My nephew with autism is the kindest and best of kids. Autism isn't the excuse. How his autism was accepted and treated by those who cared for him is probably the issue.
Exactly it’s a Neurological problem in the brain and thought patterns it’s how you are wired up while growing in mothers womb . It’s how you perseeve the world and things around you act and see things differently to others it is not schizophrenia bipolar psychosis they are serious mental health issues
There's no point discussing it, they will never bring it back. You can't even find a guest who believes in it. Life in prison should not be such an attractive option, they don't have to support themselves, work, pay enormous bills, they are given ipads and all sorts of lovely stuff. For people like him, prison should be hell on earth.
Yes ,they should bring back the DP the whole country has criminals like him. Rape gangs might think twice. Autism is no way responsible for what he did. He was fascinated by murder. His parents were scared of him. He won’t get parole ever. Phil is a softie and can’t see that everything in the garden is not always Rosie. The uk needs to be tough they would have less inmates in prison if the DP the last call.
Axel was NOT Muslim. He also had materials and literature on the Nazis, IRA, slavery, Rwandan genocide, etc. He was obsessed with extreme violence. Last year at the time, the false rumour being spread online which led to riots where, that he was an illegal Muslim asylum seeker from Iraq who came on a boat. That’s why mosques were targeted.
Look, any dumbo knows the truth is what he wants it to be. So if this muslim arrived on a small boat from Wuhan with a paedophile ring to do the rowing, that's what happened.
Autism is not a mental health issue although there are comorbities (mental health issues frequently accompany alongside autism) but autism itself is not a mental illness. Also many autistic individuals DO function in society providing they have received the support that they need
Stating a fact is not an insult. His vulnerability IS relevant There are neurodivergent murderers and neurotypical murderers. Being neurodivergent does not automatically make you a good person (I myself am diagnosed with autism) Neurodivergent folk are fully human, there a criminals in every section of society, the neurodivergent community is not immune to criminality A form of ableism is patronising neurodivergent folk, thinking they are sweet and cute and harmless and not fully human -it is a part of ignorant dehumanisation although it's well meaning
There is going to be no death penalty, just accept that. But this creep is behind bars now and society is safe from him. I am sure the other prisoners will be getting aquainted with him soon enough.
Its such an insult to the families for him to be in prison, he has brought so much pain to them and now they, like the rest of us will be paying to keep him alive in prison such an insult.
Autism....NOT A FACTOR! Talk to the parents of those children. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. No remorse, no guilt and ready to kill even more. Totally agree - Bring back capital punishment, we will pay millions in keeping him protected in Prison. Use the money in the children's memory and NOT ON HIM!
It might work for a few murders but most murders can be very technical and i dont trust juries to make the correct decisions,in ither words it will cist the taxpayer a lot more because 8nvestigations will have to be triple or more thoughro, otherwise we could end up with a lot if dead innocent people
Focusing on medieval punishment and getting red in the face with anger has always been this countries downfall. It is only through a well educated and healthy society with functioning safeguards that you can stop people like this from doing what he did. So many opportunities to stop him, and the reality is, your child could be next. How many other people do you think are out there that have been reported numerous times to the authorities and ignored. If you could see all of those people, you would demand that they be dealt with before doing something unspeakably evil.
People shouldn't blame the judges when they are only implementing the decisions of our politicians. The death penalty is impossible, even if the British people voted for it in a referendum, while we are still a signatory to the European convention on human rights, and the Human rights act is still on the statute book.
If you are born and bred in Britain you are British. In fact just rared there from childhood is enough. Bad random things happen, welcome to the real world.
Keeping him alive , what is the point . Screws will have tp protect him even if they dont want to .Also he could radicallsed other young boys . yes even behind bars
@555555345 he's going to an adult prison so no he can't radicalise young boys, also he is not a terrorist with and doesn't have an ideology courts determined so radicalise them into what?/with what?
I agree.Why did the cabbie just let him out the cab without paying.If he had chased after him and called the police.this MAY have prevented the atrocity at this point
Anne, with all due respect, that's a silly statement. The taxi driver was preserving his own welfare by not pursuing him. How on earth would you expect him to foresee what was going to happen? Nobody could.
The point is that its like saying Schizophrenia doesnt cause murder. And thats true, for most people it doesn't. But in isolated cases it can. The same with autism.Part of autism is that people can have intense obsessions and passionate fixations. But that aside, most autistic people know the difference between right and wrong, and make the exact same choice everyone else does
No comparison with schizophrenia people with schizophrenia are more likely to commit violent acts whereas autistic people less likely to be violent than the general population. It’s not a contributing factor whatsoever and an insult to people with autism
Who is this fella in the blue suit ?? Woke panel again, when there is no question of guilt death penalty, he was caught bloodied knife in hand why theses callers bringing oh what if they were innocent ! We are talking about 100 per cent guilt here.
This case might be 💯. But what about other cases. If you open that door it implies to all. In USA they say for every 10 executed at least one is innocent.
@@traceygriffiths8594 ... and the USA has 6 times more murders than the UK ! It's not a deterrent, it makes it worse. Also, spending the rest of your life in solitary is far worse than being hung.
In cases like this YES The Death Penatly should be brought back. I would rather that lengthly cost of the British tax payers money go towards something more needed like our NHS ? not to pay for this Axel to have full board bed & breakfast and 3 meals a day and clean fresh water and a bed and tv and a games room. That is not fit for purpose & does not sound like punishment for the crime he has comitted.
Autism? I really can't believe what some of these people are saying trying to give excuses for his disgusting slaughter off innocent children who had no say in his despicable cowardly actions Bring it back
People all remember MEN Arena and that should have been the end of it then but oh no it keeps on happening , Lessons should be learnt ,we keep hearing that one and then it happens again .
Omg that woman making excuses,what if it was your child...Stop with the excuses and stop thinking about The Demon🤮🤬Think of the innocent little children who list their lives and their families
As a man who has a relative who served over 30 years for a murder he may not have committed as there was other people with him I'm not necessarily a big fan of the death sentence however if it's beyond reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty like in this horrific case then I do agree bring it back but they need to be certain that the accused is definitely guilty
Cost of keeping Rudakubana in prison for 51 years: £2,700,000 Cost of 25 feet of 1 inch jute rope: £27 The figures speak for themselves. EDIT: Timothy Evans was not executed for the murder of his wife, only for the murder of his daughter; a crime most serious authors who have looked into the case agree he likely committed; the main individual arguing for Evans' complete innocence was Ludovic Kennedy, a dangerous fantasist who spent the last 40 years of his life trying to 'prove' James Hanratty's innocence, only to inadvertently prove his guilt when DNA evidence closed the book on the case for good.
@sheilaking1300 no we don't all have some form of autism.. you CLEARLY don't know what the word means.. please don't comment on subjects you are ignorant about and spread misinformation
Poeple who knew what he was up to should all be prosicuted and loose your jobs and pay out compensation to all the poor familys . Also this is for all these horrible crimes in our country and keep on happening . We need the help of the Army now , We can not keep going on like this . There was a stabbing where i live in Dukinfield only last week and where my Daugher walks home from work , the stabbing was about 30 mins later so it could have been her , Also in Dukinfield where i live has been 2 murders of only i know about , in the last few years , We are only a small town . Also a lot of robberies on my estate . Pedophiles hangging around primary schools and high schools in Dukinfield and everywhere else . Also another stabbing this week as a 20 year old Man Stabbed another Man in a primery school playgrund , A Dad stabbing another Dad . Also 14 year old Boy stabbing to death a 12 year old Boy near my Grandsons age , also a Women in Plymoth Being stabbed to death and also domestic violence and domesic violence death Murder . Also we have Lucy Letby who has been found guity twice but still there are people still trying to get her off with it .Also Keir Starmer letting some crininals walk free out of jail , to commit more crime , Also the violent Thugs of Manchester Airport who was getting away with it and lying , Also the Grooming gang scandel and the lies and cover ups ,Also Katie Ruogh , Stabbed to death by a teenage girl , Also all other crimes and Murderers Ian Huntly , Also poor little girl Sarah Pane , poor little boy James Bulger Murderd by kids , and poor little girl Sara Sharif Murderd and torcherd by her Father and Uncle And Step Mother , and the Authorities all knew , Not forgettind the rape and murder of poor Sarah Everard and what happend to Nicla Bulley it is just so awfull , All missing Chidren out there who have never been found , The evil moores murders , evil Dr Shipman , Dr near where i live .
Stop blaming other things! IT knew what it was doing and probably done it before he was 18 because he knew he wouldnt be tried as an adult!CAPITAL PUNISHMENT NEEDED.😡😡
I don’t agree with the death penalty at all in any circumstances. Personally I think it just lowered yourself to someone else’s level. I also think it became a revenge rather than punishment, you don’t give someone the opportunity to rehabilitate and change. As he says you could also give the death penalty to the wrong person.
Plus, it could be a slippery slope towards using the dp for other crimes. The Nazis used the guillotine just for spreading propaganda against the regime.
How convenient that this monster plead guilty. The correct sentence would have been life WITHOUT any possibility of parole, EVER. But as for the mob's preferred reaction, even if it WERE legal, the monster in this case would still be too young to be eligible for it, unless of course the mob also believes in snapping the necks of kids, which rather undermines the sense of special outrage expressed at the age of the victims...(And no, I certainly do NOT think that the voting age should be reduced either.) It is not possible to legislate for cases where someone is 'obviously' guilty with no mitigating circumstances. Even DNA evidence could be planted, especially today. Plus, if someone was actually going to be executed for confessing, their only reason for doing so would be that they were more afraid of life without parole, unless they were forced in some other way to 'admit' responsibility. In neither case would confession be constituting proof of actual guilt, a 'confession' being as subject to critical examination as any other piece of evidence. Even if you tried to devise some watertight legal definition of 'absolute' proof, what mere mortal could be trusted to apply it accurately, dispassionately and fairly, without fear or favour? Moreover, some people whose guilt had seemed beyond dispute have ultimately been exonerated. Even an extremely long prison sentence actually IS CHEAPER than the very extended appeals process that would ALWAYS be required to minimise irreversible injustices. The only way in which the mob's favoured reaction could ever somehow result in net savings would be if numerous defendants, who would otherwise have plead 'not guilty', were to plead guilty in plea bargains. If the mob suppose that their preferred reaction would be harsher, then by their 'logic', it could be used to blackmail defendants into signing away their freedom permanently. Has it never occurred to the mob that people who would otherwise have plead not guilty genuinely COULD be INNOCENT?????????? I remember an advocate of the mob's preferred response AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMING that I must NECESSARILY be against it, before I had expressed any such view at all, simply because I had observed how Kenny Richey was innocent. This vividly illustrated how self-confessedly incapable the typical neck-snapping advocate is of fairly judging a defendant's guilt in the first place. This severely prejudices the prospects of fair trials in systems where the mob's favoured reaction is an option, which exclude from juries civilised opponents of the mob response. Better educated people being ever increasingly opposed to the mob's desired reaction, and with those educated people who do still support it tending for the most part to be thoroughly malign characters with nothing but contempt for the less fortunate, what sort of numbskulls and monsters would be forming the jury to weigh a person's very life itself in the balance????? Of those educated right wing types who do persist in supporting the mob's reaction (whether genuinely or simply because they like playing to the gallery) many also oppose health and safety regulations which have saved the lives of vast numbers of ordinary people doing otherwise extremely dangerous jobs which those same conservatives would never contemplate doing themselves. They and their right wing media stooges would basically increase back to square one, the annual incidence of fatal industrial accidents and disease, in pursuit of their own profits. Back to the 'good old' pre-health-and-safety days, when their predecessors routinely subjected the working classes to extremely dangerous working conditions (without ever being convicted of murder let alone having their necks snapped for it.) I wonder how many of them would like to reintroduce the use of asbestos with a consequent increase in lung cancer fatalities? Most of all, how many of them continue to deny the reality of human aggravated climatic change, again in the pursuit of their own profits and on account of their own high energy consumption lifestyles? How many of them scuppered wind farms a decade or so ago, when some real difference would have been possible, because fossil fuels were more lucrative? How many of them continue to promote the lie that wind turbines are completely useless when the wind isn't blowing, as if batteries haven't been specially invented for the storage of surplus wind-generated electricity? How many of them are guilty of frustrating renewables generally and of resisting nuclear power too, and of enthusiastically advocating the long term use of humanity-endangering fossil fuels as their positively PREFERRED energy source? (Instead of simply as a back up reserve to be exploited in the last resort, and to be phased out as alternative clean energy sources came on stream?) How many people, children included, have died ALREADY, and how many zillions more will do so in future, with right wing deniers of human aggravated climate change bearing a disproportionate share of the ultimate blame? If they claim it's all too late by now in any case, where are the judicial proceedings in respect of this terrible crime against humanity, that's ALREADY been set in motion by right wing climate change deniers, by this stage quite possibly irreversibly? And then they want to focus on this appalling headline, actually having the nerve to demand that an under-age neck be snapped for that????? They should be careful, very careful indeed... The sheer irony of it all is that there actually is another 'subject' on which I sympathise VERY STRONGLY with right wing politicians, but their own continued, borderline contradictory obsession with neck snapping, costs them my support. They simply cannot posture as defenders of modern western civilisation on the one hand, whilst themselves seeking to reverse it on the other.
Were there signs that he was Autistic as a child actor ?…….. As there is more technology and we know he is 100% guilty yes I feel he should have the Death Penalty. He probably will be attacked in Jail. No one wants their hard earned Taxes paid for him to languish in jail.
Death penalty is immoral. We must learn to forgive. Matthew 6:14 - “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.”
An eye for an eye was also said. A barbaric society requires barbaric punishment. Death penalty is a deterrent, when it was abolished back on the 60's the serious crime rate rocketed??.
We live in a civilised country, the guy on the panel says. That's just it though, our country is not CIVILISED these days. Stop saying this ridiculous statement.
Yes ,they should bring back the DP the whole country has criminals like him. Rape gangs might think twice. Autism is no way responsible for what he did. He was fascinated by murder. His parents were scared of him. He won’t get parole ever. Phil is a softie and can’t see that everything in the garden is not always Rosie. The uk needs to be tough they would have less inmates in prison if the DP the last call.
This “autism” plea is offensive and erroneous- as someone with autism, I would NEVER think to do what he’s done.
I agree bringing it into the equation is a terrible excuse.
As another autistic person, I also agree. Honestly, that's just a terrible and disgusting excuse in my view.
Do gooders interfearing again
@@shyhistorian acknowledging vulnerability is NOT an excuse!
I to have autism and totally agree never have thoughts to do that ever it is offensive 😢😢
Autism is not a mental health issue and is 100% not an excuse. Him having autism has nothing to do with his crime
I agree what a terrible justification.
My nephew with autism is the kindest and best of kids. Autism isn't the excuse. How his autism was accepted and treated by those who cared for him is probably the issue.
Exactly it’s a Neurological problem in the brain and thought patterns it’s how you are wired up while growing in mothers womb . It’s how you perseeve the world and things around you act and see things differently to others it is not schizophrenia bipolar psychosis they are serious mental health issues
Autism did not cause this and it is so offensive to claim that it did
@@amberwild-ms4co I don't think any one is claiming that
Yes they are.@@marriannehavisham8323
He will get a "life" time fearing inmates.
I think other prisoners will carry out a death sentence.
Then give them a pardon
There's no point discussing it, they will never bring it back. You can't even find a guest who believes in it. Life in prison should not be such an attractive option, they don't have to support themselves, work, pay enormous bills, they are given ipads and all sorts of lovely stuff. For people like him, prison should be hell on earth.
The homeless are worse off than him.
Yes ,they should bring back the DP the whole country has criminals like him. Rape gangs might think twice.
Autism is no way responsible for what he did. He was fascinated by murder. His parents were scared of him. He won’t get parole ever. Phil is a softie and can’t see that everything in the garden is not always Rosie. The uk needs to be tough they would have less inmates in prison if the DP the last call.
Axel was NOT Muslim. He also had materials and literature on the Nazis, IRA, slavery, Rwandan genocide, etc. He was obsessed with extreme violence.
Last year at the time, the false rumour being spread online which led to riots where, that he was an illegal Muslim asylum seeker from Iraq who came on a boat. That’s why mosques were targeted.
he's a Muslim, he's been visiting the prison mosque in Belmarsh. he also told former class mates there needs to be a white jen-oh-side
Source Daily Fail
@@bobsapp3133 He didnt. You were just told what happened ffs!! Now go and read it again and let it sink in. More gammon talk as usual.
@@bobsapp3133I thought his father was a ,war lord in Rwanda, allegedly. Allegedly brought over here by Blair.....allegedly
Look, any dumbo knows the truth is what he wants it to be. So if this muslim arrived on a small boat from Wuhan with a paedophile ring to do the rowing, that's what happened.
Even if we did bring back the death penalty it wouldn't be for people who were 17 at the time of the crime.
So you are happy for a killer to walk free?
I'm pretty sure he isn't happy for the killer to walk free😂 he is just stating it wouldn't matter anyway! He was 17
Only in 1933 was the minimum age limit for which a person could be executed raised from 16 to 18, meaning it is perfectly possible.
It's against international law@@tenacious3911
Autism is not a mental health issue although there are comorbities (mental health issues frequently accompany alongside autism) but autism itself is not a mental illness. Also many autistic individuals DO function in society providing they have received the support that they need
Autism is not an excuse.
thank god he did not have a gun
But if we had may be we could have stopped it ?
Knife crime is worse
She brought up people with autism-that’s insulting to people with autism. Autists would not stoop to such depths.
Stating a fact is not an insult. His vulnerability IS relevant
There are neurodivergent murderers and neurotypical murderers. Being neurodivergent does not automatically make you a good person
(I myself am diagnosed with autism)
Neurodivergent folk are fully human, there a criminals in every section of society, the neurodivergent community is not immune to criminality
A form of ableism is patronising neurodivergent folk, thinking they are sweet and cute and harmless and not fully human -it is a part of ignorant dehumanisation although it's well meaning
That man saying he will be watching the debate, them girls won't watch telly again
Never give them the power over life and death, they'll use it against us eventually
Exactly!
There is going to be no death penalty, just accept that. But this creep is behind bars now and society is safe from him. I am sure the other prisoners will be getting aquainted with him soon enough.
Give the people the vote.
They won't because they know 65/75% of the country are for it.
It has mine.
Change the law then
Exactly
simple dont murder or mess with kids or rape and you would not hang
They should have held the monster until "IT" was 18.
Its such an insult to the families for him to be in prison, he has brought so much pain to them and now they, like the rest of us will be paying to keep him alive in prison such an insult.
Rose and fred west, moors murders in fact any murder etc
Autism....NOT A FACTOR!
Talk to the parents of those children. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. No remorse, no guilt and ready to kill even more.
Totally agree - Bring back capital punishment, we will pay millions in keeping him protected in Prison. Use the money in the children's memory and NOT ON HIM!
Death Penalty 100%
It might work for a few murders but most murders can be very technical and i dont trust juries to make the correct decisions,in ither words it will cist the taxpayer a lot more because 8nvestigations will have to be triple or more thoughro, otherwise we could end up with a lot if dead innocent people
How much will it cost us tax payers to keep him in prison
Money that could be spent on something decent
Millions
Will cost more a death penalty case
@traceygriffiths8594 No
Not more that 2.5 million
@@bwilliamson3887 £50,000 per year and factor in inflation.
How many kids have got to lose their lives
It's all fine mps saying "we want the death penalty" but all that will happen is it will get debated and then nothing will happen?
What is the point of keeping him alive 🤷♀️
Think about the money to the tax payer keeping him in jail and solitary
That vile woman said at 12.58 minutes...he did what he had to do...ffs how disgusting 😢
I know , I think she worded it wrong
Focusing on medieval punishment and getting red in the face with anger has always been this countries downfall.
It is only through a well educated and healthy society with functioning safeguards that you can stop people like this from doing what he did.
So many opportunities to stop him, and the reality is, your child could be next. How many other people do you think are out there that have been reported numerous times to the authorities and ignored.
If you could see all of those people, you would demand that they be dealt with before doing something unspeakably evil.
People shouldn't blame the judges when they are only implementing the decisions of our politicians. The death penalty is impossible, even if the British people voted for it in a referendum, while we are still a signatory to the European convention on human rights, and the Human rights act is still on the statute book.
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If a dog is born in a stable it doesn’t make it a horse
If you are born and bred in Britain you are British. In fact just rared there from childhood is enough. Bad random things happen, welcome to the real world.
Stable isn't a nationality
The authorities have a lot of explaining to you
Keeping him alive , what is the point . Screws will have tp protect him even if they dont want to .Also he could radicallsed other young boys . yes even behind bars
@555555345 he's going to an adult prison so no he can't radicalise young boys, also he is not a terrorist with and doesn't have an ideology courts determined so radicalise them into what?/with what?
If I was the cabbie i would have chased after "IT".
I agree.Why did the cabbie just let him out the cab without paying.If he had chased after him and called the police.this MAY have prevented the atrocity at this point
Anne, with all due respect, that's a silly statement. The taxi driver was preserving his own welfare by not pursuing him. How on earth would you expect him to foresee what was going to happen? Nobody could.
I am sure the cabbie has experienced enough people running off without paying, knowing that the police can do very little about it. 😢
He prob thought I can’t touch him he’s a kid , I’ll get done 😮
They should make him walk the plank 🚢
Walk the plank, with sharks in the water.
@ exactly
Skewed debate without factual content.
The point is that its like saying Schizophrenia doesnt cause murder. And thats true, for most people it doesn't. But in isolated cases it can. The same with autism.Part of autism is that people can have intense obsessions and passionate fixations. But that aside, most autistic people know the difference between right and wrong, and make the exact same choice everyone else does
No comparison with schizophrenia people with schizophrenia are more likely to commit violent acts whereas autistic people less likely to be violent than the general population. It’s not a contributing factor whatsoever and an insult to people with autism
Yes
Who is this fella in the blue suit ?? Woke panel again, when there is no question of guilt death penalty, he was caught bloodied knife in hand why theses callers bringing oh what if they were innocent ! We are talking about 100 per cent guilt here.
It's a case of getting your foot in the door. Once the death penalty is re-introduced, it'll spread to other offences ... has done elsewhere.
This case might be 💯. But what about other cases. If you open that door it implies to all. In USA they say for every 10 executed at least one is innocent.
@@traceygriffiths8594 ... and the USA has 6 times more murders than the UK ! It's not a deterrent, it makes it worse. Also, spending the rest of your life in solitary is far worse than being hung.
"Woke" What a tit!
In cases like this YES The Death Penatly should be brought back. I would rather that lengthly cost of the British tax payers money go towards something more needed like our NHS ? not to pay for this Axel to have full board bed & breakfast and 3 meals a day and clean fresh water and a bed and tv and a games room. That is not fit for purpose & does not sound like punishment for the crime he has comitted.
how about the taxi driver, he let him leave without paying DID he phone the police, if not he's compliant
No
Autism? I really can't believe what some of these people are saying trying to give excuses for his disgusting slaughter off innocent children who had no say in his despicable cowardly actions Bring it back
People all remember MEN Arena and that should have been the end of it then but oh no it keeps on happening , Lessons should be learnt ,we keep hearing that one and then it happens again .
He didn't pay the taxi fare
Referendum on the death penalty now!!
The death penalty in America hasn't stopped crime
he is not a uk citizen
He fkin isssssssssssssss
There is no longer a deterrent in this country.
Death penalty is no deterrent in USA
15:03 15:06 -he’s absolutely right
I think in this case only a mediaeval era punishment would suffice
Omg that woman making excuses,what if it was your child...Stop with the excuses and stop thinking about The Demon🤮🤬Think of the innocent little children who list their lives and their families
Jeremy vine never cut people off like this on newsnight ?
As a man who has a relative who served over 30 years for a murder he may not have committed as there was other people with him I'm not necessarily a big fan of the death sentence however if it's beyond reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty like in this horrific case then I do agree bring it back but they need to be certain that the accused is definitely guilty
Yes exactly. i always say same 'Without a doubt' cases only.
Bring the DP back for Lucy Letby as well or will it only count for black people?
Get your tuna lids out lads justice for little girls and families justice for them 😡
Stop the boats.
That was nothing to do with this case, he was born in the UK not arrived on a boat.
Get your facts straight already jesus.
Stop being racist. He's UK national
Parents came over @@dirtytechie
@@vikingfrog7204 Stop being The Help. It is cringe! Crybaby!
@@jacksoncrate Yea and what's the point your trying to draw there? Clearly a brain washed individual
I 100% agree with Kath from West Yorkshire.
100 years 😊
There's a moral panic a week these days. It's exhausting. Maybe I am just too woke
Cost of keeping Rudakubana in prison for 51 years: £2,700,000
Cost of 25 feet of 1 inch jute rope: £27
The figures speak for themselves.
EDIT: Timothy Evans was not executed for the murder of his wife, only for the murder of his daughter; a crime most serious authors who have looked into the case agree he likely committed; the main individual arguing for Evans' complete innocence was Ludovic Kennedy, a dangerous fantasist who spent the last 40 years of his life trying to 'prove' James Hanratty's innocence, only to inadvertently prove his guilt when DNA evidence closed the book on the case for good.
We all have some form of autism. We know he 100% did this, there’s no doubt he did this. We know he’s guilty.
@sheilaking1300 no we don't all have some form of autism.. you CLEARLY don't know what the word means.. please don't comment on subjects you are ignorant about and spread misinformation
bring it back
He's not to going to make the first six months .
Well that'll save us a prison cell. We can put the far right in there..😊
Awful debate
Poeple who knew what he was up to should all be prosicuted and loose your jobs and pay out compensation to all the poor familys . Also this is for all these horrible crimes in our country and keep on happening . We need the help of the Army now , We can not keep going on like this . There was a stabbing where i live in Dukinfield only last week and where my Daugher walks home from work , the stabbing was about 30 mins later so it could have been her , Also in Dukinfield where i live has been 2 murders of only i know about , in the last few years , We are only a small town . Also a lot of robberies on my estate . Pedophiles hangging around primary schools and high schools in Dukinfield and everywhere else . Also another stabbing this week as a 20 year old Man Stabbed another Man in a primery school playgrund , A Dad stabbing another Dad . Also 14 year old Boy stabbing to death a 12 year old Boy near my Grandsons age , also a Women in Plymoth Being stabbed to death and also domestic violence and domesic violence death Murder . Also we have Lucy Letby who has been found guity twice but still there are people still trying to get her off with it .Also Keir Starmer letting some crininals walk free out of jail , to commit more crime , Also the violent Thugs of Manchester Airport who was getting away with it and lying , Also the Grooming gang scandel and the lies and cover ups ,Also Katie Ruogh , Stabbed to death by a teenage girl , Also all other crimes and Murderers Ian Huntly , Also poor little girl Sarah Pane , poor little boy James Bulger Murderd by kids , and poor little girl Sara Sharif Murderd and torcherd by her Father and Uncle And Step Mother , and the Authorities all knew , Not forgettind the rape and murder of poor Sarah Everard and what happend to Nicla Bulley it is just so awfull , All missing Chidren out there who have never been found , The evil moores murders , evil Dr Shipman , Dr near where i live .
I forgot to mention the poor case of baby p. Also the children who lost their lives to fire 🔥. This has to stop 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡
And one more thing if a rat is born in a stable, that doesn’t make him a horse.
No but it makes him an inhabitant of the same stable.
Jail ain't enough sorry
Stop blaming other things! IT knew what it was doing and probably done it before he was 18 because he knew he wouldnt be tried as an adult!CAPITAL PUNISHMENT NEEDED.😡😡
Yess
I don’t agree with the death penalty at all in any circumstances. Personally I think it just lowered yourself to someone else’s level. I also think it became a revenge rather than punishment, you don’t give someone the opportunity to rehabilitate and change.
As he says you could also give the death penalty to the wrong person.
Plus, it could be a slippery slope towards using the dp for other crimes. The Nazis used the guillotine just for spreading propaganda against the regime.
Exactly, in the States 1 in 8 people sentenced to death are found innocent.
How convenient that this monster plead guilty.
The correct sentence would have been life WITHOUT any possibility of parole, EVER.
But as for the mob's preferred reaction, even if it WERE legal, the monster in this case would still be too young to be eligible for it, unless of course the mob also believes in snapping the necks of kids, which rather undermines the sense of special outrage expressed at the age of the victims...(And no, I certainly do NOT think that the voting age should be reduced either.)
It is not possible to legislate for cases where someone is 'obviously' guilty with no mitigating circumstances. Even DNA evidence could be planted, especially today. Plus, if someone was actually going to be executed for confessing, their only reason for doing so would be that they were more afraid of life without parole, unless they were forced in some other way to 'admit' responsibility. In neither case would confession be constituting proof of actual guilt, a 'confession' being as subject to critical examination as any other piece of evidence. Even if you tried to devise some watertight legal definition of 'absolute' proof, what mere mortal could be trusted to apply it accurately, dispassionately and fairly, without fear or favour? Moreover, some people whose guilt had seemed beyond dispute have ultimately been exonerated.
Even an extremely long prison sentence actually IS CHEAPER than the very extended appeals process that would ALWAYS be required to minimise irreversible injustices. The only way in which the mob's favoured reaction could ever somehow result in net savings would be if numerous defendants, who would otherwise have plead 'not guilty', were to plead guilty in plea bargains. If the mob suppose that their preferred reaction would be harsher, then by their 'logic', it could be used to blackmail defendants into signing away their freedom permanently. Has it never occurred to the mob that people who would otherwise have plead not guilty genuinely COULD be INNOCENT??????????
I remember an advocate of the mob's preferred response AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMING that I must NECESSARILY be against it, before I had expressed any such view at all, simply because I had observed how Kenny Richey was innocent. This vividly illustrated how self-confessedly incapable the typical neck-snapping advocate is of fairly judging a defendant's guilt in the first place. This severely prejudices the prospects of fair trials in systems where the mob's favoured reaction is an option, which exclude from juries civilised opponents of the mob response. Better educated people being ever increasingly opposed to the mob's desired reaction, and with those educated people who do still support it tending for the most part to be thoroughly malign characters with nothing but contempt for the less fortunate, what sort of numbskulls and monsters would be forming the jury to weigh a person's very life itself in the balance?????
Of those educated right wing types who do persist in supporting the mob's reaction (whether genuinely or simply because they like playing to the gallery) many also oppose health and safety regulations which have saved the lives of vast numbers of ordinary people doing otherwise extremely dangerous jobs which those same conservatives would never contemplate doing themselves. They and their right wing media stooges would basically increase back to square one, the annual incidence of fatal industrial accidents and disease, in pursuit of their own profits. Back to the 'good old' pre-health-and-safety days, when their predecessors routinely subjected the working classes to extremely dangerous working conditions (without ever being convicted of murder let alone having their necks snapped for it.) I wonder how many of them would like to reintroduce the use of asbestos with a consequent increase in lung cancer fatalities?
Most of all, how many of them continue to deny the reality of human aggravated climatic change, again in the pursuit of their own profits and on account of their own high energy consumption lifestyles? How many of them scuppered wind farms a decade or so ago, when some real difference would have been possible, because fossil fuels were more lucrative? How many of them continue to promote the lie that wind turbines are completely useless when the wind isn't blowing, as if batteries haven't been specially invented for the storage of surplus wind-generated electricity? How many of them are guilty of frustrating renewables generally and of resisting nuclear power too, and of enthusiastically advocating the long term use of humanity-endangering fossil fuels as their positively PREFERRED energy source? (Instead of simply as a back up reserve to be exploited in the last resort, and to be phased out as alternative clean energy sources came on stream?) How many people, children included, have died ALREADY, and how many zillions more will do so in future, with right wing deniers of human aggravated climate change bearing a disproportionate share of the ultimate blame? If they claim it's all too late by now in any case, where are the judicial proceedings in respect of this terrible crime against humanity, that's ALREADY been set in motion by right wing climate change deniers, by this stage quite possibly irreversibly?
And then they want to focus on this appalling headline, actually having the nerve to demand that an under-age neck be snapped for that????? They should be careful, very careful indeed...
The sheer irony of it all is that there actually is another 'subject' on which I sympathise VERY STRONGLY with right wing politicians, but their own continued, borderline contradictory obsession with neck snapping, costs them my support. They simply cannot posture as defenders of modern western civilisation on the one hand, whilst themselves seeking to reverse it on the other.
16:34 spot on!
Those three on the panel are the ones who would welcome these characters into our country.
@@susanbrowne5544 he was born in Wales. His parents were LEGAL asulym seekers of the Rwandan genocide
Were there signs that he was Autistic as a child actor ?…….. As there is more technology and we know he is 100% guilty yes I feel he should have the Death Penalty. He probably will be attacked in Jail. No one wants their hard earned Taxes paid for him to languish in jail.
@carolynesimpson6070 yes, he was diagnosed as a child. People are born autistic, it's not a condition that develops later..
@carolynesimpson6070 you want a disabled child (at the time he committed the crime) put to death? Disturbing
I agree .If there is no shadow of a doubt,then Yes
I would bring back capital punishment.
Ha Welsh my arse. That is very very insulting to the Welsh.
The government told us he was a Welsh Choirboy.
@Chris-do6cm no it isn't (from a Welsh person)
The welsh would be happy enough to claim him as their own if he was a footballer or an actor instead of a psychotic murderer!🤔
Why do people watch this shite
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Death penalty is immoral. We must learn to forgive.
Matthew 6:14 - “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.”
Forgive him? Are you insane? No forgiveness for murder.
Try telling that to the families screw religion 😡
An eye for an eye was also said. A barbaric society requires barbaric punishment. Death penalty is a deterrent, when it was abolished back on the 60's the serious crime rate rocketed??.
Hope you’ll never know what it’s feels like your dearest one be murdered...
Are you joking ???? Get real he’s a sadistic child murderer !
She said he did what he had to do wtf is she on about
RIP to the 3 little girls!
We live in a civilised country, the guy on the panel says. That's just it though, our country is not CIVILISED these days. Stop saying this ridiculous statement.
Boring show💤💤💤💤
Yes ,they should bring back the DP the whole country has criminals like him. Rape gangs might think twice.
Autism is no way responsible for what he did. He was fascinated by murder. His parents were scared of him. He won’t get parole ever. Phil is a softie and can’t see that everything in the garden is not always Rosie. The uk needs to be tough they would have less inmates in prison if the DP the last call.