The only honest review of this I’ve seen! I had a feeling that this would be exactly as you’re describing it but nobody else really gives this the right examination.
Had the X56 three times now, QC is terrible. ALL X56s WILL BREAK IN THE SAME PLACE all it takes is time. The right throttle has a SEVERE weakpoint where the throttle meets the sliding portion of the throttle. The sitck and throttle both give ghost imputs regardless of power. Its a great low cost starter stick and throttle. Otherwise this is number 3 and im at a point now where im having to look at other combos because i play a combination of star citizen and MSFS.
The real issue is the lack of competition at this price range, the other options ar eeither really cheap with few buttons/switches or so expensive (usually double the price of the X56) with all the bells and whistles a majority cant afford them. I've had mine since 2018 and apart from a litle drift in the joystick (roll right) its still working fine. Have I tried anything else... No as I cant afford something else to compare it to, unlike youtubers who get given stuff to try free. Do I like it? Not particulalrly. Plan is to buy VKB with STECS this year if I can afford it. Your only real suggestion is to spend more money which is what most buying this cant do.
I buy the vast majority of my gear with my own money. I always state if I am given something. What I recommend is to buy a single GNX (which is less than an X56) and save up for a throttle down the road. I didn't just start out with the setup I have. I've built up over decades. I know what it is not to have money. If I was doing this again. I would not buy a logitech product. They are a rip off, and people deserve better.
@@jukahri this is why I recommend buying a gladiator instead. Then buy a throttle later, be happier, have a better experience, and if it doesn't end up being for you, have a better resale value
A VKB NXT EVO plus STECS mini only cost 400, you can go even cheaper, For 360 if you exchange STECS for Trustmaster TWCS, the extra 30 buck was for mods that fix it when the stock base worn-out.
I agree entirely about the competition in the price range. Yes, the X56 is cheap with numerous flaws. I've experienced most mentioned in the video. However, the X56 worked ok for me to start learning DCS and has the ability to bind a lot of switches (especially if using the mode switch on throttle to triple the number of switches available). Additionally it has a Z axis (twisting) which can be used for rudder control if you haven't invested in rudder pedals. You cannot find anything comparable in the $200 price range. I recently have started to realize the limitations of the setup especially the stick which is a little hard to operate with precision. I will probably upgrade soon to a higher end setup but I think this works for most folks who are just getting started in DCS or other sims and don't want to break the bank until they are sure they want to pursue those sims more seriously.
I'm a new to joysticks...... I started with vkb and now I'm going to virpil (warbrd-d and Constellation alpha prime) can't wait to get them. Before I bought my first joystick, I did a lot of reviews and research.
Just came across this, and thanks for the honesty. I had a whole setup using an ancient (talking mid-90s here) TM F-16 throttle and stick. They worked great, but I got out of simming, and now I'm getting back in, it's nice to see the "glowing" reviews for the VKB, Virpil, Winwing, and TM products. I'm now willing to spend about 4 grand on a whole new setup. Can also say that I retired last year after 36 years in IT. Logitech makes a couple of things really well. Keyboards and mice. And that's it. Cheers!
as a vkb gladiator owner that used alot of ball and cup gimbal joysticks, i have to say the difference is immaculate (i've gone through 2 tm airbus sticks in a year thru regular use, whilst maintaining them)
Great review! I am currently using X56 and I have a problem with stick to base connection so the buttons just stop working every now and then. That really sucks the fun out of playing when you have to reattach the stick to base mid-flight. I have a video suggestion for you: list of controllers in different price points that you'd recommend? For example: 1) Beginner - for someone who is interested in trying flight sims but not willing to spend more than $200 2) Someone who uses X56 and is looking to upgrade to something actually functional $350 3) ~ $500 hotas 4) best the money can buy I would be super happy with just a written response though!
@@rumalus for your post here specifically, for beginners I've been recommending the Winwing Ursa minor, is a huge value for the buck. For someone looking to upgrade from the x56 id suggest a tad more than 350, spend 420 and go for Winwing Orion 2 If you are limited to 350 specifically and no more I think I'd go for Ursa Minor for primary hand, Ursa Minor omni for off hand, another great option for that price would be Gladiator NXT and TM TWCS. If we are including shipping the top end products outside of Winwing are tough to get a full hotas under $500. VKB offers one, the NXT and STECS, it's a good setup, but for 500 of my dollars, I'd want metal internals, which unfortunately the VKB solution I mentioned just doesn't offer. And that's not a knock on VKB, their hardware is really good. Best of the best, well that becomes very subjective. If really depends on what you do. In the top end the Winwing Orion 2 falls a tad behind in features and finish internally. The VKB gunfighter 4 is a great solution when paired with the MCGU grip. The sad part is that there isn't a left hand version, and there is not a metal equivalent throttle offered yet from VKB. They say there is I've coming, so that will help their top end offerings. For Virpil, the warBRD is I'd say if fairly similar to the gunfighter, certainly in specs and features. The gunfighter handles extensions better. The Virpil T50CM3 gimbal is the best spring/cam gimbal on the market. The downside with Virpil is that the Constellation grips have some issues in my opinion, so much so that I won't use them. Now, they do offer the new FLNKR grip, but I haven't used it yet, but I am interested. They also have the new aero grips which appear to have addressed some of my issues with the Constellation. So I'm eager to try them out. There are other options for grips like Thrustmaster, Tianhang, realism, etc. so that's the route in took. Furthermore, what you select really depends on what you do. If you fly helos definitely go for the T50CM3 if you are going spring/cam. Best dead stick experience I've had. But then you get into the force feedback options, and force sensing options. Software is a big deal in FFB, right now id say VPFORCE has an advantage here. FFBeast and Brunner are VERY expensive. Moza has decent hardware from what I can see, but their software is a bit behind. They are closing the gap so we will see how that goes. We also have Winwing coming out with a FFB very soon, Virpil and VKB sometime in the future. Force sensing I recommend if you fly majority F16, otherwise stick with the spring/cam or FFB. Tianhang is a great bang for your buck option here, things like realsim is an option if you want to spend a fortune. WW offers a Force sensing unit, it's ok, but I recommend if it you want to go force sensing, best to just go with a Force sensing base from the beginning.
I really appreciate the honest review and I want to really highlight that, but for me that comes with a question. The different versions of this same "HOTAS" that have to my knowledge been released are 3 with the newest being the v2 and I know from experience that most only know of the v1 (blue) and v2 (grey), but the thing is there was a grey one before it was labeled v2 that was different from its blue predecessor and without really knowing what to label it I'll just call it v1.5. This leads me to my first question, and again I appreciated this video and I'm really not defending Logitech (because some of their things are awful!) even though it might seem like it. Which version is it that you are reviewing here, 45-000059 (v2)?
I've used all three versions at one point or another, the latest of which is pictured in this video, all of them are bad. Because the parts that make the product bad is the basic design, which has not changed.
@@FalconsLedgewhat’s the best HOTAS for like a 250$ budget I’m getting into sim flying and I want one that is going to last a few years and one that doesn’t feel really bad.
If it absolutely must be hotas meaning traditional throttle, then mix brands, TM TWCS and Winwing Ursa Minor. If you don't mind doing Omni throttle, then do two ursas, one with the Omni throttle adapter
Also, there is no real negative to going with two different brands, I have a bunch of different brands in my setup, WW, Virpil, VPFORCE, VKB, and Thrustmaster
i do still plan on buying this, as i have used my friends x56 and it felt fine flew for about a hour. Ofcourse i do plan on upgrading when i get used to flying with HOTAS (the x56 will be my first one)
@@CoastalAtom don't, it's not worth it. Speaking as someone with infinitely more context and experience with basically everything in the market don't. "Flew fine" is only your observation because you don't have experience with other cost equivalent sticks. Buy Winwing ursas, or an Ursa and a TM TWCS, it is infinitely better Don't buy products from a company that doesn't care about your hobby! They haven't innovated or come out with any new combat sim hardware for over a decade
I bought the Saitek one in 2016 and I've used it for ED and MSFS as well as some indie games, but I it was barely average even at the beginning. Now as I'm typing this, my nxt evo and stecs mini plus has arrived, can't wait to use the vkb...
@@FalconsLedge Yes it's much better although I expected the Hats quality to be better and closer to the ones in real planes, but here they still reminds you that they're indeed plastics...
Just bought one for 140 bucks, upgrading from a keyboard and a PS2 controller strapped to my chair with a cord and a tablet with Touch Portal which I have to see through an oculus quest 1. I've seen a comparison between this and the X52 and I liked this more, can't afford anything else for hobbies unfortunately, even if they get my brain trained like DCS. If I won't have fun with DCS offline (not gonna go online) I'll come back, else whoever you are and you care and I still didn't edit this, lmk. Edit: So the stick is, indeed, not very ergonomic, but all the buttons are there and it's only a matter of time until you get to know how to use them the best. The overall materials of the stick are fine for the most part and I don't see problems with the spring if not the stick not "centering"/"zero-ing" but nothing I would worry about since you can set deadzones, it's very accurate and the stiffest spring is also very stiff and I will probably change it later. About the throttle I've had a chance to open it and the construction is very very cheap on the inside and is very easy to break the side knob which sets the throttle stiffness, however is as easy to break as easy to fix but still... don't tight it too much to save the hassle of unscrewing 10+ screws on the base later on. I really like the plastic and the switches are so satisfying to use, it's full of buttons and looks like they keep spawning the more you look at it; you may get overwhelmed but for the most part you get a lot of buttons for binding everything you need. It's an HOTAS I've bought second-hand, it was around 130$ and for that price and maybe 40-50$ more I wouldn't put all the hate the video's publisher has indeed put, I'm having much fun and I like the style, looks and feeling. I'd say instead it's worth it, but if you find other options that you like more or better deals well... make your choice!
@@smoothie3d46 if you like it good for you, lots of people like bad products, and from the sound of it you got a great deal. I hope it serves you well.
@@FalconsLedge For sure! You've made a very good review, I can see you're an experienced user, but some people can't get anything better for the price or their location, and sometimes it's just personal opinions. There will always be something better, but it's also good to enjoy what you have or you can get. This said keep up the good work, love your content.
@@smoothie3d46 this is where you are wrong unfortunately.The Winwing Ursa Minor can be purchased for the same price as a retail x56 and it is 100x better. And this is a big reason why I do this. I want to help people get the best they can for their money, no matter how much they spend. I hope you have a great day!
@@FalconsLedge yes you're right, in the US. I live in Italy but whoever asks me for an hotas outside of my country I'll consider this option, I searched for this and couldn't find it anywhere unfortunately. Is it only the stick? Seems pretty solid anyway
I have one after T.Flight HOTAS 4. And it feels much better than what I had before. The amount of buttons, switches, hats available is huge. My main complains are: 1. The throttle has to be connected directly to the PC USB port, otherwise it has ghost inputs. I tried several USB hubs with a power supply and still it happened. 2. Rotating knobs on the throttle handle are "flickering". If I try to use them for e.g. zoom in DCS, then I find myself with epileptic change of zoom (one step range, but it is still annoying) and a need to either zoom in or zoom out a bit to make it stable.
@@LiveseyMD yeah well you went from a t.flight. for what you paid, those issues are absolutely unacceptable. When the X56 came out it had no competition at this price point. That is no longer the case. Logitech doesn't give a flying crap about combat Sims. The product today is the same as it was 10 years ago. It's shameful.
@@FalconsLedge Well it works for now and at the moment I am not at the upgrade point. Probably when it fails I'll invest money into something much more reliable.
I upgraded from an X-55 that had the throttle quadrant die (ghost inputs, inconsistent presses) to a pair of VKBs in omni-throttle configuration (I play space sims). Its chalk and cheese, and I will never be able to go back to the hot garbage that was the Saitek (now Logitec) sticks. Yes it cost me a lot more for the mounts and all, but they are awesome.
honestly didn't expect any better words for the x56 but wow that was entertaining to watch (the rant about everything wrong about the x56 - and yes there are a lot of them). the only thing that strikes me strange was why did Falcons Ledge even bother with reviewing these... e-junks?
I have been playing Elite Dangerous and DCS for several years using the X56. Over the years I made diy improvements mainly to the throttle and I can honestly say that I somehow got used to it. But regarding how bad it is, you have not even scratched the surface......
@@georgemathiellis5486 yeah it's really bad, and worse than all of that, is part of a dead ecosystem from a company that doesn't give a crap about combat sims
I came across this video. Thanks for an honest review. However, despite all the problems you said about it. It is around price range I rather spend for a Hotas and I wanted buttons. I do not want to have to spend $500+ to $1k just to have the amount of buttons of the x56 Rhino XD I actually been using it for a long while like a year or 2. 580 hours in DCS so yes perhaps I'm just not caring about the poor quality of it but it certainly did what I wanted and I'm thankful how well it worked for just what I wanted. Good points you made and perhaps something to consider putting a much bigger budget or if anything comes out better but it just for fun and not planning to buy every HOTAS on market just to find the best one for me when the x56 is worth it for me.
@@RaccoonRezillo thanks for your response, however, there are way better options with way more buttons and substantially better quality, accuracy and economics. Look no further than two Winwing Ursa minors. $230 shipping included in the US.
@@FalconsLedge so looking into different HOTAS as I am still in the window time to just return my x56 that I currently have. U recommended Winwing Ursa, but what about Gladiator NXT from VKB? Looking into that one seems like it very well and got close to what I want or which one would have more possible Hats and little joy sticks that x56 I liked having? Just taking another look into other good options before I settle with x56 as this one apparently has few sticky or not good Hat and buttons. (weirdly my first one worked great on the buttons)
I had a x56 and then went to TM warthog a couple years ago and it is really worth the extra cash…I have seen them second hand for the same price as a x56 and it is way better the x56 is E waste if you are serious about sim or intend to upgrade one day
@@FalconsLedgeif there is one thing I will never change is my grip I have the f18 one and I have not yet found one I like more…. Well I use the f16 one for helicopters cause the apatche needs the buttons but the f18 is a beauty
Same here. Covid Year 2020 and i freshly started (thanks to the Quarantine) again with Flight Sim (DCS). My old DOS PC with Falcon, Gunship and other Sims was gone and the Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS not usuable (and in Comparision not much better than the X-56) so i bought the X-56 as a Start. That lasted not long. The Thrustmaster Warthog was the easy Choice at this Time. I only missed the Rudderfunction of the Logitech because i had no Pedalls at that Time. Now the TPR is a more than worthy replacement for that. I will try the Warbird Base for the Stick because the Warthog Base is not really comfortable for me.
You are so right. I'm still using the throttle part of my X56 with a VKB Gladiator EVO Space Edition Joystick, just until I can justify to my wife the purchase of the STECS throttle. But using the VKB joystick compared to the X56 is like chalk and cheese. I was bitterly disappointed to find that there were no spare parts available for the X56 especially when you consider the grip comes separate from the base in the box. Switch 6 (combination switch 5/6 on the throttle base has failed) The "adjustable" clutch system for the throttle levers is crap. Yes I've used the X56 for 8 plus years, but it's not until one uses good equipment that one realizes how bad the X56 HOTAS system really is.
This was gonna be a question to ask. If its possible to use the throttle by itself with another stick until one can get both sticks... thanks fot the heads up
im kind of torn. I have an x52 pro and I bought an original run x55 (I pre-ordered which obviously I regret). I love the x55 but it failed catastrophically. I bought the tools and wire to re-wire it, but every time I take it apart I decide im in too deep and close it back up lol. I was considering getting an x56 since it's gone through at least 2 revisions (x56 is a revision on x55, and then logitech made further adjustments to wiring and also supposedly replaced electronics). my x55 stick still works fine and I personal haven't had any of the common issues people have with them, and I use it with the x52 pro throttle since my dual throttle has like a dozen broken wires internally.
Dont sell yourself short! These are not good devices. Keep using your throttle and buy a Winwing Ursa Minor for a stick. You will be in a different world of improvement over anything Logitech produces. There is a reason why Logitechs ecosystem is dead. It's outdated, horrifically bad quality, and they absolutely don't care about combat Sims they are just leaching off old IP for a free bucks.
Ancient X series sticks were built better. This was from before the MadKatz buyout and before the Logitech buyout. A little of the right lube in the right places helps, but they're not a suitable long term stick. It's suitable for a beginner, but that's it. Edit: I think the big issue is that the X series sticks are 20 year old designs that have been cost cut and never actually improved.
I don't even recommend them for newbies. Buy a single GNX, you will be happier and have a better experience, and even more if you decide flying isn't for you, GNX has a better resale value. In 2024 there is no reason to buy Logitech. My X52 was a saitek version purchased in 2005. It was ok then. A bad choice in 2024.
If you absolutely have to buy Logitech, the x52 pro is as far up the stack as I would personally go. If you have the money for an X56, then as Falcon says, pick up something else, almost anything else. Used warthogs are probably about the same price.
what would you recommend for a space sim HOTAS around the 200 dollar mark? I like the X56 because it has extra analog thumbsticks for full 6 DOF without needing a second joystick.
honest question (I don't want to seem rude) I can agree with some flaws in the ergonomics and design that you demonstrated, but as for some other problems: What are the chances that you just have a product with several specific factory defects? edit: Thanks for your video! It's helping me a lot with my decision to buy a joystick
This isn't the only one I've worked with. The chances of that are slim. These issues are also widely reported in many cases. There is also the fact that I have an enormous amount of experience with sim hardware and I can tell the difference between a design flaw and a defect. No offense taken, thank you for your interaction!
@@markmiranda5644 is an awful value, horrible economics, badly designed gimbal, extremely poor quality, horribly inaccurate sensors, part of a dead ecosystem that hasn't been updated in a decade from a company that has no interest in combat sims. Please tell me how this is better than two Winwing Ursa minors, which are the same cost? I'll wait.
@@FalconsLedge my other half bought me one, I was looking at Winwing stuff, there's deffo a reason it was cheaper (£140 she paid for it) I don't get a huge amount of time to play these days so spending what the F16+Shaker+F15 throttle was gonna cost me probably wouldn't have been a good cost/time playing deal...
@@emiloguechoons9030 it uses linear Hall effect sensors, and very low resolution ones at that. Their sensors are so bad, that many pot sensors are far more accurate. Their sensors are amung the worst in the industry. It's not hyperbole if it's true. Have a nice day.
This review kinda shocked me, I'm currently on a Thrustmaster TM16000 with throttle and quite like it but its getting worn out. I'm gonna wait and save up for Virpil HOSAS instead and just extend there, should have enough life in the HOTAS not to worry about it. Since I'm an EE guy that likes his buttons, some points you meantioned are a big nono for me
@@FalconsLedge I heard as much sofar, and I have a feeling the 1000€ spend might be worth it considering it is not... that much more than other manufactureres for what you get.
@@-_1986_- dual Winwing ursa 115 each with free shipping in some places (us, and some others). If you must have a throttle do one Ursa and a TM TWCS throttle. The stick is the most important part, and the Ursa is many times better.
I had the x55. I thought it was good for a bit but it quickly got horrible. Over time the plastic coating gets tacky and disgusting feeling. The gimble got so bad there was no way to get it to center without a massive deadzone. And the software. sweet jesus was it horrid. So glad i went VKB after the x55 stopped any pretense of being reliable or usable.
Similar experience, and it was when they were under their old brand and was at the time still considered to have slightly better QC before they went under, the mini stick on that thing NEVER work though. I dig out half of the dampen grease inside the friction plates just to make it usable, the stick, well, it served its purpose, I get a VKB Black Mambe III later.(Yeah that was way back)
I just finished watching this video, I've been a x52 user for 10+ years, most of my sliders are jittery, my twist axis is so jittery that I need a 80% dead zone on it. the rubbery coating is all gone, I still use it on DCS with my F14 and on Star Citizen I remember doing AAR with m F14, I grabbed the basket for 10 seconds and I was happy, my hand probably needed a chiropractor after that lol I've been wanting to upgrade for a long time, I'm just not sure what to get between WinWing, VKB and Virpil I don't know if I should get the NXT with a throttle or get a Gunfighter mk4 while using my x52 throttle or just get the Orion 2 Max HOTAS since it's the cheapest combo
And it's funny that you mention Virgil. More cost doesn't exempt you from ergo failures. In fact, Virpil made a similar mistake in the constellation alpha grip that I'm currently testing. There are elements of ergonomics that are 100% subjective, but some are objective. The face design of the X series is objectively bad. Virtually all of those I've encountered who believe they are good ergonomically, are still using them, and don't have the proper context to tell the difference. Cost has little to do with ergo.
@@FalconsLedge The X52 stick is packed with functionality given the price - the 2 HAT switches, the pinky switch, the 2 way trigger, the mode selector - all at your fingertips. In comparison, the T16000M has 1 HAT switch, 1 trigger and 3 buttons. What is that good for? Lylat Wars?! LoL! Furthermore, my X52 laster for years without major issues whereas my T16000M died within one year and when you read forums, pretty much everybody develops that Z-axis issue on the damn thing and Thrustmaster refuses to fix it after over a decade of complaints. With that said, nowadays, anybody even a tiny bit serious about joystick should skip all the mainstream stuff and go straight to the NXT Premium and if they are on a budget, they should buy the NXT Standard. Everything else is irrelevant XD. Also, neither the X52, nor the X56 are Logitech designed. The X52 was designed by Saitek, the X56 by Mad Catz. When I think of old Logitech joysticks, they were actually pretty good ergonomically, even the 3D Extreme Pro fits in the hand nicely, definitely a lot better than the T16000M.
The new Turtle Beach stuff are an enigma. While they look better than the X56, but they have such odd decision making in design, and such wasted, useless features. You could say that in the end the new TB things are a modern version of the X56. I have a feeling that those who move on from devices you can buy on store shelves and either buy more advanced hardware made by companies who actually care about our hobby or build their own will eventually look upon the TB offerings in a similar way to how we look at the X56 today.
The x56 isn't a big upgrade, in fact it is less accurate than the t16k and not better quality either. I'd save a bit more and pick up a gladiator nxt/stecs or winwing combo.
Or, and keep in mind I mean this with absolutely no disrespect. You have all of those problems, but you have no realistic point of reference to know what those problems feel like because this is the best device you've used. It's called blistful ignorance, it's not a bad thing to have, and certainly not an insult to you.
I bought it. Im enjoying it. 😂 you used the wrong model in the tab 😂 my only grit with it is the thrusters a little too close to the top right switches. Its okay though for preflight . Otherwise a good hotas.
If it's the absolute most you can spend, then it's sufficient. I focus on bang for your buck, and I don't think it's a great value. If I were buying and I was limited on money, I'd rather buy just the stick and get a gladiator NXT, or winwing Orion 2 stick only and pick up the throttle later than buy the T16K (internally the same as the TCA in most ways) or anything built by Logitech.
@@cosmic4037 some people's standards are really low. ;) nothing wrong with that, it just means it's easier to satisfy you, and that's great. Continue loving it!
The chances of this are miniscule. And winwing just released a stick in China that is rumored to be coming soon to everywhere else that is 110 usd. Omni is rumored to be available. There will really be no reason to buy Logitech with that option ~240 shipped for stick/throttle in US.
@@FalconsLedge I don’t know, Logitech loves to create something expensive and stick the name Pro after it, that’s all they’ve been doing recently lol I’ve used a lot of mouse and keyboard over the years from Logitech and I noticed the quality control decreasing while the price has gone up
@@falmatrix2r but they didn't give a flying crap about combat sims. They haven't really created or even significantly updated any of their combat sim products since they acquired them. I wouldn't hold my breath ;)
@@FalconsLedge I’m not holding my breath for anything Logitech related, my x52 was still before Saitek got bought lol Kinda makes me wonder what if Saitek was still a thing, maybe they’d have a better stick
@@falmatrix2r saitek was never big on making high end products. They delved into it a tiny bit wth a fssb. Unfortunately it used the stick from the x56, which is awful. Could they continue to be a big mid-low player? Yeah certainly.
Hey, so I’m not fully convinced about not buying the X56 because I’m from Brazil, and a $250 HOTAS here is around $400. Can you please suggest a very cheap HOTAS that is good, has a lot of buttons, and can substitute some functions of a mouse?
@@guiguiwagner7764 yes, two Winwing Ursa minors, if you want hotas go with the left hand a Omni grip. Hell if you must have a throttle get a TWCS and an Ursa Minor Point is: 1. Don't buy into a dead ecosystem. There hasn't been any new hardware from Logitech for over a decade, and there isn't anything new coming. 2. Some buy hardware from a company that doesn't care about your hobby. The difference between the Ursa and the x56 it's absolutely huge.
@@FalconsLedge ok so I checked them and like are they actually good? The material looks so fragile, but I'm trusting you right now, so do you actually think this 2 are the best option?
I'm from Brazil as well and my advice for you is, if you are short on money, it's not reasonable to invest like ~R$2500 (roughly US$450) in this shitty outdated x56 hotas which is sold from a company that isn't even focused on making flight simulation peripherals (they bought Saitek, the original manufacturer of the x56, and later rebranded it to Logitech). I mean, their mouses, keyboards and stuff are OK, but when it comes down to gaming oriented systems, they really lack quality and stand way behind companies that actually care for the simulation market, like Winwing as mentioned, or VKBSim, another outstanding brand. If you don't want to waste your money on bad quality outdated stuff, and don't have enough money to spend on more expensive top-tier HOTAS like Virpil or Winwing, I suggest buying the VKB Gladiator NXT Evo stick first, and then saving for the VKB STECS throttle later on. VKBSim has an official store in Aliexpress from their China branch, and don't be fooled by thinking that it's fake or poor quality just because it's manufactured in China (as most people joke about). Winwing is also chinese and is one of the best rated rigs amongst the hardcore gamers, and VKB is no different in this sense. As of now (08/2024), the VKB Gladiator NXT Evo costs R$973,28 (~US$175) + shipping costs of ~R$150 (~US$27) + importation taxes (which you may get if you are unlucky, but seems they are charging somewhere inbetween R$200 - 300).
@muntathr_g6830 dual Winwing Ursa minors (one with Omni adapter for use as a throttle) more button options, extremely better accuracy, vastly better ergonomics, and an ecosystem that isn't dead, from a company that actually cares about your hobby. For the same price.
@@kacperkorol7400 Look, as someone who has played spacesims since the 90s I can say that the stick is the most fundamental part, get a Gladiator NXT EVO Premium and later upgrade with a throttle piece, between Virpil's new throttle, VKB and Winwing there are decent throttle options sold standalone you can buy later. If you are in EU like me both Virpil and VKB have European storefronts that are reliable and don't charge too much for delivery, VKB's Gladiator NXT EVO Premium is an excellent stick, much better than the one that comes with the X56, and should be within your budget.
@@fabioccio8863 id buy Winwing, the new cheap throttle from Virpil before The WH. I'd buy the VKB STECS before the WH. In terms of value proposition, it goes WW>VPC Cadet > VKB > VPC CM3 > WH
@@conductingintomfoolery9163 almost every place a non refurbished model is 239-260. Also two Ursa minors are the same cost and are 10x better, have a great day
@@Flexi2012mfs Ich wollte eine ausführliche Rezension schreiben, fand es aber so schlimm, dass ich es zurückgab. Ich hatte kein Interesse daran, damit zu filmen. Ich bin fast einen Monat damit geflogen, was meine übliche Rezensionszeit ist.
@@Ron-p7y no, the dad part is that I paid money to be horribly disappointed by this pile of garbage. There are considerably better sticks for your money. Logitech sells absolute trash.
bro they didnt say the joystick didnt blow up they said it didnt have any problem and you base your opinion on a guess based on what you think you know
@@object1084 I totally get it man, you have a device, you see a video saying don't buy it. So you watch, and disagree, not because what I'm saying isn't true, but you like the device, and because this is the best thing you've used for an extended time, and I'm sure you researched your purchase (a decade ago) you believe you have the best bang for your buck. And at one time you did . The problem is, Logitech bought the company that produced the x56, and did absolutely nothing with it. No innovation, no improvements, no new products for the ecosystem. Why? Because combat sims aren't mice, or audio devices, by comparison it's super niche, and so Logitech doesn't give a crap about combat sims. It's a dead ecosystem. I created my channel years ago to help people get the best bang for your buck. And I seek to help people avoid problematic devices Like..... Products in a dead ecosystem from a company that doesn't care about their hobby. If you want to know where my opinion. On this device comes from, it's because I've used ALL of it's competitors l, and weighed it's cost vs features vs quality, and all of Logitechs products can't even break the C Tier it's not good.
its a chuck away wold buddie they make stuff now that is made to break hell I still got my first logitech mouse and keyboard got in the late 80s back then things where made right this day and age its all plastic and spat out in the millions so if you want a really good one your going to have give them a arm or a leg and pay lots but your right though that stick is way over priced and sorry I got the x52 not x 56 so I take back my first comment
@@Flexi2012mfs ja, das ist eine Schimpftirade, und sie hat es zu 100 % verdient. Im Jahr 2024 ist das absolut nicht der Rede wert, ein schreckliches Produkt.
I got a bad headache listening to you whine over a budget joystick. Worse than a woman. Sorry. Just being honest as you think your review is. You are telling people in their comments DO NOT BUY IT. This is just your opinion. Maybe people don't have the money for a better one. Stop moaning.
@@johne1083 an opinion informed by decades of experience. An opinion formed through experience with all of the sticks around this one in price and those better and worse. An opinion that is absolutely accurate based on facts about this device and those competing with it. Your response is dripping with the sunk cost fallacy. My channel is here to help people get the best for their money. And this is not it. People should not buy devices from a dead ecosystem, from a company that doesn't care about their hobby. If hearing this offends you, thats ok. You are welcome to your opinion, it's ok to be wrong. Have a nice day.
sad state of hotas. buy 50 bucks basic thrustmaster hotas x or 500 bucks winwing hotas max x-56 was the only in between. why it has too be horribly made
The only honest review of this I’ve seen! I had a feeling that this would be exactly as you’re describing it but nobody else really gives this the right examination.
Had the X56 three times now, QC is terrible. ALL X56s WILL BREAK IN THE SAME PLACE all it takes is time. The right throttle has a SEVERE weakpoint where the throttle meets the sliding portion of the throttle. The sitck and throttle both give ghost imputs regardless of power. Its a great low cost starter stick and throttle. Otherwise this is number 3 and im at a point now where im having to look at other combos because i play a combination of star citizen and MSFS.
The real issue is the lack of competition at this price range, the other options ar eeither really cheap with few buttons/switches or so expensive (usually double the price of the X56) with all the bells and whistles a majority cant afford them. I've had mine since 2018 and apart from a litle drift in the joystick (roll right) its still working fine. Have I tried anything else... No as I cant afford something else to compare it to, unlike youtubers who get given stuff to try free. Do I like it? Not particulalrly. Plan is to buy VKB with STECS this year if I can afford it. Your only real suggestion is to spend more money which is what most buying this cant do.
I buy the vast majority of my gear with my own money. I always state if I am given something.
What I recommend is to buy a single GNX (which is less than an X56) and save up for a throttle down the road. I didn't just start out with the setup I have. I've built up over decades. I know what it is not to have money. If I was doing this again. I would not buy a logitech product. They are a rip off, and people deserve better.
If you can save up for an x56, chances are you can save up for a bit longer (or more, sure) and get something that actually works.
@@jukahri this is why I recommend buying a gladiator instead. Then buy a throttle later, be happier, have a better experience, and if it doesn't end up being for you, have a better resale value
A VKB NXT EVO plus STECS mini only cost 400, you can go even cheaper, For 360 if you exchange STECS for Trustmaster TWCS, the extra 30 buck was for mods that fix it when the stock base worn-out.
I agree entirely about the competition in the price range. Yes, the X56 is cheap with numerous flaws. I've experienced most mentioned in the video. However, the X56 worked ok for me to start learning DCS and has the ability to bind a lot of switches (especially if using the mode switch on throttle to triple the number of switches available). Additionally it has a Z axis (twisting) which can be used for rudder control if you haven't invested in rudder pedals. You cannot find anything comparable in the $200 price range. I recently have started to realize the limitations of the setup especially the stick which is a little hard to operate with precision. I will probably upgrade soon to a higher end setup but I think this works for most folks who are just getting started in DCS or other sims and don't want to break the bank until they are sure they want to pursue those sims more seriously.
I'm a new to joysticks...... I started with vkb and now I'm going to virpil (warbrd-d and Constellation alpha prime) can't wait to get them. Before I bought my first joystick, I did a lot of reviews and research.
Just came across this, and thanks for the honesty. I had a whole setup using an ancient (talking mid-90s here) TM F-16 throttle and stick. They worked great, but I got out of simming, and now I'm getting back in, it's nice to see the "glowing" reviews for the VKB, Virpil, Winwing, and TM products. I'm now willing to spend about 4 grand on a whole new setup.
Can also say that I retired last year after 36 years in IT. Logitech makes a couple of things really well. Keyboards and mice. And that's it. Cheers!
Thank you for your honest review
Review, rant, something like that
as a vkb gladiator owner that used alot of ball and cup gimbal joysticks, i have to say the difference is immaculate (i've gone through 2 tm airbus sticks in a year thru regular use, whilst maintaining them)
Gladiator is certainly a ton better than anything logitech makes.
I knew from other reviews how bad the X56 is. Glad I watched this review, enjoyed the Rant / Review 🤣🤣
Great review! I am currently using X56 and I have a problem with stick to base connection so the buttons just stop working every now and then. That really sucks the fun out of playing when you have to reattach the stick to base mid-flight. I have a video suggestion for you: list of controllers in different price points that you'd recommend? For example:
1) Beginner - for someone who is interested in trying flight sims but not willing to spend more than $200
2) Someone who uses X56 and is looking to upgrade to something actually functional $350
3) ~ $500 hotas
4) best the money can buy
I would be super happy with just a written response though!
@@rumalus category 1 is already done posted about a month ago, category 2 coming this week, cat 3 probably 2 weeks, category 4 late Nov!
@@rumalus for your post here specifically, for beginners I've been recommending the Winwing Ursa minor, is a huge value for the buck. For someone looking to upgrade from the x56 id suggest a tad more than 350, spend 420 and go for Winwing Orion 2
If you are limited to 350 specifically and no more I think I'd go for Ursa Minor for primary hand, Ursa Minor omni for off hand, another great option for that price would be Gladiator NXT and TM TWCS.
If we are including shipping the top end products outside of Winwing are tough to get a full hotas under $500. VKB offers one, the NXT and STECS, it's a good setup, but for 500 of my dollars, I'd want metal internals, which unfortunately the VKB solution I mentioned just doesn't offer. And that's not a knock on VKB, their hardware is really good.
Best of the best, well that becomes very subjective. If really depends on what you do.
In the top end the Winwing Orion 2 falls a tad behind in features and finish internally. The VKB gunfighter 4 is a great solution when paired with the MCGU grip. The sad part is that there isn't a left hand version, and there is not a metal equivalent throttle offered yet from VKB. They say there is I've coming, so that will help their top end offerings.
For Virpil, the warBRD is I'd say if fairly similar to the gunfighter, certainly in specs and features. The gunfighter handles extensions better.
The Virpil T50CM3 gimbal is the best spring/cam gimbal on the market. The downside with Virpil is that the Constellation grips have some issues in my opinion, so much so that I won't use them. Now, they do offer the new FLNKR grip, but I haven't used it yet, but I am interested. They also have the new aero grips which appear to have addressed some of my issues with the Constellation. So I'm eager to try them out.
There are other options for grips like Thrustmaster, Tianhang, realism, etc. so that's the route in took.
Furthermore, what you select really depends on what you do. If you fly helos definitely go for the T50CM3 if you are going spring/cam. Best dead stick experience I've had.
But then you get into the force feedback options, and force sensing options.
Software is a big deal in FFB, right now id say VPFORCE has an advantage here. FFBeast and Brunner are VERY expensive. Moza has decent hardware from what I can see, but their software is a bit behind. They are closing the gap so we will see how that goes. We also have Winwing coming out with a FFB very soon, Virpil and VKB sometime in the future.
Force sensing I recommend if you fly majority F16, otherwise stick with the spring/cam or FFB. Tianhang is a great bang for your buck option here, things like realsim is an option if you want to spend a fortune.
WW offers a Force sensing unit, it's ok, but I recommend if it you want to go force sensing, best to just go with a Force sensing base from the beginning.
@@FalconsLedgeThanks for taking the time and writing such a detailed answer!
@@rumalus it's what I'm here for! To help folks out!
I really appreciate the honest review and I want to really highlight that, but for me that comes with a question. The different versions of this same "HOTAS" that have to my knowledge been released are 3 with the newest being the v2 and I know from experience that most only know of the v1 (blue) and v2 (grey), but the thing is there was a grey one before it was labeled v2 that was different from its blue predecessor and without really knowing what to label it I'll just call it v1.5. This leads me to my first question, and again I appreciated this video and I'm really not defending Logitech (because some of their things are awful!) even though it might seem like it. Which version is it that you are reviewing here, 45-000059 (v2)?
I've used all three versions at one point or another, the latest of which is pictured in this video, all of them are bad. Because the parts that make the product bad is the basic design, which has not changed.
thank you for saving me from a $200 mistake
@@RedTTHayo you have no idea how happy that makes me to save someone from this pain.
@@FalconsLedgewhat’s the best HOTAS for like a 250$ budget I’m getting into sim flying and I want one that is going to last a few years and one that doesn’t feel really bad.
If it absolutely must be hotas meaning traditional throttle, then mix brands, TM TWCS and Winwing Ursa Minor.
If you don't mind doing Omni throttle, then do two ursas, one with the Omni throttle adapter
Also, there is no real negative to going with two different brands, I have a bunch of different brands in my setup, WW, Virpil, VPFORCE, VKB, and Thrustmaster
@@FalconsLedge I was gonna get an X56 but every review is mostly negative so what you’re saying is I should pair a Tm twcs and a winwing Ursa Minor?
i do still plan on buying this, as i have used my friends x56 and it felt fine flew for about a hour.
Ofcourse i do plan on upgrading when i get used to flying with HOTAS (the x56 will be my first one)
@@CoastalAtom don't, it's not worth it. Speaking as someone with infinitely more context and experience with basically everything in the market don't.
"Flew fine" is only your observation because you don't have experience with other cost equivalent sticks.
Buy Winwing ursas, or an Ursa and a TM TWCS, it is infinitely better
Don't buy products from a company that doesn't care about your hobby! They haven't innovated or come out with any new combat sim hardware for over a decade
huh, my x56 has a consistent middle position for the grey pots on the throttle, and the ministick click is bindable. guess thats just inconsistency.
One more reason that they are awful.
@@FalconsLedge You should have shown the insane grip you need to properly use the trim hat without pressing the tms hat
Their advertising should be, "Feel the power as you actuate BOTH hats with one thumb!"
Omg this is hilarious
I bought the Saitek one in 2016 and I've used it for ED and MSFS as well as some indie games, but I it was barely average even at the beginning.
Now as I'm typing this, my nxt evo and stecs mini plus has arrived, can't wait to use the vkb...
It is a world of a difference. I'm very excited for you!
@@FalconsLedge
Yes it's much better although I expected the Hats quality to be better and closer to the ones in real planes, but here they still reminds you that they're indeed plastics...
Hey i would like to know what you would recomment for a budget of around 300 to 350 bucks?
@@Foycs dual Ursa Minor from Winwing (one with the Omni adapter to make it a throttle.)
Just bought one for 140 bucks, upgrading from a keyboard and a PS2 controller strapped to my chair with a cord and a tablet with Touch Portal which I have to see through an oculus quest 1.
I've seen a comparison between this and the X52 and I liked this more, can't afford anything else for hobbies unfortunately, even if they get my brain trained like DCS.
If I won't have fun with DCS offline (not gonna go online) I'll come back, else whoever you are and you care and I still didn't edit this, lmk.
Edit: So the stick is, indeed, not very ergonomic, but all the buttons are there and it's only a matter of time until you get to know how to use them the best.
The overall materials of the stick are fine for the most part and I don't see problems with the spring if not the stick not "centering"/"zero-ing" but nothing I would worry about since you can set deadzones, it's very accurate and the stiffest spring is also very stiff and I will probably change it later.
About the throttle I've had a chance to open it and the construction is very very cheap on the inside and is very easy to break the side knob which sets the throttle stiffness, however is as easy to break as easy to fix but still... don't tight it too much to save the hassle of unscrewing 10+ screws on the base later on.
I really like the plastic and the switches are so satisfying to use, it's full of buttons and looks like they keep spawning the more you look at it; you may get overwhelmed but for the most part you get a lot of buttons for binding everything you need.
It's an HOTAS I've bought second-hand, it was around 130$ and for that price and maybe 40-50$ more I wouldn't put all the hate the video's publisher has indeed put, I'm having much fun and I like the style, looks and feeling.
I'd say instead it's worth it, but if you find other options that you like more or better deals well... make your choice!
@@smoothie3d46 if you like it good for you, lots of people like bad products, and from the sound of it you got a great deal. I hope it serves you well.
@@FalconsLedge For sure! You've made a very good review, I can see you're an experienced user, but some people can't get anything better for the price or their location, and sometimes it's just personal opinions.
There will always be something better, but it's also good to enjoy what you have or you can get.
This said keep up the good work, love your content.
@@smoothie3d46 this is where you are wrong unfortunately.The Winwing Ursa Minor can be purchased for the same price as a retail x56 and it is 100x better. And this is a big reason why I do this. I want to help people get the best they can for their money, no matter how much they spend. I hope you have a great day!
@@FalconsLedge yes you're right, in the US. I live in Italy but whoever asks me for an hotas outside of my country I'll consider this option, I searched for this and couldn't find it anywhere unfortunately. Is it only the stick? Seems pretty solid anyway
@@smoothie3d46 the stick costs 115 and has a Omni option so can be used as a throttle
I have one after T.Flight HOTAS 4. And it feels much better than what I had before. The amount of buttons, switches, hats available is huge.
My main complains are:
1. The throttle has to be connected directly to the PC USB port, otherwise it has ghost inputs. I tried several USB hubs with a power supply and still it happened.
2. Rotating knobs on the throttle handle are "flickering". If I try to use them for e.g. zoom in DCS, then I find myself with epileptic change of zoom (one step range, but it is still annoying) and a need to either zoom in or zoom out a bit to make it stable.
@@LiveseyMD yeah well you went from a t.flight. for what you paid, those issues are absolutely unacceptable. When the X56 came out it had no competition at this price point. That is no longer the case. Logitech doesn't give a flying crap about combat Sims. The product today is the same as it was 10 years ago. It's shameful.
@@FalconsLedge Well it works for now and at the moment I am not at the upgrade point. Probably when it fails I'll invest money into something much more reliable.
@@LiveseyMD Thats great, if it works for you, more power to ya. I hope it serves you well.
I was about to buy it when I saw your video, thank you very much. I will go with a VKB nxt gladiator, and their STECS mini throttle, instead.
So happy to save another from a dead ecosystem
For 45 is worthwhile, but the stick is really inaccurate and bad ergo. You can replace that with something better as you go forward
I upgraded from an X-55 that had the throttle quadrant die (ghost inputs, inconsistent presses) to a pair of VKBs in omni-throttle configuration (I play space sims).
Its chalk and cheese, and I will never be able to go back to the hot garbage that was the Saitek (now Logitec) sticks.
Yes it cost me a lot more for the mounts and all, but they are awesome.
WORTH EVERY PENNY.
@@FalconsLedge they most certainly are!
honestly didn't expect any better words for the x56 but wow that was entertaining to watch (the rant about everything wrong about the x56 - and yes there are a lot of them).
the only thing that strikes me strange was why did Falcons Ledge even bother with reviewing these... e-junks?
Well, I was teaching a aviation and dogfighting class, we needed another hotas, so we picked one up. It was so bad I returned it.
I have been playing Elite Dangerous and DCS for several years using the X56. Over the years I made diy improvements mainly to the throttle and I can honestly say that I somehow got used to it.
But regarding how bad it is, you have not even scratched the surface......
@@georgemathiellis5486 yeah it's really bad, and worse than all of that, is part of a dead ecosystem from a company that doesn't give a crap about combat sims
I came across this video. Thanks for an honest review. However, despite all the problems you said about it. It is around price range I rather spend for a Hotas and I wanted buttons. I do not want to have to spend $500+ to $1k just to have the amount of buttons of the x56 Rhino XD I actually been using it for a long while like a year or 2. 580 hours in DCS so yes perhaps I'm just not caring about the poor quality of it but it certainly did what I wanted and I'm thankful how well it worked for just what I wanted. Good points you made and perhaps something to consider putting a much bigger budget or if anything comes out better but it just for fun and not planning to buy every HOTAS on market just to find the best one for me when the x56 is worth it for me.
@@RaccoonRezillo thanks for your response, however, there are way better options with way more buttons and substantially better quality, accuracy and economics. Look no further than two Winwing Ursa minors. $230 shipping included in the US.
@@RaccoonRezillo also amount of time spent is irrelevant, literally anything in this price range will do that
@@FalconsLedge I must just never seen any others but if it ever comes to buying a new one I try remember to consider that thank you :)
@@RaccoonRezillo have an awesome weekend
@@FalconsLedge so looking into different HOTAS as I am still in the window time to just return my x56 that I currently have. U recommended Winwing Ursa, but what about Gladiator NXT from VKB? Looking into that one seems like it very well and got close to what I want or which one would have more possible Hats and little joy sticks that x56 I liked having? Just taking another look into other good options before I settle with x56 as this one apparently has few sticky or not good Hat and buttons. (weirdly my first one worked great on the buttons)
I had a x56 and then went to TM warthog a couple years ago and it is really worth the extra cash…I have seen them second hand for the same price as a x56 and it is way better the x56 is E waste if you are serious about sim or intend to upgrade one day
I should note I use a Virpil warbrd gimbal so I don’t have to worry about the sticking issues but they can be avoided.
@@gibmeister5854 currently am running a a TMWH grip on Warbrd d and CM3
@@FalconsLedgeif there is one thing I will never change is my grip I have the f18 one and I have not yet found one I like more…. Well I use the f16 one for helicopters cause the apatche needs the buttons but the f18 is a beauty
@@gibmeister5854 I do not like the F18 grip at all for side stick use. I'm sure I'd like it for center stick use.
Same here. Covid Year 2020 and i freshly started (thanks to the Quarantine) again with Flight Sim (DCS). My old DOS PC with Falcon, Gunship and other Sims was gone and the Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS not usuable (and in Comparision not much better than the X-56) so i bought the X-56 as a Start. That lasted not long. The Thrustmaster Warthog was the easy Choice at this Time. I only missed the Rudderfunction of the Logitech because i had no Pedalls at that Time. Now the TPR is a more than worthy replacement for that. I will try the Warbird Base for the Stick because the Warthog Base is not really comfortable for me.
Finally, good video, i really hate this thing much problems but no one talks.
You are so right. I'm still using the throttle part of my X56 with a VKB Gladiator EVO Space Edition Joystick, just until I can justify to my wife the purchase of the STECS throttle. But using the VKB joystick compared to the X56 is like chalk and cheese. I was bitterly disappointed to find that there were no spare parts available for the X56 especially when you consider the grip comes separate from the base in the box. Switch 6 (combination switch 5/6 on the throttle base has failed) The "adjustable" clutch system for the throttle levers is crap. Yes I've used the X56 for 8 plus years, but it's not until one uses good equipment that one realizes
how bad the X56 HOTAS system really is.
I've been working hard to try to help folks to avoid the pitfalls of logitech and low end TM hardware for a long time! Glad you got something better!
This was gonna be a question to ask. If its possible to use the throttle by itself with another stick until one can get both sticks... thanks fot the heads up
im kind of torn. I have an x52 pro and I bought an original run x55 (I pre-ordered which obviously I regret). I love the x55 but it failed catastrophically. I bought the tools and wire to re-wire it, but every time I take it apart I decide im in too deep and close it back up lol. I was considering getting an x56 since it's gone through at least 2 revisions (x56 is a revision on x55, and then logitech made further adjustments to wiring and also supposedly replaced electronics). my x55 stick still works fine and I personal haven't had any of the common issues people have with them, and I use it with the x52 pro throttle since my dual throttle has like a dozen broken wires internally.
Dont sell yourself short! These are not good devices. Keep using your throttle and buy a Winwing Ursa Minor for a stick. You will be in a different world of improvement over anything Logitech produces.
There is a reason why Logitechs ecosystem is dead. It's outdated, horrifically bad quality, and they absolutely don't care about combat Sims they are just leaching off old IP for a free bucks.
Ancient X series sticks were built better. This was from before the MadKatz buyout and before the Logitech buyout. A little of the right lube in the right places helps, but they're not a suitable long term stick. It's suitable for a beginner, but that's it. Edit: I think the big issue is that the X series sticks are 20 year old designs that have been cost cut and never actually improved.
I don't even recommend them for newbies. Buy a single GNX, you will be happier and have a better experience, and even more if you decide flying isn't for you, GNX has a better resale value.
In 2024 there is no reason to buy Logitech.
My X52 was a saitek version purchased in 2005. It was ok then. A bad choice in 2024.
If you absolutely have to buy Logitech, the x52 pro is as far up the stack as I would personally go. If you have the money for an X56, then as Falcon says, pick up something else, almost anything else. Used warthogs are probably about the same price.
@@FalconsLedge And I think the X52 has a better designed stick than the X56, just to ice the poop sandwich.
The warthog has it's own problems. I'd never buy one at MSRP that's for sure.
The grip is nearly identical (as far as the part you hold onto)
what would you recommend for a space sim HOTAS around the 200 dollar mark? I like the X56 because it has extra analog thumbsticks for full 6 DOF without needing a second joystick.
@@extrajava9175 without a doubt 2x Winwing Ursa minors, can't beat them at that price
Free shipping in US of you select Continental US not global shipping
honest question (I don't want to seem rude) I can agree with some flaws in the ergonomics and design that you demonstrated, but as for some other problems: What are the chances that you just have a product with several specific factory defects?
edit: Thanks for your video! It's helping me a lot with my decision to buy a joystick
This isn't the only one I've worked with.
The chances of that are slim.
These issues are also widely reported in many cases.
There is also the fact that I have an enormous amount of experience with sim hardware and I can tell the difference between a design flaw and a defect.
No offense taken, thank you for your interaction!
I was hoping this would be a legit review of a 250.00 starter HOTAS. Bummer. Not sure how it kicked your dog but it’s obvious that it did.
@@markmiranda5644 is an awful value, horrible economics, badly designed gimbal, extremely poor quality, horribly inaccurate sensors, part of a dead ecosystem that hasn't been updated in a decade from a company that has no interest in combat sims. Please tell me how this is better than two Winwing Ursa minors, which are the same cost?
I'll wait.
I wonder if its possible to 3d print a new stick body, and then transfer all the electronics etc over..
@@Trig0r the electronics are one of the worst parts about it. The sensors are literally the worst available in sticks of this cost bracket by far.
@@FalconsLedge my other half bought me one, I was looking at Winwing stuff, there's deffo a reason it was cheaper (£140 she paid for it) I don't get a huge amount of time to play these days so spending what the F16+Shaker+F15 throttle was gonna cost me probably wouldn't have been a good cost/time playing deal...
@@Trig0r keep the throttle, buy a Winwing Ursa as a stick $115. It will be much better than the x56 stick
@@FalconsLedge the x56 uses hall effect sensors, you're being a bit hyperbolic
@@emiloguechoons9030 it uses linear Hall effect sensors, and very low resolution ones at that. Their sensors are so bad, that many pot sensors are far more accurate. Their sensors are amung the worst in the industry.
It's not hyperbole if it's true. Have a nice day.
This review kinda shocked me, I'm currently on a Thrustmaster TM16000 with throttle and quite like it but its getting worn out. I'm gonna wait and save up for Virpil HOSAS instead and just extend there, should have enough life in the HOTAS not to worry about it. Since I'm an EE guy that likes his buttons, some points you meantioned are a big nono for me
@@AstralJaeger Winwing Ursa Minor
@@FalconsLedge I would be willing to spend Virpil money but I'll have a look!
@@AstralJaeger Virpil is great
@@FalconsLedge I heard as much sofar, and I have a feeling the 1000€ spend might be worth it considering it is not... that much more than other manufactureres for what you get.
then what hotas do you reccomend for 200 bucks that’s good quality? I want to buy my first hotas for DCS
@@-_1986_- dual Winwing ursa 115 each with free shipping in some places (us, and some others). If you must have a throttle do one Ursa and a TM TWCS throttle. The stick is the most important part, and the Ursa is many times better.
I had the x55. I thought it was good for a bit but it quickly got horrible. Over time the plastic coating gets tacky and disgusting feeling. The gimble got so bad there was no way to get it to center without a massive deadzone. And the software. sweet jesus was it horrid.
So glad i went VKB after the x55 stopped any pretense of being reliable or usable.
I have to say this was one of the most entertaining reviews I've ever seen from you. The frustration and anger was palpable, and well deserved.
Oh yeah that coating, I forgot to mention it, I had it if l in my original cut but the sd card took a crap. Yes it's horrible too
Similar experience, and it was when they were under their old brand and was at the time still considered to have slightly better QC before they went under, the mini stick on that thing NEVER work though. I dig out half of the dampen grease inside the friction plates just to make it usable, the stick, well, it served its purpose, I get a VKB Black Mambe III later.(Yeah that was way back)
I just finished watching this video, I've been a x52 user for 10+ years, most of my sliders are jittery, my twist axis is so jittery that I need a 80% dead zone on it. the rubbery coating is all gone, I still use it on DCS with my F14 and on Star Citizen
I remember doing AAR with m F14, I grabbed the basket for 10 seconds and I was happy, my hand probably needed a chiropractor after that lol
I've been wanting to upgrade for a long time, I'm just not sure what to get between WinWing, VKB and Virpil
I don't know if I should get the NXT with a throttle or get a Gunfighter mk4 while using my x52 throttle or just get the Orion 2 Max HOTAS since it's the cheapest combo
I think the X52 has a great ergonomy. Both the stick and the throttle. It's no Virpil, but nor is the pricing.
No it really doesn't. Again, I've used nearly everything, and by far the Logitech devices are some of the worst.
And it's funny that you mention Virgil. More cost doesn't exempt you from ergo failures. In fact, Virpil made a similar mistake in the constellation alpha grip that I'm currently testing. There are elements of ergonomics that are 100% subjective, but some are objective. The face design of the X series is objectively bad.
Virtually all of those I've encountered who believe they are good ergonomically, are still using them, and don't have the proper context to tell the difference.
Cost has little to do with ergo.
@@FalconsLedge The X52 stick is packed with functionality given the price - the 2 HAT switches, the pinky switch, the 2 way trigger, the mode selector - all at your fingertips. In comparison, the T16000M has 1 HAT switch, 1 trigger and 3 buttons. What is that good for? Lylat Wars?! LoL!
Furthermore, my X52 laster for years without major issues whereas my T16000M died within one year and when you read forums, pretty much everybody develops that Z-axis issue on the damn thing and Thrustmaster refuses to fix it after over a decade of complaints.
With that said, nowadays, anybody even a tiny bit serious about joystick should skip all the mainstream stuff and go straight to the NXT Premium and if they are on a budget, they should buy the NXT Standard. Everything else is irrelevant XD.
Also, neither the X52, nor the X56 are Logitech designed. The X52 was designed by Saitek, the X56 by Mad Catz. When I think of old Logitech joysticks, they were actually pretty good ergonomically, even the 3D Extreme Pro fits in the hand nicely, definitely a lot better than the T16000M.
Here is a question: in 2024 which is the more embarassing product, the extremely tried X56 still cruising around or the new turtlebeach stuff?
The new Turtle Beach stuff are an enigma. While they look better than the X56, but they have such odd decision making in design, and such wasted, useless features.
You could say that in the end the new TB things are a modern version of the X56. I have a feeling that those who move on from devices you can buy on store shelves and either buy more advanced hardware made by companies who actually care about our hobby or build their own will eventually look upon the TB offerings in a similar way to how we look at the X56 today.
I’ve got a t16000 fcs and want to upgrade.
The x56 isn't a big upgrade, in fact it is less accurate than the t16k and not better quality either. I'd save a bit more and pick up a gladiator nxt/stecs or winwing combo.
@@FalconsLedge legend thank you that was an answer I was expecting rather than bait you with the question 👍👍
I rarely have issues with the stick portion.. The ghosting that throttle does though? It's shelved for life or I'll whip it against the dang wall.
You would have issues with the stick I'd you tried something better. Context gives you clarity.
I have used this device now for a 5-6 years and i absolutely don't have any of these problems? Sounds like i'm lucky.
Or, and keep in mind I mean this with absolutely no disrespect. You have all of those problems, but you have no realistic point of reference to know what those problems feel like because this is the best device you've used.
It's called blistful ignorance, it's not a bad thing to have, and certainly not an insult to you.
I bought it. Im enjoying it. 😂 you used the wrong model in the tab 😂 my only grit with it is the thrusters a little too close to the top right switches. Its okay though for preflight . Otherwise a good hotas.
@@eltontonge4186 when compared to it's peers it's really, really bad. Glad you like it though.
I'm buying an x54 off of someone for 45$ USD, is this good for my first hotas?
So what do you recommend instead?
Two Winwing Ursa Minors (one with Omni grip). Same price, considerably better in nearly every respect
do you think that the thrust master TCA Airbus edition is good? btw great vid! 🔥🔥🔥
If it's the absolute most you can spend, then it's sufficient. I focus on bang for your buck, and I don't think it's a great value. If I were buying and I was limited on money, I'd rather buy just the stick and get a gladiator NXT, or winwing Orion 2 stick only and pick up the throttle later than buy the T16K (internally the same as the TCA in most ways) or anything built by Logitech.
Love it myself
@@cosmic4037 some people's standards are really low. ;) nothing wrong with that, it just means it's easier to satisfy you, and that's great. Continue loving it!
MAYBE Logitech will do an upgrade now that Thrustmaster made Ava...maybe
The chances of this are miniscule.
And winwing just released a stick in China that is rumored to be coming soon to everywhere else that is 110 usd. Omni is rumored to be available. There will really be no reason to buy Logitech with that option ~240 shipped for stick/throttle in US.
@@FalconsLedge I don’t know, Logitech loves to create something expensive and stick the name Pro after it, that’s all they’ve been doing recently lol
I’ve used a lot of mouse and keyboard over the years from Logitech and I noticed the quality control decreasing while the price has gone up
@@falmatrix2r but they didn't give a flying crap about combat sims. They haven't really created or even significantly updated any of their combat sim products since they acquired them.
I wouldn't hold my breath ;)
@@FalconsLedge I’m not holding my breath for anything Logitech related, my x52 was still before Saitek got bought lol
Kinda makes me wonder what if Saitek was still a thing, maybe they’d have a better stick
@@falmatrix2r saitek was never big on making high end products. They delved into it a tiny bit wth a fssb. Unfortunately it used the stick from the x56, which is awful.
Could they continue to be a big mid-low player? Yeah certainly.
You used the blue tooth model in the tab though 😂
@@eltontonge4186 what?
dude if you have cramps and gas doesnt mean its bad does it ?
It's bad because it's really bad. There is no reason to buy one at MSRP on 2024. have a good one.
which other one is better for 300 dollars?
Winwing Ursa minors, one with the z extension.
can attest, garbage tier stick and throttle - throttle is somewhat better than the stick but still not great. 300 bucks down the drain
@@lotuschamp7796 agree,I returned the one I tested because I was so disappointed
Hey, so I’m not fully convinced about not buying the X56 because I’m from Brazil, and a $250 HOTAS here is around $400. Can you please suggest a very cheap HOTAS that is good, has a lot of buttons, and can substitute some functions of a mouse?
@@guiguiwagner7764 yes, two Winwing Ursa minors, if you want hotas go with the left hand a Omni grip.
Hell if you must have a throttle get a TWCS and an Ursa Minor
Point is: 1. Don't buy into a dead ecosystem. There hasn't been any new hardware from Logitech for over a decade, and there isn't anything new coming. 2. Some buy hardware from a company that doesn't care about your hobby.
The difference between the Ursa and the x56 it's absolutely huge.
@@FalconsLedge ok thanks ill check for these sticks and throttles
@@FalconsLedge ok so I checked them and like are they actually good? The material looks so fragile, but I'm trusting you right now, so do you actually think this 2 are the best option?
I'm from Brazil as well and my advice for you is, if you are short on money, it's not reasonable to invest like ~R$2500 (roughly US$450) in this shitty outdated x56 hotas which is sold from a company that isn't even focused on making flight simulation peripherals (they bought Saitek, the original manufacturer of the x56, and later rebranded it to Logitech).
I mean, their mouses, keyboards and stuff are OK, but when it comes down to gaming oriented systems, they really lack quality and stand way behind companies that actually care for the simulation market, like Winwing as mentioned, or VKBSim, another outstanding brand.
If you don't want to waste your money on bad quality outdated stuff, and don't have enough money to spend on more expensive top-tier HOTAS like Virpil or Winwing, I suggest buying the VKB Gladiator NXT Evo stick first, and then saving for the VKB STECS throttle later on. VKBSim has an official store in Aliexpress from their China branch, and don't be fooled by thinking that it's fake or poor quality just because it's manufactured in China (as most people joke about). Winwing is also chinese and is one of the best rated rigs amongst the hardcore gamers, and VKB is no different in this sense.
As of now (08/2024), the VKB Gladiator NXT Evo costs R$973,28 (~US$175) + shipping costs of ~R$150 (~US$27) + importation taxes (which you may get if you are unlucky, but seems they are charging somewhere inbetween R$200 - 300).
@@MatheusHenrique-mr4ed very much so, this is certainly what I recommend
I see you may be from utah. Team Lehi!
I am from Utah yep.
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You just like it when I rant
that too, you are still a wanker :D@@FalconsLedge
This is not a defective joystick. I have the same thing
Defective?? No. Terrible, yes, poor quality yes. Not worth buying, absolutely.
Alas, no one opened my eyes before buying.@@FalconsLedge
vkb ftw
Broo im a fucking pilot and I have it, this is the most realistic flight controller! people need to buy this and you convince them not to buy!
I mean its kinda cheap
If by cheap you mean junky then I agree.
@FalconsLedge I mean it's just 250$, and most other hotas either cost way more or way less
@@Barvazi1 there are better options for 250. Id much rather have one decent stick for 250 than this pile of garbage.
@FalconsLedge which hotas do u recommend for 250$ better than this X56, cuz i'm watching reviews to take a choice
@muntathr_g6830 dual Winwing Ursa minors (one with Omni adapter for use as a throttle) more button options, extremely better accuracy, vastly better ergonomics, and an ecosystem that isn't dead, from a company that actually cares about your hobby. For the same price.
Tell ne pls a other Stick for 250€
I would much rather have a single gladiator NXT EVO than this setup, any day.
@@FalconsLedgebut it’s not so bad , it’s now on sale Amazon 210€ i don’t find anything else for the prise
@@kacperkorol7400 is still bad. It's an awful device. Terrible quality, bad accuracy, bad feel, terrible ergonomics. Awful garbage.
@@kacperkorol7400 Look, as someone who has played spacesims since the 90s I can say that the stick is the most fundamental part, get a Gladiator NXT EVO Premium and later upgrade with a throttle piece, between Virpil's new throttle, VKB and Winwing there are decent throttle options sold standalone you can buy later.
If you are in EU like me both Virpil and VKB have European storefronts that are reliable and don't charge too much for delivery, VKB's Gladiator NXT EVO Premium is an excellent stick, much better than the one that comes with the X56, and should be within your budget.
250 € of garbage
Absolutely. I knew what it was, and I was still disappointed. I don't know if I could've gone in with lower expectations.
happy owner of a gladiator nxt. actually looking for a throttle. Maybe good old 240€ warthog is still worth that money? after all these years??
@@fabioccio8863 id buy Winwing, the new cheap throttle from Virpil before The WH. I'd buy the VKB STECS before the WH. In terms of value proposition, it goes WW>VPC Cadet > VKB > VPC CM3 > WH
It’s 211$
@@conductingintomfoolery9163 almost every place a non refurbished model is 239-260. Also two Ursa minors are the same cost and are 10x better, have a great day
Du zeigst es kein einziges Mal in das oder msfs
@@Flexi2012mfs Ich wollte eine ausführliche Rezension schreiben, fand es aber so schlimm, dass ich es zurückgab. Ich hatte kein Interesse daran, damit zu filmen. Ich bin fast einen Monat damit geflogen, was meine übliche Rezensionszeit ist.
Who paid you to rubbish this controller? You come across a boring winger, I have used a more expensive controllers and they all have short comings.
@@Ron-p7y no, the dad part is that I paid money to be horribly disappointed by this pile of garbage. There are considerably better sticks for your money. Logitech sells absolute trash.
bro they didnt say the joystick didnt blow up they said it didnt have any problem and you base your opinion on a guess based on what you think you know
I base my opinion on decades of experience with dozens of sticks.
Have a nice day.
had mine since it came out and it s still working used almost every day so your full of crap,ops sorry I take back my comment I got the x52
@@object1084 lol having something for a long time doesn't mean it's not poor quality. Welcome to sunk cost fallacy land.
@@FalconsLedge so tell me what isnt over priced and made out crap this day and age almost anything you buy is not made to last
@@object1084 two Winwing Ursa minors, same price as the x56 but many times better in every respect. Have a great day.
@@object1084 I totally get it man, you have a device, you see a video saying don't buy it. So you watch, and disagree, not because what I'm saying isn't true, but you like the device, and because this is the best thing you've used for an extended time, and I'm sure you researched your purchase (a decade ago) you believe you have the best bang for your buck. And at one time you did .
The problem is, Logitech bought the company that produced the x56, and did absolutely nothing with it. No innovation, no improvements, no new products for the ecosystem. Why? Because combat sims aren't mice, or audio devices, by comparison it's super niche, and so Logitech doesn't give a crap about combat sims.
It's a dead ecosystem. I created my channel years ago to help people get the best bang for your buck. And I seek to help people avoid problematic devices
Like..... Products in a dead ecosystem from a company that doesn't care about their hobby.
If you want to know where my opinion. On this device comes from, it's because I've used ALL of it's competitors l, and weighed it's cost vs features vs quality, and all of Logitechs products can't even break the C Tier it's not good.
its a chuck away wold buddie they make stuff now that is made to break hell I still got my first logitech mouse and keyboard got in the late 80s back then things where made right this day and age its all plastic and spat out in the millions so if you want a really good one your going to have give them a arm or a leg and pay lots but your right though that stick is way over priced and sorry I got the x52 not x 56 so I take back my first comment
lol
Du redest von Anfang an nur schlecht früber
@@Flexi2012mfs ja, das ist eine Schimpftirade, und sie hat es zu 100 % verdient. Im Jahr 2024 ist das absolut nicht der Rede wert, ein schreckliches Produkt.
I got a bad headache listening to you whine over a budget joystick. Worse than a woman. Sorry. Just being honest as you think your review is. You are telling people in their comments DO NOT BUY IT. This is just your opinion. Maybe people don't have the money for a better one. Stop moaning.
@@johne1083 an opinion informed by decades of experience. An opinion formed through experience with all of the sticks around this one in price and those better and worse. An opinion that is absolutely accurate based on facts about this device and those competing with it. Your response is dripping with the sunk cost fallacy. My channel is here to help people get the best for their money. And this is not it. People should not buy devices from a dead ecosystem, from a company that doesn't care about their hobby. If hearing this offends you, thats ok. You are welcome to your opinion, it's ok to be wrong. Have a nice day.
sad state of hotas.
buy 50 bucks basic thrustmaster hotas x
or 500 bucks winwing hotas max
x-56 was the only in between. why it has too be horribly made
@@sdhiousdfyhsdioufsdoiufh totally not true.
Winwing Ursa is a fantastic bang for your buck. Two of them are the same price as the x56!