I was pushing this topic a long time towards the bottom of my todo list, because it is so much to explain and to structure. You really did a great job here - and now I don't need to do it anymore :)
I like your show ,l love the game of pool I have my own table 8'. I am now 79 years old, I got into the apa in 2021. I started pool at age 16 got married away from pool For about 40 years. I am skill level 4 in 8 ball and 9 ball. I have forgot most of what I knew at one time, but I'm working on it. Thanks for listening.
Grateful for the time put into the description of such complicated, yet strongly useful shot! The physics vividly depicted step by step clarify how a player can become more comfortable & confident when utilizing this shot.
Chris, that was awesome. Pool isn't as much feel as so many think. You science it up, then break it down! And you always empathize the most important component IMO. Practice, practice, practice. Ive dabbled with the masse applying what i learned in the jump shot video. I jump/masse intentionally. It's getting me legal hits. And im tuning in to making the shots more and more. It's is much harder to defense me and my TAP Crew as we are all practicing what I've learned from your lessons!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Very excellent explanation. I taught myself how to perform this shot, though only to about a 50-60% success rate. With this lesson, I'm all too eager and confident to get to the pool hall to practice and get that consistency up. It's such a fun shot and so few even attempt to learn it.
Well Chris I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video, I don't often attempt masse shots at all even in practice. Though after watching this video I find that the way you broke down the masse shot is a little of an easier concept for me to grasp and it will definitely appear in my practice sessions. Thank you again for producing such an amazing video.
I think I watched this one time before but I do not remember so I will say you did a great job ! There is one additional thing I do anytime I’m going to elevate my cue. I start with my tip on the tablecloth and adjust my grip to the follow-through position. This ensures two things. One is that I have enough room to follow through. And two I have a less chance of damaging the cloth.
Greetings from Pensacola Chris-🐬Thanks for the best info that I’ve found so far and love the 2 diff views of each shot to show how the shot is being made and the results. Also- right at the end I was getting ready to ask about what kind of tip shoots Masse best and you answered that as well! 👍🏻 Great video Chris - going to be working on this today. Once again thank you so much! Oh and I just noticed in the description below you have it all broke down to make it easy to study and follow. Perfect 👌 anyone can learn using this lesson you have given with practice.
I like the video! Haven’t researched masses and always used feel for it. Having your system gives some sort of structure around it, even if it still requires a lot of feel and practice to execute properly
Great video Chris! I would also like to add to your tutorial... When visualizing the contact point on the table out from the center of the cueball contact point parallel to the intended path line of the shot, because of the fact that the masse will wear off just* before completing the turn, you should tilt your contact point on the table through the cue ball slightly inward from the initial assessment to compensate for this. This should improve the accuracy of the shot.
This is one shot I've never been able to make! You make it look so easy! Lol! Great teaching though! You definitely have skills! #YOUROCK #m3glamsquad #SpiritSeekerSquad 👑 👻🏚🌟
BRAVO! I have been waiting for your vid on the masse and took me long enough to watch it but LC you did an excellent job with breaking the shot down! I really hope that everyone paid attention when you said "practice" because the masse is NOT a shot where you watch this or another video and go to league and attempt ruin a beautiful felt. Interesting I believe you got the information from Rollie about the masse that you talked about here, correct me if I'm wrong.
Actually, I got it from an old VHS of Robert Byrnes that I use to have many years ago. I found a copy of it on UA-cam, and even then he mentions Coriolis 😉
Another excellent video Chris. Haven't used the masse shot because like Efren i find my height (under 5'5") makes it very uncomfortable. However, I really appreciate the lesson and better understanding on how to apply. I'm a firm believer in the diamond system. Staying well. QA
I'm 5'5" and mainly perform curve shots (with an overhand grip), when needed. I think I've only done tight masse shots less than 5 times these past 4 years of playing. When I was younger I tried them all the time, just to look cool if I was successful. Now, it's very rare that I'll do a tight masse.
There are 2 shots I really don't do unless absolutely necessary. Masse shots and jump shots. The reason is simple. I'm afraid of ripping up my felt so I don't practice them. I have no place other than my home where I can practice and the fear of putting a rip in my felt keeps me and everyone else from trying them on my table. Love hearing and watching how to do them, but the actual practice of them is nullified by fear. Maybe when my table needs new cloth, I may try some to get the feel for it, but until then, my game will have a large hole in it unless someone wants to let me possibly junk up their table. I have no faith that I can learn to do them proficiently without messing up some felt on someone's table. My cross to bear.
If you were to try to practice jumps or masse, start at a pace where you're in complete control. You know you won't hit the felt. The cue ball probably won't jump or masse, but you'll be familiar with the movement. Even starting this slow, you can use a small cloth or like the table saver/break bad I used in this video (A link is in the description). It also provides a little protection to the felt. After you get familiar with the movement, hit a little hard and get comfortable with that. The cue ball will probably skip for a jump, and you'll see a small curve for the masse. Then just keep gradually building from there. Hope that helps!
@@LilChrisPoolPlayer Thanks a lot Chris. I need all the help and advice I can get and you provide a ton of that which is greatly appreciated. I like the way you simplify and explain everything. It always brings it down to a level I can relate to. I'm going to throw my fears out the door and give it a try. If I end up needing new felt, I'll blame it on you...... Hope you know I'm just kidding. Whatever I do, I do and it's nobodys fault but my own.
This video is useful but it doesn’t really help me. I’ve practiced, raged, and decided I am never playing pool again. I need someone physically there to help me. No hate towards this video though. It really is the best masse video I found.
So while curving, amount of side, dont think much about it, as a standard just set it about 1 and a half tip, but for elevation and power, elevation is either 45 or about 90, more elevation, lesser distance, bigger curve. And power, more power means itll take longer to come back or go farther into the curve and vice versa, so usually medium power is fine.
I also feel the size of your tip can affect the masse shot. I Can masses with both regular size tips and super skinny snooker type tips. But i prefer the smaller tip.
You can try this link here - outsville.com/collections/accu-rack-racking-templates and I have a discount with this company. Use the code LIL' CHRIS and you'll get 10% off of your purchase.
A question is not stupid if your question is answered and you learn from it. If you look at a massé cue, generally massé cues are different than a standard playing cue in several ways…a massé cue is heavier, shorter, STIFFER and has a larger tip. Using a massé cue makes it easier to direct enough force to slide the ball and it allows enough spin on the ball for it to curve. Directing force into the cue ball is primary for a massé, so I would think yes a low deflection shaft would be better to perform a massé.
I shoot Masay shoots like a champ!. I will take it over a medium tuff bank and make 2 out of 3. I have been shooting for 50years!. That was the first cool thing I found my accident when I was 11 years old.
That's mentioned at the end of the video. According to research that I've done: Soft Tip: Pros - Grips the cue ball the best Cons - Easily mushrooms Hard Tip: Pro - Solid hit Cons - Requires tip to be "well chalked" Medium Tip: Best compromise between soft and hard pros/cons
So when do you choose masse over jump shot? It seems masse is more compatible than jump shot, i.e. masse covers the use of jump not the other way around.
In some instances, the interfering ball could be to close for some players to jump over and there is also no path to kick the cue ball to the object ball. This would be when a masse is a viable option. A masse does not cover the use of a jump, because there's no way to draw the cue ball from a masse, whereas you can with a jump shot. Every technique has a purpose for which they serve best.
I'm not understanding the dilemma of your question. If the path to the object is blocked and you're confident you can jump over the interfering ball(s), then jump over them. If not, and you're confident you can kick at the object ball, then kick at the object ball. If not, and you're confident you can masse over to the object ball, then masse to it. It all depends on what you're capable of doing.
As always, nice job keeping it simple and real. You need to really aim to swerve to make these shots. :)
Much appreciated DrDave!!! I don't think I could've "swerved" this any better! 😉
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I was pushing this topic a long time towards the bottom of my todo list, because it is so much to explain and to structure. You really did a great job here - and now I don't need to do it anymore :)
Thanks brotha! I still think you should do your own version too! The more resources people have to learn, the better! 💪🏻
Many new players find reason not to swerve the cue ball. With videos such as this, there is no longer any reason not to…great tutorial Lil’ Chris! 👍🏻
I like your show ,l love the game of pool I have my own table 8'. I am now 79 years old, I got into the apa in 2021. I started pool at age 16 got married away from pool
For about 40 years. I am skill level 4 in 8 ball and 9 ball. I have forgot most of what I knew at one time, but I'm working on it. Thanks for listening.
I live in the beaumot,TX area. I don't know if it will help but I got the diamond slicers.
Best pool education video I’ve ever seen! 😮
Best vid I’ve ever seen on masse shots. Chris comes thru again. Not sure how I missed this before.
Grateful for the time put into the description of such complicated, yet strongly useful shot! The physics vividly depicted step by step clarify how a player can become more comfortable & confident when utilizing this shot.
The Main Thing I Like About Your Video Tutorials Are They Are How To Not A I Did!!!! You Go Into Detail!!!!
My favorite pool teacher.
Chris, that was awesome. Pool isn't as much feel as so many think. You science it up, then break it down!
And you always empathize the most important component IMO. Practice, practice, practice.
Ive dabbled with the masse applying what i learned in the jump shot video. I jump/masse intentionally. It's getting me legal hits. And im tuning in to making the shots more and more.
It's is much harder to defense me and my TAP Crew as we are all practicing what I've learned from your lessons!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Very excellent explanation. I taught myself how to perform this shot, though only to about a 50-60% success rate. With this lesson, I'm all too eager and confident to get to the pool hall to practice and get that consistency up. It's such a fun shot and so few even attempt to learn it.
Well Chris I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video, I don't often attempt masse shots at all even in practice. Though after watching this video I find that the way you broke down the masse shot is a little of an easier concept for me to grasp and it will definitely appear in my practice sessions. Thank you again for producing such an amazing video.
I've been waiting for this for so long! Thank you!!!
I hope that you find this to be helpful!
I think I watched this one time before but I do not remember so I will say you did a great job !
There is one additional thing I do anytime I’m going to elevate my cue.
I start with my tip on the tablecloth and adjust my grip to the follow-through position.
This ensures two things.
One is that I have enough room to follow through.
And two I have a less chance of damaging the cloth.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the Super Thanks! 🙏
Wow! You are surely a master! Well done. Glad I found your channel.
I wouldn't call myself a master, but thank you so much for the compliment! 😀
Thanks a lot sir for very interesting video, it can help me how to use cue stick. God bless you
Greetings from Pensacola Chris-🐬Thanks for the best info that I’ve found so far and love the 2 diff views of each shot to show how the shot is being made and the results. Also- right at the end I was getting ready to ask about what kind of tip shoots Masse best and you answered that as well! 👍🏻 Great video Chris - going to be working on this today. Once again thank you so much!
Oh and I just noticed in the description below you have it all broke down to make it easy to study and follow. Perfect 👌 anyone can learn using this lesson you have given with practice.
Stumbled on your video awesome making some so difficult look so easy.
Nice video. Masse is a feel shot and must be practiced. Good explanation on the basics of the shot.
Great explanation best I have seen to give understanding
Thanks for this lesson. I played pool for 20+ years, and never did master this shot.
I like the video! Haven’t researched masses and always used feel for it. Having your system gives some sort of structure around it, even if it still requires a lot of feel and practice to execute properly
awesome shot
Good visuals Chris!! Keep the vids coming!!
Great video Chris! I would also like to add to your tutorial... When visualizing the contact point on the table out from the center of the cueball contact point parallel to the intended path line of the shot, because of the fact that the masse will wear off just* before completing the turn, you should tilt your contact point on the table through the cue ball slightly inward from the initial assessment to compensate for this. This should improve the accuracy of the shot.
This is one shot I've never been able to make! You make it look so easy! Lol!
Great teaching though! You definitely have skills!
#YOUROCK #m3glamsquad #SpiritSeekerSquad 👑 👻🏚🌟
Great video. Thanks Chris 👍🏾
Great video!!! Thanks for the information.
You bet!
I masse, that was pretty interesting. 😄
BRAVO! I have been waiting for your vid on the masse and took me long enough to watch it but LC you did an excellent job with breaking the shot down! I really hope that everyone paid attention when you said "practice" because the masse is NOT a shot where you watch this or another video and go to league and attempt ruin a beautiful felt. Interesting I believe you got the information from Rollie about the masse that you talked about here, correct me if I'm wrong.
OMG that so bugged me I had to go back and watch and sure enough I was right, Rollie for the win! LOL
Actually, I got it from an old VHS of Robert Byrnes that I use to have many years ago.
I found a copy of it on UA-cam, and even then he mentions Coriolis 😉
Once again thanks for the time in helping the unlearned get more educated.
Wow thank you so much I think all I need now is to go practice😁
Another excellent video Chris. Haven't used the masse shot because like Efren i find my height (under 5'5") makes it very uncomfortable. However, I really appreciate the lesson and better understanding on how to apply. I'm a firm believer in the diamond system. Staying well. QA
I'm 5'5" and mainly perform curve shots (with an overhand grip), when needed. I think I've only done tight masse shots less than 5 times these past 4 years of playing.
When I was younger I tried them all the time, just to look cool if I was successful. Now, it's very rare that I'll do a tight masse.
3:45 came almost right back to the spot you shot it from
Great video
Liked, favorited, subscribed.
There are 2 shots I really don't do unless absolutely necessary. Masse shots and jump shots. The reason is simple. I'm afraid of ripping up my felt so I don't practice them. I have no place other than my home where I can practice and the fear of putting a rip in my felt keeps me and everyone else from trying them on my table. Love hearing and watching how to do them, but the actual practice of them is nullified by fear. Maybe when my table needs new cloth, I may try some to get the feel for it, but until then, my game will have a large hole in it unless someone wants to let me possibly junk up their table. I have no faith that I can learn to do them proficiently without messing up some felt on someone's table. My cross to bear.
You can use a coaster like Chris showed. A piece of table cloth would work too.
If you were to try to practice jumps or masse, start at a pace where you're in complete control. You know you won't hit the felt. The cue ball probably won't jump or masse, but you'll be familiar with the movement.
Even starting this slow, you can use a small cloth or like the table saver/break bad I used in this video (A link is in the description). It also provides a little protection to the felt.
After you get familiar with the movement, hit a little hard and get comfortable with that. The cue ball will probably skip for a jump, and you'll see a small curve for the masse. Then just keep gradually building from there.
Hope that helps!
Get a shark skin spot and occu rack to save your felt. A dollar bill also works great!
@@LilChrisPoolPlayer Thanks a lot Chris. I need all the help and advice I can get and you provide a ton of that which is greatly appreciated. I like the way you simplify and explain everything. It always brings it down to a level I can relate to. I'm going to throw my fears out the door and give it a try. If I end up needing new felt, I'll blame it on you...... Hope you know I'm just kidding. Whatever I do, I do and it's nobodys fault but my own.
Thanks, very interesting!
simply stated with sound advise, thanks
This video is useful but it doesn’t really help me. I’ve practiced, raged, and decided I am never playing pool again. I need someone physically there to help me. No hate towards this video though. It really is the best masse video I found.
Nice job
Thanks!
So while curving, amount of side, dont think much about it, as a standard just set it about 1 and a half tip, but for elevation and power, elevation is either 45 or about 90, more elevation, lesser distance, bigger curve. And power, more power means itll take longer to come back or go farther into the curve and vice versa, so usually medium power is fine.
I also feel the size of your tip can affect the masse shot. I Can masses with both regular size tips and super skinny snooker type tips. But i prefer the smaller tip.
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Thanks
Where can I buy the "table saver" because the link is not working, I really need it😂😂
You can try this link here - outsville.com/collections/accu-rack-racking-templates
and I have a discount with this company. Use the code LIL' CHRIS and you'll get 10% off of your purchase.
I hope this isn't a stupid question, but wouldn't masse be easier with a non low deflection shaft?
A question is not stupid if your question is answered and you learn from it.
If you look at a massé cue, generally massé cues are different than a standard playing cue in several ways…a massé cue is heavier, shorter, STIFFER and has a larger tip. Using a massé cue makes it easier to direct enough force to slide the ball and it allows enough spin on the ball for it to curve.
Directing force into the cue ball is primary for a massé, so I would think yes a low deflection shaft would be better to perform a massé.
what kind of stick is good for pool
This video should help answer your question
ua-cam.com/video/qjB_WKHW38k/v-deo.html
I shoot Masay shoots like a champ!. I will take it over a medium tuff bank and make 2 out of 3. I have been shooting for 50years!. That was the first cool thing I found my accident when I was 11 years old.
Probably a stupid question but what happens if you knock the cue ball off the table while you made the 8 ball? Is that a loss?🤔
That is a loss
is it more easely with a hard, mid or soft tip?
That's mentioned at the end of the video. According to research that I've done:
Soft Tip:
Pros - Grips the cue ball the best
Cons - Easily mushrooms
Hard Tip:
Pro - Solid hit
Cons - Requires tip to be "well chalked"
Medium Tip:
Best compromise between soft and hard pros/cons
So when do you choose masse over jump shot? It seems masse is more compatible than jump shot, i.e. masse covers the use of jump not the other way around.
In some instances, the interfering ball could be to close for some players to jump over and there is also no path to kick the cue ball to the object ball. This would be when a masse is a viable option. A masse does not cover the use of a jump, because there's no way to draw the cue ball from a masse, whereas you can with a jump shot.
Every technique has a purpose for which they serve best.
Lil' Chris thanks for your reply. Can you please elaborate on the cases where masse cannot be used and only jump shot allowed?
I'm not understanding the dilemma of your question.
If the path to the object is blocked and you're confident you can jump over the interfering ball(s), then jump over them. If not, and you're confident you can kick at the object ball, then kick at the object ball. If not, and you're confident you can masse over to the object ball, then masse to it.
It all depends on what you're capable of doing.
Lil' Chris perfect! All clear now:)
Do you find it harder to masse with a carbon shaft?
Not really
What cue are you using
Predator Blak4-5 with a 12.9 Revo shaft
The Coriolis Effect has to do with deflection of falling objects due to the Earth's rotation, not sure how that applies here
So that's why "masse" has been missing this shot so much!!!
Tell me the position of the tongue while pronouncing short letter (æ); to make it easier to differentiate between two.
If you used a practice ball we could see the spin better
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