At a more fundamental level, if people hadn’t taken the time to do this (that is, advanced math in general) we wouldn’t even have the computer to plug it into.
Also, if you're a professional mathematician or computer scientist, things like this are your job. So you have time for this because it's literally what you're paid to do. People are (mostly) not doing this as a hobby.
The fact that you understand that there are things you don’t know actually proves you are indeed intelligent. People with higher IQs are always trying to learn more while people with lower IQs usually think they already know everything.
I’ve always liked math and I find these kinds of strange problems interesting even if I can’t completely understand them. If you really want your mind blown, Numberphile makes videos about a bunch of mind bending math problems
It's not all for nothing. Each round of research is used as the building blocks for the next. "He spent 3 years trying and couldn't prove it. So we can look at his 3 years of work, know it's not there, and just keep going where he left off". Proving math can take many generations building off those who came before us......I was very good in math.
I didn't expect to see the Collatz conjecture on this channel. I am pleasantly surprised. My dad and I have degrees in mathematics and we had some fun attempting to get a handle on it. It turns out to be very closely related to Turing machines and complexity theory, and it is some very tough stuff.
An odd coincidence to this video, that I remember looking up after seeing this video the first time, was that I had gone to a Wikipedia article about "List of Unsolved Problems in Mathematics." I tried looking up this Math problem, and noticed that one of them was called "Thurston's 24 Questions" proposed in 1982 by American mathematician William Paul Thurston (born October 30th, 1946 - died August 21st, 2012), who was an early pioneer of low-dimensional topology and awarded the Fields Medal for his contributions to the study of 3-manifolds in 1982. I call it a coincidence because at first, I had an uncanny sense of Deja-vu upon reading about Thurston's Questions but didn't know why. I later read through the comments section and learned that your name is Thurston. I hope this random bit of trivia makes you laugh at or wonder about it.
OMG, this is nuts! All the numbers go back to 1; why drive yourself crazy. The loop 4, 3, 2, 1 is infinite. You can't multiply it, 1x1=1, accept the fact that it's an infinite loop and move on.
Hey luka two really cool videos you should react to is jack Churchill the man who fought in WWII with a sword by infographics and Pleistocene park by atlas pro which is about rewilding Russia someday with mammoths and maybe more reactions to animals in the U.S or animals, in general, may do well because the one you did a few months ago pulled in about 150k views so it may be a good idea.
Pi is completely solved and has been for millennia. We can get pi to whatever precision we want, and we can easily write calculatable expressions that are exactly equal to it.
I was never good in maths while I was in school but I excelled at reading and language. Flash Forward 25 years and after a traumatic brain injury I sometimes struggle with reading (and seizures, memory loss, fun stuff) but can do math like this in my head... To an extent at least. obviously to go into the really huge numbers, that requires a computer.
Luka, you've mentioned problems with the channel stagnating. Well what I always enjoy most form you are videos like this one and the space videos. Your interest in learning is very engaging and you aren't nearly as stupid as you seem to think you are. You should really stop saying that.
I agree! my dad used to tell us kids "You become the way you think." So basically if you think you're stupid then for sure you will become stupid, if you think you're going to be poor, then you will be poor and so on. It got down to where he told us "If you think you will rich then you will become rich but," he says "I know an awful lot of rich people that are not happy so the best thing is to think you will be happy." I hope this will be taken in the same way you are recommending he stop saying that. I believe you are correct, he continually strives to know and searches for answers to things he is unsure of even during his reaction videos. I seriously doubt stupid people ever do that.
If we’re looking for just one example? It could be possible to use the proof that it works to communicate with other civilizations outside of earth. Because if it’s something that does not change Regardless of what you use, you could in fact use it as a formula to communicate a sentence that someone/something would better understand as a mathematical Language.
How do people have the time? They make a computer do it. It is not particularly difficult. Just a matter of how large of a value the computer can store
You might find it easier to understand if you weren't live and were constantly looking at the chat ;-) this is the sort of thing that requires attention and if you didn't follow what he said at any one point because you just fazed out for a moment, which is understandable, you could always scroll back a bit in the video. It's kind of disappointing to see you watch this because it seems like you didn't really try, just wanted to get it over with so that the reaction was complete. There were some points in the original video that are kind of hard to grasp if you haven't done maths for a long time but most of it is really accessible if you give it a chance, pay attention and not go into it with the mindset of "I can't do maths, I'm too dumb for this anyway".
Same as the first post, watches this yesterday. Not going to lie, this should be a educational ride. Remember the day of this is your brain on drugs? He is not on druga that I know of but we are about to hear the sizzle.
I tried it and 3 Was the number that didn't do the loop it instead looped like all the way back to 3 back to 1 Basically / 5 1 (jumps to 1) 1:(jumps to 5) 5:(jumps to 16)
Can someone please explain to me if I’m dumb for thinking this, but like what is the problem they tryna solve. It’s just an equation that always ends the same wtf does solving it mean 😂
Maybe I’m stupid but...what would we gain from this being “solved”? Is it gonna give us drought resistant crops or a cancer cure? Maybe the key to a new propulsion system? What’s the big deal? What does “solving” this do for us?
@@DiorDexico lol I’m thankful for mathematicians because I know they have helped solve a lot of unknowns, but I can’t believe ppl have spent years and years looking at this. I would be so frustrated lol I still would love to know what we would gain by solving it, though. 🤔
Solving such things often advance some unexpected area. Sometimes they don't advance anything. The real answer is that we won't know until we prove or disprove it.
Solutions to this type of pure mathematics problem are rarely so applicable in a straightforward manner. However, many engineering methods/ problem solutions are borne out of the answers to these sorts of hard problems either directly or indirectly. Even just attempting to solve problems like this could potentially lead to solutions to other unexpected problems.
If we’re looking for just one example? It could be possible to use the proof that it works to communicate with other civilizations outside of earth. Because if it’s something that does not change Regardless of what you use, you could in fact use it as a formula to communicate a sentence that someone/something would better understand as a mathematical Language.
If you want to solve the equation 3x + 1, we can find the value of x that makes the equation true. To solve for x, we need to isolate the variable on one side of the equation. Let's start by subtracting 1 from both sides of the equation: 3x + 1 - 1 = 0 This simplifies to: 3x = -1 Now, to isolate x, we divide both sides of the equation by 3: (3x)/3 = (-1)/3 Simplifying further, we get: x = -1/3 So the solution to the equation 3x + 1 = 0 is x = -1/3.👨🎓
I don't understand why this is confusing? Maybe I'm missing something but based on the rules laid down you'll be getting even numbers frequently, and dividing them by 2. You'll go down more frequently than you go up. Edit: As far as I can tell any odd number you put into 3x+1 is going to have an even number as a result. However, since you're dividing all even numbers by 2, you have to consider that every even number that's a factor of 4 will come out as another even number when divided by 2. That's half of all even numbers. As a result you'll have more division problems than multiplication/addition problems.
This is the intuition behind the probabilistic approach, however, it doesn't prove that all numbers will behave accordingly. In the vast unending quantity of numbers, "very likely to go down" does not make "sure to go down eventually".
@@Krashoan I think it can be proven, though I might not personally be able to do it. Odd numbers, by definition, are integers that are not divisible evenly by 2. Even numbers, by definition, are integers that are evenly divisible by 2. Evenly divisible means no decimals or remainders. Integers are whole numbers by definition. Fractions cannot be integers unless they become whole numbers when reduced to lowest terms. Look at 3x as x + x + x. Anytime you add x, with itself you are doing the same as multiplying by 2. Since a number has to be an integer to be odd or even, then fractions & decimals that aren't whole numbers when reduced to lowest terms do not apply to this scenario. Any integer multiplied by 2 will produce an even number regardless of the integer. See earlier definition of even number & remember that division is the opposite of multiplication. It's also true that if you add an odd number to an even number you'll get an odd number as the result. You're adding a number that's not divisible by 2 with a number that is divisible by 2. In doing 3x, you're adding x to itself twice. The result of this will be an even number of x is an even number, and an odd number if x is an odd number. Adding 1 to that odd number will make it an even number. In the rules laid out in the video we're always applying 3x+1 to odd numbers, but never to even numbers. We're also never dividing odd numbers by 2 but always dividing even numbers by 2. This means every time that the rules of the scenario require you to multiply then add 1 you'll get an even number than you'll have to divide by 2. Under these rules you will never multiply twice in a row, but there are times you'll divide multiple times in a row. Any time your result is an even number divisible by 4 you will be dividing at least twice in a row. In that circumstance you'll divide by 2, then get another even number which the rules require you to divide by 2 again. You'll continue to divide by 2 until you get an odd number. It may take a while but you eventually will get in the loop described in the video 1-4-2-1.
@@Terrell070 figured I’d come back and reply here. The problem lies in that when you go odd -> even and divide by 2 to get an odd you increase by (about) 3/2. When you go odd -> even and divide by 2 to get an even and divide by 2 again you decrease by (about) 3/4. Of course it is possible to divide more than twice after multiplying. However this is as far as we get. We cannot predict the sequence of multiplications and divisions, and saying that, for example, “on average” the reductions outweigh the additions (which I’m fairly certain can be shown), is not sufficient to guarantee that there are no exceptions that go off to infinity. This method also doesn’t really address the looping issue.
Ok...so if it ever landed on or equaled 3, it would be multiplied because its odd... so I don't get the fascination with all numbers ending up to equal 1. However, I am not good at math eiether..so.
I'm lost as to what there is to solve. It seems pretty obvious that any number you can pick will eventually just fall back to the loop. So what? This is just a coincidental side effect of the number system we created. It's mathematical pareidolia.
The main problem here is that "It seems pretty obvious" is not sufficient to prove "It is true" that every number will fall into the loop. Checking a really large number of possibilities or establishing many types of numbers do is not sufficient to say that EVERY number will always fall into the loop.
Looks like mainstream clickbait to me? "Simple Math" but it has programming logic in the form of an "if then else" else statement. Makes perfect sense why it's considered dumb to study it. Two fields mixed and then hyped up to make it look more interesting than it is to those who don't know math and programming.
19:49 - Is this guy serious? There should be a different amount of loops because the direction of magnitude adjustment of the 1 has been reversed. 3x+1 on the positive side would be the same pattern as 3x-1 . All of these ultra popular math videos seem to have major fallacies in them.
@@gamerdio2503 3x+1 has double addition since 3 times x is x + x +x, and then you have +1, all plus, "x + x + x + 1". 3x -1, or x + x + x -1, is plus and minus. My whole point is that this is why one has obvious loops and the other doesn't, one has 2 directions of movement while the other only has one.
@@gamerdio2503 The loops occur when x is small enough that 3x is less than the one being subtracted. When there is no subtraction or division there is no loop because there is no change in direction because only have multiplication and subtraction and no division or subtraction ensures the numbers always stay moving in the same direction.
@@defftony That's not very rigorous, I would say. It provides a potentially intuitive way to think about it, but I don't think it's good enough to be an actual proof. Not that there's anything to prove, since we already know via example that 3x-1 has these loops
@@gamerdio2503 Troll logic is intuitive as well. All it takes is refusing to follow trains of thought and constantly rerouting the train as many times as it takes regardless of how poor the connection between thoughts is. The point from the beginning is that the original video is claiming something very intuitive is not.
Live stream was going great until you put on this math crap. Viewers left in droves. You sat there dazed and confused ignoring all pleas to stop. Delusional if you think anyone was interested. If you want to live stream, pay attention.
The plan was to do a live reaction the post onto the channel, sometimes people will like the reactions sometimes people won’t but I wasn’t just going to stop when it was going into my channel after?
“How do people have time for this?”
You plug it into a computer and come back in six months.
At a more fundamental level, if people hadn’t taken the time to do this (that is, advanced math in general) we wouldn’t even have the computer to plug it into.
Also, if you're a professional mathematician or computer scientist, things like this are your job. So you have time for this because it's literally what you're paid to do. People are (mostly) not doing this as a hobby.
The fact that you understand that there are things you don’t know actually proves you are indeed intelligent. People with higher IQs are always trying to learn more while people with lower IQs usually think they already know everything.
You ain't dumb. I studied physics in college, and this confuses me too. Math is strange.
I’ve always liked math and I find these kinds of strange problems interesting even if I can’t completely understand them. If you really want your mind blown, Numberphile makes videos about a bunch of mind bending math problems
same
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It's not all for nothing. Each round of research is used as the building blocks for the next. "He spent 3 years trying and couldn't prove it. So we can look at his 3 years of work, know it's not there, and just keep going where he left off". Proving math can take many generations building off those who came before us......I was very good in math.
I WATCHED THIS YETSTERDAY
edit:wow thanksfor the likes this is the most i've gotten
Why are you sad? Cause Messi left Barcelona?
I often go to the original videos, watch part or all, and upvote them.
Same
Me too except I got bored halfway through
CONGRABULATIONS
Check out the Mandelbrot set. This fractal will blow your mind.
I didn't expect to see the Collatz conjecture on this channel. I am pleasantly surprised. My dad and I have degrees in mathematics and we had some fun attempting to get a handle on it. It turns out to be very closely related to Turing machines and complexity theory, and it is some very tough stuff.
How coincidental. I saw this yesterday
Well the video just came out last week so it’s not that big of a coincidence
Found this video by searching “math reaction” and not really expecting anything to come up, but I’m not surprised either. MathTube is great.
There are much simpler math problems I can't solve.
An odd coincidence to this video, that I remember looking up after seeing this video the first time, was that I had gone to a Wikipedia article about "List of Unsolved Problems in Mathematics." I tried looking up this Math problem, and noticed that one of them was called "Thurston's 24 Questions" proposed in 1982 by American mathematician William Paul Thurston (born October 30th, 1946 - died August 21st, 2012), who was an early pioneer of low-dimensional topology and awarded the Fields Medal for his contributions to the study of 3-manifolds in 1982.
I call it a coincidence because at first, I had an uncanny sense of Deja-vu upon reading about Thurston's Questions but didn't know why. I later read through the comments section and learned that your name is Thurston.
I hope this random bit of trivia makes you laugh at or wonder about it.
OMG, this is nuts! All the numbers go back to 1; why drive yourself crazy. The loop 4, 3, 2, 1 is infinite. You can't multiply it, 1x1=1, accept the fact that it's an infinite loop and move on.
Hey luka two really cool videos you should react to is jack Churchill the man who fought in WWII with a sword by infographics and Pleistocene park by atlas pro which is about rewilding Russia someday with mammoths and maybe more reactions to animals in the U.S or animals, in general, may do well because the one you did a few months ago pulled in about 150k views so it may be a good idea.
Pi is completely solved and has been for millennia. We can get pi to whatever precision we want, and we can easily write calculatable expressions that are exactly equal to it.
I was never good in maths while I was in school but I excelled at reading and language. Flash Forward 25 years and after a traumatic brain injury I sometimes struggle with reading (and seizures, memory loss, fun stuff) but can do math like this in my head... To an extent at least. obviously to go into the really huge numbers, that requires a computer.
Sounds like Savant Syndrome (Edit: I have Savant Syndrome, and my memory is pretty good.)
Dang. All the math makes my brain hurt. I hate math. Who has the time to do all those calculations??
You can just ask your computer and/or calculator to do the calculations for you.
Luka, you've mentioned problems with the channel stagnating. Well what I always enjoy most form you are videos like this one and the space videos. Your interest in learning is very engaging and you aren't nearly as stupid as you seem to think you are. You should really stop saying that.
I agree. We love Thurston for his clear honest character.
I agree! my dad used to tell us kids "You become the way you think." So basically if you think you're stupid then for sure you will become stupid, if you think you're going to be poor, then you will be poor and so on. It got down to where he told us "If you think you will rich then you will become rich but," he says "I know an awful lot of rich people that are not happy so the best thing is to think you will be happy."
I hope this will be taken in the same way you are recommending he stop saying that. I believe you are correct, he continually strives to know and searches for answers to things he is unsure of even during his reaction videos. I seriously doubt stupid people ever do that.
@@Ed70Nova427 Thank you, Ed D. I hope Thurston reads your post. He is twenty years old. He is curious and engaging, He is certainly bright.
Someone is whipped. That be you 🤣🤣🤣 you stop the show because your girlfriend rings you up. Whipped 🤣🤣🤣
I believe the sound you were hearing at about 5:30 was the Soviet national anthem playing softly in the background.
If we’re looking for just one example? It could be possible to use the proof that it works to communicate with other civilizations outside of earth. Because if it’s something that does not change Regardless of what you use, you could in fact use it as a formula to communicate a sentence that someone/something would better understand as a mathematical Language.
“Get your bread bro” I like that
Math make brain hurt...
Anyway I wonder what the result is using Pi to a thousand places as seed number?
How do people have the time?
They make a computer do it.
It is not particularly difficult. Just a matter of how large of a value the computer can store
Going to remember Benfords law next time I do my taxes 😇
Messi just left Barcelona 😔😔
Was here for the stream, but watched the replay of the livestream. Now for the video itself. Scuffed, but fun!
You're not dumb. Dumb means not having the ability to talk. I believe stupid is the word you are looking for.
3x+1 is 3x+1
Simple answer to the time problem: Modern computers.
Who else is watching this again after also seeing it in the live stream, to help the algorithm?
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Your frustration with maths is hilarious to me.
Why. Time travel. It will lead to paradoxes that destroy the worlds.
"How do people have time for this?!"
Well, they don't spend so much time watching videos on the internet, for a start...
Yea, just like 99% of us viewers are doing at this moment.
Why don't they just use decimals along with regular numbers.
Because being even or odd is a property of the integers
You might find it easier to understand if you weren't live and were constantly looking at the chat ;-) this is the sort of thing that requires attention and if you didn't follow what he said at any one point because you just fazed out for a moment, which is understandable, you could always scroll back a bit in the video. It's kind of disappointing to see you watch this because it seems like you didn't really try, just wanted to get it over with so that the reaction was complete. There were some points in the original video that are kind of hard to grasp if you haven't done maths for a long time but most of it is really accessible if you give it a chance, pay attention and not go into it with the mindset of "I can't do maths, I'm too dumb for this anyway".
Funny story i actually have this tatted on my wrist, learned about it in high school and cant forget about it lol
11 minutes in and I had a headache.
It took me 10 minutes to get stuck in the loop when I picked 111
THIS IS SOO EASY, The times is actually x so what is three x plus 1 it’s 4X people 😤😤😤😤😤🤩🤩 and I’m only year 7!!!!!
Same as the first post, watches this yesterday. Not going to lie, this should be a educational ride. Remember the day of this is your brain on drugs? He is not on druga that I know of but we are about to hear the sizzle.
I tried it and 3 Was the number that didn't do the loop it instead looped like all the way back to 3 back to 1 Basically
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5 1
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what if you use negative numbers, wouldn't you get some more loops? Idk I'm also bad at math
It says it in the video, but the conjecture is for positive numbers
you humans make things so difficulty
Man those rain sound sleep videos aint got shit on this lol
My head is ready to explode 🤯
Saw this Vid yesterday, Didn't get a chance to watch it :(
Finally, he reacted to Veritasium!
Hey Lav Luka you should do a reaction video of the Challenger space shuttle explosion and the Pepcon Explosion there both related.
It’s actually an answer from this: (5x + 4) - (2x - 3)
(5x + 4) - (2x - 3) = 5x + 4 - 2x + 3 = 3x + 7
I think you meant (5x + 4) - (2x + 3)
Dude. When you gonna activate Windows?
Can someone please explain to me if I’m dumb for thinking this, but like what is the problem they tryna solve. It’s just an equation that always ends the same wtf does solving it mean 😂
They want to prove that every single number will go back to 1
I think adding a number helps with the odd or even
They use a computer .....................
I love numbers
Just did it with 9999 stuffs wild.
"Math is just impossible to learn" - Nah. Start by avoiding mainstream fluffernutter and going to actual maths.
from the stream
Maybe I’m stupid but...what would we gain from this being “solved”? Is it gonna give us drought resistant crops or a cancer cure? Maybe the key to a new propulsion system? What’s the big deal? What does “solving” this do for us?
Something else to teach in school I guess😂
@@DiorDexico lol I’m thankful for mathematicians because I know they have helped solve a lot of unknowns, but I can’t believe ppl have spent years and years looking at this. I would be so frustrated lol I still would love to know what we would gain by solving it, though. 🤔
Solving such things often advance some unexpected area. Sometimes they don't advance anything.
The real answer is that we won't know until we prove or disprove it.
Solutions to this type of pure mathematics problem are rarely so applicable in a straightforward manner. However, many engineering methods/ problem solutions are borne out of the answers to these sorts of hard problems either directly or indirectly. Even just attempting to solve problems like this could potentially lead to solutions to other unexpected problems.
If we’re looking for just one example? It could be possible to use the proof that it works to communicate with other civilizations outside of earth. Because if it’s something that does not change Regardless of what you use, you could in fact use it as a formula to communicate a sentence that someone/something would better understand as a mathematical Language.
The answer is "2"
It's integers
3×(+1
Science channels that you might like better is Smarter Everyday and Mark Rober. MR has the squirrel ninja warrior course 1 & 2, very entertaining.
My dad LOVES math and things he can solve anything. I just sent him the video. I will let you know what he thinks
You never let him know
this shold be titled reacting to comments while a vido plays since you ignore the video half the time
Nah, the Dumbest Boy is a different video on the Job Bois channel.
Please react to The Donner Party by Weird History.
I hate it
This is a great video, but whoever suggested this for your channel is not your friend, Or they're just very bad at reading the room
Thanks for the nap. 😄
Isn’t 3x+1 ; x=1/3 ?
That's the solution for 3x+1 = 2
Can you please react to the greatest American sports moments of the decade by chasemikks
If you want to solve the equation 3x + 1, we can find the value of x that makes the equation true.
To solve for x, we need to isolate the variable on one side of the equation.
Let's start by subtracting 1 from both sides of the equation:
3x + 1 - 1 = 0
This simplifies to:
3x = -1
Now, to isolate x, we divide both sides of the equation by 3:
(3x)/3 = (-1)/3
Simplifying further, we get:
x = -1/3
So the solution to the equation 3x + 1 = 0 is x = -1/3.👨🎓
the answer is 4
log log log
huge thumbs down. He wasn't paying attention to the video. He was too concerned with the live chat.
Hi
I don't understand why this is confusing? Maybe I'm missing something but based on the rules laid down you'll be getting even numbers frequently, and dividing them by 2. You'll go down more frequently than you go up.
Edit: As far as I can tell any odd number you put into 3x+1 is going to have an even number as a result. However, since you're dividing all even numbers by 2, you have to consider that every even number that's a factor of 4 will come out as another even number when divided by 2. That's half of all even numbers. As a result you'll have more division problems than multiplication/addition problems.
This is the intuition behind the probabilistic approach, however, it doesn't prove that all numbers will behave accordingly. In the vast unending quantity of numbers, "very likely to go down" does not make "sure to go down eventually".
@@Krashoan I think it can be proven, though I might not personally be able to do it. Odd numbers, by definition, are integers that are not divisible evenly by 2. Even numbers, by definition, are integers that are evenly divisible by 2. Evenly divisible means no decimals or remainders. Integers are whole numbers by definition. Fractions cannot be integers unless they become whole numbers when reduced to lowest terms.
Look at 3x as x + x + x. Anytime you add x, with itself you are doing the same as multiplying by 2. Since a number has to be an integer to be odd or even, then fractions & decimals that aren't whole numbers when reduced to lowest terms do not apply to this scenario. Any integer multiplied by 2 will produce an even number regardless of the integer. See earlier definition of even number & remember that division is the opposite of multiplication.
It's also true that if you add an odd number to an even number you'll get an odd number as the result. You're adding a number that's not divisible by 2 with a number that is divisible by 2.
In doing 3x, you're adding x to itself twice. The result of this will be an even number of x is an even number, and an odd number if x is an odd number. Adding 1 to that odd number will make it an even number.
In the rules laid out in the video we're always applying 3x+1 to odd numbers, but never to even numbers. We're also never dividing odd numbers by 2 but always dividing even numbers by 2. This means every time that the rules of the scenario require you to multiply then add 1 you'll get an even number than you'll have to divide by 2. Under these rules you will never multiply twice in a row, but there are times you'll divide multiple times in a row.
Any time your result is an even number divisible by 4 you will be dividing at least twice in a row. In that circumstance you'll divide by 2, then get another even number which the rules require you to divide by 2 again. You'll continue to divide by 2 until you get an odd number. It may take a while but you eventually will get in the loop described in the video 1-4-2-1.
@@Terrell070 figured I’d come back and reply here.
The problem lies in that when you go odd -> even and divide by 2 to get an odd you increase by (about) 3/2. When you go odd -> even and divide by 2 to get an even and divide by 2 again you decrease by (about) 3/4. Of course it is possible to divide more than twice after multiplying.
However this is as far as we get. We cannot predict the sequence of multiplications and divisions, and saying that, for example, “on average” the reductions outweigh the additions (which I’m fairly certain can be shown), is not sufficient to guarantee that there are no exceptions that go off to infinity. This method also doesn’t really address the looping issue.
Thurston says that he can't follow this. Perhaps he should watch the bloody video, and ignore whatever he's laughing at, and quit pausing!!!
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Stupid math hahaha
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Ok...so if it ever landed on or equaled 3, it would be multiplied because its odd... so I don't get the fascination with all numbers ending up to equal 1. However, I am not good at math eiether..so.
I'm lost as to what there is to solve. It seems pretty obvious that any number you can pick will eventually just fall back to the loop. So what? This is just a coincidental side effect of the number system we created. It's mathematical pareidolia.
The main problem here is that "It seems pretty obvious" is not sufficient to prove "It is true" that every number will fall into the loop. Checking a really large number of possibilities or establishing many types of numbers do is not sufficient to say that EVERY number will always fall into the loop.
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Looks like mainstream clickbait to me? "Simple Math" but it has programming logic in the form of an "if then else" else statement. Makes perfect sense why it's considered dumb to study it. Two fields mixed and then hyped up to make it look more interesting than it is to those who don't know math and programming.
19:49 - Is this guy serious? There should be a different amount of loops because the direction of magnitude adjustment of the 1 has been reversed. 3x+1 on the positive side would be the same pattern as 3x-1 . All of these ultra popular math videos seem to have major fallacies in them.
But then there's the question of why 3x - 1 has these obvious loops but 3x + 1 doesn't
@@gamerdio2503 3x+1 has double addition since 3 times x is x + x +x, and then you have +1, all plus, "x + x + x + 1". 3x -1, or x + x + x -1, is plus and minus. My whole point is that this is why one has obvious loops and the other doesn't, one has 2 directions of movement while the other only has one.
@@gamerdio2503 The loops occur when x is small enough that 3x is less than the one being subtracted. When there is no subtraction or division there is no loop because there is no change in direction because only have multiplication and subtraction and no division or subtraction ensures the numbers always stay moving in the same direction.
@@defftony That's not very rigorous, I would say. It provides a potentially intuitive way to think about it, but I don't think it's good enough to be an actual proof. Not that there's anything to prove, since we already know via example that 3x-1 has these loops
@@gamerdio2503 Troll logic is intuitive as well. All it takes is refusing to follow trains of thought and constantly rerouting the train as many times as it takes regardless of how poor the connection between thoughts is. The point from the beginning is that the original video is claiming something very intuitive is not.
Live stream was going great until you put on this math crap. Viewers left in droves. You sat there dazed and confused ignoring all pleas to stop. Delusional if you think anyone was interested. If you want to live stream, pay attention.
Your delusional for making this comment
The plan was to do a live reaction the post onto the channel, sometimes people will like the reactions sometimes people won’t but I wasn’t just going to stop when it was going into my channel after?