if you run something similar, he didn't need to repeat cast the kobold from the command zone. With infinite mana you can play Jeska, -x to kill herself repeatedly.
So... what're the odds Jeska+Rograkh will make another showing? I really wanted to pair Jeska off in to another color, but I kindof just love how weirdly synergistic she is with Rograkh. Definitely would like to see a bit more of them.
We tend to avoid repeating decks that have performed well already to try to showcase other stuff. But that doesn't mean we won't play them any more! We have already repeated decks, but it might take some weeks.
You can see Nathan Jones's List, he actually feels like Obeka is a Kess "in disguise" as most of the deck is similar, it just relies better on infinite turns :)
@@VexylObby Well yeah sometimes some decks get ahead and are able to shine more than others. We can't always show everything the deck does in these pods. When the games are short we try to do 2 games to showcase. But eventually Baal or someone else from the channel might play her again ;)
Nice video guys, I really like Jeska, been brewing her w a number of different partners to see what I like. Also appreciate the dbl Krarks, keep up the great work!
omg, I didn't read Jeska thoroughly enough. Totally didn't realize she's an infinite mana payoff. That's pretty spicy. Might have to check this little pairing out for myself!
Isn't the final combo not infinite because of commander tax on Rograkh? Oh, I figured it out; you bounced him to hand for infinite mana, then used the infinite mana to bounce him to Command Zone instead. That's an awesome combo!
Normally you can just recast Jeska over and over and -X the table. However, because of the Bloodchief Ascension triggering every time Jeska died, I had to take this detour!
8:50 Minor misplay, but Mox Amber can't tap for blue, as Sakashima is a copy of Krark and thus is red, not blue. Not that it should have affected anything, as Luis could have tapped lands differently and left an Island open instead of the Mountain. That was an awesome game. It's not often you see two players at 1 life at the same time!
Good catch! It missed us, and indeed he could have tapped differently hopefully not changing the outcome of the game. On a double check it appeared to us it could tap for any color only if you'd control a leg creature. But it actually depends on the color of the creatures you control :)
This is true and a good observation, and we're glad you brought it up in the comments (so others can consider it in the future). Luis noticed it about 1 turn cycle after that play had settled, but it was too late by then!
Love to see Jeska, I'm in the process of brewing with her myself! I just wanted to add that once you have infinite mana there is another line you might have taken, perhaps less complicated: Simply cast Jeska and -X her so that she dies, then proceed to cast her as many times as you need to win the game.
I wanted to do this, but the Ascension would kill be before I could loop that way D: I actually took a bit longer to win that turn because I only remembered I could work around the Ascension in that fashion!
@@pedrosequeira9829 Oh god you are right, Commanders now actually pass through the graveyard before going to the command zone! After so may years it never ceases to amaze me just how much i suck at playing this game :D Btw, it's very sweet that there is a way to play around this type of effects with the little kobold.
@@SuperDomi94 Aha, you don't suck at it, it's still fairly new and not super relevant most of the time. This was one of those moments where it all happened and I had to look for a way out. Little Kobold helped
My head's been spinning think about all the crazy stuff you could do with Krark/Sakashima, I've been thinking that it would probably be cEDH viable but don't play competitively so I wasn't sure. I would built it with some more clones in the 98 than Luis, which might make it less competitive but I wouldn't actually be building it that way so that's fine. Spell clones like Quasiduplicate rather than creature clones like Clone with the hopes of copying the clone and then getting a bunch more clones so I can make a bunch more copies of things like Rite of Flame so I can play and copy things like Lightning Bolt until everyone's dead. No extra turns or cEDH stuff like Lion's Eye Diamond, just lots of card draw, rituals, direct damage, and of course cloning effects.
Well, while that can be a direction you could take, only Spark Double, the old Sakashima and Helm of the Host could help you with that, since all other clones would make the legendary creature be legendary as well. And if someone happened to kill your "true" sakashima, all of those would die as well, since legendary rule would apply again. :) But that's what we aim in the channel, to give different ideas to people on what they can build! That's something you can try out! ;) If you want join us on discord for some brewing, or later discussion on how it came to be a deck like that :)
@@SplitSecond That's actually wrong, if you clone the Sakashima then all those clones will each have the same "the legend rule doesn't apply to you" text. So as long as you target the Sakashima Krark rather than the original Krark with your clone spells it wouldn't be an issue.
@@alexanderforbes1452 Yes that is true but then you are revolving half your deck on one of your partners to be out (and the more costly). Or else you can't use them. I believe there's also an artifact that does the same. You can try it, it just seems that if you have your OG sakashima dealt with a couple of times it ends up being hard to cast him and then all your clones in hand will be kinda stuck.
YES. Love seeing my beloved Krark & Sakashima combo in play. If any of y'all would like to join the Discord to brew this lovely weird pair, please do: discord.gg/BZ5JTSJjzF
Wow, I really love seeing monored deck perform well. Does the little kobold contribute to your gameplan if you don't draw into sword? Like, what's his main purpose in deck?
Hey, thanks a lot, I had a lot of fun building this one. Kobold actually gets more stuff done than you'd initially assume. He gets Mox Amber, Springleaf Drum and Curse of Opulense online from turn one, along with Deflecting Swat. He also triggers Runaway Steam-Kin for free. I've had playtests where I got Forge of Heroes to +1/+1 him on turn 01 and trigger the Spectacle on Light Up the Stage/Grenzo on turn 02. He increases the payoff from Fury Storm with little to no investment, and at times you use him to reduce the cost of Blasphemous Act or get a bunch of mana and burning him up with Jeska (along with two others) to recast both him and the walker at 4+ Loyalty. Finally, he triggers Vault of Champions on cast and, because of Menace, frequently is just adding counters to it for free. Oh, and he makes your Tanglewire a cakewalk :3 There's probably more you can do with him on MonoRed but I'm really happy with how relevant he actually is for the deck.
@@pedrosequeira9829 wow it is such a thorough answer. I really love how you guys put a lot of thought into the deck you build. Thk you. Been a pleasure watching your channel!
@@wirakirros7281 Yeah, I have this weird word association thing where I see the picture of what I mean but my brain goes for random card names. I've called Robber of the Rich "Daring Thief", I've called Jeska "Chandra" a million times, etc. I'm sorry for this mistake, I did mean Tome of Legends!
The best "anglicized" way to easily pronounce "zh" in a Mandarin word is to just pronounce it like a "J". It's a bit different, but that's the easy way for broadcasting. Jingzhou would be like "jing joe"
Doesnt saccing treasure tokens trigger Bloodchief's Ascension ? for example when Sequeira sacs them at 10:21 and probably some other spots in the game? A: Tokens go to the graveyard as regular creatures, and are removed as a "state-based effect" when a player gets priority again. They stay in the graveyard long enough to trigger abilities, like the one of Soulcatchers' Aerie, before they are removed.
Yes you are correct in that tokens hit the graveyard but Bloodchief's Ascension only cares about Cards hitting the graveyard, and tokens are not cards. :)
Awesome session, and great editing work btw. Also, curious to know if David has a new iteration for the Liesa deck given the new sets that have been released after the posting of this video
Would've been over had deafening silence not shut down the extra turns. Too bad David couldn't come up with the win after that. I play Liesa too and slowly waiting for each players life totals to come down from 40 is the worst lol
Liesa needlessly blocking the giant and then giving the obvious sword shock to it to finish it off cost David the game I think. Cloudstone combo doesnt work with Liesa onboard so maybe that block cost him the game.
It sure did, but by then we didn't know Sequeira was about to combo off, and taking out the giant seemed the best block in order to take out card advantage from Sequeira in future turns.
Just think without the knowledge and with your life high it's not worth trading Liesa for Giant, yes card draw is a pain but there is a reason Liesa is the commander, you want her in play, if she's worse than the Giant then fair enough but I dont think so.
Hm, that's a complicated question. I built into a blind meta (I didn't know what my colleagues where building), but I always take stax into consideration when building because of my LGS. So, in a way, I prefer to make decks that aren't as fast as they can be, but are fairly grindy/can deal with stuff like what David put out or dish annoying taxing effects to slow others and give myself room to win. If I were to participate in something like an online tournament in a meta I know 0 of, I believe this deck would not be my first choice.
I have a question: Whenver you sacrifice a token, does it go to graveyard first? If it is the case liesa should have won because of the ascension. Let me know if I am wrong! Nice content though ! I really like your channel!! :)
Tokens are put into the graveyard for what matters death triggers. Then before players receive priority, SBA's will have the token cease to exist. On the other hand Bloodchief Ascension specifically cares for "cards" put into the graveyard, and a token is not a "card" for those purposes. :)
Hi, new to magic, I assume that every time dockside bounce Rograkh to the commander zone, next time he cast Rograkh the commander tax keep adding and will catch up. So how does that work? Thanks
Rograkh is bounced to the hand, so it is once again cast for free, generating increasingly large amounts of treasures, and then use those treasures to cast Jeska repeatedly to kill the opponents :)
CR. 706.10 To copy a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability means to put a copy of it onto the stack; a copy of a spell isn’t cast and a copy of an activated ability isn’t activated. (...) Deafening prevents someone to try to cast more than 1 non creature spell, but copies of spells generated by triggered abilities are put unto the stack directly so they bypass this effect
The second trigger will use its Last Known Information regarding the spell. :) CR 608.2g If an effect requires information from the game (...) If the effect requires information from a specific object, including the source of the ability itself, the effect uses the current information of that object if it’s in the public zone it was expected to be in; if it’s no longer in that zone, or if the effect has moved it from a public zone to a hidden zone, the effect uses the object’s last known information.
There are five permanent types: artifact, creature, enchantment, land, and planeswalker. Being a goblin or kobold is not relevant for Cloudstone Curio. Also he is red because of his color indicator. (the red dot left of the type line) Border color has no rules significance.
The card says "may end the turn". So if you activate it during an opponent's turn it is their choice to end or not, so most likely the opponent will chose not to end his turn. Which makes her just a Sundial of the Infinite on a creature.
Luis could have drawn 2 cards from his Disrupt copies if he had one copy target the other copy (while the original is still targeting the consultation) (edit: rather, the second copy targets the original - the two copies are never on the stack at the same time)
We actually thought about that after the resolution of the stack, but it was done, and that way could be dealt with a mental misstep. So it was safer that way
@@SplitSecond I get that it's an easy thing to miss, but it actually either way of doing it has the same effect vs misstep - the precise order of triggers is: - First, you have the original Disrupt targetting Consultation, and 2 coin flip triggers - First coin flip trigger resolves, comes up heads, and copies disrupt, targetting consultation This is the point where a misstep could be cast (but won't as it there are now 2 disrupts so one misstep would be ineffective). The outcome of the second coin flip also isn't known yet - Then the disrupt copy resolves, counters consultation, and draws a card - Then the second coin flip trigger resolves, comes up heads, and creates another disrupt copy. It can choose to keep the same target (even though it's an illegal target) and fizzle or it can target the original disrupt. I played a lot of Lucky Clover when it was in standard so the precise order of copy triggers comes up a lot
That's indeed correct. When it came up the way the conversation went Luís said he was going to draw 3 because 2 coin flips resolved and Baal pointed out it wasn't that way since after the first resolved the next ones would fizzle, so it didn't crossed our minds to simply change the targets and do it properly as you mentioned ;)
Angel''s grace is a great card on its own being able to stop TO. Ad Nauseam is included as you can net a lot of life with Liesa and other cards. It doesn't mean you will do them both together. Even if you would you can finish with Heliod+ballista for instance.
@@LordRedhand Well, it does seem like a good inclusion, specially if you're going to do it mainphase and if you're tight on mana, as 2 fast mana sources would be enough to win after that :)
@@LordRedhand I personally do'nt like Sickening Dreams. It's not a bad card, but I would rather play a Wrath of God or Damnation and keep the cards in my hand. You can try and playtest it on your list and it might just work out for you. Angel's Grace and Ad Nauseum is for the above metioned reasons.
Nothing wrong with asking ^^ I considered it (and there were also some lines with Priest of Urabrask and Curio, not as good as Snoop lines) but when I tested Snoop, it felt like the pieces didn't accomplish anything by themselves and I was starting to have some loose low impact cards. I know that from a cEDH standpoint I sometimes play with whacky cards (like the oneshot dragons for this deck), but those to me accomplish the goal of killing the table versus stax. The more I streamline just into combo and make the deck more focused into 1-2 ideas, especially in monored and with combos that aren't consistently tutorable, the more a single grind in my gears throws me almost out of the game. I don't like being just a spectator.
@@joshualockett1115 other than the background images, you can change the settings in order to take out the names of the cards and use the set manager to show only certain sets so you can see for instance Dual lands from Unlimited instead of MTGO artwork. We prefer this way as it makes it easier to recognize the cards in the video :) If you want further help with this hit Baal through discord ;)
Are you referring to Curio's interaction? Cloudstone Curio cares about Permanent type. It can bounce lands, creatures, etc (as long as nonartifact). So Rograkh and Dockside don't need to share a creature type (as in, "tribe"), they just both need to be creatures!
I was totally hoping for David to win ....i love that angel
That infinite Rograkh -> Jeska kill is awesome.
Came to say the same
Im wondering if that is his primary / only wincon
if you run something similar, he didn't need to repeat cast the kobold from the command zone. With infinite mana you can play Jeska, -x to kill herself repeatedly.
@@gluegui He most certainly did need to do it with Rograhk due to the active Bloodchief Ascension.
oh thanks. I have smooth brain
Just found this channel today, I'm really enjoying the commentary, as well as the cool decks!
So... what're the odds Jeska+Rograkh will make another showing? I really wanted to pair Jeska off in to another color, but I kindof just love how weirdly synergistic she is with Rograkh. Definitely would like to see a bit more of them.
We tend to avoid repeating decks that have performed well already to try to showcase other stuff. But that doesn't mean we won't play them any more! We have already repeated decks, but it might take some weeks.
I fell in love with Jeska and rograkh thx to you!! Awesome videos keep it up ❤️❤️❤️
Love the preview of the commanders, great game and commentary!
I am so happy you uploaded this I can finally see these new cards in action!
Love to see Obeka. Been looking at building her myself using Kess as a rough base.
Great video!
You can see Nathan Jones's List, he actually feels like Obeka is a Kess "in disguise" as most of the deck is similar, it just relies better on infinite turns :)
We didn't see the Obeka love enough here. :(
@@VexylObby Well yeah sometimes some decks get ahead and are able to shine more than others. We can't always show everything the deck does in these pods. When the games are short we try to do 2 games to showcase. But eventually Baal or someone else from the channel might play her again ;)
DOUBLE OR NOTHING!
The Stax player says “can I play?”
Oh the irony
Nice video guys, I really like Jeska, been brewing her w a number of different partners to see what I like. Also appreciate the dbl Krarks, keep up the great work!
Crazy game, gets me even more excited for Commander Legends! :grin:
omg, I didn't read Jeska thoroughly enough. Totally didn't realize she's an infinite mana payoff. That's pretty spicy. Might have to check this little pairing out for myself!
“Narset, who...?” GOLDEN!! ❤️
Isn't the final combo not infinite because of commander tax on Rograkh? Oh, I figured it out; you bounced him to hand for infinite mana, then used the infinite mana to bounce him to Command Zone instead. That's an awesome combo!
Normally you can just recast Jeska over and over and -X the table. However, because of the Bloodchief Ascension triggering every time Jeska died, I had to take this detour!
Great production! subbed
8:50 Minor misplay, but Mox Amber can't tap for blue, as Sakashima is a copy of Krark and thus is red, not blue. Not that it should have affected anything, as Luis could have tapped lands differently and left an Island open instead of the Mountain.
That was an awesome game. It's not often you see two players at 1 life at the same time!
Good catch! It missed us, and indeed he could have tapped differently hopefully not changing the outcome of the game. On a double check it appeared to us it could tap for any color only if you'd control a leg creature. But it actually depends on the color of the creatures you control :)
What a interesting combo finisher with both cmd!
I wish someone piloted Tevesh Szat. I hope to make a deck with Tevesh and Prava as my commanders.
Can the audience make deck requests? Would love to see the Ur dragon! Love y’all’s work and level of editing
Requests are mostly done by our patrons. But if you jump into our discord you can leave some deck ideas as well and we might be able to pick them up
@@SplitSecond thanks for the info!!
Excellent fight, and glad to see the best commanders won! :P
It was a really cool game!
I bought two jeska's will, can't wait to play them.
It seems like a sweet card.
Jeska's Will is really good
Wow that was actually a really good idea for that deck
Luis could have drawn an additional card from Disrupt, if he had one of the copies change targets to the original disrupt.
This is true and a good observation, and we're glad you brought it up in the comments (so others can consider it in the future).
Luis noticed it about 1 turn cycle after that play had settled, but it was too late by then!
What a fun game! Thanks guys.
Love to see Jeska, I'm in the process of brewing with her myself!
I just wanted to add that once you have infinite mana there is another line you might have taken, perhaps less complicated: Simply cast Jeska and -X her so that she dies, then proceed to cast her as many times as you need to win the game.
I wanted to do this, but the Ascension would kill be before I could loop that way D: I actually took a bit longer to win that turn because I only remembered I could work around the Ascension in that fashion!
@@pedrosequeira9829 Oh god you are right, Commanders now actually pass through the graveyard before going to the command zone! After so may years it never ceases to amaze me just how much i suck at playing this game :D
Btw, it's very sweet that there is a way to play around this type of effects with the little kobold.
@@SuperDomi94 Aha, you don't suck at it, it's still fairly new and not super relevant most of the time. This was one of those moments where it all happened and I had to look for a way out. Little Kobold helped
this game really cemented my desire to build Liesa. I can't wait
The spicy mono red
These decks were SWEET!
My head's been spinning think about all the crazy stuff you could do with Krark/Sakashima, I've been thinking that it would probably be cEDH viable but don't play competitively so I wasn't sure. I would built it with some more clones in the 98 than Luis, which might make it less competitive but I wouldn't actually be building it that way so that's fine. Spell clones like Quasiduplicate rather than creature clones like Clone with the hopes of copying the clone and then getting a bunch more clones so I can make a bunch more copies of things like Rite of Flame so I can play and copy things like Lightning Bolt until everyone's dead. No extra turns or cEDH stuff like Lion's Eye Diamond, just lots of card draw, rituals, direct damage, and of course cloning effects.
Well, while that can be a direction you could take, only Spark Double, the old Sakashima and Helm of the Host could help you with that, since all other clones would make the legendary creature be legendary as well. And if someone happened to kill your "true" sakashima, all of those would die as well, since legendary rule would apply again. :)
But that's what we aim in the channel, to give different ideas to people on what they can build! That's something you can try out! ;) If you want join us on discord for some brewing, or later discussion on how it came to be a deck like that :)
@@SplitSecond That's actually wrong, if you clone the Sakashima then all those clones will each have the same "the legend rule doesn't apply to you" text. So as long as you target the Sakashima Krark rather than the original Krark with your clone spells it wouldn't be an issue.
@@alexanderforbes1452 Yes that is true but then you are revolving half your deck on one of your partners to be out (and the more costly). Or else you can't use them. I believe there's also an artifact that does the same. You can try it, it just seems that if you have your OG sakashima dealt with a couple of times it ends up being hard to cast him and then all your clones in hand will be kinda stuck.
Great content. Love it.
This is good content!
YES. Love seeing my beloved Krark & Sakashima combo in play. If any of y'all would like to join the Discord to brew this lovely weird pair, please do: discord.gg/BZ5JTSJjzF
Noooooo the jeska/rograkh decklist is discontinued.... thisbis the only one ive seen built like this lmao, super interesting
We apologize for the inconvenience, but the person who built that deck is no longer part of the channel and they removed all their decklists :(
@@SplitSecond ahh i see, understandable
Wow, I really love seeing monored deck perform well.
Does the little kobold contribute to your gameplan if you don't draw into sword? Like, what's his main purpose in deck?
Hey, thanks a lot, I had a lot of fun building this one.
Kobold actually gets more stuff done than you'd initially assume. He gets Mox Amber, Springleaf Drum and Curse of Opulense online from turn one, along with Deflecting Swat. He also triggers Runaway Steam-Kin for free.
I've had playtests where I got Forge of Heroes to +1/+1 him on turn 01 and trigger the Spectacle on Light Up the Stage/Grenzo on turn 02.
He increases the payoff from Fury Storm with little to no investment, and at times you use him to reduce the cost of Blasphemous Act or get a bunch of mana and burning him up with Jeska (along with two others) to recast both him and the walker at 4+ Loyalty.
Finally, he triggers Vault of Champions on cast and, because of Menace, frequently is just adding counters to it for free. Oh, and he makes your Tanglewire a cakewalk :3
There's probably more you can do with him on MonoRed but I'm really happy with how relevant he actually is for the deck.
@@pedrosequeira9829 wow it is such a thorough answer. I really love how you guys put a lot of thought into the deck you build. Thk you. Been a pleasure watching your channel!
Vault of Champions is a land..?
@@oateater5044 must have been tome of legends
@@wirakirros7281 Yeah, I have this weird word association thing where I see the picture of what I mean but my brain goes for random card names. I've called Robber of the Rich "Daring Thief", I've called Jeska "Chandra" a million times, etc. I'm sorry for this mistake, I did mean Tome of Legends!
GG nice mono red deck!
Do you like the kolbold more then Dargo? I didn’t like the cloudstone loop
They're fundamentally different decks. Dargo is much more all in. It's faster, but it also gets pretty rekt if a single wrench hits the gears
The best "anglicized" way to easily pronounce "zh" in a Mandarin word is to just pronounce it like a "J". It's a bit different, but that's the easy way for broadcasting.
Jingzhou would be like "jing joe"
Thank you very much! :) we'll try to take that into account for future Edric/yuriko wtv games! :D
@@SplitSecond zh sounds the same as the Portuguese J, então é bem facil de pronunciar.
GG guys..keep them coming
Doesnt saccing treasure tokens trigger Bloodchief's Ascension ? for example when Sequeira sacs them at 10:21 and probably some other spots in the game?
A: Tokens go to the graveyard as regular creatures, and are removed as a "state-based effect" when a player gets priority again. They stay in the graveyard long enough to trigger abilities, like the one of Soulcatchers' Aerie, before they are removed.
Yes you are correct in that tokens hit the graveyard but Bloodchief's Ascension only cares about Cards hitting the graveyard, and tokens are not cards. :)
@@SplitSecond Thnx for response i guess we did that wrong in our group then ^^ i will remember it for next time :D
Awesome session, and great editing work btw. Also, curious to know if David has a new iteration for the Liesa deck given the new sets that have been released after the posting of this video
Not yet! We try not to play too many staxy decks, so Liesa hasn't had much chance to shine. But I'll look into it, because I had fun playing her!
Omg I love the winning deck design
Would've been over had deafening silence not shut down the extra turns. Too bad David couldn't come up with the win after that. I play Liesa too and slowly waiting for each players life totals to come down from 40 is the worst lol
A little spikey for my tastes, but I do enjoy me a creative combo. Subbed.
We have our weeks, sometimes we go for themes and such. We just try to show different decks, ideas and powerlevels, but always playing to win
I thought all the decks were solid, Obecka seems awesome.
My favorite game yet!
Liesa needlessly blocking the giant and then giving the obvious sword shock to it to finish it off cost David the game I think. Cloudstone combo doesnt work with Liesa onboard so maybe that block cost him the game.
It sure did, but by then we didn't know Sequeira was about to combo off, and taking out the giant seemed the best block in order to take out card advantage from Sequeira in future turns.
I could kill Liesa regardless if I was going to try to go off. 2 From Sword, 3 from Jeska and -4 life to me
Just think without the knowledge and with your life high it's not worth trading Liesa for Giant, yes card draw is a pain but there is a reason Liesa is the commander, you want her in play, if she's worse than the Giant then fair enough but I dont think so.
How comfortable would you be taking Thruple Threat into a blind meta?
Hm, that's a complicated question. I built into a blind meta (I didn't know what my colleagues where building), but I always take stax into consideration when building because of my LGS. So, in a way, I prefer to make decks that aren't as fast as they can be, but are fairly grindy/can deal with stuff like what David put out or dish annoying taxing effects to slow others and give myself room to win.
If I were to participate in something like an online tournament in a meta I know 0 of, I believe this deck would not be my first choice.
Really Nice content! You are Brazilian edh players?
We're portuguese :)
greetings cousin! :)
I have a question:
Whenver you sacrifice a token, does it go to graveyard first? If it is the case liesa should have won because of the ascension.
Let me know if I am wrong!
Nice content though ! I really like your channel!! :)
Tokens are put into the graveyard for what matters death triggers. Then before players receive priority, SBA's will have the token cease to exist.
On the other hand Bloodchief Ascension specifically cares for "cards" put into the graveyard, and a token is not a "card" for those purposes. :)
@@SplitSecond thanks for the light !!! ^^
So basically is 3 combo and 1 stax. Cool.
at 9:31 luis could have had his 1st copy of disrupt target the original. that way drawing an extra card
Good catch, however, at the same time, pointing only 1 Disrupt at Consultation, could go wrong if Baal had a Mental Misstep :)
@@SplitSecond the copy resolves before he decides where to point the second copy. so there would have been no difference
Awesome!
Hi, new to magic, I assume that every time dockside bounce Rograkh to the commander zone, next time he cast Rograkh the commander tax keep adding and will catch up. So how does that work? Thanks
Rograkh is bounced to the hand, so it is once again cast for free, generating increasingly large amounts of treasures, and then use those treasures to cast Jeska repeatedly to kill the opponents :)
Ótimo vídeo 👌
I’m confused why Deafening Silence stops copies of the extra turn spell. Copies are cast so why would they be stopped?
CR. 706.10 To copy a spell, activated ability, or triggered ability means to put a copy of it onto the stack; a
copy of a spell isn’t cast and a copy of an activated ability isn’t activated. (...)
Deafening prevents someone to try to cast more than 1 non creature spell, but copies of spells generated by triggered abilities are put unto the stack directly so they bypass this effect
GG
I'm confused how do you get to use both krark flips? If the first trigger flips tails doesn't the second not see the spell to copy it?
The second trigger will use its Last Known Information regarding the spell. :)
CR 608.2g If an effect requires information from the game (...) If the effect requires information from a specific object, including the source of the ability itself, the effect uses the current information of that object if it’s in the public zone it was expected to be in; if it’s no longer in that zone, or if the effect has moved it from a public zone to a hidden zone, the effect uses the object’s last known information.
Wait is it being red means it shares a permanent type because he is a kobald not a goblin
He has red in the border
There are five permanent types: artifact, creature, enchantment, land, and planeswalker. Being a goblin or kobold is not relevant for Cloudstone Curio.
Also he is red because of his color indicator. (the red dot left of the type line) Border color has no rules significance.
Nice! I was searching for a game with Obeka.
offtopic: are you guys native english speakers? i detected a bit of an accent
We're glad you had fun seeing her in play!
We are native Portuguese speakers, so our commentary is bound to have some accent!
Eu percebi haha Sou do RJ
I don't understand, does obeka end a player's turn? So in one on one my opponent has no hope?
The card says "may end the turn". So if you activate it during an opponent's turn it is their choice to end or not, so most likely the opponent will chose not to end his turn. Which makes her just a Sundial of the Infinite on a creature.
Wow!
Luis could have drawn 2 cards from his Disrupt copies if he had one copy target the other copy (while the original is still targeting the consultation) (edit: rather, the second copy targets the original - the two copies are never on the stack at the same time)
We actually thought about that after the resolution of the stack, but it was done, and that way could be dealt with a mental misstep. So it was safer that way
@@SplitSecond I get that it's an easy thing to miss, but it actually either way of doing it has the same effect vs misstep - the precise order of triggers is:
- First, you have the original Disrupt targetting Consultation, and 2 coin flip triggers
- First coin flip trigger resolves, comes up heads, and copies disrupt, targetting consultation
This is the point where a misstep could be cast (but won't as it there are now 2 disrupts so one misstep would be ineffective). The outcome of the second coin flip also isn't known yet
- Then the disrupt copy resolves, counters consultation, and draws a card
- Then the second coin flip trigger resolves, comes up heads, and creates another disrupt copy. It can choose to keep the same target (even though it's an illegal target) and fizzle or it can target the original disrupt.
I played a lot of Lucky Clover when it was in standard so the precise order of copy triggers comes up a lot
That's indeed correct. When it came up the way the conversation went Luís said he was going to draw 3 because 2 coin flips resolved and Baal pointed out it wasn't that way since after the first resolved the next ones would fizzle, so it didn't crossed our minds to simply change the targets and do it properly as you mentioned ;)
This kind of sucks, I wanted to use the Jeska/Ragrakh decklist for ideas on my own, but the link isn’t working anymore…
The person in question left the channel and erased his decklists :(
We're sorry for the inconvenience.
@@SplitSecond No problem, I’ll just have to figure it out. Thanks anyway.
Have a q for the Liesa deck, why run Ad Nauseam and Angel's Grace when there is no finisher for it that I can see?
Angel''s grace is a great card on its own being able to stop TO. Ad Nauseam is included as you can net a lot of life with Liesa and other cards. It doesn't mean you will do them both together. Even if you would you can finish with Heliod+ballista for instance.
@@SplitSecond Yeah I'm just wondering if Sickening Dreams is worth running in list or not.
@@LordRedhand Well, it does seem like a good inclusion, specially if you're going to do it mainphase and if you're tight on mana, as 2 fast mana sources would be enough to win after that :)
@@LordRedhand I personally do'nt like Sickening Dreams. It's not a bad card, but I would rather play a Wrath of God or Damnation and keep the cards in my hand. You can try and playtest it on your list and it might just work out for you. Angel's Grace and Ad Nauseum is for the above metioned reasons.
I don't wanna be that guy, but given you're in mono-red and you're already playing Goblin Recruiter, why have you left a Snoop line out?
Nothing wrong with asking ^^ I considered it (and there were also some lines with Priest of Urabrask and Curio, not as good as Snoop lines) but when I tested Snoop, it felt like the pieces didn't accomplish anything by themselves and I was starting to have some loose low impact cards.
I know that from a cEDH standpoint I sometimes play with whacky cards (like the oneshot dragons for this deck), but those to me accomplish the goal of killing the table versus stax. The more I streamline just into combo and make the deck more focused into 1-2 ideas, especially in monored and with combos that aren't consistently tutorable, the more a single grind in my gears throws me almost out of the game. I don't like being just a spectator.
What program are you all using?
We use cockatrice :)
the link for Jeska Rograkh don’t work :(
:( We're sorry, but the creator of that deck left the channel and eventually took down the decklists.
What are they playing on ,
Cockatrice :)
@@SplitSecond how do you get it to look like that ? Through the settings ?
@@joshualockett1115 we have a custom theme put together by Baal.
@@SplitSecond no worries thank you for the reply
@@joshualockett1115 other than the background images, you can change the settings in order to take out the names of the cards and use the set manager to show only certain sets so you can see for instance Dual lands from Unlimited instead of MTGO artwork. We prefer this way as it makes it easier to recognize the cards in the video :)
If you want further help with this hit Baal through discord ;)
Noice
What app do you use for the gameplay?
We use Cockatrice
Thanks
why did i paused this 16 min long video at 7 and a half minutes and the actual game hasn't started yet.
That's an intermission to show the winners of our last giveaway. The game started already at 2:40 :)
At 6:07 you said narset who. Narset will always be better😂😂. (Narset is my favorite thats why im saying this🤣🤣)
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I don’t think Rograkh is a Goblin. I believe that was an incorrect interaction.
Are you referring to Curio's interaction?
Cloudstone Curio cares about Permanent type. It can bounce lands, creatures, etc (as long as nonartifact). So Rograkh and Dockside don't need to share a creature type (as in, "tribe"), they just both need to be creatures!
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That Obeka deck looks like boring-ass trash. The rest is fine.
thassa's oracle is bullshit and should be banned