Disney's Star Wars Is Embarrassing
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- Опубліковано 13 січ 2025
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Star Wars. Got the lightsabers, the space wizards, pretty cool stuff. Honestly, I think most people kinda “get” Star Wars. Except for the people that own Star Wars, they have no idea what they’re doing. Over the past decade this brand, that was at one point pretty much the biggest “thing” on the planet, has now become an embarrassing disaster.
It takes a special level of incompetence to achieve this, and while I’m not the first to tackle this topic (and certainly won’t be the last), I feel like 2024 has been a uniquely awful year for Star Wars.
A big budget show, the acolyte got canceled before a second season amongst awful user reviews and low ratings.
Star Wars Outlaws was a flop, to a degree where it’s caused some investors to question whether the game’s publisher Ubisoft should even stay as a public company.
And I just kinda wanted to talk about all of this.
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Sequil trilogy having no plan, then deciding to do a Han Solo movie RIGHT AFTER KILLING THE CHARACTER, all sequil shows fucked by the event horizon of the Sequil trilogies cause everyone has to die again.. reason way Baby Yoda cant be a jedi cause then killed by Kylo, why Ahsoka cant hang out with the skywalkers cause then dead by Kylo..... bad planning. replaced the old without any PLANS>
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I think you are 100% wrong on that one. It all comes down to Bad Writing and Storytelling...
The worst part? As Andor shows, you don't even need to make a show feel particularly like Star Wars for people to see it. You don't need the Force. Or jedi. Or lightsabers. Or Tatooine. Or The Millenium Falcon. Or Han Solo. You can make a Star Wars show that lacks all of that, and people will still want to watch it. All you need is for it to be... good.
Disney hasn't been in the 'good' business for a long while now.
All you need is $250million and tony gillroy
@@Samsonfs you need to have a story to tell.
Based. It was the first time in like 15 years I really enjoyed any kind of Star Wars media and can't wait for S2
That works against Andor as being as a STAR WARS show. Andor is almost like a syfy original series, rather than something made by Lucasfilm!
I'd argue they killed it by letting a trio of directors create a trilogy of movies without them apparently ever even talking to each other, much less figuring out a coherent plan for how their movies would fit together... So basically, The Last Jedi killed Star Wars, and Rise of Skywalker was the coffin it was buried in.
Trio?
@@jakubolszewski8284 It was originally planned to be 3 different directors.
@@Marconius6 Oh, didnt know, thanks.
Honestly, the force awakens set a horrible foundation for it all to begin with.
they could've gone so many directions with the sequel stories. They could've focused on the Imperial Remnant and told a story from their POV, they couldve introduced the Yuuzah Vong, or focused on rebuilding the Jedi, but no, those nitwits decided to just make a much much worse version of the OT with an empire clone.
Putting a chunk of The Mandalorian plot in the impressively terrible Boba Fett show was something it never bounced back from. I still don't understand why they did that.
Yep I really hate that everything has to be part of a larger multiverse. It’s exhausting
It didn’t make any sense. Especially as someone who didn’t watch Mandolorian, I was left confused and didn’t know who half the characters were
@@White_RecluseMade even worse than what could have been a season 3 climax. Was instead shoved into the Boba Fett show. So if a Mandalorian fan didn't watch this show. There's a lot of key information left out.
@@azeniagallavantus2326 I think it was a bunch of envious and mean-spirited competitors of John Favreou *cough* Filoni *cough* who couldn’t handle the fact his ideas were succeeding while theirs were effectively burning down the franchise. S2 only needed the steady hand from S1, but instead it started to wobble and by the end of it we had what should have been the conclusion to the entire show and an unnecessary Luke-cameo. That wrapped it up for me and it honestly did not matter what came after in the Fett show or S3. They ended it before it had a chance to breathe. What a shame…
YES! FUCK THAT! I was getting into it, and then it was like the Mandalorian highjacked the show and fucked it all up.
The only thing Disney knows how to do is overexpose something until we get sick of it. They are like Sid in Toy Story breaking their toys
Star wars: the ✓accolade ©®™
Disney is Mr. Krabs. The fans are Spongebob. Star Wars is the Krabby Patty.
Speaking of which, who's excited for Toy Story 5?
Don't compare Sid to Disney. Sid at least is creative.
Spot-on
It's more than embarrassing, it's depressing that out of all the ways they could have gone, with all the resources and lore at their disposal, they just threw it out. At least it's easy to ignore Disney SW, I kept my books and comics.
I feel disney was trying to kiddify star wars on some level and push disney ethics.
What i feel is a good representation of disney sw issues can be found in Star Wars Rebels. At the start, it was very disney. Giving off Alladin in space vibes. The villains were just to nice. Treating the heros like school trouble makers.
But then Tarkin shows up, kills two guys for failure and all but the sith guy were mortified. That there is the problem. The disney stuff was just to kiddy. And star wars was meant as a mature show all can enjoy.
@@thewingedhussar4188 Rebels is a weird example since only the first season or so is that light-hearted and also people actually like that show
Also it's funny to mention how the problem is Disney is trying to "kiddify" the franchise, as if there haven't been attempts to kiddify it pre-Disney (Ewoks/Droid cartoons, Cavern of Courage, Clone Wars animated movie, Jar Jar's whole existence, etc. etc. etc.)
Yeah, they threw it out... and then proceeded to reuse some of it but blander or worse.
@@ninten360 An how did those work out? Who remembers those things or added darker elements to them? Ewoks did eat dead/captured imperial troops after all.
Same the eu is the only canon I'll accept and the 6 lucas films people can dislike the prequels as much as the want at least the were original and done by an artist not corporate ass hats I never lost faith in the prequels even other were shamed and turned there backs on it
The core problem of Disneys star wars is that they are a risk averse company, and as such run and write their stories and brand that way. The best example is the Boba Fett show, where a gruff merc who has no allegiances to anyone gets retconned into a bumbling nice guy, destroying his character and broke the story before it had even started. Star Wars as a franchise was built off of risks, and now its safe, predictable and boring. It's everything it shouldn't be.
This. Companies being risk averse / safe with what they put out can themselves be at risk for sliding in to irrelevancy.
And the risks it does take, like The Acolyte, are just really weird ones that ends up undermining entire concepts and ideas from the original trilogy.
The Last Jedi had risks, but the risks were also really odd. It was meant to almost be an anti-star wars movie. It tried being risky, but it didn't go far enough and so it ended on a safe, cozy note which contradicted like, 75% of the message it had lol.
Disney just can't make good marvel or star wars movies or shows anymore. They don't know what humans are, or what humans like. They only know what statistics and lines like.
@@DetectiveMekovaLast Jedi suffered from trying to "change things up" too late in the game. You don't build up the Skywalkers for 7 out of 9 chapters then suddenly turn around and say "oh these people, _our main protagonists,_ are actually stupid and don't matter."
If they'd taken the Resistance plot and made it its own "Star Wars Story" movie it might have been better off.
When they do take risks all you whiny incels just cry about their being black people or women in it. Make up your incredibly simple minds for fuck sake
@@Soundwave3591 so all of Star Wars has to focus on one fucking family?! You fuckers literally just want the first movie over and over again for forever don’t you 😂😂😂
to quote some hack frauds: "how does it feel to see all your favorite franchises crash down and burn?"
"Feels great..."
@@ForgottenHonor0yeah, id much rather just have them die instead of being milked for eternity
AT-ST! AT-ST!
We’ll always have stand alone films. Always.
IT BROKE NEW GROUNDDDDDD!
As a wee, innocent lad in the late 2000s, I was actually _afraid_ that Star Wars would eventually lose relevance and that there would be no more new movies, shows or even video games. If you went back in time and told me that the _prestigious_ Walt Disney Company would not only make a new Star Wars trilogy, but multiple interconnected shows, both animated and live-action, I would've been ecstatic!
*...I would later come to realize that death is a mercy and that there are far crueler fates in this world.*
"Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects"
A fellow Star Wars Autist it seems
JJ Abrams already explained the problem. He, Kathy and Disney never had a plan to begin with... Years later, I still cannot quite comprehend that... .
That's how he writes.
It worked for LOST because it was episodic and before streaming, so he could get away with making shit up and had time to make sense of it
Never thought I'd see the day where a *Transformers* movie is treated with more respect and creative storytelling than most Star Wars media in the last few years
The problem with Solo wasn't lacking Ford. Fans simply wanted something authentic which Disney is incapable of doing. Getting an actor that looks like young Ford would have helped (there was one guy that people wanted) but the main issue is that it didn't feel like Star Wars. This is the problem with all of Disney's stuff. It simply doesn't feel like Star Wars.
It feels less like Star Wars than fan films. This goes deeper than a lack of soul.
Not entirely true about actors having to look like the older actors that came before them. Star Trek 2009 had some actors that looked totally different but could still act the part and that was good enough. It's all in the story and script.
It's also how there was so much character assassination and things that didn't need explaining getting a backstory.
no soul might be better than a different soul. nobody wants to see their loved ones demonically possessed.
The problem with Solo was the name. If his name was Franz Alone flying the Century Hawk with his Trandoshan pal Gnawsh people would have loved it.
Pre-Disney Star Wars is art. Disney Star Wars is content.
As one of those former Star Wars super fan weirdos, it’s refreshing to hear someone explain why the entire franchise has lost that spark that used to make it feel special to people like myself without using all the tired culture war rhetoric. You didn’t blame it on “wokeness”, you didn’t point the finger at an apathetic fan base when with cries of racism and sexism. You pointed out the real culprit that’s responsible for killing off so many of it things people used to be so passionate about: corporate greed and inflated egos. With all the gaslighting and vitriol these days, i like a lot of other fans of various ice great IPs just checked out. I don’t get angry, i sure as heck don’t get excited. I just don’t care anymore
That and incompetent leadership thanks to Kathleen Kennedy.
Apathetic is correct. I logged out of D+ last month and I wasn't even the one paying for it. It's not just Star Wars but Disney content in general.
You should check out The Bear and Shogun
It's best D+ content ever
why in the blue hell are you not pirating shows in 2024? lmao
@@sebascruz7762 I'm not saying I've never done that but there's enough free or cheap ways to legally watch movies to satisfy my rare movie watching moods.
You really felt you had to announce that like anyone gives a shit
Or watch it through a reviewer like Disapru or EFAP.
I saw a “worst insult” comment that I’ll deeply remember for the rest of my life:
“I hope your favorite franchise gets bought by Disney”
This shit hurts as Alien and Predator fan
I hope you go outside for once and talk to actual people.
@@zachbrown1988 What is bro waffling about???
If you’re gonna troll at least be consistent
@@zachbrown1988 How's your relationship with your father ?
Porgs were a necessary add on coming about almost by accident. They shot episode 8 on an Irish island that was also a puffin nature preserve. In order to film there at all they could not disturb the puffins, and they ended up in the background of nearly every shot. They invented Porgs as a way to explain away the Puffins. digitally changing all the background puffins to Porgs, or leaving them out of focus.
Honestly, it's offensive how they took audiences for granted thinking anything with the star wars name would sell. Not saying general audiences are smart, but they shouldn't be understimated either.
Funny thing is if I remember correctly this wasn't the first time that has happened with Star Wars, if I remember the MMO Star Wars the Old Republic was also banking off being part of the Star Wars IP, even though it was a very clear wow clone(to the point one of the Talent trees for one of the classes at launch was exactly the same as it's equivalent in WoW) and that MMO ain't doing to hot ATM.
I've got a friend that compulsively tears apart media because the way he cares is the hell of coming up with ways for it to be better and being powerless to update the thing with his improvements beyond fanfiction and forum ranting. That's why Star Wars fans "hate" Star Wars, they love it so much that it angers them when it sucks.
Similarly, people in fanbase, while outsiders might see them as odd, are also seen by outsiders as authorities. If you want to watch a funny B-movie horror flick to rag on with friends, you go and ask the person that swears by their VHS collection if they have any suggestions. Logically then, if a common consumer asks a Star Wars fan "Is there a Star Wars movie I should watch before I see this Acolyte show?" they will be told, "Skip that one, it teased a sequel it's never going to get. We should start by watching the movies called episodes 4-6, and see what if anything you end up liking about them." and the common consumer will not watch Acolyte.
Very astute point about fan bases
Mfw the best piece of Star Wars media from Disney (Andor) has no mention of the Force in it,
Its almost as if the Jedi and Sith shouldn't be the main focus of everything.
Yes and no. There's an entire series of spin offs about the Rebel pilots that have nothing to do with Jedi or Sith. But Disney has no idea how to do either Star Wars or the Jedi and Sith. It's gotta be the suits making these decisions.
Rogue One largely didn't really have Jedi and Sith in it as well. I am obviously ignoring the ending part with Vader.
Right??? I was never a huge Star Wars movie fan as a kid (was just the original and prequels at the time) but I looooooovvveedd those faux educational lore books that talked about different worlds and cultures in the universe, biology of different alien species or monsters, all that fun stuff. Ofc they mentioned the force and jedi/sith here and there but it was absolutely not the main focus. That sense of wonder and adventure and strangeness is what I enjoyed, and you could do SO much with that. But, they'd need to allow creatives who love the universe to take risks and they can't be having that!
@@kosmosXcannon Rogue One was my favorite out of the Disney movies and even that one had some problems I didn't like.
I remember reading somewhere that it was originally going to be a gritty war movie but with a star Wars skin suit and I really liked that idea. It makes sense, right? Regardless, they had to tone down the grit because R movies don't sell as much. Yet, they'll make The Force a female entity, and a lesbian at that. I always interpreted the force as a purely neutral entity that doesn't have a clear will, but anyone sensitive to it whether they're good or evil could wield it. It's that over explaining again.
Yeah but get ready, cause as those RedLettermedia hack frauds predicted, Luthen os gonna be revealed as a hidden fallen Jedi all along
I will never forgive Star Wars for taking an excellent non-Jedi story and ruining it with annoying Jedi. It was so nice to see an average guy (as average as you can be in such a dangerous universe).
If you haven't yet, watch Andor. It has almost nothing at all to do with Jedi and is one of the only good things disney has put out.
*disney
It's pretty funny that I can't even tell which character you're talking about since that's happened multiple times now
The Mandalorian had SO much potential as a “adventure of the week” type of structure, but with mature(ish) themes and new original characters.
Then the end of season two happened..
When did Star Wars die? When Disney decided to make the trilogy without a plan.
"Oh we'll figure it out along the way"
@@DevilManN111somehow, they failed.
Indeed. I find it truly astonishing that they approached the new trilogy without a clean plan of how it would unfold. That genuine baffles me.
So right out of the gate, then.
*Reject Disney canon.*
Embrace the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
So much more detail, so much more passion, so much more effort and talent.
Lucas never considered the expanded universe cannon
@@somethingsomething9008 I fail to see why that’s my problem.
@@somethingsomething9008Lucas also wanted Starkiller to be "Darth Icky". George was far better than Disney, but there's a reason a lot of people disregarded his canon opinions pre-Disney
There's plenty of comic books, audio dramas, novels, and video games. Half of them are based on the OT, the others are based on the prequels. There's something for everyone and most of it feels canon to the films even if they aren't.
Sorry dude, I got two words for ya. "Yuuzhan Vong"
The EU was always.. not great.
Don’t think so much, Husk. Just consume the ever flowing stream of content and acquire endless piles of plushies and LEGOs and ignore the entire concept of quality.
@@Dustyjazz_ Shhhhhhhh you're thinking too much. Just enjoy the slop like a good little pig and enjoy the bliss of ignorance.
Star Wars fans are the most entitled clowns on the planet. You realize quality is subjective right?
@@zachbrown1988 You realize he's kidding right?
Kathleen? Is that you?
@@zachbrown1988 Indeed which is why a McDonald's meal is the exact same as a Michelin star meal at some fancy restaurant. Amirite
Star Wars died when disney started viewing it as a means for furthering their profit margins and not as a story held dear to people since childhood. So basically, it died when they bought it.
Except the person they put in charge isn't even interested in profit, only pushing her agenda and false progressivism.
@@ForgottenHonor0oooooh scary woke
I don't they want to gire good writers because it cost more money and gaming company that have good reputation cost more so it ubisoft then
This is the same Star Wars that released an action figure of Yak Face.
Agreed. I remember seeing their first star wars movie, getting extreme cringe and I stopped giving a shit right then ans there
Another way Solo died is the reshoots. It was originally helmed by Lorde and Miller, a more comedic duo responsible for the lego movie. But midway through shooting they had a falling out with Disney and Ron Howard was brought in. This led to massive reshoots that pushed the budget up and delays. Because of this. Solo not only ended up with a 250 million dollar budget but had an early May 2018 release that had it competing against Avengers Infinity War still riding high in theatres. Disney shot itself in the foot in so many ways with that movie. The movie itself is fine. Just fine. Has its fun moments and is an okay choice if you have nothing else to watch. RIP Star wars
Star Wars died when they didn't give the entire franchise over to Genndy Tartakovsky.
He did Samurai Jack and Dexters Lab
@@TylerAStinson And the animated Clone Wars tv series that bridged Star Wars episodes 2 and 3.
Symbionic Titan
So after Episode 1
He was more busy doing working for Sony until they had enough....and at the same time they are letting him have pet proyects, simillarly to how WB/CN was treating him before the CN Real era.
And somehow he is still working for both companies and their higher-ups are actually not attempting to screw him over, at least not in the near future.
"The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy." is a raw fucking line
It's crazy how hard it is for a company as big as Disney to understand a simple concept. Bad movies, games, etc. = less big fans that will basically be a marketing department to casuals = less people seeing the movies and buying games and merch. Like this is really not rocket science, they have everything they need to succeed, just make decent media and the money will roll in.
Capitalism and its money blindness
Bean counters do not understand the concept of quality. They think of this stuff like a mathematic formula or algorithm. It's all replaceable.
The one profitable thing that Disney did with Star Wars is Grogu AKA Baby Yoda. Since there's a Mandalorian movie coming up soon, that also means Grogu returns too and there will be tons and tons of ads, food products, clothes, toys, and other merchandise. You thought there was a lot of Baby Yoda stuff before? Buddy you ain't seen nothing yet!
It’s literally all they have left that not everyone hates.
@@MrSpartan993season 3 definitely killed a lot of peoples interest
Except I've seen a lot of coverage that Grogu merch already doesn't sell anymore, I doubt they'll be able to recoup the losses on this one either.
Star Wars, halo, Game of Thrones, Alien and Lord of the rings have given every Nerd trust issues.
If I get even a whiff of them using the word 'diversity' to describe the show rather than the show itself I immediately check out.
About five years ago, they promised me a Rogue Squadron movie. Then they killed it .
30 years ago I read a book about Thrawn. They have yet to make a movie with him in it.
Fuck shows with 6 expisode seasons that should have been movies.
Not only did they *not* make a movie with Thrawn, they retconned his character into something unrecognizable. They should have never given him to the plot writers of Rebels.
@@WafflePlaneRC Rebels Thrawn was the archetype twirling mustash bad-guy for evil sake. You aren't wrong at all, book Thrawn would never hurt is own troops to prove a point.
@@chromesucks5299 I believe those are the same picture meme.jpg
@JurassicPeek I mean, I guess. I figure it's hard to ruin a top gun but star wars. And yet here we are
@WafflePlaneRC the original creator of Thrawn is heavily involved in Ahsoka and absolutely giddy about it.
Perhaps all the "dead" franchises, Star Wars included, will be able to live again when they're put in the hands of the average joe through the public domain
When it goes public domain it's more likely they'll make some edgy art and a bad horror movie, if Winnie the pooh and Steamboat Willie are anything to go by.
@@ahatt96 Yeah, at least at first...
because of disney that's gonna take decades too. what a waste
Agreed. The more stuff that starts to enter the public domain, the better.
There are decent fan made shorts out there for just about everything. You can generally get away with it as long as you aren't trying to make money from it.
People didn’t hate “Solo” because Harrison Ford wasn’t in it, they hated it because it took a huge steaming dump on the character.
Reshooting the movie twice didn't help either.
Seriously how hard would it have been to have Solo join the imperial academy and not the damn army? He's know for his piloting skills.
@@razorburn645 Not in Disney’s shitty version. No, the reason the Millennium Falcon got through so many scrapes over the years wasn’t because a strong male character who bucks authority was at the stick, but because it had the brain of a shrill SJW bot for a navigation computer. He was also a space hobo who constantly tripped over himself, and even his last name was something he got by accident.
@@TBustah wah Disney put girls and black people into my movies that are made for twelve year olds. Cry more weirdo
No it didn’t, the movie had much bigger issues than that
@@TBustah you realize the movies are for little kids right? Try going outside once in your pathetic life
For all these long running franchises, it isn't that the original stuff was perfect and flawless. We know that. It's that the people making it cared about the fans and the legacy they were creating and/or following, so they worked to make their stories worthy.
The new people making content for these IPs seem to have contempt for the fans and legacy of the property. They only care about themselves and putting out their personal stories, whether it fits or not.
Exactly! I never claimed TNG was perfect or Voyager. I never doubted though that those behind it loved the property. They slipped but also didn't blame the fans for issues.
It all comes down to giving the fans and creators the proper respect that they deserve. Having a good name goes a very long way and is more stable than instant gratifications/profits. Disney has now tarnish their name and what they supposedly stand for making their downfall be seen as just and deserved.
Say it louder for the people in the back
at this point you could put a literal rock in charge of star wars and it would outperform kathleen kenedy
Chewbacca could direct it and have the whole movie in Wookie and I'd still watch it.
I vote to put anyone aside from Tyler in charge (he likes the Christmas special lol)
@@MacUser2-il2cx You know, that would make for an actually cool and creative movie premise. But it'd take an actual artist to make it work.
*The Last Jedi should have made more than The Force Awakens.*
*The Han Solo movie should have broken even.*
The Rise of Skywalker should have made two billion dollars.
*The Boba Fett show should have been a major success.*
*Yet here we are.*
Andor was fairly good
@@fot6771 Except almost nobody watched it.
Andor was good but one show doesn't balance the budget...@@fot6771
@@ForgottenHonor0 sounds like a marketing failiure because it's by far the best thing Disney's made with star wars
@@fot6771It's more a franchise failure. Disney Star Wars has such a bad track record that people (justifiably) assume that new Star Wars shows are bad
On the plus side, the Holiday Special doesn't seem nearly as bad anymore, especially with the Rifftrax commentary.
Stir Whip, Stir Whip, Whip Whip Stir > Lesbian Space Witches
The porg comment got me good. They were cute for what they were. The rest of the terrible parts of that movie far outweighed the mild annoyance of porgs.
The new creatures were the only thing I liked about the sequels, that's what I wanted more of from new Star Wars.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 That and the music were essentially they only things they didn't make worse.
Film industry: im literally dying without money, and it gets worse when i try to earn more
Video Game industry: first time?
The biggest misstep with post-2014 _Star Wars_ was not bad writing, but Lucasfilm's employees actively bullying and vilifying fans who criticized said bad writing. Because Disney itself is more interested in the brand making a profit than how it goes about doing so, they didn't dole out any punishment, resulting in the general public getting the idea in their minds that it's perfectly fine to bully _Star Wars_ fans, regardless of what their school taught them about not bullying others.
This is similar to what happened with Halo as well.
@@JJAB91its also what killed the comic book industry… which caused indie comic artists to call themselves western Mangaka.
wonder if we will stat seeing that in other industries
@@RusticRonnie
I sure hope not. Bullying your customers is a one-way ticket to losing their support in _any_ industry.
@@JJAB91it's happened to basically everything in western entertainment.
Writers just have big egos online
@@RusticRonnie also becaused both marvel and dc toned down the fan service after 2016 which is pretty stupid when ur core market is young adults and teenagers
I think what bothers me is how many of these shows can't be pitched without a reference. If I have to do homework to fully understand why your show is a big deal, that's not a show, it's a fan wiki.
Disney star wars being bad? they bought the thing because nerds still had faith, but it was a means to another toy end
Huge respect for Kennedy to have me stop caring about something so important to my childhood. Dont know when the last time was that I watched the original trilogy
There were really good Star Wars mobile games that Disney killed just to maintain EA exclusivity.
Star Wars: Uprising was excellent. Disney murdered it.
KotOR 1 and 2 are on mobile. Apparently you can even install the TSLRCM for 2
Even then, EA treated Star Wars with more respect than Disney. That exclusivity contract was bad idea though even if the games we got were decent
@crestofhonor2349 nah i still haven't forgiven EA for battlefront 2 even if people say the game is good now what they did back then is something i will never forgive them.
Corporate greed will always suck the creativity and originality out of a lucrative franchise.
Don't forget incompetency and virtue signaling and tokenism.
I completely agree on the apathy part. I used to enjoy watching youtubers like Critical Drinker shit talk Disney slop, but I find myself not caring anymore.
That and critical drinker proved to be a shitty person
It’s absolutely insane to me that they screwed up merchandising. I remember as a kid with Phantom Menace to Revenge of the Sith most of the stuff you consumed that was good was outside the movies. Jedi Power Battles, Pod Racer, Jedi Starfighter, Dark Forces I and II, Jedi Outcast I and II, Battlefront I and II, Empire at War, Republic Commando, Knights of the Old Republic I and II…those are just the best, there are others that were still pretty good but not amazing like Phantom Menace, Bounty Hunter, Shadows of the Empire, Battle for Naboo, hell the Twisted Metal derby game they made was pretty fun even. Since Disney got their hands on it and gave it to EA we’ve had two mediocre Battlegrounds, a mediocre Squadrons, an okay Jedi Fallen Order, a pretty good Jedi Survivor, and an Ubislop Jedi Outlaws. In ELEVEN YEARS. And that’s just the games, they screwed this up in all other avenues including toys, books, comics, etc.
Unbelievable.
Im still baffled that they bought a billion dollar franchise and didnt even bother to flesh out what was going to happen in the new trilogy before they made the movies
I can't believe how they messed this up. They literally had hundreds of really good expanded universe books to pull from. They could have easily adapted many of those into movies or show. Instead they threw it all out. What a waste
“Too much of anything is annoying, but too much of a bad thing is really annoying.”
Every streaming company on the planet needs to hear that.
It’s not even that they don’t respect the fans, it’s that they don’t actually have a creative vision, a story they want to tell. They just want to make something as standard as possible so it will make as much money as possible
To me, it was clear that Disney wringing the neck of the golden goose till it was dead was not a matter of 'if' but 'when,' especially once they announced the Marvel approach of releasing a stream of mainline and side movies in short (12-24 month) order, along with the TV shows.
Mandalorian went from good show to "The Grogu Show" because that works on the "Mom" demographic.
I find that companies should be really careful when it comes to marketing your products and services. There are class distinctions between (die hard) fans and casuals. It's very risky to piss off or to cater to only one of them. Getting the balance is hard but doable but Disney is really failing at this in the past couple of years.
The bleeding started with Rian Johnson. There were issues, JJ did not do anybody any favors with his first movie, but there was a lot that could have been built off of and some of the bad stuff could have been swept aside by a writer that had more talent than ego.
Johnson was riding higj before his star wars movie. Everything he touched was turning to gold and he was given a sub par set up for a movie. So, instead of running with the sub par start he decided to slam the reset button. He had to keep the characters and the overall plot but everything he could cut was cut. He believed he could save star wars and instead he left a second movie in a trilogy with no ties to the first and no story set up for the third.
The last movie was awful but there was never any hope for it.
Then we got Mando. Mando was great, Mando sold toys, Mando was popular. So, like most idiotic leadership, they teathered everything they could to the successful thing hoping it would drag everything else along with it rather than drag it down like what ALWAYS happens. Throw in Boba Fett and then tie his series to it. Throw in Luke then Ashoka and have their series tie into it. Mando became a bloated mess as the talentless hacks clung on to it for dear life. It drowned as a result.
So, movies failed, good tv series were failing, what is a moronic exec to do? Burn it all! If nothing seems to work throw as much into the pipe and hope something sticks. Doesn't matter if it makes sense, if it is even remotely related to the IP, or has any relation to anything in the universe, we are bleeding gotta rip at the wound to heal it!
So, everything became rushed.
Movies that were obviously supposed to be movies got stretched into TV series because MOAR! Every character gets a spin off! Hype is all we have, pump the member berries!
Now nobody cares. They beat the dead horse until it became dust and are still trying to sell dust rides at $50 a pop. Disney Star Wars is over.
Star Wars as an IP is not though. There are a LOT of good stories a passionate studio or fan could adapt and make work. Fans will come back, just not for Disney anymore. Sell it off, spin it into its own company, then use existing stories (and stick to them!!!) and fans will return. Disney won't do that though, $50 dust ride until they put it in their vault and try releasing it once a moon until it seems popular again is all we have to look forward to.
You hit the nail on the head with the apathy point. Sadly, with this generation of Star Wars, new fans will be indifferent to this abysmal content and the franchise will either have a slow death, or a transform into something unrecognizable to classic Star Wars even worse than it currently is.
One thing new fans should keep in mind is, if Disney was willing to deliberately push away the old fans, they will eventually push them out too. Why be a fan of something that will eventually, deliberately reject you?
Look up the recent Concord interviews about "Toxic Positivity" in the production.
That's what's happening to a lot of Hollywood.
I dont agree. Most of what the big studios in Hollywood do is tinged with a jaded cynicism. Disney just wants your money and they are more likely to employ C-level psychopaths than relentlessly positive true believers.
Star Wars died for me when I watched Episode 8. That movie was trash and it showed that Disney was going to continue to ruin it.
Same here. I came out of the theater feeling confused.
It was later that evening I realized I…didn’t like that Star Wars movie at all. It was a first for me personally.
Same same.. I walked out of the theater thinking, "well, that's it for me. I'm done." Didn't even bother to watch episode 9 and just found out from others how bad it was
Same
The same. And I remember that when it was near the end of the movie I was thinking like "okay this is shit, but at least they will show an epic fight between Luke and Kaylo right?" I didn't know Luke didn't come for fight and died and I almost died from cringe as well
Finally someone whose saying this without trying to push a political message
That's the other big problem that turns me off from starwars is the constant culture war that surrounds it. It's insufferable and exhausting. The content actually being bad is just the back breaker.
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@@DammitBobbythat. Exactly that. Back in 2018 I was all on the hate wagon of the woke last Jedi.. now that I’ve grown older I see how tiring it is.
I’ve become more and more a casual enjoyer. I unsubscribed from a lot of SW youtube channels who kept pushing right or left political messages through Star Wars. I’m only subscribed to SW UA-cam channels who explain lore/stories. Stupendous wave, lore masters etc. All the others are too exhausting.
@@xsXRevanXsx stupendous wave is my personal favorite.
@@DammitBobby his content is good! Same goes for lore masters (and a lesser extent Star Wars explained but after what came out about him, I’m not trying to watch him anymore). I used to be an avid Star Wars theory fan, I was in full support when he released his film… but my god his content is so horrible now.
Where are the theories? Where are the lore videos? Stuff that I subscribed for? When I try to look for a movie review or the like I also don’t go to his channel anymore or someone like the critical drinker.
I might not agree with the whole left politics but the constant “they are ruining Star Wars because A, B, C woke blah blah” is so incredibly tiring.
I feel like this is a bigger problem with a lot of media rn. Because companies have to be hyper focused on "line go up" they try and play things safer and safer which ends up just creating bad slop. The best movies that have come out in the past few years have been ones that have gone against the rest of the industry and audiences are starting to tune into that. People actually want quality but that involves taking risks which a company with fiduciary responsibilities will never take
Star Wars has been one of the big pillars of my childhood. I especially got into it around the time the prequels released and watched the hell out of Episode 3 and Clone Wars. I still remember the hype I felt when the first Battlefront reboot released and Episode 7 got into the cinemas and I really miss that feeling. It's been years since I've been somehow excited about Star Wars and I really wish for a game or show with a world and story that I can lose myself in again. There has been nothing that ignited that spark again for about 7 years now for me. It's a damn shame, really
I see Disney with Star Wars and Bethesda with Fallout in kind of a similar light. They both bought an IP they didn’t fully understand, and then overemphasised the parts they thought they understood in an effort to appeal to the general public, and ended up with products that…well, I suppose superficially they created a “Star Wars” or a “fallout”, but that lack the deeper elements that made those stories and universes compelling and attractive
The worst part is, neither IP will ever recover fully, because in order to fix what’s wrong with both of them, their respective owners would have to admit they fucked up because they’re dumb (which sucks, because I’m incredibly autistic about both Star Wars and fallout)
The Part that really annoys me is they did a disney did a trio of really good star wars movies. They just happen to be called guardians of the galaxy. Seriously get a good director, have them write the three movies as a solid vision, and do them at the same time so you can actually follow a plot line without your cast dying (drops rose at both leia and ackbars grave). and yes Tem and Ming deserve more love and more kicking of ass.
It's impressive how Disney killed star wars and marvel at the same time
marvel should have ended after endgame
@@zymosan99there is no war in ba sing se and there is no mcu after endgame.
With Marvel I'm not so sure, Deadpool & Wolverine managed to gross over 1.3 billion dollars at the box-office and well received by audiences, you could argue that it's sort of a 20th Fox movie, but it has a lot of connections with the MCU, there's also the recent X-Men '97 and Spider-Man 2 for the PS5 was a success for Sony IE. Though that actually brings me to mention that there's a bigger problem in regards why Marvel has better chances to still be popular while Star Wars struggles, and is that Star Wars is a very U.S. centric franchise, though SW has considerable following in some countries, Disney wanted Star Wars to be the next big thing at a global level, we saw how hard Disney tried to push Star Wars in China with Ep. VII, but Star Wars films don't resonate that well in China, and in some other Asian countries, except maybe for Japan, and even in Japan foreign films don't perform that well as they used to (Avatar 2 wasn't that big of a success in Japan, despite the original grossing over 100 million there), and it's mostly due to the fact that there isn't a lot of nostalgia for Star Wars in various countries across the world, but super heroes, like Spider-Man, are much more well known internationally
@@zymosan99Spider-Man: No Way Home managed to gross almost 2 billion dollars, and it was released when the pandemic was still an issue. I know that technically, Disney doesn't own the Spider-Man films rights, but No Way Home was a MCU film
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I thank Disney everyday for ruining Star Wars cause I think this is why there is so much more interest in Warhammer 40k universe nowadays.
Popularity and money will ruin 40K as well, some will say this already has begun.
"If I don't like it then no one should" I agree that Warhammer is more interesting that doesn't mean I hope star wars will die ( even if Dysney seem to really try to kill it )
I asked Lucasfilms to watch my stuff and when I came back it was Chinese stock
@@JeffBilkinsi think the same as you, it may have already started, but there is a difference in the way the franchise is handled, unless games workshop start pushing strict guidelines in the development of games and books i dont see many issues for a long time
@@JeffBilkins My guy, GW was already a greedy corporation tabletop wise all the way back before the woke/antiwoke cycle. What makes GW and warhammer in general much more difficult to be wokified, is because the main profit doesn't come from books, or games, but table top in which you literally play with small plastic miniatures with dice.
Everything bad that can be said about modern Hollywood you can find in 2024 in Star Wars.
Bad writers, bad CGI, overblown budgets, toxic crew/cast members attacking fans on social media, so on and so forth.
All of this and more is found in Star Wars. It's no wonder nobody cares anymore.
Disney killed Star Wars right at Force Awakens. That is the truth. People simply started to notice the decay a bit later.
And the casuals, the people who don't care and just turn their brain off never realized it was dead until they subconsciously lacked the will to watch more of one of their series.
The force awakens is a good movie-it’s fun, casual, and safe-but people ignore how blatantly episode 7 rehashed the original trilogy. Down to the character archetypes. I wouldn’t even call it nostalgia bate; it’s just plagiarism. While that started the sequel trilogy in a fine spot, it would have fallen apart by the end. Audiences need to be invested in the new characters, not in how similar they are to the old.
Like to blatantly redo the whole Death Star but as a planet? To immediately destroy the new republic so it returns to a ragtag group of rebels?
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No it isn't. I was there sitting in the theatre horrified seeing a rehashed Death Star with 5 beams.
Finn was a stormtrooper who was mourning the death of his comrade and then 5 minutes later blasting the hell out of them and cheering.
Its irredeemable trash, its just that people turned their brains off.
@@april3534 I would say Force Awakens is just passable. Nothing good or bad, because it was too safe, but passable. Could say it had cracks showing back then. It was the Last Jedi that blewup those cracks. I did like Rogue One, probably the last good movie Star Wars had put out.
@@shibavekreal
The prequels were better than the originals, you boomers are blinded by nostalgia.
*You need another entire trilogy to restore the reputation of Star Wars.*
Pfft. Good LUCK.
The only way they could do that if they get Knights of the Old Republic right or redo the Sequel Trilogy with Jacen and Jaina
One thing everyone can agree on is attacking fans directly and actually literally telling them to stop watching was not doing Disney Star Wars any favors.
I noticed this trend with The Last Jedi, and it got worse from there.
blaming/attacking fans was part of the woke trend in general.
With each day that passes I'm more convinced that the reason Mandalorian season 1 managed to be a good, more personal and low stakes show that didn't delve into the Skywalker's disfunctional family was because Favreau and Filoni managed to fly under the radar with a low budget while the last movies were being made. Hell for the last episode they needed more Stormtroopers and they called local Star Wars cosplayers to take part!
Once the execs took notice they started inserting nostalgia bait and putting baby Yoda at the forefront and into every piece of merch imaginable. Seems no industry can trust management these days 😢. The idea of the competent leader is dead
Disney look longing at the Star Wars Christmas Special, wishing they could think up something as good.
Let's see Disney come up with something half as awesome as Harvey Korman's head hole!
Copium addict take
15:14 With what sauce?
Don’t forget about the Kowakian Monkey Lizards!
Disney probably took Star Wars fans for granted, thinking that they’ll gobble up anything with the Star Wars name on it. They instead tried to market the franchise to the rare kind of people who didn’t already like Star Wars, which apparently was the Tumblr audience.
They certainly thought the same thing with MCU fans.
Funny, I thought Tumblr audiences loved Star Wars.
@@Badmunky64 I dunno, man. If they wanted to cater to the Tumblr audience, they'd have Captain America hook up with Bucky instead of Peggy.
Y'all give Tumblr too much credit.
@@lazaroskarmaniolas7410 Were talking about normal viewers. Not basement dwellers. Also Tumblr died years ago.
The only bit of SW that i still appreciate is Rogue One and Andor. But even watching something good, it's hard to not remember that all roads now are leading to the sequel trilogy.
I think rogue one deserves a lot more respect. It’s a legitimately fun movie that respects the source material
@jacobleukus6930 No, it contradicts A New Hope, also copies Dark Forces.
@@mazkeraid4039 i would like to hear you elaborate on how it contradicts episode 4. Unless you're taking into account the EU or the extra disney content (which is bad), that seems untrue.
@@Rihcterwilker Taking Death Star plans is ripped straight from Dark Forces. Yet another derivative idea that Rogue One has taken, that and Kyle Katarn and his crew. Also, Vader let's then get away rather than crushing him which made the cameo pointless in Rogue One.
@@mazkeraid4039 dark forces is the game, right? Related to Shadows of the Empire, which is based on a novel, or comic, i think?
Well, it think it was always supplementary material that they made to sell stuff, and this side stuff was always messy in relation to chronology. What they did with Rogue One seems to work with the canon in a more efficient way, not having to make use of any big name, like having to put Luke there (besides Vader, that was indeed forced to appear in the movie by the producers)
Star Wars needs to be taken away from Disney
Star Wars was declared dead in 1999, 2002 and 2005, this is nothing new. A large number of Star Wars games were complete garbage at that time too. They just need to stomp on the brakes and let the franchise cool off for 10-15 years or so.
Nooooot quite, it got more money than you think. They are still Star Wars at the end of the day.
The problem is actually a Disney wide problem, the problem is Iger being the Peter Principle gone wrong. Iger probably doesn't understand what made things click and the creative proses, just look at how he did everything to kill Twin Peaks. In retrospect Eisner way of thinking would have been better for Star Wars and Marvel as he knew you need to make a good product to make money.
Chapek can't be a fall guy for that long as it seems that Iger never really left. At some point Iger should be thrown out like old yeller like how Eisner was ousted after too many bad ideas in the 00's.
Eisner is nowhere near as incompetent as Bob Iger now.
I find it funny that they genuinely managed to ressurect Star Wars's reputation after episode 9 (with mando and the final season of clone wars), only to immediately burn it down again.
What a well made and analytical video, I felt like it needed to be said. I remember loving season 1 of The Mandalorian so much and thinking "this is it, they got it" and I didn't feel that again until I watched Andor.
They didn't ruin Star Trek they simply effed up the first 2-3 seasons of Discovery, Strange New Worlds more then made up for it. Also you forgot Sisko, show some respect.
ngl seeing all of those big media corporations just lose money left and right but still existing makes me feel that some companies are legit to big to fail
How to fix star wars:
- Remove 7,8, and 9 from cannon. Make it legends.
- Hunt down the old devs from Lucasarts and hire them under a new Lucasfilm interactive department. Start making good games again
- Begin planning a new trilogy from start to finish based on George Lucas's treatment that Bob Iger intentionally threw out.
- remaster KOTOR
- Ban EA or Ubisoft from ever making a star wars game
- Only hire writers / directors who deeply care about the franchise and stop belittling fans for calling out bad writing.
Notice how all those computer games from the 90s either featured or referenced Thrawn even though he wasn't canon? :D The Thrawn trilogy of books were really that good!
Why not make KOTOR a TV show and hire good writer amd director because they arent even capble if that which is the bare minimum
Also somehow get the right for Fallen Order and Survivor to fromsoft and be made by people who made Dark Soul and armored cored
@@MacUser2-il2cx Personally I am a bigger fan of the 2000s era games that we made in the prequel era, but to each their own. A republic commando remake would go crazy.
@@USSAnimeNCC- I just don't trust Lucasfilm with TV adaptations. Maybe if they had a better story team in the future.
@@LFPAnimations Same with me and Star Wars Episode 1 Racer. I freaking LOVE that game!
At this point, I think most of these people who handle big beloved IPs like Star Wars and the MCU just do it out of spite.
There is not one single thing that broke SW but alot of bad decisions. I am still of the opinion that even though the prequels are bad tjey were made with enthuisasm and love. There are still people involved in SW that are enthusoastic and want to make good shows (also in Acolyte, but the shows feel produced like on a conveyor belt, not created.
Bur the bad decisions were there from the start: the fact that the sequel trilogy didn't have a plan but they were just winging it from movie to movie is a TERRIBLE decision. The fact that Last Jedi (that from a quality perspective may be the best sequel) made terroble decisons in term of establishing a new star wars continuity.
They also made the very dumb decision of drawing a line in the sand and telling people that on one side is old star wars on the other is disney star wars and theyhave to come over to disney star wars or leave.
Making Filony a creative director with little oversight us also a bad decision. The guy famously said he dislike to work within the constraints of continuity and it shows in both clone wars and the disney+ shows where his storylines start to make the timeline between episode 6 and 7 muddy and incoherent.
Modern Star Wars is like seeing a star athlete past their prime.
Everyone who said the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy was terrible quite frankly needs to apologize.
lol I'll say it sucks ass just to spite you. Take your nostalgia goggles off and you'll see wooden acting, dumb characters, plot elements that needed to be explained but never were, overused CGI, and overly choreographed and passionless fight scenes.
The sequels being horrible doesn't make the prequels are good. I'd rather rewatch the last jedi than any of the prequels movies.
The prequels are still hot garbage dawg but i would still rather watch rots over any of the sequels any day
@@karenwang313 shut up last jedi sucked ruined luke character
@@saatvikkalra6061 what actually sequels hot garbage bad acting dialogue writing etc prequels have flaws but they still good
They Killed Star Wars with The Last Jedi & how they treated and killed off Luke Skywalker.
It really is that simple.
Who knew that if you don’t make good movies, people don’t watch them?
What I can't believe is how anyone thought it could go any other way. It's Disney we're talking about---this is _what they do._
Milking a series for all its worth can be annoying even when something is good, and a series can survive a misstep or two if they're infrequent enough, but if you push out a constant torrent of _nothing but_ missteps...
But then again, I was never a hardcore fan, so I guess I never cared enough to _want to_ hope. I rolled my eyes at Episode 7 already (I can't even remember its name) and lost the little bit of attachment I still had right then.
Star wars didn't just die....it was MURDERED!!!
To quote KOTOR:
Apathy is death.
Eric Cartman as Kathleen Kennedy is never not funny
Until Disney sells off Marvel and Star Wars and refocuses their attention on animation, I will not have much optimism for their future.
The animation side is already a lost cause with most people just watching Anime now.
its 100% over saturation what did we get after episode 3 ? some really good games books and the clone wars TV show.
Disney Star Wars is literal fan fiction. I refuse to phrase it any other way and I WILL die on that hill.
jesus what next from disney crap
Disney buys Star Wars, immediately tells the book portion of the fan base that they hate them and they should leave.
Makes The Last Jedi and tells the original film portion of the fan base that they hate them and they should leave.
Makes season 2 of The Mandalorian and tells their own cast that they hate them and they should leave.
Honestly, I don't think killing EU was a bad thing. It backed them into a hard to get out of corner. If they actually provided something good in its place, it would have been the right decision, but as it is currently, they killed EU and then provided nothing of value in its place.
About time fans return the favor
not gonna lie, these video essays voice nerd's opinions better than most nerds can articulate. keep them coming!
got in early on this one. keep up the great videos, always quality