Benchmark and Review of the Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 GRE
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2024
- Another GPU, another Review! This time with the AMD 7900 GRE Sapphire Nitro +
Check out the blog post here: rocm.blogs.amd.com/artificial...
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its always a great morning when Wendell ends up on my feed!
That RGB header is actually to allow control of the GPU RGB FROM the motherboard or other RGB controller, not vice versa. I learned this the hard way. I have two Sapphire Nitro cards, and the first one I bought was because I thought it was the reverse, and my motherboard at the time did not have RGB. Imagine my annoyance.
Best GPU feature, imo.
Yes. The instructions included w/ the card are not clear (or rather, clearly incorrect).
TBF, I *think* it can function 'as written' if your mobo's ARGB can be 'reverse powered' through the header while kept 'off'.
That's actually what I want! I'll get one for sure now. Thanks for this info!😁
I think that is a cool feature, but sapphire could communicate it more explicitly.
So does that mean I will need two argb cables? One for the fan hub and one for the gpu?
This thing is slight faster than a 6950 XT in raster, much faster in RT, and has AI cores for half the price! I would say this is really good.
It's not faster in raster than 6950 XT tho. Neither "much faster", if at all, in RT either
That's the card I wanted to get but was out of stock. Ended up getting Powercolor fighter version instead.
On the plus-side, the fighter only just managed to fit in my NXZT H440 and I doubt many, if any other 7900gre would fit. Beast of a card for the price.
I really like that extra four pin to control a case fan, sounds like a super handy feature
thanks for the review Wendell, been thinking upgrading from rx 5600xt to this card
I recently phased out our youngest child's 5700xt for a 7700xt (£370) and I was looking at the 7800xt to replace my 6750XT but landed on the RX 7900 GRE at £520.
The 5700xt sold for £170 and the 6750xt sold for £300 so respectively we were out £200 for the 7700xt and £220 for the GRE. No complaints. I did have to upgrade cooling for both so savings are relative when cooling upgrades came to £200 for both rigs total including a psu upgrade for padding. Not enough money was recouped on the old cooling systems and psu to qualify them in savings.
We game on these rigs. Just game. No dlss/rt (that mostly is not even supported in most of our games) for us. Also we weren't interested in over paying for horrific price for performance.
Cheers for this. I need to figure out how much of the Pure I will need to gut to get that lame plastic red logo off so the build is just white. Not white with a pimple of a choice on a white card.
Listening to Wendell chat to us is the best! I love everything this guy talks about. I could listen to Wendell reading instruction manuals!
"The entire Internet runs open source, get with the program" well said Wendell
The only thing that TriXX Boost does is create custom resolutions and make them visible to games. You just set that custom resolution in the game, and either your monitor or GPU scales the output up to the native resolution. It's literally just running at a lower resolution, with more options for what that lower resolution is.
Any game which hard-codes a specific list of resolutions and filters them by capability, rather than querying the system for supported resolutions, will not work, unless you can manually force the resolution in question.
The real benefit comes with using RSR in combination with TriXX Boost. If you enable RSR, that will scale the game's output resolution instead of standard GPU scaling (which is just Lanczos on AMD) or the monitor. TriXX Boost just gives you more granularity in choosing the render resolution.
Using built-in FSR will provide better quality in pretty much all cases.
How do you get TriXX boost? I have a 7900xtx and don't really use any frame gen usually. But occasionally theres some games I'd like to use it for but occasionally I won't have the option to bump the resolution down to like 2540x1420 or whatever the one right below 1440p is. If I change it to 1080p it messed with all my open windows and everything.
I had read that AMD re-enabled access to the OverDrive API on Navi 3x, in Linux. Any chance we might get an OCing-in-Linux guide?
These GREs seem like a good 'budget option' for indie AI 'stuff', afterall.
I really wanted the Red Devil but ended up with the Asus 7900XTX OC edition. The Saphire Nitro+ also caught my eye.
Aww man, you said the ports on the back were different, and for about 3 seconds i was excited about finally have a 4dp consumer card.
Could you PLEASE do a small video on OVERCLOCKING THIS CARD??? This is the card I have been eye'ing up and I REALLY want to know how well it does in the OC side of things.. I've seen only 1 other video OC'ing the GRE and it was the Hellhound card that was sent to all the reviewers.. which is the one I DO NOT want lol .....
and with the AWESOME THINGS I'm guessing NO ONE KNEW ABOUT (except people that already bought it) like the FAN and RGB headers, the TriXX software, and even DUAL HDMI you REALLY SOLD ME ON THIS BEAUTY!!!! I just don't know if I should wait for the 8000 series to come out... I don't THINK this would be considered their 'high-end' card (maybe they call it their TOP 'mid-range' card 🤷♂) and I don't know if they will make this into a Monolithic die 8700 GRE .... OR will they keep it just like it is along with the 7900 XT & XTX (there will NOT be new versions of these cards from what I understand) - Sooooo I just want to know if it REALLY IS this amazing 'all around' card for only 6 bills like I think it is...
So do you think you might be able to do a short video on overclocking this card??? MAYBE you could compare the overclocking to the other GRE's you have 🤷♂ (and yes, I TOTALLY understand the silicon lottery and your results may not be anything like mine would be... I just want to get an idea of what to expect.... because the Hellhoud I saw overclocked REALLY IMPROVED RAY TRACING by a DECENT BIT, competing with 4070 Ti in Cyberpunk...
okay I'll shhhhhhhh for now :)
THANKS WENDELL!!! :D
Gonna be honest. All Sapphire Nitro cards have plenty of thermal headroom and power delivery for over locking. Silicon lottery is just a lottery. No review can tell you how your particular card will OC.
@@nottsoserious The Asus $600 model and the Powercolor Hellhound have had 'better' results for OCing and cooling in reviews.
The Nitro+'s cooler is very beefy but, can lose to the Hellhound and Asus; I'm considering re-TIMing and putting copper shims on the VRAM. (on my 7900GRE Nitro+)
This model is $50 more, and it makes little sense as that puts you into RTX 4070 Super territory, which is more efficient at about 60W less power use, has better frame gen and RTX support, and almost the same raster performance. The extra 4GB frame butter on the GRE is nice, but you get that on all the $550 parts, like Sapphire's own Pulse model, which seems to overclock just as well.
Overclocking this GPU involves turning up the power target, UNDERVOLTING the cores, and turning up the max boost and testing to see if it holds a higher boost speed. Kitguru got the Pulse to overclock higher than the Nitro model, both well above 2.6Ghz, the Pulse pretty much at 2.7. The $50 cheaper Sapphire model overclocked better than it's fancy $50 more RGB big brother. Overclocking this GPU seems to generate about ~9% improvement in Raster.
Good review. I'm personally interested in 7900 GRE model from Powercolor. Still a little hesitant because I also use Blender for rendering as a hobby and there the Nvidia cards are way ahead thanks to Optix. But Nvidia cards have become so expensive and have only sad 12GB of VRAM for a similar price... And since I use Pop!_OS now, I probably should go with AMD for the open source drivers.
Why Powercolor instead of Sapphire?
@@deafno Honestly it's a personal thing. Sapphire is a Chinese brand (They're based in Hong Kong) and Powercolor is Taiwan/California(US).
@@Wurstbrot03 Sapphire nitro+ is the best brand
Add 10%-15% on top off that with the VRAM OC.
Hey,very nice channel !
Do you know that acer makes now amd radeon cards ? I think it would be really interesting to see a video of the acer predator bifrost radeon cards. I am very curious of the quality of this gpus. I cant find a single review of this brandnew cards. A new aib partner could be interesting for many people,greetings.
I just picked up the 7900GRE Steel Legend
Sapphire has great quality cards! (Still have my ATI Radeon X1950 XTX from them.)
Great part is that cheaper Pulse has good quality too.
Can you retest it trying to get your memory speed as high as possible? As that's what sets it apart from the 7800 XT, now that they unlocked memory overclocking on it of course.
sapphire did it again POGGERS
i really would like something with 3 fans that dont pass the 300mm lenght size, tuf and eagle models have done that but not something from top tier amd oems.
Ok here is a technical question that ive spent some time searching for an answer to.
"How position sensitive is the nitro+ vapor chamber??"
Say in a gpu vertical mount ?
Specifically speaking , standing vertical IO up in many of thermaltakes 90° rotated MB cases ..
The nitro+ is mu first choice for a card , but the pulse may be less problematic.
Is there a way to control fan speed in Ubuntu with 7900 gre reference? I'm using LACT but it is mostly about power cap.
I wish more AIBs add a case fan header like at 1:40.
I DIY'd a Y-splitter to send PWM signal to my SATA powered case fan controller so that the case fans ramp up when it truly matters; when I'm gaming!
I love what my PowerColor 7900 XT can do. But, I kinda wish I could have gotten one in from Sapphire. Their Nitro+ range is beastly.
Please, can you add benchmark for "open sourced" LLMs. How many token/seconds.
One can only dream😅
AMD: for the sensible gamer
NVIDIA: for people who just like throwing money at the name
I have this card but the 7900xtx version, one of the best looking cards and the absolute best built card iv ever had. I guess they cheaped out on either pads or design of the cooler on the gre because my hot spot never goes over 65-70c @ 50% fan speed.
The Nitro+ 7900 XT and 7900 XTX are 3.5 slot cards vs 3 slot for the GRE , are 10 ish mm thicker and have a vapor chamber + heatpipes vs just heatpipes on the GRE.
@retrosimon9843 true, but I just assumed that would be fine because it draws less power than the xtx
My R9 290 overheated and my minetest map got corrupted! 😢 I just purchased an RX 590 Tthough. I'll put the 290 back in my old Window$ machine. I remember thinking the 290 was really expensive and now GPUs are way more expensive.
You should do some videos about Llama 2. Or maybe Llama 3? 😉🤔
Well can you please recommend me should i buy Sapphire Pure or Asrock Steel Legend Rc 7900 Gre
pulse
How will RDNA 4 be affected by the 7900 GRE/7800XT
The Nitro + GRE is $50 more, and that kind of kills most of the reason to buy a GRE. In two other test I've seen the Pulse version overclocked better or same as the Nitro, one of those test was by kitguru, where they managed to get both cards well over 2.6Ghz, the Pulse version doing JUST under 2.7Ghz.
I'm trying to decide between a GRE and a 4070 Super, so paying $50 more for RGB and a fan header makes little sense.
While this doesn't apply to the NITRO+ version of this card, the PULSE version of the GRE is longer than the XTX. The XTX is 310mm long while the GRE is 320mm long, which is the same length as the NITRO+ version and makes it also longer than the PULSE 7900 XT, which is 313mm.
7800XT Nitro+ and 7900GRE Nitro+ share PCB, cooler, etc. (Other GREs appear to share PCB, etc. w/ 7800XTs, too)
The Navi31 in the GRE is a mobile-derived part, and is pin/package-compatible with Navi32 (7800). The first appearance of the 'small package' Navi31 (navi32 form factors/pkg) was the 7900M in one of Alienware's laptops.
@@LRK-GT Yes, but that still doesn't clarify why it is longer, though.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino It's 'in there' 😁
The 7900 GRE's Navi31 is in the 7800s Navi32 "package". So, GRE PCBs are all based off 7800XT cards, not 7900XT/XTX.
7900XT/XTX 'came out first'
While, the 7900GREs are built upon *later-revision* (overTGP) 7800 PCBs.
It's 'interesting' but, largely "academic".
If I were to guess, it has to do with the 7800s being a 'high volume sales' part, having revisions/features to make it 'more attractive'. (Bigger=better? Lol)
9:18 - It's probably not the total amount of VRAM, it's the bandwidth. You'll generally see a drop in performance due to total amount of VRAM when enabling high(est)-res textures, regardless of screen resolution. When you see a big drop in performance due to increased _screen_ resolution, it's generally due to memory bandwidth.
Rendering a game at 4k doesn't actually need a lot more VRAM (the total amount of VRAM depends mainly on the size and amount of models and textures loaded, which, if you max out the settings, is going to be nearly identical at 1080 or 4k). But running at 4k _does_ require moving 4x more data to composite each frame, so bandwidth becomes a big issue.
I have the issue that Sapphire is making it difficult for me to get replacement fans for my 7900XT at the moment.
Sure, I bought the card second hand, but it seems to be difficult to get a fan even though I am willing to pay for it.
Actually, (assuming it works like on my 7800XT) the RGB header allows you to control the GPU light bar and logo from an external controller. You can have ESP32 controlled GPU lightning for ultimate gaming performance.
IIRC, the header on the card *by default*, is a 'ARGB, powered output'.
If you disabled the lighting on the card, then hook it to a driver+ARGB controller, I *would* expect it to function as you've said.
I have had 4090, a couple of 7900xtx and now settled for a cheap 6900xt sapphire plus, I also had two 6950xt but the 6900xt with the 3 power plugs seems to be faster than the 2x8 pinns 6950xt(with ram upped to max). I only play at 1080p at low and did not need anythign else but the rdna2 card, dont think the 7800xt or 7900gre is worth it over a cheap rdna2 card.
Is there 7900gre sapphire nitro+ with two fans instead of ?
Can you please try ZLUDA
I personally don't like using FSR at 1440p (on a 6700 XT). The reduction in image quality - and more importantly introduction of upscaling artifacts - is very noticeable. Maybe FSR 3.1 will be a different story, but right now it's either XeSS or dropping quality settings for me.
I vote Sapphire drop HDMI completely, put a dongle-adapter in the box and a red leaflet regarding the availability of legacy ports on their cards.
I use display port only for years now. Im not a big fan of HDMI.
My AMD software resets fan changes warning that it did it. But offering no reason except stating it is an error.
Yeah Apple left all Mac Pro 2019 owners in the lurch as they haven’t released any 7000 series GPU drivers. As far as uefi bios, macOS isn’t very picky when it comes to not-thunderbolt.
Only bios that screw with macOS are modified for mining, oc bios are fine.
best bang for buck card esp if u want to game on Linux SteamOS ChimeraOS etc
level1linux video coming soon?
Live tab, did one Monday
But the memory clocks....😢 No oc on ram ?!
Thought it would score higher... I have a ASRock 6950XT OCF on water OC with MPT and I get 69k in FS and 25k in TS and 12k in PortRoy. Just ran SOTR bench same setting as video- 109fps avg. @4k.... core steady at 2843-2847mhz. Best tweak card I've owned.
Out-of-box v. Out-of-Box (in Rasterization-only), the 7900GRE is a nearly a 'stand-in' for the 6950XT.
W/ AMD 'unlocking' some higher OC limits on the GRE (and 2499-2501Mhz vRAM set), the GRE easily bests the *worst-OCing* 6900XTs and 6950XTs.
The 6950XT has less RT performance, is less efficient *but* Higher Power limits and OC-ability.
(Sadly, no amount of OCing will compensate for the generational improvements in RT between RDNA2 and RDNA3)
Still, the 6950XT is a 'legit' "beefy card". -and, probably not worth upgrading away from, for some time.
Are your system specs. correct...96gbs of DDR5...WOW!
Hdmi can go to a special place.
While we got amd making everything they do basically open source. ❤️ Go team red
I remember I bought an Nvidia GPU in 2010. I don't think I'll ever buy an Nvidia card again LOL. Suck it Jensunggg wang!
I run this card on x399 2950x and it’s not great fps on linux for helldivers 2
3 slot could be a problem if Nvme has a large heatsink. Time to measure that new motherboard.
it isnt tho, on my gigabyte elite ax b650 the sapphire PURE sits on top of 2 heatsinked nvmes
came here for the overclock, no overclock was shown
Funny how AMD's reusing their numbering system for their GPU's from 12 years ago...not confusing at all!
3 x power jacks. Not for this little brown duck.
Nobody sells this officially in my country
the 7900gre should had been the 7800xt from the start, as well as pricing.
Performance is handcuffed by the lower bus speed of 256...
This cooler is actually not as good as the Hellhound in the vast majority of tests I've seen. Not to say this is a bad cooler (in fact it is excellent). But the physical size would suggest otherwise. I have the 7800XT Nitro (same cooler) and the biggest appeal is how beefy and industrial it makes your build look. These days the price has come down a lot too so it's imo the "cheapest" way to get that super high end 'look' to your PC. If you care about having a nice looking build. Nvidia cards in this price class have just puny PCB's and coolers in comparison.
7900 gre and 7700 xt is for people like me who play low resolution counterstrike, where the memory bandwidth doesn;t matter so much.
I look forward to buying them at a steep discount in a couple years
what ? this has identical raster FPS in most games with 4080 cards, especially now that the memory bandwith was fixed with the latest driver. 525$ is a hell of a price.
The problem with the GRE is it's about to be replaced by RDNA4 which will offer more or the same performance for less, with even better RT performance. Everyone is so laser focused on the fact they finally have a half decent value card after 4 years of shit value they're oblivious to the fact it's about to be replaced just months after launch. (Read: 3090ti and 3080ti)
AMD _HAS_ to unload them for cheap because it's about to become worth much less this fall. If you buy "refresh" models you buy them when the next generation comes out and they offer the best value. Buying them now is a thinly veiled disguise to get rid of stock before it's value drops.
Dlss + 3060ti and I play everything at 4k.
I'm happy. 500$ GPU? No thanks
If it weren't for the weak ray tracing this would be my card...
Cisco is not open source ;)
Weak raytracing? Not the experience ive had using the card
@@TheWoWBane look at the cyberpunk results. It's a game that actually leverages Ray Tracing with stunning results on my 3080 ti
This is your 5 year card for sure
FUCK HDMI! Display port or usb-c or nothing.
I have an RX 7900 GRE 16GB GDDR6, and it's a pile of crap. Drivers constantly crash in windows 11 requiring a hard reset. AMD blames M$, M$ blames AMD. There won't be a solution.
I don't know if by hard reset you mean full drivers reinstall, but if it is your case I suggest you to try this, even more if you have Epic Games Launcher installed.
it took me weeks of digging through forums to find this, i think it was on AMD community support by a guy named Birkulex, a lot of people with various AMD GPUs reported that it worked for them, and it did for me with both an RX580 and an RX6600.
In windows explorer try going to "%localappdata%\EpicGamesLauncher\Saved" and "%localappdata%\EpicGames\Saved" and rename/delete the folder named "logs" (in the forum thread people mentioned having that folder even without ever installing EGL), now AMD drivers and radeon software should go back to working properly.
Not first!
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Booty traps! (the goonies).
Congrats
I’m so frustrated on AMD’s behalf that they sold out the high-end Radeon brand so cheap this generation. If you just go by the hundreds digit on Radeon versus the tens digit on Nvidia, you’d think that Nvidia were a full seven SKUs ahead in the states. Nvidia is able to command a premium over the 7900 GRE for:
RTX 4070
RTXD 4070 Super
RTX 4070 Ti
RTX 4070 Ti Super
RTX 4080
RTX 4080 Super
RTX 4090 (not counting the 4090D in China since where one is available you do not expect to find the other).
Now what is AMD going to do when they have a high-end card again? Charge double or more for a card with the same hundreds digit? Even Nvidia couldn’t get away with moving the 80 class from “$699” to $1200 in one generation. Radeon? Forget about it.
Dude you do know AMD has way less mindshare then Nvidia. And people/youtubers/media recommend Nvidia to a point that AMD would have to be 15+% better overall in the same price segment to beat out the Nvidia mindshare machine.