready on him and proved he can think very fast on his feet but madara with the juubi cloak can't die from it there's literally izanagi or substitution in case that happened or for some reason blitzed he has hax like the genjutsu.. the genjutsus have literally been proved to work on creatures with no chakra and even a robot back then still haven't finished it yet am around like ep 460 rn so idk more and riatsu = yin yang which all is spirit base it manipulates the flow of riatsu/spirit energy the way it manipulates chakra which's stated to be life. yes aizen had many flaws back then before he fused but what am saying is the Naruto verse has awareness to know when something's wrong unlike the gotei 13 then which aizen danced on since the izanagi wraps reality and madara having inf chakra + enternal mangekyo can use izanagi to remove himself from the likes of hogyoku remember the izanagi was used in several ways the basic way we saw it used was literally erasing everything about that previous body then recreating a new one making him get out and he has literally shown how his eyes detect right from wrong many times with hashirama and even pointed out Naruto from his clones like he was the only one who was able to do that. now the almighty doesn't give him resistant to powers he saw Ichigo overwhelm him with raw power then he decided to break his bankai before he became he attacked from the future, KS destored his vision of the real Ichigo which still appears like that in the future due to him still being under it the almighty doesn't make him overcome thay, no madara doesn't win against yhwach lol but he has izanagi and izanami to survive since it affects the past and another keeps on repeating the occasion still has limbo which idk he can see but not saying he wins
Worse than a cop out, if you really say he has no spiritual pressure then he just automatically dies in the Gotei’s presence since he doesn’t have any high level soul manipulation resistance feats that even basic soul manipulation gives you Someone as ‘weak’ as Tatsuki with just a tiny bit of spiritual energy was able to resist Yammy’s soul manipulation better than people like KCM Naruto and Killer B could resist Nagato’s soul manipulation
Madara would lose anyways. But there is a verse equalization. Its in the same way that people think Vader can beat Superman because the Force is magic and Superman is weak to magic. Its stupid. The verses scale equally. And IMO chakra, ki, spirit energy, nen, reiatsu etc. etc. all scale the same. They are all effectively the same with one using different mechanical attributes over the other. In this case reiatsu or at least the force/pressure aspect does not matter. It doesn't in Bleach anyways. All it did was become a psuedo scouter. A person with low spirit energy but high spiritual pressure was inherently more dangerous than the opposite because of how much energy can be released at one time
I don’t use verse equalization in my content since SBA means it’s an entirely random encounter where the combatants have no prior correlation or knowledge of each other, so there would be no reason to correlate the characters powers to each other
@@DiegosBloodsprayeven without verse equalization, it stated in naruto that chakra is formed from the physical energy and spiritual energy of the user. There is the yin release (spiritual energy) and yang release (physical energy). In bleach, any human that are spiritually aware or posses a small amount of spiritual energy can see and interact with shinigami. We literally see sasuke seeing itachi soul when he was released from the reanimation justu or when itachi used the totsuka blade to seal nagato soul as well even obito telling rin that chakra is a power that connect both the physical and spiritual world and used his chakra to grant kakashi his mangekyo abilities for a limited time as long as he was still in the physical plane before he went back to the after life and kakashi lost the sharingan forever. So even without verse equalization, chakra will clearly interact with bleach characters like any other character. And with the exception of Yamamoto and aizen, madara defeats all the captains here.
@olagokeemmanuel9625 while I agree that this scenario does not require any heavy verse equalization and that you've described very well the mechanics of spiritual abilities in Naruto, I'd have to disagree with your stated outcome. For me it's down to the actual power systems. It seems like for the level of attacks that an individual in Naruto can do, it cost significantly more chakra to create the same impact as it does spirit energy for bleach. While Madara has a large amount of chakra for his verse and can easily clear mountain scapes, most captains also do this casually in banki. Add in the fact that zanpoktou might permanently damadge his susanoo, and visual abilities can actually be blocked with kido like bakudo #81, the average captain is much better equipped to deal with edo madara than any of the kage, setting aside that you're adding in potentially 8 more combatants, some of which are leagues stronger than the average captain.
@DiegosBloodspray royd would beat madara (his shrift turns him into anyone he wants with 80 percent of there power) atleast that's what kubo said in an official qna
I’m sorry but Madera is getting no diffed by Yamamoto when he’s in Bankai. Do you really think the susano or Maderas regeneration will be able to counter a blade that’s 15,000,000 degrees.
1 armed, old yamamoto who's thousands of years out of his prime is destroying Madara with just his shikai alone. You could even include all the hokage to help Madara and yamamoto still easily beats them.
There were honestly many questionable things from the arguments presented in this video. But I'll just tackle one aspect and that is the Aizen vs Madara segment, as I don't feel like going over every other character. Strength: Madara felt overestimated, when he is mentioned of being a planet buster, but when he has no feats of such displaying that kind of power and loses to other characters with similar statements, in fact, I found raw translations of this scan that specify that it isn't referencing the planet, just the society whenever translated directly (which makes sense with lore and the purpose of the Bijuu). Otherwise, I'm fine with Madara being around country level or continental, considering feats like his meteors (that also destroyed his body) are that level or the fact the 10 Tails has that level of power of being continental, but that's just around the level of Espada at a casual level, and Aizen up scales massively, and it gets worse with Madara's planetary levels of power considering how hyped Uzuhiko was to bust the planet and it was trouble for far stronger characters like Code. If we grant Madara the Kurama statements, its fair we give Aizen Sogyoku scaling provided by Ichigo, and give the full on planetary ap it would get by vaporizing (even a Kido Cannon in the first movie, which destroyed an entire dimension with a star in it, can be calced to star level, and the souls coming together to create it as a whole is calced at large planet level, and the Sogyoku should up scale from both), and in AOE, Ichigo can affect the whole planet with his spiritual pressure. Meaning in both regards, Aizen is stronger. Speed: I am not as much lenient with light speed Naruto, with anything like Kirin stating Akatsuki characters would have trouble evading, and the Light Speed Teleporter debunks many things such as: -Raikage being light speed, as he would need it to travel all that (the databooks also use the kanji 'gotoki' which is more figurative). -Tsunade needing a healing factor to survive the transportation, not her physical durability, also supports it considering what was said. The same could apply to Aizen as well, but he is far more consistent. The best calc for the Naruto Raikage blitz is around 72 times light speed, but the more consistent ends get it to 10 to 20+ times light speed, Aizen meanwhile is drastically faster than Aaironeiro who blitzed light at 63% to 4 times light speed, then he blitzes Shunsui+other Captains all at once, Shunsui who evaded Starrk's Cero at a speed of 75 times light speed. So Aizen is honestly faster, as he also has Shunpo to help him out. Spiritual absorption: This is honestly the most overrated aspect of the whole thing, because on multiple occassions, souls were presented to resist soul absorption. A good one would be Mayuri resisting the Quincy's superior form of absorption compared to Rinnegan's, in which they deconstruct matter then they absorb it at the sub atomic level, and Mayuri was able to resist it just fine, or how Yammy used Gonzui that absorbed the souls of many members of Karakura Town, yet he couldn't absorb Tatsuki. I think this is a pretty direct means to counter soul absorption if that's Madara only way to take them down. Genjutsu vs Kyoka Suigetsu: This one will be the most controversial, but I wanna express it regardless. Outside the fact Aizen is stronger than Madara by feats, their two illusion abilities are drastically different. Genjutsu works by controlling the Chakra Network in the body and then it leads to the control of the 5 senses. The problem with saying Aizen would get affected by it is that Aizen doesn't have a Chakra Network in the same applicable matter as for Genjutsu Chakra to work, his Reiatsu flow is different, as there are vents in the Shinigami's wrist that releases Reiatsu, so basically, this could counter the ability to inject Chakra, as it would just leave the body. But even outside of that, its explained in the series that the mind is one with soul, meaning somehow, Madara must have a means to have Genjutsu work at a spiritual level, but we see blatantly that with Infinite Tsukuyomi it doesn't work on Edo Tensei, so that could prove trouble, but even ignoring that there are more ways around it, such as the fact Genjutsu works on the 5 senses, but with Reikaku the Shinigami have a 6th spiritual sense, which Madara hasn't been shown to control, so it won't be trouble for anyone. But let's pretend somehow Madara can affect it, there are still more ways around it, as we see Giselle has a mind hax ability with her The Zombie, and we find out that with stronger foes, she needs to use more blood to control them, as their Reiatsu level diminishes the effects, and considering how much Aizen has and his control over it, he could overpower it. Vs Kyoka Suigetsu, the Sharingan wouldn't be able to see through it, as Kyoka Suigetsu affects all the 6 senses of a Shinigami, so it controls on a more fundamental level than Genjutsu, but even ignoring that, Aizen also does more, Sharingan can see things on the cellular level, Reikaku detects activity on the atomic, as it observes Reishi. Kyoka Suigetsu also doesn't function like Genjutsu, as it doesn't need say: a Chakra Network to function, it just affects the senses directly. These drastic differences would be enough to overcome Genjutsu. Hax vs hax: I think Aizen takes it easy with just Kurohitsugi, as its torrent of gravity warping space and time and destroying atoms would be enough to completely crush Madara to nothing (which we are shown with Ohnoki's molecular destruction Jutsu, that Madara has trouble handling those kinds of techniques directly), he also has Haien that erases things from existence, Danku to block many long ranged attacks, sealing techniques, and all those affect Madara's soul, which he has no spiritual defenses against (in fact, we are shown directly, such as with Orochimaru vs Reaper Death Seal, that they have trouble with soul manipulation). All of Madara's other hax is pointless (absorption? There is a limit as shown with Naruto, and so Aizen can use big incantation ones. Analytical prediction? Aizen fought people like Ichigo and Kisuke with similar capabilities and Reikaku helps more. Sharingan copying ability? Takes too long and Madara has never performed such a feat in combat. Chibaku Tensei? Aizen can destroy the core with a Kido or be fine with Shunpo. There is more after that, but the point is clear). There are more I can talk about, like Shunsui vs Madara, I don't think Madara has a way around the games, but that's for another time.
Honestly Madara can't even fight Pre-Muken Kenpachi, hell, maybe even Shinji's reversing hax screw him over. Plus the databooks even stated the Raikage was almost LS, not even LS. There are multiple inconsistencies with Early FTL Naruto, like how Kirin, a lightspeed attack, was impossible for Itachi to dodge and he needed a last-second Susanoo to save him. Plus there's also the fact that Naruto never outpaced Haku or reacted to him, they were all getting clapped and Haku could've decided to kill them there if he wanted to. There's also the matter of how the Naruto Verse treats speed and speed techniques. Shisui wasn't feared for his Kotoamatsukami itself, but also his mastery of the body flicker technique, and it's why every major village had a flee on sight advisory against Minato. Shunpo is a basic Shinigami art that literal fodder can use, and Ichigo with far less experience compared to masters like Yoruichi, could spam it and achieve similar if not identical effects to Body Flicker.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 honestly, Shinji’s illusions would fuck with Madara, cause it has similar effects to KS, but the hax doesn’t work via sight, it sends an aroma that the target smells and then are put under it. Remember Pain vs Frog Song? Same deal basically. If I am being honest, someone like Unohana would be more than enough to beat up Madara just by feats alone. Light speed Naruto is WAY too inconsistent before Sage of Six Paths, and it’s nowhere near as fast as the higher end Bleach feats. Crazy how a God tier in Naruto is just a mid to high tier in Bleach.
The skeletons are used to tire out yamas opponents, imagine having to fight a trillion skeletons. Even if you kill 1000 of them with each of your swings, you will die of exhaustion long before you could kill all of them.
Idk those skeletons are extremely weak with the kind of uzumakis like chakra madara got or using his edo form which gives him unlimited chakra he just makes a near infinite clones and make them use susano + swords like without using his other abilities spamming clones and meteors (the first one he did on his first appearance) non stop and being immortal's kinda crazy
If you said SS arc Captains vs Madara, you might have a case for Madara beating most besides Kyoraku, Ukitake, Unohana, Aizen and Yamamoto, but since you’re using the FKT Captains, Aizen doesn’t beat any of them, they scale too high The ‘weakest’ captains like Soi Fon and Toshiro scale above Halibel and Barragan in terms of raw stats. And the SAFWY confirms that Barragan’s Respira is stronger than R2 Ulq’s Lanza. Soi Fon’s Bankai can overpower Respira, and when Starrk compared Toshiro’s Bankai to Soi Fon’s, he was more impressed with Toshiro’s display of power. So in terms of raw AP, even Toshiro and Soi Fon scale high above Ulq’s Lanza Speed wise, the FKT Gotei is MFTL to MFTL+, as Espada 3 and up scale well over 1000x Substitute Shinigami arc Ichigo and SS Arc Uryu that have Relativistic feats, the SS Arc LTs that dodged light, and Espada 9 who also dodged light And stronger captains like Kyoraku, Unohana and Yama etc still scale the same in FKT as they do in the 1st Invasion and thus scale to people like Robert, post Fullbring Arc Zaraki and Royd. (Kyoraku scales higher in the 2nd invasion, the others die ofc) Speaking of, SAFWY Zaraki who’s weaker than Fullbring Arc Kenny is strong enough to destroy the Dangai along with Azashiro. Which is called a hyperspace, but is at the worst lowball planetary Edo literally doesn’t help at all since Bleach characters attack the soul directly. Rinnegan Soul hax is ineffective since even people as weak as Tatsuki have soul hax resistance feats beyond the Rinnegan Soul Hax in the form of resisting Yammy Without verse equalization, Genjutsu is useless as the Captains don’t have chakra while Spiritual Energy is even more deadly since it’s been shown to affect things which don’t have or even interact with spiritual energy on a conceptual level, though that was transcendent spiritual energy to be fair. Spiritual Pressure specifically affects physical things in addition to the soul as well With verse equalization it’s still bad for Madara since Genjutsu could work, but Bleach characters neg the hax of beings far weaker than them, and Madara, while he would be granted more soul hax resistance than he does in Naruto, wouldn’t scale to the captains tier of soul hax/resistance, and they can damage each other for the most part
gotta be honest with you bro sorry but there's literally alot of bias and head canon on your comment like MFTL ? idk you really know what that actually means for a character and SS ichigo was literally stated to be sound speed also the same databooks contradicted light speed for byakuya which people call him a ftl character.. these guys you give ftl+ - MFTL+ statements to uses a accelerated run techniques to be fast like shumpo or the flash step which uses to cover short distances and in no way an actual real speed bcos i can literally bring canon source of MFTL+ speed in Naruto/boruto verse which doesn't exist in bleach like otutsukis travelling from another universe down to earth to confirm the chakra affecting the space time (Naruto) or when madara dodged an instant technique like the flying raijin, now your last statement's about energy madara scales above kcm2 Naruto who with half chakra and half of kurama shared chakra to atleast 3k members of the war still even performing well in battle too also absorb the transforming tentail which it's lowest form was already calc as to have the energy of a small planet which doesn't exist for the gotei 13 except aizen and yamamoto's riatsu remember that was an incompleted ten tails while the fully evolved ten tails back then was what created Naruto universe which was the one hagoromo absorbed now madara absorbed the god tree with an intense chakra which the size is comparable to the planet no one knows what extent of power he reached but with just only absorbing the ten tails was able to summon forth himself from other existence after the god tree the author had to make him die since there was no actual way to kill him anymore bleach focuses on overwhelming weaker opponents while Naruto focuses it on performing things with and using battle iq to overcome power gaps too.. bro idk why mostly bleach fans love downplaying this verse tho I recently finished both shows and I say he takes the gotei 13 captains out except the likes of aizen which's debatable too not yamamoto would win when fighting juubidara bro he has alot of counters to zankai no taichi all forms and has alot of hax which would guarantee the victory.
@@gemini.saga3 in regards to speed in Bleach: - we've seen fodder espada like Arronierro dodge literal light. Arronierro, who is a Gillian (an abnormal one for sure but still an extremely low ranking hollow. Literally the bottom if the Menos scale) and was beaten by Rukia who at the time was extremely weak. The victory is not your standard win but still. Arronierro is not impressive by any means and still has a Lightspeed feat under his belt. - Zommari was able to be in two places at once with how fast he was moving - there's a great video on Ichigo covering the distance between SS and the Soul Palace. I cannot link it due to YT rules but hopefully you can find it. It goes into some insane numbers. Bleach characters are absolutely insane when it comes to speed.
@@matus19971 I know about Ichigo own but that doesn't applies to the rest of the verse as to what people thinks like speed calc for bleach are misleading most times but Naruto specifies it too.. back in the hiden novels he dodged stray of light beams while being sick still able to catch high soeed rods coming from a timeless dimension far smaller than atoms which even Sasuke's Byakugan can't even see, even haku was confirmed ftl too despite being the first arc of the show.
narutards got narutard as expected. madara would literally get vaporized the moment he steps up to a single 3rd seat member of any of the 13 squads. the scaling between the 2 verses is like night and day. all soul reapers directly attack the soul and just their spirit energy alone is said to be able to kill anyone significantly weaker than them especially if they have no resistances to spiritual energy.
Madara resisted his soul being pulled back into hell, you can get both verses to universal lol, name an instance there attacked the soul even fodder characters like Chad were beaten by soul reapers and espadas nothing happened, yh and this last one one's completely biased this's always the argument this particular fandom has non of the captains except aizen has enough energy as madara he already has an insane amount of chakra being edo later absorb a developing ten tails which energy's regarded as a planet of it's own and later absorb the god tree to make it worst.. captains have no form of physical stats as madara or enough energy output as madara or even proved DC which's comparable to madara out of the world feat so try again 👇
@@davidrojas8210 first of I never said I was a fan of Naruto and secondly I just said something to try proving me wrong you just can't and started insulting on the show? okay now give me an accomplished feat you bleachtard 😷👇
The Bleach verse is shitting on Madara, regardless of which form you use. Even if you wanna wank Madara to multiplanetary (somehow), he is still getting one shot by Kenpachi for example.
I clicked this video just to read the comments because the concept is absurd to me, and I was right😂😂😂 No version of Madara is getting past even Soi Fon with her shikai, let alone the whole group... He gets blitzed and 2 tapped to death instantly. edit: just to put things into perspective for anybody that doubts this, Yammy at his weakest, while merely trying to catch his breath accidentally swallowed up hundreds of souls while on Earth for the first time. All it took to dispel Edo tensei was to seal their bodies to release the soul... bruh, Yammy breathing negs Madara 😂 The oh so "forbidden S class Jutsu" called the Reaper death seal, that was is a threat to every top tier in the verse would be the equivalent of fodder hollows like Orihime's brother in the earlier arcs of Bleach, heck it's even much weaker as Orihime's brother with just a piercing attack could separate the soul from the body instantly whereas the Shinigami in Naruto takes time to do so. This is a crazy match up, seriously. The very first kido we're shown in the manga was Rukia sealing Ichigo with some basic sealing kido, and when Ichigo tried to break it, she literally warned him to stop otherwise his soul would be destroyed. Let me stress that, A BASIC SEALING KIDO SPELL IN CHAPTER 1. It's crazy that in 2024 we still need to have these conversations about how Naruto fans can't seem to get over the fact that Bleach is just superior when it comes to powerscaling.
you have to be retarded in order to make these kinds of arguments 😭 but leave it to the Bleachtards man. First off, the point of Edo Tensei is simply to bring back souls in physical form to fight as soldiers. You would have to prove that Yammy could swallow a soul out of their bodies. This would be too hard for him, as even KCM1 Naruto could interact with his soul and stop Nagato from extracting it. What would stop Madara from doing the same? Idrc about your point on reaper death seal, as characters who would be high tiers in Bleach in pure stats, Kurama, were sealed using the Reaper Death Seal from weaker people like base, injured Minato 😭. Madara is sealing people away. Also you have brought up 0 amounts of evidence to prove that Bleach > Naruto in power. Let me make it easy for you. First, let’s equalize speed since in both verses you can easily get both to be very far into mftl+ and I don’t feel like arguing that. Anyway, Jubidara would scale above the likes of the 10 tails. The 10 tails, in the manga, is stated to be some sort of creation god, and in the databooks, is stated to be a fragment of the god tree that created the universe. The 10 tail’s true form IS that divine tree, which Madara absorbed. Not to mention, Madara scales to Naruto who can damage Kaguya, a being who created spacetimes. Obito in chapters 683-685 calls her dimensions spacetimes, which are 4d constructs made up of the fusion of time and space. This is a “universal+” feat. Madara would scale to this level of power (he isn’t stronger than Kaguya, but is relative to someone relative to her, which chain scales him to this level of strength). At the very least, he should be above the ten tails and the divine tree. Good luck getting anybody in Bleach to this level 😭 Muken isn’t infinite, the databooks proves that it only tricks people into believing it is, CFYOW has been mistranslated to make people think that the realms are universes, and Ywach CANT destroy the 3 realms, he just removes their barriers so they can destroy themselves by fusing into each other. Im tired of people being brainless and making retarded claims like “no form of Madara can beat Soi Fon” 💀💀💀 when you can’t even think to research on the other verse, let alone your own. What a stupid Bleachtard😭
I agree but I'll be honest. Madara himself does scale to Bleach characters. Saying he would be defeated by Suzumebachi or even a basic Kido spell is wild. Soi-Fon is not that fast or rather she IS but saying Madara doesn't have comparative speed or does not have the tools to stop her is silly and you know it. Yammy is also a joke. Never use him for anything. His only power is to get really big. And we've seen Madara make light work of colossal creatures. His Susanoo that can one shot mountains casually is more than enough to beat Yammy. But of course this isn't about the Espada who are overall weaker than Captains anyways That SAID every other Captain would destroy Madara that its not even funny. All of Madara's advantages doesn't even compare. If you look at his strongest version like Juubidara stuff like the Truth Seeking Orbs doesn't apply. I assume it doesn't do the same to reiryoku as it does flesh and blood. Limbo clones - if they have a soul - also a bust. The only true advantage are those techniques of the Rinnegan are about the only W skills he has and even then I think only the Deva Path and Preta Path. Any path that has to do with souls are pointless. It just feels like even if you compare relative feats. Yes Madara and by extension every other SS+ Shinobi in the Madara world are mountain and city busters. Its hard to see in Bleach because characters aren't booming everything compared to Naruto. But that's not where power lies in Bleach. Its all about skills and constitution. The moment you show stuff like Kenpachi surviving the vacuum of space and cutting meteors in half that became a wrap for any Naruto character
@@Monty2289 Yammy can also break mountains in half. His output of destructive energy is probably much higher than Madara seeing as how he is literally the Espada with the most reiatsu at his peak
@@everdream4200madara can literally go into space face the earth and spam meteors even of you argue speed eventual one touches it it's gonna be a problem bro has planetary DC after absorbing the still developing ten tails recorded as planetary and absorbed a god tree to make him even more crazier plus posess hax like reality wrap and rewrinding time itself
@@slatt.teddy3 The shinigami unironically have a glove that one taps him if they touch him by immediately separating his soul from his body. He can't use jutsu in that form and would be a very powerful, but ultimately helpless soul, as he'd still be bound to his chain of fate, and most of his abilities and power are tied to his body.
I love the idea of madara and shunsui playing mf games the whole fight 😂 bro I wouldnt hold these positions for the reasons you presented but i agree with the conclusions you came to the way you presented your arguments. Good video man
Yama’s Bankai is a literal star, madara isn’t star level even with the biggest wank. Not to mention it’s a stronger version of Yama and Kenny would one shot
Hey man i love the way you explain things in your videos i saw the naruto v ichigo one it really made a lot of sense don't let what the fans say sway you good word👍🏾
This is a real video? Bleach and Naruto characters don't even scale properly. Foot solders with an asauchi destroys A-tier Naruto characters while anyone 3rd seat or higher destroys everything else. I made it to Toshiro and just couldn't. Hyorinmaru is a weather control Zanpakuto. I get that's in the semantic sense but ultimately not just "It makes ice. The end" When you compare how he fairs against a fire user look no further than Bazz B who only had the advantage because Hyorinmaru's bankai was sealed. With with it Bazz B doesn't stand a chance. My point is while Madara had a whole bunch of techniques that could probably beat Toshiro fire is not one of them.
Pretty sure it's anime fans in general. Naruto fans get equally up in arms when one peice fans say "chopper dog walks the akatsuki" or something along those lines.
This video is full of misinformation bleach characters attack the soul so Edo Madara will be able to be killed or destroyed. New year and new bleach downplay like usual.
Dog you should probably get another person from the scaling community to do Bleach for you, like I'm not trying be rude but, you clearly just did surface level research for both, but surface level doesn't work for Bleach. A lot of the comments already call out how little you actually care about Bleach, like how don't you know Soul Reapers attack the soul directly bypassing physical durability, bro if it's to hard to scale then either get someone else to scale it for you or stop covering Bleach all together. It's crazy to me how many people in the Vs/Scaling community bite off of Bleach for views, then low ball It's scaling. Your channel won't get far with the lazy scaling. But hey! Naruto scaling is easy, so you did a good job on it. Can't wait to see Aizen lose too 👍
I’m aware that zanpakuto attack the soul, it’s literally in the name, but I also provided examples of how Naruto characters have astral awareness and defense, and chakra itself is spiritual in nature as well so there was no need to address it any further in the video
I heard, but you seem overly Adamant that Madara nearly indestructible to most captains; yet he isn't. Go look at @jocoolshow comment, he knocks out of the park, it perfectly lays it out.
Look while I don't expect you to scroll through comments all day, you should stop avoiding the comments that clearly counter your argument. Whether the common is mean or not, you should take it in as insight. Also don't be one of those people who's afraid change their opinions, that's why alot of other scalers suck or die off.
@@DiegosBloodsprayyou are the most biased Naruto Fanboy I ever seen in my whole life when is the last time that you think Madara Uchiha stand a chance against the captains from bleach they fought the Quincy's for goodness sake you need to go back and read the Manga please cuz you're an idiot your knowledge will bleach is very bad and it's starting to piss me off just a little bit
@@DiegosBloodsprayboohoo head Cannon Kenpachi Zaraki destroyed Madara Uchiha no contest this video is fake as hell what are you doing son stop we already know you ain't that bulshit stop knowing that Naruto characters like that don't really stand a chance let's just keep it real there's no scaling when you already know it all comes down to techniques nothing in this world is perfect
he said toshiro bankai got melted by yamamatos bankai which is stupid because its stated that his bankai is 15 million degrees and is almost like the sun whereas madaras fire jutsu is no where near as hot and would be rendered useless. Tbh toshiro from thousand year blood war would solo madara and it wouldnt be close. When fighting bazz B who countered yamamotos flames with his own toshiros flames didnt melt.
A lot of power scalers like the idea of Aizen and Madara being comparable, thus they support the idea that Aizen would beat the Shinobi alliance and that Madara would defeat the gotei. However, comparing Aizen defeating the gotei 13 to Madara defeating the kages and alliance does not work. These battles have crucial differences to consider when comparing them. 1. Part of the Gotei 13 was defeated by Aizen after they fought 3 espadas, 10+fraccion, 1 ex captain, and Ayon. Meanwhile, the kages loss to Madara after being healed and mostly restored. 2. Besides the letieunant level characters, none of the gotei members fighting Aizen nor Aizen could/would go all out (due to the nature of their bankais/ ability). Meanwhile, the kages had to go all out to face Madara. Unless the 5 kages with the alliance could defeat the 3 espadas, 10+fraccion, 1 ex captain, and Ayon faced by the Gotei to then face Madara, Idt Aizen vs gotei 13 is as similar as Madara vs 5 kages
Madera literal goal was to perform the weakest ability of Aziens shikai! He is not clapping majority of the captains. Without having the same power system he is not negating things like Soi fons “suzimeibatchi”! The Susano is literally Kuramura’s Bankai without sharing of wounds! Your just a bias Naruto fan wanting it to be better than Bleach
Well there are a capable of problems with this one, Don't soul reapers or pretty any person with spirtual power in bleach has resistance to soul sucking techniques? such as when Yammy's version of it failed to take Tatsuki's soul? Not only that but weren't Yamamoto's skeletons capable of blocking Ryoud's fists, who had copied between 70 or 80 percent of the real Yhwach's power? And what about all the different kido techqinues that the shinigami can use?
Also, Aizen and Madara though powerful are written differently. Aizen is presented as an unmovable object that can naturally overpower his opponent. Aizen defeated the Gotei, the vizard, Urahara, Yoruichi, Ishin, and Gin by himself (except yamamoto). He stated he’s the only reason espadas were obeying because he’s stronger than they are. However Madara needed to aquire the power he needed by stealing dojutsu, hashirama cells, manipulating, stealing beast chakras. Madara was defeated before and this time around had to rely on factors such as the cahos created by juubi, on obito and kabuto’s unresolved feelings, Naruto and Sasuke almost dying to distract characters such as the 4 hokages. They arguably would have defeated him earlier in the war if they didn’t have to protect the alliance from juubi then defeat juubito. I don’t think the version of Madara selected in the video could defeat the Gotei, just like Idt that version could defeat the Akatsuki, nor the espadas. Madara became unstoppable, he wasn’t originally.
kenpachi and yamamoto are the only ones that can contend with madara but even being an edo they have no easy answer to it. bleach caps out at eos shippuden
@@thefakebriskehDude, being an Edo is literally useless against Bleach characters. They bypass the edo's physical regeneration with directly attacking the soul.
@@thefakebriskehnah dude literally all the captains outscale madara heavily even using some lowballed scaling. Edo tensei is useless cus all bleach characters can directly attack the soul
@@gemini.saga3 hope u know as early as the soul society saga in bleach the captains were literally planetary level and then proceeded to get stronger throughout the series
@@DontAskMe10 planetary care to elaborate on that? madara's literally has accomplished planetary feat and with scale goes higher than that.. just wanna see the planetary feats from them
crazy thing is , the9tails has hada stray bijuu bomb hit earth... it destroyed a mountain. crazier thing is, the fact that naruto isnt a planet buster WITH kurama shows that while they are strong , kurama was NOT A PLANET BUSTER😂
Madara sensing yeah but to say that orochimaru or Naruto can see spirits because of jutsu that allows the demon spirit of the seal to be seen and the soul. So using Thai as evidence is dumb
This whole video is a joke 😂 You used the weakest versions of the captains You wanked Madara's speed by amping it but didn't mention the amount of amps that will increase the captains speed Kenpachi, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Byakuya are all faster and stronger than Madara
the only captains that can compete with edo madara stat wise is aizen yamamoto and kenpachi and neither of them have easy answers to physical imperviousness and unlimited chakra. visual illusions also dont work against the uchiha
@@thefakebriskeh sorry but aizen's kyoka suigetsu will work even on God level being like yhwach, it even affected him after he absorbed soul king it is not like normal genjutsu , adult toshiro with slap him he has power of nullification, yama(centre of the sun) , byakuya( billions of blades), gin (god killing spear), kisuke(smartest with legendary bankai), yoruichii(flash god) , shunsui( theatre sucide bankai) , dono ukitake bankai, Rukia...
@@thefakebriskehEdo Madara is FTL to FTL+ (scaling above the Raikage with Onoki’s speed amp) with Large Country to Continental scaling for scaling above the Biju The FKT Captains range anywhere from MFTL to MFTL+ (due to the weakest ones scaling above Ulquiorra via scaling to Halibel and Barragan and R2 Ulq with multipliers being over 1000x people like Espada 9 or the LTs from the SS arc who dodged light ), with Multi Continental (scaling above Ulq, Halibel, Barragan etc) to Small Planet Level AP (Shikai Yama scaling to Royd who had 70-80% of Base Yhwach’s power) if we’re not taking into account Yama’s Bankai and restricting him to Shikai
Even if we’re disregarding that soul reapers naturally counter edo tensei Madara is likely getting stopped at by Mayuri, kenpachi, Unohana if she’s allowed in, but he’s taking an L to Yamamoto. Madara would see Urahara’s counter ability as something familiar and treat him like a discount hashirama. For that reason I don’t see him being able to beat Madara but I’m giving Mayuri the chance. 10 tailed Madara probably just Mayuri or Yamamoto but then I’m leaning Madara for the win over the captains 1v1 Base Madara vs Shinji would be a fun fight. Shinji has no way to finish the fight and Madara would win but it would be an interesting one. The rest of the captains just get roflstomped
Lmao wtf, Gin literally disintegrates him, and ur giving Mayuri a "chance" but not Urahara? Madara would get stomped by Askin and Pernida lmao, also its stated that Urahara IS smarter than Mayuri and he has proven it himself several times. Kenpachi bankai cutting through anything, Toshiro literally froze Gerard, Byakuya stomp Madara obv, Shunsui bankai sure as hell would solo Madara without any struggle, Lille Barro literally solos the Narutoverse lmao. Rukia absolute zero gg
Hado 54: Haien. You should know this bro. Madara had no chance even to nanao because of that. They’d never use it because of the balance of souls cycle. And if genjustsu should work on Bleach, so Reiatsu crush/negate should to bro. It’s like you literally say “Bleach powaaa system f*ck daaa let’s just use Naruto powaa system” scaling doesn’t work like that brother.
Wait… is this video specifically Soul Society arc captains? Ok, I can accept this comparison with these assumptions. That said, from Mayuri upwards… I would say it is the opposite, that Madara could win with high difficulty. From Shunsui upwards… the captain’s bankais simply rolfstomp Madara. Lacking reiatsu means lacking a soul… so Madara being a living creature definitely is affected by attacks that directly attack reishi/souls such as Shunsui’s bankai, claiming the Edo Tensei lack’s Reiatsu is irrelevant at best or a crippling weakness at worst(in that it would provide zero defense against spiritual attacks)
naruto gets more chakra when he goes KCM2, but doesnt have a single feat that shows him being considerably faster than in KCM1. Thus characters like say shikamaru or tenten do not become x3 faster than war arc kakashi just by getting the cloak.
Here we go, hardest Naruto glazer strikes again and sullies our beatiful world with his godawful scaling and bias. Sit down lil'bro, you aint impressing no one with our trash takes.
I can give you the short answer which is no, and it isn't eve close. Though I could arguments for max power madara being able to fight some of the weaker captains in a 1v1. In a 1v13 fight madara would get smoked.
@@gemini.saga3 that isn't a thing yes there is a rinnegan ability that can do something similar Plus he kept using the edo regeneration thing which is meaningless here because soul reapers attack the soul which edo tensei can't regenerate
@@allengrove1864 he didn't use the edo regeneration and he absorbed hashirama sage chakra dry in few secs also absorbed the rasenshuriken and other things can also reflect blasts from sensui that's just his basics tho
Tbh im fine with your scaling thru my friend shows me her new powerscailing meta where she think bleach characters are paracusal which destory my normal scaling for bleach but im gonna make an video on this topic. ((Note:i do think bleach beat naruto/buruto verse but come on bleach fans..thats what the channel owner think..dont get all butt hurt if bleach loses.))
great video , quick correction shinji doesn't really use illusions its inverting your senses like if you're thinking of running left but end up running left , up becomes down, etc. overall i agree with this naruto genjutsu operates the same way as KS from aizen and i never understood what aizen had on madara who has a far larger arsenal.
KS is far more potent than Genjutsu. KS can affect people with 4-D fate manipulation hax that can see an infinite amount of timelines and futures and has power null/reactive evolution for any ability that he’s aware of On top of that, KS doesn’t work on just a physical level, it affects the soul. So being resistant to illusion hax wouldn’t grant you resistance to KS unless you have proof of being able to guard your soul from perceiving said hax And on top of that, unlike Genjutsu which can be resisted by pain, disturbing your chakra flow, or other Dojutsu of similar levels, there’s no resistance to Kyoka Suigetsu besides touching the blade. Not even Bleach’s own internal rule of superior reiatsu negating hax
@@thefakebriskeh he knows all forms of kido what do you mean it doesnt matter we already seen some and they already stated he knows every kido move we seen in the series and his use it on another level of pppower.
That wouldn’t help Madara actually break out of it, it would just make him aware he’s in KS. Which, unlike in Naruto, is completely useless as you can’t break out of KS even if you know you’re in it without something like the Soul King Amped Almighty
Unohana discerned through her immense medical expertise and thousands of years of experience that Aizen’s body was a “corpse doll” which itself was not even remotely true (experience and knowledge that Madara does not have). Perfect Hypnosis controls all 5 senses perfectly and even goes beyond that as it can directly controls a Shinigami’s Reikaku which allows blind people to perceive and sense the world around them. So no, on no planet is Madara just “seeing” through Aizen’s illusions nor is he breaking it, especially if we’re talking about TYBW Aizen which is massive overkill. But Madara isn’t even a sensory type anyway, so he’s really just completely at the mercy of KS.
She thought it was an exact copy of his body. She used her intuition to surmise that Aizen was a traitor, she couldn't tell that it was KS. KS works on Almighty SK YH, who scales so high above the naruto verse that it isn't even funny. Narutard behavior
Hypocrisy? The video blatantly ignores the fact that all attacks in bleach bypass the healing that edo tensi provides. It's still a fun match up but in no way is Madara taking this.
Madara vs Aizen is going to piss a lot of people off. I'm here for it,
Madara in his weakest form destroys the entire bleach universe and you say something about captains lol.
@@Rudeus94yes
@@Rudeus94 lmao, LoL even
@@Rudeus94 Madaras strongest form barely compares to a captain (eos)...he´s getting his cheeks clapped by any captain
@@ScientologyHunter2fr
It would be in your best interest to not do power scaling ever again. The amount of things you got wrong is absurd
LMAO go easy in him, he a good Kid
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Another youtuber that casually ignores Gremmy creating galaxies, the soul society having stars and hueco mundo having infinite sand...
He literally just did surface level research, absolute clown behavior.
@@sonicstarfighter i've seen his videos
he's triggering people to get more views Typical no talent youtber
@@sonicstarfighterhe didn't do any clown research bro it's just you wankers who just love using non-existent universal scaling for the verse lmao 😷
Casual bleach fan when Universal is not valid
@@bongaloyiso6152 says who, the most basic accepted scaling for bleach is uni💀💀
Edo tensei won't save Madara. Bleach characters attack the soul, something that edo tensei does not help with.
Lmao can you tell me when that was ever shown? they don't attack souls it doesn't even makes sensed bcos we seen alot of people being hurt by hollows but their souls were okay same with humans too of you remember and Chad's soul was still intact after sensui beat him awfully
Also kido based spells also screw him over just seal him
@@gemini.saga3they can attack the soul that's how they purify hollows and states by guidebooks and kubo
@gemini.saga3 THE entire plot if Bleach is based around souls, did you not watch the anime?
@@silvertongue.242_99 madara renerates bro he has ying yang release for that
I think you're a little overestimating being an Edo Tensei's usefulness here.
Yes, the Edo Tensei's regeneration is very op in naruto because the ninjutsu reconstructs their physical body, while their spirit which "piloting" the Edo Tensei is untouchable to the ninjas.
But the Bleach characters can bypass this with their "soul cutter" zanpakuto which directly attacks the soul.
And we seen how that affects naruto characters. Orochimaru couldn't heal his arms even after changing body, because of his missing spirit arms. And after Obito added yin and yang release to the TSO to attack the souls, the Edo Tensei hokages couldn't heal their Edo bodies either.
I would even argue that damaging the soul is super effective against naruto characters because we never seen them heal their souls and by default they can't really do it.
I don't saying that any of the captains would mop the floor with Madara. I just doesn't think that Edo Tensei is that useful against them as against naruto characters.
Tbh madara after absorbing the ten tails was perfect in ever way better than the edo tensei form but this ''soul cutter'' thing I see in bleach debates I just don't understand like it never happened in the anime except when there perform the act on konsou but we literally saw hollows attack people but it didn't work on their soul except being eaten while soul reaper have fought human before but that wasn't implemented in the fight like look back at the rescue arc after declaring team Ichigo as ryokas sensui beat the living shit outta Chad but never his soul got destroyed same with other stuffs things in bleach but not that when facing a human one cut directly goes to their soul.. their bodies are like protective shell not exposed like the the ones with chains on their chests
They also have binding and sealing kido as well
@@silvertongue.242_99 there wouldn't just seal him tho and has kamui to be resistant to it plus izanagi
@@gemini.saga3
hollows are souls, the swords damage them, ergo their soul body.
hollows eat souls to add to their power
sould reapers have not fought humans before besides the quincy (which they fough on Soul society, the spirit world)
During the rescue arc ichigo and his friends WERE SOULS they did not have a physical body on soul society, this even a plot point made on the anime and manga (about how they need to convert into souls to enter the spirit world) all the damage chad and the others took was not to the body but the soul.
@@gemini.saga3Madara does not have Kamui
When I saw the title I genuinely laughed out loud, which is quite a feat. First of all there is a lot of things that you got wrong here but I will humour you and say you're right so we can just oick apart a few key reasons why Madara would lose:
- you gave a lot of reasons why some captains wouldn't do anything to Madara, even Shunsui's bankai, due to the edo tensei body. Except, the zanpakuto attacks the soul directly, thus bypassing any binuses of the edo body
- saying that Mayuri wouldn't have a contingency plan for an immortal being is beyond hilarious. Knowing him, that's probably one of the first things he ever created
- you're also disregarding sealing kido
- saying that Madara could cancel out or see through Kyoka Suigetsu is the dumbest statement ever that many Naruto fans use because they literally can't comprehend how KS works. It's not just an illusion, it literally makes all your senses useless because you perceive things that are not there, that you wish you could see, etc. Even Yuha could not escape it and he has reality bending powers and can see the future and still could not get out of it.
- once Madara's soul is damaged, the gates of hell would appear and drag him in and there's nothing he could do to stop that
- Kamishini no Yari destroys things at a molecular level. What would happen to Madara's edo body is the dame as if it got hit by a truth-seeking orb since the zanpakuto hits the soul.
There's a good chance I'm forgetting some things as I had to watch on and off for a bit so I may have forgot some points.I wanted to bring up
Idk bro the concept of destroying souls that exists in a body already never happened in bleach I mean we see sensui beat the shit outta Chad nothing happened with his soul, for mayuri he needs prep time to do so and madara has alot of rediculous hax which the anime had to close up and kill him earlier, madara would be able to react to most of the sealing kido techniques via precognition and he also has kamui which it just phases through him, okay for kyoka suigetsu let's be frank here.. aizen used kyoka suigetsu on a yhwach with no shrift and the almighty turned of back at his visit with aizen and during the fight again the almighty for yhwach let's him see and altar the future he sees not the power to change the past of when he got affected by it.. that's a long topic if going in depth but the only shrift he had then was the almighty plus the way kyoka suigetsu was shown in the anime is literally honestly not compared to the illusion like the way we see it in Naruto first of it requires an eye contact.. secondly it was said to control the 5 senses but what was shown was confusing your senses but not making you do the thing you wouldn't normally do but genjutsu literally controls them and make it in a way you die from what the user actually wants which was what Itachi actually did with his tsukoyomi he controls the time, space and everything there he gave her an illusion of where she died after leaving like 50+ years with Itachi in the tsukoyomi she died after old age in the illusion and this just happened in secs in the real world.. when I see both Naruto and bleach fans debate about aizen and madara there literally bring arguments about how non of them can resist or bypass it but realistically these characters has far more experience with this since day one while soul reapers have no resistant or way of overcoming it imagine a genjutsu broken like that shisui's amatsukami was still broken by Obito which literally takes over your entire being and rendering you completely ignorant while you feel your doing your normal day stuffs, what am saying there are resistances in the verse than what gotei 13 or anyone shown and without that he has izanagi with his enternal mangekyo to spam for some time plus he has genjutsu too which works too the way kyoka suigetsu would too that's if some people wanna be unbiased about it, back then in the war he literally resisted his soul going back to the dead btw using the gate of hell here idk what to say actually but he had eyes given to negato which he uses hell to revive himself if equalized it's like healing him, Idk bro the concept of destroying souls that exists in a body already never happened in bleach I mean we see sensui beat the shit outta Chad nothing happened with his soul, for mayuri he needs prep time to do so and madara has alot of rediculous hax which the anime had to close up and kill him earlier, madara would be able to react to most of the sealing kido techniques via precognition and he also has kamui which it just phases through him, okay for kyoka suigetsu let's be frank here.. aizen used kyoka suigetsu on a yhwach with no shrift and the almighty turned of back at his visit with aizen and during the fight again the almighty for yhwach let's him see and altar the future he sees not the power to change the past of when he got affected by it.. that's a long topic if going in depth but the only shrift he had then was the almighty plus the way kyoka suigetsu was shown in the anime is literally honestly not compared to the illusion like the way we see it in Naruto first of it requires an eye contact.. secondly it was said to control the 5 senses but what was shown was confusing your senses but not making you do the thing you wouldn't normally do but genjutsu literally controls them and make it in a way you die from what the user actually wants which was what Itachi actually did with his tsukoyomi he controls the time, space and everything there he gave her an illusion of where she died after leaving like 50+ years with Itachi in the tsukoyomi she died after old age in the illusion and this just happened in secs in the real world.. when I see both Naruto and bleach fans debate about aizen and madara there literally bring arguments about how non of them can resist or bypass it but realistically these characters has far more experience with this since day one while soul reapers have no resistant or way of overcoming it imagine a genjutsu broken like that shisui's amatsukami was still broken by Obito which literally takes over your entire being and rendering you completely ignorant while you feel your doing your normal day stuffs, what am saying there are resistances in the verse than what gotei 13 or anyone shown and without that he has izanagi with his enternal mangekyo to spam for some time plus he has genjutsu too which works too the way kyoka suigetsu would too that's if some people wanna be unbiased about it, back then in the war he literally resisted his soul going back to the dead btw using the gate of hell here idk what to say actually but he had eyes given to negato which he uses hell to revive himself if equalized it's like healing him, again the zampactos never did that bro it never once killed a soul existing on a body already we watched the show if you doubt you could tell where it ever happened if you disagree.. it's cool to bring out some points too cus both shows has alot too and bleach also has kido which has some little time control abilities so I preety much know alot about both
You was right on and explain things very well
@@gemini.saga3 you said a lot of things, most of which were a bit of a tangent/rant so I will just address the key things that you put into question or got wrong, hope that's fine:
- all attacks are soul based, as the soul is the embodiment of existence in the world of Bleach. Think of it as it's power system, like chakra in Naruto. It would be redundant showing some different effects when blood suffices for the display of damage. Even then you get stuff like Ichigo's bankai shihakusho representing how much reiatsu he has / had been expended. The clothes are made of reishi just like all other matter thus it is extremely durable. In other words all damage sustained is basically the damage to the soul. After all, everything is "soul" so the sustained damage is in fact shown as soul-damage. In regards to your point and Chad, he was in fact made of reishi. If you remember, on their way to SS, all the humans (Chad, Orihime and Uryuu) had to pass through a special device that converted their kishi (physical matter) to reishi (soul). In other words, Chad was made of reishi so the damage he sustained was soul-based as everything else. To better illustrate this, look to Uryuu fighting Mayuri. As a quincy he could collect the reishi around them and break it apart as even objects are composed of reishi in the spiritual worlds. Similarly, Quilge used this ability and damaged Chad and Orihime by pulling at their souls as they are made of reishi.
- Mayuri requiring prep time is kind of inaccurate. Mayuri is observant and makes fast decisions. He observed the Quincy to come up with counters and he always has things at hand he wants to test. Basically, he's the definition of ass pull but it's still entertaining. Mayuri always has things at hand because that's who he is.
- my point about Yhwach was that even with the ability to rewrite reality, which was shown to destroy things that happened / prevent them from ever happening / nullifying their powers by cancelling them out in the future + the whole higher reiatsu negating hacks, was all inconsequential before KS. People always think there's a way to beat it, to counter it, to negate it, that it won't work, etc. but that's not how the ability works. Once it lands there is nothing else. There is a counter when Aizen still owned a zanpakuto, before his assimilation, but in general and in his current state, KS is perfect (it's even in the name "perfect hypnosis"). Resistance to KS is not a thing.
Everything else was a bit redundant due to all the talk about genjutsu, which does not apply. Unless you'd like me to address a specific point. In such case, please keep it a bit shorter.
Edit: to add to the Almighty. The fact that it wasn't on back then is inconsequential. Due to the nature of it's power he should be able to negate KS even after being hit by it. Except, that's not a thing and thus he could not. That's the point I'm making. Someone like Madara who is nowhere near Yhwach or the Almighty cannot do anything against it either.
@@silvertongue.242_99 glad you enjoyed my little rant haha 😁
@@matus19971 @matus19971 oh yeah that's kinda true forgot bout that, Mayuri has alot of drugs ready on him and proved he can think very fast on his feet but madara with the juubi cloak can't die from it there's literally izanagi or substitution in case that happened or for some reason blitzed he has hax like the genjutsu.. the genjutsus have literally been proved to work on creatures with no chakra and even a robot back then still haven't finished it yet am around like ep 460 rn so idk more and riatsu = yin yang which all is spirit base it manipulates the flow of riatsu/spirit energy the way it manipulates chakra which's stated to be life.
yes aizen had many flaws back then before he fused but what am saying is the Naruto verse has awareness to know when something's wrong unlike the gotei 13 then which aizen danced on since the izanagi wraps reality and madara having inf chakra + enternal mangekyo can use izanagi to remove himself from the likes of hogyoku remember the izanagi was used in several ways the basic way we saw it used was literally erasing everything about that previous body then recreating a new one making him get out and he has literally shown how his eyes detect right from wrong many times with hashirama and even pointed out Naruto from his clones like he was the only one who was able to do that.
now the almighty doesn't give him resistant to powers he saw Ichigo overwhelm him with raw power then he decided to break his bankai before he became he attacked from the future, KS destored his vision of the real Ichigo which still appears like that in the future due to him still being under it the almighty doesn't make him overcome thay, no madara doesn't win against yhwach lol but he has izanagi and izanami to survive since it affects the past and another keeps on repeating the occasion still has limbo which idk he can see but not saying he wins
DON'T COOK AGAIN !!!
YOu should change the title to, can madara even damage a single captain
Right With FULL CAPs too LMAOOO
You saying that madara has no spiritual pressure feels like a cop out since there has to be some sort of verse equalization
Worse than a cop out, if you really say he has no spiritual pressure then he just automatically dies in the Gotei’s presence since he doesn’t have any high level soul manipulation resistance feats that even basic soul manipulation gives you
Someone as ‘weak’ as Tatsuki with just a tiny bit of spiritual energy was able to resist Yammy’s soul manipulation better than people like KCM Naruto and Killer B could resist Nagato’s soul manipulation
Madara would lose anyways. But there is a verse equalization. Its in the same way that people think Vader can beat Superman because the Force is magic and Superman is weak to magic. Its stupid. The verses scale equally. And IMO chakra, ki, spirit energy, nen, reiatsu etc. etc. all scale the same. They are all effectively the same with one using different mechanical attributes over the other. In this case reiatsu or at least the force/pressure aspect does not matter. It doesn't in Bleach anyways. All it did was become a psuedo scouter. A person with low spirit energy but high spiritual pressure was inherently more dangerous than the opposite because of how much energy can be released at one time
I don’t use verse equalization in my content since SBA means it’s an entirely random encounter where the combatants have no prior correlation or knowledge of each other, so there would be no reason to correlate the characters powers to each other
@@DiegosBloodsprayeven without verse equalization, it stated in naruto that chakra is formed from the physical energy and spiritual energy of the user. There is the yin release (spiritual energy) and yang release (physical energy). In bleach, any human that are spiritually aware or posses a small amount of spiritual energy can see and interact with shinigami. We literally see sasuke seeing itachi soul when he was released from the reanimation justu or when itachi used the totsuka blade to seal nagato soul as well even obito telling rin that chakra is a power that connect both the physical and spiritual world and used his chakra to grant kakashi his mangekyo abilities for a limited time as long as he was still in the physical plane before he went back to the after life and kakashi lost the sharingan forever. So even without verse equalization, chakra will clearly interact with bleach characters like any other character. And with the exception of Yamamoto and aizen, madara defeats all the captains here.
@olagokeemmanuel9625 while I agree that this scenario does not require any heavy verse equalization and that you've described very well the mechanics of spiritual abilities in Naruto, I'd have to disagree with your stated outcome. For me it's down to the actual power systems. It seems like for the level of attacks that an individual in Naruto can do, it cost significantly more chakra to create the same impact as it does spirit energy for bleach. While Madara has a large amount of chakra for his verse and can easily clear mountain scapes, most captains also do this casually in banki. Add in the fact that zanpoktou might permanently damadge his susanoo, and visual abilities can actually be blocked with kido like bakudo #81, the average captain is much better equipped to deal with edo madara than any of the kage, setting aside that you're adding in potentially 8 more combatants, some of which are leagues stronger than the average captain.
Honestly, Madara gets slept by a side character. Like that one guy with the sniper rifle in TYBW
Bro that’s a schutzstaffel 😭😭
@DiegosBloodspray royd would beat madara (his shrift turns him into anyone he wants with 80 percent of there power) atleast that's what kubo said in an official qna
Well that was... wrong
I’m sorry but Madera is getting no diffed by Yamamoto when he’s in Bankai. Do you really think the susano or Maderas regeneration will be able to counter a blade that’s 15,000,000 degrees.
Exactly. If Mei's Boil Release could melt Madara's Susanoo, it would melt like hot butter in the mere presence of Zanka no Tachi
1 armed, old yamamoto who's thousands of years out of his prime is destroying Madara with just his shikai alone. You could even include all the hokage to help Madara and yamamoto still easily beats them.
bro loses to pretty much all of them sadly.
Your high on crack if you think Madara can beat a single gotei 13 member let alone all 13 at the same time.
There were honestly many questionable things from the arguments presented in this video. But I'll just tackle one aspect and that is the Aizen vs Madara segment, as I don't feel like going over every other character.
Strength: Madara felt overestimated, when he is mentioned of being a planet buster, but when he has no feats of such displaying that kind of power and loses to other characters with similar statements, in fact, I found raw translations of this scan that specify that it isn't referencing the planet, just the society whenever translated directly (which makes sense with lore and the purpose of the Bijuu). Otherwise, I'm fine with Madara being around country level or continental, considering feats like his meteors (that also destroyed his body) are that level or the fact the 10 Tails has that level of power of being continental, but that's just around the level of Espada at a casual level, and Aizen up scales massively, and it gets worse with Madara's planetary levels of power considering how hyped Uzuhiko was to bust the planet and it was trouble for far stronger characters like Code. If we grant Madara the Kurama statements, its fair we give Aizen Sogyoku scaling provided by Ichigo, and give the full on planetary ap it would get by vaporizing (even a Kido Cannon in the first movie, which destroyed an entire dimension with a star in it, can be calced to star level, and the souls coming together to create it as a whole is calced at large planet level, and the Sogyoku should up scale from both), and in AOE, Ichigo can affect the whole planet with his spiritual pressure. Meaning in both regards, Aizen is stronger.
Speed: I am not as much lenient with light speed Naruto, with anything like Kirin stating Akatsuki characters would have trouble evading, and the Light Speed Teleporter debunks many things such as:
-Raikage being light speed, as he would need it to travel all that (the databooks also use the kanji 'gotoki' which is more figurative).
-Tsunade needing a healing factor to survive the transportation, not her physical durability, also supports it considering what was said.
The same could apply to Aizen as well, but he is far more consistent. The best calc for the Naruto Raikage blitz is around 72 times light speed, but the more consistent ends get it to 10 to 20+ times light speed, Aizen meanwhile is drastically faster than Aaironeiro who blitzed light at 63% to 4 times light speed, then he blitzes Shunsui+other Captains all at once, Shunsui who evaded Starrk's Cero at a speed of 75 times light speed. So Aizen is honestly faster, as he also has Shunpo to help him out.
Spiritual absorption: This is honestly the most overrated aspect of the whole thing, because on multiple occassions, souls were presented to resist soul absorption. A good one would be Mayuri resisting the Quincy's superior form of absorption compared to Rinnegan's, in which they deconstruct matter then they absorb it at the sub atomic level, and Mayuri was able to resist it just fine, or how Yammy used Gonzui that absorbed the souls of many members of Karakura Town, yet he couldn't absorb Tatsuki. I think this is a pretty direct means to counter soul absorption if that's Madara only way to take them down.
Genjutsu vs Kyoka Suigetsu: This one will be the most controversial, but I wanna express it regardless. Outside the fact Aizen is stronger than Madara by feats, their two illusion abilities are drastically different. Genjutsu works by controlling the Chakra Network in the body and then it leads to the control of the 5 senses. The problem with saying Aizen would get affected by it is that Aizen doesn't have a Chakra Network in the same applicable matter as for Genjutsu Chakra to work, his Reiatsu flow is different, as there are vents in the Shinigami's wrist that releases Reiatsu, so basically, this could counter the ability to inject Chakra, as it would just leave the body. But even outside of that, its explained in the series that the mind is one with soul, meaning somehow, Madara must have a means to have Genjutsu work at a spiritual level, but we see blatantly that with Infinite Tsukuyomi it doesn't work on Edo Tensei, so that could prove trouble, but even ignoring that there are more ways around it, such as the fact Genjutsu works on the 5 senses, but with Reikaku the Shinigami have a 6th spiritual sense, which Madara hasn't been shown to control, so it won't be trouble for anyone. But let's pretend somehow Madara can affect it, there are still more ways around it, as we see Giselle has a mind hax ability with her The Zombie, and we find out that with stronger foes, she needs to use more blood to control them, as their Reiatsu level diminishes the effects, and considering how much Aizen has and his control over it, he could overpower it.
Vs Kyoka Suigetsu, the Sharingan wouldn't be able to see through it, as Kyoka Suigetsu affects all the 6 senses of a Shinigami, so it controls on a more fundamental level than Genjutsu, but even ignoring that, Aizen also does more, Sharingan can see things on the cellular level, Reikaku detects activity on the atomic, as it observes Reishi. Kyoka Suigetsu also doesn't function like Genjutsu, as it doesn't need say: a Chakra Network to function, it just affects the senses directly. These drastic differences would be enough to overcome Genjutsu.
Hax vs hax: I think Aizen takes it easy with just Kurohitsugi, as its torrent of gravity warping space and time and destroying atoms would be enough to completely crush Madara to nothing (which we are shown with Ohnoki's molecular destruction Jutsu, that Madara has trouble handling those kinds of techniques directly), he also has Haien that erases things from existence, Danku to block many long ranged attacks, sealing techniques, and all those affect Madara's soul, which he has no spiritual defenses against (in fact, we are shown directly, such as with Orochimaru vs Reaper Death Seal, that they have trouble with soul manipulation). All of Madara's other hax is pointless (absorption? There is a limit as shown with Naruto, and so Aizen can use big incantation ones. Analytical prediction? Aizen fought people like Ichigo and Kisuke with similar capabilities and Reikaku helps more. Sharingan copying ability? Takes too long and Madara has never performed such a feat in combat. Chibaku Tensei? Aizen can destroy the core with a Kido or be fine with Shunpo. There is more after that, but the point is clear).
There are more I can talk about, like Shunsui vs Madara, I don't think Madara has a way around the games, but that's for another time.
Honestly Madara can't even fight Pre-Muken Kenpachi, hell, maybe even Shinji's reversing hax screw him over. Plus the databooks even stated the Raikage was almost LS, not even LS. There are multiple inconsistencies with Early FTL Naruto, like how Kirin, a lightspeed attack, was impossible for Itachi to dodge and he needed a last-second Susanoo to save him. Plus there's also the fact that Naruto never outpaced Haku or reacted to him, they were all getting clapped and Haku could've decided to kill them there if he wanted to. There's also the matter of how the Naruto Verse treats speed and speed techniques. Shisui wasn't feared for his Kotoamatsukami itself, but also his mastery of the body flicker technique, and it's why every major village had a flee on sight advisory against Minato. Shunpo is a basic Shinigami art that literal fodder can use, and Ichigo with far less experience compared to masters like Yoruichi, could spam it and achieve similar if not identical effects to Body Flicker.
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 honestly, Shinji’s illusions would fuck with Madara, cause it has similar effects to KS, but the hax doesn’t work via sight, it sends an aroma that the target smells and then are put under it. Remember Pain vs Frog Song? Same deal basically.
If I am being honest, someone like Unohana would be more than enough to beat up Madara just by feats alone.
Light speed Naruto is WAY too inconsistent before Sage of Six Paths, and it’s nowhere near as fast as the higher end Bleach feats.
Crazy how a God tier in Naruto is just a mid to high tier in Bleach.
The french translation for "hyperspace" fully translates to "a dimension beyond 3 dimensions" accurately so you're wrong.
The skeletons are used to tire out yamas opponents, imagine having to fight a trillion skeletons. Even if you kill 1000 of them with each of your swings, you will die of exhaustion long before you could kill all of them.
Idk those skeletons are extremely weak with the kind of uzumakis like chakra madara got or using his edo form which gives him unlimited chakra he just makes a near infinite clones and make them use susano + swords like without using his other abilities spamming clones and meteors (the first one he did on his first appearance) non stop and being immortal's kinda crazy
@@gemini.saga3 Madara is fodder ngl, get him past a third seat
@@andresmartinez6053 atleast saying this if it makes you happy so be it ig
@@gemini.saga3 😽😽
If you said SS arc Captains vs Madara, you might have a case for Madara beating most besides Kyoraku, Ukitake, Unohana, Aizen and Yamamoto, but since you’re using the FKT Captains, Aizen doesn’t beat any of them, they scale too high
The ‘weakest’ captains like Soi Fon and Toshiro scale above Halibel and Barragan in terms of raw stats.
And the SAFWY confirms that Barragan’s Respira is stronger than R2 Ulq’s Lanza. Soi Fon’s Bankai can overpower Respira, and when Starrk compared Toshiro’s Bankai to Soi Fon’s, he was more impressed with Toshiro’s display of power. So in terms of raw AP, even Toshiro and Soi Fon scale high above Ulq’s Lanza
Speed wise, the FKT Gotei is MFTL to MFTL+, as Espada 3 and up scale well over 1000x Substitute Shinigami arc Ichigo and SS Arc Uryu that have Relativistic feats, the SS Arc LTs that dodged light, and Espada 9 who also dodged light
And stronger captains like Kyoraku, Unohana and Yama etc still scale the same in FKT as they do in the 1st Invasion and thus scale to people like Robert, post Fullbring Arc Zaraki and Royd. (Kyoraku scales higher in the 2nd invasion, the others die ofc)
Speaking of, SAFWY Zaraki who’s weaker than Fullbring Arc Kenny is strong enough to destroy the Dangai along with Azashiro. Which is called a hyperspace, but is at the worst lowball planetary
Edo literally doesn’t help at all since Bleach characters attack the soul directly. Rinnegan Soul hax is ineffective since even people as weak as Tatsuki have soul hax resistance feats beyond the Rinnegan Soul Hax in the form of resisting Yammy
Without verse equalization, Genjutsu is useless as the Captains don’t have chakra while Spiritual Energy is even more deadly since it’s been shown to affect things which don’t have or even interact with spiritual energy on a conceptual level, though that was transcendent spiritual energy to be fair. Spiritual Pressure specifically affects physical things in addition to the soul as well
With verse equalization it’s still bad for Madara since Genjutsu could work, but Bleach characters neg the hax of beings far weaker than them, and Madara, while he would be granted more soul hax resistance than he does in Naruto, wouldn’t scale to the captains tier of soul hax/resistance, and they can damage each other for the most part
gotta be honest with you bro sorry but there's literally alot of bias and head canon on your comment like MFTL ? idk you really know what that actually means for a character and SS ichigo was literally stated to be sound speed also the same databooks contradicted light speed for byakuya which people call him a ftl character.. these guys you give ftl+ - MFTL+ statements to uses a accelerated run techniques to be fast like shumpo or the flash step which uses to cover short distances and in no way an actual real speed bcos i can literally bring canon source of MFTL+ speed in Naruto/boruto verse which doesn't exist in bleach like otutsukis travelling from another universe down to earth to confirm the chakra affecting the space time (Naruto) or when madara dodged an instant technique like the flying raijin, now your last statement's about energy madara scales above kcm2 Naruto who with half chakra and half of kurama shared chakra to atleast 3k members of the war still even performing well in battle too also absorb the transforming tentail which it's lowest form was already calc as to have the energy of a small planet which doesn't exist for the gotei 13 except aizen and yamamoto's riatsu remember that was an incompleted ten tails while the fully evolved ten tails back then was what created Naruto universe which was the one hagoromo absorbed now madara absorbed the god tree with an intense chakra which the size is comparable to the planet no one knows what extent of power he reached but with just only absorbing the ten tails was able to summon forth himself from other existence after the god tree the author had to make him die since there was no actual way to kill him anymore bleach focuses on overwhelming weaker opponents while Naruto focuses it on performing things with and using battle iq to overcome power gaps too.. bro idk why mostly bleach fans love downplaying this verse tho I recently finished both shows and I say he takes the gotei 13 captains out except the likes of aizen which's debatable too not yamamoto would win when fighting juubidara bro he has alot of counters to zankai no taichi all forms and has alot of hax which would guarantee the victory.
@@gemini.saga3 in regards to speed in Bleach:
- we've seen fodder espada like Arronierro dodge literal light. Arronierro, who is a Gillian (an abnormal one for sure but still an extremely low ranking hollow. Literally the bottom if the Menos scale) and was beaten by Rukia who at the time was extremely weak. The victory is not your standard win but still. Arronierro is not impressive by any means and still has a Lightspeed feat under his belt.
- Zommari was able to be in two places at once with how fast he was moving
- there's a great video on Ichigo covering the distance between SS and the Soul Palace. I cannot link it due to YT rules but hopefully you can find it. It goes into some insane numbers.
Bleach characters are absolutely insane when it comes to speed.
@@matus19971 I know about Ichigo own but that doesn't applies to the rest of the verse as to what people thinks like speed calc for bleach are misleading most times but Naruto specifies it too.. back in the hiden novels he dodged stray of light beams while being sick still able to catch high soeed rods coming from a timeless dimension far smaller than atoms which even Sasuke's Byakugan can't even see, even haku was confirmed ftl too despite being the first arc of the show.
@@gemini.saga3lightning speed not sound speed
@@gemini.saga3Sharingan not Byakugan
narutards got narutard as expected. madara would literally get vaporized the moment he steps up to a single 3rd seat member of any of the 13 squads. the scaling between the 2 verses is like night and day. all soul reapers directly attack the soul and just their spirit energy alone is said to be able to kill anyone significantly weaker than them especially if they have no resistances to spiritual energy.
Madara resisted his soul being pulled back into hell, you can get both verses to universal lol, name an instance there attacked the soul even fodder characters like Chad were beaten by soul reapers and espadas nothing happened, yh and this last one one's completely biased this's always the argument this particular fandom has non of the captains except aizen has enough energy as madara he already has an insane amount of chakra being edo later absorb a developing ten tails which energy's regarded as a planet of it's own and later absorb the god tree to make it worst.. captains have no form of physical stats as madara or enough energy output as madara or even proved DC which's comparable to madara out of the world feat so try again 👇
@@slatt.teddy3 a very amazing display of being a narutard👏👏👏.
@@davidrojas8210 first of I never said I was a fan of Naruto and secondly I just said something to try proving me wrong you just can't and started insulting on the show? okay now give me an accomplished feat you bleachtard 😷👇
@@davidrojas8210don't care you bleachtards are dumb with your entire trash you call anime 😂
@@davidrojas8210you have no argument lmao both fanbases can be annoying but you are showcasing why the bleach fandom is so infamous
The Bleach verse is shitting on Madara, regardless of which form you use. Even if you wanna wank Madara to multiplanetary (somehow), he is still getting one shot by Kenpachi for example.
I clicked this video just to read the comments because the concept is absurd to me, and I was right😂😂😂
No version of Madara is getting past even Soi Fon with her shikai, let alone the whole group... He gets blitzed and 2 tapped to death instantly.
edit: just to put things into perspective for anybody that doubts this, Yammy at his weakest, while merely trying to catch his breath accidentally swallowed up hundreds of souls while on Earth for the first time.
All it took to dispel Edo tensei was to seal their bodies to release the soul... bruh, Yammy breathing negs Madara 😂
The oh so "forbidden S class Jutsu" called the Reaper death seal, that was is a threat to every top tier in the verse would be the equivalent of fodder hollows like Orihime's brother in the earlier arcs of Bleach, heck it's even much weaker as Orihime's brother with just a piercing attack could separate the soul from the body instantly whereas the Shinigami in Naruto takes time to do so.
This is a crazy match up, seriously.
The very first kido we're shown in the manga was Rukia sealing Ichigo with some basic sealing kido, and when Ichigo tried to break it, she literally warned him to stop otherwise his soul would be destroyed.
Let me stress that, A BASIC SEALING KIDO SPELL IN CHAPTER 1.
It's crazy that in 2024 we still need to have these conversations about how Naruto fans can't seem to get over the fact that Bleach is just superior when it comes to powerscaling.
you have to be retarded in order to make these kinds of arguments 😭 but leave it to the Bleachtards man.
First off, the point of Edo Tensei is simply to bring back souls in physical form to fight as soldiers. You would have to prove that Yammy could swallow a soul out of their bodies. This would be too hard for him, as even KCM1 Naruto could interact with his soul and stop Nagato from extracting it. What would stop Madara from doing the same?
Idrc about your point on reaper death seal, as characters who would be high tiers in Bleach in pure stats, Kurama, were sealed using the Reaper Death Seal from weaker people like base, injured Minato 😭. Madara is sealing people away.
Also you have brought up 0 amounts of evidence to prove that Bleach > Naruto in power. Let me make it easy for you. First, let’s equalize speed since in both verses you can easily get both to be very far into mftl+ and I don’t feel like arguing that. Anyway, Jubidara would scale above the likes of the 10 tails. The 10 tails, in the manga, is stated to be some sort of creation god, and in the databooks, is stated to be a fragment of the god tree that created the universe. The 10
tail’s true form IS that divine tree, which Madara absorbed. Not to mention, Madara scales to Naruto who can damage Kaguya, a being who created spacetimes. Obito in chapters 683-685 calls her dimensions spacetimes, which are 4d constructs made up of the fusion of time and space. This is a “universal+” feat. Madara would scale to this level of power (he isn’t stronger than Kaguya, but is relative to someone relative to her, which chain scales him to this level of strength). At the very least, he should be above the ten tails and the divine tree.
Good luck getting anybody in Bleach to this level 😭 Muken isn’t infinite, the databooks proves that it only tricks people into believing it is, CFYOW has been mistranslated to make people think that the realms are universes, and Ywach CANT destroy the 3 realms, he just removes their barriers so they can destroy themselves by fusing into each other.
Im tired of people being brainless and making retarded claims like “no form of Madara can beat Soi Fon” 💀💀💀 when you can’t even think to research on the other verse, let alone your own. What a stupid Bleachtard😭
I agree but I'll be honest. Madara himself does scale to Bleach characters. Saying he would be defeated by Suzumebachi or even a basic Kido spell is wild. Soi-Fon is not that fast or rather she IS but saying Madara doesn't have comparative speed or does not have the tools to stop her is silly and you know it.
Yammy is also a joke. Never use him for anything. His only power is to get really big. And we've seen Madara make light work of colossal creatures. His Susanoo that can one shot mountains casually is more than enough to beat Yammy. But of course this isn't about the Espada who are overall weaker than Captains anyways
That SAID every other Captain would destroy Madara that its not even funny. All of Madara's advantages doesn't even compare.
If you look at his strongest version like Juubidara stuff like the Truth Seeking Orbs doesn't apply. I assume it doesn't do the same to reiryoku as it does flesh and blood.
Limbo clones - if they have a soul - also a bust.
The only true advantage are those techniques of the Rinnegan are about the only W skills he has and even then I think only the Deva Path and Preta Path. Any path that has to do with souls are pointless.
It just feels like even if you compare relative feats. Yes Madara and by extension every other SS+ Shinobi in the Madara world are mountain and city busters. Its hard to see in Bleach because characters aren't booming everything compared to Naruto. But that's not where power lies in Bleach. Its all about skills and constitution. The moment you show stuff like Kenpachi surviving the vacuum of space and cutting meteors in half that became a wrap for any Naruto character
@@Monty2289 Yammy can also break mountains in half. His output of destructive energy is probably much higher than Madara seeing as how he is literally the Espada with the most reiatsu at his peak
@@everdream4200madara can literally go into space face the earth and spam meteors even of you argue speed eventual one touches it it's gonna be a problem bro has planetary DC after absorbing the still developing ten tails recorded as planetary and absorbed a god tree to make him even more crazier plus posess hax like reality wrap and rewrinding time itself
@@slatt.teddy3 The shinigami unironically have a glove that one taps him if they touch him by immediately separating his soul from his body. He can't use jutsu in that form and would be a very powerful, but ultimately helpless soul, as he'd still be bound to his chain of fate, and most of his abilities and power are tied to his body.
I love the idea of madara and shunsui playing mf games the whole fight 😂 bro
I wouldnt hold these positions for the reasons you presented but i agree with the conclusions you came to the way you presented your arguments. Good video man
Self-Contradictory video with loads of gassing up for Fraudara, on top of a severe lack of understanding on Bleach power scaling.
4:16 that part of the letter is true it was comfrimed in the light novel SAFWY when azashiro intended to uses it
The answer is no
Yama’s Bankai is a literal star, madara isn’t star level even with the biggest wank. Not to mention it’s a stronger version of Yama and Kenny would one shot
Dude, this isnt a fight, i hate when naruto fans wank up yhe verse to fight against the bleach verse.
Madara wins no one hear
Hey man i love the way you explain things in your videos i saw the naruto v ichigo one it really made a lot of sense don't let what the fans say sway you good word👍🏾
This is a real video? Bleach and Naruto characters don't even scale properly. Foot solders with an asauchi destroys A-tier Naruto characters while anyone 3rd seat or higher destroys everything else.
I made it to Toshiro and just couldn't. Hyorinmaru is a weather control Zanpakuto. I get that's in the semantic sense but ultimately not just "It makes ice. The end" When you compare how he fairs against a fire user look no further than Bazz B who only had the advantage because Hyorinmaru's bankai was sealed. With with it Bazz B doesn't stand a chance. My point is while Madara had a whole bunch of techniques that could probably beat Toshiro fire is not one of them.
The kids in this comment section are genuinely pathetic, who cares about if he wins or not. Yet you still see bleach fans crying
Pretty sure it's anime fans in general. Naruto fans get equally up in arms when one peice fans say "chopper dog walks the akatsuki" or something along those lines.
One ninja guy vs gods of death who will win hmmm….
This video is full of misinformation bleach characters attack the soul so Edo Madara will be able to be killed or destroyed. New year and new bleach downplay like usual.
Seek help😂
Dog you should probably get another person from the scaling community to do Bleach for you, like I'm not trying be rude but, you clearly just did surface level research for both, but surface level doesn't work for Bleach.
A lot of the comments already call out how little you actually care about Bleach, like how don't you know Soul Reapers attack the soul directly bypassing physical durability, bro if it's to hard to scale then either get someone else to scale it for you or stop covering Bleach all together.
It's crazy to me how many people in the Vs/Scaling community bite off of Bleach for views, then low ball It's scaling. Your channel won't get far with the lazy scaling.
But hey! Naruto scaling is easy, so you did a good job on it. Can't wait to see Aizen lose too 👍
I’m aware that zanpakuto attack the soul, it’s literally in the name, but I also provided examples of how Naruto characters have astral awareness and defense, and chakra itself is spiritual in nature as well so there was no need to address it any further in the video
I heard, but you seem overly Adamant that Madara nearly indestructible to most captains; yet he isn't.
Go look at @jocoolshow comment, he knocks out of the park, it perfectly lays it out.
Look while I don't expect you to scroll through comments all day, you should stop avoiding the comments that clearly counter your argument.
Whether the common is mean or not, you should take it in as insight. Also don't be one of those people who's afraid change their opinions, that's why alot of other scalers suck or die off.
@@DiegosBloodsprayyou are the most biased Naruto Fanboy I ever seen in my whole life when is the last time that you think Madara Uchiha stand a chance against the captains from bleach they fought the Quincy's for goodness sake you need to go back and read the Manga please cuz you're an idiot your knowledge will bleach is very bad and it's starting to piss me off just a little bit
@@DiegosBloodsprayboohoo head Cannon Kenpachi Zaraki destroyed Madara Uchiha no contest this video is fake as hell what are you doing son stop we already know you ain't that bulshit stop knowing that Naruto characters like that don't really stand a chance let's just keep it real there's no scaling when you already know it all comes down to techniques nothing in this world is perfect
he said toshiro bankai got melted by yamamatos bankai which is stupid because its stated that his bankai is 15 million degrees and is almost like the sun whereas madaras fire jutsu is no where near as hot and would be rendered useless. Tbh toshiro from thousand year blood war would solo madara and it wouldnt be close. When fighting bazz B who countered yamamotos flames with his own toshiros flames didnt melt.
A lot of power scalers like the idea of Aizen and Madara being comparable, thus they support the idea that Aizen would beat the Shinobi alliance and that Madara would defeat the gotei. However, comparing Aizen defeating the gotei 13 to Madara defeating the kages and alliance does not work.
These battles have crucial differences to consider when comparing them.
1. Part of the Gotei 13 was defeated by Aizen after they fought 3 espadas, 10+fraccion, 1 ex captain, and Ayon. Meanwhile, the kages loss to Madara after being healed and mostly restored.
2. Besides the letieunant level characters, none of the gotei members fighting Aizen nor Aizen could/would go all out (due to the nature of their bankais/ ability). Meanwhile, the kages had to go all out to face Madara.
Unless the 5 kages with the alliance could defeat the 3 espadas, 10+fraccion, 1 ex captain, and Ayon faced by the Gotei to then face Madara, Idt Aizen vs gotei 13 is as similar as Madara vs 5 kages
Madera literal goal was to perform the weakest ability of Aziens shikai! He is not clapping majority of the captains. Without having the same power system he is not negating things like Soi fons “suzimeibatchi”! The Susano is literally Kuramura’s Bankai without sharing of wounds! Your just a bias Naruto fan wanting it to be better than Bleach
Well there are a capable of problems with this one, Don't soul reapers or pretty any person with spirtual power in bleach has resistance to soul sucking techniques? such as when Yammy's version of it failed to take Tatsuki's soul?
Not only that but weren't Yamamoto's skeletons capable of blocking Ryoud's fists, who had copied between 70 or 80 percent of the real Yhwach's power?
And what about all the different kido techqinues that the shinigami can use?
Also, Aizen and Madara though powerful are written differently.
Aizen is presented as an unmovable object that can naturally overpower his opponent. Aizen defeated the Gotei, the vizard, Urahara, Yoruichi, Ishin, and Gin by himself (except yamamoto). He stated he’s the only reason espadas were obeying because he’s stronger than they are.
However Madara needed to aquire the power he needed by stealing dojutsu, hashirama cells, manipulating, stealing beast chakras. Madara was defeated before and this time around had to rely on factors such as the cahos created by juubi, on obito and kabuto’s unresolved feelings, Naruto and Sasuke almost dying to distract characters such as the 4 hokages. They arguably would have defeated him earlier in the war if they didn’t have to protect the alliance from juubi then defeat juubito.
I don’t think the version of Madara selected in the video could defeat the Gotei, just like Idt that version could defeat the Akatsuki, nor the espadas. Madara became unstoppable, he wasn’t originally.
All the captains??? Rip Madara and the verse 💀💀💀
kenpachi and yamamoto are the only ones that can contend with madara but even being an edo they have no easy answer to it. bleach caps out at eos shippuden
@@thefakebriskehDude, being an Edo is literally useless against Bleach characters. They bypass the edo's physical regeneration with directly attacking the soul.
@@thefakebriskehnah dude literally all the captains outscale madara heavily even using some lowballed scaling. Edo tensei is useless cus all bleach characters can directly attack the soul
bud just sparked my intriced
Indeed
Madara getting bodied by the weakest captain ngl
Can you elaborate bcos saying that you needs proof to back up your statements which I think involves this bs ''soul reapers attack souls''
@@gemini.saga3 hope u know as early as the soul society saga in bleach the captains were literally planetary level and then proceeded to get stronger throughout the series
@@gemini.saga3 n I dunno what the soul reaper attack souls is💀 bleach fans who say that be capping
@@DontAskMe10 planetary care to elaborate on that? madara's literally has accomplished planetary feat and with scale goes higher than that.. just wanna see the planetary feats from them
@@DontAskMe10 honestly thought was only me tho but cool
3 days walk from side to side is not a country. You're gonna make it 30-40 miles in 3 days, tops. If that's a country it's Luxemborg.
It was a 3 day walk from where they were to the nearest entrance.
Pls make a vid on sukkuna vs shigaraki ?
crazy thing is , the9tails has hada stray bijuu bomb hit earth... it destroyed a mountain. crazier thing is, the fact that naruto isnt a planet buster WITH kurama shows that while they are strong , kurama was NOT A PLANET BUSTER😂
Fr. Dangai ichigo was literally erasing mountains by swinging his sword 💀 naruto fans trippin
Madara sensing yeah but to say that orochimaru or Naruto can see spirits because of jutsu that allows the demon spirit of the seal to be seen and the soul. So using Thai as evidence is dumb
This whole video is a joke 😂
You used the weakest versions of the captains
You wanked Madara's speed by amping it but didn't mention the amount of amps that will increase the captains speed
Kenpachi, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Byakuya are all faster and stronger than Madara
You sure underestimated all the captains.
Yeah Madara can beat few captains like kensei, soi fon, but not all
the only captains that can compete with edo madara stat wise is aizen yamamoto and kenpachi and neither of them have easy answers to physical imperviousness and unlimited chakra. visual illusions also dont work against the uchiha
@@thefakebriskeh sorry but aizen's kyoka suigetsu will work even on God level being like yhwach, it even affected him after he absorbed soul king it is not like normal genjutsu , adult toshiro with slap him he has power of nullification, yama(centre of the sun) , byakuya( billions of blades), gin (god killing spear), kisuke(smartest with legendary bankai), yoruichii(flash god) , shunsui( theatre sucide bankai) , dono ukitake bankai, Rukia...
@@thefakebriskehPhysical imperviuosness literally doesn't matter. Bleach characters just would directly attack his soul
@@thefakebriskehEdo Madara is FTL to FTL+ (scaling above the Raikage with Onoki’s speed amp) with Large Country to Continental scaling for scaling above the Biju
The FKT Captains range anywhere from MFTL to MFTL+ (due to the weakest ones scaling above Ulquiorra via scaling to Halibel and Barragan and R2 Ulq with multipliers being over 1000x people like Espada 9 or the LTs from the SS arc who dodged light ), with Multi Continental (scaling above Ulq, Halibel, Barragan etc) to Small Planet Level AP (Shikai Yama scaling to Royd who had 70-80% of Base Yhwach’s power) if we’re not taking into account Yama’s Bankai and restricting him to Shikai
lmfao this whole video title and channel funny asfk .
Bruh madara isn't beating the top 4 espada let alone the captains 😂
Unfortunately he can probably beat Ulq depending on if you use the Scaling from Hellverse or not. If you do, hes not
Grimmjow victim
Even if we’re disregarding that soul reapers naturally counter edo tensei Madara is likely getting stopped at by Mayuri, kenpachi, Unohana if she’s allowed in, but he’s taking an L to Yamamoto.
Madara would see Urahara’s counter ability as something familiar and treat him like a discount hashirama. For that reason I don’t see him being able to beat Madara but I’m giving Mayuri the chance.
10 tailed Madara probably just Mayuri or Yamamoto but then I’m leaning Madara for the win over the captains 1v1
Base Madara vs Shinji would be a fun fight. Shinji has no way to finish the fight and Madara would win but it would be an interesting one.
The rest of the captains just get roflstomped
lmao no they don't
Lmao wtf, Gin literally disintegrates him, and ur giving Mayuri a "chance" but not Urahara? Madara would get stomped by Askin and Pernida lmao, also its stated that Urahara IS smarter than Mayuri and he has proven it himself several times. Kenpachi bankai cutting through anything, Toshiro literally froze Gerard, Byakuya stomp Madara obv, Shunsui bankai sure as hell would solo Madara without any struggle, Lille Barro literally solos the Narutoverse lmao. Rukia absolute zero gg
pretty sure from Byakuya and above everyone can beat that version of Madara, Byakuya definitely isn’t slower
Hado 54: Haien. You should know this bro. Madara had no chance even to nanao because of that. They’d never use it because of the balance of souls cycle. And if genjustsu should work on Bleach, so Reiatsu crush/negate should to bro. It’s like you literally say “Bleach powaaa system f*ck daaa let’s just use Naruto powaa system” scaling doesn’t work like that brother.
Wait… is this video specifically Soul Society arc captains? Ok, I can accept this comparison with these assumptions. That said, from Mayuri upwards… I would say it is the opposite, that Madara could win with high difficulty. From Shunsui upwards… the captain’s bankais simply rolfstomp Madara.
Lacking reiatsu means lacking a soul… so Madara being a living creature definitely is affected by attacks that directly attack reishi/souls such as Shunsui’s bankai, claiming the Edo Tensei lack’s Reiatsu is irrelevant at best or a crippling weakness at worst(in that it would provide zero defense against spiritual attacks)
Me when im a naruto fan which automatically makes me be biased and incapable of scaling
naruto gets more chakra when he goes KCM2, but doesnt have a single feat that shows him being considerably faster than in KCM1. Thus characters like say shikamaru or tenten do not become x3 faster than war arc kakashi just by getting the cloak.
Here we go, hardest Naruto glazer strikes again and sullies our beatiful world with his godawful scaling and bias. Sit down lil'bro, you aint impressing no one with our trash takes.
I can give you the short answer which is no, and it isn't eve close. Though I could arguments for max power madara being able to fight some of the weaker captains in a 1v1. In a 1v13 fight madara would get smoked.
No
Bruh even Soifon solos the verse 😂😂
Spiritual energy and chakra already basically the same an under verse equalization shunsui's bankai would absorb edo madaras chakra
Madara can literally do the same if you equalize and able to absorb any attack or reflect all with uchiha reflection
@@gemini.saga3 that isn't a thing yes there is a rinnegan ability that can do something similar
Plus he kept using the edo regeneration thing which is meaningless here because soul reapers attack the soul which edo tensei can't regenerate
@@allengrove1864 he didn't use the edo regeneration and he absorbed hashirama sage chakra dry in few secs also absorbed the rasenshuriken and other things can also reflect blasts from sensui that's just his basics tho
@@gemini.saga3 I'm talking about how the guy used edo regeneration as an argument that Madara would win several times
@@gemini.saga3Madara can't escape from Shunsui's Bankai he's definitely getting drained of energy and decapitated
I’m sorry bro. Don’t ever power scale again. It’s clear ur a Madara dock rider and that’s understandable but this extent is just different
How about Akatsuki (Naruto) switching places with Quincy Wandenreich (Bleach).
Akatsuki gets slammed, only one to really get anywhere is obito
Never make a video again🙂😭😏💀💀😜😭
Time skip boruto would've been a better match up
If it wasn't so embarrassingly sad this would be fun af
You should probably delete the video and reupload it April first next year lad
... Can Aizen beat the Gokage? (Shippuden r1/Boruto r2)
You mean naruto right? yes even considering Naruto's not even at the lvl of madara yet
@@gemini.saga3 no. I meant Aizen vs the five kage. ??
@@Meta_Ciphers. as a fan of both it's quite clear how aizen wins lol
Yes he can
Also first
hay didn't you have another comment?
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@@dekatjibrother3915 you know it baby happy new year
@@MrLoops-dq9xt
Tbh im fine with your scaling thru my friend shows me her new powerscailing meta where she think bleach characters are paracusal which destory my normal scaling for bleach but im gonna make an video on this topic. ((Note:i do think bleach beat naruto/buruto verse but come on bleach fans..thats what the channel owner think..dont get all butt hurt if bleach loses.))
Delete ts... its honestly embarrassing how one sided and outright wrong this video is
great video , quick correction shinji doesn't really use illusions its inverting your senses like if you're thinking of running left but end up running left , up becomes down, etc. overall i agree with this naruto genjutsu operates the same way as KS from aizen and i never understood what aizen had on madara who has a far larger arsenal.
Aizen can use more kido's than what we saw him use.
He can use all of them 👍
@@kelvinallen9327 unless we know all of them too it doesnt matter
KS is far more potent than Genjutsu. KS can affect people with 4-D fate manipulation hax that can see an infinite amount of timelines and futures and has power null/reactive evolution for any ability that he’s aware of
On top of that, KS doesn’t work on just a physical level, it affects the soul. So being resistant to illusion hax wouldn’t grant you resistance to KS unless you have proof of being able to guard your soul from perceiving said hax
And on top of that, unlike Genjutsu which can be resisted by pain, disturbing your chakra flow, or other Dojutsu of similar levels, there’s no resistance to Kyoka Suigetsu besides touching the blade. Not even Bleach’s own internal rule of superior reiatsu negating hax
@@thefakebriskeh he knows all forms of kido what do you mean it doesnt matter we already seen some and they already stated he knows every kido move we seen in the series and his use it on another level of pppower.
One word answer? Hogyoku.
At that point of story unohana could spot an imperfection in aizen illusions. Let alone madara with a sharingan
unohana being able to deal with genjutsu though debatable even if granted doesnt give her much of an edge regardless
That wouldn’t help Madara actually break out of it, it would just make him aware he’s in KS. Which, unlike in Naruto, is completely useless as you can’t break out of KS even if you know you’re in it without something like the Soul King Amped Almighty
Unohana discerned through her immense medical expertise and thousands of years of experience that Aizen’s body was a “corpse doll” which itself was not even remotely true (experience and knowledge that Madara does not have).
Perfect Hypnosis controls all 5 senses perfectly and even goes beyond that as it can directly controls a Shinigami’s Reikaku which allows blind people to perceive and sense the world around them.
So no, on no planet is Madara just “seeing” through Aizen’s illusions nor is he breaking it, especially if we’re talking about TYBW Aizen which is massive overkill. But Madara isn’t even a sensory type anyway, so he’s really just completely at the mercy of KS.
She thought it was an exact copy of his body. She used her intuition to surmise that Aizen was a traitor, she couldn't tell that it was KS. KS works on Almighty SK YH, who scales so high above the naruto verse that it isn't even funny. Narutard behavior
This is… really bad
Madara > Bleach Universe
Maybe in your dreams
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Madara solos the verse without difficulty
Lol new UA-camr making shit up to make money 😂
Madara vs aizen plox
Madara vs Aizen plsss
Ive never watched this amount of garbage in a long time
wow
Also Second
Lmao
W video. Bro needs more followers. We need to ratio these bleach fans and their hypocrisy
Hypocrisy? The video blatantly ignores the fact that all attacks in bleach bypass the healing that edo tensi provides. It's still a fun match up but in no way is Madara taking this.
madara can beat soi fon, tosen, ukitake, rose, gin, kensei, byakuya, rukia, mayuri and unohana
What about Kenpachi, Yamamoto, and Shunsui?
@@MrLoops-dq9xt idk about kenpachi yam and shunsui they pretty busted in the manga the rest of the captains i mentioned are weak asf
@@MrLoops-dq9xt edo madara although being the weakest madara still has impreviousness to physical attacks so kenpachi is hard countered regardless
@@thefakebriskeh But they all have physical attacks. Why him specifically?
@@thefakebriskehut zanpakto cut souls not just body...
Madara in his weakest form destroys the entire bleach universe and you say something about captains lol.
Delusional
@@cj7011 no lmao
@@christianrowe992Feats proving he can win against yhwach?
@@missteatiddies7382he can’t
Madara too broken
Truly the worst power scaler on UA-cam
Mf couldn’t beat a single captain stop the cope