Why New York Dumps Old Trucks (And More) Into the Ocean - Cheddar Explores
Вставка
- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- In 2008, photographer Stephen Mallon documented the dumping of 44 decommissioned subway cars into the Atlantic Ocean. Today, 2,400 cars line the ocean floor in six states from New Jersey all the way down to Georgia. But the list of materials being dumped doesn’t stop there: it includes fishing boats and parts of a New York bridge. In an effort to figure out why these materials are being dumped into the harbor, we talked with a marine biologist from New York’s Department of Environmental Conservation.
www.dec.ny.gov...
Subscribe to Cheddar on UA-cam: chdr.tv/subscribe
Connect with Cheddar!
On Facebook: chdr.tv/facebook
On Twitter: chdr.tv/twitter
On Instagram: chdr.tv/instagram
On Cheddar.com: chdr.tv/cheddar
I suggest 1.25 speed for this one
Jonathan literally what I was doing as I read your comment. You can actually do this one at 1.5x
1.5
Peasant. 2x doesn’t do it justice
You can use a chrome extension to go faster than 2x
Thanks
I get building reef over sandy bottom of the ocean, but why not recycle these , especially the steel. I thought that was an important question she never asked.
Recycling is a whole nother "we don't really understand whats going on" episode.
That being said, this part of the three R's. Recycling, reduce, REUSE.
Steel is abundant being one of the cheapest materials in the world to both mine and manufacture into useful products. Fisheries in the USA for decades like anywhere else in the world were over fished and are now beginning to thrive even with a growing people population that target popular game fish. These species depend on these man made structures as there is no where in that area to naturally house them. Not to mention the extra money the local area gets when a diver comes in to see a military tank 3 miles off the coast or a train engine or the recreational fishermen that flock to the area for the diversity.
I mean you could recycle a wore out boat and smelt it into new products but you could sink that already aged vessel and future generations will be able to see it and not to mention all the life it will now be home to... Oh and this video doesn't mention it but as far as I know these things are actually stripped of anything that maybe harmful to the environment, things like plastics and paints are processed well before they ever go into the ocean and I believe they also strip out more valuable things like copper and things that have value.
@@AtomicReverend yes exactly, not to mention steel and most metals actually can not be recycled infinitely, they tend to loose their structural properties after being recycled enough times
@@AtomicReverend The concrete blocks make super much sense: destroy a beach, build up a reef. Excellent!
“As you leave the train, please step over the gap between the train and the platform”
What a lengthy way just to say “Mind the gap”
Yeah, and why does it say “please”? It’s not like someone will be like “oh it didn’t say please now I won’t step over the gap”. No, no one is like that
Murica
It should be “Please mind the gap between the train and the platform.”
Americans need things spelt out for them.
Growing up with the LIRR, When I first heard "mind the gap" it was a novelty lol
Misleading. Obviously, they are there for the crabs to eat.
Duh
Also known as Fake News my friend
@james carter yes they do. Why do you think they have strong claws? It's also why they farm a lot of them now, cause metal/plastic pollution is destroying wild habitats. Heavy metal poisoning is very common.
james carter r/wooosh
james carter stay away from the internet if you don’t know that means. It means you can’t distinguish between reality and satire.
Poor production quality in my opinion. Audio volume is all over the place. Info was scarce and repetitive
@@dr_mashedpotato2614 hate to say but I agree. This video just isn't at the same caliber.
You try making a video from home while collaborating with all of your co-workers while trying to self-quarantine. I don't blame 'em!
@@icecubez130 I'd be willing to bet this was shot before the covid crisis. I never said I could do better. I'm simply saying, compared to their other videos, this video was poor quality. As a channel its hurts them overall. I watch all of cheddar videos and this is the first one that I didn't like. Something of this quality shouldn't have been released.
I completely agree this is not up to par with cheddar quality
icecubez130 the video would have been made awhile back. No way she could have interviewed people while the stay at home order is in place. Big multimedia companies tend to have some amount of backlog of videos. They might make them a week in advance or a couple of days. That way employees aren’t as stressed about making a video, editing it and publishing it quickly
New York dumping things into the ocean! (Actually shows a Russian T-55 as thumbnail like a boss)
Clickbait worked with me ;-;
Also..."Army Tanks", yes, because the airforce has MBTs, and evidently, the main battle tank of the U.S is the Russian T55
@@luisfelipevaldes5306 but of course daddy Stalin! The famous amerikan T-55!
*CHIKOVKA!! BLYEN!!!*
bbbbb
"I GO KILL SUBMARINE FOR MOTHERLAND!!!!"
Actually ask about the 'acid waters'. It one time the city dumped the 'sludge' from the sewerage treatment plants into the ocean about 100 miles offshore, thankfully that isn't legal anymore. Sludge is the breakdown product of shit as it decomposes, it smell worse. Properly used it is a good fertilizer, highly organic. The city of Milwaukee sells theirs as a fertilizer product called Milorganite, you can buy it at home depot.
Did she parody “look at all those chickens” or did I imagine that?! 😂
Oliver Dobson she even sounds like the child hhahahaa
where?
@@uhohhotdog 3:58
Ummm... Hate to break it to you but this video is unfinished. The sound design towards the end is missing voice overlays etc. You might want to look into it.
Also...the tank. I CAME HERE FOR THE FUCKING TANK AND THERE IS NO TANK AND IM ANGRY >:v
@@luisfelipevaldes5306 good one hello from Australia
"Hey! What are you doing dumping that garbage in the sea?"
"Oh, yeah...ummm...we're building an artificial reef."
Concrete I understand. It´s like artificial rocks, and I guess cumbersome to recycle. But metals? Recycling aluminum is far better for the environment than creating it new. Hence, dumping is polluting.
Yeah but dumping and mining new material is unfortunately cheaper
@@zolikoff not clean heavy material, hence why private companies pay for scrap and turn a profit, them subway cars where at least 10k a piece.
Grinding up concrete and using it as base fill makes for an extremely solid building material. Not sure why they're dumping it
@@jake3736 Perhaps it´s cheaper to make new?
I don´t know about concrete, but an automotive scolar told me making new car batteries is 5x cheaper than recycling the old.
Also, I´ve been to a Strapex strapping factory, where using new plastic granulates was cheaper than transporting trims and leftovers 50 yards back to the smelter.
So they just tossed it in with the refuge.
Production in general is so cheap, it often takes legislation or environmental awareness to reduce the wasting of perfectly good materials..
It's not like that is where all used steel and concrete goes. I'm sure that preparing the material for use in an artificial reef also costs money.
Also, most used materials are probably recycled in the ways you guys pointed out. It's probably a very tiny fraction of material that is used in artificial reefs.
And you gotta admit, it would be weird to produce new materials only to sink those. That would be more expensive than using things that already had a life of usefulness and just extending their use.
People: We shouldn't dump things into the ocean!
Also people: Dumps decommisioned cars into the ocean
I think it's amazing
did watch grand tour they tried to dump five cars only was one successfully possible
random dump and control dump are difference
they say dont dump random shit not dont dump specially prepared items to help the marine life so shut up
@@vincentwong1127
For real though. It's like he's saying that you're a hypocrite if you don't shit your pants, but poop in a toilet.
100's of years later: people believe that there was a great flood due to seeing all the train cars and other signs of people life under water
Very good.
Fact
I'm not loving this video. Doesn't feel like it's worthy of the Cheddar brand. The audio is a mess and even halfway through the video, the information already felt repetitive. I guess I just have higher expectations of this channel
I don't like the trope of filming the journey to get to the story, it's so obviously padding and lazy writing. The journey took an an hour and a half? I regularly commute that distance, it's not relevant or interesting. The video would have had the same content without the journey since all that was left in from the person interviewed was a few key words to link the animation.
I stopped having expectations of this channel a while ago. They're trying so so hard to be Vox, but it's like they put a quarter of the effort into their videos.
You shouldn’t have higher expectations, though. Most of their videos unfortunately are half-assed barely researched misinformation pits nowadays.
They didn't even outline the guy correctly, I think they scrapped this together. Can't go out in NYC right now
finding an excuse to print something
I think it would be really fun to turn one of those old subway cars into a tiny house
dev914 Some old subway cars have asbestos, which can be harmful.
Im Dumb can’t asbestos be removed?
dev914 usually not worth the cost of removal.
Metal railcars roast in the summertime. You want an old wooden one, but those belong in museums.
Fish love asbestos!
Nothing pisses me off more on UA-cam than clickbait. You show a thumbnail of a tank, then don't show any tanks being dumped. They only mention them once casually. Boooooo
Indeed. I came here for the tank.
Also... "Army tanks"? Yes... Because A) the air Force has tanks, so we need to clarify! And B) evidently, the main battle tank of the U.S is the Soviet T-55
title says trucks yet i didn't see any of those either
@@luisfelipevaldes5306 The T55 was probably captured in Desert Storm 1, studied, and then stripped of haz-mats before being dumped.
@@jimmefz3328 They weren't cute enough to show.
When costs are saved under disguise of care for environment.
When English sucks... (Sorry if English isn't your first language).
I agree. Dumping vehicles and an old bridge seems more to just dump trash and call if a "reef."
Nah, this is the same as old ships which build up reefs on them with time
@@davidurdahl6656 let's be honest. You wouldn't be hard pressed to find native English speakers with a poorer grasp of English than this guy.
Exactly. My first thoughtful thought.
3:48 O M G!!
A roundabout in the US. That's amazing. What a find.
There's quite a few of them in Arizona
@@garcjr Good to know tbh.
They are amazing.
@@garcjr Carmel, Indiana probably has more by itself than Arizona.
They're all over Long Island, especially on the south side by the beaches.
@@DoomFinger511 Australia is full of the dammed things
Interesting video, but i wished it was a bit more critical towards artificial reefs. THey might not be as good as this video suggest.
Umm because Ariel wants more forks, duhh!
Ever thought about melting all this metal?
Imagine throwing thousands of tons of aluminum and steel into the ocean...
Yes, and? What will happen if you throw steel and aluminium into the ocean? People keep forgetting those two come from nature and are most definitely not toxic.
@@topanteon They cost money and harm the environment when we produce them. I suggest recycling.
Btw everything comes from nature. But especially refining aluminum from minerals lead to environmental issues.
@@gustavgnoettgen Reusing is more efficient than recycling. This is reusing.
@@jennyjohn704 How can you compare using carts for reefs to making new aluminum? That's two different stories.
Isn't there other waste that can be used - concrete and others from buildings for example?
Those materials can be recycled too but the applications are limited.
Just call it “illegal dumping, but the governor approves”
Is that a joke?
@white Mitigating decades of over harvested oceans is probably one of the best uses for scrap materials. It's getting recycled any way you want to describe it, just in this case there's no remelting required.
@white Take a deep breath and turn off fox news for a day. Then go find a spiritual advisor to help yourself understand your misanthropy.
some politician gets a hefty paycheck from his friends..if they do they should be treating it as income
"we're making artificial reefs!" AKA, we got caught disposing our trash in the ocean so we're going to pretend we were just intentionally making artificial reefs as a cover up story so we dont get backlash.
No they planned the environmental story well in advance. It's very wasteful and an easy way for New York to dump and justify doing so.
Sorry to disappoint you, hoping to make yourselves feel better by knocking others down, but i left some further info in the comments, in case you want free education on the situation.
recycle everything,,,building artificial any thing is bullshit
@DAVE ADAM Thing is the same marine environments that are suffering massive population attrition due to overfishing by a certain species of hairless ape with their boats and nets etc are also nutrient-rich waters in or near the outlets of rivers with massive amounts of heavily irrigated nutrient buffed soil in them. Where you find many humans you also tend to find an abundance of farms as abundant humans need the abundant food to stay not dead after all. So the resources are there for far more fish to grow than before but the spawn rates are naturally capped by the availability of suitable shelter that can be used as spawning grounds or the available nutrient supply whichever runs out first the latter we generally boost entirely accidentally so if we can boost the former it can help bring marine ecosystems we have thrown out of balance with the aforementioned boats back into balance at least in theory.
There's a lot of missing audio in this video near the end.
look at this truck isn't it neat?
It just sounds like an excuse to dump trash in the ocean and they just slap the excuse of "oh we're helping the environment".
I mean, it kind of kills two birds with one stone so I don’t really see the problem
why would they dump them when they can sell them for scrap and get some money back
Scrap metal is worth a lot, it’s not what I would call ‘trash’
Actually it’s far cheaper to scrap the metals or dump them in a landfill than to process these objects for marine habitation. Additionally, fishermen (the city) rely on these areas for fishing and tourism, they would obliterate their economy twice over if that were the case.
No It's not
Cheddar : Why are they dumping subway cars
Me : Artifical reefs
Cheddar : We found out the DEC is creating artificial reefs
Me :.... :facepalm:
did you notice they showed freshwater fish(largemouth bass) swimming around the artificial reef in the sea?f
@@BUSHCRAPPING I wouldn't know.
Terrible audio and video quality on location, did you film it on a phone?
I'm very happy that New York is helping bring our national pasttime of throwing car batteries into the ocean to the global community. Just remember, if each person on this planet just threw a single car battery in the ocean, we could have almost 8 billion car batteries lining the subsurface coastlines of our world's landmasses by the end of 2023. Let's put aside our petty differences and band together as a species to make this amazing achievement possible.
If they dump recyclable material, they can keep blowing up mountains to get more. Mining companies have to make that money.
USA really like to destroy earth
There's a good amount of missing audio. It looks like @ 5:49, 6:25, 6:42 & 7:13
This also helps absorb storm energy. Important in consideration of SLR. I believe you could call this a type of 'living shoreline'
It looks like you just learned how to use a video editor and you want to use every type of animation available
"As you leave the train, please remember to continue breathing."
I'm sure some hipster pubs or airsoft fields would pay good money for a decommissioned train cart.
Please look at audio meters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will show you that your audio is only be playing out of one channel. For instance the interview at 7:20.
LARGEMOUTH BASS DONT LIVE IN THE OCEAN
The audio volume should be equalized between the narrator and DEP guy
Metal reefs sound like a good way to shroud the coast against any intruding subs.
If a sub were using magnetic fields, rather than radar, to monitor enemy ship proximities, I imagine it could be hard to tell the difference between a passing patrol and a new stack of sunken tanks.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but wouldn't the whole carbon sequestration thing be better suited to creating reefs than dropping freakin' scrap metal into the drink?
Carbon plastics can be acquired essential for free and I bet would it would cost less to transport, process, and handle than materials infinitely more dense comparing unit to unit. (By weight: ONE Tank=ALL the plastic bottles you'll ever use[that's close enough to infinity as defined in a human scale])
More critical thinking ahead:
Iron, aluminum, and hell even concrete have a market demand in pretty much every immediate vicinity that such scrap would have originated. Plus, processing anything that has burned fuel, like a tank, or has served as a reasonably comfortable container of people, like a train car, usually cost even more just to get that "Environmentally Friendly" label from the EPA. I mean if it's being plopped in the ocean and aren't removing the equipment containing heavy metals, hazardous materials, and doing minimal checks for possible pollutant risks then the reefs won't be ... Hell there isn't even a joke. They just won't be.
Here's a joke (attempt) anyway:
When is a reef, not a reef??
...
Lol
Yep
"So, now we're taking the Long Island Rail Road to Captree State Park."
Oh wait, Uber. LOL!
Artificial reefs is just an excuse they use instead of saying "we would have to pay people to recycle these materials even though it would provide hella jobs for the working class" in a lot of cases
Every action has some unintended consequences.
Explain the subject without telling us "your amazing journey to find the truth".
I question how well the stuff dumped is really cleaned of PCBs, lubricante, wire insulation, etc... Nothing like dumping toxic chemicals near your own shores.
To the best of my knowledge and research. When they dumped the Redbird subway cars , that had been remediated for hazardous chemicals etc. Point being these cars make excellent reef material as well as dive points that can be fully accessed.
I love how governor Como said today we are going out of the box. Especially since that 0ut of the box was started essentially 100 years earlier. Way to go Como ....
Nice work! Lisa seems new-ish to producing but it is a good idea and I learned new information about a subject I was already aware about - I appreciate that. Editing could be tightened up a bit, Lisa could work on delivery (this comes with practice, practice) and it would be nice to have some final analysis to leave everyone with. All in all a solid effort and I look forward to learning more!
Watch this become another tourist attraction for diving.
The dinging is totally unnecessary and annoying as hell!!! Please stop doing that!!
I love how it’s like they just dumping garbage into the ocean in the name of making reefs. LoL.
I wonder why doesn’t the state auction decommissioned subway cars, Of course they would have to clean it to be sold to people. But I’m sure they can make their money back considering how much someone might be willing to pay. It’d be interesting to see decommissioned subway cars be used for something else that can possible be interesting
And as an added bonus, some of those splooshes were pretty neat 😂😂
This is quite nice. Almost like a vlog and educational content in one.
I would watch a longer version tbh
Reminds me of my battery ocean disposal company where just like any regular old business we pick up your old car battery and chuck it straight in
Hey guys great work with this documentary. Just by looking at the number of “likes”, you can tell that the UA-cam community enjoyed it. A few notes- I think there needs to be some improvement in the overlay between narration and interview, this one felt a bit choppy at times. The graphics did their job, and overall this was very informative. In my opinion , the LIRR/ Uber cutaway was not really needed...but it’s your style & it documents the journey sooo 👍. Otherwise keep up the great work.
I think the largest ship that they've ever turned into one of these artificial reefs/diving mecca would be the USS Oriskany down in the Gulf near Pensacola Florida.
So maybe I could buy a bunch of old cars and trucks and swap them for one used to tank. It would make one hell of a yard decoration!
The Crab Empire grows stronger.
The concrete i can stand behind with building habitas and so on... But old trucks, boats, tanks... Sounds to me a bit shady... Would it not be better to recycle the materials?
That guy could dump me in the ocean!😍🤤
The only man who’d be able to get me to go to Long Island!
No businessman or politician does charity for charity's sake. Charity actions must always be profitable, even if it is only to brown nose to the public.
Dumping steel into the ocean drives up the price of scrap.
Artificial reefs made of steel will rip the trawler nets to shreds.
They are dropping them there because they need spareparts for Megatron
Didn't these people hear about metal recycling?
Subway cars are made with stainless steel. Quite expensive metals.
What's the point of using the iMac screen?
I really doubt that's the real reason. Maybe it's the official one but where else in NY would they put it?
I could tell you the answer to both your questions without you doing all this. Reefs are good and you can only use certain materials for them.
The scrap value has got to be worth more than the cost of hauling them out there.
Building artificial reefs in an highly polluted area is another way of saying, not only not having to pay waste disposal taxes, but also receiving State incentives to do so.
Thank you
In NY the DEC is the acronym for the Department of Environmental Conservation. Some states call their equivalent the Department of Natural Resources. Please leave a comment if your state has another name for their department.
On top of the numerous issues highlighted by the comments, the virtual fish that you had going across the screen were Micropterus salmoids, aka, Largemouth Bass, which is an effing FRESHWATER FISH!
SMH
The Crabs are equipping a force of Paramilitary Crab Soldiers, so need metals for weapons and concrete for buildings.
New York: We use boats, tanks, and train cars for artificial reefs. What do you guys use for your reefs?
Florida: Aircraft carriers.
New York: . . . You win.
Pretty impressive and a win win for both us and marine life ✌💓
7:04 - looks like lava
We've got a few artificial reefs around the UK, but mostly we just let our treacherous coastline do the job for us.
Nice follow up. Thanks :)
Great 8 minute video with a 30 second answer
It’s sad to see the ultra reliable R32s go into the ocean.
All NYC subway R33 and R36 Redbirds are dumped into the ocean and are now homes to fish and the pictures of Redbirds dumped into the ocean are heartbreaking to me
I have it from good sources they used to do dump tanks right in front of the beach in France in the 1940s
Seems like a good excuse to dump unwanted material as well.
I had no idea there were so many large mouth bass in the ocean!!
Seems like a waste of metal, surely there would be a better way to do it.
How would you do it? :)
@@jasmincalifornia1 Throw dead bodies tied to weights down there.
Dan Bana That goes against the idea of them being diving sites
@@Ethan5I5 dead bodies wouldn't make good shelters for bigger fish either. Our corpses just wouldn't make livable reefs
@@jasmincalifornia1 not if there is a mountain of dead bodies on top of each other, sure there would be some nice big holes to swim through
These companies should be responsible for all the pollution they are causing.
Think of all the horseshoe crabs that are crushed by those things. Oh the humanity! lol
Large mouth bass swimming in the water with lobsters and crabs? Come on cheddar hahah
This video makes me miss Ali Larkin soooooo much.
So many people in this comment section have never heard of artificial reefs in their life and act like marine biologists lmao
Artificial reefs, plus it helps keep waves down and the sand on beaches from being washed away.
Amazing project
This is basically how to dump materials without having to pay a dump to take your stuff.
I'm sure it creates artificial reefs but it also gets rid of a lot of crap you can't get rid of unless you pay.
Gotta play this video 2x
Cool discovery and story!
Specifically on the tanks.... this is so fitting. Our country builds tanks literally for no other reason than to build tanks. The typical tank is built and decommissioned without ever seeing use. They are literally decommissioned just to make room for more new tanks. Same for military aircraft. Pentagon asks for them, congress increases the orders, then they gut built, parked, and rust until decommission. A literal jobs program.
What? We don’t decommission m1 tanks. They just had fuss about upgrading them due to not needing more but not wanting the factory to close. If it closes and we need more tanks then we screwed. As for planes 2/3 of the navy planes are not usually due to needing repaired apparently. Air Force can’t even get more parts for a10.
@@sly2792004 Simple solution is to in house specialized needs. Be a hell of a lot cheaper. The primary purpose of the US military at this point is to provide contract work to parasitic companies. And by "at this point" I really mean since before Smeadly Butler started doing book tours.
@@carpdog42 you want to have milita run a factory? If you could or did you’d still be paying money to keep factory open. We need tanks and will need more in future. Stop paying factory’s md they shut down, fire employees sell off the machines. That’s what happen to a10. Now no one who can make one is around, the machines are gone. The government pays scrap yards high prices to get parts.
Russia nationalized factories we can’t do that. They aren’t parisite company. We can’t expect companies to pay people to keep factory open if they aren’t making money.
Some of the dialog is coming just from right channel. If you were using single mic for the interview - please make sure to copy the audio clip to both left avd right stereo channels. In premiere pro for example there's an effect called fill left with right, or some such. Otherwise is sounds amature, and just bad
As a Long Islander you cringe a lil bit when you hear someone call it the "lurr "😂
came to check the comments to see if this was mentioned, it really physically pains me
No one: yeah the vid looks fine
Me: focus on her eyebrows, yeah that's fine
Reefs also help you against storm surges.
Vinyls, plastics that decompose to micro plastics, oils, toxic chemicals: These CANNOT be good for our waters.
Hmmm 🤔 it's hard to believe those cars are going down without toxin leaching rubber,plastic,oils, lubricants, etc. The amount of processing you would need to really make dumping vehicles safe would probably make it inviable. Also te amount of raw materials lost that could be reused takes a lot away from the benefits. Seems they should be more selective with the materials dumped and this might have a positive net result.
So I cant dump my old fridge yet they can.....
Jesse Hornstein sounds so very (yawn) passionate about his work. I kept expecting him to look at his watch to see how much more time he had to talk about this subject that he is obviously (yawn) excited about.