H9PRO - Use Vintage Lenses With GoPro Hero9!
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2021
- www.back-bone.ca
They may not be as perfect as modern lenses but many old movie camera lenses from the 40's, 50's and 60's are warm, sharp and full of character. With a modified GoPro camera from Back-Bone you can mount C-Mount lenses from old 8mm and 16mm Bolex cameras! For this video we collected a selection of 1950's D-Mount lenses used on 8mm Bolex movies camera and mounted them to our H9PRO modified Hero9 Black. Using a simple D-Mount adapter you can mount them directly to the camera!
8mm lenses were designed for a film size slightly smaller than the GoPro sensor, so in some cases they will vignette slightly, or they won't be as sharp at the outer edges. You can crop the footage slightly yo get rid of any vignetting, or use the camera menus to zoom in a little. In this video we didn't crop the footage at all so the edges of some of the shots might not be as crisp. We think that adds to the character of these beautiful lenses.
Lenses used:
5.5mm Kern Paillard f1.9 PIZAR (1959)
6.5mm Soligor Elitar Wide Angle f1.9 (1950’s)
12.5mm Kern Paillard f2.5 YVAR (1957)
13mm Kern Paillard f1.8 YVAR (1958) - our favorite!
25mm SOM Burthiot f2.5 LYTAR + Hyper Cinor (1950’s)
36mm Kern Paillard f2.8 YVAR (1958)
38mm Zeika Optics Cine Tele (1955)
The intro sequence was shot with the 13mm Kern Paillard lens. - Фільми й анімація
amazing result
Amazing!💚😍📷
Wonderful images!!
Do you have any examples of the GoPro 10's rolling shutter? For example footages shot on a longer lens 13mm (and higher) with 1/50th shutter with stronger pans and tilts?
Thank you very much!
Fantastic ! :)
It's funny the "look" has one foot in video and the other in true digital cinema. I wonder if grading it differently could soften the feel.
WOW! Cool ❤
What about lens from the 70s and 80s, do they work
Can I get modification kit only.?
There's a warmth to these lenses that's missing from modern day lenses
Lol. Just like digital vs analog audio. This just goes to show, it can be the exact same technology, but people will still say the old version has some unattainable quality to it.
@@rBennich It's all being shot digital (except Spielberg and Nolan) but the lens choice makes the difference. Hollywood routinely use old Panavision and Cooke lenses in digital productions to capture a certain look. While an $80 high megapixel M12 lens will give you superior sharpness throughout the DOF, it doesn't feel natural. Netflix's recent 'Army of the Dead' was recently shot on old 70's Canon dream lenses. Also ,check out 'Dog Shidt' lenses which are very popular for Cinematic work.
@@photoguru3786 But don't you think someone will be nostalgic about the phone camera lens and how It's got an unattainable quality to it, in say, 50 years, when everything is shot with ubernanotech-lenses, or whatever? I know i sound silly, but I'm making a point. I'm sure the lenses you're talking about are great. But what I'm proposing is that what gives rise to the "natural" feel might have at least something to do with historic placement. Noone thought the well-tempered piano sounded natural when it came out, but nowadays we're debating if a computer can make a virtual piano sound natural enough.
@@rBennich True enough :) We tend to hold on to what we know and resist changes. We're all so accustomed to watching films at 24 fps which has not changes since the beginning. 24 fps is what we know and reminds us that what we're watching isn't real... could we play films at 48 fps or even 148 fps- absolutely, but we don't. I remember Peter Jackson shooting the Hobbit (to my memory) at ~48 fps and everyone hating the experience. There's valid reasons to shoot 3D at higher frame rates but I still enjoy the 2D experience best. Call me old school lol :)
@@photoguru3786 I totally get it. I have "truemotion" or whatever it's called on my tv, that fills in the frames to a solid 60fps. It can make "the hateful eight", which i guess was filmed in 24fps look like a soap television program. But if you break it down, the higher the fps count, the more "natural" it should feel, since it's more approximate to reality. But on the other hand, 24 fps is more "natural" in relation to movie history.
Can you guys for once provide footage that does not come from a gimbal setup? Is this thing at all usable without stabilization? I need a handheld device. What does the form factor bring, if you always have to carry a gimbal with you?
Wow 1950 😶👍
I’m very interested in this!! I’m not sure what lens would be the best for filming football and baseball.
Hey, would you guys be able to sell a the mount to put on the GoPro?
Is this footage color edited?
So, do you just set the GoPro H9 to "Superview" to use all of the sensor? Also, how do you calculate the field of view for given combinations? For example, all C-mount do not a throw the same image circle, correct? The image circled may vary from 5 to 22mm depending on the format it was designed for. For a 1/2.3 GoPro sensor, an lens with an image circle of greater than 7.66 mm is required. But if the image circle is a lot larger, wont that effectively create a magnification? One C 25 mm C Mount lens might act like a 25 mm lens, but another might act like a 50 mm lens (as far as field of view is concerned) because of differences in the image circle. Do you have a guide that explains the math so that a user can select the right range of lenses?
Further to my question....a lens designed for use with 16 mm vintage film had to cover 12.70mm diagonal...correct? Image circle had to exceed this. But the GoPro sensor diagonal is 7.66mm. So much of the image a 16mm film camera projects will go to waste on a GoPro. This effectively means the image is cropped, and the lens will act like a longer focal length, correct? So a 13mm Kern for 16mm will have a narrower field of view on a GoPro than it would on a Bolex 16mm....correct?
We don't recommend the use of Superview on our modified cameras as it takes the full 4:3 aspect ratio of the image sensor and squashes it down to 16:9 resulting in distortion. It's better to shoot in 'wide' fov using either the 16:9 aspect ratio or the full sensor in 4:3 mode. It's true that the GoPro sensor has a 7.66mm diagonal image sensor which in essence means your lens format should produce an image circle at least that size otherwise it will 'vignette' causing dark corners etc. 8mm D-Mount lenses as an example are designed for film that's actually smaller in size with a diagonal of roughly 6mm. That being said most D-Mount lenses will cover the GoPro sensor completely. As a general rule with C-Mount lenses, ones with a wide field of view will have a smaller 'tight' image circle and longer focal length lenses will have larger image circles. That being said a 25mm lens (as an example) of any format will still produce the same field of view on the GoPro. A 25mm C-Mount lens will have the same fov on the GoPro as a 25mm Nikon F-Mount lens even though they have different image circle sizes.
do you have gopro hero 11 sample video?
Very good job, how you can got smooth focus like this?
Yes
Hello, has the flange distance changed so it is d mout compatible? What if I bought a regular c mount conversion backbone gopro, and I assume that if I do a d to c adapting, and put it on the camera, it won't be in focus? thank you!
All of our modified GoPro cameras are both CS-Mount and C-Mount compatible. CS-Mount has a flange distance 5mm shorter than that of C-Mount. A 5mm spacer ring is included to make the camera C-Mount and when removed it is CS-Mount. A D-Mount lens (with adapter) would be used with the CS-Mount on the camera so that the lens can go in far enough to focus properly. To use C-Mount lenses (like 16mm Bolex) you would just need to add the included 5mm spacer.
dji osmo action?
What amaizing! I saw your website. Can both [1/1.8″ 25-135MM VARIFOCAL] and [2/3″ 3.3X MACRO ZOOM] be used without any modification if I just mount C on GoPro9? or remodel before mount c?
The short answer is that other lens types can't be used on an unmodified GoPro camera. C-mount lenses like the two you mentioned will require that the original GoPro lens is first removed and the proper lens mounts fitted at the correct distance from the sensor. We sell pre-modified cameras that are ready to go, or you can send in a compatible camera you already own. Details about that here: www.back-bone.ca/installation/
@@BACKBONEca Thank you for your answer. I'd like to buy a C mount, lens, and a pre-modified camera together. Can both a and b be used for the pre-modified GoPro9?
If not, please recommend a macro lens that is possible and a lens that can take about 135mm of telescope.
I've been experimenting with MLV raw on Canon eosM with vintage m43, cctv lens, kit lens, what have you; and this looks quite comparable in a smaller form factor. Time to invest in gopro stock?
Only issue with gopro is dynamic range. Can easily be improved with AI algorithms on a smaller sensor. Every major camera manufacturer is trying to outdo the other in that department.
Are there specific settings you have to use for the H11pro? And what are the best lenses in your opinion to use for the H11pro? Because a lot of the lenses you offer aren’t compatible for the H11pro.
We typically recommend using the camera's 'wide' mode at all times to make full use of the image sensor area for the cleanest video. Linear modes should only be used with fisheye lenses. We also recommend enabling the 10-bit color, increasing the bitrate to high. We also typically use native white balance and flat color so there's more freedom to grade the footage. We also use GoPro labs firmware to increase the bitrate even higher and customize some other settings such as skipping the menus when attaching an HDMI monitor to go straight to the live feed. Almost all of the lenses listed on our website work very will with the H11PRO. Any CS-Mount or C-Mount lens will work, and all of the M12's on our site will work with the exception of the 3.65mm (due to it's physical shape it won't fit). The camera also comes with an MFT mount for manual lenses. Recommended lenses depend on how you use the camera, but typically speaking we use the following lenses the most: 4.35mm or 5.4mm M12 for general 'run and gun' shooting, 8mm C-Mount for cinematic medium/wide and 16mm or 25mm C-Mounts for closeups with blurred backgrounds. We also offer some ultrawide circular fisheye M12's that work very will with GoPro's 'MAX' lens mode as well as linear / horizon leveling modes.
@@BACKBONEca thank you for getting back to me with this i appreciate it
Hallo apa bisa untuk dji osmo action jika iya apakah bisa dibuatkan vidionya
Oi como faço para adquirir as lentes
Dónde consigo esa montura para los lentes, me funciona también para una go pro 10?
Nuestros productos están disponibles en nuestro sitio web www.back-bone.ca. También tenemos una modificación para la Hero10 que funciona de la misma manera. Solo tenga en cuenta que es una modificación de la cámara que elimina la lente original, no un accesorio que se enciende y se vuelve a quitar.
Do you know of any anamorphic lenses that were made in the c mount?
We're not aware of any C-Mount lenses that are specifically anamorphic however there were many adapters such as the Bolex Moller developed in the past for C-Mount Bolex movie cameras. Those can be found on ebay. It's also possible to use small anamorphic adapters that are designed for phones if using a small M12 lens, though some creative mounting might be needed.
How hard is it to do manual focus on action camera screen? the screen is so small, wouldnt it be a pain in the ass?
Most people are able to focus well using the small screen, but if you prefer you can also use the GoPro app for a larger preview on your mobile device. If needed you can also use the HDMI port on the Media Mod accessory to connect the camera to any number of TV's or small battery powered field monitors
These shots look nice. Are these specific lenses hard to find?
Most of them are fairly common and can be found on eBay. Look in the video description for the list that was used. Quick tip - we found it much cheaper to buy complete cameras with the lenses attached rather than the individual lenses on their own.
@@BACKBONEca where can i get those mounts? Doffren't mounts available?
I would need closeups for animals
@@bavarianbenko8544 We sell a variety of new lenses and adapters on our website www.back-bone.ca but the our modified Hero9 (H9PRO) is required in order to use them. If you alread have a Hero9 we can convert it for you. Details here: www.back-bone.ca/installation/
@@BACKBONEca why does the conversion cost as much as the camera pretty much ??
Will these focus to infinity properly?
Typically the D-Mount adapter is mounted to the CS-Mount of our modified cameras. That gives plenty of room for lenses to reach infinity and a little bit past. A set of shims is provided along with our D-Mount adapter so you can fine tune the infinity focus of fixed focus D-Mounts, or make a back focus adjustment to any lens for accurate focus at infinity.
and you want what for these? the blur on the edge is kind of bad
The slight blur on the edges in some cases is just bokeh effect, but in a few cases stems from the fact that D-Mount lenses were designed for 8mm film, the exposed area of which is slightly smaller than that of the GoPro sensor - so the edges with these particular lenses can be a bit soft, especially with wide angle glass. Modern C-Mount lenses or vintage 16mm Bolex lenses are always sharp edge to edge. If soft edges are present from a D-Mount lens you can often use the zoom slider on the camera screen to punch in a little bit, or crop in post especially if shooting at 5.3K which can't be displayed on most TVs. Here we have elected to show the full sensor area.
@@BACKBONEca First I want to say, I do like the design, dont get me wrong. I love action cameras, its my crack rock at the moment. But for the price you are asking, I can get a good used DSLR with a couple lenses for the same amount and as a photographer (armature /seemy pro) I feel I would be getting cheated. But, if people are buying, youre doing something right
@@DaddisHouse We're the first to say that it's not the camera for everyone, but it does fill the specific needs of a lot of people ;-) Small size and weight with good specs are important for a lot of applications - eg: weapon mounting, head mounted surgical recording, drones etc. Plus there's the fact that these cameras can be connected directly to microscopes and other specialized equipment in place of more expensive C-Mount imaging systems is a great selling point. Hopefully we get to the point where we can manufacture these in the 100's of thousands so we can bring the price down too!
i need my gopro hero 11 modified. do i send it to you guys or you guys have a package i can purchase? you guy’s portal doesn’t look very modern. i just get to the website and since it doesnt look legitimate i just leave.
Hello, yes our conversion service can be purchased here: www.back-bone.ca/installation/
May I ask what site you are going to? If typing our url don't forget the '-' in the middle :-) www.back-bone.ca
will it work for gopro 10?
Yes we now have a modified Hero10 available. www.back-bone.ca
Cómo se llama el adaptador?
No es un adaptador sino una conversión de cámara completa. Llamamos a la cámara convertida 'H9PRO'. El último modelo es el 'H11PRO'. Puede comprárnoslas nuevas o enviarnos su propia cámara GoPro para convertirlas.
Is the focus coming from the lens or the GoPro’s technology
The focus is coming from the lenses which have manual focus rings and iris control. Once the original GoPro lens is removed and it's converted with our new lens mounting assembly you can put basically any lens you want on the camera, including C-Mount movie camera lenses from the 1920's! You can add M12, CS and C-Mount lenses without needing anything extra. In this case a small D-Mount adapter is needed for these 8mm film lenses. You can also use adapters to connect common lens types like Nikon and Canon.
@@BACKBONEca i have a question. does the original lens and sensor of hero 9 can be seaprated? because some say that it is impossible to seprate the lens an sensor of hero 9
@@danieljoshuaformoso724 It's difficult and somewhat risky. We use special equipment to safely separate the lens from the image sensor but the lens is essentially destroyed in the process. When performed by hand you run a high risk of breaking the protective cover and exposing a completely unprotected image sensor or getting debris underneath the cover - which is extremely difficult to clean without causing more damage.
@@jonclouter2128 oohh i see. That's why. Are they glued together? Or they have the same plastic housing?
@@danieljoshuaformoso724 They are glued together - lens glued to mount and mount glued to image sensor
Saya dari Indonesia
Bisakah saya membeli lensanya ,13 mm Kern paillard f1.8 YVAR 1958
We don't sell actually vintage lenses. The easiest place to find them is typically eBay. If you are looking for Bolex D-Mount lenses you'll need a small adapter ring to use them with our modified camera. A quick tip for eBay you can often get a complete 8mm Bolex camera with a couple of lenses for less than buying a single lens on it's own. We often look at camera listings just to see what lenses are mounted on them.
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please help me, where can i buy this lens? do you have the link? Thank you
you can find our modified GoPro cameras here www.back-bone.ca We also carry a variety of new compatible lenses, however the lenses used in this video are older vintage lenses made in the 50's and 60's. The best place to find those types of lenses in our experience is eBay
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Now imagine trying to manually focus these things on a gopro lol.. pass
The GoPro screen is very adequate for focusing. Otherwise add a field monitor.
@@photoguru3786 I've been looking for a field monitor. What do you recommend, that's not unreasonably expensive, but will do the jobb for focus, and also, be mountable?
@@rBennich I love Atomos but they are definitely more expensive. Alternatively, I've had good results with Lilliput which is less expensive but lacks the 'bells and whistles'
@@photoguru3786 Yeah, I've looked into both those options. It would be nice with something in the price range sweetspot between them.
@@rBennich Maybe check out Marshall field monitors. Lots to choose from on Amazon these days.
Bom dia ,sou do Brasil gostaria de comprar lente para Gopro 9 ,vcs tem whatsapp?