I don't think you should be allowed to drive commercially without a licence. The number of deathwish pizza drivers and uber eats I have to react to save the lives of each week is shocking. The added pressure of a boss demanding you get somewhere on time is not conducive to a calm learning environment.
My local take away in Walthamstow had five riders. A police investigation found they had two licences between them which they were sharing. Two of them weren't even allowed to work in Britain.
I can't remember what the legal responsibilities of the companies are, but I have a niggling feeling that 'gig economy' excuses prevail. Both company and rider should be licenced - and have liability.
I agree. If you wish to work you need to have passed a test for the vehicle you intend to use. This means you will have had proper training with a proper instructor on the roads. Motorcycle instructors are a pretty good bunch in the UK and demand high standards which him turn will make better riders.
I’ve been on a motorcycle for about 4 months. Excluding one time, every issue I’ve ever had has been mopeds on L plates with delivery boxes on the back. They shouldn’t be allowed to do commercial jobs without a full license
In Bristol we are plagued by scooter riders, usually with L plates, who are delivering fast food. They speed, weave in and out of traffic without warning, wrong side bollards and regularly ignore red traffic signals and signs prohibiting manoeuvres. But, of course, we've effectively given up on road policing.
Pedestrian areas such as Corn Street and Small Street have a high number of junkfood and "restaurant" establishments using these junk food delivery companies. They have no regard for road signs showing no motor vehicles because they have no education to read the signs and understand where they are allowed. They often ride without the skills to slow down and force pedestrians out of the way. It isn't for anyone to police their road use any more than a car driver but for them to pass a higher level of skill beyond the CBT. It is their responsibility not mine or anyone else. Deliveroo and their clones need to do more to use skilled riders but it is the rider who is at fault for riding the way they do. The enforcement through cameras would be helpful but would fall foul of the angry daily mail brigade sadly. Riders are responsible for their own actions though, and you can't always force people to do things the way others want.
My city's delivery drivers have moved onto fully propelled electric bicycles that require no pedalling, which are possibly worse as they bear no registration and riders can get away without even having a provisional licence.
Absolutely. The car centric view the roads belong to them is wrong. However, car drivers lack the observational skills of full licence bike riders. It is essential to upgrade riders skills after passing the test. The CBT needs extensive changes though to show a level of skill greater than offered currently. Many CBT riders are young and used to pedal cycles.
Actually, bikes are vulnerable, and there are some situations you cannot control (e.g. hidden oil slicks on the road) which can catch you out however good you are. One of the reasons I eventually quit while I was ahead (after owning 4 bikes)...
@@hippophile Agreed, oil slicks can be a hazard. Thankfully, in my fifty years of riding ‘one motorbike, a 1970 BSA Thunderbolt’ I've only come off once.🙏 I still have my much-loved BSA, I'm now just a fair-weather rider. 👍
Congratulations, you must be a very good rider! I came off three times, Once when a passenger opened a door in my face as I was passing (legally) in the left filter lane, once on an oil slick just after a corner left by a bus probably, once on ice (my fault really). I also hit an oil slick riding down Park Lane in heavy traffic, but just wobbled a lot, thankfully. Impossible to see that one coming. @@gk2811
In 1984 I caused an accident ‘during my driving test’ and still passed. In the city just under 30MPH and I had a young idiot on a moped tail gating me [he was riding about 4 ft away from my rear bumper I couldn’t even see his headlight he was so close,] As I came around a sharp blind bend there were cars parked on both sides so the road narrowed, cars were coming the opposite way so I had to give way at short notice within a short distance, I quickly looked in my mirror and signalled and pulled in to a gap between the parked cars on the left to give way. To which the moped behind swerved left behind me to avoid hitting me from the rear as I braked, he hit the kerb head on, went over the handle bars onto the footpath, I looked left out of the passenger side window to see him and the moped landing in a tangled heap in a shop doorway. The driving examiner completely ignored this… he sat there in the passenger seat staring straight ahead and refused to look left at the guy lying on the floor. The Traffic cleared, I looked, signalled, and pulled out and continued on and passed my test.
Wow. Did he not even mention it when he told you you'd passed, just to affirm that you had done everything correctly? You were part of the circumstances of the accident, but the causes were the motorcyclist's tailgating and poor anticipation.
@@ChrisBrown-px1oy Yep he completely ignored it as if it didn’t happen, I presume he thought that I was a good driver, did everything correctly as far as the test was concerned, and didn’t want some idiot ruining my test for me, 🤔
@@robg521 I knew someone who passed despite reversing into some dustbins, but that story had a context. It was the first test his examiner conducted after returning from a suspension imposed for failing absolutely everybody - including two IAM drivers sent as mystery shoppers! She just looked at Ken and said "That wasn't very clever, was it?". Knowing her reputation, he said "No".
Sounds like it was the Moped riders fault though, good examiner probably didn't mention it as it'd get you flustered and then maybe fail, examiners are usually really switched on to crap happening on the roads.
Be very cautious of riders in convoy…while most are sensible there are those that will see an open road and see an opportunity to open the throttle. Those behind then feel compelled to keep up with them and might take even bigger risks than the first rider And if you are in convoy on two wheels, keep an eye out for those that have only seen the lead rider and don’t see anyone behind them. I have seen a few near misses where that has happened
I've said it a few times on my videos, 'Sheeping It'. One person makes the decision to go, so they all go. Cars on roundabouts for example, the car to the right has gone, so they go, only to discover they're not quick enough to clear oncoming traffic.
Riding as a pair or even a threesome is usually ok. The problem get worse the larger the group. If your tail end of a dozen then you often feel pressured to keep up. The lights change, a car turns in , the road changes so the straight the leader had on to pass now becomes a blind bend for you as tail end Charlie. The trail breaker rider must ride at 80% of the worst rider in the packs ability or its a shit show. If it turns into a race or the leader is pushing the performance of a bike or more usually the rider bad things will happen. You as a part of the group must, must, must ride for your self within your and your bikes capability. Not be afraid to wave goodbye and I'll see you tomorrow. Its one of the reasons I don't ride as part of a group. I might ride with a mate, particularly if I don't know the route. But I'm too fond of my skin to be pushing the envelop to keep up with a group riding.
Riding in a group is generally a terrible idea in my opinion, particularly for fair weather riders who only appear in convoy on sunny days to play RTC roulette. Unless you get a properly sensible and measured group of people, there are always some pushing themselves to keep up. The common etiquette is for less slower/less experienced riders to lead and set the pace, but this also relies on them being assured that no one behind is in a rush so they should go at their pace and make good decisions, otherwise hubris again arises and they push beyond their comfort and skill level. Nothing inherently or necessarily wrong with a group, or indeed a twist of throttle, but a safe overtake for one rider quickly becomes a thoroughly lethal overtake for the 4th/5th rider etc to follow.
I've been riding since 1976 and this footage is shocking. Just one point Ash. They are now called butterfly's as they come out in the summer all nice and shiny but die off in the winter 😢😢
Many times I get asked to go on Rideout's with other bikers, But I just think it adds pressure to go fast and take unnecessary risks so I go on my own and meet them at the destination.
I had a work colleague who described his Sunday morning ride outs with the lads on their sports bikes. He said he spent the entire time at the back , pulling lethal overtakes just to keep up and almost with his eyes closed. Terrified the whole time. I didn’t call him a stupid cnt to his face but certainly thought it. Pathetic beta males who’d rather die or be paralysed than have the piss taken for arriving thirty seconds after the ‘Big Boys’. I’ve done 99% of my 40 years on two wheels, riding alone. I’m the boss, I can stop where I want, pick the route I want and go as fast as I feel like going
My dad said he did one of those with some fellas, but ended up being left for dust. I'm glad he didn't try doing anything stupid though, as he has had an accident before (he stopped whilst me and my brother were kids as a result) and knows the potential for a lethal accident.
@@highdownmartin Absolutely spot on! Totally fail to understand it myself when 99% of the attraction to me is simply to be on my own, going where I want at my own pace!
This is the thing I can never really work out. I think there's a need in our society for a cheap, accessible, form of motorised transport, so someone at 16 can go out and get themselves to a job, apprenticeship, college. If we didn't have a cheap and easy way of getting on a 50cc, then would these same people just have an unregistered bike and no training? Or an e-bike and no training? To my mind, riding a restricted twist and go is no more difficult or dangerous than riding a pushbike, and I did some stupid things on my mountain bike at that age. I do think that a lot of the problem with scooter riders comes from them having basic training, then using the bike commercially for deliveries. Lack of training and experience, then add in a pressure to deliver in a time limit and do more deliveries to make more money.....
The gig economy also involves community carers. These are people on bikes, e bikes, e scooters and scooters who have to go between elderly peoples homes for 15-30 minutes worth of pay, who sometimes have 20+ appointments in the day and don't get paid for travel between them. It's an incredibly stressful job, because messing up can cause serious harm to the people you have a duty of care towards, and you are often abused all day long by those same people who should be in mental health care homes but the councils don't do it anymore due to funding.
I love that there's now a 2nd motorcycle special. Perhaps the start of a new series? Already love the nice driving and driving fail series, as well as the cycling series, learning points, all of it. Ashley, mate, your content is an underrated gem. Your videos make me a better rider and others better drivers and I bloody well mean that. You questioned whether the CBT is enough, and I genuinely don't think it is. Having done all the provisional stuff in the UK, and then again in Ireland for my full Cat A Irish licence, the IBT (Initial Basic Training) over here is FAR more comprehensive than the CBT, with more focus on 1:1 riding over the course of 2-3 days, not just an afternoon.The CBT just doesn't even compare.
He put his back brakes on in the roundabout. I don't agree that motorcyclists should just not ride if it's raining. You will get caught in the rain, and need to be able to ride in it. The road itself isn't actually that slippery. It's things like manhole covers, white lines, bit of oil, etc. that make it a lot worse.
About the CBT... I'd like to encourage people out of cars and on to bikes- too much of our space is used up by bigger and bigger cars so i don't like putting barriers up to discourage people from making a switch. I do think though that if your a learner then time on the road should be training and not working. To do deliveries i think we should require a full license as proper instructor training can install a better attitude in a group i notice to have a bad one
Re the scooter riders, those with the food box on the back almost always have L plates. I cannot understand how any learner can get the required hire and reward insurance for food deliveries. And the fact is many are unlicensed and uninsured because they're using someone else's identity to sign up with Deliveroo etc, and to rent the scooter. A situation made worse by the almost complete lack of enforcement.
They most likely do not have business insurance & I would not mind betting any of them share one licence, one insurance and duplicate license plates. It would be so easy for the old bill to have a purge in the city centre, just stop all mopeds (and push-bikes who have no lights) waiting outside a fat food hop & check every one of them. Put a little sticker on their number plate when checked, so time is not wasted checking the same one twice. Duplicate licences and plates would soon show up, as when checking a duplicate, system will show they have recently been checked. Of course copper are far too busy waiting for their food delivery on night shift or setting up catch-all speed traps for easy pickings & easy work.
I did a CBT and a direct access course many years ago when I returned to bike riding. From memory the CBT was mearly a course to enable you to safely control your motorcycle and did not teach the necessary road craft for riding on the highways. The direct access course taught me the fundamentals of safe riding. It frightens me that younger riders can do a CBT and then ride their machines on public roads without any further training.
True, the CBT is a learners permit but it's getting abused now, i think they are talking about doing away with CBT renewals which will encourage more to do the full DAS, as you say though, even DAS only teaches the fundamentals, they don't teach things like countersteering (at least my instructor didn't), surviving on a bike is about attitude, you gain the DAS then start really learning how to ride (i'm 4 years in and still learning), your average 17 year old just doesn't have that approach.
Ashley I’m mid 30s now but I did my cbt at 17. I overcooked a wet left hand turn ended up an inch off the verge on the incorrect side of the road. Luckily no one was comin from the opposite side. And yes I still passed. It was a joke. Nearly 20 years on of safe riding I’ve taken additional lessons especially when I took a few years off the road.
The BMW in the CarVertical segment, The last know mileage on the vehicle was 57,933 but on the odometer in the photos it shows 32,399 Miles, it has been clocked. Very simple to do on vehicles these days as it's all digital, most of the time it takes a few minutes with the right tools, whenever buying a vehicle this is the number #1 thing to look out for, you can also check MOT history to try and calculate an average miles per year the vehicle drives, if all of a sudden that amount changes dramatically it can mean the mileage has been altered
Can I just say, any riders wanting to have a great time and learn how to do so on the roads SAFELY, get in touch with with the Institute for Advanced Motor(cycle)ists, or the Royal Society for Prevention of Accidents. My experience with IAM was weekend ride outs with police motorcycle instructors, you were assigned a mentor (an IAM qualified rider) and when you were competent enough to achieve a qualification, your insurance is dropped by hundreds of pounds per year….AND you’ve got a better chance of staying sticky side down, shiny side up every journey! 🥳👍 Go learn what IPSGA means, your future self will thank you!
As a motorcyclist of over 50 years experience, I would make three comments. First, the complex and expensive motorcycle training system appears to me to have done little but make getting a licence more complex and expensive. Second, apart from the obvious massive increase in traffic levels making all forms of driving more difficult and dangerous, there appears to be a worrying level of contempt for others across all road users including even pedestrians. The third comment is for you Ashley. Whilst I normally agree with much of what you say and with your educational attitude, I'm afraid I found your comment about the learner on the roundabout a little smug. He was obviously aware of the road conditions and trying to negotiate the roundabout safely. It's also important to remember that not all people have the luxury of an alternative warm car or even a bus route in order to get themselves to and from work etc
@@RichO1701e: post said "expensive", nowhere did it say it was "extensive" at all, just "complex". Why would you go through a full course that can take a couple of days, and that can cost quite a bit that you may not be able to save up, when for a fraction of both the time (noting many CBT places don't even keep you for as long as you should!) and cost (about a days' worth of earnings) you can have the same outcome...
That last click. The rider knew it too, he seen the sparkles, he new it was ice, he put his foot down off road style thinking that might help. It wont. The only thing he could have done to stay upright is to head straight on and try and get the bike stopped before it ran out of road. I have been there. Spotted ice just like this on the inside of a roundabout, there was no other traffic around, but all I did was freeze and do as little as possible, keep the bike straight, upright and try and see if I had enough grip to slow at all. Luckily the patch over covered the inner lane and I got grip in the outer lane to recover and drive off.... a lot slower for the remainder of the evening.
This clip I did feel bad for the guy (unlike the others). Seems an unfortunate occurrence due to inexperience rather than intentionally putting themself at high risk just because they treat riding like a video game.
I don't drive, but have been a motorcyclist for nearly 25 years. I take safety seriously and have been fortunate enough to have attended advanced courses with royal police protection riders and the like. I have long agreed with Ashley about the CBT. It desperately needs reform. I've completed a number of CBT courses. Some have consisted (quite literally), of no more than an hours 'training'. There is usually no element covering the highway code whatsoever. It's seen in law as not being an issue as the vehicles you are riding aren't very capable. That isn't necessarily true. The first bike I owned was a 125, capable - as standard - of about 105mph, hitting 60 in 4-5 seconds - no 17 year old has any business being on a bike like that having only completed a CBT. That same bike, albeit in a highly tuned form, holds the speed record for the engine size in Moto GP: 155mph... An impact at _half_ that speed is unlikely to be survivable.
No such thing as CBT when I got my licence, and 125's were limited to 12bhp. Could still top 70mph. But thats still more than enough to die with, when you factor in the speed of an oncoming vehicle. They need to learn patience. Don;t pass in a risky place, better opportunities will come. Look ahead. Look for pinch points, junctions, crossings, street furniture with reduced grip, tar banding, surface changes....and give yourself the time to spot things. I enjoy faster riding when the time is right, but never rush.
So that isn't allowed anymore, you probably had a two stroke 125. Nowadays it's not just the the engine displacement that's limited to 125 cc, you're also restricted to 15 hp. Might be 12.5 hp even.
I'd been on 50cc sporty mopeds for almost a year before i got my limited 125. The difference in power! I'd advocate all riders & drivers (unless disabled) start off on mopeds.
@@icouldbewrongicouldberight I disagree. 50cc scooters are so slow that it actually puts you in danger. No one wants to sit behind you at 28mph and some people WILL try and overtake at bad times and put you in danger. You're better off with a bicycle.
@@AAARREUUUGHHHH I did indeed - I still ride it now in fact. While they have always been limited by law in theory, in practice it's almost impossible to enforce - no Police Officer is going to escort a rider to a dyno to check, even if they're aware enough of the vehicle to know what it could be capable of. I don't think I've ever come across an RS125 say, that was actually restricted - and those can be, and are, still picked up and ridden by anyone with the money on just a CBT certificate.
I've seen situations like this more times than I can count living in greater London. I quite agree that the CBT isn't enough, in fact I regularly question why we allow 16-17 year olds (the lad at 6:34 can't have been much older) access to use *the* most dangerous type of road vehicle. I've been driving for just over 4 years and even at my level of experience (plus a defensive driving course I opted for) I still wouldn't feel 100% comfortable riding a motorbike. I would've disagreed at their age but but honestly think the minimum unsupervised driving/riding age should be raised to 18/19 especially in light of that tragic accident with those four boys in Wales.
Ashley, would you agree with my position that the law should be changed preventing those without a full licence working as “professional” drivers/riders? Remember, to ride on an L plate only requires a CBT, which itself only requires 2hrs on road riding. There isn’t even any need to demonstrate any knowledge of the Highway Code, besides the minimal amount necessary to scrape through a CBT.
The worst one I can remember (for the cyclist) was walking on the prom near Barkby on the north wales coast and being undertaken by a push bike when I was heading east walking less than a foot from the edge of the prom. I was trying to pass an elderly couple walking slowly in the middle of the prom. If I had moved three inches further left the cyclist would have hit me and/or ended up clattering head over heels down the embankment steps on to the sand below. Some people are just complete idiots that you cannot legislate for. Now, I am one of the few people who actively check my blind spots when changing lanes when WALKING....
I also check behind me when I change lanes whilst walking. I ride a bike and see lots of crazy riding from others on bikes, and people being unable to predict what cars and pedestrians are going to do.
That clip at about 3 minutes in. Certainly I can remember riding as a group when younger, there’s a lot of pressure to keep up with your mates and naively you take more risks to do so.
As a recent graduate of a motorcycle school, there are a few things I would change. 1. No commercial riding on a CBT. Full licence only. 2. Valid motorcycle theory test to complete a CBT. 3. Remodel the CBT. On my first CBT, I was taught to not touch the front brake, ever. Only ever rear brake. I was out with a 16 y/o on a scooter who had zero road experience. 6 hours later she could go anywhere her 50cc’s could carry her. There needs to be major reform in the content that is taught. Life savers, for a kick off. If it’s a first CBT, or a new rider with no road experience, perhaps make the CBT a multi day course. Ensure the rider meets a reasonable standard for all driving or riding conditions. Doing a figure of 8 and not falling off for 3 hours is woefully inadequate. 4. I’d make allowances greater for car licence holders. Perhaps allow 250cc, or motorway access, something like that. 5. I’d give police powers to be able revoke a CBT certificate and order a rider to retake it, or take an extended one, in order to ride again. 6. I’d mandate more protective gear than just a helmet. Jacket and gloves, minimum. 7. Make a CBT part of learning to drive a car/bus etc, or massively increase cycle and motorcycle awareness and questions when learning and testing. Let drivers know what to expect when they encounter a motorcycle. Why their lane position changes, and why it isn’t an opportunity to pass, their blind spots and how their observations work during manoeuvres. I’m sure I could create a list as long as your arm if I sat and thought all night. So many bikers display such poor skills and with the CBT does little more than teach you to stop at lights and not fall off on a car park, it’s no surprise. Motorcycle road deaths have fallen drastically but there is still so much more that could be done.
I agree with pretty much every point you make, though giving someone a 250cc machine with little or no training beyond a CBT or due to having a full car license would be problematic. There's a reason L platers are restricted to 125s on a CBT, too many folk were yeeting themselves on the old 2 stroke 250s. That said, having Learner Car drivers have 4 weeks on a 125 motorcycle would teach them how vulnerable motorcyclists are as well?
As someone who lives in a densely populated area in Asia where motorcyclists are the majority, I can tell you that the vast majority of motorcyclists (or road user, tbh) don't understand how to operate their vehicle safely, only how to go and how to stop. So many suicidal idiots who never looks or cares, and I've developed the sense to identify them, what idiotic manoeuvre they'll do, and compensate for it quietly. No, I will not beep the horn, in ny experience it just triggers a "deer in the headlights" response and now you have an unmoving idiot blocking the way and you don't always have the time or space to stop before you crash into them. Just yesterday I slowed down because I correctly deduced that this idiot will swerve in front of me without turning their head, and sadly due to my tires being dry and the road being wet (I just started my journey from an underground parking lot), my rear just slid. Thankfully I managed to control it somehow.
9:45 I wonder if this was near a fuel station. I was once almost caught out on a damp day, by a small spill of diesel by a petrol station. It's almost as slippy us pig blood clots and water - I had a summer job in an abattoir and got the job of hosing down the blood trough. Slip! Splat! Covered in blood I rode home on my motorcycle, with many a curious look from other roadusers.
In the final videot, you made mention of keeping the 2 wheels at home in bad conditions. For some people, they don't have a choice. I rode for 7 years before passing my car test. As for what happened, the rear wheel stepped out VERY early so either there was oil, black ice or that rear tyre was balder than my dads head. Given the rider had his foot out going into the corner, I think the latter was most likely.
@ResevoirGod public transport isn't always available or convenient. In my case if I was to get it to work, it would take about 2 hours each way and involve 3 different buses and thats only possible in the middle of the day. I have zero options to get to work for the start of my early shifts or to get home after the end of a late shift
That roundabout near Queensferry power station is notoriously slippy. That's still no reason to leave the 2 wheels at home though. Nothing that an off-road riding course can't sort out. I take my very heavy touring bike around that very roundabout once in a while. The wet/slippy has never bothered me.
Ashley, I would love to know your thoughts on the law. Should it be right, or should there be a law change, that delivery riders (i.e. professional riders as they are being paid) can do so legally on L plates?
Regarding CBT - I used to be a m/cycle instructor, back in the days when it was unregulated. A lad came to us - as it happened, he was my neighbour - and went through his CBT. Didn't have a motorbike so used one of our crappy MZs. He passed and applied for his test having had no further lessons with us despite it being recommended and offered. On the day of his test, he didn't have a bike so I offered him the use of our Honda 70. No, his mate has one in Burton, so off I went to work and when I got back, I went across the road to ask his dad how the test had gone. The lad had been killed on the way to the test making an overtake on a bend (Derby Road, Burton, for those from the area). CBT just means you can lawfully take lessons. The rules may have changed since, this was 1990. I didn't stay with that company long, they were run on a shoestring from a pub and it wasn't the way I do things.
Passed my test in September and I've always dreaded motorway driving! Its not something you have to learn for the test so its always been intimidating to me! I took my parents to the airport last week and I tried to avoid the motorway at all costs, on the drive back home! 😂Long story short.. I couldn't.. the SATNAV had other plans for me! Before I knew it I was merging on the motorway with full confidence and.. it was completely fine and okey! I didn't make one mistake and I had a good drive back! Thanks for making these videos Ash, as it really does help drivers of all experience.. Including novice drivers like myself! New drivers who have passed their test haven't usually driven on the motorway so we find this great wisdom and knowledge extremely helpful! Please make more motorway videos on how to properly navigate the motorway; for people of all experience levels, novices and veterans because it helps everyone! Thanks for all that you do Ash! 💪 Edit: When your not feeling confident, remember its a state of mind that you can and will overcome! That goes for everything in life! 😌
Motorway driving should form part of driving lessons and part of the test. Even if it were a two part test, pass first and then within six month motorway part must be taken to gain full licence, with documented professional training, not a mate's mum, who has little clue how to safely drive. OP, I would strongly suggest that you take some some motorway driving lessons. It would be money well spent.
2:55 is exactly why I avoid going on group rides. "Leaders" riding too fast for less experienced bikers, and those trailing riding even faster to try and keep up
(5:00>) J21 south bound on the M1 is a non-intuitive junction and the lanes swap direction served all the way around and without warning, especially when congested as the markings can be obscured which can be confusing, as there are 4 lanes around the roundabout. I know this junction very well and I have to be extra alert as to which lane I am in as you can enter one lane showing your intended direction only for it to suddenly change to an alternate direction. The bikers were clearly keeping to the LH lane of the two lanes turning right onto the M69 but then found that the RH lane was the one to use to return to the northbound M1. There are 4 lanes around this roundabout and 3 of them are signed for M69 but only two lanes are available onto the M69 - such is the appalling road marking. As the cammer was going to use the M69 he was in the wrong lane and should have been in the immediate left lane. IMO given that the bikers were clearly unfamiliar with the roundabout they equited themselves very well. The scooter rider was unfortunate (9:30), the road was wet but that should not have accounted for the drop. it would not surprise me if there was a diesel spillage on the roundabout, which is all too common and absolutely lethal to any biker at any time. Riding in the conditions shown with the care exhibited should result in safe passage but not when some ******* has dropped diesel to create an artificial skating rink!!!!! You will realise that most of the incidents shown here are with 'L' plated riders, who only take very limited training (1hr) before venturing out on the road for maybe months before they then take some tuition and a test (if at all). There is currently a consultation in hand with proposals to overhaul the current system for the better. It should also be noted that the majority of the 'L' plated bikes appear to be ridden by youths, who without adult supervision are likely to 'explore' what they can do on the road. There needs to be a system where CBT riders can only be allowed on the roads with an approved instructor. Note also the number of riders with delivery boxes on the back - they will under a time penalty for the delivery, which generates risk taking..
At around 2:33, excellent anticipation by the cam car re a pedestrian using the crossing from right to left in-between stationary cars in very close proximity. I would have been on very high alert indeed for exactly this situation and drop my speed right down and change down to second gear on approach. Well done cammer! The oncoming drivers would have done better to leave the crossing clearer than they did, giving oncoming vehicles a wider sight line for exactly this reason. Indeed the white van that stopped just short of the crossing would have done well to also leave the side street clear whilst waiting.
That junction is a nightmare and quite a few drivers will use the lane 1 exit despite there being two lanes and most days the matrix signs are flashing at 40. Not helped by services being a short distance behind and those coming out of the services wanting lane 2 or beyond. It really is a bad design. Anyway, this is a prime example of why I don’t overtake and always try to have a staggered formation going round roundabouts
@@smilerbob I'm wondering whether your well written reply was intended for another clip / comment? My original comment was for the zebra crossing scenario at 2:33.
@@ibs5080 Indeed it was and my mistake. I think I must’ve clicked on the wrong reply button. The reply was intended for the M1 / M69 clip I must be in need of more coffee or less work
@@ibs5080 And it was good anticipation from the cammer and one reason I wont drive at the speed limit when there is traffic on the opposite carriageway. You never know what will emerge between the vehicles 👍
@@smilerbob No problem at all Bob. I gathered from the context that yours was a motorway related comment. Perhaps I've now regained my observational skills.
All cliches there: "Meat in the sandwich" "Near side, offside, suicide". "If you come off you a dead cow's skin ripped off, not a live human's". I also have to say that I do not think it should be lawful for a person to ride or drive a vehicle for reward if they do not have a full licence to do so - whether you drive a lorry for Eddie Stobart or ride a moped for a pizza parlour.
At 9:36 (title photo) that is not inevitable, it is because the rider used the rear brake improperly. It is so easy to use the rear wrongly I think they should change learner training. Rear braking on corners is dangerous. So is front braking. But if you have to brake then best front, at least you will low side with front skid, and not get flipped off like a catapult.
As a former motorcyclist, I find today's riding standards a just awful. I've done my fair share of cutting through traffic commuting into big cities from nearby towns (into Liverpool, Edinburgh or Glasgow mostly) but the gaps I used to take were much bigger, and the traffic was moving a lot more slowly if I was filtering. On urban dual carriageways I would filter between the lanes, but only slightly faster than the other traffic. One time in Liverpool I noticed I was being followed by a Police bike doing the same, so I pulled into the nearside lane, but as he passed me he lifted his helmet front, nodded up the road at me, and told me "come 'head, la". Proper scouser cop! 😆
The cbt is 100% not a enough. My instructor was a absolute bully on my first cbt I was a absolute wreck on the roads and a danger. He still signed me off but said he think I was going to kill myself on the roads. I had my first crash a couple of weeks after that due to misjudging speed into a tight corner and target fixation. I then had to take my training into my own hands, yes I could legally ride a vehicle up to 125cc that could go 60mph on any roads apart from motorways, but I knew in myself I was not a safe rider. I practised slow speed control, practised proper observations and used loads of videos on riding safely. I no longer ride but it's made me a much better driver becuase I realised driving is a skill like any sport or hobby and that only via proper targeted practise due you improve you wouldn't go and play golf and expect on day 1 to play under par and hit a straight long drive, it requirestime, effort and anylsis to improve. I just think it's mad you can ride a motorbike after one day of a morning of slow speed control and then 2 hours* ( a time that many companies never seem to meet), a bit of theory and off you go.
My CBT teacher was a condescending asshole. I was nervous so I struggled with some basic questions I usually wouldn't sweat with. He was very sarcastic and rude in his responses.
Last situation is pure bad luck. We can go for winter tyres to our bikes. And outside big cities - no public transport provided to work in early/late hours, so people sometimes risking on bikes with this weather. At least - lightweight scooter is smallest penalty when trip off on ice. Keep safe!
At around 8:42 with the motorcyclist squeezing by, inbetween lanes 2 and 3 at high speed. Let me guess "But I'm lane splitting and that's legal"! I'm always very wary of this practice, even when traffic is free flowing. It's a reason why I always check my nearside before moving back in to the left and always signal such a manoeuvre, letting my indicators flash a minimum of three times before commencing my manoeuvre. Motorcyclists like the one in this clip will likely have their luck run out sooner or later.
That was my clip. The oncoming lead car also slowed and pulled left into their verge to make space. Astonishingly lucky escape. Thanks for including the clip, Ashley... always great videos and something to learn from. 👍
the CBT is good for what it is, but the problem is its cheaper than getting a full licence for car or motorbike. you can get a cbt, ride for 2 years and then do another one which for delivery riders, thats all they need to ride a small cc bike through town or city. the intention of the CBT is that once passed, riders would then go on to take lessons in that 2 year period and that is all good and fine if you use things as intended, but there are people out there that will see it as a loop hole and use it for different reason. i remember reading in MCN (motorcycle news) back when these test centres were getting built because the EU picked a speed limit for part of the test and because the UK is in MPH it worked out to be 32mph so we couldnt do it on public roads so all these test centres were built. they mentioned that because the cost of the licence had gone up because of these test centres, lots of riders were just renewing their CBT every 2 years. a change to the CBT could be that you need so many lessons with an instructor before allowed out on your own. for those doing delivery riding, the law should be changed that you cant deliver on L plates. it wont stop the delivery riders from doing silly and stupid overtakes but it would reduce the amount of them and possibly change some of their minds to think twice before taking risks.
100%, CBT is just a 1 day course..., How is that enough to know road signs, aswell as proper control and awareness riding the bike and OF the bike. Lucky for me I use to do motocross and was more than capable of controlling a bike and knowing how it handles on different terrains and conditions, BUT road signs was a big learning curve for me plus the 1 thing i ALMOST failed my CBT was not doing lifesaver checks.., after a thorough.., intense..., verbal talk over the ear speaker from my tutor.., I have taken my lifesaver checks with me even into my car, I can say i passed my driving test back in 2012 with only 4 minors and a well done with my attention to thorough checking. But even until this day, Ashley, you show me even more that i need to add to my arsenal on the roads of today.
The clip at around 6:38 with the two wheeler turning left from a side street without even looking. This is also not uncommon amongst cyclists, possibly because they think that since they will be riding near the curb edge, they don't need to bother to check! I wonder whether this rider was used to doing that as a cyclist and has continued the habit.
I am a motorcyclist I did it the DAS route. I would be in support of CBT being a two-day (weekend) course where Saturday is the same as current CBT and the Sunday is wholly dedicated to more roadcraft. I also think that a condition of all driving licenses should be like CPD (Continued Professional Development) is to Engineers in that you must take a two-hour refresher training session for that vehicle class every year. I would make it on all licenses for vehicles not just motorcycles.
In defence of the CBT, it gives an option to people who would find other ways of getting on the road too expensive. They have L plates, so other road users with full licences should look after them
It's quite difficult to look after completely unpredictable and irrational behaviour/riding. Yes, I know the good old saying "expect the unexpected", but if you have to apply that universally because some CBT L-plate rider could do something outlandish (which we know they do) you could only crawl along at 15mph everywhere.
I agree about some of the motorcyclists not looking ,no excuse , but in 52 years of motorcycling a lot of car drivers don’t either. It’s just bad observation ( lack off ) luckily being taught by the police college at Hendon , we where taught by walking the Streets for a hour every Sunday morning of a 3 hour course , looking at hazards , under cars ( peoples feet etc moving , people moving n stationary cars moving their head and reaching out to open the door into coming traffic without looking) we even had to go out without mirrors ( which isn’t unlawful still ) and observe everything by turning our heads all the time , taught me a lot . But I agree there are some idiots on the road especially learner motorcyclists doing delivery jobs , breaking speeding laws , weaving in between vechiles with no thought of other road users . I wonder if their employees would back them up in a crash ( I don’t think so ) the practice of employing them should be made illegal. Ps great vlogs 😊😊👍😂
5:50 honestly compared to other clips in these video i think those two are fine. yep, if not for how aware/helpful the cammer was, they wouldn't get where they wanted to. but given they took quite a bit of time to establish the lane changes were safe, i think they'd just take a different exit if the roundabout was too busy, and turn around somewhere
I've been a biker for 52 years, and wouldn't have survived this long by riding like these examples. In my experience, the fast food delivery riders are the worst, buzzing around like flies. Most of the ones I see ride with total disregard for any other road user, and total ignorance of the rules which are supposed to keep us all safe. I don't suppose many, if any, of them intend to take a driving test, and they would be unlikely to pass if they did. That's my rant over.
Just found your videos. I love this. I am not an experienced rider, but your clips do show me that I am safer on my Fireblade than a lot of these other maniacs.
The biggest problem here has been overlooked - vehicles stopping on a zebra crossing like that is against the highway code!it's unacceptable and ive been hit whilst crossing on a zebra crossing due to someone proceeding to creep forward to block the crossing like that blue car (around 2:30 in this video). Drivers like this and also the van behind (which is also stopped on the zebra crossing) are selfish and their actions massively reduce visibility and drastically increase risk. There should be punishment for this - points would soon start deterring actions like this.
That last clip i can easily say he had bold tires because with the lack of speed they where doing they shouldn't have slipped. ive been caught out in a thunder storms and never had a problem with at least 1.3mm tread remaining
As someone currently riding my motorbike with L plates (Doing my DAS once budget allows!), I fully agree that a CBT is not enough ESPECIALLY for being able to do commerical delivery riding, any business use should require a full licence no question about it. In terms of general road use I also feel like there needs to be more on the road elements before being allowed to ride with L-plates.. I'm only as confident as I am riding because I've had a full car licence and been driving a car for many years. There is such a large discrepancy with how much a learner motorcyclist learns about the road vs a car learner
I don’t think the CBT was ever intended for hire and reward. I can’t think of another vehicle a novice on L plates can drive professional and get paid for that driving. They don’t even have to pass the driving theory test. They all seem clueless of the danger they put themselves in. The clues in the Name Basic Training is not adequate for hire and reward environment. My bother recently did the CBT and there were 2 food delivery riders on their own bikes doing it as their Current CBT was due to expire. They both didn’t complete. One went through a zebra crossing in use and the other hit a curb doing a crazy undertaking . So their day was cancelled. You can’t really fail it but you can not reach the required standard. I think all food riders should have a full licence for there vehicle. No L plates. I can’t understand how they afford the insurance as a Lerner to have multi drop business insurance. Must cost over a grand.
At around 4:55, excellent multiple observations and learning points regarding the two "together" motorcyclists that exited the motorway via the left hand lane of the slip road.
CBT was intended as part of the route to full licence, however seen by many as the easy option and repeatable every two years, entitling them to stay on the road indefinitely. The result is often skills dilution and depending on the initial training body standards, those base skills can vary dramatically. The recent proposals for change should hopefully address some of the licensing shortfalls.
the CBT is a good course, as long as 2 things are done: 1: its done properly by a good school (but too many arent:( ) and 2: keep in mind its a BASIC training course to allow you to begin to learn its not supposed to be a "do this and off you go have fun" but that is, unfortunately, how it's being treated. completely agree, as someone who's worked commercially with only a cbt, that a cbt isn't enough to be able to work commercially. should need to have passed a test for this!
The bike CBT isn't enough and all of these Deliveroo scooters prove it, how they've passed their theory is amazing. They're a plague on our roads. Bike filterers also think filtering means you can do it at any given time which is just plain daft 😮💨 they have no self preservation awareness. Love seeing the fools filter at a junction when there's a car making a legal turn and they act like it's the car's fault 🤦♂
I completely agree that CBTs aren't enough. I know it is literally basic training but it isn't enough to put someone on the road. I currently ride a 125cc on a CBT and have done for a few months and I still encounter and learn new things, things that aren't taught or even mentioned on a CBT. I will do my full A license and then advanced courses though, just trying to be as safe as possible.
I find it strange that people put their lives in danger for a 2 minute advantage so they can then sit in from of the TV. Delivery mopeds could easily be sorted if the companies that employ them are held accountable.
For those who don't use adblockers, imagine the time it takes to play an advert at the beginning of a YT video - that is the advantage some people will throw their life away for. Then imagine a button that says . Sometimes, death by foolishness is that facile.
I had an advanced driving certificate and 6 years of driving experience when I got my first 125cc bike. I had to dip into all my knowledge and experience to stay safe while riding. Just thinking of 17 year olds with only half a day of road experience going out there and bombing down country roads at 60mph scares the crap out of me. Also, the importance of wearing gear is not stressed enough. A helmet won't help you much when you sand the rest of your body down to the bone.
I agree with you regarding the CBT. Its simply not enough training to throw a vulnerable road user straight onto the road. I also think provisional drivers should not be allowed to use a vehicle for work. I did my bike test back in 1998 when a cbt lasted 2 years only and you had to have 12 months clear before you could do it again to encourage riders to do the full test. It encouraged riders to invest in themselves rather than just keep doing a cbt with no to little extra training.
I ride in all weathers, always have. With experience 'wet' roads are perfectly safe. Especially on a low powered scooter like the one in the last clip. Smoothness is the key. The kid who fell off was either very inexperienced, or just heavy handed. Looks like he braked hard with the rear and didn't know what to do when it started to swap ends. Most of the other clips are classic impatience and poor judgement, mixed with the current trend for idiocy. The L plate brigade on their twist and go delivery bikes have started to copy hte bad behaviour of certain cyclists with regard to lanes, traffic islands, and common sense. It's down to training and enforcement. I have to deal with London traffic, with all the joys that holds, and I would give most of those riders about a week to live on my daily commute.
I agree. The trailing foot is a big teller for inexperienced* riders; it seldom improves anything as it compromises your ability to balance the bike and does nothing to keep the bike up if it starts to slide (and makes a broken ankle way more likely). *I exclude speedway from this, given they have the merest nub of a left footpeg and appropriate boots.
As a 40yr old, full licence holder, 4yrs, I totally agree, the CBT is not enough training. And it should not be enough of a qualification to gain a delivery job. At all. The full licence training, MOD1 & MOD2 testing are more than enough.
Ooo Pensnnett Road Dudley Shown on here by The T Wall Ford Garage know that road very well it's the main road from Russells Hall Hospital to Kingswinford. Keep up the good work Ashley! Love these videos
As someone who is an L plate rider I can assure you it's not the training that is an issue. You're essentially learning while on the road. The 2 riders on the roundabout made a mistake but were riding fairly responsibly for the most part although it is worrying that they're not even L plate riders and doing that. It's peoples complete ignorance of the rules and of life i believe are more of an issue. A lot of riding and driving is just common sense and patience. There's also a big discrepancy between scooter riders and geared bike riders. Like other people have mentioned the majority of moped delivery drivers do some insane stuff. I don't like to say it but the majority of them are foreign too which probably explains the ignorance to the rules part. Definitely doesn't help that they're paid by the delivery so it literally pays to go faster.
Having passed my test, I waited on advisement to take my Gold Star Test after having one year on the road, I went on to work for Federal Express as a dispatch rider even had experience in moving medical packages under escort, I tell you this for context, these examples go against anything I was taught as a bike rider, let alone as a motorcycle rider. The first lesson whilst taking my Cycling Proficiency Test was "Do not become a casualty" and pretty much the same when instructed as Part 1 of my M/C test again under Gold Star Training. I really think they should bring back those scary videos of people getting hit and what the Police have to deal with after a Vehicular Fatality.
I agree, the CBT is not enough, think how many hours you spent learning to drive compared with a single day before you're let loose on an L plate. I'm a motorcyclist and I despair when I see people risking their lives on L plates. Also I think full protection and not just a helmet should be made law.
I think the CBT is fine because of the restrictions it puts on you, other road users should see the L plate and give appropriate space and expect mistakes. I do however believe you shouldn’t be allowed to have any business use without a full license.
Agree with what you're saying, but usually those ain't mistakes, and rather bad habits. Of all the road users I find scooter riders (especially food delivery) the most unpredictable.
Best skill a biker can pick up for being safe in traffic is to be predictable - even if all else fails, at least other users can react as necessary. Every time a biker suddenly appears in clips like these, the drivers have near zero chance to bail them out when they inevitably come a-cropper.
The problems are the lack of enforcement for those poor riders and being paid for the number of trips they can do in a day. A 1/3 of those clips are from me, pretty happy, thanks Ashley. But that shows how much I have to be aware and tolerate during my driving.
Delivery scooters don't get the 'Biker Nod' and so I'm a bit resentful over their inclusion in a motorcycle compilation. I also agree that the CBT isn't really enough.
I agree that the cpt isn't enough, when I was 16 I did one. One other person did it at the same time as me and somehow got lost following the instructor, he also went on the wrong side of the road at a T junction when it was his independent riding. Somehow they still passed him.
Our motorcycle training and licensing system is ridiculous. If you look at the flow charts you find that the following are factors: Engine capacity, engine power and power derivation, speed range, number of wheels, power to weight ratio, rider age (16,17, 19, 21 or 24), years riding and licence held (one of four types). Then take into account you can ride commercially with no experience whatsoever and a provisional licence. You can also whizz about privately without any training. Is it a surprise that we have so many accidents and injuries. Then the “road safety” experts from the government, quangos and busybodies shout “something must be done” and they try to impose draconian measures to curtail motorcycle usage to prevent further accidents. The basic problem is fundamentally how we train, test and licence riders. It is a legacy from the EU and our civil servants are not up to the job. I doubt if anything will change except for even more pointless restrictions being imposed.
the worst one i've experienced was a narrow gap ahead space for two cars and 2 inchs of space, i was basically wheels to kurb to allow the oncoming cars to come through the gap, scooter behind me just as I moved to the left ( as i did slow down) tried to undertake, nearly went into the back of me, then quickly switched to the right and nearly got flattened by an oncoming van... then gave me a glance when he could pass (on my inside further up the road) like i was the problem... they honestly have death wishes and do themselves no favors.
There's a lot of misconceptions about the CBT (not having a dig at Ashley here). It isn't a test so strictly speaking you can't "pass" or "fail" it, but it also isn't guaranteed that you'll be issued a CBT at the end of the day. It's an assessment, and the instructor can refuse to issue a CBT if someone hasn't sufficiently demonstrated what they need to. That happened to one of the people doing their CBT on the same day as me, and at the start of the day the instructors mentioned that they usually have at least once case a month where they will refuse to issue a CBT. Of course it's going to be down to the riding school doing the training, so I obviously can't make a blanket statement about every single instructor qualified to issue a CBT... But the point is that it is entirely possible to effectively "fail" a CBT. The CBT could certainly be made more stringent. I sure as hell don't feel like the CBT properly prepared me for riding on public roads - I rode on a CBT for about 9 months, and by the time I came to do big boy bike lessons I had to un-learn so many bad habits. I do think that you should have more than just a CBT if you're going to be earning money from riding - i.e. doing deliveries. The risk there however is that delivery riders who now can't use a moped will turn to illegal, or illegally modified, e-bikes instead.
There has to be an issue with a conflict of interest with the same organisation doing the training deciding whether to issue the CBT or not. If a place is strict about the issuing of CBT's then word gets round and they lose business. If however they don't care and issue them to anybody no matter how incompetent, they get known for that and get more business! Seems a slightly broken system. Or it wouldn't be if CBT's were actually used how they are intended - an initial basic bit of training for you to then go and get the skills and practice to pass the proper test - not riding indefinitely on L plates!
With it said that the CBT isn't enough, it's likely that a lot of those witnessed behaving poorly haven't undertaken one themselves. When I first learnt to ride and did my CBT it did feel like enough to get me going, what happens after that is up to the rider. The rest of us suffer as a result of increased scrutiny (which comes with cost) that might prohibit those who wish to legitimately learn, what follows is simply more untrained and inexperienced riders taking the spotlight. My instructors were excellent and treated us all as individuals and picked us up on our failings and weeknesses. Perhaps now its more of an assault course challenge it's less focused on tailoring early tuition and simply pushing out the numbers.
Yeah, i agree. The CBT level is not the problem here - the people riding are. And ultimately the complete absence of accountability for the way they ride. If there are, de-facto, no rules, then people will just do what they like.
I passed my driving test at 17 (second time) and passed a CBT at 18, I used a pedal bike, 125cc motorbike and car between ages 18 - 21 (I'm a very inexperienced pedestrian 😂), and at 21 (around 1998) I passed my full bike licence (On the direct access scheme). I wasn't trained well enough on my CBT to be considered safe on the road at 60mph, the CBT requires much more detailed training and should restrict ALL people to a maximum speed of 30 mph (regardless of age and other licences). I'm not sure of the current training/assessment for CBT instructors, but this seemed none existent when I passed my CBT. A CBT should not be sufficient to drive commercially, and these 'professional' drivers should be forced to invest in a full licence (or restricted full licence).
The clip immediately following the intro, from around 0:40 onwards must be in Holland. Well the yellow Dutch plates obviously give it away but also the dotted lines for the shoulders on either side as well as the general look of the river and flat countryside all contribute to a Dutch look. Have to say, that scooter rider was crazy.
Some other motorcycle channel (forgot the name) reviews clips of accidents and one of his warning signals to look for is "open lane pattern". If there is free space in the lane, someone will want to use it and change lanes. Usually for multi-lane roads but applies here, too. It is obvious that the cyclist will return to a better position away from the door zone after the car passes...
yep, those dotted lines and red bits of tarmac are not actually cycle lanes per se or a shoulder. It's done to make the road look narrower as a traffic calming measure. The oncoming grey Peugeot should have been much further over to their side, fully using the red area of tarmac. Still, no excuse for the nasty moped pass, looks to be de-restricted too as it seemed way faster than 25kph.
At around 2:47, I felt the cam car accelerated very briskly and to a speed that was less than prudent. Not excusing the oncoming group of riders, some of whom were right on the centre line etc but I feel the cam car could have taken the pace easier given the road.
They might have had vehicles approaching from behind and needed to get up to speed without causing problems. But agreed, once speed was up to a sufficiently safe speed they could’ve eased off a little with traffic coming but then again, who expects a group of riders to pull a daft series of overtakes? 🤷🏻♂️
@smilerbob is correct - there is a significant lights-controlled junction just behind where I had pulled in (item loose in the boot)... But you have a fair point @ibs5080. Noted and thank you - we always have something to learn from each experience. My main take-away was that in prime biker country and on biker roads it is hazardous to be the lead car with a large gap ahead of you. I rechecked the original clip from my dash-cam and the highest recorded speed before hitting the brakes was 59mph on the national limit section of that road. The dashcam overlay is cropped from the published clip Thanks for including my clip @ashley_neal. Great videos as always...
@@SDJSound Thank You for your additional insight as well as sending in your clip. I admire you for that. You raise a very good point that I often consider. Namely that there is a certain risk in being the lead car with a very large gap in front of you. Of course, one wants to keep a safe and sufficient distance to the vehicle in front. No question. But when that gap is particularly large, it tempts others to do things in front of you they may not otherwise do.
I live in the same town as the last clip. Those two roundabouts are very tight, and often slippery. Got to take them with more caution than that rider on two wheels.
I did my CBT at 16, just a day long course, dead easy. Yet learning to drive, it took 2 years of lessons and 2 attempts to pass. Have no idea how anyone is expected to learn the roads as a 16 year old in just one day.
Well, you can get an e-bike and go on the roads with no training at all and no licence. The CBT teaches you how to ride a bike, not every law of the road.
I'm not from the UK but my gf has roots there and watches a lot of British TV. We watched a lot of 24 Hours in AE and Emergency Helicopter Medics. The first thing I learned from these as a driver is that driving a Motorbike is very dangerous. But looking at these clips, I start thinking of these people just increasing risk for everyone involved and them being less protected at higher volocities on the road just happen to be those who get the most seriously wounded. Granted most accidents shown in those episodes were not necessarily them driving poorly but I wouldn't necessarily agree to put myself out there, if I were to drive like these poor road users... Just drive save and reduce risks. If you ever want to know why, watch a few episodes of 24hrs or EHM. You will learn soon enough if you still have a heart.
Hey Ashley, Thanks for the videos. Always instructive. May I make a suggestion? My wife works with young people with disabilities. She recently found the Association of Disability Driving Instructors whilst researching an information sheet on getting around. None of the young people had ever heard of it. Would you consider talking about it in a video. I hope there would be more people than just me who would be interested in your view.
I find there's 2 kinds of learner riders. Those who are genuinely learning before moving onto a big bike. And those who have no intention of learning or getting a full license.
"didn't expect a car to come" The CBT teaches to ALWAYS be on the lookout for other vehicles and doubley so on junctions. Ashley was right that they did not even look either way before emerging from the junction. Bite point is one thing, but he was rolling and didnt even attempt to stop at the give way, or look.
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I don't think you should be allowed to drive commercially without a licence. The number of deathwish pizza drivers and uber eats I have to react to save the lives of each week is shocking. The added pressure of a boss demanding you get somewhere on time is not conducive to a calm learning environment.
Definitely agree. I think you should have to have a license for cycling commercially as well (ie deliveroo, just eat, etc).
My local take away in Walthamstow had five riders. A police investigation found they had two licences between them which they were sharing. Two of them weren't even allowed to work in Britain.
Takeaway delivery riders. They’re White Van Man’s demonic little brothers 🤣
I can't remember what the legal responsibilities of the companies are, but I have a niggling feeling that 'gig economy' excuses prevail. Both company and rider should be licenced - and have liability.
I agree. If you wish to work you need to have passed a test for the vehicle you intend to use. This means you will have had proper training with a proper instructor on the roads. Motorcycle instructors are a pretty good bunch in the UK and demand high standards which him turn will make better riders.
I’ve been on a motorcycle for about 4 months. Excluding one time, every issue I’ve ever had has been mopeds on L plates with delivery boxes on the back. They shouldn’t be allowed to do commercial jobs without a full license
Even then they’d share one license between 5
Completely agree. And the companies using them shouldn't be allowed to hire without seeing a full licence.
having a different license wouldnt help, theyll still ride incorrectly.
In Bristol we are plagued by scooter riders, usually with L plates, who are delivering fast food. They speed, weave in and out of traffic without warning, wrong side bollards and regularly ignore red traffic signals and signs prohibiting manoeuvres. But, of course, we've effectively given up on road policing.
Pedestrian areas such as Corn Street and Small Street have a high number of junkfood and "restaurant" establishments using these junk food delivery companies. They have no regard for road signs showing no motor vehicles because they have no education to read the signs and understand where they are allowed. They often ride without the skills to slow down and force pedestrians out of the way. It isn't for anyone to police their road use any more than a car driver but for them to pass a higher level of skill beyond the CBT. It is their responsibility not mine or anyone else. Deliveroo and their clones need to do more to use skilled riders but it is the rider who is at fault for riding the way they do. The enforcement through cameras would be helpful but would fall foul of the angry daily mail brigade sadly. Riders are responsible for their own actions though, and you can't always force people to do things the way others want.
My city's delivery drivers have moved onto fully propelled electric bicycles that require no pedalling, which are possibly worse as they bear no registration and riders can get away without even having a provisional licence.
@@christopherjohnson3755 Are those legal now?
@TheMarkRich how is a camera going to fine someone who isn't the registered owner of the scooter they are using?
@@hoagy_ytfc don't think so
A motorbike can be a safe mode of transport, but it does depend on the nut holding the handlebar.
Absolutely. The car centric view the roads belong to them is wrong. However, car drivers lack the observational skills of full licence bike riders. It is essential to upgrade riders skills after passing the test. The CBT needs extensive changes though to show a level of skill greater than offered currently. Many CBT riders are young and used to pedal cycles.
@@TheMarkRich agreed, passing my full bike licence made me a much better/safer car driver.
Actually, bikes are vulnerable, and there are some situations you cannot control (e.g. hidden oil slicks on the road) which can catch you out however good you are. One of the reasons I eventually quit while I was ahead (after owning 4 bikes)...
@@hippophile
Agreed, oil slicks can be a hazard. Thankfully, in my fifty years of riding ‘one motorbike, a 1970 BSA Thunderbolt’ I've only come off once.🙏
I still have my much-loved BSA, I'm now just a fair-weather rider. 👍
Congratulations, you must be a very good rider! I came off three times, Once when a passenger opened a door in my face as I was passing (legally) in the left filter lane, once on an oil slick just after a corner left by a bus probably, once on ice (my fault really). I also hit an oil slick riding down Park Lane in heavy traffic, but just wobbled a lot, thankfully. Impossible to see that one coming. @@gk2811
In 1984 I caused an accident ‘during my driving test’ and still passed.
In the city just under 30MPH and I had a young idiot on a moped tail gating me [he was riding about 4 ft away from my rear bumper I couldn’t even see his headlight he was so close,]
As I came around a sharp blind bend there were cars parked on both sides so the road narrowed, cars were coming the opposite way so I had to give way at short notice within a short distance, I quickly looked in my mirror and signalled and pulled in to a gap between the parked cars on the left to give way.
To which the moped behind swerved left behind me to avoid hitting me from the rear as I braked, he hit the kerb head on, went over the handle bars onto the footpath, I looked left out of the passenger side window to see him and the moped landing in a tangled heap in a shop doorway.
The driving examiner completely ignored this… he sat there in the passenger seat staring straight ahead and refused to look left at the guy lying on the floor.
The Traffic cleared, I looked, signalled, and pulled out and continued on and passed my test.
Wow. Did he not even mention it when he told you you'd passed, just to affirm that you had done everything correctly?
You were part of the circumstances of the accident, but the causes were the motorcyclist's tailgating and poor anticipation.
@@ChrisBrown-px1oy
Yep he completely ignored it as if it didn’t happen,
I presume he thought that I was a good driver, did everything correctly as far as the test was concerned, and didn’t want some idiot ruining my test for me, 🤔
@@robg521 I knew someone who passed despite reversing into some dustbins, but that story had a context. It was the first test his examiner conducted after returning from a suspension imposed for failing absolutely everybody - including two IAM drivers sent as mystery shoppers!
She just looked at Ken and said "That wasn't very clever, was it?". Knowing her reputation, he said "No".
@@ChrisBrown-px1oylove it
Sounds like it was the Moped riders fault though, good examiner probably didn't mention it as it'd get you flustered and then maybe fail, examiners are usually really switched on to crap happening on the roads.
Be very cautious of riders in convoy…while most are sensible there are those that will see an open road and see an opportunity to open the throttle. Those behind then feel compelled to keep up with them and might take even bigger risks than the first rider
And if you are in convoy on two wheels, keep an eye out for those that have only seen the lead rider and don’t see anyone behind them. I have seen a few near misses where that has happened
I've said it a few times on my videos, 'Sheeping It'. One person makes the decision to go, so they all go. Cars on roundabouts for example, the car to the right has gone, so they go, only to discover they're not quick enough to clear oncoming traffic.
@@DashCamSheffield Sheeping It, I like that one 👍
Just don't ride with people that have no concern for those behind them. If the group loses you thats on them, not on you.
Riding as a pair or even a threesome is usually ok. The problem get worse the larger the group. If your tail end of a dozen then you often feel pressured to keep up.
The lights change, a car turns in , the road changes so the straight the leader had on to pass now becomes a blind bend for you as tail end Charlie.
The trail breaker rider must ride at 80% of the worst rider in the packs ability or its a shit show.
If it turns into a race or the leader is pushing the performance of a bike or more usually the rider bad things will happen.
You as a part of the group must, must, must ride for your self within your and your bikes capability. Not be afraid to wave goodbye and I'll see you tomorrow.
Its one of the reasons I don't ride as part of a group. I might ride with a mate, particularly if I don't know the route. But I'm too fond of my skin to be pushing the envelop to keep up with a group riding.
Riding in a group is generally a terrible idea in my opinion, particularly for fair weather riders who only appear in convoy on sunny days to play RTC roulette.
Unless you get a properly sensible and measured group of people, there are always some pushing themselves to keep up.
The common etiquette is for less slower/less experienced riders to lead and set the pace, but this also relies on them being assured that no one behind is in a rush so they should go at their pace and make good decisions, otherwise hubris again arises and they push beyond their comfort and skill level.
Nothing inherently or necessarily wrong with a group, or indeed a twist of throttle, but a safe overtake for one rider quickly becomes a thoroughly lethal overtake for the 4th/5th rider etc to follow.
I've been riding since 1976 and this footage is shocking. Just one point Ash. They are now called butterfly's as they come out in the summer all nice and shiny but die off in the winter 😢😢
Many times I get asked to go on Rideout's with other bikers, But I just think it adds pressure to go fast and take unnecessary risks so I go on my own and meet them at the destination.
I had a work colleague who described his Sunday morning ride outs with the lads on their sports bikes. He said he spent the entire time at the back , pulling lethal overtakes just to keep up and almost with his eyes closed. Terrified the whole time. I didn’t call him a stupid cnt to his face but certainly thought it. Pathetic beta males who’d rather die or be paralysed than have the piss taken for arriving thirty seconds after the ‘Big Boys’.
I’ve done 99% of my 40 years on two wheels, riding alone. I’m the boss, I can stop where I want, pick the route I want and go as fast as I feel like going
My dad said he did one of those with some fellas, but ended up being left for dust. I'm glad he didn't try doing anything stupid though, as he has had an accident before (he stopped whilst me and my brother were kids as a result) and knows the potential for a lethal accident.
@@highdownmartin Absolutely spot on! Totally fail to understand it myself when 99% of the attraction to me is simply to be on my own, going where I want at my own pace!
@@jimmybloggs3029 do you want to meet for a ride sometime?
Only joking, have fun stay safe
@@highdownmartin I'll nod when I see you, never worry! ;)
This is the thing I can never really work out. I think there's a need in our society for a cheap, accessible, form of motorised transport, so someone at 16 can go out and get themselves to a job, apprenticeship, college. If we didn't have a cheap and easy way of getting on a 50cc, then would these same people just have an unregistered bike and no training? Or an e-bike and no training? To my mind, riding a restricted twist and go is no more difficult or dangerous than riding a pushbike, and I did some stupid things on my mountain bike at that age. I do think that a lot of the problem with scooter riders comes from them having basic training, then using the bike commercially for deliveries. Lack of training and experience, then add in a pressure to deliver in a time limit and do more deliveries to make more money.....
The gig economy also involves community carers. These are people on bikes, e bikes, e scooters and scooters who have to go between elderly peoples homes for 15-30 minutes worth of pay, who sometimes have 20+ appointments in the day and don't get paid for travel between them.
It's an incredibly stressful job, because messing up can cause serious harm to the people you have a duty of care towards, and you are often abused all day long by those same people who should be in mental health care homes but the councils don't do it anymore due to funding.
I love that there's now a 2nd motorcycle special. Perhaps the start of a new series? Already love the nice driving and driving fail series, as well as the cycling series, learning points, all of it. Ashley, mate, your content is an underrated gem. Your videos make me a better rider and others better drivers and I bloody well mean that. You questioned whether the CBT is enough, and I genuinely don't think it is. Having done all the provisional stuff in the UK, and then again in Ireland for my full Cat A Irish licence, the IBT (Initial Basic Training) over here is FAR more comprehensive than the CBT, with more focus on 1:1 riding over the course of 2-3 days, not just an afternoon.The CBT just doesn't even compare.
That last one was quite impressive, I don't think I've ever seen anyone highside at that speed before.
He put his back brakes on in the roundabout.
I don't agree that motorcyclists should just not ride if it's raining.
You will get caught in the rain, and need to be able to ride in it.
The road itself isn't actually that slippery.
It's things like manhole covers, white lines, bit of oil, etc. that make it a lot worse.
I think on some of the biker channels you'll be able to some.....
It looks like boyo wanted to show off to the car behind and locked rear wheel for the slide in turn but the execution failed :)
At 6:02 "What are these guys going to be like when they are a little older?"
They'll be driving Audis, Ashley.
Assuming they do get a little older.
About the CBT... I'd like to encourage people out of cars and on to bikes- too much of our space is used up by bigger and bigger cars so i don't like putting barriers up to discourage people from making a switch.
I do think though that if your a learner then time on the road should be training and not working. To do deliveries i think we should require a full license as proper instructor training can install a better attitude in a group i notice to have a bad one
Re the scooter riders, those with the food box on the back almost always have L plates. I cannot understand how any learner can get the required hire and reward insurance for food deliveries. And the fact is many are unlicensed and uninsured because they're using someone else's identity to sign up with Deliveroo etc, and to rent the scooter. A situation made worse by the almost complete lack of enforcement.
They most likely do not have business insurance & I would not mind betting any of them share one licence, one insurance and duplicate license plates.
It would be so easy for the old bill to have a purge in the city centre, just stop all mopeds (and push-bikes who have no lights) waiting outside a fat food hop & check every one of them. Put a little sticker on their number plate when checked, so time is not wasted checking the same one twice.
Duplicate licences and plates would soon show up, as when checking a duplicate, system will show they have recently been checked.
Of course copper are far too busy waiting for their food delivery on night shift or setting up catch-all speed traps for easy pickings & easy work.
I did a CBT and a direct access course many years ago when I returned to bike riding. From memory the CBT was mearly a course to enable you to safely control your motorcycle and did not teach the necessary road craft for riding on the highways. The direct access course taught me the fundamentals of safe riding. It frightens me that younger riders can do a CBT and then ride their machines on public roads without any further training.
bear in mind that car drivers do not have to take any mandatory training at all
@@georgebarnes8163 True,but remember they do have supervision in the car whilst learning or at least should have
True, the CBT is a learners permit but it's getting abused now, i think they are talking about doing away with CBT renewals which will encourage more to do the full DAS, as you say though, even DAS only teaches the fundamentals, they don't teach things like countersteering (at least my instructor didn't), surviving on a bike is about attitude, you gain the DAS then start really learning how to ride (i'm 4 years in and still learning), your average 17 year old just doesn't have that approach.
Ashley I’m mid 30s now but I did my cbt at 17. I overcooked a wet left hand turn ended up an inch off the verge on the incorrect side of the road. Luckily no one was comin from the opposite side. And yes I still passed. It was a joke. Nearly 20 years on of safe riding I’ve taken additional lessons especially when I took a few years off the road.
The BMW in the CarVertical segment, The last know mileage on the vehicle was 57,933 but on the odometer in the photos it shows 32,399 Miles, it has been clocked. Very simple to do on vehicles these days as it's all digital, most of the time it takes a few minutes with the right tools, whenever buying a vehicle this is the number #1 thing to look out for, you can also check MOT history to try and calculate an average miles per year the vehicle drives, if all of a sudden that amount changes dramatically it can mean the mileage has been altered
Can I just say, any riders wanting to have a great time and learn how to do so on the roads SAFELY, get in touch with with the Institute for Advanced Motor(cycle)ists, or the Royal Society for Prevention of Accidents.
My experience with IAM was weekend ride outs with police motorcycle instructors, you were assigned a mentor (an IAM qualified rider) and when you were competent enough to achieve a qualification, your insurance is dropped by hundreds of pounds per year….AND you’ve got a better chance of staying sticky side down, shiny side up every journey! 🥳👍
Go learn what IPSGA means, your future self will thank you!
As a motorcyclist of over 50 years experience, I would make three comments. First, the complex and expensive motorcycle training system appears to me to have done little but make getting a licence more complex and expensive. Second, apart from the obvious massive increase in traffic levels making all forms of driving more difficult and dangerous, there appears to be a worrying level of contempt for others across all road users including even pedestrians. The third comment is for you Ashley. Whilst I normally agree with much of what you say and with your educational attitude, I'm afraid I found your comment about the learner on the roundabout a little smug. He was obviously aware of the road conditions and trying to negotiate the roundabout safely. It's also important to remember that not all people have the luxury of an alternative warm car or even a bus route in order to get themselves to and from work etc
Most of these are CBT day course riders, so your criticism of the "extensive training" void.
@@RichO1701e: post said "expensive", nowhere did it say it was "extensive" at all, just "complex". Why would you go through a full course that can take a couple of days, and that can cost quite a bit that you may not be able to save up, when for a fraction of both the time (noting many CBT places don't even keep you for as long as you should!) and cost (about a days' worth of earnings) you can have the same outcome...
That last click. The rider knew it too, he seen the sparkles, he new it was ice, he put his foot down off road style thinking that might help. It wont. The only thing he could have done to stay upright is to head straight on and try and get the bike stopped before it ran out of road. I have been there. Spotted ice just like this on the inside of a roundabout, there was no other traffic around, but all I did was freeze and do as little as possible, keep the bike straight, upright and try and see if I had enough grip to slow at all. Luckily the patch over covered the inner lane and I got grip in the outer lane to recover and drive off.... a lot slower for the remainder of the evening.
He also used his brakes mid corner, never really a good idea outside of the rear brake.
This clip I did feel bad for the guy (unlike the others). Seems an unfortunate occurrence due to inexperience rather than intentionally putting themself at high risk just because they treat riding like a video game.
I don't drive, but have been a motorcyclist for nearly 25 years. I take safety seriously and have been fortunate enough to have attended advanced courses with royal police protection riders and the like.
I have long agreed with Ashley about the CBT. It desperately needs reform. I've completed a number of CBT courses. Some have consisted (quite literally), of no more than an hours 'training'. There is usually no element covering the highway code whatsoever.
It's seen in law as not being an issue as the vehicles you are riding aren't very capable. That isn't necessarily true. The first bike I owned was a 125, capable - as standard - of about 105mph, hitting 60 in 4-5 seconds - no 17 year old has any business being on a bike like that having only completed a CBT. That same bike, albeit in a highly tuned form, holds the speed record for the engine size in Moto GP: 155mph...
An impact at _half_ that speed is unlikely to be survivable.
No such thing as CBT when I got my licence, and 125's were limited to 12bhp. Could still top 70mph. But thats still more than enough to die with, when you factor in the speed of an oncoming vehicle. They need to learn patience. Don;t pass in a risky place, better opportunities will come. Look ahead. Look for pinch points, junctions, crossings, street furniture with reduced grip, tar banding, surface changes....and give yourself the time to spot things. I enjoy faster riding when the time is right, but never rush.
So that isn't allowed anymore, you probably had a two stroke 125. Nowadays it's not just the the engine displacement that's limited to 125 cc, you're also restricted to 15 hp. Might be 12.5 hp even.
I'd been on 50cc sporty mopeds for almost a year before i got my limited 125. The difference in power!
I'd advocate all riders & drivers (unless disabled) start off on mopeds.
@@icouldbewrongicouldberight I disagree. 50cc scooters are so slow that it actually puts you in danger. No one wants to sit behind you at 28mph and some people WILL try and overtake at bad times and put you in danger. You're better off with a bicycle.
@@AAARREUUUGHHHH I did indeed - I still ride it now in fact. While they have always been limited by law in theory, in practice it's almost impossible to enforce - no Police Officer is going to escort a rider to a dyno to check, even if they're aware enough of the vehicle to know what it could be capable of.
I don't think I've ever come across an RS125 say, that was actually restricted - and those can be, and are, still picked up and ridden by anyone with the money on just a CBT certificate.
I've seen situations like this more times than I can count living in greater London. I quite agree that the CBT isn't enough, in fact I regularly question why we allow 16-17 year olds (the lad at 6:34 can't have been much older) access to use *the* most dangerous type of road vehicle. I've been driving for just over 4 years and even at my level of experience (plus a defensive driving course I opted for) I still wouldn't feel 100% comfortable riding a motorbike. I would've disagreed at their age but but honestly think the minimum unsupervised driving/riding age should be raised to 18/19 especially in light of that tragic accident with those four boys in Wales.
Ashley, would you agree with my position that the law should be changed preventing those without a full licence working as “professional” drivers/riders? Remember, to ride on an L plate only requires a CBT, which itself only requires 2hrs on road riding. There isn’t even any need to demonstrate any knowledge of the Highway Code, besides the minimal amount necessary to scrape through a CBT.
The worst one I can remember (for the cyclist) was walking on the prom near Barkby on the north wales coast and being undertaken by a push bike when I was heading east walking less than a foot from the edge of the prom. I was trying to pass an elderly couple walking slowly in the middle of the prom. If I had moved three inches further left the cyclist would have hit me and/or ended up clattering head over heels down the embankment steps on to the sand below. Some people are just complete idiots that you cannot legislate for. Now, I am one of the few people who actively check my blind spots when changing lanes when WALKING....
I also check behind me when I change lanes whilst walking. I ride a bike and see lots of crazy riding from others on bikes, and people being unable to predict what cars and pedestrians are going to do.
That clip at about 3 minutes in. Certainly I can remember riding as a group when younger, there’s a lot of pressure to keep up with your mates and naively you take more risks to do so.
I remember similar in my youth driving in a convoy of cars.
Yep. There's a reason that there is an unconfirmed suggestion that Douglas Bader was shot down by someone in his own flight.
As a recent graduate of a motorcycle school, there are a few things I would change.
1. No commercial riding on a CBT. Full licence only.
2. Valid motorcycle theory test to complete a CBT.
3. Remodel the CBT. On my first CBT, I was taught to not touch the front brake, ever. Only ever rear brake. I was out with a 16 y/o on a scooter who had zero road experience. 6 hours later she could go anywhere her 50cc’s could carry her. There needs to be major reform in the content that is taught. Life savers, for a kick off. If it’s a first CBT, or a new rider with no road experience, perhaps make the CBT a multi day course. Ensure the rider meets a reasonable standard for all driving or riding conditions. Doing a figure of 8 and not falling off for 3 hours is woefully inadequate.
4. I’d make allowances greater for car licence holders. Perhaps allow 250cc, or motorway access, something like that.
5. I’d give police powers to be able revoke a CBT certificate and order a rider to retake it, or take an extended one, in order to ride again.
6. I’d mandate more protective gear than just a helmet. Jacket and gloves, minimum.
7. Make a CBT part of learning to drive a car/bus etc, or massively increase cycle and motorcycle awareness and questions when learning and testing. Let drivers know what to expect when they encounter a motorcycle. Why their lane position changes, and why it isn’t an opportunity to pass, their blind spots and how their observations work during manoeuvres.
I’m sure I could create a list as long as your arm if I sat and thought all night. So many bikers display such poor skills and with the CBT does little more than teach you to stop at lights and not fall off on a car park, it’s no surprise. Motorcycle road deaths have fallen drastically but there is still so much more that could be done.
I agree with pretty much every point you make, though giving someone a 250cc machine with little or no training beyond a CBT or due to having a full car license would be problematic.
There's a reason L platers are restricted to 125s on a CBT, too many folk were yeeting themselves on the old 2 stroke 250s.
That said, having Learner Car drivers have 4 weeks on a 125 motorcycle would teach them how vulnerable motorcyclists are as well?
As someone who lives in a densely populated area in Asia where motorcyclists are the majority, I can tell you that the vast majority of motorcyclists (or road user, tbh) don't understand how to operate their vehicle safely, only how to go and how to stop. So many suicidal idiots who never looks or cares, and I've developed the sense to identify them, what idiotic manoeuvre they'll do, and compensate for it quietly. No, I will not beep the horn, in ny experience it just triggers a "deer in the headlights" response and now you have an unmoving idiot blocking the way and you don't always have the time or space to stop before you crash into them.
Just yesterday I slowed down because I correctly deduced that this idiot will swerve in front of me without turning their head, and sadly due to my tires being dry and the road being wet (I just started my journey from an underground parking lot), my rear just slid. Thankfully I managed to control it somehow.
9:45 I wonder if this was near a fuel station. I was once almost caught out on a damp day, by a small spill of diesel by a petrol station. It's almost as slippy us pig blood clots and water - I had a summer job in an abattoir and got the job of hosing down the blood trough. Slip! Splat! Covered in blood I rode home on my motorcycle, with many a curious look from other roadusers.
In the final videot, you made mention of keeping the 2 wheels at home in bad conditions. For some people, they don't have a choice. I rode for 7 years before passing my car test. As for what happened, the rear wheel stepped out VERY early so either there was oil, black ice or that rear tyre was balder than my dads head. Given the rider had his foot out going into the corner, I think the latter was most likely.
Ever heard of public transport?
@ResevoirGod public transport isn't always available or convenient. In my case if I was to get it to work, it would take about 2 hours each way and involve 3 different buses and thats only possible in the middle of the day. I have zero options to get to work for the start of my early shifts or to get home after the end of a late shift
That roundabout near Queensferry power station is notoriously slippy. That's still no reason to leave the 2 wheels at home though. Nothing that an off-road riding course can't sort out. I take my very heavy touring bike around that very roundabout once in a while. The wet/slippy has never bothered me.
Ashley, I would love to know your thoughts on the law. Should it be right, or should there be a law change, that delivery riders (i.e. professional riders as they are being paid) can do so legally on L plates?
Regarding CBT - I used to be a m/cycle instructor, back in the days when it was unregulated. A lad came to us - as it happened, he was my neighbour - and went through his CBT. Didn't have a motorbike so used one of our crappy MZs. He passed and applied for his test having had no further lessons with us despite it being recommended and offered. On the day of his test, he didn't have a bike so I offered him the use of our Honda 70. No, his mate has one in Burton, so off I went to work and when I got back, I went across the road to ask his dad how the test had gone. The lad had been killed on the way to the test making an overtake on a bend (Derby Road, Burton, for those from the area). CBT just means you can lawfully take lessons. The rules may have changed since, this was 1990.
I didn't stay with that company long, they were run on a shoestring from a pub and it wasn't the way I do things.
Sad story
@@ashley_neal Indeed. I go cold thinking about it.
Passed my test in September and I've always dreaded motorway driving!
Its not something you have to learn for the test so its always been intimidating to me! I took my parents to the airport last week and I tried to avoid the motorway at all costs, on the drive back home! 😂Long story short.. I couldn't.. the SATNAV had other plans for me! Before I knew it I was merging on the motorway with full confidence and.. it was completely fine and okey! I didn't make one mistake and I had a good drive back!
Thanks for making these videos Ash, as it really does help drivers of all experience.. Including novice drivers like myself! New drivers who have passed their test haven't usually driven on the motorway so we find this great wisdom and knowledge extremely helpful! Please make more motorway videos on how to properly navigate the motorway; for people of all experience levels, novices and veterans because it helps everyone!
Thanks for all that you do Ash! 💪
Edit: When your not feeling confident, remember its a state of mind that you can and will overcome! That goes for everything in life! 😌
Motorway driving should form part of driving lessons and part of the test. Even if it were a two part test, pass first and then within six month motorway part must be taken to gain full licence, with documented professional training, not a mate's mum, who has little clue how to safely drive.
OP, I would strongly suggest that you take some some motorway driving lessons. It would be money well spent.
2:55 is exactly why I avoid going on group rides. "Leaders" riding too fast for less experienced bikers, and those trailing riding even faster to try and keep up
Another good compilation, I'm surprised the M4 entry I sent you did not make this. Scooter riders in inner cities take far too many risks these days.
There’s a big folder of clips!
@@ashley_neal A good problem to have! 😎
(5:00>) J21 south bound on the M1 is a non-intuitive junction and the lanes swap direction served all the way around and without warning, especially when congested as the markings can be obscured which can be confusing, as there are 4 lanes around the roundabout. I know this junction very well and I have to be extra alert as to which lane I am in as you can enter one lane showing your intended direction only for it to suddenly change to an alternate direction. The bikers were clearly keeping to the LH lane of the two lanes turning right onto the M69 but then found that the RH lane was the one to use to return to the northbound M1. There are 4 lanes around this roundabout and 3 of them are signed for M69 but only two lanes are available onto the M69 - such is the appalling road marking. As the cammer was going to use the M69 he was in the wrong lane and should have been in the immediate left lane. IMO given that the bikers were clearly unfamiliar with the roundabout they equited themselves very well.
The scooter rider was unfortunate (9:30), the road was wet but that should not have accounted for the drop. it would not surprise me if there was a diesel spillage on the roundabout, which is all too common and absolutely lethal to any biker at any time. Riding in the conditions shown with the care exhibited should result in safe passage but not when some ******* has dropped diesel to create an artificial skating rink!!!!!
You will realise that most of the incidents shown here are with 'L' plated riders, who only take very limited training (1hr) before venturing out on the road for maybe months before they then take some tuition and a test (if at all). There is currently a consultation in hand with proposals to overhaul the current system for the better. It should also be noted that the majority of the 'L' plated bikes appear to be ridden by youths, who without adult supervision are likely to 'explore' what they can do on the road. There needs to be a system where CBT riders can only be allowed on the roads with an approved instructor. Note also the number of riders with delivery boxes on the back - they will under a time penalty for the delivery, which generates risk taking..
3:05: things like this are exactly why i’m kinda confused at why motorcycles aren’t required to have front number plates
Practicality and safety. There's nowhere to put them and they are dangerous to pedestrians.
Dust off your old leathers, borrow a bike for the afternoon and take us for a ride one time!
One last time, the way some of these drivers are going…
At around 2:33, excellent anticipation by the cam car re a pedestrian using the crossing from right to left in-between stationary cars in very close proximity. I would have been on very high alert indeed for exactly this situation and drop my speed right down and change down to second gear on approach. Well done cammer! The oncoming drivers would have done better to leave the crossing clearer than they did, giving oncoming vehicles a wider sight line for exactly this reason. Indeed the white van that stopped just short of the crossing would have done well to also leave the side street clear whilst waiting.
That junction is a nightmare and quite a few drivers will use the lane 1 exit despite there being two lanes and most days the matrix signs are flashing at 40. Not helped by services being a short distance behind and those coming out of the services wanting lane 2 or beyond. It really is a bad design.
Anyway, this is a prime example of why I don’t overtake and always try to have a staggered formation going round roundabouts
@@smilerbob I'm wondering whether your well written reply was intended for another clip / comment? My original comment was for the zebra crossing scenario at 2:33.
@@ibs5080 Indeed it was and my mistake. I think I must’ve clicked on the wrong reply button. The reply was intended for the M1 / M69 clip
I must be in need of more coffee or less work
@@ibs5080 And it was good anticipation from the cammer and one reason I wont drive at the speed limit when there is traffic on the opposite carriageway. You never know what will emerge between the vehicles 👍
@@smilerbob No problem at all Bob. I gathered from the context that yours was a motorway related comment. Perhaps I've now regained my observational skills.
All cliches there:
"Meat in the sandwich"
"Near side, offside, suicide".
"If you come off you a dead cow's skin ripped off, not a live human's".
I also have to say that I do not think it should be lawful for a person to ride or drive a vehicle for reward if they do not have a full licence to do so - whether you drive a lorry for Eddie Stobart or ride a moped for a pizza parlour.
I'm glad the man&his wee Cavalier were OK. I've had Blenheim Cavalier's since 93. It was like watching my Furbaby crossing the road.
At 9:36 (title photo) that is not inevitable, it is because the rider used the rear brake improperly. It is so easy to use the rear wrongly I think they should change learner training. Rear braking on corners is dangerous. So is front braking. But if you have to brake then best front, at least you will low side with front skid, and not get flipped off like a catapult.
As a former motorcyclist, I find today's riding standards a just awful. I've done my fair share of cutting through traffic commuting into big cities from nearby towns (into Liverpool, Edinburgh or Glasgow mostly) but the gaps I used to take were much bigger, and the traffic was moving a lot more slowly if I was filtering. On urban dual carriageways I would filter between the lanes, but only slightly faster than the other traffic. One time in Liverpool I noticed I was being followed by a Police bike doing the same, so I pulled into the nearside lane, but as he passed me he lifted his helmet front, nodded up the road at me, and told me "come 'head, la". Proper scouser cop! 😆
My wife’s from the Pool. But I can’t work out come’ head , la.
Was it good or bad?
The cbt is 100% not a enough. My instructor was a absolute bully on my first cbt I was a absolute wreck on the roads and a danger. He still signed me off but said he think I was going to kill myself on the roads. I had my first crash a couple of weeks after that due to misjudging speed into a tight corner and target fixation. I then had to take my training into my own hands, yes I could legally ride a vehicle up to 125cc that could go 60mph on any roads apart from motorways, but I knew in myself I was not a safe rider. I practised slow speed control, practised proper observations and used loads of videos on riding safely. I no longer ride but it's made me a much better driver becuase I realised driving is a skill like any sport or hobby and that only via proper targeted practise due you improve you wouldn't go and play golf and expect on day 1 to play under par and hit a straight long drive, it requirestime, effort and anylsis to improve. I just think it's mad you can ride a motorbike after one day of a morning of slow speed control and then 2 hours* ( a time that many companies never seem to meet), a bit of theory and off you go.
My CBT teacher was a condescending asshole. I was nervous so I struggled with some basic questions I usually wouldn't sweat with. He was very sarcastic and rude in his responses.
Last situation is pure bad luck.
We can go for winter tyres to our bikes.
And outside big cities - no public transport provided to work in early/late hours, so people sometimes risking on bikes with this weather.
At least - lightweight scooter is smallest penalty when trip off on ice.
Keep safe!
At around 8:42 with the motorcyclist squeezing by, inbetween lanes 2 and 3 at high speed. Let me guess "But I'm lane splitting and that's legal"! I'm always very wary of this practice, even when traffic is free flowing. It's a reason why I always check my nearside before moving back in to the left and always signal such a manoeuvre, letting my indicators flash a minimum of three times before commencing my manoeuvre. Motorcyclists like the one in this clip will likely have their luck run out sooner or later.
2:52 It's a very common, and very unfortunate thing to "follow the leader" in group rides, when the leader overtakes. Very dangerous as well.
That was my clip. The oncoming lead car also slowed and pulled left into their verge to make space. Astonishingly lucky escape.
Thanks for including the clip, Ashley... always great videos and something to learn from. 👍
the CBT is good for what it is, but the problem is its cheaper than getting a full licence for car or motorbike. you can get a cbt, ride for 2 years and then do another one which for delivery riders, thats all they need to ride a small cc bike through town or city.
the intention of the CBT is that once passed, riders would then go on to take lessons in that 2 year period and that is all good and fine if you use things as intended, but there are people out there that will see it as a loop hole and use it for different reason.
i remember reading in MCN (motorcycle news) back when these test centres were getting built because the EU picked a speed limit for part of the test and because the UK is in MPH it worked out to be 32mph so we couldnt do it on public roads so all these test centres were built. they mentioned that because the cost of the licence had gone up because of these test centres, lots of riders were just renewing their CBT every 2 years.
a change to the CBT could be that you need so many lessons with an instructor before allowed out on your own. for those doing delivery riding, the law should be changed that you cant deliver on L plates. it wont stop the delivery riders from doing silly and stupid overtakes but it would reduce the amount of them and possibly change some of their minds to think twice before taking risks.
100%, CBT is just a 1 day course..., How is that enough to know road signs, aswell as proper control and awareness riding the bike and OF the bike. Lucky for me I use to do motocross and was more than capable of controlling a bike and knowing how it handles on different terrains and conditions, BUT road signs was a big learning curve for me plus the 1 thing i ALMOST failed my CBT was not doing lifesaver checks.., after a thorough.., intense..., verbal talk over the ear speaker from my tutor.., I have taken my lifesaver checks with me even into my car, I can say i passed my driving test back in 2012 with only 4 minors and a well done with my attention to thorough checking.
But even until this day, Ashley, you show me even more that i need to add to my arsenal on the roads of today.
The clip at around 6:38 with the two wheeler turning left from a side street without even looking. This is also not uncommon amongst cyclists, possibly because they think that since they will be riding near the curb edge, they don't need to bother to check! I wonder whether this rider was used to doing that as a cyclist and has continued the habit.
When you said the joke with the "organ doners" I was thinking you are too harsh....then I saw their behaviour...you were right
2:37 although I agree with this I didnt expect to see *that* many donors in a single clip....my good god that was terrifyingly stupid riding.
I am a motorcyclist I did it the DAS route. I would be in support of CBT being a two-day (weekend) course where Saturday is the same as current CBT and the Sunday is wholly dedicated to more roadcraft. I also think that a condition of all driving licenses should be like CPD (Continued Professional Development) is to Engineers in that you must take a two-hour refresher training session for that vehicle class every year. I would make it on all licenses for vehicles not just motorcycles.
In defence of the CBT, it gives an option to people who would find other ways of getting on the road too expensive. They have L plates, so other road users with full licences should look after them
It's quite difficult to look after completely unpredictable and irrational behaviour/riding. Yes, I know the good old saying "expect the unexpected", but if you have to apply that universally because some CBT L-plate rider could do something outlandish (which we know they do) you could only crawl along at 15mph everywhere.
I agree about some of the motorcyclists not looking ,no excuse , but in 52 years of motorcycling a lot of car drivers don’t either. It’s just bad observation ( lack off ) luckily being taught by the police college at Hendon , we where taught by walking the Streets for a hour every Sunday morning of a 3 hour course , looking at hazards , under cars ( peoples feet etc moving , people moving n stationary cars moving their head and reaching out to open the door into coming traffic without looking) we even had to go out without mirrors ( which isn’t unlawful still ) and observe everything by turning our heads all the time , taught me a lot . But I agree there are some idiots on the road especially learner motorcyclists doing delivery jobs , breaking speeding laws , weaving in between vechiles with no thought of other road users . I wonder if their employees would back them up in a crash ( I don’t think so ) the practice of employing them should be made illegal. Ps great vlogs 😊😊👍😂
5:50 honestly compared to other clips in these video i think those two are fine. yep, if not for how aware/helpful the cammer was, they wouldn't get where they wanted to. but given they took quite a bit of time to establish the lane changes were safe, i think they'd just take a different exit if the roundabout was too busy, and turn around somewhere
I've been a biker for 52 years, and wouldn't have survived this long by riding like these examples. In my experience, the fast food delivery riders are the worst, buzzing around like flies. Most of the ones I see ride with total disregard for any other road user, and total ignorance of the rules which are supposed to keep us all safe. I don't suppose many, if any, of them intend to take a driving test, and they would be unlikely to pass if they did.
That's my rant over.
Just found your videos. I love this. I am not an experienced rider, but your clips do show me that I am safer on my Fireblade than a lot of these other maniacs.
The biggest problem here has been overlooked - vehicles stopping on a zebra crossing like that is against the highway code!it's unacceptable and ive been hit whilst crossing on a zebra crossing due to someone proceeding to creep forward to block the crossing like that blue car (around 2:30 in this video). Drivers like this and also the van behind (which is also stopped on the zebra crossing) are selfish and their actions massively reduce visibility and drastically increase risk. There should be punishment for this - points would soon start deterring actions like this.
That last clip i can easily say he had bold tires because with the lack of speed they where doing they shouldn't have slipped. ive been caught out in a thunder storms and never had a problem with at least 1.3mm tread remaining
I think you mean bald, but their riding wasn't very bold either!
As someone currently riding my motorbike with L plates (Doing my DAS once budget allows!), I fully agree that a CBT is not enough ESPECIALLY for being able to do commerical delivery riding, any business use should require a full licence no question about it. In terms of general road use I also feel like there needs to be more on the road elements before being allowed to ride with L-plates.. I'm only as confident as I am riding because I've had a full car licence and been driving a car for many years. There is such a large discrepancy with how much a learner motorcyclist learns about the road vs a car learner
I don’t think the CBT was ever intended for hire and reward. I can’t think of another vehicle a novice on L plates can drive professional and get paid for that driving. They don’t even have to pass the driving theory test. They all seem clueless of the danger they put themselves in.
The clues in the Name Basic Training is not adequate for hire and reward environment.
My bother recently did the CBT and there were 2 food delivery riders on their own bikes doing it as their Current CBT was due to expire. They both didn’t complete. One went through a zebra crossing in use and the other hit a curb doing a crazy undertaking . So their day was cancelled. You can’t really fail it but you can not reach the required standard.
I think all food riders should have a full licence for there vehicle. No L plates. I can’t understand how they afford the insurance as a Lerner to have multi drop business insurance. Must cost over a grand.
At around 4:55, excellent multiple observations and learning points regarding the two "together" motorcyclists that exited the motorway via the left hand lane of the slip road.
CBT was intended as part of the route to full licence, however seen by many as the easy option and repeatable every two years, entitling them to stay on the road indefinitely.
The result is often skills dilution and depending on the initial training body standards, those base skills can vary dramatically.
The recent proposals for change should hopefully address some of the licensing shortfalls.
the CBT is a good course, as long as 2 things are done:
1: its done properly by a good school (but too many arent:( ) and
2: keep in mind its a BASIC training course to allow you to begin to learn
its not supposed to be a "do this and off you go have fun" but that is, unfortunately, how it's being treated.
completely agree, as someone who's worked commercially with only a cbt, that a cbt isn't enough to be able to work commercially. should need to have passed a test for this!
The bike CBT isn't enough and all of these Deliveroo scooters prove it, how they've passed their theory is amazing. They're a plague on our roads.
Bike filterers also think filtering means you can do it at any given time which is just plain daft 😮💨 they have no self preservation awareness. Love seeing the fools filter at a junction when there's a car making a legal turn and they act like it's the car's fault 🤦♂
I completely agree that CBTs aren't enough. I know it is literally basic training but it isn't enough to put someone on the road. I currently ride a 125cc on a CBT and have done for a few months and I still encounter and learn new things, things that aren't taught or even mentioned on a CBT. I will do my full A license and then advanced courses though, just trying to be as safe as possible.
I find it strange that people put their lives in danger for a 2 minute advantage so they can then sit in from of the TV. Delivery mopeds could easily be sorted if the companies that employ them are held accountable.
For those who don't use adblockers, imagine the time it takes to play an advert at the beginning of a YT video - that is the advantage some people will throw their life away for. Then imagine a button that says . Sometimes, death by foolishness is that facile.
I always joke that people are desperate to do a pointless overtake to get home to watch Pointless
They are annoyed when behind someone and have to get past no matter what
@@PedroConejo1939 Who does not use ad-blockers?
I have just moved to U-origin, which is doing a fantastic job blocking ads on youtube.
I had an advanced driving certificate and 6 years of driving experience when I got my first 125cc bike. I had to dip into all my knowledge and experience to stay safe while riding. Just thinking of 17 year olds with only half a day of road experience going out there and bombing down country roads at 60mph scares the crap out of me.
Also, the importance of wearing gear is not stressed enough. A helmet won't help you much when you sand the rest of your body down to the bone.
Poor biker at the end looked like they hit a patch of oil. They weren't going too fast.
I agree with you regarding the CBT. Its simply not enough training to throw a vulnerable road user straight onto the road. I also think provisional drivers should not be allowed to use a vehicle for work. I did my bike test back in 1998 when a cbt lasted 2 years only and you had to have 12 months clear before you could do it again to encourage riders to do the full test. It encouraged riders to invest in themselves rather than just keep doing a cbt with no to little extra training.
I ride in all weathers, always have. With experience 'wet' roads are perfectly safe. Especially on a low powered scooter like the one in the last clip. Smoothness is the key. The kid who fell off was either very inexperienced, or just heavy handed. Looks like he braked hard with the rear and didn't know what to do when it started to swap ends.
Most of the other clips are classic impatience and poor judgement, mixed with the current trend for idiocy. The L plate brigade on their twist and go delivery bikes have started to copy hte bad behaviour of certain cyclists with regard to lanes, traffic islands, and common sense. It's down to training and enforcement. I have to deal with London traffic, with all the joys that holds, and I would give most of those riders about a week to live on my daily commute.
I agree. The trailing foot is a big teller for inexperienced* riders; it seldom improves anything as it compromises your ability to balance the bike and does nothing to keep the bike up if it starts to slide (and makes a broken ankle way more likely). *I exclude speedway from this, given they have the merest nub of a left footpeg and appropriate boots.
As a 40yr old, full licence holder, 4yrs, I totally agree, the CBT is not enough training. And it should not be enough of a qualification to gain a delivery job. At all.
The full licence training, MOD1 & MOD2 testing are more than enough.
Ooo Pensnnett Road Dudley Shown on here by The T Wall Ford Garage know that road very well it's the main road from Russells Hall Hospital to Kingswinford. Keep up the good work Ashley! Love these videos
As someone who is an L plate rider I can assure you it's not the training that is an issue. You're essentially learning while on the road. The 2 riders on the roundabout made a mistake but were riding fairly responsibly for the most part although it is worrying that they're not even L plate riders and doing that. It's peoples complete ignorance of the rules and of life i believe are more of an issue. A lot of riding and driving is just common sense and patience.
There's also a big discrepancy between scooter riders and geared bike riders. Like other people have mentioned the majority of moped delivery drivers do some insane stuff. I don't like to say it but the majority of them are foreign too which probably explains the ignorance to the rules part. Definitely doesn't help that they're paid by the delivery so it literally pays to go faster.
Having passed my test, I waited on advisement to take my Gold Star Test after having one year on the road, I went on to work for Federal Express as a dispatch rider even had experience in moving medical packages under escort, I tell you this for context, these examples go against anything I was taught as a bike rider, let alone as a motorcycle rider. The first lesson whilst taking my Cycling Proficiency Test was "Do not become a casualty" and pretty much the same when instructed as Part 1 of my M/C test again under Gold Star Training. I really think they should bring back those scary videos of people getting hit and what the Police have to deal with after a Vehicular Fatality.
I agree, the CBT is not enough, think how many hours you spent learning to drive compared with a single day before you're let loose on an L plate. I'm a motorcyclist and I despair when I see people risking their lives on L plates. Also I think full protection and not just a helmet should be made law.
I think the CBT is fine because of the restrictions it puts on you, other road users should see the L plate and give appropriate space and expect mistakes.
I do however believe you shouldn’t be allowed to have any business use without a full license.
"I do however believe you shouldn’t be allowed to have any business use without a full license." ... 100% agree.
Agree with what you're saying, but usually those ain't mistakes, and rather bad habits. Of all the road users I find scooter riders (especially food delivery) the most unpredictable.
@@p.a.1675 💯
It's a bit difficult to see an L plate on a bike coming round a blind bend on the wrong side of the road and expect that mistake.....
Did you catch the partial loss of control at 6:31?
Best skill a biker can pick up for being safe in traffic is to be predictable - even if all else fails, at least other users can react as necessary. Every time a biker suddenly appears in clips like these, the drivers have near zero chance to bail them out when they inevitably come a-cropper.
The problems are the lack of enforcement for those poor riders and being paid for the number of trips they can do in a day. A 1/3 of those clips are from me, pretty happy, thanks Ashley. But that shows how much I have to be aware and tolerate during my driving.
Delivery scooters don't get the 'Biker Nod' and so I'm a bit resentful over their inclusion in a motorcycle compilation.
I also agree that the CBT isn't really enough.
I agree that the cpt isn't enough, when I was 16 I did one. One other person did it at the same time as me and somehow got lost following the instructor, he also went on the wrong side of the road at a T junction when it was his independent riding. Somehow they still passed him.
Our motorcycle training and licensing system is ridiculous. If you look at the flow charts you find that the following are factors: Engine capacity, engine power and power derivation, speed range, number of wheels, power to weight ratio, rider age (16,17, 19, 21 or 24), years riding and licence held (one of four types). Then take into account you can ride commercially with no experience whatsoever and a provisional licence. You can also whizz about privately without any training. Is it a surprise that we have so many accidents and injuries. Then the “road safety” experts from the government, quangos and busybodies shout “something must be done” and they try to impose draconian measures to curtail motorcycle usage to prevent further accidents. The basic problem is fundamentally how we train, test and licence riders. It is a legacy from the EU and our civil servants are not up to the job. I doubt if anything will change except for even more pointless restrictions being imposed.
the worst one i've experienced was a narrow gap ahead space for two cars and 2 inchs of space, i was basically wheels to kurb to allow the oncoming cars to come through the gap, scooter behind me just as I moved to the left ( as i did slow down) tried to undertake, nearly went into the back of me, then quickly switched to the right and nearly got flattened by an oncoming van... then gave me a glance when he could pass (on my inside further up the road) like i was the problem... they honestly have death wishes and do themselves no favors.
There's a lot of misconceptions about the CBT (not having a dig at Ashley here). It isn't a test so strictly speaking you can't "pass" or "fail" it, but it also isn't guaranteed that you'll be issued a CBT at the end of the day. It's an assessment, and the instructor can refuse to issue a CBT if someone hasn't sufficiently demonstrated what they need to. That happened to one of the people doing their CBT on the same day as me, and at the start of the day the instructors mentioned that they usually have at least once case a month where they will refuse to issue a CBT.
Of course it's going to be down to the riding school doing the training, so I obviously can't make a blanket statement about every single instructor qualified to issue a CBT... But the point is that it is entirely possible to effectively "fail" a CBT.
The CBT could certainly be made more stringent. I sure as hell don't feel like the CBT properly prepared me for riding on public roads - I rode on a CBT for about 9 months, and by the time I came to do big boy bike lessons I had to un-learn so many bad habits. I do think that you should have more than just a CBT if you're going to be earning money from riding - i.e. doing deliveries. The risk there however is that delivery riders who now can't use a moped will turn to illegal, or illegally modified, e-bikes instead.
There has to be an issue with a conflict of interest with the same organisation doing the training deciding whether to issue the CBT or not. If a place is strict about the issuing of CBT's then word gets round and they lose business. If however they don't care and issue them to anybody no matter how incompetent, they get known for that and get more business! Seems a slightly broken system.
Or it wouldn't be if CBT's were actually used how they are intended - an initial basic bit of training for you to then go and get the skills and practice to pass the proper test - not riding indefinitely on L plates!
With it said that the CBT isn't enough, it's likely that a lot of those witnessed behaving poorly haven't undertaken one themselves. When I first learnt to ride and did my CBT it did feel like enough to get me going, what happens after that is up to the rider. The rest of us suffer as a result of increased scrutiny (which comes with cost) that might prohibit those who wish to legitimately learn, what follows is simply more untrained and inexperienced riders taking the spotlight.
My instructors were excellent and treated us all as individuals and picked us up on our failings and weeknesses. Perhaps now its more of an assault course challenge it's less focused on tailoring early tuition and simply pushing out the numbers.
Yeah, i agree. The CBT level is not the problem here - the people riding are. And ultimately the complete absence of accountability for the way they ride. If there are, de-facto, no rules, then people will just do what they like.
in my state, if you overtake a car while they are stopped for pedestrians, it's a fine and points.
I passed my driving test at 17 (second time) and passed a CBT at 18, I used a pedal bike, 125cc motorbike and car between ages 18 - 21 (I'm a very inexperienced pedestrian 😂), and at 21 (around 1998) I passed my full bike licence (On the direct access scheme). I wasn't trained well enough on my CBT to be considered safe on the road at 60mph, the CBT requires much more detailed training and should restrict ALL people to a maximum speed of 30 mph (regardless of age and other licences). I'm not sure of the current training/assessment for CBT instructors, but this seemed none existent when I passed my CBT. A CBT should not be sufficient to drive commercially, and these 'professional' drivers should be forced to invest in a full licence (or restricted full licence).
The clip immediately following the intro, from around 0:40 onwards must be in Holland. Well the yellow Dutch plates obviously give it away but also the dotted lines for the shoulders on either side as well as the general look of the river and flat countryside all contribute to a Dutch look. Have to say, that scooter rider was crazy.
Yep it's the Netherlands. Sadly we have our own share of idiots on the road. :(
And then to consider that they are actually required to pass a traffic exam to ride even a (45kmh limited) moped/scooter
Some other motorcycle channel (forgot the name) reviews clips of accidents and one of his warning signals to look for is "open lane pattern". If there is free space in the lane, someone will want to use it and change lanes. Usually for multi-lane roads but applies here, too.
It is obvious that the cyclist will return to a better position away from the door zone after the car passes...
yep, those dotted lines and red bits of tarmac are not actually cycle lanes per se or a shoulder. It's done to make the road look narrower as a traffic calming measure. The oncoming grey Peugeot should have been much further over to their side, fully using the red area of tarmac.
Still, no excuse for the nasty moped pass, looks to be de-restricted too as it seemed way faster than 25kph.
At around 2:47, I felt the cam car accelerated very briskly and to a speed that was less than prudent. Not excusing the oncoming group of riders, some of whom were right on the centre line etc but I feel the cam car could have taken the pace easier given the road.
They might have had vehicles approaching from behind and needed to get up to speed without causing problems. But agreed, once speed was up to a sufficiently safe speed they could’ve eased off a little with traffic coming but then again, who expects a group of riders to pull a daft series of overtakes? 🤷🏻♂️
@smilerbob is correct - there is a significant lights-controlled junction just behind where I had pulled in (item loose in the boot)...
But you have a fair point @ibs5080. Noted and thank you - we always have something to learn from each experience.
My main take-away was that in prime biker country and on biker roads it is hazardous to be the lead car with a large gap ahead of you.
I rechecked the original clip from my dash-cam and the highest recorded speed before hitting the brakes was 59mph on the national limit section of that road. The dashcam overlay is cropped from the published clip
Thanks for including my clip @ashley_neal. Great videos as always...
@@SDJSound Thank You for your additional insight as well as sending in your clip. I admire you for that.
You raise a very good point that I often consider. Namely that there is a certain risk in being the lead car with a very large gap in front of you. Of course, one wants to keep a safe and sufficient distance to the vehicle in front. No question. But when that gap is particularly large, it tempts others to do things in front of you they may not otherwise do.
I live in the same town as the last clip. Those two roundabouts are very tight, and often slippery. Got to take them with more caution than that rider on two wheels.
I did my CBT at 16, just a day long course, dead easy. Yet learning to drive, it took 2 years of lessons and 2 attempts to pass. Have no idea how anyone is expected to learn the roads as a 16 year old in just one day.
Well, you can get an e-bike and go on the roads with no training at all and no licence. The CBT teaches you how to ride a bike, not every law of the road.
I'm not from the UK but my gf has roots there and watches a lot of British TV. We watched a lot of 24 Hours in AE and Emergency Helicopter Medics. The first thing I learned from these as a driver is that driving a Motorbike is very dangerous. But looking at these clips, I start thinking of these people just increasing risk for everyone involved and them being less protected at higher volocities on the road just happen to be those who get the most seriously wounded. Granted most accidents shown in those episodes were not necessarily them driving poorly but I wouldn't necessarily agree to put myself out there, if I were to drive like these poor road users... Just drive save and reduce risks. If you ever want to know why, watch a few episodes of 24hrs or EHM. You will learn soon enough if you still have a heart.
Hey Ashley, Thanks for the videos. Always instructive. May I make a suggestion? My wife works with young people with disabilities. She recently found the Association of Disability Driving Instructors whilst researching an information sheet on getting around. None of the young people had ever heard of it. Would you consider talking about it in a video. I hope there would be more people than just me who would be interested in your view.
I find there's 2 kinds of learner riders.
Those who are genuinely learning before moving onto a big bike.
And those who have no intention of learning or getting a full license.
Thank you
I needed this, passed my cbt last week……at 41 😂 target fixation is real 😳
Look after yourself!
@@ashley_neal I will 😃 I’m glad I waited until I was in my 40’s….younger dumber me would of been trying to wheelie and stoppie on the first day 🫣
@@BleachDemon99Now you left it for the second day? 😜
@Leidolfr when, where, who said what now.. ? Are you referring to the Drakefords 20mph comment some weeks ago?
@@PkPvre 😬
6:40 looks like hes just done his CBT and then practicing the clutch and finally found the bite and just didnt expect a car to come
"didn't expect a car to come"
The CBT teaches to ALWAYS be on the lookout for other vehicles and doubley so on junctions. Ashley was right that they did not even look either way before emerging from the junction.
Bite point is one thing, but he was rolling and didnt even attempt to stop at the give way, or look.