the thing that i love about tyrannitar is that it is REALLY threatening, but not without counterplay its slow without dragon dance, its typing is filled by weaknesses to common coverage options like hp grass, hp bug and earthquake and it is scared of most fighting types and fighting type moves a really cool top tier pokemon
@@carnage0685 power creep, game freak seems to be on a mission to make their big hitters in current gens as BS as possible with stacked movepools and stat distributions, back in gen 3 you had like 135 as a cap, now its whatever it takes to make the mon busted.
I personally find the environment tyranitar creates to be very interesting, particularly with its interactions with items and the trade-offs and rewards it introduces. The effective "default state" for a pokemon is that it's taking sand damage, and healing it off with leftovers, and while these two effects nullify each other, it creates a balance that can incentivize trying to tip it one way or the other with knock off or weather-changing moves, as well as adding a drawback to items like choice band or berries. Sunny day and rain dance now have the added effect of giving your pokemon that aren't sand-immune passive recovery (or at least disabling sandstorm's chip damage,) while knock off, in most cases, has the added effect of applying a permanent damage-over-time effect that can't be easily removed.
Basically, a good dominate Pokémon can perform multiple roles effectively but each role has weaknesses that can be exploited. This increases creativity and adds an element of surprise in battle.
think a big reason they didn't keep it is only ice pokemon were immune compared to sands 3 types having immunity so it would incentivize a near pure ice team rather than just some ice abusers
Jimothy thank you for providing me with such amazing content to watch while stoned. Holy shit i could listen to you talk about Gen 3 tyranitar for hours
You are making me want to try competitive gen 3. It really seems much more balanced compared to the latest gens which just seem to be far more powercreepy (and you wait for the next OU definining pokemon with busted stats or busted abilities), AND you can use seemingly off-meta pokemon and get success because they counter typical uses of common Pokémon. I mean you can make a point for Sand Stream BEING a busted ability in Gen 3 but... i wonder how gen 3 would do without tyranitar ?
Compare gen 3 Tyranitar to Kingambit in gen 9 and you'll see exactly why people think it should be banned. It isn't just a powerful threat in the meta, it straight up eliminates what it's strong against then decides to eliminate everything else with Tera. Also Tyranitar doesn't create terrible 50/50s with boosted Sucker Punch.
Regarding what you were saying about ADV sand, I wonder how the meta would shift if it included the spdef boost to rocks. How that might tip the scale offensively or defensively. I'm not sure
I maintain the opinion that Gen 2 Snorlax is a bit much, and Gen 3 Tyranitar is more manageable and balanced. The solitary reason why Gen 2 Snorlax is so overwhelming is the generation-specific Rest + Sleep Talk interaction. It can stick around for way longer than it should be able to with Sleep Talk, because of how it worked in Gen 2. If Sleep Talk was banned, Snorlax itself would be at a similar power level to Gen 3 tyranitar, metagame shaping but not overcentralizing. Tyranitar also has a 4x weakness while Snorlax does not. Sleep Talk in Gen 2 could call Rest and reset the sleep cycle, if you don't know. And it would not deduct a Rest PP, only a Sleep Talk PP. this is the primary reason why snorlax is so broken in gen 2. in all subsequent generations it dropped below OU.
I'm not sure if you're trolling here, but just about this whole post is wrong. Here's why: • Snorlax in gen 2 only occasionally uses the rest-talk set. Curse and the meta's slow pace, along with the ability to max all stat exp (ev's in gsc) contribute to his placement as the best pokemon-not only in OU, but Ubers as well. • Snorlax is still OU in gen 3 and 4. So he did not drop below OU in subsequent gens. It actually took a nerf to the rest mechanics in gen 5 and obscene power creep before he finally fell, and he remained a top-tier giant in VGC for much longer. • Rest-talk is a niche strategy in gen 2 most commonly found on mons like Zapdos, heracross, machamp and tyranitar, the last three of which counter some Snorlax sets with their rest-talk sets. So ironically, rest-talk probably hurts lax more than it helps it in gen 2. (and yes, the last three of those counter rest-talk lax specifically with their own rest-talk sets-although heracross might have issues if the fourth lax slot is curse.) A few notes on where you may be going wrong: • although sleep talk can call rest, this still depletes sleep talk's 16pp, which means the fun and games will eventually end. It's more important to make progress than it is to live forever, so rest-talk sets are usually only used on pivots or set-up sweepers. Although mono-curse lax exists, it is exceedingly rare because of how much beats it and how passive it remains until its win-cons are met. as for pivot-lax, it's rare to use your "queen piece" as a mere pivot, like dragging a crown through mud. but it is occasionally done. • among gsc OU pokemon who beat rest-talk lax are the following (sorted by how they can beat the set): → by existing: umbreon, miltank, misdreavous, vaporeon → by existing, as long as it's not that one rest-talk set with [move x]: skarmory (fire blast), heracross (curse), tyranitar (eq) → by existing, as long as it doesn't switch in willy-nilly on hard hits: machamp, marowak, steelix, curse rhydon → by booming: cloyster, forry, eggs, gengar, golem…the usual suspects → by being a better version of snorlax: literally any snorlax with a set-up move → by being a budget version of snorlax: curse Kangaskhan, curse polygon2, probably curse lickitung (i dunno you can run the math on that one)…it's a lot of mons. I know this last set isn't OU, but that's my point. Even the niche strategies accidentally beat it. As an added bonus, this set is passive enough that both of the common spikes setters can abuse lax's passivity here to set up spikes. That leaves 7 Pokemon in OU that don't beat this set most of the time or use it to set spikes. So what does rest-talk lax do? basically it's just a more reliable way to pivot against zapdos, raikou and starmie while nullifying the threat of jynx and nidoking. And it honestly does a great job at this. if that's what your team needs, great. if not, pick a different lax. Hope this helps. :) Not trying to be mean or anything!
@@crazycoolkids00 Snorlax is mediocre in Gen3OU and kinda terrible in Gen4OU. In Gen4, it’s E tier in viability (lower than stuff like Camerupt and Slowbro) and would definitely not be OU if the tier wasn’t frozen.
@@fatchitanda I heard he kinda fell off in gen 4, but he still has a respected place in gen 3 ou. Besides that, his viability in gen 3 Ubers shows that the sand is really what hurts him-as opposed to a nerf to sleep talk or whatnot. I wonder if that's the case in gen 4 as well. …Imagine lax in gen 4 uu.
The only "bad" thing about ttar is that it outclasses any other rock type and makes them hard to fit (except for Aero), like ive never seen a team with ttar and regirock or rhydon for example. But still an almost perfect top tier But my opinion may suck cuz I have no gen 3 skill.
Regirock does have a niche in OU, it has some advantages over ttar like better physical bulk(lets it beat dugtrio and ttar) and access to explosion and counter that can get big KO’s against mons that otherwise would love facing ttar or aero. Armaldo has rapid spin and knock off so its usable as a utility mon to support the rest of the team by removing rocks and leftovers(Gengar hates losing lefties while trying to spinblock) Rhydon is bad but theoretically its a mid ground between ttar and Regirock, physically bulkier than ttar but stronger offensively than Regirock and STAB earthquake is theoretically very nice against rock resists like Swampert and especially Metagross/Jirachi which would otherwise be able to take an earthquake from ttar or Regirock.
@@virgiebabie6903 worse stats than Rhydon and while offensively the ground/rock type is amazing it really is crap in gen 3 OU It has rapid spin and explosion which is nice but its an unreliable spinner since Gengar can easily kill it with giga drain or HP grass, and the explosion matters little when it has neither the bulk to live a hit and then explode or high enough attack to actually scare away explosion switch-ins like Gengar or steel types. Rhydon just like in Gen 1 is simply stronger than Golem in the ways that actually matter: more attack and more bulk(which is why Rhydon is banned from UU but Golem isn’t) Explosion is a nice tool but if the only thing a pokemon can do to positively contribute is explode then its not good enough, at best you’re just trading 1 for 1 and at worst you are throwing away a pokemon to achieve nothing
So Regirock can be a really good partner for teams that don't like sand. You run like Regirock, Kingdra, Dugtrio and Snorlax. Dugtrio traps their ttar, then Kingra uses rain dance to clear out the sand, and then your Snorlax is an absolute wall.
@@deeznoots6241 I know these mons have niches its just that in my opinion (and Im Bad at this game) they are hard to fit because they always have their role as a rock type getting done better by ttar. I didnt know for armaldo tho thx for telling me 😀
I do think TTAR is pretty balanced for a top-tier mon. That said, permanent sandstorm is so oppressive. Considering all other weather conditions have no setters and short timers, sand should really be on a timer too. Yeah, sand balances out bulky chip healers like Blissey and Snorlax, but it also makes other novel strategies like drio flail, rain, and pinch berries unplayable in the format.
Pinch berry sweepers would also be really annoying if sand wasn't in. Salac Hera is one of the best offensive mons in Ubers even with legendaries running around. Would probably be really dominant in OU without sand
@@anuncomfortablenewt4006 Superman teams tend to not run Ttar, and are pretty strong. The idea is to stack flying/levitate pokemon (usually at least 4 but sometimes all 6) so you just don't care about spikes at all.
STOP DOING [Gen 3] OU Past Gens WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN Vīability Rankings YEARS OF Toxic, Sandstorm and Spikes yet NO REAL-WORLD USE FOUND FOR Metagames with no Team Preview Wanted to [Move]: Baton Pass anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that, it was called “Anything Goes” “Yes please give me Physical Offence archetype, please give me 6 POKEMON Immune To: GROUND” - Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged LOOK at what Community ContributorS have been demanding your respect for all this time, with all the Damage calculators and the Usage stats we built for them (This is REAL Sets, done by REAL Moderators): Claydol @ Leftovers Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 HP / 216 ATK / 32 SpA / 8 Spe Adamant Nature - Rapid Spin - Earthquake - Stealth Rock - Explosion ????????????????????????????? Blissey @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Cure EVs: 44 HP / 252 Def / 212 SpA Bold Nature - Soft-Boiled - Ice Beam - Seismic Toss - Thunder Wave ????????????????????????????? Electrode @ Liechi Berry Ability: Soundproof EVs: 164 ATK / 168 SpA / 176 Spe Hasty Nature - Thunderbolt - Thunder Wave - Hidden Power Grass - Explosion ????????????????????????????? “Hello I would like [Choice Band] [Explosion] please” They have played us for absolute fools
Somehow Tyranitar's bulk as well a lack of fighting types in adv ou (and Heracross is hardly a feasible choice for switching into rock slides) might have been a contributing factor for it being rated high as it is. Not being able to 2HKO certain switchins after a DD sucks though.
Mixed Attacking balanced Stats on Pokémon will a good collection of attacking and utility moves is SOO MUCH better as a metagame than minmaxed hyper attackers or pure walls.
That actually is a good question. Aside from the obvious picks, what items are good to run in gen 3? The item variety is a lot more limited - no specs, no scarf, no life orb, no black sludge. Lefties is universally good, but other options tend to be more set-dependent. Chesto on rest sets, Lum on setup sweepers, Choice Band for a physical wallbreaker, type-boosting items as a less-commital Choice item, White Herb if you run Overheat? You might bw forced into running something like Brightpowder just because there arent enough good general options, but that sounds like ass to play against - any sweeper might just randomly roll a 10% miss to lose the game in a critical moment.
Dear Jimothy Cool, Please stop making videos on how awesome pokemon that are good against sun teams are. Please make more videos on how incredible pokemon like dugtrio, magneton, metagross, skarmory, claydol, and swampert are. Thank you. (Also I have a meme t-tar set called T-Bolt T-Tar that isn't exactly awful but isn't great either. Roar T-Bolt Ice beam and Crunch. It's so weird it sometimes catches people off guard when I use it as a lead.)
Charizard and Moltres sometimes run Sunny Day to cancel TTar's sand, and to boost their fire type attacks. Kingdra does the same, but with Rain Dance and Swift Swim
ZapDug teams with rain dance cune/kingdra etc are ways ppl combat infinite sand. Basically you chip tar with zap for example and then dug comes in to trap and then the weather clear mon (rd cune for example) is used as the wincon.
If tyranitar is so commonplace why don't dedicated sandstorm teams dominate? Are there really that many teams that counter sand and also run tyranitar?
Keep in mind this is Gen 3 Sand, no SpDef boost and not as many Sand Abusing Abilities or Sand Abusing mons that are as powerful as Ttar. And yes, every Ttar set has a weakness to a viable set and or team style.
The word tea basically only has 2 variations across all languages. The tea one and cha. Cha is used mostly in east Asia like Japan where the new dlc is taking place in. It's basically the same pun as polteageist just with a name change to fit the japanese theming
I received an intel tip from Iron Brian; Iron Bugulis. Due to all the -ugulis Pokemon being in the same crime ring ruining Pokemon metagames across the spacetime continuum (Iron Jugulis, Mugulis, Chugulis, and potentially Chugjugulis), and knowing the Paradox names Raging Bolt and Iron Crown are fake identities given to Long/Tall (?) Necc and Iron Brian respectively, he thinks Iron Moth is actually a false identity given to the real Paradox Pokemon, Iron Bugulis. His past paradox contact, Long Necc, has connected this to Old Money's fake ID black market that allowed Iron Mugulis to travel to Gen 1. Whether Iron Bugulis is a victim of identity theft or an active participant of the organized crime, Iron Brian recommends us to keep an eye on the mechanical bugger, and in case he is also an ID thief, we need Pawmot or Rabsca to finally revive Great Tusk to Headlong Rush this criminal scum into Pokeprison for good. Spread the PSA!
I've been enjoying the Gen 3 content recently and went back and watched a bunch of gameplay videos. I noticed that Baton Pass isn't banned, which from the perspective of a Gen 4+ player baffles me. Maybe you could do a video like the "Dugtrio isn't banned in Gen 3 OU. But why?" explaining it? I'm sure you explain it in videos somewhere but it might warrant its own video
I just realized that Dragapult is stronger Ttar. It works as a pivot, support, special, mixed, physical, or outright win condition. It even has the variety within sets like physical sets running shadow ball to break physical walls like dozo or vice versa. Plus you can run wisp hex on special sets or shadow ball+ coverage or uturn. It just has the advantage of being obscenely fast.
Not similar. At least in current gens, t tar was used as mostly sand support and choice band wallbreaker sets. It isn’t used much as a pivot, and in terms of stats its stronger than dragapult in pretty much everything other than the most important, speed. Dragapult is simply the boring mon you have to use on some teams, like zapdos or moltres
@@SeventhGod77 dragapults only has 3 real options to use. Specs, dual screens and the hex will o wisp set. Most have only ever used specs. Its a wallbreaker and pivot, maybe a support mon. T tar has a lot more, but is very clearly not a pivot
Because, paradoxically, Gen 2 OU would become an absolute stall fest without Snorlax, Lax is not only a defensive behemoth, it's also arguably the most important offensive piece in that metagame, Curse and Belly Drum Lax are pretty much the only way to consistently break through what's essentially the bulkiest meta ever, BKC has a great video on that subject I think
Hi Jimothy! What’s your suggested move set for a Timid Tyranitar and EV spread I Just got him as a shiny and would like to keep him for my competitive team. I can't use dragon dance BTW. Thank you very much and appreciate it in advance
The Power of Gen 3 Blaziken.
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chikin is too powerful
The power of gen 3 Tropius
Chronomon HM Is Stronger!
The concept of running Counter on a Dragon Dance set for anything is frankly hilarious
I just hope Iron Chugulis doesn't gain strength and transform into the menacing Iron ChugJugulis, otherwise he may wipe out tomato town!
Im getting my death note, you’re getting drowned in chug jug fluid.
Have a like tho
Iron Chungusilis
Iron Sugondees
They are actually plotting a robbery upon old money's vault to steal the rare megaironjugulite to enable megaironjugulis to conquer the world
Remember tilted towers? That was him
Ok I was fine with dusclops or flareon, but the idea of TYRANITAR in adv of all things is too far buddy.
the thing that i love about tyrannitar is that it is REALLY threatening, but not without counterplay
its slow without dragon dance, its typing is filled by weaknesses to common coverage options like hp grass, hp bug and earthquake and it is scared of most fighting types and fighting type moves
a really cool top tier pokemon
Since the downfall of Iron Mugulis, Jimothy's uplaods have risen to OU
Don't let ttar's lots of weaknesses fool ya, it's powerful I'll tell ya
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LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT WHEN CELEBI WAS ANNOYED TOO
I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot of this guy in the epic upcoming tournament
If tyranitar was made in gen 9 it would have 184 attack or 150 hp and 20 special attack
We do have Tyranitar in gen 9, it is called Iron Thorns. And it is dogshit.
what
Why would it have that
@@carnage0685 power creep, game freak seems to be on a mission to make their big hitters in current gens as BS as possible with stacked movepools and stat distributions, back in gen 3 you had like 135 as a cap, now its whatever it takes to make the mon busted.
@@0vos30 BST less than OG T-Tar itself
Calling gen 2 slow while invoking BKC…Jim is gaming on levels I didn’t know were possible
I personally find the environment tyranitar creates to be very interesting, particularly with its interactions with items and the trade-offs and rewards it introduces. The effective "default state" for a pokemon is that it's taking sand damage, and healing it off with leftovers, and while these two effects nullify each other, it creates a balance that can incentivize trying to tip it one way or the other with knock off or weather-changing moves, as well as adding a drawback to items like choice band or berries. Sunny day and rain dance now have the added effect of giving your pokemon that aren't sand-immune passive recovery (or at least disabling sandstorm's chip damage,) while knock off, in most cases, has the added effect of applying a permanent damage-over-time effect that can't be easily removed.
Basically, a good dominate Pokémon can perform multiple roles effectively but each role has weaknesses that can be exploited. This increases creativity and adds an element of surprise in battle.
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I mean he do content about pokémon showdown what do type of UA-camr u thought it would be 😅
@@AI-DreigonGPT Food eating content.
Tyranitar will always be the goat OU Pokémon
For me it's heatran, never once fell to UU.
Does tyranitar learn High Goatpower?
give my son slack off, sucker punch, and bring back pursuit
I love doing Gen 3 OU using randomized Pokemon team, and Tyranitar made me struggle
Absolute beast. Last gen I used him as Sp. Def wall.
The new Snow mechanic shouldve kept the chip damage while still adding the 50% def boost, just like sandstream for SpDef
And make so Steel and either Fire or Water are immune to the chip
So that everyone’s happy
think a big reason they didn't keep it is only ice pokemon were immune compared to sands 3 types having immunity so it would incentivize a near pure ice team rather than just some ice abusers
@@goGothitaLOL not steel, they already have sandstorm for that. Maybe give it to fire & grass types
Ironically, one of the only psuedo legendaries that plays nice with the competetive scene, despite being named after the word "Tyrant".
Creating a pseudo for every weather!
Huitzilla
Type: Psychic/Fighting
Ability: Drought (Hidden Ability: Moxie)
Base Stats: 100-135-95-110-100-60
Notable Moves: Psychic, Psyshock, Psycho Cut, Zen Headbutt, Close Combat, Revenge, Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Solar Beam, Solar Blade, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Trailblaze, Crunch, Dark Pulse, Rock Slide, Stone Edge, Ancient Power, Iron Head, Flash Cannon, Bulk Up, Swords Dance, Morning Sun, Sunny Day, Calm Mind
Typhenemis
Type: Dark/Flying
Ability: Drizzle (Hidden Ability: Regenerator)
Base Stats: 110-80-90-120-110-90
Notable Moves: Dark Pulse, Snarl, Crunch, Punishment, Hurricane, Air Slash, Aerial Ace, Fly, Hydro Pump, Surf, Wave Crash, Whirlpool, Flip Turn, U-Turn, Bug Buzz, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Earth Power, Ancient Power, Power Gem, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Rain Dance, Aqua Ring, Nasty Plot, Tailwind, Defog, Parting Shot
Winterpard
Type: Ice/Fairy
Ability: Snow Warning (Hidden Ability: Sheer Force)
Base Stats: 70-125-110-115-60-120
Notable Moves: Icicle Spear, Icicle Crash, Ice Fang, Ice Beam, Blizzard, Freeze-Dry, Play Rough, Dazzling Gleam, Moonblast, Draining Kiss, Earthquake, High Horsepower, Earth Power, Thunder Fang, Iron Head, Metal Claw, Flash Cannon, Snowscape, Aurora Veil, Crunch, Hone Claws, Work Up, Misty Terrain, Charm, Shadow Claw, Dragon Claw, Slash, X-Scissor
Jimothy thank you for providing me with such amazing content to watch while stoned. Holy shit i could listen to you talk about Gen 3 tyranitar for hours
Gen 3 Tyrannitar = Melee Fox
The money has, indeed, become different.
For real, though, as someone who was around and active on Serebii RMT when Adv was the current gen, these videos are amazing.
Bro I don’t even play gen 3 but I watch all of these videos because I love your commentary and editing style keep up the great work!
Amazing video!! DD tar getting owned by a dugtrio does feel like a goofy uno reverse card tho :)
Tyranitar is insane
You are making me want to try competitive gen 3. It really seems much more balanced compared to the latest gens which just seem to be far more powercreepy (and you wait for the next OU definining pokemon with busted stats or busted abilities), AND you can use seemingly off-meta pokemon and get success because they counter typical uses of common Pokémon.
I mean you can make a point for Sand Stream BEING a busted ability in Gen 3 but... i wonder how gen 3 would do without tyranitar ?
you should make a video about something cool like race cars
That's smart.
I love how iron chugulis is RU aith 180 Spa and and 150 speed
It’s RU because most people are merciful enough not to use it against their opponents.
It’s RU because most people are merciful enough not to use it against their opponents.
Its only attacks are Constrict and poison sting. It's more of a wall that does nothing
Compare gen 3 Tyranitar to Kingambit in gen 9 and you'll see exactly why people think it should be banned. It isn't just a powerful threat in the meta, it straight up eliminates what it's strong against then decides to eliminate everything else with Tera. Also Tyranitar doesn't create terrible 50/50s with boosted Sucker Punch.
like everything else in gen 9 gambit is not the problem it is tera!!!!
Perhaps only gen 7 landorus therian has comparable set variety, that's also a good video idea
jimothycool is the best gen3sef in gen3sef
You've inspired me to play Gen 3 OU.
honestly this makes me wonder how different the meta game would be if ninetails and politoed got access to drought and drizzle this gen
Regarding what you were saying about ADV sand, I wonder how the meta would shift if it included the spdef boost to rocks. How that might tip the scale offensively or defensively. I'm not sure
Tyranitar might be able to live hits and strike back. Starmie comes to mind for example.
Anakin Skywalker disapproves of Tyranitar. He seems to be very content with Gen 9 OU
I maintain the opinion that Gen 2 Snorlax is a bit much, and Gen 3 Tyranitar is more manageable and balanced.
The solitary reason why Gen 2 Snorlax is so overwhelming is the generation-specific Rest + Sleep Talk interaction. It can stick around for way longer than it should be able to with Sleep Talk, because of how it worked in Gen 2. If Sleep Talk was banned, Snorlax itself would be at a similar power level to Gen 3 tyranitar, metagame shaping but not overcentralizing.
Tyranitar also has a 4x weakness while Snorlax does not.
Sleep Talk in Gen 2 could call Rest and reset the sleep cycle, if you don't know. And it would not deduct a Rest PP, only a Sleep Talk PP. this is the primary reason why snorlax is so broken in gen 2. in all subsequent generations it dropped below OU.
I'm not sure if you're trolling here, but just about this whole post is wrong. Here's why:
• Snorlax in gen 2 only occasionally uses the rest-talk set. Curse and the meta's slow pace, along with the ability to max all stat exp (ev's in gsc) contribute to his placement as the best pokemon-not only in OU, but Ubers as well.
• Snorlax is still OU in gen 3 and 4. So he did not drop below OU in subsequent gens. It actually took a nerf to the rest mechanics in gen 5 and obscene power creep before he finally fell, and he remained a top-tier giant in VGC for much longer.
• Rest-talk is a niche strategy in gen 2 most commonly found on mons like Zapdos, heracross, machamp and tyranitar, the last three of which counter some Snorlax sets with their rest-talk sets. So ironically, rest-talk probably hurts lax more than it helps it in gen 2. (and yes, the last three of those counter rest-talk lax specifically with their own rest-talk sets-although heracross might have issues if the fourth lax slot is curse.)
A few notes on where you may be going wrong:
• although sleep talk can call rest, this still depletes sleep talk's 16pp, which means the fun and games will eventually end. It's more important to make progress than it is to live forever, so rest-talk sets are usually only used on pivots or set-up sweepers. Although mono-curse lax exists, it is exceedingly rare because of how much beats it and how passive it remains until its win-cons are met. as for pivot-lax, it's rare to use your "queen piece" as a mere pivot, like dragging a crown through mud. but it is occasionally done.
• among gsc OU pokemon who beat rest-talk lax are the following (sorted by how they can beat the set):
→ by existing: umbreon, miltank, misdreavous, vaporeon
→ by existing, as long as it's not that one rest-talk set with [move x]: skarmory (fire blast), heracross (curse), tyranitar (eq)
→ by existing, as long as it doesn't switch in willy-nilly on hard hits: machamp, marowak, steelix, curse rhydon
→ by booming: cloyster, forry, eggs, gengar, golem…the usual suspects
→ by being a better version of snorlax: literally any snorlax with a set-up move
→ by being a budget version of snorlax: curse Kangaskhan, curse polygon2, probably curse lickitung (i dunno you can run the math on that one)…it's a lot of mons. I know this last set isn't OU, but that's my point. Even the niche strategies accidentally beat it.
As an added bonus, this set is passive enough that both of the common spikes setters can abuse lax's passivity here to set up spikes.
That leaves 7 Pokemon in OU that don't beat this set most of the time or use it to set spikes.
So what does rest-talk lax do? basically it's just a more reliable way to pivot against zapdos, raikou and starmie while nullifying the threat of jynx and nidoking. And it honestly does a great job at this. if that's what your team needs, great. if not, pick a different lax.
Hope this helps. :) Not trying to be mean or anything!
@@crazycoolkids00 Snorlax is mediocre in Gen3OU and kinda terrible in Gen4OU. In Gen4, it’s E tier in viability (lower than stuff like Camerupt and Slowbro) and would definitely not be OU if the tier wasn’t frozen.
@@fatchitanda I heard he kinda fell off in gen 4, but he still has a respected place in gen 3 ou. Besides that, his viability in gen 3 Ubers shows that the sand is really what hurts him-as opposed to a nerf to sleep talk or whatnot. I wonder if that's the case in gen 4 as well.
…Imagine lax in gen 4 uu.
As a RU player oh man im gonna miss Tyranitar ( and a bit of Torkoal )
Iron Chugulis already exist it's Iron Jugulis april fools sprite ( i like to call is Chug Jugulis )
The only "bad" thing about ttar is that it outclasses any other rock type and makes them hard to fit (except for Aero), like ive never seen a team with ttar and regirock or rhydon for example. But still an almost perfect top tier
But my opinion may suck cuz I have no gen 3 skill.
Regirock does have a niche in OU, it has some advantages over ttar like better physical bulk(lets it beat dugtrio and ttar) and access to explosion and counter that can get big KO’s against mons that otherwise would love facing ttar or aero.
Armaldo has rapid spin and knock off so its usable as a utility mon to support the rest of the team by removing rocks and leftovers(Gengar hates losing lefties while trying to spinblock)
Rhydon is bad but theoretically its a mid ground between ttar and Regirock, physically bulkier than ttar but stronger offensively than Regirock and STAB earthquake is theoretically very nice against rock resists like Swampert and especially Metagross/Jirachi which would otherwise be able to take an earthquake from ttar or Regirock.
@@deeznoots6241so if Rhydon is bad, what about his brother Golem who can explode? Surely that’s gotta be worth something
@@virgiebabie6903 worse stats than Rhydon and while offensively the ground/rock type is amazing it really is crap in gen 3 OU
It has rapid spin and explosion which is nice but its an unreliable spinner since Gengar can easily kill it with giga drain or HP grass, and the explosion matters little when it has neither the bulk to live a hit and then explode or high enough attack to actually scare away explosion switch-ins like Gengar or steel types. Rhydon just like in Gen 1 is simply stronger than Golem in the ways that actually matter: more attack and more bulk(which is why Rhydon is banned from UU but Golem isn’t)
Explosion is a nice tool but if the only thing a pokemon can do to positively contribute is explode then its not good enough, at best you’re just trading 1 for 1 and at worst you are throwing away a pokemon to achieve nothing
So Regirock can be a really good partner for teams that don't like sand. You run like Regirock, Kingdra, Dugtrio and Snorlax. Dugtrio traps their ttar, then Kingra uses rain dance to clear out the sand, and then your Snorlax is an absolute wall.
@@deeznoots6241 I know these mons have niches its just that in my opinion (and Im Bad at this game) they are hard to fit because they always have their role as a rock type getting done better by ttar.
I didnt know for armaldo tho thx for telling me 😀
Gen 3 Tyranitar also has a lot of literal beauty, since he has amazing front and back sprites
I like to run hp grass on tyranitar so he can force swampert to touch grass.
Based T-tar
oh no, iron mugulis was a problem and now we have iron chugulis
I do think TTAR is pretty balanced for a top-tier mon. That said, permanent sandstorm is so oppressive. Considering all other weather conditions have no setters and short timers, sand should really be on a timer too.
Yeah, sand balances out bulky chip healers like Blissey and Snorlax, but it also makes other novel strategies like drio flail, rain, and pinch berries unplayable in the format.
Pinch berry sweepers would also be really annoying if sand wasn't in. Salac Hera is one of the best offensive mons in Ubers even with legendaries running around. Would probably be really dominant in OU without sand
@@jimothycool That's probably true. It would be nice to build a team that doesn't have to either have TTAR or have to fully build around sand though.
@@anuncomfortablenewt4006 Superman teams tend to not run Ttar, and are pretty strong. The idea is to stack flying/levitate pokemon (usually at least 4 but sometimes all 6) so you just don't care about spikes at all.
This is insane
STOP DOING [Gen 3] OU
Past Gens WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN Vīability Rankings
YEARS OF Toxic, Sandstorm and Spikes yet NO REAL-WORLD USE FOUND FOR Metagames with no Team Preview
Wanted to [Move]: Baton Pass anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that, it was called “Anything Goes”
“Yes please give me Physical Offence archetype, please give me 6 POKEMON Immune To: GROUND” - Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
LOOK at what Community ContributorS have been demanding your respect for all this time, with all the Damage calculators and the Usage stats we built for them
(This is REAL Sets, done by REAL Moderators):
Claydol @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 216 ATK / 32 SpA / 8 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
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Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Def / 212 SpA
Bold Nature
- Soft-Boiled
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
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Electrode @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 164 ATK / 168 SpA / 176 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Hidden Power Grass
- Explosion
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“Hello I would like [Choice Band] [Explosion] please”
They have played us for absolute fools
Tournament is gonna be hype
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I love tyranitar. My favourite set is taunt + toxic
The remakes shoulda given Ttar his old sauce back. Mainly bdsp
Hey Jimothy. Long time viewer and superfan here. Id love to see a video about the effect hidden power has on gen 3.
I think he is kind of a lizard and that's awesome
Somehow Tyranitar's bulk as well a lack of fighting types in adv ou (and Heracross is hardly a feasible choice for switching into rock slides) might have been a contributing factor for it being rated high as it is.
Not being able to 2HKO certain switchins after a DD sucks though.
So, basically, Tyranitar is to Gen 3 OU what Fox is to competitive Melee.
Mixed Attacking balanced Stats on Pokémon will a good collection of attacking and utility moves is SOO MUCH better as a metagame than minmaxed hyper attackers or pure walls.
how to nerft leftovers in older gens = Item Clause
That actually is a good question. Aside from the obvious picks, what items are good to run in gen 3?
The item variety is a lot more limited - no specs, no scarf, no life orb, no black sludge. Lefties is universally good, but other options tend to be more set-dependent. Chesto on rest sets, Lum on setup sweepers, Choice Band for a physical wallbreaker, type-boosting items as a less-commital Choice item, White Herb if you run Overheat?
You might bw forced into running something like Brightpowder just because there arent enough good general options, but that sounds like ass to play against - any sweeper might just randomly roll a 10% miss to lose the game in a critical moment.
Why nerf it when it isn't broken, item clause is a dumb restriction anyway
@@kayoh9364The pinch berries are pretty good. Some guys can do no item and use thief to steal the leftovers.
I love my sweet monster boyo.
Iron Jugulis? Oh great now there are two of them!
On 0:20 why does tyranitar hp goes back full?
It just cuts to another scene :)
Dear Jimothy Cool,
Please stop making videos on how awesome pokemon that are good against sun teams are.
Please make more videos on how incredible pokemon like dugtrio, magneton, metagross, skarmory, claydol, and swampert are.
Thank you.
(Also I have a meme t-tar set called T-Bolt T-Tar that isn't exactly awful but isn't great either.
Roar T-Bolt Ice beam and Crunch.
It's so weird it sometimes catches people off guard when I use it as a lead.)
This is the #1 mon in OU idk
Im interested if there are any viable strategies with sun, rain, or hail to combat infinite sand?
Charizard does run sunny day to shove sand off and boosts its fire blasts
Charizard and Moltres sometimes run Sunny Day to cancel TTar's sand, and to boost their fire type attacks.
Kingdra does the same, but with Rain Dance and Swift Swim
ZapDug teams with rain dance cune/kingdra etc are ways ppl combat infinite sand.
Basically you chip tar with zap for example and then dug comes in to trap and then the weather clear mon (rd cune for example) is used as the wincon.
Great tusk 2 tera ghost close combat, they won't fall this time
I miss 70bp physical hidden power
Iron Chugulis is so scary!
If tyranitar is so commonplace why don't dedicated sandstorm teams dominate? Are there really that many teams that counter sand and also run tyranitar?
Keep in mind this is Gen 3 Sand, no SpDef boost and not as many Sand Abusing Abilities or Sand Abusing mons that are as powerful as Ttar. And yes, every Ttar set has a weakness to a viable set and or team style.
I hate sand, it’s course and gets between your toes
Tyranitar is the Tony Soprano of Gen 3 OU.
He also the best kaiju pokemon
Any other Godzilla shaped pokemon looks so bad compared to our Tyrant
@@gabrielmotta2463Old mecha Ttar is pretty cool
@@gabrielmotta2463Groudon.. Rayquaza.. Giratina, Eternatus. Coolest non-Uber though.
I understand the pun in Sinistea, Iron Mugulis, and Iron Chugulis. Can someone explain the pun in Polchageist?
The word tea basically only has 2 variations across all languages. The tea one and cha. Cha is used mostly in east Asia like Japan where the new dlc is taking place in.
It's basically the same pun as polteageist just with a name change to fit the japanese theming
I received an intel tip from Iron Brian; Iron Bugulis. Due to all the -ugulis Pokemon being in the same crime ring ruining Pokemon metagames across the spacetime continuum (Iron Jugulis, Mugulis, Chugulis, and potentially Chugjugulis), and knowing the Paradox names Raging Bolt and Iron Crown are fake identities given to Long/Tall (?) Necc and Iron Brian respectively, he thinks Iron Moth is actually a false identity given to the real Paradox Pokemon, Iron Bugulis. His past paradox contact, Long Necc, has connected this to Old Money's fake ID black market that allowed Iron Mugulis to travel to Gen 1. Whether Iron Bugulis is a victim of identity theft or an active participant of the organized crime, Iron Brian recommends us to keep an eye on the mechanical bugger, and in case he is also an ID thief, we need Pawmot or Rabsca to finally revive Great Tusk to Headlong Rush this criminal scum into Pokeprison for good. Spread the PSA!
I've been enjoying the Gen 3 content recently and went back and watched a bunch of gameplay videos. I noticed that Baton Pass isn't banned, which from the perspective of a Gen 4+ player baffles me. Maybe you could do a video like the "Dugtrio isn't banned in Gen 3 OU. But why?" explaining it? I'm sure you explain it in videos somewhere but it might warrant its own video
tell me why i get this notification after i finished my reocrding of how good sand is in ADV????
IRON CHUNGULUS⁉️⁉️⁉️🤯🤯🤯
Hey @jimothycool, do you still do team doctor? If yeah where can I submit my team?
Awesome vid, but the plosives in the voiceover is a bit jarring. Speaking into the mic at a diagonal or getting a pop-filter would do wonders
We need to defeat iron mugulis
I just realized that Dragapult is stronger Ttar. It works as a pivot, support, special, mixed, physical, or outright win condition. It even has the variety within sets like physical sets running shadow ball to break physical walls like dozo or vice versa. Plus you can run wisp hex on special sets or shadow ball+ coverage or uturn. It just has the advantage of being obscenely fast.
Not similar. At least in current gens, t tar was used as mostly sand support and choice band wallbreaker sets. It isn’t used much as a pivot, and in terms of stats its stronger than dragapult in pretty much everything other than the most important, speed. Dragapult is simply the boring mon you have to use on some teams, like zapdos or moltres
@@danka1167 the video is literally about gen 3 ttar. Pult does what gen 3 ttar did but in the current gen.
@@SeventhGod77 dragapults only has 3 real options to use. Specs, dual screens and the hex will o wisp set. Most have only ever used specs. Its a wallbreaker and pivot, maybe a support mon. T tar has a lot more, but is very clearly not a pivot
@@danka1167 ddance and calm mind are both strong win conditions plus they can double as utility mons.
Whats ur outro song called??
Does this mean that Suicune is the Anakin Skywalker Pokémon?
I hate myself but this video is cool
iron chugulis😂
Why hidden power bug and not stab crunch?
crunch is special attack while hp bug is physical
Why has Snorlax never been banned in gen2 OU?
Because, paradoxically, Gen 2 OU would become an absolute stall fest without Snorlax, Lax is not only a defensive behemoth, it's also arguably the most important offensive piece in that metagame, Curse and Belly Drum Lax are pretty much the only way to consistently break through what's essentially the bulkiest meta ever, BKC has a great video on that subject I think
@@jean_conand don't forget how many pokémon are checked by Snorlax, if it's taken out, it will get really unbalanced.
@@bg8561 yeah as annoying and overcentralizing as the chubby boy is, he anchors the metagame nicely, Gen 2 OU would become a mess without it around
@@jean_con Thank you all for your replies, I really appreciate it!
kevitar
Salami lid won’t fit
Hi Jimothy! What’s your suggested move set for a Timid Tyranitar and EV spread I Just got him as a shiny and would like to keep him for my competitive team. I can't use dragon dance BTW. Thank you very much and appreciate it in advance
A pseudo the best Pokemon of all time
So sad now tyranitar is not OU.
I was bringing it into OU and getting good results with Assault Vest. It's a fine pokemon still. Especially with Ice Beam to catch Landorus.
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BOAH
I just realised I wasnt subbed this entire time
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I think it should be banned, it completely centers and defines the meta-game, I think it severely lowers the diversity the meta could have had
Yas