That's what I was going to say. Steel tends to never be used as a conductor. Copper is usually the first choice, with aluminum a second choice. And copper coax is frequently tinned to protect from corrosion if it's outdoor rated. Interior rated coax is usually not coated. Crappy coax is copper coated steel for the central conductor to provide stiffness. However, the steel is a support, not really the conductor as the electrons flow on the exterior. Power lines are very similar. They have a steel internal wire for strength, and braided aluminum on the exterior to do the conducting.
The military version of RG-214 coax cable was double-shielded with silver (Ag) plating on both the shield and the centre conductor. I had access to about 500m of the stuff at one point, but that came and went. Modern RG6 cables (RG6 and RG6-Q) are indeed copper-over-steel for the center conductor, and typically aluminum for the shield braid and foil.
The coax cable we used at my last job to run cable runs to GPS antenna used a aluminum foil wrap around the plastic insulation, and am aluminum braid for grounded shielding.
Hi J, the shielding on coax cable is tin-plated copper. As you said the core is copper-clad steel. I was in the scrap business for 40 years and I know coax is not worth the processing, better to sell it to China as is. I wish I had known of you when I in the business. Good luck
I remember payouts of $0.40lb then it dropped to $0.10 then they wouldn't even take spools without a trade license. Word to the wise for anyone looking at picking up any N.O.S. coax.
Hey Jason: Usually the coating is tin plating. Only in connectors would you see silver. Not sure how you can make anything processing that crap. On the job, we just toss any copper clad steel wire and cable. Some of the heavy, low loss coax has silver plating on the copper, but is really expensive and not often used. It isnt often tossed into the scrap bin. Good luck!
Excellent video! Have you seen Robert Murray Smith’s video on using milk whey to extract gold from a slurry? Fascinating stuff. A non toxic solution using farm waste from making milk. I’m curious if it could be applied to your process in some way?
No matter what, they will need to be putting the metals in solution to clean that mess up. Getting the majority clean is fine and 100% doesn’t really matter with coated steel. I also agree with the others that it seems to be aluminum. Sample in the mini kiln and set the temp. Tin will melt well before the aluminum.
I worked for a contracting company for Charter Communications and threw a 7 yard dumpster of RG-6 and RG-11 cables, fittings, and splitters away every single week for 7 years. I always wondered there had to of been a way to recycle the metals from the cabels but thought that the sticky inside insulation wouldakr it to hard.
I work in the scrap industry for last 20 years and to properly separate there are a few methods, i have worked around ones that use air and screen's to seperate the plastics and paper with reverse polarity mag drums(commonly used in non ferrous separation) which if set right with gates and how much current you toss at them will throw alumnium product off and different size screens for separation also. Theres quite a bit of tech that requires large investment if your wanting to get into this industry, this is also not including knife mills/choppers also. But in the seperation there are many ways to skin a cat here, I'm sure you could use a drum and float off the plastics, down side is if their dense and no air pockets which is common for insulated wire may not float worth a damn with out getting creative
The good coax is made with silver coated copper wire as thin as a baby hair. It's mostly used for high power and military. The coax all so uses teflon to insulate the center wire and you have to get it real hot to get rid of. And yes that silver looking stuff is valuable to.
iirc, the fine wispy stuff is fiber(glass?) wrapping for strength, and the silver metal is aluminum for rf-shielding. All the value is likely in the copper.
Under the outer braided conductor is aluminum foil. The braided outer conductor is tin plated copper, and the solid wire inner conductor isn't always copper plated steel. On higher grade coax, it's solid copper.
I used to strip coax when I started scrapping to get the copper shielding and the inner copper core if it wasn’t magnetic. Now I check with a magnet and throw it in ferrous shred if it’s magnetic or low grade wire if it’s a copper core.
@@dr.a006buyers will play down any tin plated copper despite the fact tin is worth even more than copper, and tin plated copper is perfect feedstock for the making of tin containing bronze alloys.
I strip coax all the time, sometimes it's stainless steel and others are nickel plated copper. I think the most of what you have is stainless steel. The ones with nickel usually have a plastic covered copper line running down the middle of it which I sale for bare bright.
i so wish i could come and work for you and learn so much. i also wish i could afford one of your gold rock bags (paydirts bags) for my 9 year old son i was going to buy a couple back in January for his birthday but bills needed to come first he also loves watching your videos especially the series on your own mine and keeps asking me if your have opened it back up yet after the winter
Amazed at how the wire separated. I still have 50bls of rock. Funny stuff. If it looks like gold is not. Lol, I am pulling gold out of the rock the doesn't show so much pyrite of hope gold! Lol chasing the red and still finding gold. Thank you
Jason i am a ham radio operator and i use coax cable all the time and the types of coax vary the rh58, rg8x, rg8 ane rg213 brades are copper sometimes tinned. Now tge rg59 rg6 and hardlines used in cable tv services are mostly aluminum escept for tge center conductor in the rg59 and rg6 coaxes which has a copper wire for tge center conductor. I hope this informatation will be of help to you
I'm not sure , but could you not take it a step further and soak it in a solution of some kind to separate it even better? Love your videos Jason. Thanks. 👍😎🇨🇦
I think his problem is the plastic is still getting through partially wrapped around the copper. He needs either a finer mesh still, or a way to chop the wires finer.
i think the best way to use a system like this is just to break everything down then separate the different metals using chemistry, but i dont quite know if that would be cost effective
Magnetic separation for ferrous alloys followed by a linear induction winding under the belt to pop out (Lenz' Law) all remaining electrical conductors. An air-fluidized bed will continuously separate heavies from lights. No wet chemistry!
In the center of the cable of course I’d to tiny copper wire then there’s a white plastic surrounding that copper wire then there’s usually a braided copper mesh wire then of course there’s the black, white and gray casing also made of plastic
Sir I checked Aqua Regia in stannous chloride indicated presence of gold and palatinum group metal i used copper powder to get gold I got some pale yellow powder. but problem is after some time it Turns into a completely black powder
I've seen coax with Copper and also white metal mesh. Do a test: dissolve in Nitric acid then filter. If solution is clear and Chlorine ions are added ( tablesalt or muriatic acid) the solution will turn white if Silver is present.If so Probably not economical to refine chemically because you have to dissolve everything.
The silver coloured metal could be aluminium, you can test for it by putting it in a sodium hydroxide solution. If it starts fizzing it's aluminium, if not it could be silver.
I'd use a bath to separate your silver wire from the plastic most of the time that plastic will float especially with agitation and you can comb it off
As always a great video. Good to see you're entering some recycling concepts especially where some are just bogus. Today media coros are going with fiber optics, so traditional internet cables are being ripped out & being replaced. With that being said I'm on wireless 5g so I've cut the cable about 1 1/2 yrs ago, only problem is navigating around the cable only monopolies. Can do do have some savy.
Thumbs up for using metric being in the US. and there is the odd coax that has an inner sheath of copper that resembles shed snake skin. Whenever I have found that it was always in the black coloured coax cable.
Meanwhile countries send their recycling and e waste to India and China who do NOT do this insulation stripping. They straight up burn everything, blowing all the waste products into the sky. Talk to your local council and e waste businesses and make sure they do it local and don't sell it off overseas!
To anyone who keeps bugging Jason about the ore from his mine: Do you understand the meaning of running a business? It means, *serving his paying customers is a priority!* Geezus! Back off, already! 😖
Ummmm excuse me sir but can we get back to OUR MINE in the mountain & getting into that thick 3 foot wide vain full of gold you were blasting.. please SIR EPISODE WHAT 18 please😳😳😳😳🔥👍🙏🏽🙏🏽 @mbmm
most likely aluminum! or tin/copper. very interesting videos the last few days. love seein the scrap runs as well as ore
That's what I was going to say. Steel tends to never be used as a conductor. Copper is usually the first choice, with aluminum a second choice. And copper coax is frequently tinned to protect from corrosion if it's outdoor rated. Interior rated coax is usually not coated.
Crappy coax is copper coated steel for the central conductor to provide stiffness. However, the steel is a support, not really the conductor as the electrons flow on the exterior.
Power lines are very similar. They have a steel internal wire for strength, and braided aluminum on the exterior to do the conducting.
Yep aluminium
Definitely aluminum
The military version of RG-214 coax cable was double-shielded with silver (Ag) plating on both the shield and the centre conductor. I had access to about 500m of the stuff at one point, but that came and went. Modern RG6 cables (RG6 and RG6-Q) are indeed copper-over-steel for the center conductor, and typically aluminum for the shield braid and foil.
Yes, I removed about 2 pounds worth of silver out of a bunch of it once
The coax cable we used at my last job to run cable runs to GPS antenna used a aluminum foil wrap around the plastic insulation, and am aluminum braid for grounded shielding.
Hi J, the shielding on coax cable is tin-plated copper. As you said the core is copper-clad steel. I was in the scrap business for 40 years and I know coax is not worth the processing, better to sell it to China as is. I wish I had known of you when I in the business. Good luck
I remember payouts of $0.40lb then it dropped to $0.10 then they wouldn't even take spools without a trade license. Word to the wise for anyone looking at picking up any N.O.S. coax.
Hey Jason: Usually the coating is tin plating. Only in connectors would you see silver. Not sure how you can make anything processing that crap. On the job, we just toss any copper clad steel wire and cable. Some of the heavy, low loss coax has silver plating on the copper, but is really expensive and not often used. It isnt often tossed into the scrap bin. Good luck!
Nice proof of concept experiment with coaxial cable! The non magnetic fines are aluminum.
I keep waiting for the conclusion video with the ore you and your team mined.
Congrats on the growth of your channel, Jason.
It's mylar, aluminum, plastic and copper. Water to remove plastic, adjustable leaf blower to remove mylar, heat to separate aluminum and copper.
Excellent video! Have you seen Robert Murray Smith’s video on using milk whey to extract gold from a slurry? Fascinating stuff. A non toxic solution using farm waste from making milk. I’m curious if it could be applied to your process in some way?
You're a busy man ! Enjoy your videos, thanks.
Great process
Thank you! This is great to see 👍🏽
No matter what, they will need to be putting the metals in solution to clean that mess up. Getting the majority clean is fine and 100% doesn’t really matter with coated steel. I also agree with the others that it seems to be aluminum. Sample in the mini kiln and set the temp. Tin will melt well before the aluminum.
I worked for a contracting company for Charter Communications and threw a 7 yard dumpster of RG-6 and RG-11 cables, fittings, and splitters away every single week for 7 years. I always wondered there had to of been a way to recycle the metals from the cabels but thought that the sticky inside insulation wouldakr it to hard.
Interesting machines. Adapting mining machines to recycling makes mucho sense!
Algorithm enhancing comment deployed. Thanks for the interesting content, Jason. Much appreciated.
Interesting as always
Pretty cool machine ya got there
Interesting video! Thumbs up! Jim
Most modern rj6 is aluminum and copper coated steel but it's nice to see your machine can handle it
I work in the scrap industry for last 20 years and to properly separate there are a few methods, i have worked around ones that use air and screen's to seperate the plastics and paper with reverse polarity mag drums(commonly used in non ferrous separation) which if set right with gates and how much current you toss at them will throw alumnium product off and different size screens for separation also. Theres quite a bit of tech that requires large investment if your wanting to get into this industry, this is also not including knife mills/choppers also. But in the seperation there are many ways to skin a cat here, I'm sure you could use a drum and float off the plastics, down side is if their dense and no air pockets which is common for insulated wire may not float worth a damn with out getting creative
The good coax is made with silver coated copper wire as thin as a baby hair. It's mostly used for high power and military. The coax all so uses teflon to insulate the center wire and you have to get it real hot to get rid of. And yes that silver looking stuff is valuable to.
Most newer coax has the aluminum outer shield and the older wires had tinned copper
Greetings from the BIG SKY.
iirc, the fine wispy stuff is fiber(glass?) wrapping for strength, and the silver metal is aluminum for rf-shielding. All the value is likely in the copper.
jason the shiny silver foil will be the shielding for electromagnetic signal i have no clue what it will be made of but it should be conductive
Under the outer braided conductor is aluminum foil. The braided outer conductor is tin plated copper, and the solid wire inner conductor isn't always copper plated steel. On higher grade coax, it's solid copper.
I used to strip coax when I started scrapping to get the copper shielding and the inner copper core if it wasn’t magnetic. Now I check with a magnet and throw it in ferrous shred if it’s magnetic or low grade wire if it’s a copper core.
@@dr.a006buyers will play down any tin plated copper despite the fact tin is worth even more than copper, and tin plated copper is perfect feedstock for the making of tin containing bronze alloys.
Another great video Jason. Do you have a timeframe when we can expect a video on the gold ore you processed? Been eagerly waiting to hear the results!
At 3:38 does the material in the bucket have paper , if so incineration may liberate metal ,tin or silver ?
I think the silvery stuff is aluminum. They have a fine sheath of clear coated aluminum foil.
I strip coax all the time, sometimes it's stainless steel and others are nickel plated copper. I think the most of what you have is stainless steel. The ones with nickel usually have a plastic covered copper line running down the middle of it which I sale for bare bright.
Do an assay or melt & run a PMI test with XRF.
i so wish i could come and work for you and learn so much. i also wish i could afford one of your gold rock bags (paydirts bags) for my 9 year old son i was going to buy a couple back in January for his birthday but bills needed to come first he also loves watching your videos especially the series on your own mine and keeps asking me if your have opened it back up yet after the winter
Amazed at how the wire separated. I still have 50bls of rock. Funny stuff.
If it looks like gold is not. Lol, I am pulling gold out of the rock the doesn't show so much pyrite of hope gold! Lol chasing the red and still finding gold. Thank you
Jason i am a ham radio operator and i use coax cable all the time and the types of coax vary the rh58, rg8x, rg8 ane rg213 brades are copper sometimes tinned. Now tge rg59 rg6 and hardlines used in cable tv services are mostly aluminum escept for tge center conductor in the rg59 and rg6 coaxes which has a copper wire for tge center conductor. I hope this informatation will be of help to you
I can see why my local yard pays a penny a pound for coax cable!
COOL!
The good coax is made with silver coated copper wire as thin as a baby hair. It's mostly used for high power and military
aluminum foil and aluminized plastic is often used in cables for shielding
Awesome!
Silver braided is Copper & Silver foil is Aluminum
The very fine silverly stuff is most likely aluminum from the ground shielding used in cable wire.
Jason, when are you going to do the ore from your mine.
i remember i cleaned out a place. of ,telecom wire. ,600 lbs. took it a recycling place in paramount ca. got. $200. 👍👍. have a good day.
how about screening the bigger stuff from the waste, run the small stuff through the kiln?
I'm not sure , but could you not take it a step further and soak it in a solution of some kind to separate it even better? Love your videos Jason. Thanks. 👍😎🇨🇦
Electrostatic machines are used to remove the plastic. Test for Aluminum take a handful to someone with an XRF machine.
I think his problem is the plastic is still getting through partially wrapped around the copper. He needs either a finer mesh still, or a way to chop the wires finer.
@@RyanEglitis Needs burning then or dissolving in some chemical. Smelters probably know how to deal with it.
Would a copper granulator work for fully separating everything?
I have a question what happens when you put hard drive magnets into a hammer mill as part of the whole disk?
i think the best way to use a system like this is just to break everything down then separate the different metals using chemistry, but i dont quite know if that would be cost effective
Will the insulation float? Could you dump the copper into a liquid and let the remaining insulation float on top and scoop it off?
Magnetic separation for ferrous alloys followed by a linear induction winding under the belt to pop out (Lenz' Law) all remaining electrical conductors. An air-fluidized bed will continuously separate heavies from lights. No wet chemistry!
In the center of the cable of course I’d to tiny copper wire then there’s a white plastic surrounding that copper wire then there’s usually a braided copper mesh wire then of course there’s the black, white and gray casing also made of plastic
what about your rocks that you gathered from your mine?
Sir I checked Aqua Regia in stannous chloride indicated presence of gold and palatinum group metal i used copper powder to get gold I got some pale yellow powder. but problem is after some time it Turns into a completely black powder
Nitric acid or electrolys would be my sugestion if you want to separate the metals
When are you going to run the stuff from your mine
❤
Time to melt both part down to recover more material
I've seen coax with Copper and also white metal mesh. Do a test: dissolve in Nitric acid then filter. If solution is clear and Chlorine ions are added ( tablesalt or muriatic acid) the solution will turn white if Silver is present.If so Probably not economical to refine chemically because you have to dissolve everything.
Smelt both piles into an ingot and XRF it.
🤟
some coax cables have aluminum foil tubing around the insulator.
Could also be nickel plated. It shouldn't be too difficult to determine with a little chemistry.
👍
The silver coloured metal could be aluminium, you can test for it by putting it in a sodium hydroxide solution.
If it starts fizzing it's aluminium, if not it could be silver.
Make sure you are still subscribed. UA-cam has insubscribed me from a lot of channels I follow.
You should use an XRF analyzer gun on the unknown materials.
It's typically aluminum.
I believe Brent @ GhostTownLiving has 900ft of coax cable going spare!
I'd use a bath to separate your silver wire from the plastic most of the time that plastic will float especially with agitation and you can comb it off
the fine hair wire is aluminum.
🙏❤️🌲
Does anybody know of a good copper wire stripper.
you could probably further separate the remaining metals and the polymer.
Good afternoon from Southeast South Dakota
Alum.
As always a great video. Good to see you're entering some recycling concepts especially where some are just bogus. Today media coros are going with fiber optics, so traditional internet cables are being ripped out & being replaced. With that being said I'm on wireless 5g so I've cut the cable about 1 1/2 yrs ago, only problem is navigating around the cable only monopolies. Can do do have some savy.
Should throw It in water first plastic with float and the metal will sink to the bottom
Most coax folie is aluminium
you have an xrf gun. why not scan it?
The silver is aluminum. Tin will not conduct clean electricity or dissipate the heat as well as aluminum does!
Bro, process some of your mine ore already
Aluminum or Mylar maybe
Dad always said it was aluminum.
Thumbs up for using metric being in the US. and there is the odd coax that has an inner sheath of copper that resembles shed snake skin. Whenever I have found that it was always in the black coloured coax cable.
Meanwhile countries send their recycling and e waste to India and China who do NOT do this insulation stripping. They straight up burn everything, blowing all the waste products into the sky. Talk to your local council and e waste businesses and make sure they do it local and don't sell it off overseas!
I was expecting you to process it all The way through. I wanted to see what kind of metal you got out of it. Bummer
Water wash tank take the plastics out
aluminium
To anyone who keeps bugging Jason about the ore from his mine:
Do you understand the meaning of running a business? It means, *serving his paying customers is a priority!*
Geezus! Back off, already! 😖
I wanna see you melt that into bars
coax isn't worth the time it takes to process. its usually steel coated with copper with thin aluminium foil that's hard to seperate
Ummmm excuse me sir but can we get back to OUR MINE in the mountain & getting into that thick 3 foot wide vain full of gold you were blasting.. please SIR EPISODE WHAT 18 please😳😳😳😳🔥👍🙏🏽🙏🏽 @mbmm
Ill bet its mylar
Borrow that XRF. It will tell you what that metal is
Okay so my wording isn’t spot on 😂
Definitely don’t want any information or pricing, you showed it not working. Keep on scamming buddy. I’ll keep poaching your claims at night.