How Strong was Dorian Yates Vs Ronnie Coleman?
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- How Strong was Dorian Yates Vs Ronnie Coleman?
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What is this song?
You're a joke, Ronnie Coleman's strength far exceeds Dorian Yates,period!
Your selective comparisons and comments indicate a one eyed bias,
Clearly you are a "fan boy" of Dorian Yates and I sense racial wishful thinking.
@@simonhoareau7044 😂 everything I’ve shown and spoken about in the video is a fact if the result wasn’t clear I gave no opinion and asked for the viewers to decide by leaving a comment. How any of that constitutes as bias or racism please let me know
I get goosebumps when watching how dorian fully stretches his legs on the leg press with this amount of weight 🙈
Luckily the leg press is afraid to break Dorian's legs in the dungeon gym
Exactly this!! u never extend that way.. i was waiting for a painfull snap.
The crazy part is I hit 1300 pounds for 4 reps last week and I’m only 19
@@bigjoe9543 Were you doing it between Warzone matches?
Right
Dorian always made every rep count most of the time he had flawless technique, he probably could of gone heavier with some lifts but at the sacrifice of form.
Ronnie is a freak he can use whatever range of motion at them crazy weights and get growth from it.
It's impressive to note that Dorian Yates always performed his workouts with proper form despite him using heavy weights.
Dorian’s analytical approach as impressive as his technique and strength.
Proper form? You train the muscle not the joints.
@@adamhelper3277 you are right bro. That's the way it is.
Everytime I see Dorian on stage. I get goosebumps. The best conditioning ever. Full muscles,and that tricep pose. Just wonderful
Hell no
@@Boxerman801 Hell yes
@@Boxerman801 who fukn had better 😂
You gay af
"this video is to be viewed for entertainment only"
It was extremely entertaining!
LOL, thanks mate
Yeah,that's right "entertainment ", has nothing to do with reality.
Sick of armchair experts speculating instead of thorough research.
I've always wondered how strong Dorian was. Considering he did his deadlifts last in his back workout and also considering he only pulls the first one off of the floor, I've always figured he had a max deadlift well over 600-650lbs. We'll never know obviously, but it's always fun to ponder.
@@buttslamify I often thought that as well. If he can RDL 455 for reps at the end of a workout, then 650+ off the floor for one wouldn't have been out of the question.
He was doing 4+ plates for 6+ reps (not even the first exercise in his routine) with perfect form, it's safe to say that he would have a very impressive max deadlift
@@dj_m1999 absolutely
That was a limited exercise for Dorian, limited weight to avoid lower back problems. Enough to keep his lower back developed. His concentration was on pull downs and pull over to grow his lats.
Yates was a beast unbelievably strong
Dorian was actually doing stiff leg deadlifts for hamstrings, not really a regular deadlift for overall power - see how much you can lift. He actually claimed via magazines back then that he did squats on the Smith machine "rock bottom" with 600lbs. Also claimed close reverse grip lat pulldowns with 400lbs, and a bench press on a slight decline using 500lbs. It's also hard to compare a guy who is lifting heavy with not great form and trying to use as much weight as possible to a guy who uses impeccable form with a weight he can control and wasn't worried about ego lifting.
Just compare the form in the bent over rows, Yates controls the weight fully, 0 momentum, 0 swinging around like Ronnie who is doing speed reps with as much swinging and momentum as possible
@Big B, It looked like a Romanian Deadlift or Stiff legged but this was simply the form Dorian used. He classes it as a deadlift and it was done at the end of his "back Day". He trains Hamstrings in his "leg day". . He did claim to do 8 reps of 500lbs on bench press but I could find no supporting evidence of this so I didn't feature it.
No he wasn't, they aren't stiff legged. They became known as dorian dead lifts, traditional but take the weight to just below the knee. Fucking brilliant exercise
Romanian deadlifts are what he was doing. SLDs has the bar start from the ground and touching the ground through each rep while keeping the knees as straight as possible. Romanian deadlifts is starting at the top with the weight and hinging at the hips with knee bend just enough to feel your glutes and hamstrings activate, putting yourself almost parallel with the floor.
He was doing a Dorian Deadlift, which are amazing by the way, which maintains complete control over the weight. The best deadlift variation for the back of bodybuilding is your goal.
On strength I will always give it to Ronnie Coleman. He was freaky strong for a bodybuilder.
he is stronger than some powerlifters too
Honestly - 1998 and 1999, along with the 2001 Arnold, were the best versions of Ronnie. 2003 was just the biggest. Obviously Ronnie was the stronger of the two, but the fact that Dorian's training style was so focused on hypertrophic overload clearly showed that pure strength wasn't what he was looking for. Despite this, as all top bodybuilders are, Dorian was incredibly strong for any human of a similar build.
2004 was Ronnie biggest and while IMO I agree that Ronnie looked better early on in his career most Bodybuilding pundits state that the best versions of Ronnie were 2001 Arnolds of which the footage is absolutely terrible and thus I couldn't use it and 2003 Mr O which was is what I used
@@StrengthUniverse NO the 03 isnt mentioned as his best
98 and 01 ac are his best conditioned forms by far
03 may have been more dominant display but its not his best version.
Ronnie was only 296 lb once, but his first mr O he was 247 lb, he said so himself
if yuo average ronnies contest weight for all his 8 olympias, you get around 268 lb or so
if you average dorians contest weight for his 6 wins you get 257 lb or so
the difference in size isnt as big
if you compare their heaviest offseasons, its 310 for yates and 330 for coleman, 20 lb difference and yates was LEANER in the offseason than coleman was, fact proven by his superior abdominal definition ad xmas tree
@@TheLusianPopa there was a poll run by Bodybuilding.com that asked which years Ronnie Coleman bought his best physique and By Far the to most voted years were 1999 and 2003! Do you want a link?
I agree imo his earlier looks were definitely better even though he wasn't as big
Dorian was doing it right Training with near perfect technique to maximize intensity but not fuck is his body like Ronnie did
Both are just so awesome…. But I will say Dorian looked like he was carved out of granite that particular year. And Ronny is just a beast !!
You have to thank Paul borresson for that knowledge
Dorian controls the weight like a bodybuilder, Ronnie is more Explosive with the reps. His range of motion is far superior than Ronnie's too.
Dorian decía el movimiento de la repetición es como una fuente,de agua explosivo hacia arriba y bajar descendente lentamente
Gotta Say
Ronnie looks like superman in that last comparison, but Dorian looks like he was carved from granite.
Respect.
Dorian used limited weight at deadlift. Just to be in program but not exaggerating to avoid lower back problems. He does a few reps and stops way before exhaustion. His main focus was on lats doing pullover.
absolutely outstanding choice for a video, Total Dorian fan here
Hey Bill, Thank you, glad you enjoyed it
How strong is John Cena vs any other WWE wrestler would be fun to see
So many wwe wrestlers have used fake or bullshit lifts.
Dorian Yates for me…. Ushered in a new era. Physique and conditioning was impeccable
He is the best of all time.
I started following him since like 2017 I mean videos etc. and his previous mr.olympias, I got conclusion that this man is really the GOAT of this sport, doing 90% of the time Hypertrophy and his series Blood & Guts motivates me more and more, so for me he is my biggest motivaiton when it comes to Mr.Olympia!
It's Ronnie the winner
Great video! At the end showing them both hitting similar poses, to me, Dorian looked a little better…both just amazing bodybuilders!
Thanks Steve. I agree Dorian looks better here, although some of that maybe due to different lighting and video quality.
Thank you loving it all
Thanks Paul
You can literally see on the rows seated press and deadlift how Ronnie fucks his spine and Dorian lifts more controlled to not fuck his spine
both Dorian as Ronnie are my favorite
great content love the music, a thought came to my head, have you considered doing strength comparison for wwe wrestlers, boxers, basketball players, American football players, known athletes in general ?
Thank you. That's a good suggestion
This video was for entertainment only. Dorian is very underrated bodybuilder and people hate him for no reason.
I don't know about people hating him but he is certainly underrated probably due to people judging him from photographs of 1997
@@Pantelifts10 Every mr Olympia have some controversial win. Is very subjective sport
@@vladoserfel I completely agree
Awesome video dude!
Thanks!
Typo. You put deadlift for bentover rows
Pointing out a typo? You must be new here
Thanks Mark
the vertical value of the weight is about 1150lbs for Ronnie and 820lbs for Dorian, but Dorians position is more quad dominant and his ROM is much bigger.
Ronnie was a beast Dorian was a technic worrier so both two of the big favourites for me both machines floorless hard bodys MASSIVE THUMBS UP
I wouldn't give the bench press a draw, since Dorian not only did less reps, but also had a spotter, who continuesly touched the bar. This makes pressing way easier, and also you can see that for the last rep his spotter actually helped a lot.
They both had spotters who helped on the final 2 repetitions as stated in the video. Dorian did approximately 50% less reps but he had a 100% greater (double) the range of motion so the weight is moving a much further distance
@@StrengthUniverse I don't totally agree, since Ronnie did 7 reps on his own, and the spotter only touched at the top part of the 8th rep and the entire 9th rep. Dorians spotter on the other hand has touched the bar for every repetition Dorian did, which makes the lift WAY easier. Also Dorians spotter helped a lot on his last rep, you can see his muscles tense as he lifts the bar off Dorians chest. The argument of range of motion applys to ronnies lockout on the first reps, that's true. Still, I doubt that Dorian would have done more than 3 reps on his own. Having a spotter on every rep helps a ton, not just by having to press effectivly less weight, but it also helps with stabilisation. In the past when I was sort of "bro lifting" and had a spotter continuesly touch the bar, I could bang out 8 reps with 130kg instead of my regular 3. "All you bro"
Dorian did full reps tho. I don't think he was stronger, but going to lockout absolutely matters, and Ronnie didn't get close.
@@JasonCloseOK Going to lockout doesn't matter if you do zero reps on your own. What Ronnie did is way harder to achieve
@@lk-ip1xs Ronnie is definitely a stronger guy. But, there's a reason guys avoid lockout, and that's because it's harder.
This is a great analysis. A+. It would be good if more vids were created in this format comparing bodybuilders.
Thanks C.T.
Can we get a body measurement comparison between Ronnie and Dorian, then look out Weider's perfect proportion chart and see who Meets the criteria more proportionally, granted the chart came before mass.....
Sounds like a nice idea
Dorian manejaba pesos grandes con técnica y control y Ronnie pesos descomunales y con impulso, los resultados están a la vista, Dorian lleva una vida sana, y Ronnie lamentablemente se maneja en silla de ruedas, fueron dos culturistas que llevaron el deporte a otro nivel
Dorian just beat ronnie on that stage. His conditioning and detail was second to none
Nice video
Thanks, much appreciated
2 of the very best ever! Hard for me to decide which was best. But Dorian's rock hard granite like conditioning was like no one else I've seen before or since. So edge to Dorian.
Having Leroy's vocal histrionics in the background should count as an unfair advantage for Yates
Oh yes! that's got to add 20%
Ronnie's incline were performed after the flat bench press where as Dorian begins with them... I know the range of motion of Ronnie makes you cry but the results speaks for him....
How much weight was Dorian actually using on the incline bench. Says 408 but looks 425 lbs. Four 45's plus a 10 on each side
Dorian's calves looked a lot better than Ronnie's. Love them both. Yeah buddy !!!
Dorian always looked way harder and chiseled. His front and rear lat spread were unequaled by anyone. He definitely had a weakness after he tore his bicep unfortunately. Ronnie had way better biceps. Dorian had better aesthetics as well. Ronnie was clearly bigger though. Even Dorian said so.
Ronnie looked more pleasing to me. And bigger.
You should get yourself a labrador
Yates was a lot more of a realist as Ronnie was. The human body, regardless of exogenous drugs can only metabolize or sustain the stress these folks endured. Yates used the ole Mentzer Heavy Duty principle. Yates accomplished his goals without long term consequences while Coleman didn't. Yates can walk to the BR without a problem, Ronnie can't. I wish these folks the best!
you can use geometry to make the leg press numbers more comparable if you know the leg press angle. as explained below, that puts mr. coleman's maximum estimated 1-rep-max about 32% higher than mr. yates'.
if you remember your highschool trig and physics lessons, the portion of the weight on the leg press machine that you actually have to push against is multiplied by the sine of the leg press angle. if the angle is 0 degrees (horizontal leg press) the sine function is also zero, and so it takes basically no effort to push the weight. if it's 90 degrees the machine is vertical, and so you have to push all of the weight (the sine of 90 degrees is 1).
to make a long story short, for the lifts to become comparable you'd have to multiply mr. yates' numbers by a factor of sin(45deg) / sin(30deg) ~ 1.4. in other words, were mr. yates to leg press on mr. coleman's machine, he could theoretically do 525 * 1.4 kg = 735 kg for 11 reps.
if we now translate the weight * reps into a 1-rep-max estimate using the epley formula, we get 1043 * [1 + (8 / 30)] kg ~ 1321 kg for mr. coleman, and 735 * [1 + (11 / 30)] kg ~ 1004 kg for mr. yates.
Thanks for the upload, however if you watch closely, note the deliberately controlled reps of Dorian and the full range of motion vs the jerky, partial and not so strict style used by Ronnie.
Difficult to gauge true strength of these legends in my opinion noting their training styles.
Both of them are amazing
Obviously Dorian is simply training to get better an doesn't really care about the weight but one thing that needs to be taken into account is rest periods with this. A lot of bodybuilders hardly rest at all between sets instead of the several minutes most rest before a top set and it makes a massive difference. Interesting to see the difference in conditioning when close up at the end, can really see what Dorian talks about.
Time under tension and full controlled range of motion can make a set seem harder and weight feel heavier
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at 5:22 Dorian is actually doing RDL's not a regular deadlift.
My Favorite bodybuilders were Frank Zane & Steve Reeves as well as Arnold & Jay Cutler & Ronnie Coleman & Dorian Yates
FRank Zane woudl not even win a junior contest these days. MOst overrated BBer ever in my opinion
He always has a spotter that’s helping
Dorian el mejor..saludos..
Dorien with arguably the best side tricep/chest of all time.🤯💪🏻🤘🏻
You need to visit an optometric,really.
You need to visit a optometrist, no joke.
Side tricep yes. Side chest hell no.
Very hard to choose one. Two real Mass Monsters
Could you do a video of Larry Wheels vs Jamal Browner please? Big fan by the way!
Lovely, both...
Goosebumps time: 5:59
Thank you Strength Universe! 🥇
Again coming coming to this epic posedown! Amazing music too!
Thanks again my friend. Wish we could have seen Big Ronnie and The shadow compete at their peaks
@@StrengthUniverse What a spectacle it would have been! But here you made it possible for us!
@@Nirsterkur I tried but considering Ronnies era was after Dorian’s most of footage of him posing sucks, really low resolution
Nice
Thanks
IN THE NEXT VIDEO NEW SCHOOL VS OLD SCHOOL
JHON HAACK VS ED COAN PLEASE🙏
Dorian was doing partial deadlifts so he never set the bar on the ground. Makes it quite a bit harder as there's no break
Can you please do a how strong was Victor Martinez video?
Loving these videos💪, why not (Ronnie coleman v Markus Ruhl?) two of the biggest bodybuilders 💪.
i Gaz, I made that one a few weeks ago although I don't recommend it due to the lack of available footage
Dwóch mistrzów! Nie można tak naprawdę ich porównywać...
Dorian body is grainy muscles its really unique
I believe Dorian was more complete, as Ronnie had weak forearms, but mass made him the King...
You've got to be joking, lol.
Ronnie was never known for weak forearms dude..
@@rayanthony5647 people overlook certain aspects if the rest of the body is way up there, Dorian had better forearm proportions, think Lee Priest, Sergio Olivia Senior, Ronnie did not have great forearms look at the insertions... Maybe someone would do a body measurement comparison, between Ronnie and Dorian?
@Stuart Mackay . But he has a better looking arm than Dorian. Better package too.
@@rayanthony5647 it's hard to dispute Ronnie's credentials, he was the king for a reason, but personal preference for me would be with others, if I was young and starting out, Sergio Olivia Senior would be my choice, a man penalised for his genetic gifts, great insertions but he didn't confirm with the other 99% of athletes so he was considered less worthy for it, I believe he was asked what he'd be like if he took the same as Ronnie etc, scary thought....
Peak Dorian for the win 🥇
I was right that Dorian has a wider back and greater front lateral spread
Dorian is a freaking scientist
It's hard to compare considering that Dorian slows down on the negative movement of his lifts while Ronnie lets gravity do the work
Ronnie was a powerlifter before he was a bodybuilder. I remember when Ron first came in the IFBB of course I was a senior in HS when I had that Flex mag issue.
He was not a powerlifter before he was a bodybuilder. He was doing both at the same time and the 4 competitions he competed in were pull only (deadlift)
@@StrengthUniverse Nonetheless he was strong in both
Nick Walker vs Ronnie
Thanks Charlie, coming soon
tuff one, but when i was a kid it was ronnie. But now dorian
LIFTING is FOREVER UNIVERSAL 🇺🇲🇬🇧🥇🏋️♂️💪💯
How about a comparison between Mateusz Kieliszkowski and Oleksi Novikov?
Dorian was a complete bodybuilder ( condition
Big Ron was what we will never see again but had a power lifter chest
I would not disagreed with anyone choice out of respect for the two game changers in the sport
on incline Ronnie's reps were so fast and Dorian did slow paused reps so makes sense he got a few less and a t a lower body weight which is impressive
Just give the win to Ronnie on the leg press. Very few people in the world managed to do those numbers. It's not even a questions tbh.
Something worth noting is that Gary Taylor who later went on to compete in the WSM , who was a huge and very strong bloke, Dorian against him on stage in EFBB Britain 1988 beat him Gary into 2nd place. I dont know if anyone who has not met Dorian woudl understadn how big he was, but that was his aim. IM sure if trained specifically for strenghht - as it appears Ronnie did during certain phases - he woudl have been handling even crazier poundages.
What the he'll is EFBB Brittan?
Dorian was Super Strong, but he isn't even in the ballpark of the Strength of the Strongest Bodybuilder ever.
Yea, Stan Efferding is in his own league.
@@Boddah. People like Stan, Johnny etc, have a few special lifts. Ronnie is the Strongest across all body parts and exercises.
what about Morgan Aste ,,he is more stronger in bench
@@hauntedpalace3334 just might be able to put up more weight on the bench but overall that's just one exercise
@@hauntedpalace3334 As indicated in my above comment. And yes he's also one of the Strongest.
Dorian all day. Textbook form.
At 3:38 i can’t tell whether Dorian is doing the work or his partner is assisting on all the reps, I think he’s holding the back of the leg press just in case Dorian couldn’t get the weight all the way up
Ronnie actually got a real high going super heavy
I seem to remember Dorian being claimed doing 950lbs in a squat in a flex mag around 1993
Lol oh those mag claims..we didn't know any better back then lol
@@Pantelifts10 Hahaha
Strength universe can you make a video on Kyle Kirvay
Hi, I will look into it
5:23 Romanian deadlift
It's just a deadlift as is stated by Dorian but I agree the form he uses makes it closer to a Stiff legged deadlift or Romanian Deadlift
I would love to see a Marcus rul
Ronnie was a fucking anomaly his amount of quality muscle mass was insanity. Him in his prime no one is touching not even close. Even if u put someone his size next to him like say ramy the difference is quality would be glaring he is the greatest I've ever seen
And now, Dorian normally living cause of correctly exercising, and Ronnie is totally broken 😑
You do aware has a great role in it ? Also one of ronnie's hip surgeries went bad and made him cripple.
@@arikrotem9750Am glad there are people like you who know that.. These people will keep using those "broken" excuses not knowing one day both Ronnie and Dorian will die despite their form but what will remain is legacy of who was the greatest and King of BB
@@arikrotem9750 okay and why he needed hip surgery???
@@brothers7sisters399 does it matter ? People who had hip surgeries for the same reason, managed to recover and continue squatting.
@@arikrotem9750 you have to read first my message again. Your answer doesn't make sense with my message
DORIAN the perfect beast
For the leg press Ronnie's machine means that the net weight is essentially half of the total weight so ~520 kg (+ friction, but it's there for every machine) and Dorian's with the 45° angle is 0,707 so 372 kg. The difference is almost 1.5x to Ronnie, but Dorian did 1,375 times that many reps with a much better form and depth. I think it's close to a draw, but due to Ronnie being in almost contest shape and that repetitions and weight is not linear I think he narrowly won.
Ronnie used knew wraps though which SIGNIFICANTLY affects how much you lift on squats let alone the leg press.
@@osigma-5713 that is true, I have realized that since I wrote my comment. It's closer to a draw then.
Coleman loved pain.
Another great comparison video an gotta say even thow Dorians English ronny the machine beats him hands down wat an absolute beast..bigup both men but ronnie was on another planet..bigup from bidzy westmids gypsies 👊💪💪🙏👍💯
Is better than pre-work out
I swear Leroy Davis could motivate the current US President to run a marathon .
I agree, use to use Blood and Guts as motivation before hitting the gym
Great video both Dorian and Ronnie were incredibly strong l suppose Ronnie edges out Dorian strength wise although they trained differently but Ronnie was is and always will be the king no doubt about it greatest of all time certainly no disrespect to Dorian he was incredible to say the least........thanks for the video
You should do a video about Kevin Levrone. He doesn't get mentioned enough about his strength. 😀
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We want to see Morgan Aste vs Ronnie Coleman
Best bodybuilder ever,
For those who think locking out your legs on a leg press is harder/better than keeping the tension on the muscle, clearly don't know shit about muscle growth and will most likely have smaller muscles with joint problems. The amount of gear these guys were on meant they could wipe their ass and get a better pump in their arms than a naty on arm day.
conclusion : you can lift tons of more weight with bad form.. i prefer good form controlling the weight all day.. that’s what made dorian muscle quality unique to this day
If Yates had arms like big Ron Yates would have won 8 olmpia
Ronnie was a powerlifter prior his BB career, so he liked to keep some of that training style.
Dorian was very precise and didactic with his perfect form in every rep. The max weight wasn't the goal for him like it was for Ronnie.
Comparing them in their best shape - Dorian '93 (especially his '93 photoshoot) vs Ronnie '98 Mr.O:
Dorian's winning poses:
- Front lat spread
- Back lat spread
- Side tricep
- Abs & thighs
+ (calves and forarms)
Ronnie winning:
- Front double biceps
- Back double biceps
- Side chest
- Most muscular
Both amazing in their best shape. I prefere Dorian overall (Ronnie was really lacking those calves compared to Dorian).
Back Lat spread I would give it to Ronnie.. His traps and glutes were unmatched and he was still known for good conditioning all seasons
Hahaha,the only body part Dorian beat Ronnie was cales.
Sorry misspelt calves