Reasons why I can't recommend the GoPro Max 😕 + BIG GIVEAWAY!
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Wow!!! Daniel Schiffer is a God as skateboarding!!!! Not as good as me at kickflips but Still!!! Pretty dang good!!
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Yeah, Daniel didn't even get any blood or bone on the 360 camera. How is he going to generate the mega clicks needed with those kind of kickflip skills? Come on Daniel. . . 🤕
Naaaaa, he can't make a thumnail. :)
Let's do an elbow check and see who wins the kickflip battle 😎
Is this only me or anyone else who is hearing his voice while reading his comment.
09:30 - GoPro actually came out with that before, when Fusion was released-they call it Overcapture (via GoPro App). It's actually still available to use for GoPro MAX as well. Just click the 3 dots at the upper right portion during Reframe mode, and select Overcapture.
Your Right, I used the Fusion just recently.
This needs to be pinned because its a massive omission from the review
Scrolled to the comments to find out more about this. Thanks for flagging it!
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Thanks!
actually with max, you CAN point your phone around instead of manually putting keyframes
same with Insta...
@@christoffersjoberg1622 yeah but in the video he said you couldn't do that with the Max
You can do the "Over capture" but that's not using the keyframes. I tried it a few times but ends up in a video that's not a neat as using the keyframes. However, I didn't find using the keyframes particularly slower and time-consuming in any way, it was just as efficient as using over capture or mimic.
he does not have much experience at the time of making this video with the max so he has a bit biased opinion. the max is great, especially hero mode with horizon lock.
i was waiting for someone in the comment section correct him
Hmm but u didnt use the gopro flat profile...
Cheese on Everything yeah lolll
lol his opinion is literally nonexistent even though the max looks way better on gopro mode and has better dynamic range plus he didn't even test out the flat video setting before I outing his opinion about video quality this dude is bias or hes just not ready to leg go of the One X lmao
Right
Next video: I Was Wrong About Max ...lol, sorry man. I just don't see it. Even if you completely ignore Hero mode, vlogging mode, waterproofing, durability, Pro Tune, and audio quality I still think it looks better. Slow motion in 3k 360? What's that crop to for 16:9? Sounds like Canon's 120fps 720p...wouldn't use it anyway.
Why didn’t you play around with protune options to see if you could get better image quality and dynamic range etc?
Because he wanted to give bad review... He said... Hopefully Go Pro fixed dual SD card issue.... "Hopefully?" Really? You tested it Liar...
Next he is complaining about Screen on Go Pro... Why 360 needs screen... Wow not very convincing argument...
He is not giving credit for water proof camera.... Come on Go Pro will be amazing to shoot in rain...
He is a complain box.
Kas Modiya or.. he just knows What he want and the Gopro Max is not it? The insta 360 scratches his itch, and seriously I agree with some of his points. The screen is useless to me, I was fine with the insta 360s. I love to do slow motion so that right there is a dealbreaker to me! And also, I don’t film when it rains and gets wet, cuz the drips on the lenses destroys the pic most of the time in my opinion.
So no, better in some aspects, but not good enough.
@@ARRayWilliamJohnson yep, dude had no experience with the camera when making the video.
just got one and went to get views. no real-world usage for any period of time.
BS clutching at straws with this bias "review"
Surprised you didn't even try the flat profile on the gopro - a bit disappointed.
To my eyes the Max image looks better but that’s just IMO. Good review.
I asked my 6 yo which picture was clearer and he pointed to go pro dude bumped his head
The ground detail is great for the GoPro but non existent for the Insta360
I agree, I like the MAX image quality way more, lots of details, sky is blue, marks on the ground, good contrast,.. where Insta look washed out, also lots of lens flares from the sun - which you can't remove at all.
Agreed that Gopro max is definitely not this good as it promises, but the quality images and colors between Max and Insta one x is definitely better on the Max: look at 4:34 to 4:46 for example, the best sharpness, the more details on the flooring, the better colors of the sky. Don't joke. Have you seen your videos before sayin image quality is better on the insta? Seems not. Or you're just more familiar with the Insta.
But still I agree with the fact that Max do not convince...
Right on Relso - whether viewing at 1080 or 2160/4K, the image quality is WAY BETTER on the Max. Ditto with audio quality. But agreed, Insta's intuitive mimic mode is great so I'd say it's a draw for those doing lots of overcapture editing (slowmo and $100 difference aren't gamechangers for me). Thanks for the thoughtful review.
Righr on point, the amount of details max captures is way more than insta. This guy is not using flat setting to do the comparison.... I don't know what is he doing
Hang Yuri Yang , Relso, do you own a Max? Just got the cam and I’m on a short vacation and shocked about the image quality: setup is 360, copies to iPad and rendered in GoPro app. The 1080 file is horrible. The sharpness works maybe for everything within 1-2m from the camera. Anything beyond is really really blurry.
Envy those shots in all the videos. How do they get those crisp videos. The only difference I can think of: sunny day versus clouded day. Any ideas?
Last: is there a quality difference by rendering it on an iPad vs on a desktop (FCPx)?
Model3GER Dirk Röder I am thinking to get one... we don’t have a local retailer... which kind sucks... Gopro shouldn’t make this terrible stuff... hmmm have you tested on PC?
Hang Yuri Yang not yet. I own a Mac and can’t wait to make a comparison. So far footage is a disappointment
i phone: i phone 11...MAX
GoPro: note that down...
Haha 😂
Man! You’re comparing Gopro Color against a flat color.
As profesional, you should film flat and you will like it
Can confirm, I have one and the flat profile is great. Gopro colour modes are junk
ya then make it best in post
you can even tell even with the contrast that the gopro has a better dynamic range.. the insta is blown out a lot more than the gopro when filming into the sun in the video even with the contrast
Hmmm. To me the goPro max footage looks much better. Sure it's a bit oversaturated, but any video app will fix that. The footage on the right is grainy and washed out & it is obviously being captured at a much lower bitrate.
9:35 MAX has OverCapture in "reframe mode", which is like "mimic" mode. Just press more next to the save button, then you'll see it :)
Question can I connect a huge battery pack and record 6 to 8 hours straight with no interruptions or system blackouts/shutdowns?
Can I record from front and back and switch between the two in my video, so it looks just like a normal video to upload here on UA-cam?
I am pretty sure there is the mimic type capture on the Max. Before I learned to do the Keyframes on the Max I made a video of my kid riding his bike by spinning around in my chain and following him reviewing a 360 video.
Did you try the flat profile on GoPro Max and colorgrade it?
What about ProTune and manual color correcting?
One X is so fragile and I changed to Max in a heartbeat
phil Man exactly
So true
OP even said "action camera", meaning not walking around like a tourist. Gopro is built to take a few knocks. The One X/X2 I very much doubt could survive one drop to tarmac. You can't even lay it on a table without scratching the lenses. Need to buy and replace the protective cover lenses every so often.
I love to snowboard but I'm scared I drop the insta360 on the snow as I fall from time to time...
with that being said do you recommend the gopro max because is waterproof? (I fall at least once per run)
I've been using both since the Max launched (and the clunky fusion before it), and I can't recommend the Insta over the Max. While the touch screen has a learning curve, its soooo much better than the 2 button insta. Also not worrying about it dropping is a huge deal, the Insta feels like it just wants to burst. The Hero mode was definitely disappointing (for the price tag I was expecting at least 2.7k, 3.2k or 4k), but having that option is a huge deal over the Insta.
I will note that I'm forever skeptical of Gopros in general and have probably never liked the footage or photos coming out of them, I just think the Max has a few edge over the Insta (especially for travel).
My only major gripe with the MAX is the usbc port being inside the battery cover, so dummy power isn't really an option, and my Mac doesn't detect the Gopro's micro SD most of the time (outside lightroom). Would have loved to have seen a raw mode for the images too.
My insta broke within 3 days of purchase lol 😂
Hello Matti. What is that electric skateboard u r using?
Onewheel pint 😊
Great videos Matti! I am not really into 360 camera's at the moment, but I love you're videos! By the way, do you have any advice for someone who is looking for a good 1080p or even possibly 4k Vloging camera, at around 300-400 dollars? preferably Canon, Sony, or Panasonic. Thanks for making awesome videos! :D Edit: and I agree, that the new one looks worse than the older one!
Hi, Thanks for the helpful comparison.
I'm looking for a way to film BTS of my photography adventures. I need both my hands to be free. What would you recommend ? 🤔
Hey Matty, you can already export your footage with the Gopro app with the "mimic mode". Give a look to Overcapture into the GoPro App, it's in the menu at top right (the 3 white point) when you are in the keyframe mode. 👌
Did you try filming in poor light? I have fusion and when I film on cloudy days footage looks like garbage but on sunny days it's awesome. Also what about desktop editing? In past I did have clumsy workflow into Premier, GoPro reframe, out to 1080p then edit in my regular videos. It's cumbersome for sure, but generally I'm just chopping up very short clips and reframing.
How is the quality on MAX in linear mode? On my Hero 6 it is much better than on MAX.
Love your stuff man but why do the comparison without shooting in the flat mode on the GoPro? That’s like if I compared two Sony cameras, shot S-log3 on one and standard on the other then complained about color and dynamic range.
Could you say me this ? Which one is your choose ? I dont know ? Go pro max or insta 360 one x2
Hello congratulations on the channel. Do you know if there is any remote compatible with the gopro max? smart remote ect .. thanks
Thanks for this video! It's a really helpful primer for folks who want to jump into 360 cameras.
Also, my mom loves your beard and wishes mine looked as good as yours! Keep the videos coming!
Bro is it able to use insta 360 mount to bike as a gopro??
Do another review cos u missed:
-OVERCAPTURE (same as mimic mode)
-DIDNT USE FLAT (even gopro color mode has more depth and richer colors then insta360
-VLOGin mode
-1080p live streaming mode
U can actually slow it 30fps footage to 80% in post if u use 24fps. But agreed its bad MAX dont have proper slowmotion
The MAX has a flat color profile option? Cool. I'll look for that.
"It just looks better to me"
All I see is that it doesn't capture as much detail, washed out. That pseudo-airbrush effect of less fidelity is _not_ an endorsement.
Can you PLEASE do a video on how you organize, stitch, and work with the files from the 360 one x. I must be doing something wrong because it takes me way to long!!!!
Is it just me or is there more detail in the gopro footage at 4:10 for example?
Yeah, looks like it. The Insta 360 looked smoother, so I guess it is a question of personal taste which one would look better.
The Gopro is way more crisp! Look at the ground😮
Way more detail all the time. The 360 doesn't pick up any of it and seems soft in a small window and really soft at full screen. Would be harder to notice on its own where you wouldn't miss some of the details, but with a comparison it seems really lacking.
Hi Matti, I love my insta 360 as much as my GoPro 5, apart from the 2 button system, it is so easy to use, quick question, where did you get the rubber cover for the Insta 360 please? I'm always worried about scratching the lens? regards Chris
Is it fair to compare a flat mode to a graded in camera mode? In a flat mode you're going to get better reproduction on the whites and blacks that you can grade later...? I feel like facial detail and the skaters dark clothing were where I noticed the image quality differences most.
i've been trying those 2 also, and i had the same feeling, just wanted to know if anybody had the same feeling lol Thank you!
Well I just bought one, so should I feel bad about it?
does he just mean that the MAX can't do slow motion on the mobile app? you of coarse can get quality slomo when editing on desktop, correct?
Thank you for this Matti! Really been between these two cameras since the MAX came out. You brought up a lot of good points. I was leaning towards the Insta360 either way, now I’m sold!
Salutes from Florida. Great Intro, Daniel shredded that skate park. And thank you for this very honest review. Ive been waiting for a comparison video with the insta360oneX And you answered all my questions. I wish insta360 releases a new 360camera with better video quality.?
MAX has overcapture as well as reframe! Overcapture is the original mimic mode.
Hey Matti! Could you put out more narrative content? I’m curious to see what your style is like 😁
I too have the Insta, what settings do you use on the video mode on your Insta...general recording not slow motion. Your footage looks great! Sunny days definitely help, I’m just wondering if mine are a little off. Thanks for your help!
What kind of battery do you need for the Insta360 ONE X and how do you replace the battery? Hope you see this and well done video • Cheers from the Detroit & Mackinac Railway 🚂
I usually wind myself up about UA-cam Yaysayers, who seem to sell their soul and pretty much do pure brand promotion.
But I gotta hand it to you. Fair points and good critique! Keep it up and keep it honest, cheers.
Matti, fyi Max does have the virtual camera feature that you like but it's buried in the app.
Those audio plug ins are VERY nice. As someone investing in the new GoPro for the purpose of shooting straight out of camera, having something to finesse the audio would be awesome considering I have NO idea about anything audio 😍
Heck yea 🙌🏻
What happens if you throw your phone while it's in Mimik Mode
Hello all! Great video! That time of year again. Time to upgrade. Do I go for hero 10 or Hero Max. I know two different cameras. I have an old gear and hero 8 black. Which should I go for anyone please? Opinions greatly appreciated! Thanks I’m advance. I can’t help but think there’s a new hero max around the corner?
I dont get it!
Ok, Im watching on a 1080 screen and its possible that my speed on the stream is a bit slow....but!!
The Max image is a bit much contrast and saturated. Like if you drop the clip on the timeline and do the regular s-curve a bit to much and "ship it", but its ok I guess?
But the Insta360 looks if I would drop a slightly overexposed clip on the timeline and drag the shadows way UP!!??
I dont know if Im totaly wrong here bc Matti has al my respect.
The skating surface is the thing I watched closely and on the MAX you can see the details, its concrete right!
But on the Insta360 it look's as they skate on sand...?
Im I way of here? Im out for a 360 cam and this one just got me a headache! :(
PS: OverCapture is still a feature in the app--you don't have to keyframe--but it's hidden under the ... symbol only AFTER you select Keyframe mode. OverCapture has been a feature of the app since early 2018.
Question: when is the new insta 360 coming out? If the one x is their answer to the fusion they should be making a new one soon.
Love your videos Matti. Thanks for the insights 👌👍
Matti which camera you used to record your intro ???
Solid comparison. My primary use case for a 360 cam is skiing/snowboarding and I have found that the Insta360 ONE X does not handle the cold well at all, though the cold weather batteries helped a little. I find that with helmet and gloves on the Insta360 ONE X is hard to interact with. The buttons are unusable, the beeps too quiet, and the screen is not bright enough to handle the light on the slopes. Curiously, the previous Insta360 ONE was better in these areas, easy to find buttons, loud enough beeps, etc. Still looking for that just-right-for-skiing 360 cam!
I could see the potential of these 360 cameras to capture the crowd. I remember using 3 cameras just to record a classroom activity & thought how easy it would have been if i had these. Good comparison btw.
Such a great review Matt. I was thinking to buy a Max but after this I'll just wait for Insta360 2. I think they'll make a great job. Thanks
Hey matti, solid review. Just a note, there is that same mimic capture mode in the app, it’s called overcapture and it’s the older method GoPro had of reframing. It’s a little hidden but if you click on the properties of any clip in reframe there’s an option for “overcapture”. And yeah I agree that color profile is looking pretty crushed - there will be a lot of updates coming out in the next few weeks to address early release issues. Cheers !
Solid review?! It's clear from everyone commenting about the substance of the review and the evidence of their own eyes, rather than "Hey, you're so amazing, even when you screw up." that Matti blew it big time on this one. Kinda casts other 'reviews' in a different light. Is this the norm or an aberration?
Sort out the stitching on the Max though. Several reviews show it (but *fail* to mention....) is wonky on one side with objects well beyond 5m, so not a lens spacing issue. Just messed up. As it's done in camera and we have no control: Doh!
BerenFishe yeah there will be updates to stitch quality as well.
Well I went with the GoPro Max.. And the one thing that I totally agree with Matti about is the lack of slow motion.. This was a surprise and totally baffling to me?? I would think that it was very much possible to do it... I am hoping that it will be a software update ?? Anyone think that's possible?? Thx
mike moncrief that’s pretty disappointing! I was going to get the Max but it seems like they tried to force you to buy two cameras between the 8 and the max to get all the features
Hi, I liked your review. Great. I have 2 comments: 1.) the video you showed to my eyes looked a bit better (colour saturation, sharpness) on the GoPro Max. I've seen similar comments below. Don't you agree? 2.) how do the still 360 pictures compare? I've heard that the Insta 1x is slightly better...... could you comment? or make a video on that? Many thanks!
I've been using my Max for a bit over a week and the flat profile is a must. My Hero's you can use the GoPro colour if you're wanting a quick video but I found the Max, particularly in darks, lost too much detail for me to feel happy with the results.
Great video.👌🏼😉 Thanks for the great advice!.👍
I will agree, that the Insta360 footage does look more naturally colored, but you also had it labeled as color corrected, right? I'm wondering if you shot the GoPro footage in the GoPro color picture profile? Definitely needs to be shot in flat if you're going to color be correcting/grading. I'm definitely noticing the bitrate difference when I pause anytime during the side-by-side between 4:15-4:45. The texture of the cement, small rocks, cracks, are all visible in the GoPro Max footage. Not so in the Insta360 footage, it's all smoothed out due to the lower bitrate and compression performed by uploading to UA-cam.
Just my input from an ex-GoPro Media Editor.
Drone shots in Canada now are such a rare thing haha! Nice to see some at the beginning Matti
So when is insta 360 one x going release a newer version? 🤔
Redd Anselmo that’s the real question.
When GoPro make a better 360 camera... until then enjoy the ( one x )
I was told that we would have news this week...but haven’t heard anything since.
Soon probably since qoocam just ate everyone’s lunch this week😎
The new version will be released on April 16 2024, it is going to be the insta360 X4
Great video as Always Matti, always very helpful greetings from NYC.
Hey Matti, even though the Insta360 One X is missing a Hero Mode, the App offers a similar option. It creates a field of view that looks like it was filmed on a regular wide angle camera. As far as I can tell it even desqueezes the footage a bit so it doesn't look like it's from an action cam. To enable it, select the eight squares in the aspect ratio settings before exporting. Also thank you for this review. It's good to know that GoPro yet again dropped the ball in the 360 Game 😁
When is the new version of insta 360 one x coming ???
Matti, I really need to know where the spot at the beginning of the video is at. I'll even do some cool motorcycle tricks for you if you tell me! lol
Another problem with GoPro MAX is that the two lenses are _offset._ I have no idea why they did that. Perhaps they thought objects are far enough away from the camera that the stitching won't show, and it's true unless... you have your camera helmet-mounted and your activity involves both close and faraway objects, like paragliding: the helmet appears cut in half whenever it appears in the frame and the lines from the harness to the wing appear strangely distorted or broken.
Big fan from Malaysia, love the before and after with internal mic by using the plug-in. Definitely would use the 1500 for better audio equipment
Think you missed a few details. 1. Max is 78mpbs at H265 vs up to 120mpbs h264 on 360x. 2. Max can do 1440 @ 60fps not good but better than 1080. 3. you can use over capture to get the same mimic effect
I have both cameras. My opinion is even in your comparison the gopro is much sharper and vibrant and I like that versus flat graded video. Also why is it wierd that it has a screen when it functions and a 360 and 180 action / vlogging camera and it makes adjustmenting settings way easier than the button pushing on the 1X. And you have added protection for the lenses, water proof and a pretty easy phone editing package. The only thing I dont like about editing on the max is if you zoom there is no way to tell were normal is if you want to got back so the 1X gets props for the slider, imposed stats and tracking in there editing software. Finally the 1X does stitch a little better because of the body style if you are a stitch line snob.
Was researching 360’s cameras and pleasantly surprised your using my instrumental on your video. Shout out Musicbed!
With $1500 cash, I'd finally be able to buy the EOS R. I've been saving but it's slow.
Oh man I hope you win!
@@mattih Me too! :) Thanks for all the tutorials and reviews. I've learned so much between you and Peter...
same !! I am saving to buy an EOS R, thanks to a few people like Matti and Potato jet who use it (despite all canon haters and a7iii fans)
@@_galterius you wont be disappointed
Couldn’t be more right, the insta is SO simple and the software/app is so user friendly! Great work Matti
The bitrate is 60mbps with h.265 video, the much larger file size could be due to the fact it's recording 360 Audio from the 6 microphones?
community.gopro.com/t5/en/MAX-Video-Settings-and-Resolutions/ta-p/396173
Thanks for a candid review 👍 I love my Hero 7 Black and I thought about getting the Max, You’ve put me off now :)
If you edit the GoPro Max on PC you can export in "CineForm" and the quality is epic on that. It's like shooting RAW on a DSLR. Can easily lift up the shadows when colour grading without ruining the quality and bring detail back into the sky when reducing the highlights. It's also better at night which wasn't tested in this video.
Thanks for honest review, I was gonna buy it for skiing but I guess I’ll stick with my hero 7
I like 360, but this review is wrong in so many places. 360 outputs mp4 which you then have to convert to a non compressed format to be able to work properly on them, unless you have hours working your keyframes. What better workflow are you talking about? They even rely on GoPro's plugins on Pr for crying out loud. The bitrate on Max is half, so file sizes are half, not double (78 vs 150). Google! The mimic mode thing is available on Max as well. I'm trying hard to figure out which part of this video was actually accurate.
Thanks for the honest review of both cams man. I am in the desicion process of buying one or the other and your opinion is more trustworthy than all the gopro fans out there. Thanks!
Thank you for sharing; great information and comparison!
why you don't talk about other advantages like LCD screen, etc.?
not fair to not have used the Flat colour mode on both. of course you'd get more dynamic range on GoPro with the flat colour mode 🤷♂️
i like the contrast better on the GoPro, but I guess that's easily solved in post?
Could you please change the title to "why I can't recommend the GoPro Max for consumers”?
Right now its a very misleading title as this is obviously not a professional workflow that you're talking about. For consumers i totally get your points, you want to transfer the file to your phone, export it and upload it directly to your instagram stories.
I have used the Fusion a bunch with the protune flat settings, exporting the files through the desktop software fusion studio and i’m 100% certain that these examples is not showcasing the full potential of the GoPro Max.
I don’t want to sound like a hater/fan boy, all i’m saying is theres more to gather out of the GoPro Max in terms of image quality.
Damn, I were hoping to see better reviews. :( But I think I'll still go with the GoPro Max instead of Insta 360, because I want it to double as my vloging camera and for me the waterproof factor is huge. But one thing I can't find answer to is - is it possible to edit GoPro 360 video on laptop or is it just on phones? Everyone keeps talking about the phone editing process and zero mentions if there are any other options at all.
Your making me miss rollerblading!
Haha I wanted to skate it so bad!
I look forward to upgrading my camera, this will help me with ALOT future goals...
Is that Daniel Schiffer???
100%
Yo! What about Panasonic s1h?
I feel like either the title of this video is misleading. If this was a "personal impressions" video, it would be fine as is. But if you're going to make a video intended to help others make a PURCHASE DECISION (as the title implies), then I think it's worth either A) being fair with the comparison by doing moderate exploration/research into the products or B) being forwardly OPEN about not doing moderate exploration/research into the products. Either are totally reasonable.
You listed the "mimic" mode on the Insta360 being a major factor for why you prefer it, but didn't google or moderately dig into the options for the gopro to discover that it has that feature too, called "overcapture." Also, with the colors, you mentioned you liked the Insta360 default picture better, right out of the box, which is fine, but it would have been more fair to at least acknowledge that the GoPro has settings that you can adjust as well as a flat color profile.
At the end of the day, it's your channel and you should do whatever you want. If this was JUST a "personal impressions" video, then you could simply say, "hey, I don't like this for any number of reasons" and it doesn't matter what anybody else says because it's just your personal experience and opinion, no problem. BUT... if you're making a video intended to help with a purchase decision (as the title implies), then you should at least be fair in your comparisons or open about not being fair, because otherwise it 1) makes this video feel clickbaity and 2) damages credibility.
Anyways, still appreciate the work put into this video, I just found the title really misleading, which seems trivial, but in a world where many people don't do a lot of research before they purchase, I think it's worth encouraging all content creators to have more accurate titles.
I absolutely loved your video, you said things that I wanted to say to gopro in a long time , I actually returned my insta360 one x to buy a max yesterday, and after realizing how hard it is to get a good working video, I regret ever buying this max, but it's TRUE I love that its water proof, and good audio , but that's it , when I save enough money I'll re buy the insta360 one x again, I'm subscribing to your channel because you have an honest (clickbait free) presentation
I like you guys skating using the action camera. I am a skater too. I use One R twin edition and GoPro 8 black for a rapid capture 2D vlog. GoPro are the best at the traditional wide angle action camera and the quick capture get you to Vlog at anytime when you only need a 2D video.