When Will Security Go Back to Normal? | Philosophy Tube
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- 9/11 and the War on Terror changed a lot. Will it ever change back?
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UPDATE - 06/2020
At 3.49 of this video I say, "American security culture is very much influenced by Israeli security culture, so America and Israel are very much the tail that wags the dog on this issue." Since 2018, when this video was made, I have learned a great deal that has caused me to reflect on this moment:
In May of 2020 I made an episode of Philosophy Tube called 'Antisemitism: An Analysis,' during the research phase of which I read a lot about antisemitic conspiracy theories. As with all governments sometimes it is necessary to criticise Israeli policy, but obviously we want to do that in a way that isn't antisemitic and doesn't allow antisemitism to be smuggled into otherwise good-faith conversations. By engaging with Jewish sources, principally April Rosenblum's text "The Past Didn't Go Anywhere," I learned that the way to do it properly is to be specific and clear in what we are criticising - for instance, to say, "AIPAC gives US politicians incentives to support militaristic policies that I disagree with" is specific and clear; to say, "The Israel lobby are controlling the American government" is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. (Rosenblum's examples.) Even if someone's intended meaning more closely aligns with that first sentence and they harbour no personal ill-will towards Jewish people, phrasing it as the second sentence would sound like an antisemitic conspiracy theory and would allow antisemites to infiltrate the conversation, potentially putting Jewish people taking part at risk.
Having learned this I realise that I failed to be specific and clear in this video. I should have either cut the line about Israeli security culture influencing American security culture, or gone into detail about precisely what that influence is and why it matters. As it stands the line is vague enough in its allusion to "influence" that it could be interpreted by conspiracy theorists as a knowing wink to their ideas, which was not the intended effect and which I regret. Even worse, I have since learned that the phrase "the tail that wags the dog" in reference to Israel is an antisemitic dogwhistle used by Neo-Nazi groups to reference a fictional Jewish conspiracy. I did not know that in 2018 and the phrase's inclusion here is a deeply unfortunate coincidence.
In the years since this video was published, nobody - Jewish or Gentile - has expressed any concern to me, but I wanted to comment anyway so that people coming back to this episode can learn from my mistake. If any Jewish people were made to feel uncomfortable by that line then I would like to express my sincere apologies.
You can disagrees olly by saying the specific meaning of this sentence here
"American security culture is very much influenced by Israeli security culture" makes it clear you're referring to Israel's security agencies and their practices. We shouldn't let our speech be dictated by the bad-faith smears of Zionist scum like the Foundation for Defense of Democracies that call any criticism of the genocidal Israeli ethnostate "anti-semitism."
I appreciate the comment! You don't actually clarify the statement you made in the video though.
And this is why I respect Olly so much. Almost two years after making a video, he still not only remembers his own content but is willing to analyze, critique, and address potential problems with it without anyone pressuring him to. You're a good guy, Mr. Thorn. :)
The reason why nobody has expressed concern is, because people are able to differentiate between the state and government of Israel and the religion of Judaism. Don't worry too much. I think we all know how you meant it.
The searching our bags thing is demonstrably no longer just about security. You used to be able to take sandwiches and drinks into concerts, and now there is a massive operation to search every bag and throw anything away that is for sale inside.
It's annoying for me but recently a diabetic person sued a venue because they threw away her Lucozade which she needed in case she needed to adjust her blood sugar levels.
I was thinking the same thing. A big part is ensuring their arbitrary rules are being followed, I wouldn't be surprised if they started checking bags at movie theaters, and other places that don't allow "outside" food or drink, before too long... and if it makes their patrons feel safer, that's just an added bonus!
Do you think security rules may have been tightened after the incident in Manchester?
Sugar cubes are not sufficient for emergency rescue situations especially since you can need to adjust your blood sugar in either direction.
Yep, that's a profit-based economy for you..
One other thing that wierded me out, at a festival the bags had to be smaller than, i don't know 8liters, something like that (if bigger please pay 2 euros so someone can keep it for you..) because you could theoretically choke someone by putting his head in your bag somehow..
Not in the rave community!
How ironic that we were so hyped up on "freedom" after 9/11, when that was a period where our freedoms were being scaled back to an unprecedented degree.
I still assume that my library habits probably landed me on at least one or two lists after 9/11. I'd gotten heavily into Chomsky, Jim Garrison, and other authors who were critical of "America as empire" during the Bush administration.
It wasn't the 9/11 terrorists who took our freedom, but it was taken by the terrorists in the White House
@@Dennis-oc8bn Yep the good ol' USA PATRIOT Act which passed the Senate with near-unanimous support.
Should've been called the USA TRAITOR ACT instead since taking away other people's liberties is far from being patriotic
@@Dennis-oc8bn Absolutely agree. Only one being patriotic in the senate that day was Feingold when he voted against it. Mary Landrieu decided to play chicken and just not even take a stand on it either way.
I'm type 1 diabetic, so going through an airport is nerve racking because i don't know how the TSA staff will respond to my equipment (an insulin pump, bottles of insulin, blood sugar testing metres, etc.) The first time I went through airport security, I was a child, they unpacked all my bags, disorganised my equipment, patted me down and put me through security scanners that they were clearly told could damage my insulin pump. I was a child and they patted me down. In Manchester a young diabetic boy had his insulin taken out of his bag by security before a flight to egypt. They got to Egypt and he had no insulin, they got in contact with the airport and they denied having taken the insulin. The CCTV footage was investigated and this was clearly shown to be a lie. Security took a child's vital medication that he needs at all times and denied that they did. In Manchester airport they've also been known to quickly seperate diabetic kids from their parents so they can search them and pat them down. It's scary and embarrassing for a child to be searched by security staff on their own.
I’m also type 1 diabetic. I was diagnosed at 17 and honestly I’ve never left the country since for this exact reason. I’m now 25
Also, taking a child from a parent to be searched by someone with virtually no accountability sounds like an incredibly easy way for child abuse/molestation to take place
WHAT?!!?! That is absolutely crazy!! That they can get away with separating kids from their parents for pat downs is horrifying.
The parents should be required to be in the room oh my god
as a manc this is fucking terrifying and I'm not even diabetic
My daughter had to go through airport security on her own as an older teen. She told the TSA that she could not put her insulin pump through the scanner. They tried to argue with her and she said something like: okay, if you want to pay $10,000 for a new pump. So they hand searched her. It's probably something I should have complained about but I was overwhelmed in grad school at the time. But another time she had left her kit in my car and I ran it into the airport, the people at the desk got me through security fast and I ran to the gate and someone was coming out to meet me. So that was a plus. Still, there should be a big education component to TSA worker training on this issue.
I had a professor once who liked to say, "There's nothing as permanent as a temporary government program."
Unless it's the Child Tax Credit or any other program that helps the poor and disenfranchised. Then it disappears REALLY quickly.
"Miss my train" is a pretty brittish answer to "what would you do if a terrorist was here at the trainstation?"
He's an actor! That explains everything. It's like when you find out that someone is Canadian.
Or left-handed.
@@antoniofernandes9663 Or just Left.
All Canadians are actors actually. We aren't supposed to tell you this, but Canada is actually a false flag operation by the Illuminati to discredit America. Ever notice there are no mentions of Canada before 1867?
@@SonofSethoitae Honestly, I'm surprised we haven't been discovered yet. I mean we literally just took a native American word for village and spelled it differently. The detail work was pretty sloppy.
SonofSethoitae 😂✌️🎃🇨🇦 our home and native land
"How long are you going to be checking people's bags?"
"Shift ends at 4."
lolol I thought she meant "How long is the search of my bag going to take?"
"The good have nothing to hide"
No. The law abiding have nothing to hide, and laws are not inherently good.
👏👏👏
No. Everyone has something to hide, just nobody realizes what until the world knows.
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
HANG THE POPE
But what is good? Some of these terrorists genuinely believe that they're good, even though they're brainwashed and kill hundreds of people.
TSA officer: "Occupation?"
Me, strong German accent: "No, only holiday!"
Haha I can imagine the agent not getting the joke at all and repeating the question.
H. Sch. This sounds copied, but if it’s not, I would certainly nominate this comment of the year 2019 😂
seriously hilarious 🤣
@@definitiveentertainment1658 It is an old english joke with a German going to France. Makes a lot more sense that way.
I swear, I might do that. I'm German and we don't really worry about safety that much. We feel generally save, but man I need to try this, even though I don't have a German accent when speaking English.
@@xmlthegreat I mean, the TSA is staffed by the finest dropouts in the country
I have never known a time when going to the airport did not mean and invasion of personal privacy. I have never known a time when the United States of America was not at war with another country.
Unrelated, but nice Makoto pfp.
At the risk of being put on a watchlist, I think it's probably around time for our reign of terror to end. Not through revolution, no, certainly not. Me suggesting that would be a violation of 18 U.S. Code § 2385, and me being a law-abiding citizen of the United States, I would absolutely not condone it if some sort of socialist rebellion occurred. Not at all. What a national tragedy that would be.
Knit Fine I remember a time, a very short time when I was a child. I got to fly on a plane before 9/11 happened, I think it was actually earlier that same year, I was about 4 or 5, I was allowed to sit in the cockpit with the pilot after we landed, he let me pretend like I was flying the plane and put the pilot cap on me, we pretended that the plane had machine guns 😂 that would never happen now. My dad has pictures. I’ll always cherish that memory, and it saddens me now as an adult to think that if I decide to have children in the next few years, they’ll never experience something like that.
"We've always been at war with Eurasia."
@@stanj85 -We've always been at war with Eurasia.-
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
Ugh, US customs is the most anxious experience. It's like a game where only one team has access to the rule book, everyone else has to guess based on their opponent's behavior. Oh, and the stakes can become arbitrarily high.
That's how Orwellian stuff works
I went to florida last year and I have autism, there was no warning about how much confusing crap they would put you through, just got off an 8 hour flight, I was super tired and bam 3 hour queue and an automated checkpoint that failed which meant waiting even longer, that automated system failing made me really anxious and I was almost at the point where I almost cried (which is something that I don't think I've done for years xD) and almost got to the point where I just wanted to shout I have a bomb or some shit because I already felt like I was being criminalised from all the moving around and shit that was going on. It's honestly fucking terrible. What's even worse is I went to spain quite recently and due to being in europe customs is super easy and simple... But now I'm fucking scared of what's going to happen after brexit, what if I need to go to another country in Europe, how much paperwork am I going to have to do, all this probably hasn't stopped a single attack either.
Even scarier when you have said some not so innocent things on the internet.
ohh right aren't they trying to get that thing in where they ask for you social media or something?
Erm Gerd Then what are they planning to do with people who aren't using facebook, instragram or twitter (like myself)? Also, it's not hard to make a separate account for activity that could be interpreted as dubious, so what's the point? They wouldn't check for terrorists, only for stupid terrorists à la evil villain broadcasting their evil plan beforehand.
In America certain High schools, one being Parkland, are now requiring students to use clear or mesh backpacks so they theoretically can't bring a gun to school. (Not really going to help prevent an AR 15 from getting into a school since thats too big to fit in a backpack but I digress.) Kids are pretty pissed off that they don't get to have privacy at school. One boy realized this could be particularly embarassing for people who menstruate that don't want everyone to see tampons and pads in their backpacks so he bought a crap-ton of menstrual products and stuffed his bag full so anyone can go to him to get a tampon or pad if they need it. Now he's the school Menstrual Santa Claus.
shout out to that school's Menstrual Santa Claus. *hear* *hear*
Those bags better be given out by the school. It's ludicrous to expect every family to go out of their way to get a very specific kind of backpack for their kid, especially a kind that is a pretty niche product under normal circumstances
agreed
@Tyler Hill Yeah I live here Parkland won't allow their school to look like a prison, they're very particular.
That's a true comrade :)
70% of my body is liquid. Not today, TSA
I chuckled. :)
"Every time someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocent people die." - Captain America.
This applies on a lesser scale.
This is why it frustrates me when ppl start going on about how Stark was right. No he wasn't. The reason they lost to Thanos 1st go round wasn't because they hadn't built some doomesday shield, it's because they had Broken Apart. They WERE the S.H.I.E.L.D. and they were a pretty ineffectual one when 1 half couldn't be around, let alone work with, the other!
So... wait... are Infinity War and End Game basically a metaphor for intersectional activism?
Innocent people die in wars anyway though?
I remember being able to cross the Canadian border with nothing more than a state issued ID card and a couple of questions answered. Last time I tried to go through, I was turned back.
"We would let you in," the very polite border agents explained, "but we don't think you have the credentials necessary to get back into the US."
That is how crazy the USA has become; another country is more accommodating to it's citizens that it is.
another nail in the coffin of the land of the free in my honest opinion.
What's weird though is that I just flew from Canada to the USA and only dealt with American customs at the Canadian airport. I didn't have to do a thing when I landed in the US, the plane just let us off in a regular part of the airport. Very different from a trip to the UK a year ago, when I was in a long line at Gatwick upon landing.
A reason for that could be that the US and Canada have similar border arrangements as the channel tunnel between the UK and France. the only custom control there is on the french side of the tunnel, however this control is organised by the UK. so essentialy you are dealing with the customs of the UK before you travel there. I don´t know the specifics of US/Can Customs but it might be something similar.
@@emfkeiman777 You are probably right. I was just surprised how easy the border crossing part was. I spoke to the customs guy in Ottawa for maybe 30 seconds.
Yeah i can picture. Honestly as a dutchie, born after schengen and having never truly experienced border control while on holiday, i can only imagine how long it could take in the UsA.
There's a very large, serious sign in the Burbank airport that says "no joking". I don't typically feel the urge to make distasteful jokes in an airport, but after seeing that sign it was all I wanted to do and all I could think about.
I took a photo of a sign in Ireland that read "No Photography" in Irish and English. The Irish word for photography is really long lol
Don't think about Elephants.
@@stefanjoeres7149 what if there's one in the room
"Only then do I get to go to a better place... or in this case, America".
Damn, the tea is hot
this is fukkin sad even for me, and I'm Russian...
hold on, American comrades)) we will liberate our countries eventually.
@@jan_kisan Gorbachev is that you?
@@jan_kisan, set the date, comrade.
I laughed at this joke like it was a half hour comedy routine x')
I just wanna take a moment to thank all of you here (and not just Oliver). This channel is one of those few places on the internet where there is an actual discussion which does not fall into pointless name-calling or pre-fabricated "arguments". Thank you guys for actively thinking and engaging with the videos! Let's keep this up!
No pointless name calling? What about "camps. Concentration camps". You know, that's what he calls detention centers for people who ILLEGALLY enter the United States. I guess the "camps" were ok under Obama, but if Orange Man allows it to continue, then it's an outrage, correct?
@@justinlloyd6455 ok boomer
@@justinlloyd6455 Legality and morality are philosophically unrelated. It was ILLEGAL to exercise freedoms as a gypsy or Jew in Nazi Germany- that didn't make it WRONG. The situations are not identical; there are important differences, but, descriptive categorization (camps) is not meaningless. Finally, he never said anything about Trump's vs. Obama's policies- or made the claim that either one's actions were necessarily MORE morally reprehensible.
Boomer.
@@justinlloyd6455 way to put forward a false premise of leader worship in your fallacious argument. Who decides what is illegal? Why do you assume I am "okay" with camps under Obama? You assume I have blind faith towards liberals and people of color based solely on identity politics? Perhaps that is your projection. They are camps, where populations are concentrated. Why do you take issue with the term "concentration camp?" Is it because of the connotation that you do not want to be connected to? In Nazi Germany, being a free Jew was ILLEGAL, and therefore *under the law* it was entirely justified to put them in camps. There is no difference between those camps and our camps, and I think you know this, and are actively trying to deny the connection. You see the name calling as pointless and that's your imperative. I will call things as *I* see them, and I see the new Nazis. I see you, Nazi. Unfortunately I either seem to know more about your intentions than you do, or you are purposefully obfuscating your position to seem less... well, Nazish.
Thanks for being a thanker! ❤️
'wearing a mask in public is perfectly legal' hits different in 2020
it's your right (to wear a mask)! Yep, seems weird how now all those people are so enthusiastic about not wearing them xD
One of the better things coming from this pandemic in my country.
In Germany we have a mask prohibition, so that individuals could be identified better.
But since corona, no cop will stop you from wearing one.
Last year i was out while there was snow-rain (sleet?) And a cop, of course with his lady partner, stopped me and told me to take my mask off. And he was in the right, it was against the law.
In Canada, covering your face is illegal, but mostly unenforced. You must be recognizable. I read in the news recently, that some guy got arrested for wearing a winter hood. It was windy - 30 °C... The guy was innocent. The police were suspended for abuse. lol They took the law to the letter.
@@redfruit1993z By that logic, half the people in my cross country club would get arrested lol.
Wearing a mask is very good for health and safety…
Fun behind the scenes fact: that's me playing the saxophone at the end!
Iconic
Play guitar instead. 😎
jazz for your soul
Then who plays it at the beginning?
*crush intensifies*
My fav quote about privacy is "I have nothing to hide, but I'm still wearing trousers" :)
As a black American women who traveled dozens of times a year, my life has been an interesting experiment in who TSA pays attention to. When I wear my hair in braids or semi-straightened going through TSA is a breeze. When I wear my hair natural with a fro like cut, I get pulled out of line, asked bogus questions that aren't even in accordance with TSA, even when I have TSA pre.
Watching this as an Israeli is causing me some MAJOR cognitive dissonance. I'm a person who finds great value in questioning systems and beliefs so when I found myself having a very strong reaction to the video for no apparent reason I took a step back and realised that this concept is one of the only things in my life I have NEVER questioned.
Still need to do research on the topic to form an actual opinion of my own but I wanted to thank you for opening my eyes to a piece of state propaganda I hadn't previously noticed was installed in me.
I hadn't even considered that any of this /wasn't/ normal. I was born in 2001, the first time I was ever in an airport was last year. I've never even thought to wonder when bag searches will stop, because it's all I've ever known.
"I was eight years old when 9/11 happened"
Everyone: Starts doing integral calculus to determine current age
K9 Kompanion 25
pageant what month was he born?
Subtraction
@@QuikVidGuy Oct, Nov, or december
I was 25 when 9/11 actually happened... yikes.
I've never conciously experienced a time before 9/11, so it seems crazy to me that there was a time where you could get on a plane without all the security measures. Don't know if things will ever go back to the way they were, so I'm excited to watch this video to hear your thoughts
It's crazy for me to think there are people who can't remember before that. I was nine when it happened but even then it changed everything radically even in the smallest corners of America. No one felt safe anymore.
Not only could you take liquids on, all they had was the baggage x-ray and a metal detector. Not the full-body scanners like today.
Anne Thomassen
What’s even crazier, is that I was almost 20 when 9/11 happened...and yet I take all this completely for granted now. Just like computers and cellphones. I have to make a very conscious effort to remember what the world was like 20 or 25 years ago...it somehow feels like things have always been the way they are now.
So weird.
Shit, you used to be able to carry knives on planes.
It's so weird yeah, I was 5 during 9/11 and while I have memories from preschool and even very tiny memories from before preschool but I don't have a memory that's like "this is when things were Different" and I don't even remember finding out about 9/11
The TSA also does a piss poor job of actually keeping people safe lol, they truly only function as an inconvenience
Will Hickman there was a point in our history where nearly 160 hijackings happened in American airspace in four years. There have been less than 50 since 9/11.
@@caesarspeaks Wasn't that because universal screening wasn't introduced until 1972? The TSA certainly wasn't present at that time.
Also to create the illusion of complete safety for the passengers. (I just made a comment about this on this video, but it will probably get burried)
@@caesarspeaks that is so vague as to be made up
@@caesarspeaks There was a point in hour history where nearly 160 hijackings happened in American airspace in four years. There have been less than ten since I graduated high school.
Therefore I am the ultimate defender of airports, and terrorists quake in fear at the mere thought of me.
Or correlation=/=causation. Gotta be one of the two
We're on the cusp of full fledged fascism, security is like one of those mechanisms that get stuck in one position and can't go back the other way, only get more tightened, basically handcuffs, just without a key.
You mean zipties?
The first time I ever took the plane, it was a trip to London with my school, and there was this girl who was too young to have an ID and got a substitute document from her parents. Problem was, she had actually turned the right age for an ID two days before the flight, not enough to get the ID, but enough to turn the other document null. The airport security guy in Brindisi, where we were departing (small airport in a medium sized city in South Italy) said "We have no issues with letting her on the plane with this document, we know she's not a threat, she's just turned 15, come on. The problem is that the airport security in London won't care, to them even a baby is a potential bomb, she won't be able to board back to Italy and who knows what's gonna happen next".
It pretty much sums up the state of security imho, and that was 10 years ago: because of a technicality, a 15yo high schooler could have been stuck in another country for likely weeks, maybe even months, because she could be seen as a national threat.
The problem with questioning security guards or people performing searches, is they are just tiny cogs in a much larger machine. It's like yelling at a customer service rep about company policy. They didn't make the policy and they can't change it, they're just getting paid to do a job because they need to make a living. The small cogs can be popped out and replaced without affecting the machine. If any of us want to change things, we need to look at what makes the machine run and figure out how to turn off the power to it.
Agree. The guard is searching your bag because that's his job. He is paid to do it by his employer. He doesn't know why he needs to do it in the grand scheme of things, but he does know that he needs to pay his bills and feed his kids.
Yup, I'm just following orders when I do bag search, and trying very hard to do it really fast yet effectively.
Keeping the line moving is important.
Things like knives or pepper spray (in a venue), well, it's obvious why those cannot come in.
Good luck: Democracy is a tool of 2 over 1.
The catch?
2 over 1 against the established.
Those who know and care are outnumbered by the ignorant and foolish.
You're likely one of them, the foolish ones i mean, hell, so am i.
That's how it works.
I think to stop the machine, you should put yourself into the mechanism, fall among those gears, grind that shit to a halt, and tell the people who run it to set you free, or you're never going to get out and unclog it.
It worked for that one lone person at Tiananmen Square, standing in front of a convoy of tanks. The powers that be don't want to be seen crushing innocents.
@transylvanian So you are comparing Nazi soldiers with security guards. Aight, guess confiscating a knife or a bottle of water is the same as killing and/or raping I guess.
"The news that they have nothing to fear is enough to strike fear into the hearts of innocents everywhere" ~ Terry Pratchett
I once took someone to a museum that has bag checks and metal detectors at the door and didn't even remember them until we got there; forgetting to tell him about them as well. I quickly went through because I am used to there being security at the museums in my area (DC). He was stopped because he had a multi-tool in his pocket (also a chain and padlock attached to his wallet and keys, but that's just this guy being... himself). Internally, I questioned why he had it with him and expected security to at least hold it until he left if not confiscate it or turn him away. I was shocked when the guard let him in with it. Then I remembered that this was a white man with a slight southern accent, wearing cargo pants and work boots. The rules were bent for him because he was not seen as a threat.
Oh don't forget that for a one-time fee of $80, you can be treated in an airport like a human being.
Wow...that was an impressive video. I was born in 2002, so my world has been one with a lack of privacy (growing up in America, I've known extreme security, bag searches, cameras everywhere, and now a lack of privacy of data). It's never occurred to me that we don't need such tight security. I'm very angry at the way immigration is handled in my country, but I've just never known how my country can decrease security. The idea that it both hasn't always been this way and that it doesn't need to be this way in the future is very eye-opening. Thank you.
I'm always sceptical of someone telling me that they're here to protect me from something, and that I need to submit my freedoms to them as a precaution. It may very well be that they are the threat and not the saviour.
Privacy is one of the biggest concern we should have nowadays. Unfortunately, it is counter-intuitive to think that even if we have nothing to hide, we should not show everything. Here is a terrible example of what happened in France:
After the sadly famous terrorist attacks of November 2015, the president François Hollande declared the emergency state. This emergency states granted police a lot of new privileges that weren't usually allowed, like the possibility to enter your house or to lock you in without a judge approval.
A couple of months after, the famous COP 21 was happening in Paris (creation of the Paris agreement). The police didn't find any terrorists in France but searched hundreds of eco-activists houses and house arrested dozens.
While Paris agreement was considered a success on the politic stage, it was a huge defeat for privacy and democracy.
Because, strictly IMO of course, privacy - IRRESPECTIVE of why it is used - is hiding, period.
I think the problem is we've allowed ourselves to, in part, to be tricked, or eased into this flawed thinking that hiding is inherently bad - when it is used for both good, and bad and used ALL THE TIME. This has allowed us to lose track that even things like not exposing sensitive information, is hiding, and that's perfectly OK.
A very narrow scopes directly involving you and information you might or might not know, again just my opinion, is the only area where "nothing to hide" makes any sense - as outside of that scope, it becomes way, way too ambiguous.
While I definately agree with all these comments and the video about how our security measures have gotten out of hand, just the practices of frisking and searching, while possibly very uncomfortable or embarassing, is something that I personally would not feel safe without. Whenever a problem occurs in society, the first thing we should always do is take measures to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'm sure 9/11 and plenty of past attacks before wouldn't have occured with those precautions. I'm not saying I support our security as it exists right now in society with the racial profiling and everything, I'm just saying I support the idea of security itself (within reason or course). Maybe I just have less faith in humans than you idk
Wow that's crazy. No one talk about this stuff any more. It was much more in public consciousness 10 or 15 years ago.
"I'm sure 9/11 wouldn't have happened with the present measures" is an argument that revolves in the "realm of the maybe", where anything is justifiable; and that's the whole point. Maybe it wouldn't have happened, maybe it would have been even worse. Or maybe an alien would have gone down on the whole East Coast with an oversized phaser gun.
With today's security measures, ceramic knives pass through security easily and yet are still knives. The limits on liquids aren't so that you can't make a bomb, they're arbitrary and designed to make people feel safe, as a "security by annoyance" measure I guess?
Also, of course, 9/11 wouldn't have happened with today's security, because today's security is a direct response to the attacks. If tomorrow you wanted to commit a terrorist attack you wouldn't bring a bomb inside a plane and strap it to yourself, since you'd get caught by airport security. In that sense, airport security is obsolete by its very existence, but necessary as a detergent.
And it seems to me that all "guilty until proven innocent" measures rely on the knowledge of all possible ways somebody might commit a terrorist attack, which there might be an infinite amount - therefore those measure are kind of designed to fail, and aren't future-proof, the same very future that we're trying to protect ourselves against. But they've been generally accepted as good and necessary because the citizens have deemed it "safer than before".
It's hard to think about a security system that would respect privacy and the individual's right to remain innocent until proven guilty, because we don't have that yet, and so people do reply with "but if you don't have people searching and frisking, how can they intercept terrorists?".
@@SolarLiner But the thing is that "maybe" in the realm of maybe is going to remain fairly likely as long as we have ridiculously lax gun laws, and we're constantly making enemies by trying to blow them up. These are obviously the root causes of our terrorism that need to be sorted as well as rebuilding our justice system from the ground up, but these aren't exactly things that would take less than a year to accomplish. And I don't see the argument of "terrorists wil just find another way" as being any different than "We shouldn't have gun limits cause criminals will just find other ways." And even if we acheive the things I said earlier, we should always have precautions to ensure people are safe, because saving people from potential embarassment isn't worth the immense loss of life, even if it's a rare occurence.
We are so afraid and obsessed with safety that we have serialized life to the point that everyone barely feels alive anymore!
We are a culture of fear. I'm American that's just what think.
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Yea.. I'm a hypocrite I know lol
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Agreed. I think we can should definitely take cautionary measures but know when we are going overboard. For example this whole war on terror thing that has been at the forfront of foreign policy sense I can remember.
The world is in a culture of fear, for the most part.
Yet, i look around, and i've never seen a fight in my life aside from that one time i jammed a stool-leg through someone's leg but that's another story entirely.
War, terrorism, murder, rape, violence, theft, robbery, assault, and _so much fucking more,_ RIGHT ON YOUR DOORSTEP, WITH THIS HANDY THING CALLED THE INTERNET! :D
Democracy's turned against you, the media hounds you with stories of death and horror, and your friends and family spread the fire like it's cotton candy.
*WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY, I NEED TO SEE YOUR BAG MA'AM.*
Fear is the greatest form of control.
1. Cause fear
2. Make the people want more security.
3. Manipulation and less power to the people.
“A better place... or in this case..... America”
😭😂
How to watch an Olly video:
1. Watch the video.
2. Cry and think.
3. Watch the video again.
To summarize spouting words "or questions?" without saying nothing is enough to make you confused.
I do not understand what you are saying.
I'm sorry, I just described what he did in the video, spouting definitions about security while trying to downplay the threats, ironically he's concerned about the well being of masked thugs know as Anti-fa. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a member.
Yes of course you are right, because a) it is possible to protect ourselves against terrorism and b) fascism is not a real threat.
@@worldpeace8299 sarcasm?
I've always found the liquid situation really stupid. You can just buy a bottle of Jack Daniel's at the Duty Free and you got yourself a molotov
Don't you need a flame for that?
You can bring lighters on a plane
Excuse me what the fuck
I don't 40% abv is strong enough to make a Molotov
It's absurdity. They must be doing some kind of psychological screening. Liquids can be separated into smaller individual containers. 9 Oz of toothpaste is not allowed but three 3 Oz tubes are.
I was 16 when it happened...didn't really understand the gravity of the event either.
I think it's less to do with age, and more to do with not being an American...a terrorist attack happens way over there in faraway America, you don't really think it will have an effect on you directly.
Violence happens everywhere all the time, everywhere, when I was nine the Rwandan genocide was going on, it was far more horrid and deadly then 9/11...it had little effect on anyone who wasn't directly involved. approximately about the same time the war in Bosnia was happening, it didn't have an effect on me despite being in the close geographical location, compared to the far away U.S.
so when 9/11 happened, it was just another act of violence in a very violent world, it didn't really catch my attention, it didn't really affect me in any way, life goes on.
who cared about what happens in America, Africa or the Balkans, it's far away...what made me pay attention to it were the global repercussions that directly affected everyone everywhere. apparently American lives are worth more than anyone's else lives.
We are a nation of wealth and privilege. And on any given day, a rich man will say "To hell with the world's poor." But once misfortune touches him, the world will shift to suit his needs.
Being an American citizen carries an enormous responsibility considering how much power we have in the world. Responsibility we neglect most of the time. Most people in America don't understand that. And so millions of people suffer for it.
Well, when it happened I knew immediately that it would be weaponised by the right, and the world's illiberal forces and that it would also lead to a series of unjustifiable foreign invasions. That's exactly what happened.
And nobody mentions the bombing of Kabul just one or two days afterwards.
When 9/11 happened, my country had been fighting islamic terrorism for 10 years. I remember my father saying : "hopefully they'll understand our situation and help us now, arabs won't have to fight this alone anymore".
Well... :p
Yeah, anytime something happens in the news here, you only hear how many Americans were killed or injured. It shouldn’t matter they were American but for some reason it does.
You described, in a single comment, the frustration I get from older people being indifferent to violence and simultaneously, exposing the reason behind my frustration towards any kind of violence in the world. 9/11 was probably the first world event I remember, being a child when it happened, and I also thought it was insignificant. Until they started broadcasting Iraq. How furiously my grandfather reacted and told me "this was the end of the world". Then Afghanistan. And Kazakhstan. Palestina. Syria. Yemen. Since then violence and injustice have become increasingly important denominators in my life. America set the example that no crime should go unpunished, but the crime turned out to be executed by the victim. Is it then not natural for me and many others to desire the so-called victim to be punished for its subsequent actions and violence it has sowed upon the world?
It angers me deeply that child slavery in D.R. Congo is being neglected so we can have dialogues and debate our freedoms on a digital platform, yet when an ex-intelligence agent goes rogue and damages a freakin tower the whole world has to pay for it. This is the demonstration of power and a threat that anyone who disagrees will be off without their head.
"the good have nothing to hide"
That depends a great deal on who's doing the searching.
"If you see anything suspicious" ... "See it, say it, sorted."
As someone who travels on trains a lot, as much as I love trains and the people who run them, every time I read an article talking about how someone called the police on someone for looking queer, or any story of violence against my kin being stood by and watched by authorities, I can't help but quiver at this call for people to ask themselves if they FIND ME SUSPICIOUS. Intimidating.
It's happened before, to my face, not in train stations yet though. Several times, though. I wonder if it's happened in train stations, and got dismissed before anyone deemed it necessary to even let me know. I wonder how many times I've secretly been identified as suspicious, in general. I fucking stick out like a sore thumb, no matter whether I like it or not! Certainly don't cut the least intimidating figure no matter how much I might fearfully dress down on a scared day.
Huh. The mere fact that I get "scared days". That being a thing. Easy to forget how abnormal that's supposed to be. I don't really have the option of going under the radar, with my size and shape and my disabilities. If I wasn't white I'd probably be in major fucking trouble. Not that I'm exactly "thankful" since other people being harmed in my place isn't exactly a comfort. It shouldn't happen at all, to anyone.
And, just... that... fucking SLOGANISM. GAH! Fucking does my head in. "See it, say it, sorted" like a fucking theme chant, as if it's advertizing a bloody brand of chocolate bar or something. FUCK that. Fuck that in general, but ESPECIALLY when it comes to services that should NEVER be made to feel like products being sold. Just that very, bloody attitude it gets right on my tits. HATE it. Wish they'd untack that off the end of it and just be straightforward, even if what they're doing in the first place isn't fair to begin with, it's just that ending it with that is like... it's almost a taunt, a fucking taunt. Makes me so angry. Sorry I got angry.
I generally speaking have a good time on trains, honestly. Don't want this to go against that impression.
"See it, say it, sorted" could be straight out of movies like Equilibrium where the populace is encouraged to notify the authorities about people that are suspected to have emotions. A slogan of a totalitarian utopia.
Wow, I always thought "See it, say it, sorted." was in regards to suspicious packages/unattended luggage. I never realized some people applied it to other people. Yikes! 😬
@@TheMrVengeance I mean, that is the intent. Not that anything I said was wrong or anything, but I think I was being a bit paranoid maybe when I wrote that.
I was in college. A friend called me frantic and woke me up telling me the Twin Towers were gone. I couldn't tell if she was laughing or crying. I thought she was telling me about some kind of fantastic magic trick. I almost said "that's great." Then I hurried to the TV room, which was filled with other college kids, and got there just in time to see (don't know if it was live or on video) the 2nd tower fall.
I'm from NYC so as soon as I could I called my parents and luckily got ahold of them quicker than most. My dad worked at the Empire State Building. He was turned away when he got to work, as the only 2 buildings taller than that had just been destroyed and he had to walk 3 miles back home. I then saw my girlfriend (now my wife) was on AOL Instant Messenger. I told her to go turn on the TV. I didn't have it in me to tell her why. She asked which channel and I told her any channel. That was when she found out something serious was happening.
My sister in law had to walk home from the Wall Street area over the Brooklyn Bridge. She watched the towers fall from the bridge. She had to do that again in the blackout a few years later. Typical New Yorker, her reaction was "Next time I'm taking the Manhattan Bridge, the Brooklyn Bridge is too crowded during disasters."
I went home to NYC a month later for fall break. Downtown was still covered in dust. Most of the barriers were not up yet, so it was full of people just wondering around what looked like a war zone in my own city. The image that stood with me most was a car covered in ash and in the ash on the back window someone wrote "nuke em all". That scared me.
The first time I flew was shortly after that. A lot of my family wanted me to cancel the trip, nervous to have me fly so soon after 9/11. I pointed out that this was the safest time ever to be on a plane, everyone was watching everything. The TSA was in the process of being created and they were dealing with new security regulations they didn't fully think through. I flew out of a small airport and not a lot of people were there. Airport security looked so uncertain of what was even expected of them. They found my nail clippers with a file on them and were going to ask a supervisor if I was allowed through with them. I told then not to bother, they could just throw them out.
I was lucky enough not to lose anyone that day. But I don't think there is a New Yorker who doesn't have friends who lost loved ones or loved ones who lost friends. I had both. My dad lost friends and my friend lost his favorite uncle.
That's really intense, 9/11 is one of my first memories. I live in Northern New Jersey and it was my first day of pre-school, my dad was supposed to be in the city that day for work but stayed home to take me to school. I just remember him watching the television terrified all day. I know what you mean though with everyone I knew had some connection to someone lost through 9/11. It's so weird now I'm in University in a different state and realizing that other people don't really talk about outside the tri-state, really weird feeling.
I like how the development of philosophytube is watching Olly slowly move to the left of the screen
like the ancient aliens guy being very slowly abducted
Is it a visual metaphor? :think:
soon he'll be so far left that... oh wait
Shorter answer: never, as long as the American Empire exists. The military-industrial complex has too much political and economic clout, and won't get off the War on Terror/Security State gravy train until there's no more gravy to be had.
Somehow the phrase "political and economic clout" hurts me.
“political and economic clout”
God I love 2018
Don't worry. They're working day and night to destroy it.
DRAIN THE GRAVY!
Kevin Crady,
Or - as long as the people remain fooled...
"Which would seem to suggest that security may never go back to the way it was" over a shot of an American Airlines plane hit me where I live. I'm 50 this year and I remember when I was a kid, one parent would drop me off at the gate - actually watch me walk onto a plane - and the other would be waiting at the gate on the other end.
Then I grew up and, since I didn't work for the airlines like my dad, I didn't get on a plane again for a very long time. Until after 9/11. When I did, it was a traumatizing experience. The juxtaposition of my cheerful childhood memories with the cowed shuffling and suspicious glaring of the Security Theater was just too dissonant.
I absolutely adored the excerpt from A Scanner Darkly. One of my favourite PKD books, and a criminally underrated film.
was scrolling long for a comment about it... it's all criminally underrated
truth!
it's as if that quote waited for being used in this context
As a palestinian this issue you are discussing is a very negative experience for us. For me, an airport is a place of fear and anxiety. You might get rejected to enter the country even with having a visa stamp! Sometimes i want to travel with my non palestinian friends, some of them can travel to X country without a visa, some with a visa, but me? Tons of conditions and restrictions to acquire a visa and you'll get rejected eventually.. It is just very depressing, and painful to feel that the entire nations of the globe sees you as a national threat and use you as a scarecrow to impose fear on their own people! I keep asking myself why? I will never do any harm to anybody.. Why are you restricting innocent people just because they were born on XYZ identity?
You're a scapegoat for a global fascist empire which seeks to sap the strength of all resistance and establish an eternal hegemony for white men under the guise of Abrahamic benevolence.
That tends to happen when your government openly funds terrorism
As an israeli, i am very very sorry that these things happen to you. I think it's absolute bullshit that innocent people (especially innocent Palestinians) are being trampled over in the name of "security".
Reminds me of how the Japanese Americans were treated after Pearl Harbor.
Richard Grayson you mean like the CIA coups in south america and iran, or...?
I'm reminded of the movie Minority Report. In 2002, having a machine that could target individual people with supposed perfect accuracy who had not yet committed a crime was still considered a dystopia. But targeting millions of people with nearly perfect inaccuracy in predicting crimes (the terrorism that justifies so much of the control of migrants is committed by less than a fraction of a percent of the targeted population if that) is seen as necessary policy.
As an American though, I can't help but note there has been a kind of creeping expansion of this intrusive surveillance state since day 1. Fugitive slave acts prior to our civil war were used to justify search and seizure of both whites and blacks (as well as the quite horrific seizure of the blacks themselves regardless of their "innocence" from the "crime" of escaping slavery since the possible result of blacks not being "capable of freedom" had to be avoided). After slavery ended, surveillance didn't stop it just changed to limitations on freedoms and movements both subtle (ex: red-lining) and overt (Jim Crow Laws). Native peoples were put into camps and reservations through US history. Labor movements faced Pinkertons, then the FBI. Anti-war people were thrown in prison for their opinions, the Japanese for their ancestry, and millions of people in prisons for the drug war ("ah but they actually committed crimes" you reply to which I retort, "the justification for making drugs a crime is the possibility of a more serious crime, the analogy still holds"). And where the punishments and the control never end, such as the recent push to remove "violent" offenders from being able to receive food stamps or the fact that in most states no felons can ever vote again.
It's thoughts like these that make me reconsider the idea that my country was "conceived in liberty". That maybe the ever expanding security state and new and inventive ways to cause suffering to people who haven't yet been convicted of a crime is more the heart of what the United States really is. A state that "secures liberty" for particular classes by crushing that of so many others. But hey, at least we get to choose what color iPhone we get.
Olly's monologue at 21:30 was from Phillip K. Dick's "A Scanner Darkly", PKD also wrote the short story that became the movie "Minority Report."
+Philosophy Tube
Please pin this guy's comment.
It's kind of funny though, in the book that became Minority Report the situation was just... fixed using his authority. It was called "Minority Report" because the three psychics each produced different predictions, and the machine synthesised the "truth" by using the majority opinion. But in his case, it was the ~minority report~ (in opposition to the ~majority report~) that was correct, which is that he's not a crimer, because his own knowledge of the future of the machine stops it. And they just neatly put it in a box by going "well only a director like you could ever be in that position, so the system still works. hooray" and he gets to retire and have private helicopter flights. But in the movie he's like... forced into doing other crimes by the pursuit of the idea he might do a crime he has no intention of. Which is in some ways more appropriate for the era it was produced in.
But the country WAS conceived in liberty. The problem is that over the years our freedoms were slowly chipped away by power hungry individuals looking to manipulate the system any way they could to get what they wanted.
I was 19 when 9/11 happened. Worked at an elementary school. That was the day that opened my eyes to a lot of things in this country (the US).
It's funny that you're roughly the same age as those kids at the school when that happened, Olly. I wasn't allowed to say anything about the attack to them officially. I did anyway. They were really scared and it was downright abusive that all the staff at the school would get quiet whenever they brought it up. Sometimes I think about them. The kids who grew up with their childhood darkened by 9/11 and how they were left to work it out for themselves by an institution that has the gall to call itself educational.
I was eleven when 9/11 happened, so I had just started sixth grade. (I had just turned eleven the week before, actually.) By the time I got to homeroom all the teachers were in an emergency meeting. Teacher rolled into class like fifteen minutes late, told everybody to sit down, dragged the TV up to the front of the room, and then just sat next to it in a chair looking shell-shocked. Never turned it on-- later I figured out that the school was still trying to decide if they should tell us what was happening and if so how, so she didn't have the go-ahead to turn the news on.
An announcement came on over the speakers to tell us that "a great-- a very unfortunate-- a serious tragedy" had occurred, there was a moment of silence, and then they told us to go on with our day. Columbine had just been a couple of years before, so something similar was what we were all pretty sure had happened, except maybe in our local area. The kids who had siblings in high school were highly stressed out. But I guess none of the teachers were emotionally prepared to do anything, and all the kids were stressed out and confused, and at least in my case the homeroom teacher never dismissed us to other classes and the bell never rang, so. After a couple of hours in essentially limbo another announcement came that they were just... sending us all home for the day.
Got home before noon, where my mother was in the living room watching the second tower fall over and over again. My younger brother was sent up to his room before he could watch it, but my mom decided I was old enough to know what was happening. My parents were separated at the time, and I had no idea where in the country my father was, but from the way my mother kept trying to call him and losing her composure when she couldn't connect I knew he was in the one of the locations that had been hit.
We watched the coverage all day. I don't remember what we told my brother. I remember reading him Edgar Allen Poe with a flashlight after bedtime, because we were those kids and he liked the Pit and the Pendulum and I liked the routine of reading a scary story I knew the end of.
The next couple of months at school we kept having announcements and assemblies about how we were not living in an area with any high-priority targets, so we were probably safe. No, we can't talk about what happened or why. Please focus on algebra and vocabulary lessons. Please watch this video of the President. Please learn these terrorism alert levels, don't worry, you will never live in a time when the color is green so you don't need to know what it means. Let's all recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Do you feel safe yet? Please stop freezing and staring at the sky every time an airplane passes overhead, we are close enough to an airport that it's inevitable and we all find your irrational child anxiety very upsetting. Time for a safety drill-- no, none of this will keep you safe you from an airplane, or a bomb, or anyone who really wants to get in, actually. Don't come to school today; we can't tell you why.
In retrospect, the combination of watching people jump out of a slowly collapsing building from a billion stories up and slowly becoming a teenager in the Bush Administration's Security Nightmare, as a child at juuuust the right age to know what was happening without reeeeeally having the emotional maturity to process it, probably contributes to my ongoing attitude of mild distaste towards large-scale disasters like this. School shooting? Sucks, but I'm not surprised. Terrorist attack? Yeah, okay, sounds normal. Massively mishandled natural disaster? Typical.
They were right: we never needed green. We never even needed blue.
It's weird what you get used to.
It's weird how thing stop being scary when they're normal.
Reading Poe by flashlight.
Fifty people dead.
I was born in the mid 70s and grew up with the IRA blowing up towns and cities every so often. So the UK has always had bag x-rays and body metal detectors for me.
@@Sciosa I was like five or so when the planes hit. Funny story actually, because we were at my grandparents and watched some TV and my Mother came around the corner into the living room and chastised my father and the rest of the adultes for watching some catastrophe movie with us, the children. Turns out it was running on every channel.
I barely left germany for all my life, btw. None of the people I knew at the time had visited the US, as far as I know. So we weren't personal hit by that emotional impact. Although I remember being somewhat agitated just by the general stress the adults were producing. We went home pretty soon after that.
I quickly developed the same response to disasters as you, but maybe going a step further. I pretty much detested any notion of emotional distress by us unconnected germans to 9/11. There were only about 3000 dead, we would barely be talking about them if they weren't americans and if their death hadn't been live broadcasted for days on repeat. This resentment of course only grew stronger with the war(s) and the increasing security bullshit everywhere. That US-Servicemen were killing innocents with remote-controlled drones from german soil (and still are) didn't help either.
The only thing that 9/11 really changed is the attitude of americans that war never touches their soil. That it is only exported, that no bomb will ever touch the land of the free. Living in a land where almost every historical plaque anywhere has a section with "was bombed during WW2", where more than 2 bombs from the world war a found per day, where tens of thousands of tons of munition still fester in the sea, where white phosphorus still causes burn victims every year, that idea always irrationally infuriated me.
I mean rationally I would never wish real harm on most americans. I mean most people in the twin towers had nothing to do with anything and were exploited office workers like everyone else. But them dieing sometimes felt like sticking it to the man, in some perverted way. I guess that shows how stupidly deep national sentiment is engrained in my mind.
Sorry, for rambling. I wish you the best.
I'm 18 right now, so I wasn't even born back then. It's so weird thinking that there was a time where there wasn't all those silly restrictions in airports.
Second time I'm watching this, still an amazing video. However, your point about *temporary* measures made me think about one such measure in particular, namely armed police. Norway traditionally haven't had armed police, but from November 2014 to February 2016 all Norwegian police officers carried their service weapons on them due to "heightened risk of terrorism" or something similar to it. Now, while it was going on, there was a pretty harsh reaction from most citizens in what was seen as (especially as the "temporary measure" kept going) an inherently more violent police force, and there were actively MPs nagging in parliament that "If this is temporary, it needs to end soon, and if it's permanent, it needs parliamentary mandate".
However, with the rise of airport security and anti-terrorism laws, people were actively mocking this effort. Police have been asking for years to get guns, and now that they had them, most people just assumed it would roll over and become as permanent as all the other measures. In the end though, the continuous pressure from both the opposition and the public lead to the disarming of police, and that kinda gives me hope. Hope that if we keep questioning "when will it end", keep talking about the necessity, and as you posit in your video "reject the premise of the question" that terrorism is inevitable, we can force a change back to normal, whatever that entails by now.
Cheers
I walked through security with a box cutter knife in my pocket, I'd forgotten it was there. It was detected, I told them they could keep it (they're cheap). They gave it back and I got on the plane. In the before time.
i'm tired olly. i'm so tired of my friends getting stopped and questioned in the name of security. my brain is so foggy from thinking about this violent yet completely naturalized process i can't think smart thoughts. i'm just sad
Hey, how are you doing now?
Me and my family booked our holiday flight ON THE DAY the August bomb plan was foiled, was pretty nerve wracking :O
DAAAAAANNG
BadMouse I love u! But also I have a similar coincidence bc my family did too :0
talk about flying by the seat of your pants
Can you please come back from the dead and start uploading? Im running out of content to watch. 😂
The militarization of police is also something that concerns me. As you point, escalation is always justified contingent, as a reaction to the weapons that the "bad guys" are using.
Rio de Janeiro is quite a laboratory for these policies. Not only the special operations police were created, there is a program called Pacifying Police Unit that lasted a decade, it put police units inside favelas to confront traffickers. The policy is quite flexible, and some commanders used it to help social programs, but it is also very oppressive over people, residents must show cops their IDs and sometimes even their whatsapp messages (something prohibited by law), while not stopping the shootings and lost bullets that claim a lot of lifes.
After the economic downturn, the state government fully surrendered the police control to the army, it is called "federal intervention" and it escalated the number of police and military confronts in the favelas. Without showing that it can effectively lower and prevent crime, and even with declarations from the general that the effect of these measures is quite limited, more than 60% of cariocas want the intervention to continue (according to a recent research from datafolha institute).
If the feeling of security is not something rational, and de-escalation is something very rare, I am afraid of the future escalation of these "security policies" , specially in unequal countries with vast peripheral populations - the necropolitics.
We've got a whole load of that going on in Ireland right now. There's been an increase of armed police at large public events in the last few years (I saw some guarding the route of Dublin Pride last year, and patrolling at a Queen gig this summer), and a recent revamping of police uniforms and organisation has lead to the formation of an armed response unit that patrols publicly, armed at all times, wearing tacticool outfits. I live very close to the police HQ and seeing these guys on the streets here is an almost daily occurrence. It's clearly meant to normalise us to the idea of having armed police.
Of course, within a few months of their unveiling, one of them managed to drop a bag with a sub machine gun in it out of their car while driving...
I really don’t recall seeing armed police on mainland UK during the IRA terrorism, even at its height.
Yeah, while mainland UK police forces aren't fully armed, the RUC went armed as a matter of course, and their successors the PSNI are all armed too. It was weird as hell being at a protest in Belfast about 4 years ago, having a line of police all with guns facing off against us, and being told that we were going to be filmed, and they were entitled to ask us for our contact details if they wanted to prosecute later
Lorcan Nagle It’s hideous how far the government goes when it knows it can get away with it.
@@lorcannagle doesn't sound odd to me but I'm from California the police where never unarmed in frontier California. Police in the country of San Diego are armed at all times even when they're off duty.
This really does feel like 1984 where things seem to just exist. You go to an airport and it seems like things have always been there, that they are just facts. But there was a time when that didn’t happen, and that confused me.
Young whipper-snapper, I remember when the entirety of airport security was, “Did you pack your own bags? Where they in your possession the entire time? Ok, hop on! Have a good trip!”
When i flew inside mexico i took off my shoes and security thought i was being weird.
When i flew inside the US security yelled over the crowd that if we had so much as lint in our pockets we'd be turned away.
A little surprised you didn't touch on security theater.
Thumbs up for the "A Scanner Darkly" quote at the end
yeah I wondered why that didn't get a credit like the other ones
Great video Olly!
I went with my family in 2000 to Europe from the US. We rented a car so we didn't have to park, drove it into the airport itself, dropped off the keys, took the elevator, went out to the gate, got on the flight and flew in. It was one continuous movement. I remember thinking about how marvelous modern transportation could be....
Airport security is the true dystopia of this time. In 2006 my dad (A police officer) was almost arrested for carrying my sister's baby cutlery - which was less sharp than the plastic cutlery provided. Two years ago, my friend travelled ahead if the rest of her family to stay with family in America and her mum had to give her classes on how to fill out her border declaration.
The idea that whatever action the state takes is inherently justifiable and it's up to us to prove definitively why our rights are important is a long running theme in our society :(. That's why the anarchist framework is so important.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin.
Loved this video, as always. I know Olly touched on 'camps' before and it's incredibly interesting to see how camps can be constructed and which rules are suspended in these camps.
A couple of years ago I was hospitalised against my will because of a suicide note a former classmate wrote in my name as a prank. I was apprehended by the police, put behind bars (literally, I should still have some pictures), without trial and without any chance to explain myself or to prove my innocence. Neither the police nor the doctors who did the admission were required to provide any proof that I was "endangering myself or others" and they were not required to give me an option to present any proof to the contrary.
While I was in there I spoke to doctors twice. The first time I told them I was not mentally ill and I did not want to kill myself. I was "diagnosed" with compulsive lying. The second time I refused to speak to them at all, and this the doctor said was a clear sign of "selective mutism" and that that meant I would have to be restrained, because I was a danger to myself. I think he gambled on the idea that I wouldn't know what selective mutism was and thus not argue. I did know what it was but I still didn't argue because I was terrified of being restrained (they did put the restraints on the bed but didn't restrain me, and I ended up sleeping on them for the rest of my stay there).
When my mother and I demanded I be given access to my medical records (which here in Germany all patients have a right to view at all times, minus the personal remarks of medical staff) we were denied. I still haven't seen the records to this day.
Any and all measures that were put in place to protect patient's rights (a judge having to sign off on patients being restrained after 24 hours, a legal counsel being present on behalf of the patient, access to medical records) were circumvented or plain ignored.
There is little to no actual diagnostic process in branding someone with a mental illness, and neither before, during, or after my imprisonment in that hospital did I ever undergo some kind of psychological or medical examination that would have proven the necessity of keeping me there. The people who decided I needed to be hospitalised were two police officers (not trained in dealing with the mentally ill in any way).
All that is a very roundabout way of saying that this rule reversal of "guilty until proven innocent" and the presumption that people are incapable, unwilling, or noncompliant in proving they are no security threat repeat themselves over and over again.
And now, here in my home state of Bavaria, a new law is debated which would allow the police to detain people in hospitals if they think they exhibit signs of mental illness that would not put themselves or others in danger (as it was before), but also if it would endanger anyone person's "legally protected interests or the common good", which, needless to say, is a pretty broad definition.
My next video is gonna be about mental illness and suicidality and it's gonna touch a little bit on stuff like this
Awesome! I know you'll do the issue great justice, really excited for that!
wow, didn't realize Germany was so backwards in terms of mental illness.
@@PhilosophyTube Olly and Chelsea, i recommend researching 'the pseudopatient study' by david rosenhan c1973. adam curtis also covers it in one of his documentary series (The Trap, Part 1: F*ck You Buddy).
it challenges the authoritarian paternal forces that set criteria for the DSM manual. i think you will find it relevant to both your concerns.
All my life, I've been the kind of person who asks, "Why is that done this way?" I don't think I'll ever have the cojones to say it to a security guard, though. Maybe when I'm older, who knows?
I’m from a very rural area and it was a huge culture shock to go to Chicago and see cops roaming around a concert with body armor and military grade rifles. When expressing my discomfort of being surrounded by people with guns and the authority to shoot someone without any real proof of wrongdoing, all my friends from the area informed me that that’s just how it is there.
I'm surprised that when you talked about the "good having nothing to hide" that often the "good" is illegal. Say a time when being gay was illegal or even social deviants that isn't illegal but could lead to violence ... like being gay now. I know that even if this isn't directly mentioned in the video that its kind of implied in subtext and most people will pick up on it anyway, but I think it's worth noting that there is a lot that's illegal that either shouldn't be or that people don't even realise is illegal because its otherwise socially acceptable but is still chalinged by security, the obvious example is medical cannabis but this extends as far as S&M sex toys.
Josue Bartley72,
Not to mention that you can be 100% sure that you "have nothing to hide", until they find something (anything) not completely legally permitted - and then you are in a situation when you realize that it was never about security, the security or security of your close ones, and it is in that moment when you "wake up" (a bit late, you now have either to go to prison or sell your house to pay the lawyers, etc...)
Too many examples of such instances, even in this comment section...
Also there are far too many laws and many vaguely written laws. Someone estimated that even the most "good" people can commit felonies without realizing it
eh. Here in Belgium it's forbidden to ware masks in public. The nickname of the law hints why: the Burqa Ban.
Interesting. What about heavy makeup? Where do you draw the line? And what if it is really cold and you have very sensitive skin that needs to be protected?
Wow, they didn't even try to be subtle huh?
Huh same thing happened a couple of weeks ago in the Netherlands. Complete ban of face covering items. Also nicknamed the Burqa ban or a more Dutch name: Kopvoddentax. Kop mean head, vodden being a word for cloth.
Unbelievable that the same thing happened here and I never knew about the same law in Belgium.
Same thing in Denmark...
These videos are crazy to me since I was born in 2000. I have no concept of what "normal" is.
"A little bit dodge." I've never heard this slang before, it's super cute
So in case anyone in the US was curious about HR 6054 "Unmasking Antifa Act" (Mentioned in video at timestamp 18:40), the bill died in congress and did not pass. Similar bills have come up as well, and saw similar fates of dying either when they went to vote in the House or Senate. It's always worth checking the current status of bills when watching old videos which reference them, and to generally keep an ear to the ground in regards to your local and broader legislative bodies. However, I also wanted to save some folks the time it took me to double check the status of that bill.
Olly sounding more and more Anarchist with every video. I love it!
the influence of anarchistic ideas is obvious and I love it, but I like that it's not framed in explicitly anarchist language. it broadens the framework and makes it less insular.
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Very Much Agreed! As someone who doesn't care about the anarchist label, as long as the principles are present, I think it's better for the average audience member this way, leaving the baggage of the terminology or the misconceptions that the name 'anarchism' frequently carries with itself.
I kept stopping every few minutes: "wow this is a pretty anarchistic argument."
Nah, he's a faker. If push came to shove I don't think he'd give up his societal comforts we all take for granted.
It's maybe worth noting that if you are rich enough to charter flights to get around, airport security almost ceases to exist. Especially given that there are two ways to increase perceived safety at airports. One is the way we do it now, and the other is to look at the systemic conditions that motivate people towards terrorism. I suspect that the people who have the most to lose by the latter approach are also the people who are rich enough to take chartered flights.
Ha I know a few people that fly cannabis around the country. I was shocked when I learned there’s little to no security for them. Especially if they own their own hangar at a private airport.
yeah...but you still need to be medically certified to operate an aircraft that's any larger than a light sport aircraft, and they can deny one simply for feeling "really sad" many years ago, its made to provide preventative security measures to the charter flight industry, while pretending its for medical purposes.
I really hate airports specifically because I have paranoid PD and that dramatic monologue near the end _really_ fucked me up. Great video either way, though.
no one cares about a stupid label your doctor slapped on you to make you feel victimized.
@@XBLspartanx170 : "how can diagnoses be real if doctor not real??? Rly makes you think hmm???? 🤔🤔🤔"
How can we call it freedom when we aren't even allowed to question our own security measures. I think it's important to question EVERYTHING, in fact, I firmly believe we SHOULD question everything. You should question how much freedom you actually have when you consider that The U.K. owns 20% of the world's active CCTV cameras, which is absolutely ridiculous. You may call it protection, I call it perversion. It's important to question everything, I feel.
I was also a kid when 9/11 happened and when they implemented the no liquids rule in 2006. My mom took me on a flight to visit family shortly after the liquids rule was implemented and I didn't know or understand what it was about. I had packed some liquids in my suitcase and I had to watch TSA unpack my bag, search through my stuff, and throw my liquids away. I was so scared and humiliated that to this day I have a lot of anxiety when interacting with TSA.
When 9/11 happened, they put the news on every channel. I'll never forgive those responsible. It interrupted the last episode of the Dragon Ball Z Freeza Saga, you know how many episodes led to this moment, how many 5 minute smoke montages I had too watch. I'll never forget where I was during 9/11.
You're German? Gosh, I'm feelig like trash for me wanting to make the same statement :D
Olly, can you please make a video raising awareness to the State manipulations of the Brazilian elections to consolidate the coup to extinguish the left and progressists in the country? We are facing a real and mostly silent threat to democracy here.
Just today, the judiciary decided that 3.3 million people can't vote and had our voting titles canceled (me included) because they didn't went through a biometric registration that wasn't even obligatory (for this election) when they first came up with it. They changed the rules midtime, after it wasn't even possible to do the registration anymore.
And this is just the last thing that happened. It's getting critical. We need help.
I made a mistake. It was more sutile than that. I was actually able to vote, but people lost their titles in many cities because of the biometry. It was actually anounced in this places, but the people who lost their titles are basically marginalized people who couldn't get the update.
I'm sorry for the misinformation, things here are kinda insane right now, and its not easy to get the facts straight.
They are using legal resources to criminalize the left, and fake news are spreading like fire. I got desperate and jumped into the wrong conclusions.
Olá brasileiro
I agree with all the points mentioned in this video. I especially enjoyed the points that were made about how threats can be manufactured (perhaps even unintentionally) through flaws in the system and human bias. Regarding the "realm of what might be," I would be very interested in knowing if you came across anything in your research regarding how many attacks were actually prevented by these measures, or if there is any other metric we could use to determine the effectiveness of enhanced security? The wall I often hit when talking to people about this issue is their staunch belief that numerous attacks have been prevented, and the secretive nature of the organizations is justification for why we haven't heard more about it.
"But if you and I believed in unquestionable things, I don't think we'd be interested in philosophy." Best line ever.
“We wanted to use Fatherland security, but the Germans were getting too happy”- Robin Williams
Happy germans? That has to be a lie.
Fantastic video as usual.
I've been doing some work in disability care and the safety procedures are trying so hard to minimise risk to absolute zero that actually caring for the client becomes much more difficult than it should be. The job I do (hydrotherapy with a client unable to swim) is only there for me because the safety procedures require 3 people to be involved - not for the health of the client (who does need two people in the pool as they have frequent seizures), but because one of the carers may drown if they have a heart attack. So the parents have to either pay for three workers or one of the parents will go (without pay obviously).
It becomes harder for the parents, the workers (three people to attend to a single client is not easy to organise without new employees, i.e. me.) and for the client with a higher chance they won't be able to have their usual hydrotherapy session as a result of the remote possibility a carer might drown. As in an airport or theatre or shopping mall a small amount of risk should be accepted to improve the lives of everyone.
Yes, a psycho may hijack a plane, a wierdo bring a weapon into a theatre or a carer have a heart attack in a pool, but surely without the possibility of reducing risk to absolute zero these sorts of risks have to be accepted.
The movie theater I go to has actually stopped searching people's bags. Which I find odd though I'm happy about it
When I was 15, -2005, coming to the us, (I'm from the UK) without explanation a transport official at a passport check asked me to come with them, confused I said Okay and went with them and they took my passport and had me sit in a mostly empty waiting room for 15-20 minutes - without explanation. I had no idea what was going on, and they only released me when my mother kicked up a fuss, saying I was only 15 what the hell were they doing? Turns out it was something to do with having an older style passport and they were looking for someone in particular. But looking back the idea that they could effectively imprison me without charge is kinda scarey.
“I get to go to a better place... or in this case, America” 😂🤣😂 nearly spat out my coffee right there!
Thank you SO much for touching on this! I was in my 20s when 9/11 happened. And the "This is just temporary" assurances were nonsense, not just about travel. When they passed the PATRIOT act, I wept. I knew. Nothing was ever going "back to normal". The world had changed and not for the better. I knew at that point- the terrorists had gotten exactly what they wanted. They broke our freedom. I'm still waiting. Hoping. That the world will wake up and recognize that there's a point at which you've given up all your freedom ostensibly to protect... your freedom.
I was just a toddler when 9/11 happened. I literally don’t remember “normal”
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The TSA is just an organization that exists to supply our elected officials with free toothpaste.
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7:38 I would have answered "A Terrorist? Like the guy with the machine gun standing in front of me who has the possibility to kill me every second?"
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"Then I would have no way of knowing about it. Just like you."
@@FelonyArson He's refering to the police officer himself.
In my city in Canada, our downtown public library, about 2 years ago, implemented mandatory bag searching by security officers before one was allowed past the lobby of the library. The reasons for doing so were that because of the location of the library in the downtown of the city, library workers sometimes didn't feel safe at work (they have had to de-escalate tense and potentially dangerous situations before) and the security officers made them feel safer. A community group has tirelessly spent the last two years advocating for the security measures and bag checks to be removed, pointing to statistics showing a huge decrease in the number of patrons using the library after the bag checks were implemented, as well as addressing the horrible implications that having security officers guarding one of the only completely free and public warm spaces in the downtown of the coldest city in Canada has for the homeless population of our city. I think the points you made in this video about security and privacy are so incredibly important to this conversation we have been having here, and I wish I would have come across it earlier! It was just announced this week that the bag searching has officially been ended at the library, which is a huge win for the organizers who did so much work to make that happen!!! It also shows, albeit on a small scale, that increased security in our communities CAN be challenged, and can be challenged successfully!
I remember a few years ago the FAA/tsa was getting ready to actually allow a few specific kinds of pocket knives again, abs a bunch of companies were making knives compliant with the rule...
Which never came.
I was 13 on 9/11, and remember it vividly because I had family that worked in the tower. He was safe but phones were all down, so it was terrifying.
Seattle recently had its stupid body scanners turned off from a few days (I opt out just to protest those useless things that have never stopped a terrorist attack) and closed all but one entrance (theres are usually 3) and holy shit that huge line moved so fast it felt like a literal jog through security.
And on the return, through Phoenix, they were on, and it took ages.
Flying was inherently safe before 9/11 and it's not that much safer now. Security theater is mostly a joke.
The thing I miss most though has nothing to do with it, but planes that gave me enough legroom to not sit with my knees touching the seats in front of me are what I long for again.
I love that phrase "security theater", that's really all it is. Theater. It's just a big production to make us all think we're safer when in reality it does hardly anything to stop acts of terrorism, given that those supposed acts of terrorism are theoretical to begin with. I travel somewhat frequently on planes as I have family back in California and I live in New York, and every single time I'm at the airport I just think about how easy it would be to cause an act of terror (not that I EVER would, looking at you FBI and TSA ;) ). For example: everyone is tied up in the security checkpoint. That's the most population dense section of the airport and you can just walk right into it, even at JFK or LAX. There's no security before that point. If someone intended to commit mass harm, that would be the place to do it. So in reality all these fake security programs have done nothing but increase the ability of a theoretical terrorist to do harm while simultaneously making everyone else's lives and the efficiency of the airport suffer.
why would you bring a pocket knife with you on a plane?
@@Game_Hero Because I fucking want to?
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong Why would you need one on a plane? What are you gonna do with that?
@@Game_Hero Why does being in possession of something mean I'm gonna do something with it?
CCTV was foisted on Australians as a 'temporary measure'. Works every time apparently.
"Of course they had to be invented, they're not naturally occurring features of the landscape"
Are you telling me you don't know about the Great Airstrip Formations of Guatemala?
JackgarPrime do tell, please
@@timeaesnyx legend says that he is still writing the response to this
going to the USA to see contrapoints eh?
Only you thought that no one else...........hmm!!
heart dreaming fondly about the destination and all that :D
Airport security is a testing facility for the government to push the limits of what it can do in the name of safety
If you take enough time to implement something into the illusion of normality, you can get away with anything
"Screw the rules, I make them" - power's modus operandi.
I love your style of storytelling & discussion. I felt drawn into it as though it wasn’t a monologue! Great stuff!