THE PATRIOT (2000) REACTION - First time watching!
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Marley, I love your reactions!
The American Revolution was officially from 1776-1783. The American Civil War was 1861-1865.
Actually, Benjamin "The Ghost" Martin in the film is based on the real-life Brigadier General Francis Marion, known in those days as "The Swamp Fox. "Butcher" Tavington in this film is based on the real-life Colonel Banastre "Butcher" Tarleton, who commanded a regiment of dragoons--mostly colonials who remained loyal to King George III. On May 29, 1780 Tarleton won the lop-sided Battle of The Waxhaws in northern South Carolina. Tarleton lost control of his men, who believed Tarleton had been killed, and they then murdered many of the surrendered Continentals. The British lost 5 killed; the colonials lost 113 killed. (The disparity in those numbers reflects the killing of prisoners.) As a result, Tarleton earned the name of "Butcher" among the colonists. Surrendering was referred to as "quarter." Many Continentals subsequently shot surrendering British soldiers and called such an act "Tarleton's Quarter" in revenge. Tarleton was eventually promoted to general officer and later WAS a member of Parliament. So, whatever shame may have accrued from his men killing surrendered soldiers certainly did not hold him back from advancement. It was indeed a bloody, terrible war. (I graduated college in South Carolina with a major in history and had the great opportunity to visit the battlefields and key locations of both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. Regards the Revolution, SC was surprisingly the scene of more engagements than any other colony. As the war dragged-on, and as the populace became more polarized over actual and rumored war crimes, the fighting became neighbor-against-neighbor and for all practical purposes, it was a civil war within the state.)
1775
April 19th 1775 when the 1st shots were fired at Lexington and Concord.
Shame did not hold him back from advancement becausethe British, to this day, deny that it happened. They are dogged about it. Afterall, they were just colonials. Brish soldiers' correspondence spoke of the colonists dismissively as "Bible thumpers".
@@TD-mg6cd You are certainly correct! Well said, sir! Some of the contemporary writings hold that Tarleton did not personally order the killing of the prisoners, but that many of his men went out of control for a time. Of course, there is a fine line of commission versus omission. He may not have ordered the killing, but the question remains as to whether he quickly and aggressively ordered the killing to cease. While there were some apologists for Tarleton, Charles Stedman, an aide-de-camp to Cornwallis, wrote regarding the battle at Waxhaws, that "the virtue of humanity was totally forgot." And Waxhaws was not the first time the discipline of Tarleton's unit was in question. Earlier he was admonished by higher command after the Battle of Moncks Corner.
Another, connected issue, is that Tarleton had not instilled sufficient discipline in his soldiers, such that they would not have killed prisoners. The commander of a unit is responsible for the discipline within that unit, the very bedrock of combat unit effectiveness. As an example an infantry commander in the U.S. Army quickly learns that he "is responsible for everything his unit does or fails to do." Period. Some would say this is not fair, but it is what it is. (I lived this concept for 26 years!) No finger-pointing at his predecessor in command or to anyone else. When I trained with the British army in Germany in 1978, those excellent commanders were held to the same standard. As an example, though much later, Japanese General Homma, commanding on Luzon in the Philippines in WWII, pleaded that he did not order the killing of American POWs, but it happened frequently enough that he was executed in the war crimes trials after the Japanese surrender.
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Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? What fates befell them for daring to put their names to that document?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died.
Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year, he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later, he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.
Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.
Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more.
Longwinded but well worth reading, especially on July 4th.
Have you ever stopped to think of what happened to the loyalists? They had their homes seized from them and despite American promises to recompense them this never happened.
Ever wondered why most of the native Americans and many blacks fought on the side of the British?
Franklin's son sided with the British
I was amused to see a U.K. reactor rooting for the Americans against the British.
This is not based on any specific story, but it does embody three historical truths. First, it is true that the fighting in the southern theater of the American Revolution was especially vicious, much more than in the northern theater. Second, Francis Marion, known as “The Swamp Fox,” was a highly effective guerilla leader who hid in the swamps of South Carolina (where the movie is set). He is obviously the model for Benjamin Martin, in a general way. Third, Martin’s statement just before the final battle, about having the militia fire just two shots and then withdraw was a real tactic. It was devised by Brigadier General Daniel Morgan, who led the Continental army to a huge victory at the Battle of Cowpens in South Carolina.
I recommend an American history movie with a similar vibe and spectacular cinematography: "The Last of the Mohicans" (1992). It is based on a famous, early American novel, and is set during the French and Indian War.
If you're still interested:
There were three main reasons why armies of this time period fought like that.
1. Command and control. Remember, there are no radios. Officers have to relay orders via shouted commands, flags, drums and other instruments. Troops had to be formed up so close together to actually see and hear their orders.
2. The inaccuracy of muskets. These weapons were only effective up to about 80 metres. They are also very unreliable, having 1 in 5 misfire rate even in ideal dry conditions. Such formations concentrated firepower and presented a literal wall of lead to the enemy. It also provided a workaround regarding the unreliability of the muskets and their slow rate of fire. If your musket didn't work it wouldn't matter since the other several hundred of the men in formation with you probably did. When the first line of men fired they usually stepped to the side or kneeled to allow the second line of men to fire. The third line of men were usually handed fired muskets to reload while they sent loaded muskets to the front ranks. This allowed for a constant volume of fire of fire. The slow rate of fire of muskets (usually 1 - 2 rounds in battlefield conditions) wouldn't be a problem.
3. Defense against cavalry. Scatteted infantry are easy targets for horsemen. By forming up into dense lines like that the infantry could fire concentrated volleys into charging cavalry or form squares. The all-round defensive formation allowed for fire in all directions and prevented actual charges from forming as horses aren't dumb and will not charge directly into a wall of bayonets and men (mostly). There were exceptions of course but the horses were often extremely aggressive and their riders near suicidal in their bravery and morale.
Love your reactions Marley! Cheers ❤️🙏🏻
America kicks ass all day❤😊
This is a movie and we won in reality. WE WON.
Unfortunately there are very few films on the American Revolution. Two I think you would enjoy are "The Devil's Disciple" a 1959 film adaptation of an 1897 play of George Bernard Shaw the deals with the Battle of Saratoga in upstate New York. It stars Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas anene.s colonials and Laurence Olivier as British General Burgoyne. The other film is "John Paul Jones" from 1959 with Robert Stack as the Scot who was one of the two leading American naval captains of the Revolutionary War. For a film on the War of 1812 that deals with the 1815 Battle of New Orleans watch "The Buccaneer" from 1958 with Yul Brynner portraying the French Creole pirate Jean Lafitte allied with American General Andrew Jackson portrayed by. Charlton Heston.
My favorite scene is when Mel shouts out “God save King George” and the music stops, customers slowly get up and turn and draw their weapons with murderous looks on their faces. Lol
Recommend watching the John Adams HBO miniseries; at least the first two episodes for Independence Day
The hiding in swamps. That was real. Francis Marion. He was an American General known as "the Swamp Fox".
Lol that part where he shoots the col. In the shoulder woth the pistol and its like its no thing always cracks me up lol ... A large caliber slow moving soft led ball like that would literally remove and smash all the bone causing a massive wound at that range . He would have been at least knocked down by that .
Mel Gibson's character is based on Francis Marion, known as the Swamp Fox.
Ahh ok thank you! ☺️
Yeah, he was also a monster and a cruel slave owner. Some of his slaves in fact ran off and fought against him on the side of the British. This movie is a textbook example of whitewashing history.
@@wiseguy01Yes he owned slaves, like many others back then including the founding fathers. However, we all understand Hollywood changes things..
@@Anonemuss00 not all the founding fathers were slaves owners. Several of them weren't and openly opposed slavery.
@@wiseguy01 Maybe I should have specified *like some of the founding fathers.... Thank you for having me break it down more.
Point still stands though. Nice pivot though 🙂
I am a former U.S. Army officer. The reason the soldiers lined up is that they used muskets, which had limited range and accuracy. Consequently, the only way to have any effect was to get close to the enemy. However, Americans lived on the frontier and had rifles for hunting. Rifles are more accurate and have greater range, so guerrilla tactics were possible. Benjamin Martin is loosely based on Francis Marion (one of my ancestors fought with him). Tavington is loosely based on Banastre Tarleton, who actually survived the war and was elected to Parliament. He was one of the primary MP’s who opposed efforts to end the slave trade (watch the movie, Amazing Grace).
I concur. Amazing Grace is a wonderful movie!
It's a propaganda myth that the American militias used guerilla warfare first. All major European powers had light infantry skirmishers in their armies, men who spread out and used cover and specifically targeted officers. The British were no different.
Marley it is known as a tomahawk not a hatchet! 😂 I did chuckle listening to you call it that, it was a Native American weapon. I often call this movie Braveheart in America because that's what it feels like. We are taught about American history pretty much as soon as our education starts at the age of five. The American Revolution is celebrated as a declaration of independence from England. They are seen as heroes of the revolution and Washington is a god among men. Other notable heroes are Thomas Jefferson and John Hancock and certain people are reviled especially any Loyalist such Benedict Arnold. It is funny that it's become a phrase in American speech to signify a traitor to the cause. Gracias para todos y nos vemos pronto, amiga.🎉Feliz Cuatro de Julio! 🎉❤
😂🤭 well at least I know what it is now haha!!! I’d like to watch more about this period as I feel like there is just so much history and I have never been taught it! Thanks for watching! ☺️✨
@@marleysmovies i cant really think of many good movies about this particilar war, i feel like hollywood focuses more on the American Civil War, which was in 1865 and fought to end slavery in America. There are a handful of movies about it but it might be a bit niche for a worldwide audience. Hollywood also likes Napolean era stuff. One movie that is really good set in early 1800s is Master and Commander of the Far Side of the World. Long title, but great movie, won some academy awards and is very historically accurate. Stars Russell Crowe. It would have won even more awards but this same year the Lord of the Rings Return of the King dropped and swept the awards season that year.
@@ConsiderFirstCnE I’ve always wanted to watch master and commander so will definitely have to watch that!
Col. William Tavington is based on Banastre "The Butcher" Tarleton.
Wonderful reaction. Glad I found your channel. Keep up the great work. ❤
WALES? My great-great-great-great (etc) grandfather (and his Irish bride) came from Wales to the American Colonies prior to the Revolutionary War portrayed in this film. They were indentured servants. She (Margaret) served George Washington for a period of time.
You certainly can read the declaration of Independence online. Be sure to get the complete Declaration. In America we typically study, or used to study, a short version. Now, the Education Department and many leftist state boards of education don't want students to learn this. It is a threaat to the powers that be, and a reason for our 2nd Amendment.
it's now if the UK and the US are attacked the one will always be at the others side. We might get back to disagreeing with each other kind of like two brothers or sisters but if you fight one you have to fight us both. God bless you
Marley; in the scene at the end with the whole family in the wagon, Charlotte is holding her and Benjamin's new baby. A new birth, symbolic of the birth of a new Country.
Great reaction, Marley! I believe one of the earlier commentors gave a good outline as to how the events in this movie line up with known historical events of the Revolutionary War or The War for Independence that is celebrated every July 4th here in the states. There are a few good films that center around the Civil War, including the movie 'Lincoln' starring Daniel Day-Lewis or 'Glory', to name a couple. I look forward to seeing more of your reactions. 🙂
We Were Soldiers is pretty good Mel Gibson Vietnam war movie.
Another great reaction beautiful ✌️
Thanks for watching!!! ☺️✨
The British fought the Americans again in the war of 1812. .The British were Boarding American Ships and taking the ships men and were taxing American Ships cargo
A good movie is a musical called ""1776"" it's about the signing of he Declaration of Independence
Our ancestors paid an enormous price for our freedom. Tomorrow we will celebrate them on the Fourth of July. I just everyone here understood that and fought to keep our freedoms intact.
The story is fictional but loosely based on Francis Marion, otherwise known as the Swamp Fox.
Glad you reacted to this. A very good action film. If you want a great accurate portrayal of the political happenings around the American Revolution, I recommend "John Adams" a great 7 part miniseries on the founding of the USA, from the paerspective on John Adams. Paul Giamatti is fantastic as him. Laura Linney plays Abigail Adams and David Morse plays George Washington. Also, the late Sir Tom Wilkinson, who plays General Lord Cornwallis also is in John Adams. He plays Ben Franklin.😊. Tom Hanks co Produces. It is a great series with very few inaccuracies. Released by HBO in 2008. Also, if you want to see another great Roland Emmerich film, it is fiction, but great for the 4th of July, Independance Day. It came out in 1996. Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum and Bill Pullman. A great sci fi film. Great review of a still very good film.
I have a question. With you being British, in your schools did they teach you about King George III or Lord Cornwallis? Im a Virginian and have been to the Yorktown Battlefield many times. You should go sometime in your life. It is really a amazing experience on July 4th. They have parades, people dressed in Colonial attire, reenactments, fireworks, food. Just a really great experience, and to see where the United States won its Independence. Great reaction mum. Sending positivity and blessings
Nope we did not get taught about them at all in school. University they might if they study history but school curriculum does not include it.
I would love to go there it sounds so interesting and I bet it’s a great experience!!
Thank you 😊
@@marleysmovies thank you for the response. When I was in HS we learned American history and then World History. I find it shocking that the British government doesn't teach things about King George the 3rd or Lord Corwallis, considering they are British. Do you have to go to Oxford or Cambridge to learn about that. What about Boudicca, warrior princess Queen of the Iceni tribe that fought Rome? A part of my family is from Cornwall. So as a American now I'm fascinated by what is taught. Thanks mum. Just fascinated. Me personally I will always support England. Mother country. Love from the colonies ❤
@@davidward9737 no problem ☺️ no you don’t have to go to Oxford or Cambridge - any British university that teaches history as a degree. So from my own experience (keep in mind Wales, England, Scotland and Ireland have their own curriculum) primary school (age 4 -11 ) is mostly Roman era, the Vikings, the Tudors (Henry VIII and Elizabeth I) , great fire of London, the plague and welsh history. In high school (11-13) we have compulsory history lessons where we learnt about the Victorian Industrial Revolution, womens vote and WW1 and WW2. Then age 14 to 16 we do our chosen subjects for GCSE so if you don’t pick history then you don’t learn anything else. Then your chosen subjects will move you along to A levels (age 16-18) again you choose what subjects you want to study. I didn’t study history I chose other subjects but I wish I had now as I am enjoying learning more about historical events!
I hope that gives you more insight - as I said it’s not necessarily the same for every area of the UK and it might have changed since I was at school but that was my experience ☺️
@@marleysmovies in no way and I'm not trying to be rude. "If we dont ask questions we will be ignorant to the questions we don't ask". I know the United Kingdom consists of all the countries, Scotland, Ireland and England. A part of my family is from Cornwall. Is that considered a part of England? Hey I'm a American I'm a mutt. I have family from all over. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain to me. I really do find it fascinating. I learned about the European plague. Also in the US there is a nursery rhyme. London Bridge is falling down London Bridge is falling down my fair lady. I think it it is about the black death. Bubonic Plaque. In the United States there is only 13 stipes on our flag and it is the original 13 British colonies. Also the Star Spangled Banner is a British pub song. Called to "Anacreon to heaven" Francis Scott Key took that song added words and we stole it from the British. Thanks mum. I hope I didnt take up to much of your time. I appreciate the enlightenment. God save the King 😉
Sorry if I sound condescending. You're a Brit so I doubt this is common history knowledge. First, it was the revolutionary war, not the civil war. Mel Gibson's character was based, loosely, but still, on Francis Marion en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Marion. Draco Malfoy's Dad was based on Bannister Tarleton en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banastre_Tarleton Have you seen Braveheart? Mel Gibson' Scottish Patriot movie, except better.
Great reaction, no its not super accurate historically but it does depict some of the sentiments accurately, like Freedom, Loss and Hardship. Mel Gibson is really quite good as a movie maker, Some great recommendations are ; Appocalypto, Braveheart, Leathal Weapon, Payback, Edge of Darkness, and Passion of the Christ.
Thank you! Il add them to my list! 👍🏻
@@marleysmovies no problemo, Appocalypto is perhaps the most reaction-y of the list and a good place to start i would say. toodles.
I definitely think that Lethal Weapon is a great 4 movie series. A great Buddy cop series. Mel Gibson and Danny Glover lead a great cast. Action packed and very funny too. Released between 1987-1998. Also, another great Movie with Mel Gibson is Ransom. A great suspense film from 1996. He stars with Rene Russo and Gary Sinise. He also played the original Mad Max, in that movie series from 1979- the mid 1980s.
Great movie reaction, sorry too be so hard on the British during that time. Now allies. Our Declaration is the greatest founding document written, our celebration is the 4th of July this week.
Oooh ok!!! I knew that 4th July was celebrated in the US but was never fully sure why - now I know!! 👍🏻
Tragically that little girl "Susan" passed away from an accidental drug overdose in reallife.
That’s sad her life went that way 😞
Tomahawk for Indian fighting. I love my British cousins anyway ;-)
Hey nice reaction! Can you please react to the movie Edmond (2005)? Its classic and underrated. Subscribed!
Il add it to my list! Thank you 😊 ✨
lol don’t worry, US schools barely teach American history as well 😂
Marley, a very good, cute, enjoyable, entertaining and highly accurate cartoon on the American Revolution and other historical events is Oversimplified: The American Revolution. Please consider doing a reaction to this show.
This is a grossly anti-British film that is so obnoxious it makes American slave-owners out to be equal opportunity employers.
THE PATRIOT is great entertainment but please, PLEASE don't take it as history. I both loved and hated the movie. I loved the fact that in some sense it brought out some of the struggles and division among Americans. I absolutely hated, HATED, HATED the portrayal of the British as 18th century Nazis.
First of all no British officer would shoot a helpless boy in the back. To do so would make them a parriah among the British upper and lower class. They would never, ever, NEVER get a seat in Parliament and no one would speak to them. Multiply that reaction times 10 if any officer ordered a whole town into a church then burn it down. The Nazis did that in France. Churches were burned by the British but they weren't packed with people. The reason for this was that many church leaders led the rebellion.
Shooting officers was standard operating procedure for the rebels. British officers headed for the colonies during the war wrote out their last will and testament.
The majority of Americans were not rebels. Approximately 1/3 favored independence, 1/3 sided with the Crown, and 1/3 didn't give a crap.
In the southern colonies the war really got ugly, but not the way it was shown in the movie. The first Civil War was between loyalist and rebels in the Southern Colonies. There were lynchings, tar & feathering, house burnings, etc on both sides of the war.
As for the battles & leaders:
Benjamin Martin loosely and I mean LOOSELY represents Francis Marion, aka The Swamp Fox. The real Francis Marion owned slaves.
Col. Tavington is loosely and I mean LOOSELY, based on Banastre Tarleton. Tarleton was defeated at Cowpens which is shown in the movie; however, General Cornwallis was not present at that battle and neither was Francis Marion. The very real and brilliant Gen. Daniel Morgan designed the battle plans for the Americans not the Benjamin Martin character. Tarleton went on to serve in Parliament after the war.
Gen. Cornwallis actually won the Battle of Guilford Court House, which is about 20 minutes from where I live, but that battle led to his final defeat at Yorktown. He lost 25% of his strength and was so weakened that he had to withdraw first to Wilmington, NC then to Yorktown. I believe his wife died on his return trip to the colonies in 1779.
The slaves were offered their freedom by both the Americans and the British. Most slaves joined the British because they didn't think their masters would follow through with the agreement and they were right. Most slaves that fought with the Americans were returned to their plantations and even some that fought for the British didn't get their freedom.
Sorry for my rambling on but this movie infuriated me to no end. I don't require purity in historical movies and I know directors and script writers have to take some license to make historical events manageable, but THE PATRIOT goes to the extreme of fantasy land.😮
Thank you! That’s so interesting! So it is basically historical fiction then! I am interested to see how this period has been portrayed more recently but I can’t think of any movies in recent years that has shown it. Thanks for watching! ☺️✨
@@marleysmovies its called the American Revolution not the civil war just heard you call it that a few times, America also had a civil war about a hundred years later fought to end slavery in the South. Cheers.
@@ConsiderFirstCnE ahh ok- like I say in my video it’s not something I’ve ever learnt about so I didn’t realise! Thank you 😊
That’s what makes Tavington a believable villian, he doesn’t care about being a social pariah, he has his sights set in the west where he can continue to administer “frontier justice”.
@@ConsiderFirstCnE In the Southern Colonies it was as close to a civil war as you can get. Loyalists fought Patriots and horrible acts were committed by both sides.
This movie is the worst representation of historical truth. I actually hate it. There are a few touching moments but overall it’s pretty horrendous.
It's not a documentary. It's a work of fiction, sheesh. Quit whining. It's entertainment.
Then it should be entertaining and it’s not even that.
There are plenty of great historical fiction movies that are more accurate and still entertaining. The Patriot…sucked!
Please tell me what was so odious about this movie? How did it so barbarically butcher the historical facts as to be repulsive?
Also please recommend a more historically accurate movie.
@davidwoolbright3675 odd considering how wildly popular it is. Even just looking at the reactions. But, sure... one person sure has it down. You take it too seriously, and it prevents you from enjoying it. That's on you. Unfortunate to be incapable of finding enjoyment in life.