Why there might NEVER be a 7th generation fighter
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- There's been a great deal of discussion about the forthcoming 6th generation of fighters, believed to be led by the U.S. Air Force's ongoing Next Generation Air Dominance Program... But do these generational designations still make sense?
Let's talk about why we may see this sort of fighter classification die out in the coming years, and why that might just be okay.
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Not vegan, it aims to BBQ chinese ribs
sounds kind of like how Windows 10 was going to be the last windows we'd ever need as it would continue to be upgradable.
Until Windows 11 came about.
And then everyone who is paying attention saw how terrible win 11 is and decided never to use it. My next build will be on Linux.
@@Jeff55369the only thing preventing me from getting Linux on my next computer is that Linux has fewer games compatible with the software sadly
😂im old enough to remember they said something similar about windows 95, win 2000, nt, xp, 8.1, etc etc. Needs and desires of customers increase and change over time. Idk, creators keep limiting their imaginations by saying "aaaand...done." because an upgradable frame is, in time, an old, upgradable frame that isnt fit for the present and will need reimagining.
Trying to predict the future is incredibly hard. We often don't have the words, or even a concept of what will come.
Making absolute statements about what will or won't be around, is extremely ignorant, borderline arrogant even.
I'll make my own ignorant claim, and say that this video will age like milk 😁
Funny but misses the point.
The article relates to the demise of the 'X Generation' nomenclature, not the future aircraft they relate to.
Very diplomatic saying the SU-57 has the radar cross section of a “4th generation fighter” and not “the radar cross section of a doublewide” 😂
I think he actually said larger signature than many 4th generation.
Giggle smirk
He said that SU-57 cross-section is comparable to some 4th generation fighters.
@@boxcutter0 and @FreedomIsNotFree2023 I should have rewound twice, I knew I mixed something up!
@@FreedomIsNotFree2023 Edited!
Lockheed tic tac...15th generation
TR3B 20th gen
The only way to win is not to play...
@@DefiantSix Basically spread your cheeks and let the enemy in?
Hahahaha lol ya it darn sure isn't Boeings tic tac 😂😆
@zmblion nope....parts be flying off if it was.
7th gen could be a space based fighter. I just think we should build the Galactica, Vipers, and a Raptor. Even without FTL, they'd be bad ass.
So 8th gen has warp cores?😊
Probably can, Air Force has a Space plane it’s a drone
@@poowg2657 wormhole jumpers
Just upgrade the B-52
So say we all!
According to my sources, the SU-57 doesn’t have a radar cross section, it has a zip code…
F-117 Nighthawk: am I a joke?
Not a fighter
@@blurglide The Nighthawk as no guns, no missiles, it's a bomber.
@@bertg.6056 i think not even radar
@@blurglide Neither is the B-21, but that's being called 'sixth generation'.
It's more of a 'general warplane' distinction thing.
@@Xenomorphinea 6th gen bomber
Imagine a future conflict where a patrolling flight of aircraft detect an inbound threat, analyze it, download the info to a network that then uploads an upgrade to the aircraft...all in the same encounter. Crazy!!!
Yes agreed - crazy!
How about as you approach an encounter with a known and analysed group of enemy combatants/devices, Big Military Brain AI at base has already simmed the battle thousands of times in the last 10 minutes of closure before uploading best vectors/courses of action including any needed upgrades to you and your cohort.
Or does your onboard AI have the chops to do this sort of thing?
@@WillArtie Digging the concept of the "Big Military Brain AI" doing the "Game Theory calculations" 1000 times in a second, does a literal "shits its pants" moment and flashes a "Abandon All Stations" mere nano-seconds before a "total asset wipe-out" makes for a great Sci-Fi movie scene or action-packed written paragraph! Or a flipping IRL disaster because we placed too much reliance on automated systems! Sometimes, the very dangerous work of "forward deployments" pays big dividends in preventing unforeseen dangers!
@ottovonnekpunch1268 yes I like it! Win probability stayed under 30% over 120,000 game iterations so run-away was the best option lol. And of course the opposition is desperately gaming the encounter as well.
I guess if you could broadcast believeable signatures for "ghost" units you could fool the opposition into thinking your force was larger or more capable? Def sci-fi material this kind of thing for film or writing. Thanks Otto!
Su-57 has the same RCS as F-18.
From the front yes, production models from other angles do have a better RCS
@@kinggooseman5373From the rear though they have a huge radar and IR signature
@@jamesgardner4126 every aircraft from the rear has a huge IR and radar signature. That’s also a completely null point anyway, if the enemy is already behind you you’ve already lost and stealth is more than likely not providing any advantage anymore
I mean have you seen F18's? It's simply impossible to be less stealthy with a full internal munition storage compare to F18 wing mounted missiles. Come on.
@@korana6308 Its referring to a clean F-18 oh wise one
I like that you made it very clear that the take away from this video is that the new tech will never be in generational fighter jet evolution, but will be in tech that consists of drones that swarm the area and can adapt and assist, and help as needed on the battlefield.
Great job providing understanding and clarity to this topic. Your work is all substance with no fluff.
Kickass episode, Alex. Thanks brother.
Thanks, Great video as always... 👍👍
we'll likely never see a 7th gen fighter because after sixth gen fully autonomous drones take over from manned aircraft designs
It won't replace manned
It will replace it in some roles but will we be completely be done with manned? No
@@andrewreynolds912 it's already happening. B-21 Raider is "optionally manned" by design.
@user-kl3lg7tf3n-anx1ous it's not gonna replace it completely their are still advantages with manned aircraft that cannot be replicated with unmanned
Come on man....haven't you seen Star Wars....X-Wing fighters are going to be the next 7th gen.
Before there was a concept of fighters by generation, there was the Century "Series". These aircraft were the stuff of the Air Force-led transition from piston to turbojet power. It was an odd assortment including three interceptors, two multi-role fighters, one legendarily tough ground attack bird and a very pretty mockup that may have flown in a wind tunnel.
USAF had to spec a few large personnel transports before they could throw in a kitchen sink.
Thank you for another informative video. The modular design concept with core elements is the may forward, using automated assembly and new 3-d additive manufacturing. The airframes will be cheaper to produce and maintain, and with open architecture software easier to upgrade than the F-22, and F-35.
A video about the X65 and active flow control would be cool.
The US Army just chose General Dynamics and Rheinmetall as finalists for the 4000 Bradley replacement IFVs.
Could you do a Firepower series video about this program, the two finalists and the other three that dropped out. Or more generally the current state of IFVs (Bradley, CV90, Puma, Lynx) and their most likely future. Maybe even including anti air IFVs like some CV90 variants and SkyRanger.
I have three ideas as to why we wouldn’t have 7th generation fighter jets.
1. They will be replaced by a better propulsion system similar to the jump from propeller aircraft to jet engine aircraft.
2. They will no longer be needed because by the time they would come out, space warfare would be a possibility and spacecraft may be more important than a new fighter jet.
3. The world superpowers building these jets will start a war which will change so much about the world that the next generation will never get a chance to come.
(These are all my personal ideas and I am aware there are many flaws with all of them. I just thought it would be interesting to think about it in other ways.)
Yes I agree that the only two things that could really put these fighters into a new generation would be either an entirely new revolutionary propulsion system, and space capability.
Otherwise it feels like we are reaching the pinnacle of what improving aerodynamics and “stealth” can do.
Those would still be a future generational shift, unless you're strictly going by a 'jet fighter' category.
Yes current trends show that ww3 will be majorly in space , the next war after will be 100% in space
And there will be manned " fighters" in space because war is too unpredictable for machines
I just had a fun idea of a cool fun video I’d definitely watch if you made Alex. Going through futuristic SYFY movie or shows like Stargate SG-1’s space plane the F-302 Battlestar Galacticas Viper MRK1-7 or even the awesome X-Wing from Star Wars. Of these 3 planes that can operate in both vacuum and atmospheric flight. How close in technology do you think we are from making our first space fighter planes like these amazing ships. Personally I think the F-302 is the one we’re close enough to build to fly in atmosphere but in regards to space flight there’s still 1 major hurdle we haven’t got to yet that I know of. That’s both a pair of engines that can fly both atmosphere and vacuum as well as a powerful enough fuel to make the plane fly!!!
Wow! This is so cool! Not only will this be a better process for military jet evolution, but it will also be more difficult for the enemy to know "what" its opponents capabilities are? In other words, the enemy won't know what version of a fighter jet they are up against and that will make the choice to engage or not engage far more difficult. For example, one version of a form factor might have a laser cannon, while another has radar jamming instead of a laser cannon. This would also make it far cheaper to deploy more purpose built "plane body form factors" that are specialized for niche missions. Thus, the "main frame engine module" becomes the do it all component, while the body design can be cheaply swapped out to optimize mission capabilities. Perhaps with 3D printers or new tech for creating plane body form factors, they could make it cheap to create multiple mission specific "skins" that can travel with the plane and be swapped out on the battle field in real time as the situation evolves. The same concept could be used for the wing man drones which themselves, could fly with different "skins" to optimize them better for accomplishing specific tasks on the mission to assist the "primary" to accomplish his mission. This is such a cool idea, you actually have to make up words and phrases to try to better describe your thoughts about it! This really moves plane hardware design evolution processes closer to the constant stream of "updates" used to advance software design. I love it!
God I hope this trickles down into general aviation, how cool would it be to switch from to switch from to switch from a fast comfortable cruiser into a rugged backcountry plane and so on
Now where have we heard “cheaper” before?
The wish list for 6th gen is so comprehensive that anything above that would probably just be an upgrade to a 6th gen fighter.
Perhaps, 7th gen fighters will be able to sortie into space and back
then it will be dogshit in a thing atmosphere. it is a totally different enviroment. past the Karman line aerodynamic surface alteration wont work, you need to use thrust, above the line then the aerdynamic surfaces wont work. And please dont be so stupid to say include both. as having both comes with a weight penalty that would reduce the performance in both enviroments
@@jukeseyable still this is how it would be with 7th gen that go space too.
splashed by A-A rocket over a distance of 3000 to 8000 to 12000 km, from 350 km high and mach 10+ (~3,5 km per second) impact.
for info, you need mach 24+ (7,8 km/s) to be fast enogth to reach an loworbit without fallin down.
a fight with lasers, will become dogfight.
starship included
@@jaja90817th gen fighters won’t go to space. You also won’t be dogfighting in space with lasers.
@@danjames-ud7nr i said: fights with laserguns will become dogfights that with little 🧠 also be total diffrend to today hobs and guns (dogfight).
but if you say so... it will probably be the 6th gen and 7th/8th interplanetar like starship just in small and dirty
Alex is our goto guy.
I replied in a comment on the previous video about the USAF not making a decision on NGAD yet that what the NGAD may really be is an "F-35D".
can you plz do a video on the NGAA catalina
That’s an interesting paint scheme on the f35, is the white radar absorbent? It’s nice to see the Lightning I, there’s a lot of good air show camera footage in this upload. It’s amazing to see how fast jets evolved between the Korean and Vietnam wars. Now with jets like the F35, are we near the peak of jet aircraft technology?
Yeah well I’m starting my own work on my own personal 7th gen!
Could you do a video about the future of Shorad?
Will short range air defense provided by the laser stryker? Will the Bradley replacement IFV XM30 function as an anti air cannon? Should the US look at the SkyRanger / Skynex / millenium gun system? And will there be a Stinger replacement with a better battery, targeting, and most importantly more affordable? Or is this affordable future the APKWS guidance upgrade for the cheap and plentiful Hydra 70mm rocket? Should we slap that on Avenger Hummvees? Or IRIS-T? And how are M-shorad Strykers doing?
It would be more fair to point out there's a difference in generational designation, depending on whether someone's referring strictly to jet fighters or all fighters in general (my personal preference for a proper historical overview and to take account of inevitable future non-jet propulsion systems).
The latter would be...
1: Biplanes and triplanes of WW1.
2: Monoplanes.
3: Jets.
4: Jets with guided air-to-air missiles and beyond.
5: Stealth with supercruise.
7th gen = x wing
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Or the delta flyer
more the 18th gen
@gwarne2304 it's gotta have a warp drive to be 7th gen 🤪
@@jaja9081 by 18th gen it's gonna be a flying saucer.
So, I don't know how I feel about open source code and I hope it means something totally different to the Air Force than how most people see it.
They should have a test set of code, where a developer of hardware/software can test what they're doing in a platform, and maybe that platform even includes aircraft, but THEN I think the Air Force should have proprietary code where basically they replace the part of the code they provided for the developer to make a working system.
Consider a command to shoot a missile. It has code to accomplish this where it takes all the inputs and makes a solution, and then fires when the operator tells the system to based on conditions being met for a firing solution. There's a lot of functionality there that a company doesn't have to worry about if the Air Force provides open source code for different functions, especially dealing with getting data from different sensors. But that doesn't have to be the code used in an operational fighter because it could be swapped out with secure code that very few people work with, NEVER to be able to access via the internet. So because a system dev didn't have to write code for different functionality since the Air Force provided it, it's easy for the Air Force to replace their open source functions with proprietary functions.
THAT is how I HOPE the Air Force means open source. It's open source when being developed, but later turned into proprietary code.
It's not the plane, it's the pilot.
You briefly mentioned how the upgrades will happen while the pilot is asleep. Actually, the upgrade can happen while the pilot is flying. The technology they are using is Kubernetes in a Rancher package.
The only aircraft generation we need is the one that makes our adversaries always guessing what hit 'em.
more state investments.unmanned still makes sense hypersonic stealth now 7th maybe optically stealth aswell?
6:36 what are the paint jobs on these F-35’s? It looks pretty cool, but I’m wondering if there are other reasons for it (camouflage etc).
It’s an aggressor paint job, the f-35’s are simulating enemy aircraft
I thought the fundamental problem with NGAD is that if you can do some of the missions with the F-35 and wingmen and some with B-21 and wingmen, then what is the mission set that requires an NGAD?
It's meant to be an air superiority fighter. A true 'fighter' aircraft to threaten and conduct air to air combat or air interdiction missions. The F35 is a multi role fighter and air based combat multiplier. I still wouldn't take it over an F22 in a dog fight though. NGAD is meant to deter the enemy from putting any of their own aircraft in the sky and maintain your air superiority or, preferably, air supremacy.
Looking cool
@@heathwilliams9754 Except dog fighting is dead right? Especially with a multi-seat drone controller like the NGAD. It is much bigger than an F-22 or F-35 from what we have seen so far. That means it will not be dog fighting but using missiles (probably Beyond Visible Range) to do its work in conjunction with its drone wingmen. At that point, I can see ISR missions and strike missions being B-21 controlled. Air Superiority missions being F-35 controlled. We already have a limited number of F-22s because the pure Air Superiority mission is just not that broad. Which leads to, why make this when the vast bulk of missions can be covered by F-35 and B-21. So, the question to me is why make a pure Air Superiority fighter when we would more likely need an F-35 replacement instead of an F-22 replacement.
@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344 I think a big reason is the need for something with more range for a possible conflict in the Pacific. Also, advancements in stealth design and coatings would make the NGAD significantly more stealthy and robust than what we have now, and would be a big plus in dealing with China's anti-access area-denial tactic. A tailless design with ceramic based RAM that is tough, low-maintenance, and able to withstand higher temps alone would be a big advantage over the f35 and f22, not to mention all the other high-tech goodies that have been floated like adaptive cycle engines.
@heathwilliams9754 no one said dogfighting. You are confusing all air-to-air combat with "dogfighting." There's more to A2A than just that, and yes, a plane can still specialize in those other areas.
A drone tanker (which I bet exists) would mean a forever swarm up there
using some movie logic and the 90s model for generations, i could possibly see 7th generation aircraft being when aircraft are able to couple together into a larger and and more powerful craft. that could possibly lead to 8th generation that would be able to go into low orbit, attaching additional drones as boosters for fuel.
In the 1970s and 80s, when America still had a substantial manufacturing base, it took a really long time to build an F-15. At some point losses aren't really sustainable.
Anytime a metric is developed to try to get a handle on something abstract, the post-hoc metric starts to become the intended goal.
A great example not in aerospace, but economics is GDP. it used to be a metric for hitrocial economic performance, but then governments started manipulating their numbers to achieve better GDP for marketing terms.
I'd think that changing the fighter powerplant design from a tube or two blowing hot gas to a neutron twirling thing of some sort would constitute new. That may take a while though. But stealth is just that now, sometimes. Invisible though......
7:11 Doggone right, Devil Dog...lol
My 8th gen P-51 goes nyoom.😂😂😂
0:25 ... Re: no universally accepted criteria ... perhaps not. But it would seem that one major technology enabler or another serves as points of inflection in determining what generation a fighter belongs to. The one thing that seems to sort of complicate this is that as fighters continue to evolve, they take on some of the newer technologies and that's how the lines between fighter generations get blurred. We've seen this with the F-20, F-16, F-15 and F-18 as the years go by, as well as the Su-27 and MiG-29 lines.
Well done. I admire your work. If the past is any indication, the technology will advance such that the need for a common core capability will disappear before it is ever utilized.
The or the development of the other capabilities would just be stuck in limbo for the duration of the program. LCS comes to mind
Generation designation were made to roughly to represent certain characteristics that the Aircraft had to achieve which were not (or difficultly) achievable by the previous generation.
The goal of these designations were to indicate the aforementioned aircraft was designed at the start with that "new" capability in mind.
Now, it does not mean that certain of these capabilities were not retro-actively installed within the rest of the fleet.
But it had to be part of a special retrofit program to "up-grade" them to the "standard" of that new Generation.
Hence, the F-35 IS a 5th Gen aircraft as Stealth was the dominant feature of it's design with the idea of multi-roles capabilities in mind.
And in order to support that "multi-role" capability, it stepped into some of the features required for what would now be considered 6th Gen Aircraft (i.e: Sensor fusion, networking & open architecture)
However, the F-35 was NOT design in the get-go with 6th Gen capabilities in mind as those were not "defined" yet.
My guess is the next 2 aircraft Generations will be more "conceptually" defined than "Physically" defined (i.e: Compute capacity, SW integration, Networking, Drone)
The goal will probably be more about making dangerous, modular drones than human rated aircrafts considering the "Distributed Lethality" Doctrine now employed.
However, I see a place for the 7th Gen to touch the realm of Hypersonic with complete drone integration in the SW architecture. (that would not be a 6th Gen characteristic)
By that time, if SpaceX succeed with Starship and a robust LOE economy gets going, the Space Force and their space systems will become more "dominant" in the discussions.
I think its important to remain open the the concept that new technology will arise;
it always seems like the most advanced technology could be the limit, but im sure in 50 years it will be clear that an entire upgrade is necessary.
upgrading old technology will be cheaper and more common, but entirely new technologies will be applied to war and the sword will once again shatter the shield prompting a new shield to be designed.
Absolutely correct. This type of categorization should be left to historians. If we are really going to classify fighters it should be on some type of tier system based on craft currently in service. Such that an A tier fighter can dominate any lower tier and so on. The lower the tier, the greater the domination.
What generation plane did the Red Baron fly?
I like to think of it like this. Pc vs Mac. If you have a Mac you have to go to apple for upgrades. If you have a PC, you can go to numerous companies that make components and you pick the one you want.
Looking across Services, the Navy for years has asked Congress for Frigate Money to start any new research and development, and then spent Destroyer Money on the final product. And different Navies have different definitions on what is a Frigate or Destroyer in the first place anyway.
2:39 can someone please let me know what city are those planes flying over at 2:39?! I want to say Dubai?
I more fully support updating older planes too. I am a BIG fan of the F-15EX and would love to see it done to the F-16 and F/A-18E/F as well. The F-35 can cover the stealth angle,if needed and if they decide to update the F-22,all the better although I think the F-15EX is more than enough to cover the air superiority angle.
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Can we all please just stop calling it an F/A18, it's so inconvenient just call it an F18.
I do agree though with upgrading older planes... and at this point I don't really see the alternative... By the time NGAD releases it would cost 400 - 500 per mil. per plane... so I would much rather upgrade like 10 F15's with that money...
All the older planes that you mentioned are pretty much useless.The Rafale or an upgraded SU-35 are better then what an upgraded F-18 can ever do.
@@galvinstanley3235 hence why they need an overhaul. The EX is not old,its based on the F-15SA and would be very modern. I am just saying do the same thing to the others,although I can understand why it might not even be feasible.
@@korana6308 I very nearly did just say "F-18" but my OCD got in the way lol
That is a great concept. Although iu do worry that the 6th. Get. and beyond is more susiciptle to hacking by countries who specialize in that activity!
We will have direct fission fragment propelled drives by then and that will make them space capable, might as well call them "spaceships", I guess that's what will happen at the 7th~8th generation.
I think this video was already made with a few changes out there just like the interchangeables planes.
I see a lot of comments here about 7th gen fighters possibly having EXO atmospheric capabilities but I don't quite think we're going to do that with 7th gen.
I think if we get a 7th gen they are going to be the kind of revolutionary change we saw between the transition from piston-powered aircraft to jet power. Currently in early stages of theory and prototyping are technologies that could enable a radical change in the deployment of aircraft.
I'm specifically talking about power beaming and other forms of remote power delivery. It is physically possible to build a scramjet or even ramjet type engine that instead of using ignited kerosene to heat the air and provide thrust, it uses electrical energy to heat the air and provide thrust. I would honestly expect to see, maybe in the next 30 years, an aircraft that carries minimal fuel, but with the assistance of either a ground-based station or satellites and maybe both can fly non-stop from London to Shanghai the long way without aerial refueling. And I honestly think that will be available before an EXO atmospheric fighter craft. It will probably be first implemented in larger aircraft like cargo or bombers, but I don't see why it couldn't be done in a fighter sized package.
I dont actually consider beamed power to be that big of a difference as to reset the generation count like we did between piston and jets. Beamed power engines work pretty simularly to fuel burning engines, its just the method of heating the air that changes. Airflow is still simular, thrust is still created by throwing the expanded and heated air out the back of a nozel.
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Alex, I was going to say that there will be no Gen 7 fighter because I believe that the NGAD will be the last manned fighter; I think that all fighters after that will be unmanned, AI platforms. Even now, the USAF is testing AI in an F-16, and that AI equipped F-16 is wiping the floor with manned fighters in exercises. Because AI doesn't have the same physical limitations of a human pilot, e.g. blacking out at 9 Gs, an AI controlled fighter can perform maneuvers that a human controlled fighter cannot. Also, with an unmanned fighter, there isn't the same infrastructure required for a human pilot; there's no seat, life support, or other systems adding weight to the aircraft.
Well something is beating the best out there at the moment.
Go fast, gimbal and Nimitz.
Yep, and those things may be more or less sly "promotional" videos basically saying "look what we got", to other countries. Never know ;)
To be honest with you. The B21 checks most of the boxes outlined in your video, speculating on what capabilities the NGAD fighter would need for the Pacific theater. It's the first plane that came to mind when you reported the airforce may not pursue a next generation fighter. Imagine a highly stealthy fight with long legs that could carry a number of wingmen drones internally. Launch those drones when close to the battle space. Then, hang back while commanding those drones during the fight.
Manned fighters are nearly dead. The closest we might see is an airborne drone control aircraft where operators can have line of sight communication to their drones to retask and give kill approval.
Until AI powered fighters become mainstream manned fighters are here to stay.
@@thekraken1173 You don't think that'll happen in the 15-20 years between 6th and 7th generation fighters? I think it'll happen in the next few years.
Wouldn’t the F117 be considered the first 5th gen aircraft?
Nutrition coach here: organic is the same thing as the generation concept. You almost made me choke on my dinner 😂
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I have state of the art 9th generation socks.
The way the NGAD program is going, there will never be a 6th gen fighter.
Lockeed/Boeing in 2041, “F122 fighter block 37 shares no parts with the original F122 automatically making it a 7 gen fighter…duh”
I think the difference between a hypothetical 6th and 7th generation of fighter could revolve around the different domains of warfare.
As space becomes more contested, a 7th gen system might be able to fly high and fast, giving smaller, lighter ASAT weapons a needed boost or reducing the atmosphere a DEW needs to shoot through.
Maybe we should designate an aircraft by the generation it was developed and went into service. In that respect, the F-22 and F-35 are "millenials", and their successors might be "Gen-Z". The F-16 and F-15 are Gen X. The F-4 Phantom is a Boomer, and the F-105 is in the Silent Generation, and the P-51 is in the Greatest Generation. ;)
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F35 is definetly Gen Z
It does not matter what generation you call an aircraft. What matters is that it works and on that, I'll call it anyway
It's that time again...🙋🏻
There are still going to be incremental generations of fighters/bombers beyond the 6th gen. What’s going to change is the frequency in which we make that next step for all the reasons discussed here
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Imagine a B-52 loaded with CCAs on a rotary launcher, orbiting the battle space, awaiting the F-35 to call in for a strike mission. B-21 Raiders are lurking nearby, in multiple payload configurations, perhaps armed with AIM-260s, while another Raider squadron performs a more traditional ground attack role. The F-35 could quarterback an entire mission without sacrificing stealth or payload. Add in the [likely] new stealth drop tanks and the adversary is in for a bad day. The Raider IMHO has the potential destroy the traditional aircraft designations such as "fighter" or "bomber". Rather, the B-21 and F-35 are essentially flying supercomputers.
This has applied to CPUs for years now. Those numbers like 7 nanometer and 5 nanometer are just marketing today, they don't technically mean anything specific, and haven't for years now. It just means the lower number is more advanced, more transistors and higher performance. Nothing really more specific than that.
7th gen fighters can be like the ones in independence 2 movie where the jets can travel to space or lets say luna then return back to earth, for earth only fighters i can say 6th gen will be the last generation of fighters
There has to be something to defeat 6th gen so there will be 7th gen fighter jet but most probably all AI-UCAVs, high altitude, high supersonic Mach-3 to 5 capable, launching AI-missiles with almost 100% Pk, may use long range DEW also. No need to remote fly them. They will fly & fight themselves, will be commanded from anywhere via satellite, AWACS, C4I, underground bunker, etc. It will be like playing chess, the pawns will be the UCAVs. Because of such high capability they won't be required in high numbers. But that's it. 7th gen could be the last, beyond that it would be all powerful DEWs, ground based mostly.
7th Gen definitely will be Just a spaceship
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Am i missing something, he said 5 5th generation fighters in service but only 4 come to mind, f22,f35,su57,and j20
We shall call it generation Lego ++
The next generation of fighters might be craft capable of going directly to suborbital, or orbital height.
I would hope by 2088 we would have civilian craft capable of single-stage-to-orbit flight. Logically the military, if it doesn't lead this, will follow suit.
I would think that a 'fighter craft' (can't call it an aircraft anymore) would need new design and tactics for that sort of operation.
Organic, at least in the US, has a USDA vetting process to earn the label. All Natural may be a better comparison
No Me 262, He 162 or He 280 in your graphic for 1st gen fighters?
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I'm comfortable assigning generation labels to functionality rather than to aircraft si you could have fifth, sith and seventh generation F-35
Here I was thinking 'Modular' was just a buzzword that was required for any Defence Contractor to win any funding, and here Alex is explaining it actually means something for an F-35. Next thing you know is 'Disruptive' technology will actually mean something other than a way to avoid Taxes and Regulations...
based on combat capability, 6th gen fighters with their air teaming with drones would be equivalent to individual air squadrons in terms of strike capability, a 7th gen might be equivalent to a group
It sounds to me like what you are saying is that they don't need the NGAD because they are upgrading the F-35 to make it close enough.
I’d argue 4th gen starts closer to around the F4 phantom than the F14.
There are technologies that will push more advanced generations out. Even something simple as a different type of propulsion would completely change the fighter profile. Many other capabilities I won't go into here. Agree with another posters comment about space based...but can transition between space and atmosphere.
The biggest problem with these 5th Gen fighter jets is cyber warfare.Sure its not like hacking a personal CP with Windows or Apple OS but anything that can be updated OTA and has a wireless internet connection could be vulnerable to a foreign military with a high tech cyber-warefare division with thousands of hackers and a massive budget. ( i would of thought updates would be done with special military hardware connections via hardware that doesn't have WIFI or Bluetooth etc )
What happened the us military not going with the 6 gen it's only been a week since the last episode what's up with that?
don't bring a knife to a gun fight
All organic means is that you are going to pay a heck of lot more for the same product
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