A2A Aviation - Aerostar #2: First time as a flight crew
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2020
- Scott and Jake Gentile fly the Aerostar together for the first time in almost two years. Now that Jake is an instrument rated CFI, things are different. We spent hours preflighting before flying. This was a casual flight, just getting used to procedures and to prepare for future cross country flights.
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I’m looking forward to this aircraft in MSFS more than any other aircraft in my sim history.
People in MSFS: I'm flying over my house !
A2A in real life: We're flying over YOUR house !
The only problem I have with all the A2A products is that once you tried one, you can never go back to any other addons... Nothing else comes close to the realism, atleast in the GA niche.
We really appreciate you saying this because this is why we got into flight simulation in the first place, being unsatisfied. So we went into this business to make the airplanes we always wanted but could never have.
@@ShockwaveProd i have a few hundred in other addons for FSX/P3D. Haven't installed a single one since going A2A for my fleet lol.
A2A's aircraft are the ONLY reason I still have Prepar3D V4 installed along with MSFS and XP11.
Agree. That's why it's hard to fly in MSFS 2020 without A2A planes. Can't wait to fly the Aerostar in MSFS 2020
Oh yes! so true!
I sure hope you are teasing this to get us ready for the sim version!
Every airplane is a unique animal, and this video proves that with the cold start
Yes, the amount of primer required for a cold start was just one example of what even experienced pilots will consider a truth but you will only know certain things by experiencing them first hand. And even then, there are still unanswered questions. Our Comanche is also an aircraft that always needs primer, even for a hot start.
When I first saw the cockpit I was like Luke Skywalker on laying eyes on the Millennium Falcon for the first time: “What a piece of junk!” But then Han Solo reminded me “She'll make point five past lightspeed. It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.” She’s a beauty!
That is so funny as when I first saw the Aerostar cockpit it also reminded me of the Millennium Falcon. We will slowly make her pretty again, but I'm not in that much of a hurry. The main thing is this airplane is functionally solid.
We cannot wait to fly a A2A again!
The airplane is great but as a father I'm most impressed by the father-son team that you are. You should both be proud.
Thanks for saying this. It was actually hard after he first became a CFI and being his Dad and not being "in command" all the time. We're both adapting and working on being the best team we can be.
I would like to thank the two gentlemen who made this excellent video. The Aerostar has always been my favorite piston twin, and I absolutely love the sound those Lycomings make during take-off.
Flying one of these has to be like flying a fighter jet. This fellow is a damn good pilot.
Looking at your start procedure there are a couple things I could recommend. For the cold start, advance the throttle about an inch or so, the prime for 4-5 seconds. Then bring the throttle back to to the stop then advance ab out 1/8 inch beyond where the lever binds a little. This should work perfect for you. What I was observing was the throttle was all the way closed when you were trying to start. There is a start procedure video on my channel, albeit for the 700 but it should still work fine for you. For a hot start, same thing but no prime and open the throttle about 1/4 inch. Hopefully you will get the plane up and flying again.
My grandfather grew up with Ted Smith! He bought one of the first aerostars (semi-custom) and has been kept in a hangar inside Sedona, AZ. I have very fond memories of going up with him and learning everything about it. He used to tell me, that the aero was a UH-1 helo with wings! He passed away last year and left it to me, but I honestly have no idea where to start with her. I do not have my license, but have always been a flight sim enthusiast. The aircraft is in great condition, due to local pilots at the field taking care of her in honor of my grandfather. I hope, that one day soon I will be able to get my license and take her up where she belongs! Thank you for the content! Very motivational!
Let's hope an A2A aerostar addon is on its way! Great work and all the best, from the other side of the Atlantic.
Finally! a twin from A2A 'piston' simulations :) Crossing my fingers for a fsx version
Javier, I don't think we will be able to make an FSX version because as wonderful as FSX is, it will not likely support the systems we are developing for the Aerostar
What a fascinating watch! Thanks for sharing. This video is a great demonstration of the experience and mindset that makes an authentic simulation aircraft
Barry seal would be proud!!! Loved the video and cant wait for the release, bravo sir!!!!
You guys looked like you were having a blast up there, I'm super jealous! Keep these flight vids coming.
Aerostar is one of the greatest planes ever dreamed, much less manufactured! I have been my dad's right seat second in command for 25 years in the same Aerostar 601P.
Starting: we turn all fuel pumps on (both left and right), throttle closed, mixture full rich 3 to 6 seconds. Mixture idle cut off, throttle about 1.5-2". Should fire right up. We rarely have problems with flooding on initial start up. If so, go full throttle, mixture idle cut off, when it fires throw the mixture rich and throttle back, be fast on the hands and your in business!
Alternator noise: defeneitly not normal, the bird is notorious for alternator issues, especially if you have an electric a/c unit. Check diodes and also voltage regulator on the aft cabin bulkhead.
Gear down: Always wings level, ball centered, hard to tell in the video. Gear doors don't like side loads.
Check out the AOA (Aerostar owners association), lots of great resources far better than me out there for additional information. Even after 25 years, dad and I learn something new almost every flight. Happy flying!
Great advice thanks. It’s interesting how everyone has their own technique for starting. Since these vids I’ve started to settle on a consistent technique slightly different to yours but once one is found and it works, it works :)
Such a great older airplane.
Thanks Scott, Jake & The A2A Team
Looking good Scott
A must buy.
There’s no one like A2A.
Very Nice enjoyed that.
To start 600A every time follow these instructions:
1. Cold start. Throttle 1”, mixture fullrich , boost pump for 4.5 seconds. Leave throttle 1” and mixture rich. Crank it over and it will start second blade.
2. Hot start. Throttle 1”, mixture full Rich, boost pump one second. Mixture to idle cutoff and go full throttle, Crank it over, will start after 3-4 blades. Once it fires push the mixture rich and pull the throttle back down to 1000rpm.
Hi Trey, we are flying this Wednesday and will try these exact instructions but this is what works for us now. The exact same procedure I did here except hold for 5 sec cold, 3 sec hot. Both engines started right away. But I will try your suggestion and report back.
I'm so looking forward to flying this plane
nice landing!!!
I was lucky enough to grow up in Coeur d'Alene not far from where Aerostar is headquarted now. I used to watch them in and out of KCOE from the baseball field. I can't wait to fly them over that baseball field in MSFS.
Can't wait to see it in MFS. When I can fly my Comanche in MFS? Greets from Germany.
MFS in VR in an A2A Aerostar (or any other A2A aircraft) would make my life complete.
Now if only Asobo could get their shit together…
They have a lot on their plate but we are dependent on them to allow Accu-Sim to work
@@ShockwaveProd From the outside, it's kinda funny how aircraft devs seem to be split in two groups now: everybody complaining about an unfinished SDK and incomplete documentation, and Aerosoft. 👿
Marc Aurel To my understanding, the SDK is finished (enough) if you build your plane from scratch using the new techniques. Most developers are not willing or able (time or financial-wise) to rebuild their software with the new techniques. They are waiting for Asobo to allow their C++ code in. Asobo is either playing a waiting game to convince them to rebuild, does not want this because of xbox compatibility, or simply hasn't had the time yet.
@@hansgrietjes7310 Asobo and Microsoft are making a mistake if they think X-boxers will buy or even want to use study-level aircraft. That being said, I am not Asobo and I hope to be proven wrong.
@@aurel42 Just so there isn't a misunderstanding, we're not complaining but just stating the reason we're in a holding pattern. I respect the amount of work they have to do and we are not coming at this from an entitled pov. Military contracts are keeping us afloat while we wait for Accu-Sim support to materialize.
I flew a c150 with ceiling windows in Cancun, great way to get a terrible sunburn.
Crap, Jake's all grown up, I remember him as a boy... Am I actually getting old? CRAP!
First thing I thought too!
I can't wait to fly it in FSX 😁
Every engine is always different from the next, even after when they get overhauled. I also can't wait for this thing to come out and put a 750 inside of it. It would be great if someone in the sim community could make a G5 and JPI EDM 960 to slap in this thing.
Looking forward for the release of this airplane in MSFS.
When the Aerostar is out, will we also get a model of Jake's friend waiting for us to fly over his house next to the reservoir?
Looking great guys! Question: it looked like the tachometers were reading zero after engine start, then later on (starting at about 3:55), they're working. Why's that?
I hope a radar and gtn fit in that stack. I don’t need any virtual key storage in p3d. Lol. Can’t wait to try her out. Instant purchase for me.
There's plenty of room there for more avionics :)
@@ShockwaveProd thanks, can’t wait!
This is amazing, I can't wait for i! Will there be a tutorial series for this aircaft? It seems pretty complex :)
Yes, we will go into detail on many levels
Nice video, really looking forward to flying her. A question about the P3D/MSFS release though. Will the release for P3D be delayed in any way depending on how everything pans out with MSFS, not having all the parts in place etc? Keep posting these vids, love 'em!
We need answers to these MSFS 2020 questions first before knowing how we will proceed with P3D
Hey there, I was hoping you could answer a question? I was wondering if you might take into consideration making a smaller "classic" type aircraft? With other devos doing med to small types classics like Caranados D18S, Mandfred Jahns DC-3, Aerosofts DHC-2, Albaos C195, etc, do you plan on making another such classic airframe? If so, maybe something that rarely gets sim attention, such as the Lockheed 12a, the Beech Twin Bonanza D50C, or the North American Navion?
Great suggestions Bradley. Once Accu-Sim is running inside MSFS2020, it will allow us to make more aircraft. Those are all beautiful aircraft we'd love to Accu-Sim
So sad this beautiful plane is no more. :(
My Dad is an A&P, IA and has been since before getting out of the Air Force in 1974. When you looked at his base pricing for inspections by model, Aerostar was the last one on the list and instead of a price, it said 'No Way, Jose". I asked him why under the impression it was a horrible aircraft. He said it was one of the finest aircraft ever built, it was just too damn difficult to work on. Just curious if the maintenance cost is ridiculous compared to other twins.
As usual “it depends”. U get into the turbocharged and pressurized models, then yeah the price goes up. There’s also some unusual stuff on these planes compared to say a Baron, such a the hydraulics... mechanical pump on the right engine with an electronic backup... powering the gear, nose wheel steering and flaps. Plus of course, they’re rare as hell. Been 15 year since I’ve flown them/worked on them at DXR so take it for what it’s worth!
Is Jake an MEI as well?
We all hope for a Cessna U206, any chance? Thanks
As someone who has flown the Aerostar, I see your start process is a bit flawed. To prime the engine, crack the throttle (not halfway), mixture rich,, pump on FOR THE COUNT IF SIX (not 2, or 4, or 5). Pump OFF, Mixture back to LEAN. Engage Starter. Once engine catches, mixture RICH. This is for a cold engine. Hot engines same procedure EXCEPT SHORTER PRIME TIME. Hope this helps.
Scott Gentille literaly "breaths" aviation. There should be more "add-ons" builders lie him & A2A team.
Notice the "add-ons". It`s just that for me, they`re way more than that. And who`s Jake? His son?
Hi Flying Dutchman, thanks for the kind words. Yes, Jake is my son. He's come a long way: www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34992
The Accusim version isn't going to have that whistle you had while landing is it? That'd give me such a headache. Have you thought of putting a condenser on the alternator to stop that? Or at least an option to tone it down please? I get such bad migraines and as much as I want to buy that plane, that'd be a no deal for me. As you know, I have all your planes :), well had, I don't use FSX anymore, I'm on FS2020. :D
No worried NeoneStyle, we will make this optional
@@ShockwaveProd Thank you Scott. Much appreciated :D Then I will most definitely buy it. Having a twin, where you can still see the ground out the left window is a big plus. I hope you'll have the steam gauge version. Not a fan of the glass cockpit.
@@ShockwaveProd please don't remove or dumb down anything. I want the authentic thing please, no matter how annoying or not!
It's funny how I thought exactly the opposite and I was glad that the alternator's whistle will be simulated. I loved it 👍
@@lllEduardollll It's great it's going to be optional :D
Don't put alternator whine in the sim version. A properly maintained Aerostar does not do that.
Maybe it can be included as an indication that maintenance is due....🤔😄
Yep I want this plane in the hanger. Send me a price 😅 (2020 offcoars)
hard on starters eh? Why don't you just do what you know works for your bird? I mean no two are exactly the same due to various compression and batter power, etc.