Heya just wanted to say thanks again I have taken of my first wheel, here’s the process I followed 1. Used a heat gun with a 12mm nozzle attachment brought on amazon at 650 degrees from a 15cm distance 2. Pointed at the back side as advised where the screw, screws into 3. Applied direct heat for 5 minutes 4. Immediately unscrewed, by hand around 2 minutes 5. Waited for 10 minutes for the gun and wheel to cool 6. Repeated the process Each nut takes just under 20 minutes so around 4 hours for both wheels. Once again thank you! You really saved me time on this, Dualtrons are easy to work on if you know what to expect, what things are called, and have the correct tools and parts.
Thank you, thank you, velocitygt. - I also read the Reddit message about the PMTs but didn't realize that there was going to be so much involved. Thanks again for all the essential details!!! I think I am going with the 110/55/6.5 that a poster stated would bead easier.
Thank you for this, honestly the loctite that they use is insanely strong. As for the tire upgrade I had not even considered this, so another thing to the list. I will be making a few videos myself in a month or so when complete all my mods, this has been a journey honestly, but have learnt sooooo much. Once again thank you.
Looks sick! These vids are an invaluable source of learning from experience. Like you say, every little thing always turns out much harder in the end, haha. Who would've thought those bolts would be THAT tight?!
Wow! I wish I would have took the time to see this video before I stripped 4 of the 6 screws on my Dualtron X2. Now I have a mess on my hands as I try to drill off the head of each screw. Thanks for sharing this. New Subscriber here.
WOW! Thanks for the warning. I got my thunder with the knobby tires which I'm happy with for off road jaunts. Gotta say though, for the price point I'm not happy with the overall quality of the Thunder. There was no included headlight for night rides, the neck creak developed within a month, the rear disk was catching, spare parts not so readily available, the throttle and brake leavers are not adjustable to a comfortable position (for me anyways). This tire replacing drama seems ott for a scooter. Have to say thanks for the uploads, I've ordered some spares from the Russian site link you left and learned a lot from your shared experience!
I have to agree, it's just a shame there is no real alternative with the same functionality and performance so we have to make the best of it! Glad I have helped!
i dont know, i love the thunder, i mean ur talking 100lbs in weight and it is going to make some noise, the neck creak also happened on my weped and zero 10x, so i think the thunder is still the flagship of all scooters!!
velocitygt Have you checked out the Kaabo Wolf Warrior? That’s supposed to superior to the ultra and thunder. Looks pretty badass as well. You can check out videos here on youtube of it. I even like the dirtbike style front suspension forks.
@@MinimotorsUnitedKingdom It's supposed to be according to some reviewers. I'm sure some things are better than dualtron and some things better on the dualtron than the Kaabo. People seem to think it's build quality and parts are top notch, plus it does use Minimotors brushless motors, so it borrows from the Dualtron in that department. I don't own one, mainly because there's not really any accessory options for it like the optional seat or deck upgrades. I just thought Kaabo deserved a mention at least as it is another option to consider when purchasing a scooter in the Dualtron Ultra and Thunder range.
If you're going to do the ratchet Style strap method to seat the tires you have to put a generous amount of grease on the Inside Edge of the rim on both sides. Then ratchet it down and use high-pressure blasts to seat it and then clean the grease up that will come out. I've done it to many pieces of equipment that run tubeless tires. I even had a guy on somebody else's channel complaining about his scooter and he couldn't get the tires to seat. I told him what to do and he had success first try. Just an old school trick👍✌
JPO Orr Hey, sounds like an awesome tip. Have you got a link to the ratchet style method? What is the best way to high pressure blast? CO2 tank? Any information is great!!
@@enertiajnky sorry your comment never came through. Get a ratchet style tie down . Just a short inexpensive one will do. You can by at any Auto Parts or Walmart. After you get the tire on put a generous amount of grease on the Inside Edge of the rim on both sides. Then put the ratchet strap in the center of the tire and Ratchet it down until the beads spread close the edge of the at least until it reaches the grease and pushes it's some to make the seal. Then use a high-pressure blast say at least 70 to 90 PSI to get it to seat. Then undo to strap and make sure get it to 50 psi👍✌
So update! I went to a pro and he used tire warmer to make the tire flexiable, and then a professional none marking tire changer. Also it would seem that 100x55x6,5 are better to fit, as the bead isnt as far away. If you are going to do this.. "Go to a professional" he also advised that the rims arent well made and far from the standard of Mini GP wheels, they should be far better made at this price point, thanks and please alway share information and your experiences help others, thanks Velocitygt!!!
Hi thank you for your story I am doing my first tire change now. You said you broke 3 bolts what did you replace them with can you tell me the size of the bolts thanks.
So found a supplier in the UK but they will need to order from PMT, I was told that tyres in thise videso are a harder compound for road use, PMT made these tyres to be used in countries where they have vechiles that require these sizes,. Ther UK supplier will also fit the tyres with their machine, looks like it might be a six week wait however, every thing about the thunder is proving to be wait times and trial and error.
@@tormodnicholasmortontorger205 www.pmt-tyres.co.uk (pmt stradale) Ian Harris is the contact super nice guy, I posted my wheels off to him, he put on the PMT's and posted them back, cant speak highly enough about this guy. Im on reddit, affablefreddysocial is my username, I'm about 1 month away from completing my Dualtron Thunder Road Version project will post on reddit. IMPORTANT 1. Specify both wheels are the same size. 2. Get the 100s not the 90s. 3. Request mounting for one tire left valve side and one tire right valve side, this will match what is one your thunder but double check.
Brilliant video excellent information thanks for bleeding for us so we don't have to go through this! I would suppose that the wobble that happens at higher speeds during torque changes is greatly reduced also with all your upgrades suspension, ride height, and these tires. Excellent job thank you! What's funny is wasn't Dualtron claiming that tire changes are so easy the way this is set up? LoL
Haha my hands were actually bleeding at many points during this project. The wobble has almost totally been eradicated now. I think the tires have also played a big part in that. Yes I think Dualtron did claim easy tire changes, hilarious...
@@pureroadster59 they are easy to change, the thunder is not hard at all to change the tires, i have had much harder scooters to change the tires and no speed wobble at 50mph on my stock thunder tires.
velocitygt I went to the site and will get the same tires as you got, but which one of the slicks should I get? Too many to choose from. Want ones that will last and not wast out too quickly.
Where about in Australia are you bro ? I just brought a Thunder and would like a set of these tyres for mine . I’m a motorcycle mechanic and have all the tools to get it sorted , thanks heaps for a heads up on the procedure on how you went about it , i know how stupidly hard they are to change and appreciate you taking the time to explain it all !
Hey thanks so much for sharing your scooter upgrades. I live in Brissy and currently own an Inokim OXO (absolute junk) and a Zero 8X. I'm planning on getting a Dualtron Thunder next, might be as soon as next week, and would be awesome to have a scooter buddy to bounce ideas off. What state are you from?
Hi! Your video was a great help. I upgraded to the PMT stradale 100x55x6,5. What tyre pressures do you use? Stock tyres recommend 4.5 bar but it says 1.9 bar max on the tyre. What do you think?
Hey buddy... I know this is a older video but hopefully you will see this. I have a kaabo wolf warrior 11 and I believe its a 11 inch tire the same 90/60/65,and want some quality tires bad but when I go to there site they only have a 10 inch and 12 inch..... is that what you bought or did they have 11 inch when you bought it. Your thunder does use the same 11 inch tire correct?
Hi Guys, I’ve read the comments and there seems to be different sizes being mentioned for tyres. I would like the best tyre for the thunder that will give the best and safest ride. Can someone please confirm the best size? Thank you all in advance
Thanks mate for the great video. Ive just bought a thunder a week ago and you are right the tyres on this beast is noisy and doesn't seem to handle as good as my zero 10x which has narrower tyres. So i will definitely order a set of this PMT tyres. Is the 90/60/65 the widest tyres you can fit on the rim? Also i didn't see any of that size on the pocket racing website. Im interested in getting the slick tyres. New subscriber :)
Hi Rey, yes the tires have made a huge difference! I think the 90/60/65 is the widest as any wider may hit the guards. Slicks would be great on road however the stradale seem to be very grippy all round, I am yet to find their limits. Cheers
velocitygt ......if your seeing this comment can you please give me the brand name of theese tires because your link is not working for me and I need to replace my tires very soon on my kaabo wolf warrior and REALLY WANT QUALITY TIRES!!!!! thank you so much for any help you can provide me
Hi mate how are you? Great advice on the video, thank you. I am in BNE, could you please tell me where these tires can be purchased from? Are they stocked or all ordered in? Cheers pal!
Hey mate, no problems! The link to where i purchased is in the description. He ordered in for me not sure if he bought anymore stock at the time. Cheers
I see you have 90/60 6.5 but I've seen websites saying 110/55 6.5 and I was wondering would the 110 fit on without rubbing and maybe go on beads easily
supposedly its only the version 2 dualtrons they used that loctite on i managed to undo mine without a heat source just undo a 1/4 turn at a time also re-tighten them back an 1/8 of a turn after each loosening turn it takes alloy of patience lol
@@frederickoparah1669 here in France there's FastRide , check them out ,they should receive 'em in a weeks time ,,its astride who's gonna fix all that,,
9:41 you accelerate too much you wont be able ride 135km in stock 80-120 range LOL yes i have ride that range 25kph like max speed is and no need use power allways it rolls without power and safe battery. its huge diff on battery like ride 80kph or 25kph and then you add dualmotor UUUF
@@SuperGiantGeckosLLC Mid South Minimoto. I just orderd a set a PMT Juniors(90/65/6.5) for my dualtron ultra today. The tires weren't cheap and shipping was pretty expensive. They use Priority Mail or Priority Mail Express. I live in South Florida.👍✌
@@SuperGiantGeckosLLC yeah I've been running CST tires on my ultra. I've ran off road, street tires and I just ordered another set of street tires ,brake pads and tubes from ewheels. I've been hearing a lot of good things about these tires but couldn't find a place to order them. But today I did so I said what the hell and ordered a set. So I will just keep the new CST streets for backups.👍✌
Heya guys you should be able to use the PMT 90s but there is a trick to it and you dont need a bead blaster to do it have a look at this video. ua-cam.com/video/XSbMLQkLn2E/v-deo.html
Heya just wanted to say thanks again I have taken of my first wheel, here’s the process I followed
1. Used a heat gun with a 12mm nozzle attachment brought on amazon at 650 degrees from a 15cm distance
2. Pointed at the back side as advised where the screw, screws into
3. Applied direct heat for 5 minutes
4. Immediately unscrewed, by hand around 2 minutes
5. Waited for 10 minutes for the gun and wheel to cool
6. Repeated the process
Each nut takes just under 20 minutes so around 4 hours for both wheels. Once again thank you! You really saved me time on this, Dualtrons are easy to work on if you know what to expect, what things are called, and have the correct tools and parts.
Wont melt the casing of course not but less heat stronger less deformation and mainly trying not to melt the solder in the motor
Thank you, thank you, velocitygt. - I also read the Reddit message about the PMTs but didn't realize that there was going to be so much involved. Thanks again for all the essential details!!! I think I am going with the 110/55/6.5 that a poster stated would bead easier.
Thank you for this, honestly the loctite that they use is insanely strong. As for the tire upgrade I had not even considered this, so another thing to the list. I will be making a few videos myself in a month or so when complete all my mods, this has been a journey honestly, but have learnt sooooo much. Once again thank you.
Looks sick! These vids are an invaluable source of learning from experience. Like you say, every little thing always turns out much harder in the end, haha. Who would've thought those bolts would be THAT tight?!
You would think the heads would strip before breaking off!
Wow! I wish I would have took the time to see this video before I stripped 4 of the 6 screws on my Dualtron X2. Now I have a mess on my hands as I try to drill off the head of each screw. Thanks for sharing this. New Subscriber here.
WOW! Thanks for the warning. I got my thunder with the knobby tires which I'm happy with for off road jaunts. Gotta say though, for the price point I'm not happy with the overall quality of the Thunder. There was no included headlight for night rides, the neck creak developed within a month, the rear disk was catching, spare parts not so readily available, the throttle and brake leavers are not adjustable to a comfortable position (for me anyways). This tire replacing drama seems ott for a scooter. Have to say thanks for the uploads, I've ordered some spares from the Russian site link you left and learned a lot from your shared experience!
I have to agree, it's just a shame there is no real alternative with the same functionality and performance so we have to make the best of it! Glad I have helped!
i dont know, i love the thunder, i mean ur talking 100lbs in weight and it is going to make some noise, the neck creak also happened on my weped and zero 10x, so i think the thunder is still the flagship of all scooters!!
velocitygt Have you checked out the Kaabo Wolf Warrior? That’s supposed to superior to the ultra and thunder. Looks pretty badass as well. You can check out videos here on youtube of it. I even like the dirtbike style front suspension forks.
@@chrisgunn4741 Why is Kaabo Wolf Warrior superior to the ultra and thunder ?
@@MinimotorsUnitedKingdom It's supposed to be according to some reviewers. I'm sure some things are better than dualtron and some things better on the dualtron than the Kaabo. People seem to think it's build quality and parts are top notch, plus it does use Minimotors brushless motors, so it borrows from the Dualtron in that department. I don't own one, mainly because there's not really any accessory options for it like the optional seat or deck upgrades. I just thought Kaabo deserved a mention at least as it is another option to consider when purchasing a scooter in the Dualtron Ultra and Thunder range.
If you're going to do the ratchet Style strap method to seat the tires you have to put a generous amount of grease on the Inside Edge of the rim on both sides. Then ratchet it down and use high-pressure blasts to seat it and then clean the grease up that will come out. I've done it to many pieces of equipment that run tubeless tires. I even had a guy on somebody else's channel complaining about his scooter and he couldn't get the tires to seat. I told him what to do and he had success first try. Just an old school trick👍✌
JPO Orr Hey, sounds like an awesome tip. Have you got a link to the ratchet style method? What is the best way to high pressure blast? CO2 tank? Any information is great!!
@@enertiajnky sorry your comment never came through. Get a ratchet style tie down . Just a short inexpensive one will do. You can by at any Auto Parts or Walmart. After you get the tire on put a generous amount of grease on the Inside Edge of the rim on both sides. Then put the ratchet strap in the center of the tire and Ratchet it down until the beads spread close the edge of the at least until it reaches the grease and pushes it's some to make the seal. Then use a high-pressure blast say at least 70 to 90 PSI to get it to seat. Then undo to strap and make sure get it to 50 psi👍✌
@@jpoorr9973 Hey try silicone grease next time- normal grease might affect/dissolve the rubber
So update! I went to a pro and he used tire warmer to make the tire flexiable, and then a professional none marking tire changer. Also it would seem that 100x55x6,5 are better to fit, as the bead isnt as far away. If you are going to do this.. "Go to a professional" he also advised that the rims arent well made and far from the standard of Mini GP wheels, they should be far better made at this price point, thanks and please alway share information and your experiences help others, thanks Velocitygt!!!
So get the 100 55?
www.pocketracingimports.com.au/#!item?name=t41c-100-55r6-5&item=a3c19e11-a8b4-5001-92de-9961665fb542&store=108455179178874
how about the 110/50-6.5 do you think it will fit without rubbing issues on the brakes?
this is great mate im looking to get some for my ww11+
Hi thank you for your story I am doing my first tire change now. You said you broke 3 bolts what did you replace them with can you tell me the size of the bolts thanks.
So found a supplier in the UK but they will need to order from PMT, I was told that tyres in thise videso are a harder compound for road use, PMT made these tyres to be used in countries where they have vechiles that require these sizes,. Ther UK supplier will also fit the tyres with their machine, looks like it might be a six week wait however, every thing about the thunder is proving to be wait times and trial and error.
Freopa no that's cool. Any links to supplier? Do you have any place you will update on your experience?
@@tormodnicholasmortontorger205 www.pmt-tyres.co.uk (pmt stradale) Ian Harris is the contact super nice guy, I posted my wheels off to him, he put on the PMT's and posted them back, cant speak highly enough about this guy.
Im on reddit, affablefreddysocial is my username, I'm about 1 month away from completing my Dualtron Thunder Road Version project will post on reddit.
IMPORTANT 1. Specify both wheels are the same size. 2. Get the 100s not the 90s. 3. Request mounting for one tire left valve side and one tire right valve side, this will match what is one your thunder but double check.
Freopa
So you got the 100 tyres on ? Do they fit ? I’m looking at sending my rims off to pmt if they do a fitting service.
@@Oscar-Lima-4 Yes they do fit, read back through my replies for additional needed information. I'm Based in the UK that what the link was for.
Hello how many miles have you done and what problems have u got u still got the scooter ? And how long does it take for a tire change ?
Brilliant video excellent information thanks for bleeding for us so we don't have to go through this!
I would suppose that the wobble that happens at higher speeds during torque changes is greatly reduced also with all your upgrades suspension, ride height, and these tires.
Excellent job thank you!
What's funny is wasn't Dualtron claiming that tire changes are so easy the way this is set up?
LoL
Haha my hands were actually bleeding at many points during this project. The wobble has almost totally been eradicated now. I think the tires have also played a big part in that.
Yes I think Dualtron did claim easy tire changes, hilarious...
@@pureroadster59 they are easy to change, the thunder is not hard at all to change the tires, i have had much harder scooters to change the tires and no speed wobble at 50mph on my stock thunder tires.
velocitygt I went to the site and will get the same tires as you got, but which one of the slicks should I get? Too many to choose from. Want ones that will last and not wast out too quickly.
@@spirosaroukos1288 you want the stradale tread.
Please post link to actual tires you have used . Can not find the tire in the link you posted.
Where about in Australia are you bro ? I just brought a Thunder and would like a set of these tyres for mine . I’m a motorcycle mechanic and have all the tools to get it sorted , thanks heaps for a heads up on the procedure on how you went about it , i know how stupidly hard they are to change and appreciate you taking the time to explain it all !
In Melbourne dude! You are going to love it! And you will have an easy time tinkering with it too haha
Are these tubeless tires?
Hey thanks so much for sharing your scooter upgrades. I live in Brissy and currently own an Inokim OXO (absolute junk) and a Zero 8X. I'm planning on getting a Dualtron Thunder next, might be as soon as next week, and would be awesome to have a scooter buddy to bounce ideas off. What state are you from?
Hi! Your video was a great help. I upgraded to the PMT stradale 100x55x6,5. What tyre pressures do you use? Stock tyres recommend 4.5 bar but it says 1.9 bar max on the tyre. What do you think?
Thank you for posting this great video. Do you know where I can get my Dualtron Thunder serviced in Melbourne, Victoria?
Please let me know where I can purchase these tires
Am trying to fit the tyres atm and yes it's a major challenge I'm having getting the tyre to bead it's killing me I'm almost going to a tube I think
buddy was ur tyre size 10 X 3
Hey ,awesome swap !
Can you please provide info regarding the cable sleeving you have done ?Do you have a link for the plastic coil you have used?
Hey buddy... I know this is a older video but hopefully you will see this. I have a kaabo wolf warrior 11 and I believe its a 11 inch tire the same 90/60/65,and want some quality tires bad but when I go to there site they only have a 10 inch and 12 inch..... is that what you bought or did they have 11 inch when you bought it. Your thunder does use the same 11 inch tire correct?
Hey mate 10inch is correct, I thought the kaboo has has a bigger wheel than the thunder.
Just tried contacting them, and it says their email address is incorrect and the site is down. Have they gone out of business?
Thanks for sharing your experiences. What's the name and exact sizing of the tire?
minimotorscanada.com/collections/accessories/products/pmt-100-55-r6-5-b-stradale
Anyone tried 110/50-6.5 tires on their Thunder? will it rub?
Hi Guys,
I’ve read the comments and there seems to be different sizes being mentioned for tyres. I would like the best tyre for the thunder that will give the best and safest ride. Can someone please confirm the best size? Thank you all in advance
Can you please tell me how much km you got from the tires?
About 5000km riding hard
@@pureroadster59 thanks for the feedback, you helped a lot. Cheers man
Thanks mate for the great video. Ive just bought a thunder a week ago and you are right the tyres on this beast is noisy and doesn't seem to handle as good as my zero 10x which has narrower tyres. So i will definitely order a set of this PMT tyres. Is the 90/60/65 the widest tyres you can fit on the rim? Also i didn't see any of that size on the pocket racing website. Im interested in getting the slick tyres. New subscriber :)
Hi Rey, yes the tires have made a huge difference! I think the 90/60/65 is the widest as any wider may hit the guards. Slicks would be great on road however the stradale seem to be very grippy all round, I am yet to find their limits. Cheers
Hello there, was wondering where did you purchase your foot rest on the rear of the scooter? Do you have a website link or part number for it? Thanks
dualtron-rus.ru/en.php
velocitygt ......if your seeing this comment can you please give me the brand name of theese tires because your link is not working for me and I need to replace my tires very soon on my kaabo wolf warrior and REALLY WANT QUALITY TIRES!!!!! thank you so much for any help you can provide me
Hey mate these are PMT tires
Hi mate how are you? Great advice on the video, thank you. I am in BNE, could you please tell me where these tires can be purchased from? Are they stocked or all ordered in? Cheers pal!
Hey mate, no problems! The link to where i purchased is in the description. He ordered in for me not sure if he bought anymore stock at the time. Cheers
minimotorscanada.com/collections/accessories/products/pmt-100-55-r6-5-b-stradale
I see you have 90/60 6.5 but I've seen websites saying 110/55 6.5 and I was wondering would the 110 fit on without rubbing and maybe go on beads easily
hey bro im eyeing with this 110/55-6.5 tires aswell did you ever fit it in your thunder?
@@electric_rider2044 yes better fit. No problems
@@davidm6975 thank you.
Where can we buy these tires???
Hi there is your supplier still stocking these I'm in Melbourne look for these
Hey mate no he never has stock. Need to source from overseas somehow.
supposedly its only the version 2 dualtrons they used that loctite on i managed to undo mine without a heat source just undo a 1/4 turn at a time also re-tighten them back an 1/8 of a turn after each loosening turn it takes alloy of patience lol
Might ask Justin at extreme toys to do mine before he ships it out to me
mPky1 from memory it’s the disc rotor pattern and maybe something else
mPky1 the circle hole pattern in the disc is series 2
heya are your tires the same size front and back, please let me know asap
Yep!
@@pureroadster59 Thanks
BEST tool to use is an vinyl floor heat gun with the narrow tube to direct heat to each of the hex bolts they are pricey but you can also hire em
Not going their . Car tyres are bad enough.
Thks for info could give full details of name and size of tyres , not sur if they available in France?
www.pmt-tyres.it/it/m1/6-5-minimoto/item/437-m088s14-b00.html#
they definately are avialble in france 65 euro each if i remember
@@frederickoparah1669 yup i'm gonna receive them in 10days & for 49euro each, once all pimped will post a photo
@@rasleeaj3400 here's the thing how are you going to get them on?? I'm looking around in London for a tire place that will do it
@@frederickoparah1669 here in France there's FastRide , check them out ,they should receive 'em in a weeks time ,,its astride who's gonna fix all that,,
9:41 you accelerate too much you wont be able ride 135km in stock 80-120 range LOL yes i have ride that range 25kph like max speed is and no need use power allways it rolls without power and safe battery. its huge diff on battery like ride 80kph or 25kph and then you add dualmotor UUUF
Hi want to worth buying you Dualtron thunder?
Yes!
How long you had yours? How many year it can last ?
@@ericappiah9652 2 years no problems so far
Too expensive for me I mean $300 for 2 tires.
I’ll stick with stock for $50
Samsun O.O they cost 60 each in europe (radial pmt)
Unsecure site for the tires yo
If you're in the states go to MidsouthMiniMoto.com👍✌
Even worse! It’s not even a site!
@@SuperGiantGeckosLLC Mid South Minimoto. I just orderd a set a PMT Juniors(90/65/6.5) for my dualtron ultra today. The tires weren't cheap and shipping was pretty expensive. They use Priority Mail or Priority Mail Express. I live in South Florida.👍✌
Ok now that works👍
@@SuperGiantGeckosLLC yeah I've been running CST tires on my ultra. I've ran off road, street tires and I just ordered another set of street tires ,brake pads and tubes from ewheels. I've been hearing a lot of good things about these tires but couldn't find a place to order them. But today I did so I said what the hell and ordered a set. So I will just keep the new CST streets for backups.👍✌
Heya guys you should be able to use the PMT 90s but there is a trick to it and you dont need a bead blaster to do it have a look at this video. ua-cam.com/video/XSbMLQkLn2E/v-deo.html