LOGICAL PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS - Thomas Aquinas Philosophy
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- We live in times where the existence of a God is often doubted and dismissed but it wasn't always like that. Almost all groups of people through history had some sort of religious beliefs. Therefore the question arises... why?? Thomas Aquinas has 5 logical arguments as to why it's likely that some sort of God exists and I try my best to summarize them. Hope you enjoy!
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"Thomas Aquinas has 5 logical arguments as to why it's likely that some sort of God exists "
There is a reason those are called arguments for a god rather than evidence for a god. Also none of the arguments gets you to "and this god is the god of the Bible & Jesus died for our sins".
THERE ARE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 suns just like ours. Even if a superbeing existed, no way could he create that immense universe (impossible). And there’s no reason he would care about our sun more than all the others. We are just a speck of dust in the grand scale of the cosmos
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@electrictroy2010 i like you have exactly the same view & argument but there could also be an argument that our planet a speck of insignificance against the magnitude of the universe although way beyond our meager understanding, what purpose does it serve. Where did the universe begin & when & why. If time is eternal, then there was no beginning to time? If our existence serves no purpose then what purpose does the universe serve & if our argument is that to exist does not need a purpose, then within our very limited ability to understand when, where why did it all begin? None of us can answer that, not even science. Science can speculate the big bang theory, but it can not answer the question as to what was there before the Big Bang to enable the big bang & why the Big Bang came into being & for what purpose. Science can be as creative & speculative as religion.
@@electrictroy2010God is some much clever that not even humans Can understand How Big and clever he is, so you Think you Can 😂😂😂🤦♂️😂😂😂
even though I'm an atheist I really like and appreciate your handling of the topic and what you said at the start
I’ve seen some Christians get mad at me for not believing in a god, I’ve gotten accused of insulting every single religion. Atleast nobody on this video, unless..
Save me? The dude cursed me out and called me a dumbass.
The guy was racist. I don’t think he was too worried about ending up in hell if you’re picking up what I’m putting down.
In Revelation God throws the
atheists agnostics into Hell to burn forever.
And the Huge Demons Torture the
atheists agnostics in Hell forever
@@godchristmadethebigbangand4721 Nice scare tactics, just one problem. That’s not really going to work. It scares me from Christianity more.
im having a panic because i don't know if god exists or not, if its a void that we see im gonna panic until the day i die, i realy need proof that god exist so i can accually live in peace.
THERE ARE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 suns just like ours. Even if a superbeing existed, no way could he create that immense universe (impossible). And there’s no reason he would care about our sun more than all the others. We are just a speck of dust in the grand scale of the cosmos
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If you are interested I could help explain Aquina’s first way if you would like which gives good reason to believe in God
Addressing the five “proofs” of god, I must mention that the first four are all just different logical paths to the same point that is, “stuff exists, it had to be created because it can’t exist on its own.” This logic is paradoxical. If his logic that all things require a creator is true, then his statement that, “there must be something out there that exists based on pure necessity and isn’t a creation of another being” contradicts that logic and must be false. Mathematically speaking, it makes more sense to have an infinite chain of creators than one from nothing that creates one more. The last point is outdated philosophy. I know that philosophy can’t necessarily be outdated, but you can say the purpose of all human existence is to serve the French crown and call it philosophy, people will consider it outdated because the French crown no longer exists. His philosophy is outdated because science has uncovered evolution, which perfectly explains the, “all things have a purpose” observation with facts and data that can’t be disputed. It may appear that predators serve a purpose, they keep herbivorous species from overpopulating, which lets native flora continue to flourish. The wolf is not concerned about the plants, it is concerned about eating food to survive. The plants flourish as an indirect result of the wolves need to hunt deer which would otherwise eat the plants. Species have gone extinct, ecosystems have been destroyed and reconstructed. Ecosystems are not conscious, they are the unintended result of multiple species adapting to their environment along side each other creating a balance of power. An analogous way of looking at it is European history. Europe has spent almost its entire history maintaining a balance of power between nations, not letting one overpower the other. Europe as a continent is not conscious, it was the ecosystem. And just like how nazi Germany permanently broke the balance of power in Europe, humans broke the balance of power in their local ecosystems and now dominate the world. No higher power designed the humans to be overpowered, just like no higher power made Germany overpowered. Humans used their resources to the best of their ability to overcome the obstacles they faced, that is how we became so smart and became the only creatures that could, “turn potentiality into actuality.” Thomas didn’t know about the Neanderthals and other hominid species that were just as and sometimes smarter than we were that eventually died out, not because humans killed them off, but because we happened to be better adapted to the new conditions we faced after the ice age ended than the other hominid species. If we were, “made in gods image” than what does that mean for the others? Neanderthals were superior in almost every way, they just couldn’t survive in the warm environment that took over their territory that we humans had been birthed from any better then we could’ve survived the cold environment they lived in. That is why his philosophy is outdated.
The church was anti-education. That’s why when Galileo said the earth is not the center…observation shows it is the sun… that the Pope locked him up. The pope also called Martin Luther a heretic for saying the bible should be printed in plain language ordinary people could read
Romans 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
One book down, several hundreds more to go.
In Revelation God throws the
atheists agnostics into Hell to burn forever.
And the Huge Demons Torture the
atheists agnostics in Hell forever
@@w.8424 Now out of all of those books which one has scientists confirmed to be what it claims? What other God explains how humans were created? Which of those books told us that the Earth is suspended in the air hanging on nothing? You be the judge.
@@godchristmadethebigbangand4721 stop this. Dude you're irritating people, which will make them hard to come to God. You have a way to preach the Gospel. Preach from your heart. Not copy paste. Just stop copy pasting it is Irritating
The God Christ Jesus always been around.
The God Christ Jesus made the bigbang. And God made evolution.
In Revelation God throws the
atheists agnostics sorcerers into Hell.
And the ugly immortal Demons Torture
atheists
agnostics sorcerers in Hell forever.
Because the atheists agnostics
sorcerers Rejected and did not accept God.
And the mormons into Hell for believing in many gods.
And hidus, buddhists into Hell for believing in many gods.
And the catholics into Hell for loving mary.
And the witnesses religion into Hell for believing in charles rusel.
And the muslims into Hell for loving the rapist muhhamud.
And the Huge immortal Demons Torture the atheists
agnostics sorcerers in Hell forever.
Matthew 23.7 Love the Lord your God with all your heart, body and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Matthew 22.8 That is the first and greatest commandment from the God Christ Jesus.
If y'all reject the God Christ Jesus.
Then the God Christ Jesus rejects you.
Matthew 25.41 Then God will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
The Bible says in Matthew.
That in Hell there will be wailing weeping and gnashing of the teeth.
Because Hell is so painful.
Revelation 14.11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night. They burn in Hell forever and ever.
And the bible haters burn in Hell forever.
And then the Huge immortal Demons Torture the atheists
agnostics sorcerers in Hell forever.
I'm agnostic because I don't care either way
I live my life as a good person
Don't need the fear of god to be a good person
Hey Raul, saw your comment and thought I should say something back.
First off, almost every religion is about being a good person to earn your way to heaven. Except for Christianity, the Bible teaches that there is no such thing as a good person. So I just wanted to throw that out there. If you have never considered Christianity I believe that alone is a good reason to at least study the Bible to see what it’s about.
But the reason I wanted to comment is because I wanted to know what you consider a good person to be? You say that you’re a good person, but what’s your standard?
@@SuperUbaskillz dont do to others what u dont wish done on to you
Being a so called good person doesn't grant you eternal life I'm afraid. Only trusting in The lord Jesus Christ can.
THERE ARE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 suns just like ours. Even if a superbeing existed, no way could he create that immense universe (impossible). And there’s no reason he would care about our sun more than all the others. We are just a speck of dust in the grand scale of the cosmos
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I wish when atheists just stop calling believers as losers or 'unscientific' just bcz there is no empirical evidence it doesn't mean God doesn't exist. I don't see any difference between atheists forcing people to denounce God and radicals wanting others to convert. People should just mind their own business and let people believe or disbelieve whatever they want.
I think it’s because of the harm religion causes
@@hellothere6728 Yess it’s killed millions of people and caused many wars.
@Hello Hmm.... I suppose the Mongols who wiped out 10% of then world population or the Japanese who butchered people in occupied lands during ww2 had belief in God too?
@@hellothere6728 oh so you bullied someone over the internet who said "God" because it harmed you? Get a life.
@@lostmusic99 yep just like the nazis the crusaders al qaeda and the Spanish Inquisition
This was good WOW
I'm a practitioner of vodoun; but I'm a henotheist; that means i only worship Baron Samedi. My religion and belief, in general is pretty 'A-moral' so i counter this by living by Stoicism and Bushido. Stoicism has made me "emotionally indifferent" and Bushido has made me a perfect gentleman, Blessed Be.
Good arguments, one of them was taken from a muslim kalams argument. It rang a bell
Fact:
You're a muslim
@Zorrunoth have i said something to uhh?
@Zorrunoth I was saying to Isaac Foster
@Zorrunoth he was talking to isaac foster
@@amritjohal6654 u have a problem with that? We both are believers of god?
I know my statement I’m about to say has barely anything to do with the video, but
If you do nice things just to go to heaven. You’re not kind because you’re not doing it cause you want to.
You’re doing it for self, for benefit.
The Natural Law,
Do good and avoid evil
Yeah but you’ll end up doing good things either way, so if you wanted to kill someone and instead you smiled to them and leave you’ll be better than someone who committed a murder
Skullbone 2017 That is why we need Jesus-Christ. We can’t be good.
Habib C we cant be good ?
That’s strange because
Jesus said to be perfect.
I wonder who is right
You or Jesus ?
Was
St Josephine Bakhita good ?
Was
Blessed Miguel Pro good ?
Was
St John Fisher good ?
Him Bike We can only be good if we are in Christ. We can’t be good by our flesh.
What is the logical proof of god's existence
Where is the logical proof of god's existence.
With our human logic,we're taught at a very young age,to believe,in an entity,of whom,we cannot see,or actively engage with
Essentially with our human logic,we're programmed to believe in things,we have yet to see,or prove.If there truly is a true god,he will undoubtedly possess the ability to convince us all.
well if you where a God and you had made people why would you show yourself
@@win_.401 that’s a lazy respond. Let me ask you the same then. If you were a god why would you show yourself?
God gives us all free will to chose to believe in him or not. And you don’t have to see to believe, let’s say your mom or dad left you when you were 1 month old. And here you are now, all grown up. Would it be logical to say that your parents don’t exist because you’ve never seen them? Another example, you can’t see your future lover, but you know that they are out there somewhere. You really don’t have to see to believe.
And logical proof would be, us, humans. Just look at yourself in the mirror. You see, life is so complex. With billions of cells working together to keep you alive, you have a code, we all have a code. That code is called DNA. Is it not logical that every code has a coder? There are tons of evidence out there, buddy. You just have to look for them.
@@alfrogiguess this is a common misconception however the response is that just because God has foreknowledge of our acts doesn’t mean he forces us to act in that way.
So there is no incoherency between omniscience and free will
A better point which I can’t understand is that why would God create someone he knows will reject him
This is a stronger argument against theism which I am yet to reconcile
The first and the fifth argument are kind of the same.
The Bible always says it as God not god when speaking of the one true God. This is very important.
My biggest question to atheist is what are you denying? Secondly who created words? Even when you think you think words.
How do you know which god is the right one though? How come we are almost always joining the religion that people around us join?
Are all the people of the other religion wrong? Hindus have thousands of gods, seems they are more likely to have the right one by sheer probability.
The fact that nobody has seen God and nobody ever will! We can assume there’s a god due to upbringing, traditions, society, indoctrination beliefs, etc etc Epicurus said if best- “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Without God there is no objective moral standard for judging something good or evil. It’s just any one person’s subjective opinion. We don’t know the mind of God. He uses evil for a greater purpose we can’t understand. That’s the point of the book of Job.
God allowed humans to be as good or as evil as they want to be so we can have free will. If there is no evil and only good, there would be no freedom in creation. Of there is no suffering, only happiness, the lack of contrast would nullify "happiness" into non existence. -got that answer from somewhere
@@christianatienza3527 Total bullshit! The excuse of free will, sin, etc is the number excuse radical religious use when their make-believe God continues to fail...Epicurus sums it up nicely~
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
@@Kalamity_Bane well evil and good are just perspective and opinion ' The man who wins the war writes the History books' But things that are generally accepted as bad like murder for instance and torture used to be more commenplace but we learnt that if we dont want it to happen to ourselves then it means its a bad thing and this is a good evelutionary trait as it means we wont find it as easy to completley wipe ourselves out and the geneva convention is a modern example
Because he gave you free will that’s why you should call him God
He loves you wants you to make right decisions if you don’t go through pain you dunno what pain is all about
If God exist than why do we question him?
Because people are agnorant.
Because he gives people free will. God wants people to choose to believe in him. He doesn’t want to force them to believe in him.
@@Ryan-my5lz not exactly free will when you add to it the consequence of eternal torment in hell, doesn't it? "hey little timmy, if you eat your veggies i'll be happy. if you dont, you'll be grounded for life. oh, but it's your free choice!" ..
REAL free choice (from a 'loving' god for that matter) is to offer two options and regardless of which is chosen, the deity still approves of the decision. what an ingenious thought.
@Noelkinz we question him because the ancient texts which the deities couldn't write themselves are too vague (thus multitudes of christian sects and internal disagreements) and the deity is playing the longest game of hide and seek, instead of just letting its 'beloved' creations be with him already.
It's true. You don't need to believe in God to be moral, but the question is where does morality come from? and why does it exist in the first place??
Well morality comes from other people, some people don’t have morals, like murders and other criminals that hurt people, you have to learn it, being mean to people and killing people won’t get you far right? That’s where morals come from, it is taught by you’re parents and other figures, that’s why abused kids are more likely to murder they didn’t learn morality they grew up with violence. That’s what I think at least.
The moral law doesn't depend on people being moral.
Romans 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
In Revelation God throws the
atheists agnostics into Hell to burn forever.
And the Huge Demons Torture the
atheists agnostics in Hell forever
In Revelation God throws the
atheists agnostics into Hell to burn forever.
And the Huge Demons Torture the
atheists agnostics in Hell forever
Interesting video. Question for anyone who wants to chime in.... suppose one had a way to prove God exists, or at least show a high probability. What would you do with it? How might you use that proof to reach the scientific community?
I know this is a year old but I like this question so hopefully you see my answer.
Nothing.
I would believe in showing this proof to as many people who believe in Christianity as possible, but throwing up proof for the sake of showing people the way of proving them wrong sparks nothing but conflict and suffering.
If God exists. He gave us free will, we must not squander it
In Revelation God throws the
atheists agnostics into Hell to burn forever.
And the Huge Demons Torture the
atheists agnostics in Hell forever
@@godchristmadethebigbangand4721 Ok, so let me ask you if that's right:
A serial killer who MURDERED more than 100 people, BUT, at the end of his life, regretted EVERYTHING he had done, goes to HEAVEN.
And
A person who spent her entire life being always honest, respectful and humble, BUT, that never really believed in the existence of God, although all the good that person had done to other people, this person goes to HELL?
This atheism and agnosticism
Has ZERO ZERO EVIDENCE.
And y'all believe it with
ZERO ZERO ZERO EVIDENCE.
The God Christ Jesus made the bigbang. And God made evolution.
I have one question how did human beings and animals come to life if it wasn't for GOD.
Evolution, adaptation and mutation
@@alexrees4635But there is more to it than just that
@@damikey18 is there?
@@alexrees4635There sure is🤔
@Rooster Sauce all wrong possibilities have happened which is firstly why we on earth are the only known planet to have life on it also we are not perfect our bodies only last about 90-110 years if all goes well which in a lot of cases is not the situation, e.g. cancers and a lot of diseases our bodies are defenceless against, and most people have something medically wrong with their bodies anyway like asthma or type 1 diabetes that they cannot control, also our cell structures are not more complex than a computer btw and if you look at natural selection you’ll see that all the “accidents” that haven’t happened did happen just the species or organism died out either causing a species to go extinct or the organism that died no longer had its faulty genes in the collective gene pool. If a planet is habitable and suited for life, it will grow and evolve there. Please do research into all of this I really think even if it didn’t change your mind it will give you an insight into the opposing viewpoint. (I was Christian for 14 years until I stopped following the religion and Christ, so I was taught the other viewpoint)
How can we speak what was before the universe? When we say that something started our universe, the notion and principle of causality no longer applies, since those didn't exist until after the "movement" of the universe began.
Great point! I believe according to Aquinas' philosophy, that's a reason to believe in God. He doesn't try to characterize God, he just believes in an all-powerful thing, force or being that exists outside of the principles of causality and physics that created all of us. Furthermore, we can observe nature and come up with pre-suppositions about the nature of such a being. It's all speculation based on reason and not empirical evidence.
@@BDDesignCo But can we really come to reasonable conclusion for something completely outside reallity by observing the natural world?
BD Design Co. According to your own words, specifically the word speculation, this video should be titled Speculation that god exists. There’s simply no evidence to believe that any god exists.
@@MichaelSmith-mc8ji it is if you use common sense.. Nothing creates its self therefore there is no possible way the earth or life itself created it self
Why the univers created the human brain . Where the logic of the brain is coming from ? The univers right ? So the univers has an intelligence because that's what created us . This intelligence we call it " God " .
Your videos are awesome, please make a video on Ayn Rand fountainhead
Thanks! I'll look it up
@@BDDesignCo how come you didn’t use any tangible evidence as proof? Such as Noah’s Ark being found in 2007 according to archeologists?
🙏🏽 i love you god
🙏🏽 i love you jesus christ
Amen
Amen
superstitious behaviors, people like you are holding society back in the iron age.
If God doesn't exist, then who am I?
And the bottom line is “a fool said in his heart there is no God” (psalm 14:1). Bible says don’t argue with fools if they don’t wanna listen, end of discussion. Period.
the bible has been debunked thousands of times
@@prolson3708 ohh really? Would you mind showing me one instance?
@@AbhishekAngel when Jesus says to his desiples when the next passover will be, he says when you find the man with a bucket of water. That is an astrological reference to Aquarius on the zodiac. Also the 10 commandments are copied from Egyptian mythology.
@@prolson3708 Whoa whoa whoa. Would u mind showing me those verses about a man with the bucket, and also please show me the Egyptian mythology and the ten commandments relation. I need sources and proofs.
@@AbhishekAngel funny you ask because apparently, you don't need sources or proof for religion?
I just wanna see how this'll be answered: who created God? And please dont say God created himself, as that's impossible.
The concept of God exists outside of the realm and principles of time, space, matter, and causality. Nothing created God because God didn't need to be created in order to exist. God can only be understood as being the origin of creation itself. In order to "create" something, there needs to be something to create with. God has to be seen as the original being, force or thing since nothing existed prior to the big bang. Nothing existed before the influence of this thing we call God. Also, it's worthy to note that the term "impossible" only applies in reference to laws of physics and whatnot, we're pondering about what lies beyond or prior to their introduction.
I really look forward to your response! This is a very challenging discussion. Thank you!!
@@BDDesignCo So did God just kinda sit around for a while and do nothing, or did he immediately decide to create the universe as soon as he he came into existence? (also I appreciate the fact that you're actually taking the time to talk about this civilly)
Wait a minute i think I may have misinterpreted what you said.
If you're saying that the big bang happened, and also created God, then what qualifies as a creation of God? Would it be everything, or just life? No matter whichever one you think happened, it wouldn't require the existence of any higher being. Oh, and to address the first point you cited that "proves" the existence of some sort of God, when you trace it back, all energy on and in our planet comes from the sun: The sun emits UV rays that are absorbed by producers, those producers then use that energy to grow until they are eaten by primary consumers, who continue the cycle until it reaches the top, and the apex animal dies. That animals remains are eaten by decomposers, who reintegrate the energy into the soil to be absorbed by producers yet again. This restarts the process, creating a neverending loop.
PS: sorry about my lack in good sentence construction, it's pretty late for me.
@@whama7998 I accept the big bang theory but after reading Thomas Aquinas, I think "God" did it. So God was before the big bang and was not created by or after it. As for the timing or reason as to why he did.. I have no idea.
@@BDDesignCo So, I have a question. Is God considered a frame of reference?
I believe in the creation simply because we multiply. So it had to start with 2
Lots of organisms reproduce directly from themselves. Only 1 is needed
THERE ARE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 suns just like ours. Even if a superbeing existed, no way could he create that immense universe (impossible). And there’s no reason he would care about our sun more than all the others. We are just a speck of dust in the grand scale of the cosmos
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Ur arguments in this comment section makes more sense than the ones presented in the vid
The just rewatch it till it makes sense.
In Revelation God throws the
atheists agnostics into Hell to burn forever.
And the Huge Demons Torture the
atheists agnostics in Hell forever
@@godchristmadethebigbangand4721 Your point is completely irrelevant, hence incomprehensible, even if it is possibly true.
atheism and agnosticism
Has ZERO ZERO EVIDENCE.
And you believe it with
ZERO ZERO ZERO EVIDENCE.
The God Christ Jesus made the bigbang. And God made evolution.
Apatheist myself but thanks
K
Now all you have to do is find an argument that doesnt appeal to a logical fallacy and you will be all set!
A logical fallacy would indicate a contradiction in reason. Like the statement "there is no such thing as absolute truth". That statement is an example of logical fallacy because for it to be true it would then be proven false as the statement itself would have to be objectively true in order to be accurate... Given this is the case your comment made it seem like saint Thomas' arguments were in some way contradictory or self defeating.
Would you please list a few of the ways the arguments are fallacious. Thank you.
Oooh very nice points! Now if I may retort:
1. The mover can be a force too. So it could be the big bang
2. The Big Bang is known to have created time, and therefore the higsbosen existed out of time kinda like a god
3. Assuming contingency you’d be right, but we have no knowledge outside of contingency, so any theories would be purely hypothetical
4.I don’t understand what you mean tbh
5. That’s a fallacy from ignorance.
Overall I think all these arguments are circular, and we should only go based on what we observe and by creating models based on those experience.
The mover can be a force but what caused the force ? I don’t think it can just be a force because the laws of physics as we know it came into existence in the beginning also so how did nothing become a force that caused something? The must logical option is something created every and set it in motion with natural laws
@@quicksilver7532 well where is that "it", and better yet, where did it come from. Everything has a beginning. And yet god has always been around?
@@alfrogiguess Everything has a beginning, but not if it exists out of time.
EASIER TO BELIEVE in a big bang “coming from nothing” than a fully formed being with 1000 IQ and magical abilities. The big bang is simple. The magical being is complex & unlikely to spontaneously appear
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THERE ARE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 suns just like ours. Even if a superbeing existed, no way could he create that immense universe (impossible). And there’s no reason he would care about our sun more than all the others. We are just a speck of dust in the grand scale of the cosmos
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Nothing came from nothing?
Exactly people forget there's proof for 1=0 so therefore 1 is equal to 0
One cake is mathematically the same as no cake
@@isaacfoster2820 what proof. There's gonna be a mistake in it for sure.
@@alexhosten1508 I'm being sarcastic lol
@@isaacfoster2820 I wasn't sure lmao, you never know on the internet
Great video and points, but I’m going to still be an atheist because we all have different perspectives on the world or universe or multiverse.
Respect. I'm still pretty agnostic myself. I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
This is the way I think of it, I don’t know wether or not god is real, but there’s always going to be that chance that he is, so why not take an hour out of every Sunday to worship him and have that chance of joining him when you pass. If he’s not real then that is okay because I believed, but if he is real it is because of the decision I made to love and worship him, I’m not a huge Christian but those are words from the heart
Young Aidan Music, we would probably would never know if a god exists or not, and the belief you have. you have to stick by your what you believe in. It would be strange If you pretend to be religious or not religious if you’re real not.
@@sealmango3666 if you think you cannot know if there is God, you are an agnostic. Why do you call yourself atheist? I mean you call yourself whatever you want, but why atheist and not agnostic which you actually are?
Mohammad Tausif Rafi
I stated that I understand the points he was making and know why he believes in God. I’m an atheist because that’s what I believe in, and he and other people believe in God because that’s their beliefs.
"Trees grow.... ??? ... ergo nothing can be moved without a mover... ???... ergo an ancient semitic mountain demon named Yahweh is the only god but only this one and not the others..."
Bad argument.
"if the sun vanished, it would be cold...???... ergo something must have created life...???... oh and btw, that something just so happens to be my ancient semitic mountain demon named Yahweh who hates foreskins because...uh"
bad argument
The reason i believe god exists is because jesus existed and it has been proven
Amen
How was it proven?
Historical records
@@oson5532 can you link them pls?
King Tut existed. He and the Egyptian people believed he was divine. That does not make him a god, or their religious scriptures valid.
Here’s proof For you go outside and look around
I went and gave it a shot. I went outside only to see hundreds wearing a mask from a disease that’s all around the world. Then I took a left at the light only to meet a woman with cancer. So I figured I took another left just to find a van kidnapping some kids. You’re very right, going outside gives you all the proof that your loving, holy, powerful god indeed does not exist.
@@christiancarrier6180 XD
@@christiancarrier6180 nice
@@christiancarrier6180 imagine life if there is no evil and only good. No suffering and only happiness.
The proof of a god lies on the shoulders of the one making the claim. A true atheist is not convinced that a god exist. Show us objectionable, demonstrative, tangible evidence, and stop talking in circles, and don't say the bible tells me so. It won't work.
Mathematics proves god does not exist.
God created mathematics so:
Let a + b = c, i.e. a = 1, b = 2, c is therefore 3.
multiply both sides of this equation by (a - c)
which gives (a - c)(a + b) = c(a - c),
which results in a² + ab - ac - bc = ac - c²,
adding bc to both sides gives a² +ab - ac -bc + bc = ac + bc - c² ,
factorising gives a(a + b - c) = c(a + b - c),
terms in the brackets cancel therefore a = c and therefore god is flawed and does not exist.
The easiest way to prove God’s existence is to ask yourself who made the sun, moon and the stars. We know for a fact man didn’t make it so that leaves only one other option.🤷🏾♂️
If you wan't to know how stars and other celestial bodies are created, science has an answer to that, it's so simple I could even explain it here if you wanted to
I mean no we dont know how they where made bc no one was around at that time
Your a smooth brain
@Michael Philogene ofcourse kiddo
@@alexhosten1508 Either God created it or man did, there's no other option. It's so simple that a child can understand it.
Belief is NOT proof. Philosophy at ist very best can only say a god COULD exist but there has never been any proof thus its falacious
The first three arguments are actually the same and all of the arguments default to being arguments from ignorance. This has been known for a very long time and philosophers such as David Hume explained why Aquinas's arguments fail a long time ago.
Please elaborate so I know that you're not just projecting the thoughts of someone else that you deem to be smart enough be right. How are they arguments from ignorance?
@@BDDesignCo To claim that all movement requires an initial mover is the same argument as saying that creation needs a creator. The assumption is the same and is an argument from ignorance. Modern cosmology has many competing ideas for the origin of the universe and the nature, structure and origin (if that is even a meaningful concept) of the multiverse, none of these ideas requires,includes or implies any God, the concept is simply not necessary for a logically coherent understanding of reality. The essence of the fallacy is saying if you cannot imagine an explanation then your preferred explanation must be true. Aquinas makes this mistake repeatedly. Hume refuted this by explaining the fallacy.
@@Matthew_Holton hmmm.. I'm gonna check out some Hume. Maybe it'll make for an interesting video.
@@BDDesignCo I would love to see you do videos on logical fallacies and how to identify them. I know other people have done them but, your video's have an appealing art style and narrative to them.
@@Matthew_Holton You are making a bunch of strawman against Aquinas' argument. He did not say that all movement requires an initial mover. He says in his Summa that whatever is in motion must be moved by another. By _motion_ Aquinas means the metaphysical act of moving from potentiality to actuality which he derived from Aristotle. It's the Aristotlelian account of causality.
Modern cosmology has nothing to do with with Aquinas' argument. Aquinas was not talking about local motion and he did not say that the Universe had a beginning. Aquinas assumed for the sake of argument that the Universe was eternal since most philosophers believed that in his day. His argument is about what is sustaining the existence of the Universe here and now. By "first mover" Aquinas meant what has ontological priority. This is sometimes called existence actualizers. For example cats depend on the existence of cells, cells depend on the existence of molecules, molecules depend on the existence of atoms, and so forth until this terminates in a reality that is responsible for the existence for everything else here and now so is the first mover in the since of ontological priority not contingent causality within time.
Also I don't think Hume refuted anything. All he did was deny Aristotlelian efficient and final causality and adopted counter intuitive views of causality which are problematic since nowadays philosophers of logic and possibility no that conceptual possibilities do not translate into ontological possibilities. Hume's very on notion of conceivability undercuts his conclusion. For example it is conceivable that something has the nature of necessary existence like a necessary existing particle or logical principle. According to Hume conceivability is possibility. But the problem is something cannot be possibly necessary unless it is actually necessary in reality. If a necessary thing does not exist but could then it would have the potential to exist which would mean it is contingent which contradicts the nature of a necessity. So Hume is wrong. Being able to conceive of things does not make them ontologically possible.
Me a atheist
@SuperJacksonYT'ッ do you know what a atheist is?
@SuperJacksonYT'ッ yes so why would I care about your religious mumbo jumbo.
@@teawnagrove8541 lmao 🤣🤣
@Raibaru fumetsu ooh shiver me timbers, I’m soo scared plz don’t hurt me
@RaibaruFumetsuYT ツ lol they gon enjoy fire and worms and snakes probably
Where did Human beings come from.
man was created by God in His image.
@@jacoba4533 no wonder us humans are a terrible species.
@@jacoba4533 and what is God image?
Not logical and not proof of any god.😂
How to kill apologetics:
1. Argument isn't evidence.
2. Apologists can't assert their "logic" without employing fallacy, why do you suppose that is?
We can go into each of these five nonsensical arguments if you like, but in the end, you entered with nothing and left learning nothing. This is not a good way to spend your time.
I expected a comment like this to show up. why are you so riled up? I clearly stated that this video was made in order to explore the believer point of view without ridiculing it as you are doing. Also, I clearly stated at the end that none of this is evidence. Please explain what "fallacy" is being inserted?
@@BDDesignCo "I expected a comment like this to show up. why are you so riled up?" If it can be destroyed by the truth, it should be.
"Please explain what "fallacy" is being inserted?" An argument from ignorance. All "five" nonsensical arguments (which are really just a way to restate that you can insert a gaps fallacy into anything you don't understand).
@@frosted1030 frosted1030 I just don’t consider the arguments “nonsensical” rather just something to consider and debate over. They are clearly rationalist arguments and definitely not empiricist ones. It seems that you are an empiricist and that’s cool. I’m just here to share different types of philosophies that some ppl might find interesting. Even I don’t agree with all of them but I rather engage in discussion rather than ridicule them.
@@BDDesignCo " I just don’t consider the arguments “nonsensical” rather just something to consider and debate over." So.. you think you can debate some fantasy into existance? That's irrational.
"They are clearly rationalist arguments and definitely not empiricist ones." Never seen a theist that admits they are wrong about their deity.. even when the obvious nature of their fallacies are exposed. You call that rational?
"’m just here to share different types of philosophies that some ppl might find interesting." You must have a lot of time on your hands. In the real world, we do things, make things, and don't have time for these mindless games of justification for action or inaction. We act. Or do you think your computer just happened from a magical word spoken by some invisible creature?
frosted1030 okay this is just asinine. You’ve clearly never been exposed to the real arguments for gods exitence. Granted, the arguments in this video were a bit simplistic and incorrect. Aquinas talks about contingent causation that happens simultaneously, not a chain that stretches back in time. Your problem is that you assume something is fantasy without using any logic or reason to back it up.