I've been putting my records in plastic sleeves for quite some time. I'm glad I did because one of my dogs developed a nasty habit of peeing in the house. Unfortunately he was peeing on my vinyl stored on the bottom shelf! But fortunately they were all stored correctly and there was no damage! I did have to replace approx 160 sleeves. The dog is still alive
Doesn't having the disk outside the jacket make it vulnerable to accidental scraping? I also think that many old records have ringwear because outer sleeves weren't widely used back in the day. Abrasion between jackets can also be prevented if they aren't rubbing too tightly with each other.
I thought the same thing about records getting scraped, even though they are in MoFi inner sleeves. I just won't take the chance. Also this practice will allow more dust to enter the sleeve and get on the record.
Robert Ian Hawdon You don't need to the weight of the records between should be enough to keep your vinyl sealed from dust and other things it's also nifty if you worry about that make a custom piece of cardboard and Fit it to where it covers the cube of vinyl and it's perfect or you could dust. Storing them sideways could rip the sleeves. And if you're not. careful cause vinyl to slip out.
Interesting idea, I've received records bought over the internet with the record behind the jacket. I asked the seller why and he said it was to reduce/prevent ring wear during shipping. I never thought about how I was storing them. Just goes to show one is never to old to learn. Thanks for creating hours of work for me to redo my collection! Joking of course. Great tip, keep em coming!
Lance Van Pietersom Its actually more so to prevent seam splits. On some sleeves you might have seen that the top where the record is housed is damaged and ripped open a bit, revealing the white material under the cover image. This happens when the record moves around inside and wears down the sleeve with its sharp edges. Little by little over time or its ripped by violent shaking durring something like overseas shipping. Usually its the top because thats where the inner sleeve opening is. Although ringwear is also a concern. I always ask for my purchases online to be shipped with the record outside the jacket if possible.
The albums are stored back to back against each other on the shelves. So I don't understand the logic in putting the record outside the jacket to reduce ringwear, when you consider that this will cause the record to press against whichever next front jacket is wedged directly behind it. Also, the outer sleeves with the adhesive flaps (even though most people hate those) are better for having all four sides of the album sealed/protected and unable to have dirt, dust, or water enter.
I do it more for convenience... easy access to the record (for me). I'm clumsy, so the jackets with the adhesive tabs don't work for me, haha. I always get the sleeve stuck on that damn thing. Cheers, Frank
I don't like the idea of my albums exposed outside of the jacket in the back. I store them in the jacket with the outer sleeve opening on top, as for ring wear, that only comes from having too many records bunched together, and before the invention of outer sleeves. I have yet to notice any of my albums showing signs of ring wear with my method, but to each his/her own.
This technique i've been using for the last three years. I find it protects the seams on the cover also. Thanks for the video Frank, take care, George.
How bout these benefits? 1. LP is More easily accessible, not sliding jackets in and out of out sleeves, therefore dramatically decreasing wear to the jacket, and preventing potential damage to OIS, lyric sheets, posters etc. 2. Preventing wear and foxing on the jacket opening, considering you grubby, greasy fingers and unkempt fingernails aren't staining and shredding the precious paper. No one likes a blown out, fuzzy, dirty hole. 3. You can now hide all kinds of things in those empty jackets from the wife (you know she dont like touching your vinyl) and cops, such as money, drugs, forged insurance/tax forms, tiny weapons and your secret paper doll collection.
Great tip man. I have the same problem with the outer jacket sliding off as I put the record back on the shelf. Will definitely switch the opening to the top from now on to prevent this from happening. Enjoyed the fresh new intro too. Cheers.
I used to always put the outer sleeves on so that the top edge of the cardboard record cover was on the open side of the outer sleeve. But now a more experienced vinyl collector has told me that this means that the cardboard record covers are not as well ventilated and moisture can collect between the cardboard record cover and the PE outer sleeve and that it is better to put the PE outer sleeve over so that the opening of the PE outer sleeve is in the same place as the opening of the cardboard record cover. The cardboard can then also "breathe" and no moisture can accumulate. He said that the outer sleeves are only there to prevent dust from getting into the record and to prevent the edges from being damaged so quickly when you take it out of the record rack, but the outer sleeves should not separate the cardboard record covers from the circulating air. Makes sense to me. I have now changed all my outer sleeves again so that the opening of the outer sleeves is on the side of the opening of the cardboard record cover.
I used to always put the outer sleeves on so that the top edge of the cardboard record cover was on the open side of the outer sleeve. But now a more experienced vinyl collector has told me that this means that the cardboard record covers are not as well ventilated and moisture can collect between the cardboard record cover and the PE outer sleeve and that it is better to put the PE outer sleeve over so that the opening of the PE outer sleeve is in the same place as the opening of the cardboard record cover. The cardboard can then also "breathe" and no moisture can accumulate. He said that the outer sleeves are only there to prevent dust from getting into the record and to prevent the edges from being damaged so quickly when you take it out of the record rack, but the outer sleeves should not separate the cardboard record covers from the circulating air. Makes sense to me. I have now changed all my outer sleeves again so that the opening of the outer sleeves is on the side of the opening of the cardboard record cover.
Been doing that for years. I have a wooden boxes where i put my records. I even get the record and not having to pull out the jacket cause i use diskeeper to store them
Frank i do put my records in the outer sleeves but i don't have enough to cover them all though still have more to buy to cover all the records the pain of owning a big collection I do not however put the records in the back of the sleeve i leave them in the jacket i do put the jacket in the sleeve the way you do just have to remove the jacket to remove the record
I don't use an outer sleeve, but I do put the record in a MoFi inner sleeve and place the (original) inner sleeve or insert into the record jacket behind the MoFi sleeve.
Just found this - getting back into Vinyl after decades away - I store mine with LP in MOFi sleeve outside of jacket and I have the opening of the outer sleeve sideways to expose the spine for easy reading while on shelf
I'm *similar* in that I top-load the outer sleeve. I use a MoFi inner sleeve as well, and I had been storing it behind the outer jacket the way you do, but lately I've been putting the record (in the MoFi inner) back into the record sleeve if it isn't going to be a tight fit. It turns out that it bugs me not to be able to see the rear of the outer sleeve. I'm trying to balance keeping the records and sleeves in good shape, and also understanding that I'm not living in a museum and want to maximize the enjoyment of what I have. All in all ... first-world problems. ;-) Cheers! Tom
Hey Frank I am a year late but I finally got tired of stacking record crates and not seeing the majority of my records. I now stack them like shelves. Slowly going through each album and sleeving them as you recommended. Thanks for the video!
Hey Frank, Great tips today, I do the same with keeping my albums in the plastic outer sleeves , only I decided to keep my albums inside the album jacket to help protect the vinyl like it was intended to do but I get why you and other people keep vinyl albums behind the jacks to reduce ring ware. New intro looking great glad to hear your keeping the theme song! Take care and talk to you again soon.~ Jeff
Hi Jeff! So good to hear from you my friend. I know many, many people who store their records as you indicated. Everyone has their own way, which makes this hobby so interesting. All the best, Frank
I store my records the same in the fact that I keep the opening to the plastic sleeve at the top versus the side fore your aforementioned reason. But I dont keep the record outside the jacket. Personally for me I just dont find it necessary to do so as it takes like a second to take out the inner sleeve anyhow. Gently that is.
I don't like the idea of putting the plastic outer sleeve with the opening on top because dust more easily can get into the record sleeve from the top and not so much from the side.
@@theTORTUGAZUL But the dust will only land on the jacket, which is not a problem. I keep the inner sleeve, jacket, and outer sleeve all at 90 degrees to one another, so there's no way dust can make it all the way to the record itself.
Thanks for this I have seen this several times from various people and was always wondering the thoughts behind this. Great Tip. I also like the fact that this method prevents 'escapes' amongst my collection.
I usually do this method for one offs, but for box sets- for example, the nevermind 30th, it just wouldnt be feasible. I'm fine with taking the records out because they at least fit in the box in a uniform manner.
For albums that I care most about I use two outer sleeves, one that is open at the side opening of the jacket and the other one is slid down over the top of the album and also over the other sleeve. This is more expensive but in my opinion worth the extra cost. For other records that are less important to me, I simply slide the outer sleeve over the top of the album. I do not like putting the record on the outside of the album because as the records are being filed or filed through (when looking for a particular record) there is a potential possibility of damaging the record by way of pressure from fingers thereby causing eventual warping. Ring wear is caused by the records being filed too tightly and close together. On a shelf there should be enough room so that when filing through the albums, the front label of the record can easily be seen at an angle.
I do sleeve all of my records in the MoFi sleeves, but I don't always put the records behind the jacket in the outer sleeve. I will do this with more rare records that I want to handle less, and typically they end up in an outer sleeve with a flap and seal. With gatefold 2LPs, I'll store both LPs in MoFi sleeves sandwiched in the gatefold cover while keeping the original sleeves in the jacket pockets. This way you can slide the records up out of the sleeve while leaving the gatefold cover in the outer sleeve.
I just recently invested in outer and inner sleeves. I also arrange mine the same way you do so the outer sleeve doesn't bunch up and I put my records in the back of the outer sleeve. just way easier that way.
I store mine exactly the same way, record and any ephemera behind. I do put the inner sleeve 90 degrees rotated, so that the opening matches the opening of a standard cover. This way there's less dust and no possibility of the record itself accidentally sliding out of both the inner and outer sleeve.
Mason Moss Interesting. I have not heard of this before. I've never had an issue, as my records are stored vertically... tight but not too tight. I'd love to hear from anyone who has had issues. I'd like to learn more. Cheers!
But wouldn't the records still get dust due to it being exposed by the plastic slit or do you store it where the record sleeves slit is away from the plastic jacket slit.
Hmmm... I've never had an issue with dust getting in. I suppose it's possible... however, the inner sleeve opening is isn't directly exposed. I know some guys like those Japanese outer sleeves with the resealable openings for this very reason, but I don't like fussing around with them ...
Mason Moss put the inner sleeve's opening at 90 degrees from the outer sleeve's opening. I put the opening to line up with the opening on the jacket. Much harder for dust to sneak in with the openings of the outer and inner sleeves not matching up. Also, on the off chance you tip the whole combination the wrong way, the record itself won't slide out without the inner sleeve as well.
Hi, I thought ring wear was caused by incorrect storage, either by vertical stacking too tightly or by laying them flat on top of one another. Storing the record on the outside back of the sleeve only creates problems that were not designed. ie. not being able to see the back of the album.
Generally with most of my records, I put the records in hi quality inner sleeves and I put them in the Jacket. I put the original inner sleeve in the back of the outer clear cover so I can read the lyrics.
I do the same but I would never put the inner sleeve opening facing up. This is asking for fingerprints when you go to grab a record. This is of course if you’re extremely paranoid of accidentally touching a record.
I keep records inside of their jackets and I put them into their plastic sleeves with their opening on the opposite side of the jacket's (looking at the front cover, you slide the jacket out from the left). Also, you shouldn't experience ringware if your records are stored vertically and not too tight.
I use archival quality 6 mil standard sleeves. THE VERY BEST ON THE MARKET!!! Works PERFECTLY for single, double or triple!!! The Anthrax works just fine.
records are better protected inside the sleeve while stored on the shelf. the only need placing outside the cover while in the mail, if a record is thrown around during transit, like they do then the record only has to shift a few millimeters to rip through the inner sleeve as well as the outer sleeve.
I put the lp in its mofi sleeve in the back facing sideways for a bit more protection and so as not to need to remove the outer sleeve. No worries about ring wear except on used records that I buy that already have a bit of ring wear on the album cover.
Late to weigh in on this one, but it's a good topic...I always use new protective inner and outer sleeves, with the opening of the outer sleeve facing upwards like you show. I also tuck the record and inner sleeve behind the jacket in the outer sleeve, but I don't put the opening up. In other words, the opening for the inner sleeve is never aligned with the opening of the outer sleeve. Yes, It means you have to remove the inner sleeve to remove the records, but just one of those habits I've had for 40 years, and can't break. As for the inner sleeves that come with record, I never throw them away, just typically slide them back into the jacket so they're there if I want to pull it out and read or look at the artwork. Finally, I typically use oversized outer sleeves for gatefolds. Just easier. Some gatefolds will fit in the standard outer sleeves, typically if there is only one record, but I keep a supply of both standard and oversized. I very much enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work.
Loving the new intro, glad you kept the theme tune, it's really catchy! My original records from 30 years ago didn't get any special care and attention and they didn't get ring wear. I'm not sure how this method prevents ring wear, there is still the same amount of cardboard and vinyl and pressure (squeezing together) on the records when stored, unless I'm missing something. I put my records in replacement poly-sleeves but also keep them in the cover. I'd be willing to change my method if I can be convinced otherwise!
I don't like to worry too much about these things, as I think it takes out much of the fun. I keep my records clean, and in protective sleeves, but I don't do much else than that. But I only have about 150 records, so maybe I'll get more technical as my collection grows.
I put mine in the outer sleeve with the spine facing outward. I don't mind taking that extra few seconds to remove the sleeve and open the record for playing.
2003Cpayne When you put a lot of records like that next to each other, don't they press each others covers? Like the covers would get flattened or bent a bit?
Hi Frank. That was a quality nerdy answer. I would and do exactly the same. Only alternative is to have unsightly open side facing out. Works when pulling out but looks bad. I prefer the tightness of Blake sleeves personally but they ain't as practical. Just to end on a keeping the music comment. We can add the one third ourselves to the 33! Regards, Martin
In the interests of limited rack space my records don't have an outer polyurethane jacket but such a measure is definitely beneficial, particularly how they're done and stored here.
I keep my records seperated from the jacket in a nice cold and dusty attic on some old wooden planks underneath a window so they can see some nice warm sun.
wow - watching this for the first time today - I kind of suspected but never knew you did the theme song yourself - you need to do more songs - maybe a record a Christmas Song to be the theme song for a few episodes for the holidays
Nice tip. Usually for those records like Tom Petty Wildflower 3 LP, I Just bagged the jacket, then I put each lp in separate sleeves: The Original Carboard Sleeve and The LP in a mofi sleeve.
Thanks Frank! Love the song... Noticed right away the change up of clips, keep it up and change it around every once in a while. I've thought about doing my own custom song to fit the my channel, I just ended up pulling an intro off of one of my originals for the time being. I'm also so new I don't know exactly what direction I'll be headed with content ;) As for the sleeves, I've actully been trying several different combinations out to see what I like the most. I do what you do especially with records that are snug when you try and slide them back inthe jacket. My biggest gripe is those open top sleeves have the seam running down the side and it makes viewing the spine quite difficult at times. Recently I've been trying out the resealable sleeves and actually have been really leaning that direction for most my collection in the future. I've tryed both top loading and side loading to find I like the side loading better. It also puts the non seamed bottom of the sleeve on the spine and since these sleaves are crystal clear I can read everyone with out issue. I thought I would grow tired of opening and closing them but after I got used to it it isn't really that much more work. The only downfall I have noticed is when I want to show them off on camera I need to take them out of the sleeve because they reflect light really well. -Ron
Thanks Ron, much appreciated! I haven't had a chance to check out your channel, but will do it this week. It sounds right up my alley. I know a lot of people love the resealable sleeves. They are not for me ... The sticky part always gets stuck to the record for me. The key is finding what works for you, for sure. Cheers, Frank
the Pepsi inspired T shirt rocks, maybe I might start doing the album jacket sleeve behind I have to store all my records in those crappy cardboard apple boxes, can't afford a shelf to display my records, but I do my best to take care of them!
I bought some outer plastic sleeves and they all seem to be just a tad shorter than the record cover where the cardboard record jacket sticks out at least 1mm, defeating the reason why i bought these sleeves. Did I get defective sleeves? Are some brands of sleeves inferior to others? Any suggestions or advice?
Its great when you tell us how you like this idea I wish all my lps were in plastic sleeves I only put my rarest ones in them and if I did I would have to make another unit for the extra space your making it fun and interesting and thats good for me
I store mine similarly though I do it to avoid not only the ring wear but also seam splits. I use a resealable outer sleeve and, depending on the piece, I'll use a poly lined inner sleeve and place it in a generic card stock jacket but normally I'll just use the poly inner sleeve and place it behind the jacket in the bag.
Run a thin rope through a cork and run the rope through the spindle hole of the record so the cirk holds the record. Secure the string to the ceiling and enjoy.
Hey Frank - Great Video, as always. I don't use outer sleeves unless the album is old, delicate, and in bad shape (I have what my Dad said was his first LP - Benny Goodman's 1938 Carnegie Hall Jazz Concert (1950 release). It's in rough shape, but has sentimental value). I have pretty much run out of space, and outer sleeves add to the overall bulk width of the collection. In addition, many of the records I get are from thrifts, and are not really in need of protecting, as that ship has long sailed. Add to that the cost (my dough goes towards protecting the vinyl itself with Mo-Fi sleeves), and that's pretty much how I roll. Cheers.
This practice may have some pitfalls. Records can get scraped when exposed like this with no outer sleeve protection, even though they are in MoFi inner sleeves. I just won't take the chance. Also this practice will allow more dust to enter the sleeve and get on the record since the record is exposed on top attracting all those dust devils like a magnet.
My thoughts on reducing ring wear would just be to not pack your shelves so tight. Most of my jackets aren't super tight so I can't see ring wear happening on them unless all of my records were compressed together tightly for long periods of time. And I feel like having records sitting in the outer sleeve would just cause ring wear in the opposite direction (concave compared to the typical convex ring wear). I also don't keep shrink wrap on nor use super tight outers just to reduce the pressure on the jacket.
I use Mylar outer sleeves with the adhesive on the outside. I got into vinyl after comic books so I’m already very careful with the adhesive strips just as a habit. Secondly, I keep my vinyl in MoFi inner sleeves. I do not keep the inners outside of the sleeve jacket. I keep them in the jacket themselves. The reason is, MoFi inner sleeves have a white backing that has texture to it and I have the foresight to understand that even as careful as this sounds, a textured surface is abrasive against your sleeve art. So I store them on the inside of the jacket sleeve where they are naturally supposed to go. As an added benefit, I get to actually handle the jackets when I play the albums and since the artwork is an entire feature of this medium, I like to immerse myself in the artwork as I listen. To prevent ring wear, I keep my vinyl loosely stored on the shelf and vertical.
Interesting topic. I now store my records exactly like you. Putting the album behind the jacket also indicates to me that I have given a thorough spin-clean to the record before I file it away. I have not invested in Mofi inner sleeves yet because they are not available locally and they do cost quite a bit more than paper sleeves. I have not yet had problems with paper sleeves. Thanks for another great video! By the way, keep the intro theme song. It is distinct.
I have quite a thick album, with 4 records. Are there outer sleeves for those? While being able to stack the 4 records at the back with mofi inner sleeves?
I get it's more convenient to store them outside of the jacket but doesn't this expose the record to warping , pressure or any damage from the records pressing directly on it from the sides? That cardboard jacket offers some rigidity right? Just asking :)
After reading many of the comments it's easy to see how you store your records is dictated by how you enjoy & store your records. What is most important to you? Convenience? Album Art? Reading the lyrics? Reading the spine? Keeping the vinyl intact? Keeping the outer sleeve intact? What works for one person won't work for the next. But regardless of your preferences, there are lots of good suggestions below.
michael western Very true. I myself follow the philosophy of always keeping my records away from harm at all cost. After that comes the protection of the sleeve, preservation of my record player, art visibility and near the bottom is conveniance. Watching this video I realized I might want to store the really tightly fitted records outside instead. Some new ones I have already show ringwear signs while others from the 70s still look like new, so Im not too worried about those ones.
I look at ring wear as the outer jacket doing its job to protect the record inside as opposed to the record itself becoming a shield for the jacket, which is less important.
Legacy I would highly recommend buying inner sleeves for the record, even though I don’t really like the method shown in this video. Even if you store them in the record jacket, (which is what I do) paper sleeves can potentially scratch records any build static, plus they are much more difficult to smoothly insert and remove the records with. Of course, make sure you clean them before putting them in a new sleeve. This is of course only my opinion.
love the theme song! Another benefit of the record in a mofi sleeve outside of the original jacket = remove chances of seam splits. 180 gram vinyl in flimsy jackets = If you ordered online, you're lucky if it arrives without a seam split.
Yes, this is a BIG one, which I forgot to mention. It's so easy to get seam splits, especially with paper inners (ie. lyric sheets), if you're not careful. This is away to avoid the whole issue. Thanks for brining this up. Frank
Hi guys I love my collection but I always remove the plastic sleeves after I buy then shelve them for me seeing and feeling the album cover before spinning connects to it on small level & adds to the fun of vinyl cheers
I've been putting my records in plastic sleeves for quite some time. I'm glad I did because one of my dogs developed a nasty habit of peeing in the house. Unfortunately he was peeing on my vinyl stored on the bottom shelf! But fortunately they were all stored correctly and there was no damage! I did have to replace approx 160 sleeves. The dog is still alive
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you are so patient
@@itsmebeter3538 you can see that he is patient based on the last phrase, "the dog is still alive".
My cat used to do that too. The cat is DEAD!
Sounds like the sleeves saved the records AND the dog…
I do the same with the outer sleeve but I do keep the record within the actual record sleeve. It seems to get me to look at the artwork more.
Isn't vinyl a great hobby. These nice nerdy details makes it fun :) I'm using the same method. Like the new intro. Cheers. /Paul
I like to nerd out once in awhile as well. Good times! Thanks Paul.
Frank
A hobby? No no no, my friend.
Vinyl = life
Doesn't having the disk outside the jacket make it vulnerable to accidental scraping? I also think that many old records have ringwear because outer sleeves weren't widely used back in the day. Abrasion between jackets can also be prevented if they aren't rubbing too tightly with each other.
I thought the same thing about records getting scraped, even though they are in MoFi inner sleeves. I just won't take the chance. Also this practice will allow more dust to enter the sleeve and get on the record.
I do the same thing, only i put the insert or inner sleeve back in the jacket so it doesn't get damaged, folded or bent.
I always put mine back in the jacket - habit and have had no issues. I always put the whole jacket and all in from the top.
Shouldn't you put your inner sleeves sideways so you protect the record from dust by not having the opening exposed?
Robert Ian Hawdon This is exactly how i store my records!
Hi Robert! Definitely adding some extra protection by doing that. Looking over my records... some are opening up, some are sideways.
Cheers
Frank
Robert Ian Hawdon You don't need to the weight of the records between should be enough to keep your vinyl sealed from dust and other things it's also nifty if you worry about that make a custom piece of cardboard and Fit it to where it covers the cube of vinyl and it's perfect or you could dust. Storing them sideways could rip the sleeves. And if you're not. careful cause vinyl to slip out.
This is the absolutely right way to store the records
Robert Ian Hawdon. That’s the way I store my records
Interesting idea, I've received records bought over the internet with the record behind the jacket. I asked the seller why and he said it was to reduce/prevent ring wear during shipping. I never thought about how I was storing them. Just goes to show one is never to old to learn. Thanks for creating hours of work for me to redo my collection! Joking of course. Great tip, keep em coming!
Lance Van Pietersom Its actually more so to prevent seam splits. On some sleeves you might have seen that the top where the record is housed is damaged and ripped open a bit, revealing the white material under the cover image. This happens when the record moves around inside and wears down the sleeve with its sharp edges. Little by little over time or its ripped by violent shaking durring something like overseas shipping. Usually its the top because thats where the inner sleeve opening is. Although ringwear is also a concern. I always ask for my purchases online to be shipped with the record outside the jacket if possible.
The albums are stored back to back against each other on the shelves. So I don't understand the logic in putting the record outside the jacket to reduce ringwear, when you consider that this will cause the record to press against whichever next front jacket is wedged directly behind it. Also, the outer sleeves with the adhesive flaps (even though most people hate those) are better for having all four sides of the album sealed/protected and unable to have dirt, dust, or water enter.
I do it more for convenience... easy access to the record (for me). I'm clumsy, so the jackets with the adhesive tabs don't work for me, haha. I always get the sleeve stuck on that damn thing.
Cheers,
Frank
I don't like the idea of my albums exposed outside of the jacket in the back. I store them in the jacket with the outer sleeve opening on top, as for ring wear, that only comes from having too many records bunched together, and before the invention of outer sleeves. I have yet to notice any of my albums showing signs of ring wear with my method, but to each his/her own.
This technique i've been using for the last three years. I find it protects the seams on the cover also. Thanks for the video Frank, take care, George.
Cheers George.
How bout these benefits?
1. LP is More easily accessible, not sliding jackets in and out of out sleeves, therefore dramatically decreasing wear to the jacket, and preventing potential damage to OIS, lyric sheets, posters etc.
2. Preventing wear and foxing on the jacket opening, considering you grubby, greasy fingers and unkempt fingernails aren't staining and shredding the precious paper. No one likes a blown out, fuzzy, dirty hole.
3. You can now hide all kinds of things in those empty jackets from the wife (you know she dont like touching your vinyl) and cops, such as money, drugs, forged insurance/tax forms, tiny weapons and your secret paper doll collection.
I get the logic of the way you sleeve your records. I will do this with my collection this weekend.
Works well for me
Great tip man. I have the same problem with the outer jacket sliding off as I put the record back on the shelf. Will definitely switch the opening to the top from now on to prevent this from happening.
Enjoyed the fresh new intro too.
Cheers.
Anyone who matches the opening to the sleeve to the opening of the album jacket is a complete savage
I like the way you think...
\m/
Frank
I used to always put the outer sleeves on so that the top edge of the cardboard record cover was on the open side of the outer sleeve.
But now a more experienced vinyl collector has told me that this means that the cardboard record covers are not as well ventilated and moisture can collect between the cardboard record cover and the PE outer sleeve and that it is better to put the PE outer sleeve over so that the opening of the PE outer sleeve is in the same place as the opening of the cardboard record cover. The cardboard can then also "breathe" and no moisture can accumulate. He said that the outer sleeves are only there to prevent dust from getting into the record and to prevent the edges from being damaged so quickly when you take it out of the record rack, but the outer sleeves should not separate the cardboard record covers from the circulating air. Makes sense to me. I have now changed all my outer sleeves again so that the opening of the outer sleeves is on the side of the opening of the cardboard record cover.
Keep the song, is very catchy!
I used to always put the outer sleeves on so that the top edge of the cardboard record cover was on the open side of the outer sleeve.
But now a more experienced vinyl collector has told me that this means that the cardboard record covers are not as well ventilated and moisture can collect between the cardboard record cover and the PE outer sleeve and that it is better to put the PE outer sleeve over so that the opening of the PE outer sleeve is in the same place as the opening of the cardboard record cover. The cardboard can then also "breathe" and no moisture can accumulate. He said that the outer sleeves are only there to prevent dust from getting into the record and to prevent the edges from being damaged so quickly when you take it out of the record rack, but the outer sleeves should not separate the cardboard record covers from the circulating air. Makes sense to me. I have now changed all my outer sleeves again so that the opening of the outer sleeves is on the side of the opening of the cardboard record cover.
Been doing that for years. I have a wooden boxes where i put my records. I even get the record and not having to pull out the jacket cause i use diskeeper to store them
Frank i do put my records in the outer sleeves but i don't have enough to cover them all though still have more to buy to cover all the records the pain of owning a big collection I do not however put the records in the back of the sleeve i leave them in the jacket i do put the jacket in the sleeve the way you do just have to remove the jacket to remove the record
I don't use an outer sleeve, but I do put the record in a MoFi inner sleeve and place the (original) inner sleeve or insert into the record jacket behind the MoFi sleeve.
I don’t know how after all these years I didn’t realize there was a solution to the sliding sleeve issue lol. Thanks for this.
The "sliding sleeve" is a real pain....
cheers
Frank
Just found this - getting back into Vinyl after decades away - I store mine with LP in MOFi sleeve outside of jacket and I have the opening of the outer sleeve sideways to expose the spine for easy reading while on shelf
I do the same thing with the sleeves also to keep dust away from the records.
I'm *similar* in that I top-load the outer sleeve. I use a MoFi inner sleeve as well, and I had been storing it behind the outer jacket the way you do, but lately I've been putting the record (in the MoFi inner) back into the record sleeve if it isn't going to be a tight fit. It turns out that it bugs me not to be able to see the rear of the outer sleeve. I'm trying to balance keeping the records and sleeves in good shape, and also understanding that I'm not living in a museum and want to maximize the enjoyment of what I have.
All in all ... first-world problems. ;-)
Cheers! Tom
Haha, first world problems, indeed. At the end of the day, it's music, it's art, and it should be enjoyed.
Cheers Tom.
Frank
I go sleeveless - it just feels better for me and my collection.
Hey Frank
I am a year late but I finally got tired of stacking record crates and not seeing the majority of my records. I now stack them like shelves. Slowly going through each album and sleeving them as you recommended. Thanks for the video!
Thanks Virgil!
Hey Frank,
Great tips today, I do the same with keeping my albums in the plastic outer sleeves , only I decided to keep my albums inside the album jacket to help protect the vinyl like it was intended to do but I get why you and other people keep vinyl albums behind the jacks to reduce ring ware.
New intro looking great glad to hear your keeping the theme song! Take care and talk to you again soon.~ Jeff
Hi Jeff! So good to hear from you my friend. I know many, many people who store their records as you indicated. Everyone has their own way, which makes this hobby so interesting.
All the best,
Frank
Bags unlimited sells a special kind of bag for gatefold/double album that work kind of like the sleeve on a library book.
You sir! Just changed the way i will store my vinyl records from today!!!
I store my records the same in the fact that I keep the opening to the plastic sleeve at the top versus the side fore your aforementioned reason. But I dont keep the record outside the jacket. Personally for me I just dont find it necessary to do so as it takes like a second to take out the inner sleeve anyhow. Gently that is.
I don't like the idea of putting the plastic outer sleeve with the opening on top because dust more easily can get into the record sleeve from the top and not so much from the side.
@@theTORTUGAZUL But the dust will only land on the jacket, which is not a problem. I keep the inner sleeve, jacket, and outer sleeve all at 90 degrees to one another, so there's no way dust can make it all the way to the record itself.
That Now and Zen is sweet.
I store mine the same way nice to see I’m not the only one lol
some people say it’s wrong but I think your vinyl store it how you want to 🤷♂️
I do the same thing. it's been pretty effective in getting little to no ring wear.
Thanks for this I have seen this several times from various people and was always wondering the thoughts behind this. Great Tip. I also like the fact that this method prevents 'escapes' amongst my collection.
Cheers Jeff! The escapes are the worst!!!
I like the second “intro” thing best honestly. After you say drop the needle on the episode. Quick and to the point and pretty cool
I usually do this method for one offs, but for box sets- for example, the nevermind 30th, it just wouldnt be feasible. I'm fine with taking the records out because they at least fit in the box in a uniform manner.
For albums that I care most about I use two outer sleeves, one that is open at the side opening of the jacket and the other one is slid down over the top of the album and also over the other sleeve. This is more expensive but in my opinion worth the extra cost. For other records that are less important to me, I simply slide the outer sleeve over the top of the album.
I do not like putting the record on the outside of the album because as the records are being filed or filed through (when looking for a particular record) there is a potential possibility of damaging the record by way of pressure from fingers thereby causing eventual warping.
Ring wear is caused by the records being filed too tightly and close together. On a shelf there should be enough room so that when filing through the albums, the front label of the record can easily be seen at an angle.
I do sleeve all of my records in the MoFi sleeves, but I don't always put the records behind the jacket in the outer sleeve. I will do this with more rare records that I want to handle less, and typically they end up in an outer sleeve with a flap and seal. With gatefold 2LPs, I'll store both LPs in MoFi sleeves sandwiched in the gatefold cover while keeping the original sleeves in the jacket pockets. This way you can slide the records up out of the sleeve while leaving the gatefold cover in the outer sleeve.
It's funny you showed this method because that's how I do it with the outer sleeve going under opposed to sliding it on sideways.
I do the same , but I use clearbags with a flap. Protects the cover and makes it look like a brand new sealed album. It also fits the album perfectly.
Awesome. I know a lot of people who love those.
Frank
I just recently invested in outer and inner sleeves. I also arrange mine the same way you do so the outer sleeve doesn't bunch up and I put my records in the back of the outer sleeve. just way easier that way.
Awesome. Works for me as well.
Cheers, Brad
Frank
I store mine exactly the same way, record and any ephemera behind.
I do put the inner sleeve 90 degrees rotated, so that the opening matches the opening of a standard cover. This way there's less dust and no possibility of the record itself accidentally sliding out of both the inner and outer sleeve.
Good tip! Thanks for weighing in.
Frank
Wouldn't putting the record behind the jacket cause warping through the uneven weight between albums? Thanks.
Exactly.
Mason Moss Interesting. I have not heard of this before. I've never had an issue, as my records are stored vertically... tight but not too tight. I'd love to hear from anyone who has had issues. I'd like to learn more. Cheers!
But wouldn't the records still get dust due to it being exposed by the plastic slit or do you store it where the record sleeves slit is away from the plastic jacket slit.
Hmmm... I've never had an issue with dust getting in. I suppose it's possible... however, the inner sleeve opening is isn't directly exposed. I know some guys like those Japanese outer sleeves with the resealable openings for this very reason, but I don't like fussing around with them ...
Mason Moss put the inner sleeve's opening at 90 degrees from the outer sleeve's opening. I put the opening to line up with the opening on the jacket. Much harder for dust to sneak in with the openings of the outer and inner sleeves not matching up.
Also, on the off chance you tip the whole combination the wrong way, the record itself won't slide out without the inner sleeve as well.
Hi, I thought ring wear was caused by incorrect storage, either by vertical stacking too tightly or by laying them flat on top of one another. Storing the record on the outside back of the sleeve only creates problems that were not designed. ie. not being able to see the back of the album.
Generally with most of my records, I put the records in hi quality inner sleeves and I put them in the Jacket. I put the original inner sleeve in the back of the outer clear cover so I can read the lyrics.
Where do I put the second record with double records? Should I put one of the record’s between the gatefold?
Always keep the song, it's very catchy and it rocks like you do.
I do this and every outer sleeve I have has some ringwear, not the actual jacket. And I was wondering if this was normal?
I do the same but I would never put the inner sleeve opening facing up. This is asking for fingerprints when you go to grab a record. This is of course if you’re extremely paranoid of accidentally touching a record.
I keep records inside of their jackets and I put them into their plastic sleeves with their opening on the opposite side of the jacket's (looking at the front cover, you slide the jacket out from the left). Also, you shouldn't experience ringware if your records are stored vertically and not too tight.
I want to preserve the artwork of my vinyl sleeves what is the best way to do that?
I use archival quality 6 mil standard sleeves. THE VERY BEST ON THE MARKET!!! Works PERFECTLY for single, double or triple!!! The Anthrax works just fine.
records are better protected inside the sleeve while stored on the shelf. the only need placing outside the cover while in the mail, if a record is thrown around during transit, like they do then the record only has to shift a few millimeters to rip through the inner sleeve as well as the outer sleeve.
Hi. Doesn't this method cause extra pressure on records? Cheers.
Frank, how do you open a brand new record that has shrinkage wrap?
I put the lp in its mofi sleeve in the back facing sideways for a bit more protection and so as not to need to remove the outer sleeve. No worries about ring wear except on used records that I buy that already have a bit of ring wear on the album cover.
Is it possible you can send me a victrola LP suitcase for the LPS
Late to weigh in on this one, but it's a good topic...I always use new protective inner and outer sleeves, with the opening of the outer sleeve facing upwards like you show. I also tuck the record and inner sleeve behind the jacket in the outer sleeve, but I don't put the opening up. In other words, the opening for the inner sleeve is never aligned with the opening of the outer sleeve. Yes, It means you have to remove the inner sleeve to remove the records, but just one of those habits I've had for 40 years, and can't break. As for the inner sleeves that come with record, I never throw them away, just typically slide them back into the jacket so they're there if I want to pull it out and read or look at the artwork. Finally, I typically use oversized outer sleeves for gatefolds. Just easier. Some gatefolds will fit in the standard outer sleeves, typically if there is only one record, but I keep a supply of both standard and oversized.
I very much enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work.
T. Rex - The Slider spotted. Great band and album. Rock on!
This is how I have been storing my records for over 20 years. people ask, what about dust? I keep the room clean and I clean my records. great video!
Noticed this video was 7 years ago, any cons with storing records this way? And do you still use this method?
Hi... yup, still do this.
Loving the new intro, glad you kept the theme tune, it's really catchy! My original records from 30 years ago didn't get any special care and attention and they didn't get ring wear. I'm not sure how this method prevents ring wear, there is still the same amount of cardboard and vinyl and pressure (squeezing together) on the records when stored, unless I'm missing something. I put my records in replacement poly-sleeves but also keep them in the cover. I'd be willing to change my method if I can be convinced otherwise!
Hi Andy! For me, it's mostly about the convenience... easy to get out, without the fumbling.
Cheers man!
Frank
I don't like to worry too much about these things, as I think it takes out much of the fun. I keep my records clean, and in protective sleeves, but I don't do much else than that. But I only have about 150 records, so maybe I'll get more technical as my collection grows.
We sometimes obsess to much about our collections, haha. For me, this technique works because it's convenient.
Cheers Captain!
Frank
I put mine in the outer sleeve with the spine facing outward. I don't mind taking that extra few seconds to remove the sleeve and open the record for playing.
Perfect solution to the annoying problem I have. Thanks
Started storing like this. I like it.
I just tried this with one cube of records and it appears I can only fit half the amount of records as I could before. Is that typical?
Records do take up more room this way, yes.
I use regular sleeves from Music Record Shop and have never had a problem putting a double or even triple lp in them.
I put my records behind the jacket as well to help prevent seam splits and ring wear.
2003Cpayne When you put a lot of records like that next to each other, don't they press each others covers? Like the covers would get flattened or bent a bit?
If u put two sleeve records next to each othercause its a 2lp.u dont think its harsh for the records. ?Will they warp?
Hi Frank. That was a quality nerdy answer. I would and do exactly the same. Only alternative is to have unsightly open side facing out. Works when pulling out but looks bad. I prefer the tightness of Blake sleeves personally but they ain't as practical. Just to end on a keeping the music comment. We can add the one third ourselves to the 33! Regards, Martin
Cheers Martin. Thanks for the comment.
Frank "33 1/3" Landry
:)
In the interests of limited rack space my records don't have an outer polyurethane jacket but such a measure is definitely beneficial, particularly how they're done and stored here.
great video! im new to collecting lps and this tip seems like a lifesaver. thank you
Thanks for tuning in!!!!
Frank
That's not a terrible idea at all. I know what I am doing to my collection tomorrow.
I keep my records seperated from the jacket in a nice cold and dusty attic on some old wooden planks underneath a window so they can see some nice warm sun.
I need some advice on picking out a stylus. Ive been away from vinyl for a long time. I got a great turntable but need a cartridge. Help.
wow - watching this for the first time today - I kind of suspected but never knew you did the theme song yourself - you need to do more songs - maybe a record a Christmas Song to be the theme song for a few episodes for the holidays
I've been neglecting my guitar lately... I need to get back at it! Cheers Billy!
Nice tip. Usually for those records like Tom Petty Wildflower 3 LP, I Just bagged the jacket, then I put each lp in separate sleeves: The Original Carboard Sleeve and The LP in a mofi sleeve.
Thanks Frank! Love the song... Noticed right away the change up of clips, keep it up and change it around every once in a while. I've thought about doing my own custom song to fit the my channel, I just ended up pulling an intro off of one of my originals for the time being. I'm also so new I don't know exactly what direction I'll be headed with content ;)
As for the sleeves, I've actully been trying several different combinations out to see what I like the most. I do what you do especially with records that are snug when you try and slide them back inthe jacket. My biggest gripe is those open top sleeves have the seam running down the side and it makes viewing the spine quite difficult at times. Recently I've been trying out the resealable sleeves and actually have been really leaning that direction for most my collection in the future. I've tryed both top loading and side loading to find I like the side loading better. It also puts the non seamed bottom of the sleeve on the spine and since these sleaves are crystal clear I can read everyone with out issue. I thought I would grow tired of opening and closing them but after I got used to it it isn't really that much more work. The only downfall I have noticed is when I want to show them off on camera I need to take them out of the sleeve because they reflect light really well. -Ron
Thanks Ron, much appreciated! I haven't had a chance to check out your channel, but will do it this week. It sounds right up my alley.
I know a lot of people love the resealable sleeves. They are not for me ... The sticky part always gets stuck to the record for me. The key is finding what works for you, for sure.
Cheers,
Frank
the Pepsi inspired T shirt rocks, maybe I might start doing the album jacket sleeve behind I have to store all my records in those crappy cardboard apple boxes, can't afford a shelf to display my records, but I do my best to take care of them!
I bought some outer plastic sleeves and they all seem to be just a tad shorter than the record cover where the cardboard record jacket sticks out at least 1mm, defeating the reason why i bought these sleeves. Did I get defective sleeves? Are some brands of sleeves inferior to others? Any suggestions or advice?
Its great when you tell us how you like this idea I wish all my lps were in plastic sleeves I only put my rarest ones in them and if I did I would have to make another unit for the extra space your making it fun and interesting and thats good for me
I store mine similarly though I do it to avoid not only the ring wear but also seam splits. I use a resealable outer sleeve and, depending on the piece, I'll use a poly lined inner sleeve and place it in a generic card stock jacket but normally I'll just use the poly inner sleeve and place it behind the jacket in the bag.
What if I frame my jacket and hang it up, do I just leave my record in a inner sleeve by itself and store?
Run a thin rope through a cork and run the rope through the spindle hole of the record so the cirk holds the record. Secure the string to the ceiling and enjoy.
Hey Frank -
Great Video, as always.
I don't use outer sleeves unless the album is old, delicate, and in bad shape (I have what my Dad said was his first LP - Benny Goodman's 1938 Carnegie Hall Jazz Concert (1950 release). It's in rough shape, but has sentimental value). I have pretty much run out of space, and outer sleeves add to the overall bulk width of the collection.
In addition, many of the records I get are from thrifts, and are not really in need of protecting, as that ship has long sailed. Add to that the cost (my dough goes towards protecting the vinyl itself with Mo-Fi sleeves), and that's pretty much how I roll.
Cheers.
This practice may have some pitfalls. Records can get scraped when exposed like this with no outer sleeve protection, even though they are in MoFi inner sleeves. I just won't take the chance. Also this practice will allow more dust to enter the sleeve and get on the record since the record is exposed on top attracting all those dust devils like a magnet.
I use the re sealable but also keep albums tucked in the back as you do
My thoughts on reducing ring wear would just be to not pack your shelves so tight. Most of my jackets aren't super tight so I can't see ring wear happening on them unless all of my records were compressed together tightly for long periods of time. And I feel like having records sitting in the outer sleeve would just cause ring wear in the opposite direction (concave compared to the typical convex ring wear). I also don't keep shrink wrap on nor use super tight outers just to reduce the pressure on the jacket.
I use Mylar outer sleeves with the adhesive on the outside. I got into vinyl after comic books so I’m already very careful with the adhesive strips just as a habit. Secondly, I keep my vinyl in MoFi inner sleeves. I do not keep the inners outside of the sleeve jacket. I keep them in the jacket themselves. The reason is, MoFi inner sleeves have a white backing that has texture to it and I have the foresight to understand that even as careful as this sounds, a textured surface is abrasive against your sleeve art. So I store them on the inside of the jacket sleeve where they are naturally supposed to go. As an added benefit, I get to actually handle the jackets when I play the albums and since the artwork is an entire feature of this medium, I like to immerse myself in the artwork as I listen. To prevent ring wear, I keep my vinyl loosely stored on the shelf and vertical.
Interesting topic. I now store my records exactly like you. Putting the album behind the jacket also indicates to me that I have given a thorough spin-clean to the record before I file it away. I have not invested in Mofi inner sleeves yet because they are not available locally and they do cost quite a bit more than paper sleeves. I have not yet had problems with paper sleeves. Thanks for another great video! By the way, keep the intro theme song. It is distinct.
Thanks Cameron. Cheers!
Frank
How do you do this with double records?
Nice "best practices" tutorial. I do exactly the same!
Vinyl Brother Luis N.
I have quite a thick album, with 4 records. Are there outer sleeves for those? While being able to stack the 4 records at the back with mofi inner sleeves?
I get it's more convenient to store them outside of the jacket but doesn't this expose the record to warping , pressure or any damage from the records pressing directly on it from the sides? That cardboard jacket offers some rigidity right? Just asking :)
After reading many of the comments it's easy to see how you store your records is dictated by how you enjoy & store your records. What is most important to you? Convenience? Album Art? Reading the lyrics? Reading the spine? Keeping the vinyl intact? Keeping the outer sleeve intact? What works for one person won't work for the next. But regardless of your preferences, there are lots of good suggestions below.
michael western Very true. I myself follow the philosophy of always keeping my records away from harm at all cost. After that comes the protection of the sleeve, preservation of my record player, art visibility and near the bottom is conveniance. Watching this video I realized I might want to store the really tightly fitted records outside instead. Some new ones I have already show ringwear signs while others from the 70s still look like new, so Im not too worried about those ones.
Nailed it!!
That's a great Dannii Minogue track!
Great tips frank
I look at ring wear as the outer jacket doing its job to protect the record inside as opposed to the record itself becoming a shield for the jacket, which is less important.
adamgh0 True but the optimal solution would be to protect both. Thats vinyl for ya. Always fighting against degredation.
Storing the album outside of the jacket does not prevent ring wear. Plastic outer sleeves protect the album cover from ring wear.
Exactly.
Legacy I would highly recommend buying inner sleeves for the record, even though I don’t really like the method shown in this video. Even if you store them in the record jacket, (which is what I do) paper sleeves can potentially scratch records any build static, plus they are much more difficult to smoothly insert and remove the records with. Of course, make sure you clean them before putting them in a new sleeve. This is of course only my opinion.
Agree
love the theme song! Another benefit of the record in a mofi sleeve outside of the original jacket = remove chances of seam splits. 180 gram vinyl in flimsy jackets = If you ordered online, you're lucky if it arrives without a seam split.
Yes, this is a BIG one, which I forgot to mention. It's so easy to get seam splits, especially with paper inners (ie. lyric sheets), if you're not careful. This is away to avoid the whole issue. Thanks for brining this up.
Frank
Hi guys I love my collection but I always remove the plastic sleeves after I buy then shelve them for me seeing and feeling the album cover before spinning connects to it on small level & adds to the fun of vinyl cheers