"He had also been planning to demonstrate the rifle in The Netherlands but that visit was called off on a forecast with a high probability of Nazis." Ian is a comedic genius.
This is my rifle, this is my gun. One is for shooting, the other's for fun. Or??? This is my Johnson, this is my Johnson. One is for shooting, the other's for fun. The Gunny would be confused...
I am a little concerned for Ian's safety. I mean... someone successfully lured him into a basement promising to shown him their Johnson. Didn't Ian's mother warn him about this sort of thing?!
Unfortunately when it comes to WW2 firearms, sometimes people can be wildly misunderstood. If you ever get invited to examine a Grease Gun, get shown someone's Johnson, play with some Boys and inspect a very rare Nazi PP don't turn down the opportunity even if it sounds suspicious at first.
@@axilleastsoulas1036 Yes they do. And if anyone feels hard done by viewing later there's an easy choice to make. (... not saying At0mic890 feels that way, mind ....)
Could be both. Could be a shooting hook as well, loop the sling through it temporarily to provide additional stability in standing or kneeling firing positions.
Yes, that should be a stacking swivel, while the actual sling would use the one in the middle. Using a shooting sling like the M1907, as trained, would likely cause malfunctions if using the forward swivel, as tension on the sling would interfere with the reciprocating barrel.
Lol I was just playing battlefield 5 experimenting with the Johnson , it's nice to see history on a gun I wasn't exposed to about world war II , good luck Ian
Taft-Peirce was a sewing machine company that later switched to making measuring tools and gauges. We still have some magnetic right-angle plates made by them where I work.
"You didn't click on this video to look at the markings... You clicked on it to look at this weird funky handguard." I happen to actually be in the "Oh it's today's video, Nice. Let's check it out." camp I assume I'm not entirely alone in that regard.
No you aren't wrong, easy to recognize: sling swivels are CLOSED, stacking swivels have got that cut to fiddle them together and apart again. and you mostly find them on American gun designs. Ian even made a long video explaining the different forms of these stacking methods and was so happy he finally got shown the correct way to use stacking swivels after he never understood how they work. Seems he is too busy with seeing hundreds of guns per year to remember half the things his audience watches these video reviews for :D
@@Ugly_German_Truths I got bad news for you. That IS a stacking swivel. If you look real close especially @8:50 paused, it's split at the bottom. you can clearly tell before and after it's a stacking swivel not a forward sling swivel.
@8:47 That is not a sling swivel but instead a stacking swivel. Stacking swivels, of that design, have been on US Army Rifles since the 1873 Springfield. The M1 Rifle was the last US Army rifle with the stacking swivel, with the feature being deleted with the adoption of the M14.
You can still stack M14s and later rifles by making a small loop in the sling, and sticking the barrels of two other rifles through it to make the tripod.
The added weight of a handguard might actually help maintain reliable operation when attaching the bayonet, since the weight of the blade would have a smaller relative impact on the overall reciprocating mass.
When I was a kid my local gun shop had 3 of these in their used gun rack and I told my Dad that they looked brand New..That was at Davis Gun Shop in Falls Church Virginia around 1964 or so...
I looked into some history of this gun. Turns out it did surprisingly well in the field and marines in the pacific had overwhelmingly positive things to say about. The marines actually tried to adopt it, but the Army Ordinance Dept. snubbed it for the M-1 Garand that they already had invested into heavily.
I could also imagine that even if a sling could be attached there, that perhaps attching a sling to a reciprocating part of the action doesn't sound like a very good idea.
"You clicked on this video to see this fancy heatguard" Ian don't seem to notice or care, what most ppl watching would watch Ian make reviews of literally anything.
The sling swivle on the front end is actualy a stacking swivle. it was used too stack groups of three rifles for temporary storage. it was not intended to be used for a sling
8:50 That's not a sling swivel but rather a stacking swivel same as on the M1 Garand. At the command of STACK ARMS three soldiers would hook together 3 stacking swivels to form a tripod.
A lovely looking rifle, but if you really look at it you can see why it never really worked out as a military arm. Simply put, there is just too much going on, reciprocating barrel, weird magazine, over complicated wood etc.. The Garand by comparison is elegantly simple.
Beautiful rifle and a fascinating history as well - kind of a shame this never made it I like it a lot!! I would love to visit the Cody Firearms Museum, seems just like my kinda place and ... best of all .. it's recommended by Gun Jesus!
It sure would be nice to have new production of the M1941 given the HIDEOUS prices which will only get worse. I’d like a supply of new parts, particularly barrels, and a new-manufacture rifle. Unfortunately, the demand likely isn’t there to make production profitable.
@@bravo0105 well..somehow Italy keeps churning out all those cowboy guns, I think i could be done, but it would just require getting these peasky youngsters to stop thinking solely in AR15s.
The 19th Century cowboy guns are better known, mechanically simpler, won’t be as exacting tolerance-wise as a semiautomatic, and are chambered in lower-pressure cartridges than .30-06. I can’t begrudge the youngsters their Stoner-Armalites as they’re cheaper and effectively a refined Johnson Automatic. The next best thing would be a BRN-10.
Been to the Cody Firearms museum. Impressive collection. A lot of information there. My main reason for going. Also went to the Buffalo Bill Cody museum as well and was impressed with what I didn't know about Buffalo Bill. Didn't get to the other three museums in the building/complex. Admission is good for two days.
But the Johnson is a short recoil system, while the Auto 5 was long recoil (the new "A5" is Inertia). Similar, but fairly different. The Johnson rifle has more in common with your typical semi-auto pistol than with the Auto 5.
That third swivel is a "stacking swivel" not a sling swivel. You see those on M-1 Garands, and IIRC, M-1903s and M-1917as. It is so 3 rifles could be connected and stand up on their own.
The swivel near the bayonet lug is a STACKING SWIVEL not a sling swivel. The split is a clue that it is meant to form a triangle with two(+) other rifles. This an interesting model. Thanks for the video.
I definitely agree that is a stacking swivel on the front end of the the rifle, as so many have posted below. Many are the times that I myself have "brain farted" over a very simple part of an extremely nuanced subject. It is very easy to miss the obvious trees in the forest while crawling down through the weeds. It is part of being human. I think with the many pressures to get new content out for us to watch, this gentleman had one slip by. He obviously knows what a stacking swivel is. "To err is human...," Thanks for the content and your work, Ian.
Ian, the front sling is a "stacking sling," not a sling to be sling carried. If the swivel is split it is a stacking swivel, merely meant to stack rifles.
the ring at the end looks more like a stacking swivel that maybe got bent closed a bit instead of a sling swivel looks a lot like the ones on the M1 Garand
Didn’t expect to see someone’s Johnson in a Forgotten Weapons video… I don’t think that was Ian’s Johnson, I think someone else got theirs out for him?
I actually DID click on this to check out the markings! 😜In all seriousness though, Markings, badging and labeling on manufactured items is a fascinating aspect of collecting by itself. Zippo lighter collectors know ALL about this! 👍😊👍
The front swivel is for piling arms in a tripod arrangement...doesn't make it any better because who would pile a self loader unless it's some reserve unit?...non front line..
I don't get the stock and pseudo grip on this and Garand. This is happening AFTER all the attempt and failures on duality(LMG vs Automatic Rifle) of BAR. Wouldn't people adopt grip and stock reminiscent of that arrangement as we can see on something like Monitor?
Wonder what could have been then if he had chambered it in .303. The rotary magazine seems like it would be more easily adaptable to a rimmed cartridge than at least a double stack box
"He had also been planning to demonstrate the rifle in The Netherlands but that visit was called off on a forecast with a high probability of Nazis." Ian is a comedic genius.
That line is good enough to be a Drachism. sm
goddamn time jumping nazis
I did Nazi that comming
@@m.degroot6837 Ayyy, nice.
Those weatherman in the Netherlands… they have the strangest forecasts…
But accurate in this instance, which is more than I can say for my local forecasters.
@Khail Kupsky yeah, if you just mosey on down to Belgium it is twice as likely.
@Khail Kupsky rain, yes. Flood, never. We’re way too high.
And I always thought snow was the worst part of the forecast, but a high chance of Nazis is a lot worse.
@@jorisvanoeffel4721 - high on what ? 😂 We are still raising the dijken
The comments seem to consist of "that's not a swing swivel,that's a stacking swivel" or "Ian really shouldn't be playing with somebody else's Johnson"
Yeah a bunch of 60 year olds with the sense of humor of 12 year olds... *sigh*
In fact Ian made a video about stacking rods and swivels in 2018.
He he he he Ian is talking about Johnson development. ;P
@@ca9968
Yes, this was what happens when one wants someone to put their feed lips on their Johnson better.
@@CtrlAltRetreat My mother told me about people like you. She said watch out for them. They're really funny.
"You didn't click on this video to look at the markings, you clicked on this to look at this funky, weird handguard."
He really gets us.
Some people just like to see other guys Johnson handguards.
you've never seen an uncircumcized johnson before?
You can't trust soldiers to use their Johnsons responsibly. Bad idea.
*syphilis intensifies*
We can't trust our Johnson to do anything responsibly!
This is my rifle, this is my gun. One is for shooting, the other's for fun.
Or??? This is my Johnson, this is my Johnson. One is for shooting, the other's
for fun.
The Gunny would be confused...
You win the internet today, sir!
you cant trust soldiers to use anything ,that they dont personaly own , responsibly :D
I am a little concerned for Ian's safety.
I mean... someone successfully lured him into a basement promising to shown him their Johnson.
Didn't Ian's mother warn him about this sort of thing?!
Their BIG and POWERFUL Johnson
@@fredo51 what?
Unfortunately when it comes to WW2 firearms, sometimes people can be wildly misunderstood. If you ever get invited to examine a Grease Gun, get shown someone's Johnson, play with some Boys and inspect a very rare Nazi PP don't turn down the opportunity even if it sounds suspicious at first.
@@fredo51 Who thought that?
@@zacharyrollick6169 dn did i believe
The swivel up near the bayonet lug is a stacking swivel, to allow soldiers to stack their weapons in a sort of teepee.
Yes, it's a typical french traditional technique. In French it's name "Quillon" (or "quillons" if is concern more rifles)
“ forecast with a high probability of Nazi’s..”
I’m dying! 🤣😂🤣
Cloudy with a Chance of Stukas was not the most successful children's book.
Im crying, this is so hilarious
Bad Ju Ju..... always check the political forecasts before selling arms.
@@danspragens4935 ...right next to "Heinz's new Black Uniform"
Better take your umbrella with you then!
I always look forward to Ian talking about unusual Johnsons
That's a perfect example of really big and nice Johnson.
Him and lockpickinglawyer have the best Johnsons
Looks like a clean Johnson too. Have to be gentle and make sure not to rough it up.
an uncut johnson, one could call it
remove this right now
Delet This 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hope you get top comment sir.
@@At0mic890 I mean they do directly contribute to these videos...
@@axilleastsoulas1036 Yes they do. And if anyone feels hard done by viewing later there's an easy choice to make. (... not saying At0mic890 feels that way, mind ....)
All the fan boys are losing it over Ian showing off his Johnson ...
It's not even HIS or he would not have had to go to Cody to show it :P
All the fan boys are losing it over Ian showing off a Buffalo Bill Johnson.*
FTFY
That front "sling swivel" has a notch missing. I'm thinking that may be for stacking the rifles more than an actual sling point
Could be both. Could be a shooting hook as well, loop the sling through it temporarily to provide additional stability in standing or kneeling firing positions.
That’s what I was thinking, as well. Just like on the M1 Garand and the M1903.
Yes, that should be a stacking swivel, while the actual sling would use the one in the middle. Using a shooting sling like the M1907, as trained, would likely cause malfunctions if using the forward swivel, as tension on the sling would interfere with the reciprocating barrel.
Uncle Sam loves his rifle teepees.
Lol I was just playing battlefield 5 experimenting with the Johnson , it's nice to see history on a gun I wasn't exposed to about world war II , good luck Ian
Ian: "the very first two Johnson prototype rifles were made by a little machine shop"
My brain: "a /violent/ little machine shop?" 😏
No more violent than your home shop.
During a world war, the forecast for invasion in the Netherlands is 50%
Taft Pierce is a well respected toolmaker in machining tools/gauges etc.
Taft-Peirce was a sewing machine company that later switched to making measuring tools and gauges. We still have some magnetic right-angle plates made by them where I work.
"You didn't click on this video to look at the markings... You clicked on it to look at this weird funky handguard."
I happen to actually be in the "Oh it's today's video, Nice. Let's check it out." camp
I assume I'm not entirely alone in that regard.
The background is so perfect it looks like a greenscreen
The JAR, Johnson Automatic Rifle.
I do believe that the sling swivel on the end is a stacking swivel instead. But I could be wrong.
You are correct.
No you aren't wrong, easy to recognize: sling swivels are CLOSED, stacking swivels have got that cut to fiddle them together and apart again. and you mostly find them on American gun designs.
Ian even made a long video explaining the different forms of these stacking methods and was so happy he finally got shown the correct way to use stacking swivels after he never understood how they work.
Seems he is too busy with seeing hundreds of guns per year to remember half the things his audience watches these video reviews for :D
@@Ugly_German_Truths I got bad news for you. That IS a stacking swivel. If you look real close especially @8:50 paused, it's split at the bottom. you can clearly tell before and after it's a stacking swivel not a forward sling swivel.
If i'm being honest... that gun sounds and looks like something straight out of fallout.
You know he's serious when he has the gloves on
I literally just saw someone shooting one of these at a range in NC two weeks ago. Very interesting piece of machinery
@8:47 That is not a sling swivel but instead a stacking swivel. Stacking swivels, of that design, have been on US Army Rifles since the 1873 Springfield. The M1 Rifle was the last US Army rifle with the stacking swivel, with the feature being deleted with the adoption of the M14.
You can still stack M14s and later rifles by making a small loop in the sling, and sticking the barrels of two other rifles through it to make the tripod.
The added weight of a handguard might actually help maintain reliable operation when attaching the bayonet, since the weight of the blade would have a smaller relative impact on the overall reciprocating mass.
This gun seems like it would fit nicely in a Fallout game.
It was in a game called Hidden and Dangerous if I remember it correctly...
Thanks for sharing. The Dutch Marines used the Johnson rifle and there are still a few in collections.
My Johnson works perfectly fine. Never had any developmental issues or anything like that
Lololol!
@Jonesy 1776 no probably not, but I'm 6 years old apparently so I went with it, 😉👍
I litterally just a this rifle yesterday in the marine museum in the netherlands and i had no idea what is was. Great timing lol
When I was a kid my local gun shop had 3 of these in their used gun rack and I told my Dad that they looked brand New..That was at Davis Gun Shop in Falls Church Virginia around 1964 or so...
The front swivel is a stacking hook, not a sling swivel.
The story of Melvin Johnson and his rifles and light machine guns is very cool and interesting.
I looked into some history of this gun. Turns out it did surprisingly well in the field and marines in the pacific had overwhelmingly positive things to say about. The marines actually tried to adopt it, but the Army Ordinance Dept. snubbed it for the M-1 Garand that they already had invested into heavily.
The swivel on the bajonett lug looks like a stacking swivel, for building rifle pyramids
I could also imagine that even if a sling could be attached there, that perhaps attching a sling to a reciprocating part of the action doesn't sound like a very good idea.
It looks like it because it is.
Yep. Definitely a stacking swivel.
Definitely a stacking swivel....
Definitely a stacking swivel?
That's one of the most beautiful rifles I've ever seen. It's a shame I'll probably never even see a real one.
the wood has a pretty colour, but the gun's peoportions and stock shape are a bit weird.
"You clicked on this video to see this fancy heatguard"
Ian don't seem to notice or care, what most ppl watching would watch Ian make reviews of literally anything.
The Dutch Marine Corps used them until the 1950s in the Netherlands beside the M1 Garand.
Had never heard of this rifle before then I see one in person on Saturday and this video on Tuesday.....
The sling swivle on the front end is actualy a stacking swivle. it was used too stack groups of three rifles for temporary storage. it was not intended to be used for a sling
8:50 That's not a sling swivel but rather a stacking swivel same as on the M1 Garand. At the command of STACK ARMS three soldiers would hook together 3 stacking swivels to form a tripod.
Lee Enfield rifles have a similar fitting
@@captainswoop8722 Lots of rifles had stacking swivels. Springfields, Krags, M1917s and others ua-cam.com/video/qAohrwELjv0/v-deo.html
Beat me to it. Dang.
I’m stunned Ian got that wrong… it’s got the open section in the loop …curious
@Atman Gotango No, even worse, that's clearly a full automatic tactical assault muzzle enhancement device.
Thank you , Ian .
A lovely looking rifle, but if you really look at it you can see why it never really worked out as a military arm. Simply put, there is just too much going on, reciprocating barrel, weird magazine, over complicated wood etc..
The Garand by comparison is elegantly simple.
I literally have never seen this gun until I went to some WWII museum Wednesday and now suddenly you do a video on it
oh now I see the 1941 video in my play next section which is the one I actually saw
A Honda owner's favourite rifle. 4:18
Imagine fixing your bayonet, but not fixing it completely, and the next time you fire you hit the target with both a bullet and a flying bayonet
Beautiful rifle and a fascinating history as well - kind of a shame this never made it I like it a lot!!
I would love to visit the Cody Firearms Museum, seems just like my kinda place and ... best of all .. it's recommended by Gun Jesus!
Also recommended by Ashley Hlebinsky: "Gun Mary" ;)
I know I know you will all tell me it’s pointless, but this is a rifle I wouldn’t mind someone making modern replicas of.
It sure would be nice to have new production of the M1941 given the HIDEOUS prices which will only get worse. I’d like a supply of new parts, particularly barrels, and a new-manufacture rifle. Unfortunately, the demand likely isn’t there to make production profitable.
@@bravo0105 well..somehow Italy keeps churning out all those cowboy guns, I think i could be done, but it would just require getting these peasky youngsters to stop thinking solely in AR15s.
The 19th Century cowboy guns are better known, mechanically simpler, won’t be as exacting tolerance-wise as a semiautomatic, and are chambered in lower-pressure cartridges than .30-06. I can’t begrudge the youngsters their Stoner-Armalites as they’re cheaper and effectively a refined Johnson Automatic. The next best thing would be a BRN-10.
I'd love a scaled down model in 7.62*39.
Pretty sure there's tons of johnson replicas going around
Been to the Cody Firearms museum. Impressive collection. A lot of information there. My main reason for going. Also went to the Buffalo Bill Cody museum as well and was impressed with what I didn't know about Buffalo Bill. Didn't get to the other three museums in the building/complex. Admission is good for two days.
the recoil stroke on the Johnson rifle feels like a brutal Browning A5 in a way... kind of an odd feeling shooting one.
So... You're saying the stroke on the johnson feels odd when it shoots?
But the Johnson is a short recoil system, while the Auto 5 was long recoil (the new "A5" is Inertia). Similar, but fairly different.
The Johnson rifle has more in common with your typical semi-auto pistol than with the Auto 5.
Man 3 videos on Johnson's rifle and not even once do we get a closer look at the internals of the rotary magazine!
That third swivel is a "stacking swivel" not a sling swivel. You see those on M-1 Garands, and IIRC, M-1903s and M-1917as. It is so 3 rifles could be connected and stand up on their own.
The swivel near the bayonet lug is a STACKING SWIVEL not a sling swivel. The split is a clue that it is meant to form a triangle with two(+) other rifles. This an interesting model. Thanks for the video.
I just woke up and I am excited to see this have a good day ian
Saaammee lol
@@AlaskaMan010 hope u had a good sleep
I definitely agree that is a stacking swivel on the front end of the the rifle, as so many have posted below.
Many are the times that I myself have "brain farted" over a very simple part of an extremely nuanced subject. It is very easy to miss the obvious trees in the forest while crawling down through the weeds. It is part of being human.
I think with the many pressures to get new content out for us to watch, this gentleman had one slip by. He obviously knows what a stacking swivel is.
"To err is human...,"
Thanks for the content and your work, Ian.
Ian, the front sling is a "stacking sling," not a sling to be sling carried. If the swivel is split it is a stacking swivel, merely meant to stack rifles.
That's a stacking swivel up front
Came to read all the johnson comments. Wasnt disappointed
I wonder how it would affect the action cycling, if the barrel handguard was being rested on something?
Not in a positive way, I'm guessing.
simple, it'll fail to operate correctly. Resting up the forearm on anything will screw up the recoil.
Wyoming let’s gooo! Great video too, love learning and you help a lot, have a good day!
@07:00 "most of you clicked to see this funky handguard"
No, Ian, most of us clicked to watch you play with a big Johnson.
the ring at the end looks more like a stacking swivel that maybe got bent closed a bit instead of a sling swivel
looks a lot like the ones on the M1 Garand
The vfw museum by my house has one. They apparently liberated dachau too.
Ian Ian Ian, you know that "forward sling swivel" is actually a stacking swivel. I only know these kinds of things because of your channel.
Laytex gloves and a Johnson.... I like where this is going!
There was already a good magazine for 303 British available but he didn't use the BAR magazine either.
Alright, which one of you rifles got my M1 pregnant?
😆😆😆
I will never be able to unsee that.
The front most swivel looks more like the stacking swivel of a Lee-Enfield.
It is a stacking swivel. 1903s and M1s have the same setup.
Not the first time he's called a stacking swivel a sling swivel. It's a pretty common mistake really.
@@brucebelvin2058 Yes, and I've seen the swivels reversed on a number of guns, one of my SMLEs was flipped around when I got it.
I'm pretty sure the front swivel is a stacking swivel
Makes you wonder why they didn't go with a folding bayonet
Hard to sharpen with it fixed to the rifle.
I wish we saw this gun more often in videogames. It looks so cool.
Didn’t expect to see someone’s Johnson in a Forgotten Weapons video…
I don’t think that was Ian’s Johnson, I think someone else got theirs out for him?
I did these jokes so you don’t have to. 😄
@@nicholsliwilson ...whips out Johnson, affixes bayonet....
@@TheWolfsnack LOL!
I mean, do you really expect anything else from us?
Maybe it was a "show me yours, I'll show you mine" kind of situation.
"Prototype Johnson" would make a good name for a Jazz Fusion band.
Would be cool to see one of those box mag fed Johnsons
If you have to attach odd bits and ends to your project you’re on the wrong track. Look how clean the Garand is.
8:46 That’s a stacking swivel…
That was very interesting thanks for sharing your video
It looks so good
The far swivel is a stacking swivel.
I didn't click for the handguard I just clicked because I'm dutch and anything related to my great country's history has my interest up 900%
I actually DID click on this to check out the markings! 😜In all seriousness though, Markings, badging and labeling on manufactured items is a fascinating aspect of collecting by itself. Zippo lighter collectors know ALL about this! 👍😊👍
The front swivel is for piling arms in a tripod arrangement...doesn't make it any better because who would pile a self loader unless it's some reserve unit?...non front line..
Wood guards on a barrel will keep you from getting burned.............as well as not freezing the metal to your hand in cold. Works both ways.
And here I thought my idea to add a full length handguard on a Johnson was novel. Mr. Johnson himself beat me to it.
was this the same Taft-Peirce company that made precision tools like sine plates and surface grinders?
We are all here to watch Ian talk about a Johnson.
I'd love to have a Johnson rifle. That would be awesome.
I don't get the stock and pseudo grip on this and Garand. This is happening AFTER all the attempt and failures on duality(LMG vs Automatic Rifle) of BAR. Wouldn't people adopt grip and stock reminiscent of that arrangement as we can see on something like Monitor?
The front swivel seems to be for stacking, not sling.
"Most of you clicked this video to see this funky hand guard."
.....how did he know....
I just used this for the first time in battlefield 5 today and then I see this video. What are the odds?
I found one of these in a gun store, at the time was worth 12,000 I believe
If you need to handguard to operate your Johnson that's some serious kit bud.
Saw one at the gun show today
So what happens when you, without thinking in the moment, have your hand gripping the barrel-mounted handguard, and fire the rifle?
It would probably feel a lot like hitting a metal pole with a hammer.
Great video
I was just playing battlefield 5 this afternoon, and I said to myself I wonder if Ian has a video on the Johnson.
The front "sling swivel" is a stacking swivel, no?
Wonder what could have been then if he had chambered it in .303. The rotary magazine seems like it would be more easily adaptable to a rimmed cartridge than at least a double stack box
It's interesting that they did not consider an attached bayonet, to keep the weight of the barrel the same.