Audience Questions for Jonathan Pageau at The Quest for a Spiritual Home Conference

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  • @MichaelSmith-hp8fy
    @MichaelSmith-hp8fy Рік тому +9

    To the last gentleman, I think the best way to think about sexual desire is something that needs to be tamed with self control, rather than put to death (as he was alluding to). Or, if we want to use the death image, it's death for the sake of ressurection in the future, because God ressurects all that is good, and sexual desire is His gift to us. But death looking toward ressurection isn't a permanent severing, the telos of the death is the resurrection that will come, so you can live looking forward to it. So let that drive you and motivate you toward pursuing a godly lady.

  • @S.G.Wallner
    @S.G.Wallner Рік тому +1

    For us aspiring holy fools, that felt like great advice. Thanks for asking the question Griz.

  • @TheApprentice007
    @TheApprentice007 Рік тому +9

    22:40
    Throughout my life, I have heard that Christ looked like Adam from various preists and mystics I've encountered. Adam would've recognized himself as the crucified one. This would have been part of the deep despair that came with the fall.
    The solution was contained within the problem all along.
    All suffering points to the crucifixion and the crucifixion points so the resurrection.

  • @dalibofurnell
    @dalibofurnell Рік тому +12

    Thanks Paul!

  • @zoomerpastor
    @zoomerpastor Рік тому +14

    Girls don't like desperate guys! Best advice of the whole conference

  • @shari6063
    @shari6063 Рік тому +4

    Great question Raj!

    • @notvadersson
      @notvadersson Рік тому +2

      Cutting & joining.

    • @shari6063
      @shari6063 Рік тому +1

      @@notvadersson reminded me of the story Martin Shaw told in Duncan when I went to see him. The women had the dragon’s head asleep in their laps and they were combing and cutting the hair that grew non stop. Role of the Divine Feminine! Combing and cutting. Very much in the same vein as cutting and joining.

  • @vixendixon6943
    @vixendixon6943 Рік тому +5

    ❤❤❤

  • @ssevkin
    @ssevkin Рік тому +15

    Grim!

  • @LordBlk
    @LordBlk Рік тому +1

    The violence of distinction.
    One could argue that objective reality causes violence when you try to defy it.
    That the link of creation, objectivity and violence is that the concrete real will do violence to you if you deny it. The real is the immovable wall and the unstoppable force, the logos.

  • @yosefrazin6455
    @yosefrazin6455 Рік тому +1

    The model of kingship in the Bible is that the king is among the people. Read the book of kings. They aren't distant at all 11:20...

  • @whatup6350
    @whatup6350 Рік тому +4

    Hey Paul, just an fyi, I took a break from commenting for a few days , and it's stretching into weeks now...not that I've run out of criticisms for JBP and his IDW 2.0 with Pageau and friends. I'm getting in a lot more daily steps in since I'm away from screens most of the time , and my lower back is feeling less stress. Take care, my friend :)

  • @logoimotions
    @logoimotions Рік тому +1

    Cult is from to close in, shut in and hence cult a closed in thing, related to include and occlude.
    Just a bit of fun

    • @ryanshue6308
      @ryanshue6308 Рік тому +2

      No, you're wrong. Latin "cultus" comes from the verb "colere" which is a gardening word and means to cultivate plants. By extension the word came to mean something like honor or respect someone/thing and that is where the meaning "worship" comes from. It has nothing to do with shutting in and is not related to include or seclude, those are all compounds from the basic Latin verb "claudere" which means to shut and is not related at all to "cultus". The word "cult" originally was neutral and only later developed a negative connotation in English as it came to be used for specific groups and slowly lost its original meaning of "worship".

    • @logoimotions
      @logoimotions Рік тому

      @ryanshue6308 you are right. I had recalled cultus being the supine in some form of cludere but having checked it isn't. Maybe as an alternative form 🤔 but indeed my folk etymology is off.

  • @ShowMeMoviesInc.
    @ShowMeMoviesInc. Рік тому +1

    Great thumbnail (;

  • @xaviervelascosuarez
    @xaviervelascosuarez Рік тому +1

    11:57 Is Jonathan making a case for papacy...?

    • @ProfesserLuigi
      @ProfesserLuigi Рік тому +1

      I mean, that verse is in the Bible whether you think that Jesus is proclaiming Peter as the pope or not. I think Pageau is simply laying it out as a general delegation of authority rather than a special delegation of a highest position to Peter, but that's just what I'm picking up plus what I already know about Pageau's belief which is admittedly very surface.

    • @sunrhyze
      @sunrhyze Рік тому

      Seemed to me more about the necessity of dispersing authority through multiple layers. I picture a pyramid shape, but the pyramid could have a flat top instead of coming to the point of a single person. The Orthodox pyramid definitely has a flat top.

    • @xaviervelascosuarez
      @xaviervelascosuarez Рік тому

      @@sunrhyze mmm rather than a flat top I'd say the Orthodox churches have many tops 🙄

  • @yosefrazin6455
    @yosefrazin6455 Рік тому

    Hmm but 5:00 just implies it solves the cult leader problem by becoming a death cult...

  • @williambranch4283
    @williambranch4283 Рік тому +1

    Grin Griz? ... we are all holy fools!

  • @Secretname951
    @Secretname951 Рік тому

    Flat but with the one thing above? That sounds like Protestantism! Uh-oh!

  • @williambranch4283
    @williambranch4283 Рік тому +1

    Its all a matter of attitude. Unity with G-d is Hell for some. Don't mix East-West theology. Monkish-ness came from Buddha, long before Christian monasticism.

    • @fusion9619
      @fusion9619 Рік тому +3

      And Buddhist monkishness came from Hindu asceticism, and Hindu asceticism probably came from something else. But its okay for different cultures to produce similar things independently. It's not okay to get stuck thinking along the lines of "everything good came from somewhere else and our contributions are inferior," which seems to summarize some peoples' mentality.

    • @williambranch4283
      @williambranch4283 Рік тому

      @truly blessed If you have a good attitude, regardless of what troubles come your way, your submission to G-d will lift you up.

    • @williambranch4283
      @williambranch4283 Рік тому

      @truly blessed The challenges of success can be more challenging than the challenges of failure. Both can build faith if you are open to it.

  • @olgakarpushina492
    @olgakarpushina492 Рік тому

    That is painful to listen. Can the guy cut his "uhs"? This made him seem, well, not very intelligent.

    • @Secretname951
      @Secretname951 Рік тому

      Pageau? Part of the reason I really like him is he doesn’t have the same polished high academic front that Peterson and Verveake have! I think he’s a bit better when not doing Q+As as well if you want to listen more.

    • @olgakarpushina492
      @olgakarpushina492 Рік тому +1

      @@Secretname951 not Pageau. The twitchy person asking questions. With all due respect and out of love I say this, he needs to think his speech through and pay attention to body language. Very distracting and makes him appear anxious and less intelligent than he obviously is.

    • @sunrhyze
      @sunrhyze Рік тому +1

      That first guy was making me crawl out of my skin, so I put him on 1.5 and went back to normal for Pageau's answer. I consider that manual labor 😊