How STRONG Was Stan Efferding Vs Ronnie Coleman
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2021
- How STRONG Was Stan Efferding Vs Ronnie Coleman
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If Ronnie dedicated himself to powerlifting, there's a good chance he'd be ahead. Stan obviously puts up bigger numbers, so Ronnie needs to be satisfied with being the bodybuilding GOAT.
Ronnie was also shorter and heavier
@@basicmeme1040 Yeah, but only by an inch.
@@fernandowong371 Stan was 6:2 ronnie was 5:10 and powerlifting stan was almost 30lbs lighter than ronnie at the Olympia. Off season ronnie could go up to 330
@@basicmeme1040 Stan was 6'0" and Ronnie was 5'11".
@@fernandowong371 Stan said he was 6:2
Either way the height and weight difference makes me give it to Stan easily even if ronnie was prepping
Franco Columbu's pound for pound the strongest, Stan Efferding is able to lift the most weight, and Ronnie's a BEAST for doing a lot of those lifts just a few weeks out from the Olympia.
Imagine what Franco would have done with the drug and nutritional advantages Ronnie and Stan had....
Larry Wheels.
@@Sgtassburgler not an IFBB pro
Stan efferding is overall stronger but it would have been interesting to see if Ronnie being all carbed up in the bulking season would have made up the difference and equel him out to Stan, non the less even if this was the case Stan would still be pound for pound stronger, the fact Stan lifts what he does at only 275lbs is insane in and of it self.
Stan, older and lighter, but trained more for strength at that time, takes the edge for being "stronger" overall; however, Ronnie was amazingly strong while in bodybuilding phase.
*while being the king in bb.
Fixed it for you. 😁
He wasn’t exactly small. He weighed in for his meets at 275 then carbed up to 280 290
Stan won imo. But ronnie is a beast for hitting all these numbers while in prep for the O
I don't think the video shows that
@Ncdcfan 500 for 10 reps ?😂😂 what are you on
People forget that Ronny was a competitive power lifter before bodybuilding.
He did 4 deadlift-only meets in Texas. Let‘s not overstate things.
@@ora6925 Let’s not assume I was giving Ronny the win because of that…..
@@TommyGordon82579 he wasn't assuming that, just saying he wasnt a powerlifter
More of an issue: Ronnie was doing his biggest lifts as a bodybuilder. Stan's biggest lifts were when he took a break from bodybuilding. On that basis, I give it to Ronnie. Who knows how strong he'd be if he'd done the same as Stan? Let's say Stan's the strongest man who's been a bodybuilder, but Ronnie's the strongest bodybuilder.
@@lazur1 this isn't a question of "who could have if they did something else", this is a question of "who actually was".
Not "who might have done" but "who actually did".
And fact of the matter is that Ronnie never DID focus on strength for an extended period of time. He was a professional bodybuilder, not a professional powerlifter or strongman.
Sure he maybe COULD have, but he DIDN'T.
Efferding easy. Lighter. More weight lifted and better/more rom on some exercises. Squat is still Stan. More weight and no suit like Ronnie was wearing. If Ronnie was training for powerlifting it could be different but we'll never know.
Ronnie's incline DB press was done after his legendary 200lbs dumbell press. it was the next working set, as well as being 5 weeks out from a show on calorie deficit.
Apples and oranges, but fun nonetheless :)
And so was his incline bench press which was done after 500 lbs flat bench.
@@itsnotfunny8257 I love both Stan and Ronnie but Ronnie was more impressive he done 800 for 2 deadlifts 5 weeks out from a show imagine if Ronnie trained for powerlifting full time
@@hispanics4trump946 Ronnie wasn't more impressive. Coleman's 800 deadlift was done with straps. Stan deadlifted 837 in a full meet without straps and after he had already squatted 865 and benched 600, all raw.
Efferding set the total record in the 275 class with 2,303. Coleman also weighed heavier because he was still wasn't at his weight for the Olympia.
@@DynomyteDewd91 But Big Ron was significantly weaker being weeks out on a calorie deficit. He also wasn't specifically training for raw power lifting strength during those times. So he was nowhere near his peak physical strength. Stan has already benched but that won't affect your dead lift squat will to a point. Because the dead lift uses some leg drive too. But Stan is impressive but he's also in a surplus or at least at maintenance calories. He also is focusing on peak strength during these lifts not building.
@@larrybardwell8461 Stan Efferding was a pro bodybuilder simultaneously while he totaled over +2,000 on multiple occasions.
The only two times he ever truly pushed the bodywweight upward and surplus of calories were when he set world records for his weight class at the time.
Ronnie Coleman’s lifts just weren’t as impressive as Stan’s were even when Ronnie focused solely on powerlifting.
Stan is a beast and still lifting heavy.
Thank you for the video. Gonna try it on lunch break
Thanks Doug
Benedikt mangusson vs big boy/larry wheels would be interesting
Hi Max, I need to make a video with Benni
@@StrengthUniverse I agree
Well just by posting his raw conventional deadlift he is mogging everybody
@@Pantelifts10 True but Benni was also a very very good all round powerlifter
My opinion. This was one of the most even comparisons yet! Great stuff!
Ronnie defiently has an argument for the greatest genetics for strength sports. Obviously considered one of the goats for bodybuilding but also having incrediblely high numbers strength numbers for someone not specifically training those movement's.
He was training specifically for the movements. I don't agree with your assessment.
@Non' AchYourbusiness what I meant by specifically training those movement's is he wasn't training those movement's for a competition i.e his goal wasn't to max out his numbers. He was training for bodybuilding and bodybuilding style training often involves alot of volume training which isn't the optimal way to increase strength for a 1 rep max. So the fact he was as strong as he was while being far from the optimal method for training a 1 rep max is what makes his lifts so impressive. In the same way, powerlifters and strongman train bodybuilding movements but most of them would not have a physique anything close to an IFBB prob.
He's the goat in bb, not one of. LOL! His success and size make him the goat.
@Waldel Martell Not sure about winning the wsm, but he's a specimen of a hooman.
He did poqerliftong first tbf
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Ronnie didn't need to use such heavy weight as a bodybuilder and he is paying the price with his destroyed body in his retirement
Good video dude
Cheers Devin
Ron was prepping for MR O so there’s a difference, Stan did have the bigger lifts
Stan Won imo, 363 for a double in a suit can't be compared to 410 raw
Whenever I see Stan's last name, I misread it as Epherdrine. 😂
You didn’t mention the fact that Ronnie wasn’t even training specifically to be as strong as possible. He trained for bbing and just happened to be brutally strong
total bullshit. anyone training and getting 2-5 reps is training for strength
0:19: In the "Red Rising" book series, Ronnie is the obsidian and Stan is a gold.
Looks like that front squat clip is after Stan's retirement, though (1 day before he turned 46).
But I guess it's difficult to find videos of him doing it.
Thanks for another great video, Stan (In my opinion) was the overall winner. Can you do a video on Arthur White please? British, European and World champion deadlift.
Stan is in much better a physical state now, you know?
Great video.comparison between Tom stolman vs mateuz kielszkowski would be great.both are young and has good future.
Ronnie did not have more left in the tank on that deadlift. he could barely lock the second rep out.
I don't know, all things consider I would say it's a push, I really can't say which one I believe was overall stronger, still two of the strongest bodybuilders EVER for sure.
i think just like you👍🏼
Could you do eddie hall vs krzysztof radzikowski it would be intresting
What is more important is the joints heath.
Would be nice to see some of the new-age bodybuilders compared to these guys. Folks like Iain Valliere or James Hollingshead are lifting incredible weights and people take those numbers with indifference. I think they can both rep 7-8 plates on the deadlift and around 7 for squats (maybe I'm wrong with this one). That would put them around the range of 300 kg for both, but those are full working sets for them even during prep.
Stan was in his 40s when he made a comeback to powerlifting he’s the reason I got into getting my blood work done he was a beast Ronnie was a bodybuilder when he lifted them big weights Stan did look good but he was no Ronnie
Fair points mate
Stan definitly wins this one considering hes lighter
@Thor Odinson yeah only 25 heavier nothing to be considered about ofc
I think that people underestimate the fact that Ronnie was not training specifically for powerlifting or let's call me them big lifts. The crazy weights he was lifting was just the way he trained. 800lbs of whatever 5 and half weeks out from competition, who can do that and who will? Very few people in the world... If he was training for big lifts specifically I think that would be impossible to compete with for anybody. I think he would make strongmen look funny and set many unbreakable records.. But then again that's just my opinion
Clarence Kennedy vs Klokov
Stan kicked his ass
I love Stan and Ronnie both but when Ronnie pulled 800 on deadlifts for 2 reps 5 weeks out from the Olympia that was insane
Indeed, though he bounced the weight off the ground for the second rep.
Awesome comparison. As bodybuilders is not even close. Strength wise much closer but efferding wins..he did train specifically for powerlifting tho
Thank you, I agree Ronnie the better BB and Stan the stronger
Stan's results are impressive cause he is far lighter as Ronnie by 55 pounds. Reminds me at Larry.
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Does anyone know what gear use would add on average to lifts or is it different for every lifter? Like if they’re deadlifting 850 on gear, would you expect them to deadlift 700 if they got everything? 600? Is there a general % increase in strength on different compounds ?
It depends on your baseline strength and response to compounds that determines the improvement seen. Generally speaking, certain compounds increase strength more than others and taking more increases strength to the point where your receptors are maxed and your body begins to react to the stress of exogenous compounds negatively. There is an upper limit to taking gear. Test plus anadrol is a solid power lifting stack. You won't need as much as most people think to see huge progress.
A real life example I've seen is a natural guy 5'10" 185lbs grew to 220lbs with the same diet and routine while taking 200mg cyp/ wk. He had low natural test levels and his blood work showed 950 free test on day six of seven, compared to 315 natural. His strength went from 285 squat max to 405, bench 245 to 385 and deadlift from 405 to 515. Those improvements were made by increasing test to the upper range of natural levels.
ron did more reps with heavier weights and stan just pushed for that max rep
they both legends
larry wheels versus ashton rouska
Thank you, looks promising
gotta do a comparison between vegan natty mike'o hearn and brad dingleberries or something.
In the videos where Ronnie is benching wearing a red shirt, his nerve issues that affected his left shoulder are in full display. You can clearly see the muscle atrophy in his left arm, especially when he flat benched. No doubt before this condition started he could bench much more.
now if Ronnie just focused on powerlifting, who knows the insane numbers he would have put up
Ain’t no one wanna lift this heavy ass weight !
Franco was my favorite back in the day.
Stan he didn't half rep like Ronnie, he was stronger.
Ben white was a pretty strong bodybuilder from what I remember should check him out
Stan takes this hands down, Ronnie is only stronger in front squat and at best equel in deadlift.
Though I'd love to see a comparison in curl strength between the 2, my guess is Ronnie might take it but I don't know.
Next: Daniel R. vs Larry W.
Stan was the first BB to beat Ronnie's lifts, Larry was the second, and its possible Nick Walker and Dallas McCarver were over all stronger as well, but very few people talk about them.
Either way, it's pretty clear the king got dethroned here, and having a superior leg press to all of them isn't enough to make up the difference.
Id say Ronnie for sure doesn't get deadlift. The 2nd rep was a bounce rep and not a dead stop rep. Meaning yes one can count it but also actually not. The full motion of a deadlift is to lift the weight stationary off the ground. So thus completing 2 reps means to place it stationary and reset. Still really impressive, I also feel Stan's depth on the squat was not super, I know judges that wouldn't give him a lift with that depth. But he does have a very wide stance so that could be what makes it look so odd.
7:22 - Pacifically?
Stan always amazed me with his pressing ability, considering he had relatively small triceps. You'd expect someone who could bench 275kg to have triceps into the next room, not the flat muscle bellies and lack of any real mass that Stan unfortunately possessed. That being said, he became a real hero to me as a powerlifter. He claimed to be a bodybuilder but I think he got his pro card by the skin of his teeth. His main focus was definitely Powerlifting. He was kinda like Jim Cash from the early 80s who was definitely a Powerlifter who just happened to have a good physique, and Roger Estep who was much the same but even more massive than Cash and maybe Stan as well, given that he was pretty short and incredibly thick.
john haack vs big boy
Nice idea robert
Ronnie is a beast but Stan is the man in Powerlifting!
Kirill sarychev vs oleskii novikov
The Stan, 55 pounds lighter and stronger on pressing by far, a raw lifter, no squat suit and briefs that would have Stan over 1,100 pounds. Stan benched 606 with a pause to lockout in a 3 lift meet putting his gym single at z
About 635. Ronnie’s unofficial lifts were done as a super heavy weight 330 and Stans at 275. None of the reps on presses were close to being locked. It is not even remotely close when you consider the conditions, the body weight or what I have no proof of but I can say with about 99% confidence (dispute it if that is your opinion) the amount of shit Ronnie was on to take his physique to untouchable from awesome genetics and 40 pounds lighter 2 years before his first Olympia victory (when Insulin, GH and IGF entered the equation. Stan had only been powerlifting briefly when he became world champion in his 40s, as a lifelong bodybuilder until he met Mark Bell while in his late 30s when he decided to start lifting as a powerlifter. Ronnie was a power lifter after playing college ball and trained as a power lifter (as far as how heavy he trained) and bodybuilder his entire career. Ronnie’s physique is untouchable. his strength is incredible but when compare his gym lifts to competitive lifts of Stan at 275 it really doesn’t warrant a comparison. Ronnie is the Probably the strongest bodybuilder at bodybuilding movements in a bodybuilding style of all time, but his barbell strength movements are smoked by Stan. If Stan got up to 330 he would be the first raw lifter to total 2500
Pounds and probably a lot closer to 2700. That’s how strong that son of a bitch is. Incredible only slightly overshadowed by a much younger, heavier and better coached Larry Wheels.
Efferding clearly stronger but id give Coleman the incline db press. Ronnie always handled the dumbbells with perfect form and his incline looked steeper, Stan was going all Branch Warren on that one
Stan made the 210s look easy .
Stan was stronger while also being lighter.
Stan was stronger but IF Ronnie was trainign for strength I honestly think he would lift more than Stan... hats off to both..
Yury belkin vs jamal browner
I will be making Larry V jamal if that's any good?
Stan's The Man in powerlifting, Ronnie is obviously the best bodybuilder of the two
The best bodybuilder of all-time, not just of the two. LOL!
Stan "white rhino" efferding....over 200kg on an incline. Wtf!!! Lol this dudes a monster.
Larry wheels: hold by belt
I think Stan was overall stronger, especially if body weight is considered. That said, I’m sure that if Ronnie set his mind to being stronger just for strength’s sake, it would be a different story.
I agree, Stan is verifiably stronger but in theory, if Ronnie had trained to compete in powerlifting he may very well have produced better numbers
You have remember Ronnie trained for both strength and size, he mixed power lifting and body building just like Stan so it's a fair comparison, you could theorize how strong Ronnie would be if he went for purely power/ strength but then you'd have to do the same for Stan.
@@NeonAnimeDreams Ronnie did pure bodybuilding. He just included more heavy sets in his bodybuilding training unlike most bodybuilders but he never did real powerlifting as a Bodybuilder. Stan on the other side switched between bodybuilding and powerlifting. He literally stopped bodybuilding to compete in powerlifting competitions and vice verca.
Stan easily, and it's not close!
Pure Strength-wise most men reached their peak in their 40s so I don't think Stan was really past his prime.
I think you mean mid to late 30s after that strength declines which is why most strength athletes will go on to compete in the masters division (over 40)
Honestly, I think this one is a toss-up. I'm waiting for Ronnie vs Mike O'hearn.
stan is a better presser but i think if he really wanted to ronnie could of matched him in squat and deadlift
If both in their prime
Both on the same drugs
Both on the same diet.
Ronnie remains the king imo
Its very close...Its down to the number of Mr. O wins now....Ouch...Sorry Stan!
How strong Greg Kovacs was?
I would and will try to make that video but having visited this subject in the past there is surprising little videos that show his strength
@@StrengthUniverse thank you
I think that Stan is clearly stronger across the board. Ronnie was just a very strong bodybuilder for his time, and also a much more successful bodybuilder than Stan ever was. In a competition of strength, though, Stan wipes the floor with Ronnie.
Stan won but wasn't a body builder at the time he was a power lifter while Ronnie was getting ready for a show so yes Ronnie barely got beat by a power lifter
Pound for pound Franco Columbo was the strongest but here I would say Ronnie BC he wasn't training for Powerlifting
It doesn't matter that's alot of weight .
Ronnie does this lifts in prep, Stan make in off, if Stan trie to do this in prep he don't will be able.
skip the music and come into the 2021s?
I'm sorry but I don't know what you mean. Did you want a silent video with random commentary?
@@StrengthUniverse its so old to add music to every god damn video.. its so annoying.. many people are hating on videos with music now... its a lazy ass way to make a video!!!
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Ronnie never competed for strength, only body building.
Stan was a little stronger than Ronnie.
Dallas MacCarver and Morgan Aste were also very strong.
Stan is definitely stronger but I think I give Ronnie the title of strongest bodybuilder.
Stan's best lifts were all whilst he was competing in power lifting, not bodybuilding. Perhaps give Stan the title as strongest former bodybuilder?.......
Ronnie is very strong but he only does have reps reps were Stannus has full range of motion I know what is the all-time bodybuilders and lifters always used full range of motion the new guys it’s only half reps
Ronnie if he wanted to be a powerlifter would of been. I think
Ronnie
Stan can still lift pretty heavy, Ronnie canmot.
I don't think my legs would have the thickness of Ronnie's even if I got as fat as possible.
But Ronnie was getting ready probably for the MR.O while you could tell the other guy wasn't so he was eating everything and Ronnie might have been low carb so cool kind of not equal
Hi Joseph, that's incorrect. Ronnie was prepping during 3 of the lifts shown, the others were in the off season and Ronnie was several years younger
@@StrengthUniverse ok but the other guy wasn't at all look at their waist Ronnie's waist looks smaller the other guy waist is thick and looks like he is at power meets I use to go to them my nephew was a power lifter and that guy is at meets or training for meets
Ronnie have a elite powerlifting strenght for a guy who didnt even train for powerlifting specifically
Ronnie did Powerlifting for 4 years although prior to becoming a pro bodybuilder
@@StrengthUniverse yeah i know that most of this lifts was during his bodybuilding days
Can you do Eddie Hall vs John Cena, I know Eddie is the stronger but Cena has some insane lifts to his credit
Maybe John Cena vs The rock? Although this channel is about strong athletes, not actors
Schwarzenegger was, is, and always will be the GOAT, when you figure in all 3 bodybuilding categories!!!
Well in overhead press Ronnie has done 315 for 12 reps..and has claimed to have done 405 for a single. Also you forgot about t bar rows..where I know Ronnie would crush him...and leg press where Ronnie does 2,300 pounds for 7 reps. To me it's a unfair comparison.
The only video of Stan doing a T-Bar Row was from 2019 when he was 52 years old, not really fair to compare a 52 year old who has retired from competing with Ronnie at 36 and in his prime. Leg Presses shouldn't really be compared because every machine is completely different. I couldn't find Stan doing any comparable (seated) shoulder press.
4 weeks out from MR O , do you realise how drained Ronnie would have been in a calorie deficit , low body fat .. and not even doing power lifting training .... where as Stan is an all year power lifter .... yet Ronnie is still able to match and beat him on some lifts ... with that much of an advantage ... Now Imagine Ronnie training all year round to powerlifting with added weight and proper calories consumption...... I think we know Ronnie would've wiped him out no problem.
Can guarantee if Stan was training for MR O .. his strength would've plummeted.... and stans deadlift didnt look legit to me ... he was round shouldered didnt look like he locked out at all... and Ronnie range of motion of the squat was much deeper then stan who used a really wide stance with not great depth
Stan was like 25kg/55lbs lighter dude.....
If Stan was 310lbs+ would have crushed these weights by over 100 lbs
Stan was stronger but Ronnie looked better lifting the weight 😎
Without a doubt Efferding is stronger than Ronnie.
Close
Stan stronger, Ronnie better physique
Ofc nappa is stronger
Stan won overall and in terms of main lifts overall and pound for pound it was an absolute ass kicking. Ron is a beast and a lot of movements requiring leverage that takes advantage of his raw size and gargantuan proportions Give hiM a huge advantage on these kinds of movements. on the bench presses reps were exactly about 50% range of motion. Stan uses full range of motion incline press reps for more than Ronnie on flat . There’s no way in hell Ronnie has a 610 pound raw press with the pause under power lifting rules with no elbow wraps. Stan moved the first and only rep of the front squat extremely fast that was not the only rep he’s capable of doingKnee wraps add about 100 pounds to anyone squat if your squat is in the 600+ range. Stan Raw squats I. The mid 800s pounds officially. If you competed in an organization in full gear which would include squat suit. Briefs plus knee wraps that equals an 1100-1200 squat (if you want to verify this look at what the 1100 plus squatters who competed in full gear are capable of raw squatting in training. Stan had dead lifted close to 900 raw (1 belt no straps and no suit) about the same. Ronnie’s squats and deadlifts were performed using full legal powerlifting support gear. When you see it from that perspective he’s not really a very good power lifter although he could be a very good one if he focused on it. I’m not suggesting Ronnie could be a champion powerlifter if that’s what he concentrated on but obviously bodybuilding is a much more lucrative sport so as a bodybuilder Ronnie is extremely strong. However, based on the legacy both men have left behind it’s not even close to Paris and given that Stan gives up about 60 pounds to Ronnie in body weight. Both men are complete animals but Stan has nowhere near Ronnie’s genetics for muscle mass which is why he didn’t amass 8 Olympia Victories. The thing many people do not realize about powerlifters, is it a train with submaximal weights A great deal of the time. Also mini bodybuilders train with moderate to light weight, Bodybuilders like a Ronnie who train heavy all the time, Expose themselves to so many potential injuries while hurting their strength peak. Additionally, the amount of drugs including insulin and IGF as well as anabolic’s and raw testosterone Necessary to get Ronnie Coleman’s proportions is really insane. Also both men used performance enhancing drugs along with other athletes and their caliber and still came out on top, powerlifters do not require the same amount of drugs as bodybuilders.
Stan incline press is 500 pounds with better for them Ronnie does with 405 while Stan Weighs about to 270 and Ronnie weighs about 330. The strength levels are not even remotely close. Ronnie to total beast but he’s more likely to impress people when he’s doing bent over Rose and dumbbell presses