@@mastergabe3257 I liked BF1 but last time I had it running, there weren't too many people playing on the servers so I ditched it. Seems a lot of people are going back to the old games now that BF5 is a dud. Might give it a shot. But for now, really enjoying BF3 again. So much better than I remember.
About the whole Alan Kurtz's daughter thing, he's not only a bad game director but also a bad dad because this game is an M-rated game and his daughter is under the age of 17 in his own words. Don't forget about that. Edit: So it's Patrick Soderlund, anyways, I'm sick of them DICE top brass members
payz hayz ya and as soon as people questioned him about it he threw his daughter under the bus, what was it he said that his 13 year old daughter asked why she can be a woman in fortnite and not in a historical ww2 shooter, FUCKING fortnite ruined this game and the fact that he wouldn't show his brain dead daughter a bit of history pisses me off even more
But think about her poor kid, history is too violent for kids nowadays and we have to change it for them and lie to them to make it look more friendly. /s
@gas mask boy If you read this Go buy BF3 or BF4(10-15$) and see what all the OGs went from going into BF1, completely different in the same way you went from BF1 to BFV
Remember what happened to the "Medal of Honor franchise"? I think we are one game away from the same thing happening to battlefield. prayin the next one brings it back to bad company style
EA is responsable for all this, they only want money, EA is killing dice!! Star wars was goingo on the same direction, but the comunity and disney made theme work on the game!
@@elpikky973 I hear ya man. Seems like EA can't keep any franchise going for to long. "Mass effect" , "battlefield" , "titanfall" , "need for speed", medal of honor", "army of two" , "dragon age" and even all their sports games. Have all sucked in recent years. Plagued by: terrible launches , bugs, sjw bologna story, slow updates and micro transaction focused... so sad :(
jorge973 bullshit. EA is known for being shit about pushing the game out the door but this fuckup was also plenty of DICE’s own doing. They chose to take a creative direction that would alienate players and sap retention from its base. They chose to keep making bad decisions about updates and the stupid TTK changes. They chose to make every bad decision they could to run a game that should’ve been an easy money printer, and ran it into the fucking ground. Because rather than go for well known and recognizable battles and theatres, they went for the “untold stories” that in many cases didn’t even happen (Rotterdam with the British). This was their choice on where they wanted to take the game and they ran it into the fucking dirt.
@@suprememememachine4508 yeah you are right and instead of working on bfv they move to the next game, and what is worst is people asking for premium again or people agreeing to move to the next bf, why? We pay almost 70 dollars for a bad game they wanted to do for their kids? This game is M i don't know why a little girl is playing this game, idon't know man this doesn't look right.
Or even a good idea, yeah there are some games where it makes sense to say you're trying to appeal to 12 year olds but most of the time it's just a bad strategy
They ve changed everything since bf1... Spawn system...class system... Soldiers runs and jump like crazy parkour experts...flat linear maps less gadgets less vehicles...no Battlelog for PC players....destroyed hardcore mode...and more,..the last original bf game is BF3 and bf4
Well BF1 was still pretty damn good for me But BF5 is a train wreck... That someone set on fire... Then threw it into a volcano... And took a dump in that volcano
The game released extremely under contented, we got 1 map in the first what 8 months before the 2nd map dropped? The maps present were shallow, too open, and boring. The vehicle gameplay was unengagning, the skins were ridiculously overpriced, and not that great for a 60$ game. Things were either broken, buggy, or became that way patch after patch, not to mention the standout mode from BF1 was murdered into a horrible rotation of 3 unrelated maps. Other than the fantastic gunplay that they ruined twice, BF1 to this day is still a more enjoyable game. This is why the game didn't retain players. I love BF, and was even hardcore into BF5 despite it being objectively bad, but since 5.2 and the backstab that it was to the loyal players is what made me say no more.
I came back to playing regularly like a month ago and honestly - it's a good game. It just lacks new maps and an anti cheat. I've been playing with the same cheater for 2 weeks in Pacific lobbies every evening haha - idk if he finally got banned or not
Let's face it we all knew BF5 was doomed to fail in less than a year as soon as we saw the trailer with the woman who had the bionic arm. What happened after that just made it worse. I didn't give Dice one cent for BF5 and i'm SO GLAD i didn't. Bf1 is actually a decent game to this day. I'm still playing Bf1 and during this whole crazyness when players kept going back and forth between bf5 and bf1 i calmly kept playing bf1 and i'm better for it. People are just stupid and throw money at literally anything. I was just smart about it. I knew exactly what was gonna happen, it did and now here we are.
Ironically, once DICE focused on BFV and stopped touching bf1 (and releasing broken updates) the game became really enjoyable. I went back once or twice and dear god - it’s so much better than V
@@Crafter I didn't and don't really play any of those games (have tried them tho) but I think that has to do with that when a game is good, people don't like change. Small improvements are always good, but constantly adding and changing stuff alianises the game for the players and it can make many quit playing the game. There are many instances of where this has happened
My thoughts about BFV development process that could be added on here: I suspect it has had *huge* iteration changes during development, with Temporayl having files of say trucks and towable ammo and health supplies and concept art of Italy, Late Western Europe etc. It's why we have stuff like the M1 Carbine and American uniforms at launch despite Britain being the only Allied faction at launch. God knows what happened during development but I'd figure DICE developers were doing *something* but with feedback by testers they adjusted it. I think one of the problems (I am going to ignore Culture War stuff because I'm exhausted by it) is that they tried to make a more tactial orientated Battlefield while developing E-Sports at the same time and either EA, DICE producers or some group (dunno, probably multiple groups) decided on "merging" concepts. Of course all of this compounded by a 2 year development cycle (very short for current-gen AAA games) brings up a lot of problems. Of course this turned out to be a waste of time because it was absolutely clear 5 Vs 5 Esports mode would never take off near the time MW2019 was being released and other titles about. Honestly I wish Jason Schreier or someone did a deep dive into DICE and what is happening right now. However about this video, the complaints about Demize99 is weird because he's the one behind BF3 mostly and most luuuuuuuuuuuuuv it (personally as a pre-BC2 type I disliked it on launch though liked the post-launch maps) and that almost feels like part of a different series. I mean BF has shifted a lot throughout the franchises' history so in some ways with BF1942 being very different to BF2142, BF4 being quite different to say BC1 and so on. Honestly It was a shame because I kind of like some of BFV's aims like making every class having a use than just the primary, lesser explosive spam which people complained like post-BF1 launch (which did suffer it's drop, wonder if DICE is struggling to provide content is the problem post-launch say in comparison to MW2019) which I'll probably die on a hill pettily :p. Oh and BTW, the BF1 Tracker doesn't work for me for some reason.
Deleted bf5 like 10 minutes ago. Re-downloading bf4. I just don’t enjoy it as much as I did bf1, 3, and 4. Those were more immersive. Way more immersive. This was supposed to be a ww2 game but instead it just felt generic. Didn’t feel like ww2 at all.
Update. Since this comment, I’ve put in a lot of hours into bf4 on the ps4, re-downloaded bf3 on the pc, put in hours there too and I’m again back to having fun! My quarantine anxiety and depression are gone. Thanks bf4 and bf3! And bf5...you deserve the middle finger. You couldn’t be at least a little bit immersive? Just enough to help us escape our current crisis and take us to wwii? Was that too much to ask? You are #notmybattlefield. I don’t know what you are. When even cod wwii and the mw1 remake surpassed your quality...I don’t know what you are. You are dead to me.
I haven't seen anything about BFV since release (when I watched the trailer I just couldn't believe the trash that I saw) and after watching a couple of videos like this one I totally agree with you, the game doesn't feel like WW2 at all. The graphic design of the game is plain ugly. So many colours, very generic looking maps. Just because of the looks seems like a really bad game.
torresmarial so much better? Lol no. There's some details that can make it seem like BF1 looks better, but you're being a bit ridiculous with that statement. Yes, BFV was a big disappointment, we get it. No need to start exaggerating about random shit.
Yeah man, just keep buying every game dice puts out. That'll teach them. How about you don't buy the next one and THEN they'll feel the pain and truly learn. Those companies only do the "right thing" because it hurt their wallet. Make them regret ever thinking we were stupid enough to eat any shit they put in our plate. You shouldn't have even bought BFV, but if you learn from your mistake then it's all worth it. At least don't pre-order the next one and wait for reviews. I don't mean the IGN reviews. Real reviews from people who bought the game and didn't get a review copy in return for giving the game an 8 or a 9
@@SaviorUchiha I do what I want with my Money also , I don't play EA Sport Games I hate sport games and I don't care about IGN or any game critics they are all bullshit , If I see a game and I like it or not I PUT MY OPINION AND CRITIC 😠 so I DON'T CARE ABOUT IGN CRITICS Until I SEE THE GAME AND PLAY IT BY MY SELF . CHEERS
If the BBC3-SONY PS5 rumours are true, then it would have been a far better move for DICE to continue to make content for BF1 over these few years. If they had announced “BF2018 isn’t ready yet, and we want it to be the best game it can be, so to make it up to the fans we will be continuing to create content for BF1 after its intended lifetime”, people would have LOVED that I feel quite sure. Even if they had to release a new premium pass for full price, I think players would have been willing to pay full price again seeing as the base game+premium which they had paid for had been fulfilled. They could have called it season 2 or something, basically adding new maps and weapons like a new DLC cycle. Also seeing as the game and premium had seen so many sales prior to BFV, it would make sense for EA to make some more money if they’re trying to produce more content. If you’re worried about running out of weapons or maps for WW1 maybe only the SMGs might be an issue, but there are TONS of battles and campaigns from 1914 and 1915 (and the following years) that weren’t covered which would have been awesome in BF1. Tsingtao, Vauquois, Liege, 1st Marne, Belgrade, Romania, Africa, Isonzo (even though that’s kind of Caporetto) the list goes on. New operations (if another isonzo map was added they could make an operation with it and caporetto), weapons and even vehicles could be added with factions like Japanese, Belgians, Romanians and Bulgarians as well as colony factions. They could also improve the existing game by nerfing heavy bomber a little, removing conquest assault from default on apocalypse maps and adding it to Albion. Long story short, I think we can all agree that would have been the smartest move for DICE and possibly boosted BF1s player count, sales and reputation/hype for next battlefield title, which will be jeopardized because of BFV.
they could as well have just released a WW2 expansion for BF1 (like the Vietnam one in Bad Co 2) - Iconic guns, D-day, Stalingrad, etc, the iconic battles. Sell it stand-alone or a little cheaper if you already have BF1.
The gameplay is addicting and the new implementations bring new tactics to this game but everything else falls flat on its face. Story, maps, ttk, missing factions... it’s just sad that we’ll never have a good modern ww2 battlefield
Good video. The only way is surveys. I'm dreaming of a game, that gets created and changed based on surveys, maybe even in game surveys, where the community can vote for the next change before it gets implemented. It is the only way you can guarantee that majority is satisfied.
This video really puts things into perspective. The way I see it is that a BF game requires huge skill, direction and commitment from DICE to deliver a quality product and the company just doesn't have those qualities anymore whether that's a management problem or whatever. Almost every BF title has had huge challenges to overcome but this time they just didn't have it in them to pull it out of the bag like they did with BF4. I'm really sad and angry and still feel they should have continued with BF5 for the good of their reputation and their paying customers but these stats here on player numbers are staggering so I guess they had no choice? I recently bought BF5 for PC having played BF titles on xbox since around 2008 and I was enjoying being back on PC again until I realised there's no team balance in the game and once I hit a certain rank it was putting me on the losing team all the time. I doubt I'll play BF5 again or any upcoming BF games which is sad because I've always been a die hard fan. Yesterday I uninstalled my xbox version to make way for Hardline which has always been one of my favourite titles.
Yeah. I stopped playing quite a while ago. Not much faith in the next game given how much this flopped. This and COD really need to do crazy stuff to get me back. *edit* Also really nice to see an upload. Been a while
I’d say the latest title of Modern Warfare is a pretty decent recovery for COD franchise. It has decent gunplay and no “advanced warfare” bullshit. It also has a pretty decent (some say the best) battle royle out there for free. Its no BF3, but definetly worth a pickup and this is coming from a hardcore BF fan
This goes very well with what exemployees been saying on Glassdoor. There's a very stubborn and ignorant leadership and favouritism going on. There's essentially no opposing voices inside DICE that challenge those bad decisions.
On the topic of gamechangers. It was clear early on that this battlefield wasn't for everyone. There are several reasons for that, all of them subjective. But a common held opinion was that it did not feel like anything close to a WW2 game. Those that voiced that opinion to some gamechangers quickly got pointed out as "womenhaters". Westie and Levelcap comes to mind as both made videos using that strawman argument. We saw the franchise we loved pulled one direction we didn't like and got labeled as misogynists. There are many reasons why the game failed, but they all originate at Dice.
bf1 and 5 failed because nobody asked to import COD mechanics, turning tactical war shooter into Quake. EA pushed BF into hot fps segment, where it lost.
Excellent video dude, so much makes sense now. Also would like to point out that apparently the pacific was quite expensive to produce. According to what Andrew Wilson of EA (Chief Executive Officer) pointed out in their 2019 sales call. So, imagine EA paying alot of money for the pacific but people stop playing it quickly. So they pull the plug. They might even have learned their lesson this time, as apparently, according to the sales Call, they will push the next Battlefield until Fiscal year 2022 (oct 2021 - sep 2022), as they want to make sure they release the new Battlefield when the new gen consoles had a good player growth. So 1 extra year of development for BF6.
It's going to be such Poetic Justice in about 20 years his daughter will say this game sucks dad what the hell is matter with you and then basically tells the world that and then basically condemns her father's Vision about a field 5 if that happens I'll be laughing my ass off
If you think the playercount of bf1 overtime is crazy...take a look at bf4's active playercount. I still have to wait in a queue of at least 5 people every time I want to join a game 7 years later. I can't find any servers for bf1 and there are mostly empty servers in BF5. Such a shame.
This game is continuing to decline. I’m playing it now and honestly I have no idea why I play it, perhaps because it’s the newest thing out from DICE in terms of Battlefield? Team balancing continues to be an issue, playing against teams with 5+ players ending up with major defeats or wins, some teams have 5 tanks while the other team may have none or maybe 1 tank (why though? I mean makes so no sense) and even the players themselves have seen to gone to shit. Idk if there’s been a sale on the game, everyone is buying Battlefield and not know the premise of the game but constantly I find my squad mates off in the distance trying to get sniping records, not contributing to the objective or people with tanks hiding in the corner of the map while opponent tanks are obliterating us. Idk, this is the biggest mess I’ve seen with Battlefield so far
Niklas astrand is the architect of bf5's downfall. He pushed both ttk changes. Also the community needs to learn to pick their battles. All the crying about stuff that didn't matter like woman soldiers and historical accuracy when there were actual game play issues with the game that the community ignored
I would argue art direction is an insanely important aspect of the game and people were right to complain. BF1 had gameplay issues but its art style and immersion still make it fun to jump back into from time to time. Even if BFV had great gameplay it still doesn't make up for the fact that it doesn't look or feel as gritty or real as BF1 did.
@13:00 I dont think people really have a problem w/ women characters in any BF game. It was simply how it was done. If they wanted females in the game it could have been tastefully done and hopefully historically accurate. I remember reading on a soviet female sniper squad on the eastern front during ww2. All they had to do is something like add the option of a female for the recon class for the soviet side. That way you get to have some females in the game and get a bit closer to the history.
It's sad really. I liked the base building aspects, the mobility options for your soldier (crouch running), the removal of 3D spotting (I know they put it back in).
Honestly I'm surprised that it lasted this long. Most people, including battlefield youtubers just act like Battlefield 5 doesn't exist, and for good reason. It's a bad game in every aspect and Dice openly hates their players. The game even looks worse than BF1 for god sake. Hearing that they're officially abandoning BF5 was amazing news, showed them and proved that we won't stand for their social justice bs, especially when they prioritize social justice over gameplay. I mean there really isn't anything positive to say about BF5, its not fun, the gameplay is bad, some of the guns make absolutely no sense, they marketed it as one of the most accurate WW2 games and then spit in our face with every detail, and you haven't been able to find full lobbies since release. Now Dice and EA can stop throwing money away at this crap and dedicate more resources to whatever the next battlefield is (and I'm not hopeful for that one) or Battlefront 2. Its ironic how Battlefront 2, with its universally panned release, and literally caused international legal trouble for EA, has rised like a phoenix and is now reaching record player counts 3 years later. I could go on for days about how big of a travesty BF5 is. And this is coming from a long time Battlefield fan who stuck with BF5 for almost a year after release. I stopped playing like a month before the pacific update once I admitted that the game was a lost cause and its not getting better. I tried playing again the day after the pacific update and could only find one lobby, and it only had 10 players, and one was a modder. Haven't touched the game since.
You're lying about empty lobbies. GTFO. I had zero problems finding full servers and once the pacific launched, the game definitely had a comeback. Unfortunately, terrible management destroyed everything by deciding the re-implement a TTK change a SECOND time, after the first was heavily criticized. BF5 was rough on launch but was pretty good after a few months. The damage had been done early on though with a buggy release and extremely poor PR with the community, however, I don't blame them sometimes. The community is a bunch of whiny idiots, when the tiniest little detail isn't 100% authentic in a bloody VIDEO GAME.
@@krismate2895 I wish I was. I played on Xbox the day after the Pacific update released. Also I'm pretty confident that advertising your game as an authentic WW2 shooter and then openly trying to rewrite history to fit a narrative doesn't fall into the realm of "not 100% authentic." Being perfect to history was not what people are mad about, no one wanted that. We expected things to be slightly altered for game play and stories sake. However, what they did is not like what they did in BF1 (which everyone loved by the way). And that's ignoring the countless other things Dice did to sour their reputation and sabotage their own game.
OsamaIs MyMama It’s so clear that your own political beliefs prevented you from playing the game and so many others. The games gun play was fantastic, there were so many good things about this game. Literally political outrage seemed to have trifled its success. But yes stupidity of dice not realizing gamers are generally right leaning young men. No women are going to play the game just because women are in it. Basically pr ruined the game even though a decent amount of substance was there. Look at fucking battlefront, the game was an actual fucking scam and still ended up doing fine because women in sci-fi isn’t a contentious thing.
@@LackSarcasm Uh... is this b8? "And so many others" what? I played battlefield 5 for months despite the bs. I gave up on it because the gameplay wasn't as good as BF1 and it lacked content. Also who said I was a male, or right leaning? And that gamers are right wing? Are you implying that left leaning people all support Dice's egregious and frankly ridiculous behavior, and that left wing people don't play video games? If I recall correctly Battlefield 5 was universally panned. Are you also implying that "young right leaning men which are the majority of gamers" hate women in their games? If that's true, then why did everyone love the inclusion of the Woman's Battalion of Death in BF1? Why did we ask for female soldiers during the BF4 days? Why are we still begging Dice to add more female heroes in Battlefront 2? Battlefront didn't succeed right off the bat, it was universally panned at release as well, and even prompted international investigations, some of which are still on going. The difference here is that Dice tried to get the players back, and succeeded! A passionate team that admitted they where wrong and worked hard for a year despite being at a financial loss, to make it up to the players. That's how they manged to get record player numbers over 2 years after release. Similar situation happened to Rainbow Six Siege. The Battlefield 5 team at Dice ignored all criticism, instead opting to encourage people not to buy the game and calling their player-base idiots, and resorting to misplaced and ignorant claims of bigots, they celebrated this for months, and put out poor content while still missing features promised at launch. They even claimed the players are bigots because this is the first battlefield game where they could play as women, despite BF1 being celebrated with the inclusion of female soliders, the start of screen and some covers of the game even have a female on it! If your comment was an elaborate troll, I applaud you. If it wasn't, I worry about your mental health. Imagine being so deranged and obsessive over a game, that you think no one actually dislikes the game-play and content, but instead accuse someone of being right wing, as if that's a tell off. Not to mention accusing someones dislike of the game solely because of their political beliefs, even accuse them of basing their game choices on politics, but implying that you yourself enjoy the game because its "left wing." But what else would I expect from someone who's name sounds like "Karen."
OsamaIs MyMama Battlefronts sales targets were 10 million, they achieved 9 million sales even with the shit press on how much of a scam it was. Battlefield on the other hand was panned for women being in the game and how disrespectful it is for women to be in the game. There projected sales before the reveal trailer was 13 million and after it was knocked down to 8 because people were pissed about women being in the game. They only ended up selling 7 million copies all because of people angry over the PoLiTiCaL AgEnDa of forced diversity. Go into any forum, that’s literally the main talking point, people who never played the fuckkng game in the first place sit in forums bitching about how they bad it is dice had chosen to put female characters in the game. Why would they drain money on a game with such a small player base adding free expansions. If EA didn’t correct their mess with battlefront their Star Wars license was a risk. That’s the only reason the actually followed through with their live service. And I personally found that women being in the game was a weird choice, and I would encourage dice not to do the same with future World War Two games but it was bizarre how offended people got over it imo.
For there to still be no team auto balancing and no xp boost in multiplayer mode is absolutely criminal in my opinion. DICE gave us updates gamers didn’t want and were so slow at releasing new content. They also made an absolute mess of Firestorm mode as well. I’m a hardcore Battlefield player, but I’m so disappointed with DICE, because Battlefield V had so much potential.
Hey I'm not usually your viewer but I would suggest for you to do some cuts when you can't think of a word or something and generally bring the video length down by about 15% to make it just a bit more clean.
Everyone has moved to COD MW 2019 and the FREE Ghost War on the Battle net app with over 50 million players. I was addicted to BF3 and then BF4 BUT after playing COD MW 2019 I find BF4 so clunky and outdated. I had not played COD for 10 years so I was so surprised to find COD MW 2019 had got it right and changed so much for the better. I loved jumping off buildings in BF4 and now I can do that in COD MW 2019 Ground War which is so much fun. RIP Battlefield. If you have not tried playing the free Call of Duty Ghost War you should seek medical help. Call Of Duty Modern Warfare Season 3 Mosh Pit is so much fun and quick way to rank up your weapons to gold.
@@ruleezzz4L I agree COD has a long way to go before it is going to be as good as BF4 but at least they have started in the right direction so the next COD should be even better catching up to BF and it is fun ranking your weapons to gold and we get double XP on weekends. COD MW 2019 single player and CO-OP missions are fun to replay if you want to stay away from the 9-year-olds with mommy"s credit card to pay for the hack every month. Crossplay also works nicely for a quick game so not waiting to join and the PS4 & Xbox players are also using wallhacks and snap to aim hacks. The days of no hack on consels have long gone.
I'd been waiting 13 yrs for a decent WW2 shooter. Looks like I'll be waiting another 13yrs or more for one! This game was a dumpster fire even before release, and the just kept fueling the fire! Ppl really need to think twice about buying EA games if the can't even keep their promises about content length.
Anyone else just think that the battlefield franchise is done? We've been playing this format fps game for years now and I've just lost interest, they can have any theme they want its still the same game over and over. Call of duty at least adapted a bit and release a half decent battle royal. For me if they want to release a battlefield again its guna have to do something pretty special to catch my interest
The Format works, their choices don't. They should have improved the BF4 formula instead of making dumb ass decisions. There is a reason why BF4 is considered the best BF game by all competitive players and many casuals too. Techinically speaking BF4 still shits on every game, you can do stuff you can't do in any other game in the market.
Don't care about new battlefield since it will be another boring rehashed 64ppl tank waiting sim, don't care about cod either especially about another dull br mode AAA fpses are dead
I think they could be done yes. I think I am done with BF now. I've played since 2006 when BF2 was an amazing game way ahead of it's time and it just doesn't give me the buzz anymore. There were aspects of BF5 I really loved like the gunplay felt so good and I've been back on PC again so was enjoying it for a time but as soon as you start enjoying BF5 something would happen to change that. As time goes on and more games get released it becomes harder and harder to be original and exciting. DICE probably should have got in quick and done a modern day shooter before COD did so where they go from now who knows? Down the pan is my guess. For me the last really fun BF game was Hardline although that wasn't a popular title. My go to game these days is DayZ because it's super hardcore and really gets my adrenaline going.
Tbh, this game was cursed from the very beginning. The marketing was just horrible, Patrick basically throwing the blame to his kid, the devs just basically doing whatever they want, the game being launch in a state that basically wasn't even a full product, the waste of time that basically nobody ask (remember the beautiful Battle Royale reveal?) Etc, the chances of this game of doing a comeback were low, the only chance they had with the Pacific they throw it into the trash
A very good point mentioning the people in charge who are making the final decisions with BFV. If the very same people make the calls for the next Battlefield title, it may very well make the same mistakes as the previous title and further bury the franchise. But at that point it begs the question...is it due to stupidity of the new leadership and being out of touch with the fanbase? Or is it self inflicted sabotage to purposely destroy the franchise?
nice video. would u make a video regarding bf6 ? like what things that you hope to see in the next bf for example the theme and so on. and what things in bf5 should continue to the next one and whatnot.
Well this is the price ppl pay for giving up on mod support and 3rd party server hosting because the ORIGINAL BF game aka BF1942 has both and is still alive and well with a dedicated player base in 2020 .... hell people are still makeing new content for it too and I doubt they will stop anytime soon.
DICE has been compulsively lying about "telemetry" for over a decade. They pulled the same bullshit with Battlefield 3, claiming that Metro was the most popular map, but an actual breakdown of the numbers revealed that it was only marginally more popular than other maps, and that if you categorized maps by large and small, the large maps put together greatly outnumbered the small maps put together. But still they claimed that people mostly wanted to play Metro, and catered to them. So the people who wanted to play large scale battles got shafted even though they were the majority.
i really dont know why bf5 gets so much hate i actually kind of like it personally i play it daily and its quite fun and about updates we dont need so many updates the game is almost already perfect yes it sucked when it came out at first but now its improving very much we really should not give dice such a hard time they've made games that'll be played 10 years from now lets just all relax and wait for the next release giving them a hard time will only make things worse im just saying thats my opinion you dont need to agree
I have a question. How many concurrent bf4 players are there? Because as of right now Xbox servers have been very populated with large queues too. Both HC and Core playlists.
I believe it. Im a battlefield die hard fan and i just started playing battlefield v just because it wasn't that interesting after battlefield 1. It super watered down
I noticed that not a lot of players have been playing on BF5. It’s hard to get a full games lobby on the most popular game modes. It’s sad because it had the potential to be one of the best games but they messed up so bad that everybody is going to have a sour taste from Dice on the next game. Dice will need to make things a lot better because they are being blown out of the water by COD rn
I actually think that everything began with the decision to monetize the game through cosmetics instead of paid DLC/Season Pass. Cosmetics work well in a game like Overwatch where you can add any outrageous cosmetic option and it won't break anybody's immersion since the game had a space-cowboy and monkey with a tesla gun to begin with. But if you are a realistic WW2 shooter the only immersive skin is a boring soldier uniform. Thus to make it more cosmetics-friendly developers tried to make it cartoony. I don't know about others, but for me women in believable soldier uniforms, like the ones we have now in BF5, are way less immersion breaking than superheroes/supervillains from WW2 themed comics, which we saw in trailer and can have as elites. Political correctness and inclusiveness is just a small bonus to getting money from selling these cosmetics.
All the PC players seemed to have ditched Battlefield 5, and changed over to Post Scriptum instead. Massive influx of online players in Post Scriptum recently. I guess people got tired of the Run and Gun Call of Duty type battlefield games, especially those set in WW2 and WW1 (yet played out like it's modern day), and decided to try a WW2 game that actually takes skill and teamwork to win in.
Despite what many of these comments try to lead readers to believe, The biggest reason it failed wasnt the "political correctness " , or the "historical accuracy ," it was the fact that upon release EA/Dice still hadn't fixed the horrendous netcode, hit registration, team balancing,and didnt install ping limits on servers thereby creating lag/latency from high pingers making the game unplayable at times! I have approximately 4000 hours played in the Battlefield franchise yet I only played bf v for less than 100 hours due to them not addressing these major issues......
so basically you're saying that BFV was fucked because it was fucked by a bunch of incompetent higher-ups who prolly has never played a game before, demanding nonsensical changes and highly questionable decisions, and that i should have seen the writing on the wall and ask for a refund at beta? because yeah, after all these years, i still feel cheated and i still want a damn refund
I think they tried too hard to retain people. But all they did was push people away. All the things they did to cater to players actually infuriated the core fanbase.
Soo true! I was a veteran but they don't care about us! Now I play Apex and it's far better but you just feel the grip of EA shitty managers ..... and respawn is a small team so they can't do much.... I wish Apex and Battlefield were owned by Epic Games... They now how to satisfy player and do not treat us as "uneducated" lols
My dumbass looked at that graph and went "Why's this graph only 11 days of data?", until I remembered that damn near everywhere else sets their dates up like DD/MM/YYYY
Not sure why anyone’s surprised that it’s ending live service. It had great potential content wise but with a new battlefield on the horizon, there was little potential play count wise. Dice has proven with this game they need all the time and resources they have to focus on the next battlefield or else it’s gonna be a repeat. Little more surprised about sbwf 2 ending it’s content updates since they actually turned that game around but it’s understandable that they want another team focusing on the make or break next battlefield game.
I’m having a hard time on Xbox just cuz of no hardcore mode, just core even though the devs said that the mode/ option would be coming to the game but it should’ve been in when it launched
I shan’t play any previous Battlefield game that has anything to do with Dice , I simply can’t support them anymore , not even Battlefront 2 . They have failed us and and knew for a long time they were doing this but didn’t tell us.
The release timing of BFV was terrible since BF1 was still releasing updates. They just moved many BF players from the BF1 servers to BFV, and then they just left since that was such a disappointment. Now BF1 still suffers from those losses. I still enjoy that game but now it's difficult to find a server with teams that will fight for objectives as needed. All the campers have lingered about.
MISSION FAILED WE’LL GET EM NEXT TIME
with how bad the game was and how much money they got, they ought to be saying mission accomplished
They better get it next time
Makai Craig it’s funny because it’s a cod quote
The servers for BF3 and BF4 are still pretty busy. I hope Dice goes back and plays bf3 again to see how good the game can be..
@@mastergabe3257 I liked BF1 but last time I had it running, there weren't too many people playing on the servers so I ditched it. Seems a lot of people are going back to the old games now that BF5 is a dud. Might give it a shot. But for now, really enjoying BF3 again. So much better than I remember.
You know it's bad when Team Fortress 2, a game practically abandoned by it's developers has more players than a AAA title in 2020.
Not just that, but tf2 has been abandoned for 2 or 3 years now, and still has a much better community
@@Urmom-gm1oy TF2 gets 70k players a day. Thats a hell of a number for such a old game.
@@jileel legendary games never die. I'm a part of that 70k.
Not really. It has more players because its free. Why does fortenight have so many players?? = free
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki Even though it is free, the quality of the game is 200 times higher than Battlefield 5.
No denying that.
About the whole Alan Kurtz's daughter thing, he's not only a bad game director but also a bad dad because this game is an M-rated game and his daughter is under the age of 17 in his own words.
Don't forget about that.
Edit: So it's Patrick Soderlund, anyways, I'm sick of them DICE top brass members
payz hayz ya and as soon as people questioned him about it he threw his daughter under the bus, what was it he said that his 13 year old daughter asked why she can be a woman in fortnite and not in a historical ww2 shooter, FUCKING fortnite ruined this game and the fact that he wouldn't show his brain dead daughter a bit of history pisses me off even more
Lmao ratings are a joke, who the fuck cares about ratings?
But think about her poor kid, history is too violent for kids nowadays and we have to change it for them and lie to them to make it look more friendly. /s
@@strikeforce1500 sounds like our generation is becoming more sensitive to the truth
His daughter prolly don’t even play the game
"Don't buy it if you don't like it"
I never bought it, and I haven't been disappointed in my decision
Same here!
Noone bought it.. So they stopped making it 😂
@@sparrowsbewertungen6930 *no one
Same here, I will never add it to my library even if they release it for free
It's the same for every game. Still best shooter mechanics but sadly other games give more incentives to play.
Battlefield V was so bad that destroyed your will to upload videos. Glad to see you back!
Bad? dude half of the game was missing
@@Len1977gt 1/4
@gas mask boy If you read this Go buy BF3 or BF4(10-15$) and see what all the OGs went from going into BF1, completely different in the same way you went from BF1 to BFV
Woah you guys save for buying EA game, well back to buy Insurgency Sadstorm then!
naaah its the sub count that destroyed his will to upload videos
Remember what happened to the "Medal of Honor franchise"? I think we are one game away from the same thing happening to battlefield. prayin the next one brings it back to bad company style
EA is responsable for all this, they only want money, EA is killing dice!! Star wars was goingo on the same direction, but the comunity and disney made theme work on the game!
@@elpikky973 I hear ya man. Seems like EA can't keep any franchise going for to long. "Mass effect" , "battlefield" , "titanfall" , "need for speed", medal of honor", "army of two" , "dragon age" and even all their sports games. Have all sucked in recent years. Plagued by: terrible launches , bugs, sjw bologna story, slow updates and micro transaction focused... so sad :(
I fear that for BF
jorge973 bullshit. EA is known for being shit about pushing the game out the door but this fuckup was also plenty of DICE’s own doing. They chose to take a creative direction that would alienate players and sap retention from its base. They chose to keep making bad decisions about updates and the stupid TTK changes. They chose to make every bad decision they could to run a game that should’ve been an easy money printer, and ran it into the fucking ground. Because rather than go for well known and recognizable battles and theatres, they went for the “untold stories” that in many cases didn’t even happen (Rotterdam with the British). This was their choice on where they wanted to take the game and they ran it into the fucking dirt.
@@suprememememachine4508 yeah you are right and instead of working on bfv they move to the next game, and what is worst is people asking for premium again or people agreeing to move to the next bf, why? We pay almost 70 dollars for a bad game they wanted to do for their kids? This game is M i don't know why a little girl is playing this game, idon't know man this doesn't look right.
Hop on Battlefield 4 or Battlefield 1
Heinz Big Juicy Wanng yup that what i did and all of us should
I get my modern fix with cod modern warfare. All I wanted was an epic ww2 game again with better graphics and bigger maps battlefield style!
yeeter Ya I never did buy BV, I been playing BF4 and BF1, those games are amazing and always will be.
xXxkush_masterxXx try post sciptum a true ww2 game
Heinz Big Juicy Wanng well i made the mistake a buy bfv but only for pacific front cause it did feel like a good one
So the only Battlefield V succeeded in doing was finishing off Battlefield 1. Thanks EA, this is a task successfully failed.
I like how he justified his agenda by using his daughter as an example, as if 12 year old girls are Battlefield’s main customer base lmfaoooo
Or even a good idea, yeah there are some games where it makes sense to say you're trying to appeal to 12 year olds but most of the time it's just a bad strategy
They ve changed everything since bf1... Spawn system...class system... Soldiers runs and jump like crazy parkour experts...flat linear maps less gadgets less vehicles...no Battlelog for PC players....destroyed hardcore mode...and more,..the last original bf game is BF3 and bf4
Well BF1 was still pretty damn good for me
But BF5 is a train wreck... That someone set on fire... Then threw it into a volcano... And took a dump in that volcano
No, the last casual BF still BF1
@@ByzAsian45 casual but successful unlike bfv
@@ByzAsian45 BV1 IS THE SAME WITH BFV
@@alucardgreece no, BFV has unlimited sliding, jumping, parkour. BF1 dont have parkour, sliding already nerfed and good casual gameplay like BF4
The game released extremely under contented, we got 1 map in the first what 8 months before the 2nd map dropped? The maps present were shallow, too open, and boring. The vehicle gameplay was unengagning, the skins were ridiculously overpriced, and not that great for a 60$ game. Things were either broken, buggy, or became that way patch after patch, not to mention the standout mode from BF1 was murdered into a horrible rotation of 3 unrelated maps. Other than the fantastic gunplay that they ruined twice, BF1 to this day is still a more enjoyable game. This is why the game didn't retain players.
I love BF, and was even hardcore into BF5 despite it being objectively bad, but since 5.2 and the backstab that it was to the loyal players is what made me say no more.
I still play daily and I was in shock. Silly me thought a year until the next Battlefield game meant a year more of support for #BFV. Stupid me. 🤷♂️
I came back to playing regularly like a month ago and honestly - it's a good game. It just lacks new maps and an anti cheat. I've been playing with the same cheater for 2 weeks in Pacific lobbies every evening haha - idk if he finally got banned or not
Ive spent 343 hours in total and now deleted the game. But I wont be going back to previous BFs, have other stuff to play and do.
Hopefully this is a good life lesson for you.
Don't be so naive in the future.
Every time this kinda shit happens it makes me just a little more jaded and distrustful of the world. It's Sad.
@@giovannibermudezjr Indeed, society as a whole is becoming more degenerate and self-interested.
Let's face it we all knew BF5 was doomed to fail in less than a year as soon as we saw the trailer with the woman who had the bionic arm. What happened after that just made it worse. I didn't give Dice one cent for BF5 and i'm SO GLAD i didn't. Bf1 is actually a decent game to this day. I'm still playing Bf1 and during this whole crazyness when players kept going back and forth between bf5 and bf1 i calmly kept playing bf1 and i'm better for it. People are just stupid and throw money at literally anything. I was just smart about it. I knew exactly what was gonna happen, it did and now here we are.
Ironically, once DICE focused on BFV and stopped touching bf1 (and releasing broken updates) the game became really enjoyable. I went back once or twice and dear god - it’s so much better than V
Dreamer23245 OMG, that’s exactly what I did and think about this game! Not a cent to this piece of propaganda
@@Crafter I didn't and don't really play any of those games (have tried them tho) but I think that has to do with that when a game is good, people don't like change.
Small improvements are always good, but constantly adding and changing stuff alianises the game for the players and it can make many quit playing the game.
There are many instances of
where this has happened
where were you for 6 months mate lol
Detox from all the toxicity DICE inflicted on the Battlefield V players ;)
Crafter cod warzone revitalization program incoming perhaps ?
@@Crafter good move.. stay happy , healthy and positive .
Comes back after 6 months like everything is normal lol. I'm still playing BF4 and BF1
Not playing BF5
"Dont like it, dont buy it"
Words before company suicide
My thoughts about BFV development process that could be added on here:
I suspect it has had *huge* iteration changes during development, with Temporayl having files of say trucks and towable ammo and health supplies and concept art of Italy, Late Western Europe etc. It's why we have stuff like the M1 Carbine and American uniforms at launch despite Britain being the only Allied faction at launch. God knows what happened during development but I'd figure DICE developers were doing *something* but with feedback by testers they adjusted it. I think one of the problems (I am going to ignore Culture War stuff because I'm exhausted by it) is that they tried to make a more tactial orientated Battlefield while developing E-Sports at the same time and either EA, DICE producers or some group (dunno, probably multiple groups) decided on "merging" concepts. Of course all of this compounded by a 2 year development cycle (very short for current-gen AAA games) brings up a lot of problems.
Of course this turned out to be a waste of time because it was absolutely clear 5 Vs 5 Esports mode would never take off near the time MW2019 was being released and other titles about. Honestly I wish Jason Schreier or someone did a deep dive into DICE and what is happening right now.
However about this video, the complaints about Demize99 is weird because he's the one behind BF3 mostly and most luuuuuuuuuuuuuv it (personally as a pre-BC2 type I disliked it on launch though liked the post-launch maps) and that almost feels like part of a different series. I mean BF has shifted a lot throughout the franchises' history so in some ways with BF1942 being very different to BF2142, BF4 being quite different to say BC1 and so on.
Honestly It was a shame because I kind of like some of BFV's aims like making every class having a use than just the primary, lesser explosive spam which people complained like post-BF1 launch (which did suffer it's drop, wonder if DICE is struggling to provide content is the problem post-launch say in comparison to MW2019) which I'll probably die on a hill pettily :p.
Oh and BTW, the BF1 Tracker doesn't work for me for some reason.
Dangerman1337 he could be a good developer besides trying to suddenly inject his politically correct agenda in bfv
That bf1 tracker broke my progression for about a full year, I wouldn't bother with it unless you want you're stats to suddenly disappear
Didnt read
Dangerman1337
That stopped making sense very quick. I didnt read very far
Deleted bf5 like 10 minutes ago. Re-downloading bf4. I just don’t enjoy it as much as I did bf1, 3, and 4. Those were more immersive. Way more immersive. This was supposed to be a ww2 game but instead it just felt generic. Didn’t feel like ww2 at all.
Update. Since this comment, I’ve put in a lot of hours into bf4 on the ps4, re-downloaded bf3 on the pc, put in hours there too and I’m again back to having fun! My quarantine anxiety and depression are gone. Thanks bf4 and bf3! And bf5...you deserve the middle finger. You couldn’t be at least a little bit immersive? Just enough to help us escape our current crisis and take us to wwii? Was that too much to ask? You are #notmybattlefield. I don’t know what you are. When even cod wwii and the mw1 remake surpassed your quality...I don’t know what you are. You are dead to me.
I haven't seen anything about BFV since release (when I watched the trailer I just couldn't believe the trash that I saw) and after watching a couple of videos like this one I totally agree with you, the game doesn't feel like WW2 at all. The graphic design of the game is plain ugly. So many colours, very generic looking maps. Just because of the looks seems like a really bad game.
“I feel like I want to be on the right side of history.” - A Fool.
The irony is that "history is written by the victors." - Winston Churchill.
BFV will never be a "victor" in the history of gaming.
Go back to battlefield 1 OMG the graphics are so much better than this trash its almost as if we went backwards
ikr
torresmarial nah BFV has better graphics you trippin
They also have so much better maps i wanted to play in bf5 like they did in post scriptum dinant and the citadel in the ardennes or fort eben emael
map design in bf1 is sooo goood
torresmarial so much better? Lol no. There's some details that can make it seem like BF1 looks better, but you're being a bit ridiculous with that statement. Yes, BFV was a big disappointment, we get it. No need to start exaggerating about random shit.
I left BF5 and start to play again The MASTERPIECE BF1 , I'm waiting 4 the Next BF in 2021 hoping the EA learn their Fking Mess with BF5 .
Cheers 🇩🇪💜
In before all weopons take 5 magazines to kill and you spawn in with 1 magazine
Yeah man, just keep buying every game dice puts out. That'll teach them. How about you don't buy the next one and THEN they'll feel the pain and truly learn. Those companies only do the "right thing" because it hurt their wallet. Make them regret ever thinking we were stupid enough to eat any shit they put in our plate. You shouldn't have even bought BFV, but if you learn from your mistake then it's all worth it. At least don't pre-order the next one and wait for reviews. I don't mean the IGN reviews. Real reviews from people who bought the game and didn't get a review copy in return for giving the game an 8 or a 9
@@SaviorUchiha
I do what I want with my Money also , I don't play EA Sport Games I hate sport games and I don't care about IGN or any game critics they are all bullshit , If I see a game and I like it or not I PUT MY OPINION AND CRITIC 😠 so I DON'T CARE ABOUT IGN CRITICS Until I SEE THE GAME AND PLAY IT BY MY SELF .
CHEERS
Kaiser if there were just more players who think like that
@@maxmaxed2887
U r right Max , I'm still looking to buy BF4 , I regret buying that piece of 💩 BF5
CHEERS 💙
If the BBC3-SONY PS5 rumours are true, then it would have been a far better move for DICE to continue to make content for BF1 over these few years. If they had announced “BF2018 isn’t ready yet, and we want it to be the best game it can be, so to make it up to the fans we will be continuing to create content for BF1 after its intended lifetime”, people would have LOVED that I feel quite sure. Even if they had to release a new premium pass for full price, I think players would have been willing to pay full price again seeing as the base game+premium which they had paid for had been fulfilled. They could have called it season 2 or something, basically adding new maps and weapons like a new DLC cycle. Also seeing as the game and premium had seen so many sales prior to BFV, it would make sense for EA to make some more money if they’re trying to produce more content. If you’re worried about running out of weapons or maps for WW1 maybe only the SMGs might be an issue, but there are TONS of battles and campaigns from 1914 and 1915 (and the following years) that weren’t covered which would have been awesome in BF1. Tsingtao, Vauquois, Liege, 1st Marne, Belgrade, Romania, Africa, Isonzo (even though that’s kind of Caporetto) the list goes on. New operations (if another isonzo map was added they could make an operation with it and caporetto), weapons and even vehicles could be added with factions like Japanese, Belgians, Romanians and Bulgarians as well as colony factions. They could also improve the existing game by nerfing heavy bomber a little, removing conquest assault from default on apocalypse maps and adding it to Albion. Long story short, I think we can all agree that would have been the smartest move for DICE and possibly boosted BF1s player count, sales and reputation/hype for next battlefield title, which will be jeopardized because of BFV.
they could as well have just released a WW2 expansion for BF1 (like the Vietnam one in Bad Co 2) - Iconic guns, D-day, Stalingrad, etc, the iconic battles. Sell it stand-alone or a little cheaper if you already have BF1.
The gameplay is addicting and the new implementations bring new tactics to this game but everything else falls flat on its face. Story, maps, ttk, missing factions... it’s just sad that we’ll never have a good modern ww2 battlefield
Good video. The only way is surveys. I'm dreaming of a game, that gets created and changed based on surveys, maybe even in game surveys, where the community can vote for the next change before it gets implemented. It is the only way you can guarantee that majority is satisfied.
This video really puts things into perspective. The way I see it is that a BF game requires huge skill, direction and commitment from DICE to deliver a quality product and the company just doesn't have those qualities anymore whether that's a management problem or whatever. Almost every BF title has had huge challenges to overcome but this time they just didn't have it in them to pull it out of the bag like they did with BF4. I'm really sad and angry and still feel they should have continued with BF5 for the good of their reputation and their paying customers but these stats here on player numbers are staggering so I guess they had no choice? I recently bought BF5 for PC having played BF titles on xbox since around 2008 and I was enjoying being back on PC again until I realised there's no team balance in the game and once I hit a certain rank it was putting me on the losing team all the time. I doubt I'll play BF5 again or any upcoming BF games which is sad because I've always been a die hard fan. Yesterday I uninstalled my xbox version to make way for Hardline which has always been one of my favourite titles.
Patrick Sutherland: “don’t like it, don’t buy it”. Me: okay
Yeah. I stopped playing quite a while ago. Not much faith in the next game given how much this flopped. This and COD really need to do crazy stuff to get me back. *edit* Also really nice to see an upload. Been a while
I myself lost hope for Battlefield as a series in a whole, seeing how the DICE Stockholm management keeps making the wrong decisions each time ;)
@@Crafter yeah it stinks. Here's praying someone else gets there hands on the series. Would be a nice change of pace
You should try Warzone. It’s free-to-play so you ain’t losing anything
I’d say the latest title of Modern Warfare is a pretty decent recovery for COD franchise. It has decent gunplay and no “advanced warfare” bullshit. It also has a pretty decent (some say the best) battle royle out there for free. Its no BF3, but definetly worth a pickup and this is coming from a hardcore BF fan
@@metehankap3870 it's more of a fear for the COD games like the Black Ops series
This goes very well with what exemployees been saying on Glassdoor.
There's a very stubborn and ignorant leadership and favouritism going on. There's essentially no opposing voices inside DICE that challenge those bad decisions.
The CEO made changes because of his daughter he picked an choosed when making unrealistic game features
I took a 2 year break from all new Battlefield content. Good to see you're still making videos.
On the topic of gamechangers. It was clear early on that this battlefield wasn't for everyone. There are several reasons for that, all of them subjective. But a common held opinion was that it did not feel like anything close to a WW2 game. Those that voiced that opinion to some gamechangers quickly got pointed out as "womenhaters". Westie and Levelcap comes to mind as both made videos using that strawman argument. We saw the franchise we loved pulled one direction we didn't like and got labeled as misogynists.
There are many reasons why the game failed, but they all originate at Dice.
bf1 and 5 failed because nobody asked to import COD mechanics, turning tactical war shooter into Quake. EA pushed BF into hot fps segment, where it lost.
Excellent video dude, so much makes sense now. Also would like to point out that apparently the pacific was quite expensive to produce. According to what Andrew Wilson of EA (Chief Executive Officer) pointed out in their 2019 sales call. So, imagine EA paying alot of money for the pacific but people stop playing it quickly. So they pull the plug.
They might even have learned their lesson this time, as apparently, according to the sales Call, they will push the next Battlefield until Fiscal year 2022 (oct 2021 - sep 2022), as they want to make sure they release the new Battlefield when the new gen consoles had a good player growth. So 1 extra year of development for BF6.
Blame women for not picking up the game in greater numbers.
It's going to be such Poetic Justice in about 20 years his daughter will say this game sucks dad what the hell is matter with you and then basically tells the world that and then basically condemns her father's Vision about a field 5 if that happens I'll be laughing my ass off
This guy is one of the reasons I hate playing Battlefield. If you are a medic, make an attempt to revive, don't just just blindly ignore the bodies.
How does that graph show a negative trend ? Looks pretty upward to me att the end...
The spike at the end is a free to play weekend ;)
If you think the playercount of bf1 overtime is crazy...take a look at bf4's active playercount. I still have to wait in a queue of at least 5 people every time I want to join a game 7 years later. I can't find any servers for bf1 and there are mostly empty servers in BF5. Such a shame.
This game is continuing to decline. I’m playing it now and honestly I have no idea why I play it, perhaps because it’s the newest thing out from DICE in terms of Battlefield? Team balancing continues to be an issue, playing against teams with 5+ players ending up with major defeats or wins, some teams have 5 tanks while the other team may have none or maybe 1 tank (why though? I mean makes so no sense) and even the players themselves have seen to gone to shit. Idk if there’s been a sale on the game, everyone is buying Battlefield and not know the premise of the game but constantly I find my squad mates off in the distance trying to get sniping records, not contributing to the objective or people with tanks hiding in the corner of the map while opponent tanks are obliterating us. Idk, this is the biggest mess I’ve seen with Battlefield so far
Thank you for in depth dive of this whole situation. I wonder just wonder how could something like this happen.
Niklas astrand is the architect of bf5's downfall. He pushed both ttk changes.
Also the community needs to learn to pick their battles. All the crying about stuff that didn't matter like woman soldiers and historical accuracy when there were actual game play issues with the game that the community ignored
I would argue art direction is an insanely important aspect of the game and people were right to complain. BF1 had gameplay issues but its art style and immersion still make it fun to jump back into from time to time. Even if BFV had great gameplay it still doesn't make up for the fact that it doesn't look or feel as gritty or real as BF1 did.
@13:00 I dont think people really have a problem w/ women characters in any BF game. It was simply how it was done. If they wanted females in the game it could have been tastefully done and hopefully historically accurate. I remember reading on a soviet female sniper squad on the eastern front during ww2. All they had to do is something like add the option of a female for the recon class for the soviet side. That way you get to have some females in the game and get a bit closer to the history.
I still play bf1 almost every day and I play bf5 occasionally
It's sad really. I liked the base building aspects, the mobility options for your soldier (crouch running), the removal of 3D spotting (I know they put it back in).
When are we getting partial refunds ?
15:04 source?
Will you ever come back?
Wow... its been a long time. Welcome back! BFV's fate was tragic imo.
Honestly I'm surprised that it lasted this long. Most people, including battlefield youtubers just act like Battlefield 5 doesn't exist, and for good reason. It's a bad game in every aspect and Dice openly hates their players. The game even looks worse than BF1 for god sake. Hearing that they're officially abandoning BF5 was amazing news, showed them and proved that we won't stand for their social justice bs, especially when they prioritize social justice over gameplay. I mean there really isn't anything positive to say about BF5, its not fun, the gameplay is bad, some of the guns make absolutely no sense, they marketed it as one of the most accurate WW2 games and then spit in our face with every detail, and you haven't been able to find full lobbies since release. Now Dice and EA can stop throwing money away at this crap and dedicate more resources to whatever the next battlefield is (and I'm not hopeful for that one) or Battlefront 2. Its ironic how Battlefront 2, with its universally panned release, and literally caused international legal trouble for EA, has rised like a phoenix and is now reaching record player counts 3 years later. I could go on for days about how big of a travesty BF5 is. And this is coming from a long time Battlefield fan who stuck with BF5 for almost a year after release. I stopped playing like a month before the pacific update once I admitted that the game was a lost cause and its not getting better. I tried playing again the day after the pacific update and could only find one lobby, and it only had 10 players, and one was a modder. Haven't touched the game since.
You're lying about empty lobbies. GTFO. I had zero problems finding full servers and once the pacific launched, the game definitely had a comeback. Unfortunately, terrible management destroyed everything by deciding the re-implement a TTK change a SECOND time, after the first was heavily criticized. BF5 was rough on launch but was pretty good after a few months. The damage had been done early on though with a buggy release and extremely poor PR with the community, however, I don't blame them sometimes. The community is a bunch of whiny idiots, when the tiniest little detail isn't 100% authentic in a bloody VIDEO GAME.
@@krismate2895 I wish I was. I played on Xbox the day after the Pacific update released. Also I'm pretty confident that advertising your game as an authentic WW2 shooter and then openly trying to rewrite history to fit a narrative doesn't fall into the realm of "not 100% authentic." Being perfect to history was not what people are mad about, no one wanted that. We expected things to be slightly altered for game play and stories sake. However, what they did is not like what they did in BF1 (which everyone loved by the way). And that's ignoring the countless other things Dice did to sour their reputation and sabotage their own game.
OsamaIs MyMama It’s so clear that your own political beliefs prevented you from playing the game and so many others. The games gun play was fantastic, there were so many good things about this game. Literally political outrage seemed to have trifled its success. But yes stupidity of dice not realizing gamers are generally right leaning young men. No women are going to play the game just because women are in it. Basically pr ruined the game even though a decent amount of substance was there. Look at fucking battlefront, the game was an actual fucking scam and still ended up doing fine because women in sci-fi isn’t a contentious thing.
@@LackSarcasm Uh... is this b8? "And so many others" what? I played battlefield 5 for months despite the bs. I gave up on it because the gameplay wasn't as good as BF1 and it lacked content. Also who said I was a male, or right leaning? And that gamers are right wing? Are you implying that left leaning people all support Dice's egregious and frankly ridiculous behavior, and that left wing people don't play video games? If I recall correctly Battlefield 5 was universally panned. Are you also implying that "young right leaning men which are the majority of gamers" hate women in their games? If that's true, then why did everyone love the inclusion of the Woman's Battalion of Death in BF1? Why did we ask for female soldiers during the BF4 days? Why are we still begging Dice to add more female heroes in Battlefront 2? Battlefront didn't succeed right off the bat, it was universally panned at release as well, and even prompted international investigations, some of which are still on going. The difference here is that Dice tried to get the players back, and succeeded! A passionate team that admitted they where wrong and worked hard for a year despite being at a financial loss, to make it up to the players. That's how they manged to get record player numbers over 2 years after release. Similar situation happened to Rainbow Six Siege. The Battlefield 5 team at Dice ignored all criticism, instead opting to encourage people not to buy the game and calling their player-base idiots, and resorting to misplaced and ignorant claims of bigots, they celebrated this for months, and put out poor content while still missing features promised at launch. They even claimed the players are bigots because this is the first battlefield game where they could play as women, despite BF1 being celebrated with the inclusion of female soliders, the start of screen and some covers of the game even have a female on it! If your comment was an elaborate troll, I applaud you. If it wasn't, I worry about your mental health. Imagine being so deranged and obsessive over a game, that you think no one actually dislikes the game-play and content, but instead accuse someone of being right wing, as if that's a tell off. Not to mention accusing someones dislike of the game solely because of their political beliefs, even accuse them of basing their game choices on politics, but implying that you yourself enjoy the game because its "left wing." But what else would I expect from someone who's name sounds like "Karen."
OsamaIs MyMama Battlefronts sales targets were 10 million, they achieved 9 million sales even with the shit press on how much of a scam it was. Battlefield on the other hand was panned for women being in the game and how disrespectful it is for women to be in the game. There projected sales before the reveal trailer was 13 million and after it was knocked down to 8 because people were pissed about women being in the game. They only ended up selling 7 million copies all because of people angry over the PoLiTiCaL AgEnDa of forced diversity. Go into any forum, that’s literally the main talking point, people who never played the fuckkng game in the first place sit in forums bitching about how they bad it is dice had chosen to put female characters in the game. Why would they drain money on a game with such a small player base adding free expansions. If EA didn’t correct their mess with battlefront their Star Wars license was a risk. That’s the only reason the actually followed through with their live service. And I personally found that women being in the game was a weird choice, and I would encourage dice not to do the same with future World War Two games but it was bizarre how offended people got over it imo.
When Dice and EA said "don't buy" because of "muh daugter" I did just that.
For there to still be no team auto balancing and no xp boost in multiplayer mode is absolutely criminal in my opinion. DICE gave us updates gamers didn’t want and were so slow at releasing new content. They also made an absolute mess of Firestorm mode as well. I’m a hardcore Battlefield player, but I’m so disappointed with DICE, because Battlefield V had so much potential.
About time, I've been waiting for a video for months
Answer is simple, because of ignoble EA/DICE. If they have released contents earlier, it wouldn't be anything like that.
He’s alive!!!!!
super nice revives... oh, and I liked how you shot down friendly flares.
Hey I'm not usually your viewer but I would suggest for you to do some cuts when you can't think of a word or something and generally bring the video length down by about 15% to make it just a bit more clean.
Really interesting analysis, subscribed!
Everyone has moved to COD MW 2019 and the FREE Ghost War on the Battle net app with over 50 million players. I was addicted to BF3 and then BF4 BUT after playing COD MW 2019 I find BF4 so clunky and outdated. I had not played COD for 10 years so I was so surprised to find COD MW 2019 had got it right and changed so much for the better. I loved jumping off buildings in BF4 and now I can do that in COD MW 2019 Ground War which is so much fun. RIP Battlefield. If you have not tried playing the free Call of Duty Ghost War you should seek medical help. Call Of Duty Modern Warfare Season 3 Mosh Pit is so much fun and quick way to rank up your weapons to gold.
To me BF4 looks like is 10 years ahead of COD. Tried to play COD but the audio and the physics of the vehicles are just ridicolous...
@@ruleezzz4L I agree COD has a long way to go before it is going to be as good as BF4 but at least they have started in the right direction so the next COD should be even better catching up to BF and it is fun ranking your weapons to gold and we get double XP on weekends. COD MW 2019 single player and CO-OP missions are fun to replay if you want to stay away from the 9-year-olds with mommy"s credit card to pay for the hack every month. Crossplay also works nicely for a quick game so not waiting to join and the PS4 & Xbox players are also using wallhacks and snap to aim hacks. The days of no hack on consels have long gone.
I'd been waiting 13 yrs for a decent WW2 shooter. Looks like I'll be waiting another 13yrs or more for one! This game was a dumpster fire even before release, and the just kept fueling the fire! Ppl really need to think twice about buying EA games if the can't even keep their promises about content length.
Hell let loose is really good
Well u got post scriptum and hell let lose rly good games
Anyone else just think that the battlefield franchise is done? We've been playing this format fps game for years now and I've just lost interest, they can have any theme they want its still the same game over and over. Call of duty at least adapted a bit and release a half decent battle royal. For me if they want to release a battlefield again its guna have to do something pretty special to catch my interest
Also the saturation in this game is awful. Your gameplay looks more like it should be mario not ww2
The Format works, their choices don't. They should have improved the BF4 formula instead of making dumb ass decisions. There is a reason why BF4 is considered the best BF game by all competitive players and many casuals too. Techinically speaking BF4 still shits on every game, you can do stuff you can't do in any other game in the market.
Don't care about new battlefield since it will be another boring rehashed 64ppl tank waiting sim, don't care about cod either especially about another dull br mode AAA fpses are dead
I think they could be done yes. I think I am done with BF now. I've played since 2006 when BF2 was an amazing game way ahead of it's time and it just doesn't give me the buzz anymore. There were aspects of BF5 I really loved like the gunplay felt so good and I've been back on PC again so was enjoying it for a time but as soon as you start enjoying BF5 something would happen to change that. As time goes on and more games get released it becomes harder and harder to be original and exciting. DICE probably should have got in quick and done a modern day shooter before COD did so where they go from now who knows? Down the pan is my guess. For me the last really fun BF game was Hardline although that wasn't a popular title. My go to game these days is DayZ because it's super hardcore and really gets my adrenaline going.
yes I play mostly Battlefield 1 since two months or so
Tbh, this game was cursed from the very beginning. The marketing was just horrible, Patrick basically throwing the blame to his kid, the devs just basically doing whatever they want, the game being launch in a state that basically wasn't even a full product, the waste of time that basically nobody ask (remember the beautiful Battle Royale reveal?) Etc, the chances of this game of doing a comeback were low, the only chance they had with the Pacific they throw it into the trash
A very good point mentioning the people in charge who are making the final decisions with BFV. If the very same people make the calls for the next Battlefield title, it may very well make the same mistakes as the previous title and further bury the franchise. But at that point it begs the question...is it due to stupidity of the new leadership and being out of touch with the fanbase? Or is it self inflicted sabotage to purposely destroy the franchise?
The playerbase dropped harder than I was dropped on my head
Can you put that side by side with bf1 statts to compare???
Been going back to BF4 and Hardline on PS4 full of people playing , its cool 😁
Rly ? Can you even finde full servers on ps4 on bf 4 ?
Wow he lives. He LIVES!!
nice video.
would u make a video regarding bf6 ? like what things that you hope to see in the next bf for example the theme and so on. and what things in bf5 should continue to the next one and whatnot.
Any more videos to upload or have you quit youtube.
Planes bombs not killing is also a factor.
Well this is the price ppl pay for giving up on mod support and 3rd party server hosting because the ORIGINAL BF game aka BF1942 has both and is still alive and well with a dedicated player base in 2020 .... hell people are still makeing new content for it too and I doubt they will stop anytime soon.
I switched to battlefield 4 the day when dice announced they are killing bfv
DICE has been compulsively lying about "telemetry" for over a decade. They pulled the same bullshit with Battlefield 3, claiming that Metro was the most popular map, but an actual breakdown of the numbers revealed that it was only marginally more popular than other maps, and that if you categorized maps by large and small, the large maps put together greatly outnumbered the small maps put together. But still they claimed that people mostly wanted to play Metro, and catered to them. So the people who wanted to play large scale battles got shafted even though they were the majority.
i really dont know why bf5 gets so much hate i actually kind of like it personally i play it daily and its quite fun and about updates we dont need so many updates the game is almost already perfect yes it sucked when it came out at first but now its improving very much we really should not give dice such a hard time they've made games that'll be played 10 years from now lets just all relax and wait for the next release giving them a hard time will only make things worse im just saying thats my opinion you dont need to agree
I couldn't more agree
Have zero confidence that DICE as a company can make a BF game anymore,. they will call it that but no chance of them pulling it off.
British woman from WW2 in France with a robot arm:0
WW2 historical accuracy :1
Well too be fair its no such thing as a robot arm in bf5 tho but ye rly annoying whit screaming women on a ww2 game
I have a question. How many concurrent bf4 players are there? Because as of right now Xbox servers have been very populated with large queues too. Both HC and Core playlists.
So many damn lies were given to us from EA and DICE, they should be ashamed of themselves.
As the Chernobyl TV show said: "what is the cost of lies?"
I believe it. Im a battlefield die hard fan and i just started playing battlefield v just because it wasn't that interesting after battlefield 1. It super watered down
I noticed that not a lot of players have been playing on BF5. It’s hard to get a full games lobby on the most popular game modes. It’s sad because it had the potential to be one of the best games but they messed up so bad that everybody is going to have a sour taste from Dice on the next game. Dice will need to make things a lot better because they are being blown out of the water by COD rn
Good video! Face cam is kinda pointless in my opinion though, you are interesting enough to listen to even without it 🙏
I always playing battlefield V everyday until I got tired of the first delays about the new faction
Look at the number of Twitch viewers for BFV. I checked the other day, and there were more viewers for Diablo 2.
I actually think that everything began with the decision to monetize the game through cosmetics instead of paid DLC/Season Pass. Cosmetics work well in a game like Overwatch where you can add any outrageous cosmetic option and it won't break anybody's immersion since the game had a space-cowboy and monkey with a tesla gun to begin with. But if you are a realistic WW2 shooter the only immersive skin is a boring soldier uniform. Thus to make it more cosmetics-friendly developers tried to make it cartoony. I don't know about others, but for me women in believable soldier uniforms, like the ones we have now in BF5, are way less immersion breaking than superheroes/supervillains from WW2 themed comics, which we saw in trailer and can have as elites. Political correctness and inclusiveness is just a small bonus to getting money from selling these cosmetics.
When Are you gonna to the next video???
All the PC players seemed to have ditched Battlefield 5, and changed over to Post Scriptum instead. Massive influx of online players in Post Scriptum recently. I guess people got tired of the Run and Gun Call of Duty type battlefield games, especially those set in WW2 and WW1 (yet played out like it's modern day), and decided to try a WW2 game that actually takes skill and teamwork to win in.
Despite what many of these comments try to lead readers to believe, The biggest reason it failed wasnt the "political correctness " , or the "historical accuracy ," it was the fact that upon release EA/Dice still hadn't fixed the horrendous netcode, hit registration, team balancing,and didnt install ping limits on servers thereby creating lag/latency from high pingers making the game unplayable at times! I have approximately 4000 hours played in the Battlefield franchise yet I only played bf v for less than 100 hours due to them not addressing these major issues......
so basically you're saying that BFV was fucked because it was fucked by a bunch of incompetent higher-ups who prolly has never played a game before, demanding nonsensical changes and highly questionable decisions, and that i should have seen the writing on the wall and ask for a refund at beta? because yeah, after all these years, i still feel cheated and i still want a damn refund
You imagine getting BFV as a chrismas present? Yikes.
I think they tried too hard to retain people. But all they did was push people away. All the things they did to cater to players actually infuriated the core fanbase.
don't listen to the community and just ignore game changers. He should be fired.
Soo true! I was a veteran but they don't care about us! Now I play Apex and it's far better but you just feel the grip of EA shitty managers ..... and respawn is a small team so they can't do much.... I wish Apex and Battlefield were owned by Epic Games... They now how to satisfy player and do not treat us as "uneducated" lols
My dumbass looked at that graph and went "Why's this graph only 11 days of data?", until I remembered that damn near everywhere else sets their dates up like DD/MM/YYYY
Not sure why anyone’s surprised that it’s ending live service. It had great potential content wise but with a new battlefield on the horizon, there was little potential play count wise. Dice has proven with this game they need all the time and resources they have to focus on the next battlefield or else it’s gonna be a repeat. Little more surprised about sbwf 2 ending it’s content updates since they actually turned that game around but it’s understandable that they want another team focusing on the make or break next battlefield game.
The game was tanking badly before the ttk,don't blame that for the failure,attrition and other br mech does not work in this game
I remember watching your BF1 vídeos in 2017... leave this trash and come back to us! We’re waiting
I’m having a hard time on Xbox just cuz of no hardcore mode, just core even though the devs said that the mode/ option would be coming to the game but it should’ve been in when it launched
I hope that BFV won't die as MoH.
I shan’t play any previous Battlefield game that has anything to do with Dice , I simply can’t support them anymore , not even Battlefront 2 . They have failed us and and knew for a long time they were doing this but didn’t tell us.
The release timing of BFV was terrible since BF1 was still releasing updates. They just moved many BF players from the BF1 servers to BFV, and then they just left since that was such a disappointment. Now BF1 still suffers from those losses. I still enjoy that game but now it's difficult to find a server with teams that will fight for objectives as needed. All the campers have lingered about.
Going from WW1 to WW2 was a terrible idea. Should have switched it up with mordern