Trump’s Guilty. Does Anyone Care?
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- In the days since a Manhattan jury found Donald Trump guilty of 34 felony counts, people have mostly been asking one big question.
Will this matter in November?
Over the past few days, our colleagues at The New York Times and at the Siena College Research Institute have been trying to answer that question. They spoke with 1,900 people they had previously polled to find out how they are currently thinking. Most people have not changed their mind. But some have - and they are moving away from Mr. Trump.
This week, Astead speaks with voters about how they are thinking about the presidential race after Mr. Trump’s conviction, including with people in one significant group: Trump supporters who said in October that if he were convicted and sentenced, they would back President Biden.
He also talks with Ruth Igielnik (www.nytimes.com/by/ruth-igielnik) , who helps oversee polling at The Times, to understand the latest data and who is still on the fence in the race.
Do you have a question about the 2024 election? We want to hear from you. Fill out this form (www.nytimes.com/article/2024-...) or email us a voice memo at therunup@nytimes.com (mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?fs=...)
Is the fact that people that said they would not vote for Trump if convicted are now saying they will still vote for Trump really surprising?
There are many reasons to not vote for Trump, but it really comes down to this question : Would you vote for a convicted felon or a law-Biden President ?
Voting is not mandatory. You can opt not to vote or select a third party. One doesn't have to be a manicheist. I will not vote for a pro-genocide candidate.
This is the result of a poor education system in the United States. We need to care about this or we better educated will be at the mercy of those who make poor choices and don’t know how to think.
You speak the truth
American culture is so toxic I don't think can make real progress on the educational front.
63 y.o. man featured the podcast
Really? I actually agree with you but those retired dudes are smart and know stuff. Are you surprised they don't care about Trump's convictions for *FINANCIAL FRAUD*???? I should remind you that no one in the top of any American bank was convicted for the frauds that put 25 MILLION Americans out of their houses, nor for causing 1/3 of the world's wealth to evaporate - causing an economic crisis that is still around affecting some countries more and some less but affecting all of them. Remember that guy who voted for Obama and then later for Trump? What the hell!!!? What caused that????
... it was Obama who did not go after the fraudsters who caused 2008 ...
EDIT: I really do agree with you about education - we both probably agree with John Dewey, btw. I should note that the problem isn't new - it existed when Dewey was alive, it got beter during the Cold War (thanks to Sputnik, btw) and then it started to decline again around the turn into the 1980s. Bellow is short documentary from 1987 about the problem featuring Steve Martin on an unusually serious role:
ua-cam.com/video/e0HGEZXTy8Y/v-deo.html
That ship sailed in the 70s and 80s
Kudos to the first interviewee for his honesty, but you can hear him contorting himself and making increasingly strained excuses. Note his use of the words "may" and "might" as in "if Trump was convicted (in Federal Court) for January 6, then I MIGHT have changed my mind to vote for him." Who the heck are these people?
The more I listen the more I kinda think we collectively don't deserve the democracy we inherited. Sad.
Once great newspapers in decline can give that impression.
TLDR: "I'm inna cult." Why doesn't the mainstream media like the New York Times fairly report _why_ people are struggling economically? It's a straight line from the economic policies of Ronald Reagan to today. Maybe there's some Stephen Pinker-esque version of the world where trickle-down economics worked, but it's failed for average Americans for all practical purposes. I never see stories that try to understand what life would have been like if wages had tracked with the US economic growth. What would the US look like with restaurant workers starting out at $23/hr (I think that's what the minimum wage would be)? Assuming union wages had kept pace, what would places like Springfield, OH, and Detroit, MI look like? What kind of world would we live in if the slice of the pie that the working and middle-class share hadn't gotten proportionally smaller? Would these Trump clowns still be around if we had fair reporting on the Republican Party and their economic agenda? I don't think so.
Want to see where working- and middle-class prosperity went? Check out any article of clothing you own, any appliance or gadget in your kitchen, or the electronic device upon which you are reading this. Fifty years ago, they were all made by unionized American workers. Did the Republicans ship all of those jobs overseas? Yes, but so did the Democrats.
Of course, that's not the only problem. The Greatest Generation were retired by 62 and dead soon after. Yet half of Boomers are still in the workforce and will live into their 80s. That means competing with a worker with decades of experience for jobs and promotions, less available housing, and later inheritance. Republicans' fault? No more than it is for Democrats.
Since Reagan was sworn in for his first term, Democrats have controlled both houses and the White House just as often as have Republicans. Why is it Democrats haven't undone all of this harm Republicans are supposedly doing?
Oh, and only about 1% of US workers earn the Federal minimum wage, and they live in places like Chester WV or Tupelo MS where you can buy a house on minimum wage.
amen
Do any of these people realize that the western European countries also had high inflation?
I deduced that they really don’t care about inflation, economic growth or anything else. They love Trump because he normalized hatred of people they don’t like. Immigrants, gay etc
"This crime is not serious enough of a crime" is such a low bar for a President. Richard Nixon committed a similar crime.
And he was going to be impeached and possibly charged with a crime. Only getting a pardon from President Ford saved him.
I would have asked these people what they read
This guy is a very shallow thinker, even as a Republican as I am, his critical thinking skills are very poor.
Like this comment if you started this video and panicked thinking you accidentally called somebody.
Yes, a majority of Americans care. But then a majority of American voters voted for Trump’s opponent in 2016 and 2020 - a result which will likely reoccur in 2024. How that will impact the Electoral College tally is anyone’s guess.
Wrong! Hillary Clinton did NOT get the majority of the vote in 2016
People know, deep down, that if a candidate is a convicted criminal, you ought not vote for the guy for president. C'mon, hah?
Guy who says 'if he was convicted of the capitol riot charges....' when he knows damn well Trump is 100% responsible...WTF? PLEASE don't vote! PLEASE!!
The question isn’t whether anyone cares.
It’s whether it makes any difference to society.
And the answer is no.
These phone calls include the respondents, including names and cities they live in. Times needs to pull this ad.
Please ask what a president can do about your rent?
He could socialize home construction and invest tax dollars directly into building affordable middle class homes, and low income apartments. He could provide tax incentives so that homebuilders take that action without government intervention. He could provide tax incentives and investment to companies who manufacture overseas to create low skill jobs in America, just as he did with the CHIPS act to create HIGH skilled jobs. I’m sure there are other ways.
At this point, NYT headlines are basically indistinguishable from The Onion.
This is excruciating to listen to. Honestly, and this may sound cynical, but a part of me kinda wants Trump to win just so he can implement the economic policies he intends to so inflation can skyrocket (and they will, just ask any economist about the 10% tariffs across the board) so these voters can suffer the consequences of their decision at the ballot box. Unfortunately we'll have to suffer with them, but at least they'll be suffering too. Lol
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They’ll just blame it on Biden as a legacy effect anyway. This is more like primatology - the silverback gorilla and his 24/7/365 display of dominance
The worst of the excruciation is facing the level of hate and ignorance among ordinary people in this country.
Regarding the second call:
How about asking those people what exactly a president should do to curb inflation etc. in this FREE MARKET ECONOMY?
Have they ever made up their minds, educated themselves what could be done?
Have they ever thought of what might happen when you pump money into a market, that tax cuts would have the same or at least a similar effect like subsidies or any stimuli regarding real estate and consumer goods?
Yes. You hardly ever see any pushback into people’s thinking. Frustrating to say the least.
Deregulate. Lower the barriers to entry and encourage competition.
@@ShankarSivarajan Congress passes budgets. Presidents can only propose them. So do you think Trump will do a better job of working with Congress than Biden, especially if the Democrats get the majority back (which looks likely)?
@@ShankarSivarajan
Didn't I use the term "exactly"?
Barriers to enter what? Deregulate what? ..and can the president actually do something about it?
Are those actually federal issues the president MIGHT do something about or are they on the state or county level?
And for those on the federal level, where the president is working, can the president do something about them by himself (by decree or whatever) it or is it the legislature's/congress's task? ..as the president can't create law, he can only sign or veto them.
Heck, I'm German and it seems to me I know more about the American system of governance than most Americans.
@@QuietRefl4378 I said nothing about budgets.
Of course the NYT did not ask if they will vote for Kennedy. A lot of folks are planning to, and a lot of younger liberals in MI are planning to vote for Stein. The corrupt establishment may execrate average folks and their leanings, but that doesn’t change that these votes will influence the outcome.
Big shock - there are NO Republicans with any principles.
Think of one.
Liz Cheney. Also Adam Kinzinger. Both republicans with principles, both out of power. Go figure.
The first guy’s blaming Biden for not stopping something that happened when Trump was president??
I thought the same thing. Why didn’t the interviewer interject that Trump WAS the President under all the BLM protests (and some of them became riots. You could even argue that Trump manufactured worse outcomes by bringing in forces that escalated the tensions, too.
The first call was clearly a scripted exchange. Was it supposed to be real?
If trump is guilty I want vote for him. Now his guilty I still will vote for him. Dude, why are some people stupid 😒 🙄
The real question is, why would anyone even consider voting for Biden?
@GreatWhiteCat I now see tge problem. You been trumpnotized and not for the better of humanity
@@brettbuchanan6720 wow, what a compelling argument, I am now edumacated.
@@GreatWhiteCat 1 drongo at a time
Look in the mirror, buddy!1
Reporters need to start challenging people on their obvious false and racist beliefs. Of my friends, family, and co-workers here in Kentucky I ask questions like "How did BLM protests affect you directly?" "Can you tell me one specific thing that Trump did that improved your life?" "Tell me one promise that Trump has made for his second term that would make a difference in your life." I get nothing.
"Can you tell me one specific thing that Trump did that improved your life?" The answer that they will not say is "own the libs" , they just want to take away the opportunities for those who are not like them regardless if they will ever use those opportunities.
Did the host’s accent change for certain calls?
Why talk to these people? What does it accomplish?
My longest time friend in Calif. He said, "Nothing matters. There is no judgement against DT would be acceptable. There is nothing that would change his vote for DT in November outcome/
The first caller exemplifies this - he says an "important" conviction would sway him, but then calls the election fraud case "just bookkeeping". He then mentions BLM, suggesting that what he really wants is to vote for the racist - no matter what.
Luckily enough the fucker is in California
@@welles28 I feel like I got sucker punched. I'm living in Japan for 25 years but I have voted in every federal and state election. My friend calls me a "NYTimes Yes Man". Yes, its probably true to a great extent. I knew I was risking my detachment by clicking on the Run UP. The first caller hit me. And to think there's still 5 more months. There are more important things in this world. Just try to control what I can control....and try to concentrate more on sports...lol
@@welles28 Yeah, that first caller was engaging in the most shallow whataboutism. There was not a layer of critical thought, just rationalization of his positions. Nothing was ever going to move him; I know people like him that claim they're persuadable so as to seem non-ideological, but they'll just rationalize. They won't really move their position when new evidence arrives.
I 'technickly' got a DUI once.
I hear calls to seditious liars, much like the many seditious liars commenting on this thread.
Nope.
Sub-text: The Times couldn't give an eff about American fascism and moral collapse is a-okay if you're preciously clever about it. Thanx!
It will matter
This race will be decided by women 20-45 that want to secure reproduction rights
actually it will be decided by the voters
Delusional. And I mean that as a well meaning independent.
That was 2022. You're living in the past man.
Can you really call this conversation journalism? Or a snippy if relatively civil political argument? Do we even collectively acknowledge that there’s a difference anymore?
Depressing af- how clueless people are.
TRUMP 2024 MAGA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No lol
Trumpy who?
Yes. As a juror, I don't want to be attacked. Trumpers are getting so ansey.
Thanks for keeping the horse race going by uncritically interviewing poorly informed Trump supporters. Wouldn't want a boring election season since besides war and elections nobody pays attention to you.
It's also much easier than accurately informing voters of what Trump was convicted of and why. That takes more than sitting on your butt making phone calls.
My Uncommitted Party just recruited 10M new fully-informed and sensible members.
No one cares because people can see how this was politically motivated
Bullshit, you fool.
How in the fuck was it? He committed a CRIME.
@@blacknrd05 Even Elie Honig said that the prosecutors contorted the law
Fake news.
The question should be, would you vote for Trump, Biden, or Kennedy. This is not a 2 party presidential election. We have a 3rd presidential candidate.
How surprising. A jury of his haters I mean peers found him guilty of a BS non crime
Sure I care. This just gives me more reason to vote for him. Thank you to the prosecutors of New York for bringing this trail forward and ushering America into the banana republic era. I now expect to see charges filed against Clinton, Bush, and Obama for their crimes while in office and out of office.
Trump will rule America until 2029. 😂
Well … maybe … if he wins in November and if the Heavenly Cheesburger doesn’t get him before the end of his term. And we’ll see whether he has a friendly Congress …
If he wins there will be no America to rule over, and the planet, and the life...