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What the Book of Job Is All About | Dr. John Walton
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- Опубліковано 18 січ 2017
- Most people reading the book of Job come to the book with certain expectations based on what they think the book is about. They often leave dissapointed and believe that the book is ineffective. The problem is that readers are misguided in their expectations. In this seesion Dr. John Walton talks about what the book is really doing, how it does that, and what it means to us as Christians.
Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen. Thanks for the commentary. Thanks for the post.
I really appreciate Dr Walton's teaching. His insight and understanding of God's word is so helpful and honouring to God. 😊
It would have been nice to see all of the powerpoint slides he kept referencing and pointing to...
Thank you for helping me learn so much more from Job. I know that God loves me and I trust him through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Best sermon on Job ever...
"trust steps in where knowledge fails"
For a breakthrough understanding of the Book of Job, read the novel "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke." Advanced. Good.
Suffering. A perennial problem very well addressed by Dr. Walton.
Excellent.
After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.
Job 42:7
What did Job say about God?
It is all the same; that is why I say,
‘He destroys both the blameless and the wicked.’
Job 9:22
Job doesn’t condemn Gods existence or his strength and power as seen here:
His wisdom is profound, his power is vast.
Who has resisted him and come out unscathed?
He moves mountains without their knowing it
and overturns them in his anger.
He shakes the earth from its place
and makes its pillars tremble.
He speaks to the sun and it does not shine...
Job 9:4-7
Despite Job’s recognition of Gods great power, God never responded to Jobs accusations of his lack of justice. In fact, God went as far to say that Job... was truthful.
The fundamental problem with this reading is Job says that he was wrong, and that he spoke about things that he didn't understand: "My had heard but now my eyes have seen." So you can't know what Job spoke right about without understanding the difference between what he heard vs who he saw; nor can you understand what he got wrong. Everything in Job isn't right, This is characteristic of the Wisdom Literature: 1D readings fail to get the point because the books are written partially for that purpose.
The point of the Wisdom Theology (this also appears in Ecclesiastes and Song of Songs and at the beginning of Proverbs) is that personal knowledge of YHWH is what resolves these God-view questions because such knowledge comes through his Spirit (who gives wisdom and thus discernment). As Paul says: "Who has known the mind of God, but we have the mind of Christ." Without the God-view that comes from the Holy Spirit of YHWH you're stuck trying to reach answer God-view questions via a limited temporal perspective and will always miss the point. Your answers will always be a result of slavery to biochemistry.
(The language of YHWH appearing to Job in a whirlwind is in fact the language of the merkabah revelation, by which people were commissioned as prophets, and after which a revelation usually follows. Ergo, Job being taken on a tour of Creation from beginning to end. And at the end there is the defeat of wickedness (represented by the tanninim Leviathin and Behomoth).
@@blanktrigger8863 thanks for the clarification!
Sometimes there are multiple explanations as to the "why" but it's not what God wants us to focus on when we're in the furnace of affliction. Per Walton's point, we need to see what purpose God has for us in our future but we can only access that by TRUST. This is why it's infinitely easier to see the "why" AFTER we come through a major life trial than when we're in the middle of it.
An excellent source of information on the book of Job is Dr. Hugh Ross work on Job. His other books are very worthwhile reading also. Also check out the Companion Bible-EW Bullinger. An excellent resource.
A worthwhile video on Job from a Protestant perspective. Much to think about, thank you.
Thank you i feel like i understand what to do im my sufferings.
we suffer so that we will not be worldly we suffer so that god will receive the glory our suffering does not mean god does not love us it means he loves us more for when we suffer we get closer to god and build a relationship with him.god is the creator and he has every right to do with us what he wills
Yes..he is the potter we are the clay.
How does Job fit into the history of Jesus??
Great sermon but what about Jesus. Is he the suffering servant who trusted wholly in His father's wisdom??
I wish Walton didn't dismiss the bulk (Job's and his friends' discourse) of the book so much. There has to be something to be gleaned from all that Hebrew poetry.
I think that's a great thought. I think there is a lot of truth in Job's friends' wisdom, but theirs is a misuse of God's Wisdom.
For example, people often say "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it. (Pro 22:6 NIV) - This is a promise that God will look after your children if you teach them well." Now there is wisdom there - yes, training your child is wise. But the statement is also dreadfully wrong, because it's a proverb, a rule of thumb, not a cast iron promise - and if you interpret it like a promise of how the world works, you're in for serious problems.
I think Job's friends' poetry is like that - it's embedded in the wisdom of Proverbs (so, good) but it misinterprets the wisdom of Proverbs (so, bad). So as we read what Job's friends have to say, even though we know that ultimately they are wrong, we can still recognize the truth they get right, and importantly we can examine the ways in which we also may be misinterpreting and making false assumptions about God's truth/wisdom.
@@forrestcandy right, so it needs to be worked through, not dismissed.
@@JH.K True! To be fair though, this talk was super conflated. There is also a lot more to be said about behemoth and leviathan, which take up a substantial chunk, for instance.
Walton certainly deals with the friends' speeches in great detail in his other material (eg. commentaries). But on reflection I think you are right in that it would be terrible for someone to get the impression that the friends speeches are just wrong and therefore not to be benefited from.
I love this guy
Is this the same John Walton who appeared in The Waltons as John Boy? Preferred his old clothes.
Dr. Walton has very similar mannerisms, voice and even looks like Dennis Hopper, LOL. It's kind of cool because it's what Hopper would have been like had he been a follower of Jesus.
Clear explanation.. thnxzzz
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Life go god
Behemouth and Leviathan are not hippos. That's impossible. They can only be dinosaurs of some kind.
How does this have any impact on what the book is trying to communicate?
Leviathan are large sea serpents.
Nope also wrong. Leviathan is Leviathan. Behemoth is Behemoth. God removed the traces of their existence from the world to keep us uncertain. Were they here, Gods grand plan couldn't work. Because things like evolution couldn't hold up to scrutiny. This world, by design, brings uncertainty and doubt.
Ias a child remember being told I had the patience of Jobe so child I remember being told that to my When my children were young and they had good patience with me so we had to wait for dinner wait for me to come get them back and if they were good when I give them their dessert I was at thank you for having the patience of Jobe that’s what my parents said to me when I was a little girl And I thought that meant something really really good and it does cause Job had enough faith in God and himself therefore he could wait bro the good things to come you just continue doing the right things they doing them for himself not just two in spite of the devil but for himself proving his faith.
children whatever they been patient I said you’ve got the patience of Jobe
There is a grossly unnecessary dig at a well-known pastor early on in this lecture. It detracts from what would otherwise be a sensible and learned discussion. I am not sure why there is a need to attack people, especially fellow Christians.
I found what you're taking about. It's around the 16:10 mark.
That's not really an attack at all. It's a reference to an errant preaching present in many churches, most notably in Houston.
While I agree we shouldn't attack Christians, we should rebuke teachers (like Joel Osteen) who preach falsehoods. We also shouldn't attack non-Christians, but it's okay to correct their ideas.
Great video but Leviathan isn’t a hippopotamus or an elephant.. It’s pretty obvious what it is
Tail like cider , yes its obvios , maybe carbon dating needs revision .
behemoth
Ewww. Anyone who favorably quotes the dreadful and heretical new age nonsense “The Shack” has no credibility. I just wasted 42 minutes of my life. And it was going so well!
It seems an odd way to judge someone's theology by whether or not they found a particular piece of media interesting, rather than how the theology that they are teaching measured up to scripture.
@@plasmatikification not odd at all. Simply a garbage in garbage out phenomenon. The Shack is garbage. Next he will be quoting the well known scholar Barbra Streisand. Like I said, dreadful.
@@danreich4320 Not everyone has the level of discernment if a five year old. Do you live in a culture where people have no ability to understand someone else's beliefs and differentiate it from their own beliefs?
I managed to study ancient Greek and Norse mythology and while it gave me a better understanding of what other people used to believe, it didn't lead me to become a pagan, let alone tempt me in that direction.
@@plasmatikification no
GOD new what was comming, how can you ask him,, what kind of world did you create ??? I can't believe YOU ARE SAYING ALL THIS, .GOD brought the Flood because of the world it was like it is right now, I would get mad too if people do not learn.
Maybe the Devil is our creator and we shall respect him but ok to question but not ok to think we are higher for he is higher but even he has a Boss also and one day maybe we will Judge also ,soon perhaps ..maybe when we die!..YHWH the serpent , cunning but even he answers to another ?
Abel Chavez that’s Gnosticism, very evil
This approach needs squaring with rav Yehezqel digging deep in Hebrew perspective-- scriptures are not for anyone who would treat it like a literature as letters have strong messages that academics don't see.
What a petty and, yes, small this god is (if he indeed exists). I can't imagine treating my children the way he treats his.
" Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction."
Job was a lazy guy
If this propagandistic man a real dr? I hoped to watch a real study on the issue, instead I got a banal sermon and theist propaganda
I hoped to watch a critical review. Like Chesterton gave
Theist propaganda on a sermon on Job? You'd be pretty biased to expect anything else.