Happy you share the same opinion as our Schools. Wing Chun Kung Fu was an art invented by Shaolin Warriors who were already competent in other arts.... maybe the snake and crane styles ;) Wing Chun is a mixed martial art containing everything from Qi Gong to Qi Na to ground work. If your luck enough to be at a school which teaches good Wing Chun you will see how effective it really is !
Everyone wants their Kung Fu to be special or pure,when in fact,such a thing is impossible. Every system is evolving and improving through masters and students. Same thing with Wing Chun. It's only logical Yip Man modernised and changed it so much during his life time.
Sifu Sergio, obviously Yuen Kay Shan Influenced Yip Man, but what do you think about the story of Leung Bik being an alias for Fung Wah, student of Leung Jan, and classmate of Chan Wah Shun? Also, have you done any research on Lo Kwai lineage?
Wing Chun was founded by a nun ng mui From the Shaolin temple And laters taught it to Yim Wing Chun She taught to her husband when she died he name the art Wing Chun in memory of her
Austin Goh Martial Arts Training & Philosophy You really need to read my book you can buy it at www.sifusergio.com/shop it will update you on the history and make clear what are facts and legends
+Austin Goh Martial Arts Training & Philosophy No, you're wrong. There was no Ng Mui or Wing Chun. There are no records they ever existed. That was just a rouse that was made up to keep the manchurian government away from the shaolin temple while wing chun was being made. it consists of five systems from the five elders. They are white crane, white eyebrow, hung gar, choy li fut, and shaolin. You need to read the sifus book.
+The Wing Chun Kung Fu Channel by Sifu Sergio Will definitely be buying your book when I next get paid. Will be interesting to hear your informed take on the legend of the initial development of Wing Chun. As soon as I heard it, my nonsense radar started beeping at a lot of it. Nice little story, but reeks of romanticism. I kind of expect martial arts, such as Wing Chun, to have evolved in similar ways to a language. Over time there is change, moves are added and subtracted depending on the people practising the art. They can fuse with ideas from other styles, branch off into variants, and of course there is individual variation through experimentation and experience. In languages loanwords appear from other languages, dialects are going to be there, then the idiosyncrasies of a particular speaker which can change throughout a person's life. While there can be much common ground, a largely common grammar if you like, there is always change and variation. Purity seems an impossible thing: as long as people are involved, change and variation will also be involved. And, like in some languages like English, silly arguments of what is "proper" English, when the reality is that it has always been a living, organic, changing form.While I happen to go to a class where there is a lineage from Ip Man, via students of students of Samuel Kwok, thankfully they understand this nature of the art. Anyway, sorry for the essay, thought I'd chip in a little but it became a lot! Great video!
It's not even close to the truth. There was NO Ng Mui or wing chun! There are no records of them ever existing. That was just a clever rouse to keep the Manchurian government away from the Shaolin temple long enough for them to train and to develop the newest and best system, wing chun. Wing chun was developed by the FIVE ELDERS, and consists of choy li fut, white eyebrow, white crane, hung gar and shaolin. The only moves taken out of wing chun were the triple duplicate moves in the forms. As long as you follow the ten concepts, and stay within their boundaries, any of the moves done in wing chun can be done at different levels and angles. No, you are WRONG! You CAN'T mix wing chun with ANY OTHER MARTIAL ART! This is because wing chun is the ONLY fully conceptual martial art on the planet. Other martial arts are usually technique-based, meaning the techniques dictate response, NOT the concepts. And some are a mix of BOTH, like JKD. By using wing chun in a technique-based martial art, you weaken the essence of the wing chun and make it less effective. That is why JKD is a second-rate martial art, in my opinion. It uses technique-based martial arts, like boxing, muay thai and grappling, among others, as it's main base, and that introduces major flaws and stiffness into the system. Wing chun's concepts give the system flexibility and you compromise that when you don't use all ten concepts at once. You also MUST know the whole wing chun system for it to work properly. By using bits and pieces of the system, you are not using all the benefits of the system, which help it to work properly, like proper footwork and proper way to close the distance. Technique-based systems have a tendency to stay in mid-range, which allows your opponent more opportunities to attack, or take you down. In wing chun, we are a close combat martial art, which means that we close the distance quickly, giving us a major advantage, because most do not know how to handle being pressured. No, purity of the wing chun system means NOT learning any other system but wing chun, and learning the complete system. That is the only way to insure that the system is learned properly and completely.
+mightymeatmonsta I think you have really misunderstood me, or perhaps I should have worded my comment with more thought, as I did write it quickly. I agree with you largely, perhaps almost completely. Especially on learning the entire system thoroughly and properly understanding all of the concepts and trying to master the entire system, and learning to use it. Also, I know the legend of the characters of Ng Mui and Wing Chun is almost certainly nonsense. I thought that was clear when I said the my nonsense radar went off when I first heard the story, but looking upon the wording in my comment, there seems some room for ambiguity as to what I was referring to. When I refer to borrowing from other styles, it must be able to fit within the conceptual basis of Wing Chun, with certain movements perhaps tweaked, or inspiring appropriate but new movements to fit within the system, the grammar if you will. I was putting forth an idea that perhaps in the past it evolved by doing so. It was an off the cuff hypothesis based on how many systems, whether it be martial arts, computing, science, languages, and so on can develop and how you can get variants in certain systems, mainly in the likes of language, and how in other martial arts you can get different variants which share a common core. I certainly admit, I am ignorant on many aspects of Wing Chun as a beginner, but what brought me to Wing Chun rather than any other art was the thoroughness and logic I could see in the system and conceptual basis of it after reading into it. There is no need for hostility.
I really like this video. The same can apply to any martial art, don't limit yourself or put the art in a box. I for one believe that all martial arts are meant to change and evolve. Just my opinion of course.
I truly enjoy your explorations of the history and roots of Wing Tjun, especially the Yong Chun White crane. I had the opportunity a very long time ago to Study the basics of White Crane in NYC . And though that school closed it affected how I approached the classical Okinawan Arts taught to me in Ryukyu Kempo by Seiyu Oyata. Which is much different than modern styles of Karate and places emphasis on energy, placement and proper form for Life Protection ( not Karate Do but Karate Jitsu, and the even older KARA=Chinese influences which were primarily White Crane). I see the roots of the Classical Karate that I was taught in your movements. Please never stop learning or passing on knowledge it is a honor and a pleasure to watch.
Wow! I am in awe with your insight. This short video has opened my eyes into aspects of our system that I had previously never considered. Sifu Sergio, you have accomplished more than most "great grandmasters" of Wing Chun have when it comes to THE TRUTH about Wing Chun. Please do not stop in your search for knowledge and understanding. Well done!
Sergio has done well in his research,. Respect is given. You have to become your own teacher and use your teacher as a guide. For me I was taught the Ving Tsun format and I did not just believe what I was told the times have changed you have to test it and if you feel you can add or remove that`s fine. You have to teach what was taught to you first. As long as you can say you changed it and why. For me most do not understand well enough before they make changes.. I just keep simplifying more and more.. looking deeper and deeper. Always a student not a master as long as I am learning, they is my interest. For results there is no easy short cuts but lots of practice. The only thing I would say is to find the balance in all you do, each technique has a optimum balance. I challenge Ving Tsun to work and love teaching others! As Bruce said knowing is not enough we must apply. And everyone has their road to go.
Sifu Sergio, I only have one comment. Maybe there are loyal disciples of Ip Man that would just like to pass down what Ip Man taught (whoever he learned from), which they found to be "worth" preserving. The way you say it in this video, is as if Ip Man taught junk.
The Wing Chun Kung Fu Channel by Sifu Sergio brilliantly articulated, iv tried to tell people ip man didnt make wing chun he only made it easier to learn, untill people realise that there is no "magic sauce" and definitely no true lineage, I find it incredibly insulting for someone to renounce all other wing chun other than their own, most of these people have only ever trained in one system so I find it hard to understand how they are qualified to judge other systems, it must be through their sifu's im sorry to say. Untill we can all get along and train with each other and exchange knowledge and ideas wing chun will continue to "limp" on
I bet Bruce Lee would have not come to the conclusion that WC was not a complete system if he had been training in base a pure lineage. He likely looked elsewhere because it was too simplified.
It is very difficult to understand what the sense of this topic is. Chinese Wing Chun is a Health and Wellness training with Taoistic background. European Wing Chun is more practical oriented and in some lineages even suitable to real combat. Both methods have their benefits and disadvantages. But what is meant by "Pure Lineage". in this context? "Pure..." ?. Do they mean that there is a legendary Yim Wing Tsun with some supernatural skills and you have to find the real "Pure Lineage" to learn how to fly above a house? Or do they believe that there is a pure lineage wich has been initiated by the Buddha himself? It would be really interesting if somoene can answer the question what "pure lineage" in this case means and what kind of special benefit this implicates
my sifu who learnt from Ip chun and others said won shon leuong changed the dummy form and put the kicks in a more logical sequence, so is that pure ? no. Is it practical ? yes
Thanks. This is one of the reasons why I am not an instructor anymore. It’s the reason I gave up on studying here in the USA. My wing Chun, wing tsun, ving Chun ... experience has been exactly as you have explained. I still practice my gong fu. It keeps me happy and healthy. I have taught to others and it was effective, and saved them. I can say that honestly that I’ve never had to use it...Thank God!!! I fear what might happen. I agree. Everyone needs to wake up and unite for the art. I am currently researching Eddie Chong/Pan nam(for past 10 years), and also Andreas Hoffman/Chi Shim(same). Before that I studied Chu Shong Tin who my Sifu (Richard Guerra) had spent some time with when he was training with Ip Ching. He also was Leung Ting’s top Student for some period(1970’s?) and before that was Filipino wing Chun when he was fighting in Vietnam. I’m not trying to boast. I’m no great fighter. I don’t really tell anyone about my training or experience. This is probably the first time I’ve ever revealed anything like this. Why now? Because I believe in what you are trying to do. I also wish that I had someone to practice with, and I might start a group that would be for free(or as free as can be... nothing is really for free). I really respect my teachers and love this art. Thank you!!! God Bless you.
Yip man was the one whom simply modified the system for the sake of practicality. ..And,the first to test it against western boxers with great success! Bruce Lee simply took it further. He just had to much going on at the same time,and over exerted himself.
Absolutely right, sifu! This is why I say you should do tutorials from many different sifus and masters. Not everyone one knows every nuance and suttleties of the style. This way you get a well-rounded approach to your training. You should also do research because wing chun is a science, the science of angles, to be exact, and as in science, you have to do extensive research to learn it and apply it. It helps you to understand the system better.
Yuen Kay San learned from Fung Siu Ching, yet it has 6-and-half pole form. So how can Sergio say that Ip Man stole the pole form from Tang Yik? Then how did Yuen Kay San get his pole form from? Tang Yik too? Sergio is too biased into dissing whatever about Ip Man.
I alwayz said the same thing in regards to wing chun. People should research and respect all lineage of that art aswell as other arts and incorporate what iz needed to further improve self as well as the art you desire to master. Keep doing what your doing sergio and embrace all, and all will eventually embrace you god bless.
Respect for your immense courage and honesty!!!! I can see many people are mad at you for breaking their rice bowl! I am sure many people see you are trying to help the WC society to improve their reputation ultimately. There is a reason so many criticized WC. You did a wonderful job in finding the roots of WC! for the WC world to know there is more to WC. Learning a few WC posture and mixing all different styles doesn't necessary make it more WC! It only prove the opposite. The same reason Bruce Lee invented JKD. you can not improve on something that you don't really understand nor finish the course.
Excellent video. Really appreciate your efforts SIfu Sergio. We need more Sifus that can tread your path of researching knowledge before teaching to their students. Ignorance is like a disease whose affect can be felt through generations. THe cure for ignorance is knowledge. Thank you again. Keep up the good work....
Thank you. Great video and knowledge. It's good to know that others understand the perspective and influence sifu's provide to their students. I have a great Sifu and he understand this completely.
Very well said. I do not practice Wing Chun (I am a Tai Ji and Ba Gua guy myself) but I can appreciate wanting to learn from diff lineages to get most complete picture. One question I have for you my brother is - how have you managed to study under so many different Sifu's? I know many teachers are very traditional and do not want you learning under other teachers, etc. and disapprove of learning diff lineages.
don't worry about it, wing chun is made up, built on tai chi, bagua, xing yi, snake , and chin na..if you are good at tai chi and bagua you are probably better at wing chun than most wing chun guys. Smile
So how does lineage make your wing chun good?Nah I think it's the individual that makes your Chinese boxing great...lineage doesn't really matter it's where you find a authentic wing chun school because now a days there's a lot of crap fake ones.....
Thank you sifu. It is always so good to hear you talk on and see you perform wing chun.That puts light on the William chueng controversy.Sifu is it wrong for me to put my own spin on wing chun and still call it traditional wing chun. Or even wing chun is self.For instance they say wing chun doesn't kick high. But why not teach it just encase. They say the system only has front, side and what I like to call the invisible kick and some systems low half round kick. But I can think of four other kicks that would fit and not change the systems theory of close range. To better prepare the wing chun man for more versatile choices in combat. Doesn't the art have to change, vary and grow with time, persons and circumstances. While still maintaining on teaching is traditional foundation and structure. Sincerely Jerry C
Wing Chun is a very individualized martial art in that it benefits different people in different ways. I complement your search for knowledge, but you miss the main point of learning Wing Chun. Ip Man was a stepping stone to Wing Chun moving west. If it were not for Ip Man and Bruce Lee, this conversation would not exist. I have studied Wing Chun for almost forty years and have benefited from its discipline, health, and the continued search for perfecting each movement for it's best use.
Yep. All it takes is a little research to find out that wing chun before ip man has so many variations and that traditional and authentic depends on how far back you want to go.
Ip man style is paired down wing chun very specialized yuen kay san learned from 2police/bounty hunters that also used chinna and anti chinna techniques as well as other techniques so yuen kay san is a larger style where as ip man style is streamlined
not sure if your facts are right but you are right about looking back past ip man to 1. not lose valuable lessons 2. not lose valuable wing chun history.
I wanted to write a lot, but decided to say little... I don't understand what kind of people are asking those questions, they need to be happy to have any traces of Wing Chun in their area, they need to appreciate to have the ability to learn from Sifu and not from youtube videos and books. Does it matter which lineage are you following when you are just a beginner? You won't understand any difference.
Excellent video Sergio! Two thumbs up! One can only hope it opens the eyes of some people. I encourage everyone to do some research on their own. It's amazing what you will learn from doing just a little. In the end we need to pull together and share our knowledge to make us all better.
I agree with most of what your saying. Having researched Chan Yiu min lineage, Ip man's Foshan teachings to Gwok fu and leung Gai (which differ slightly) and then the HK lineage it is clear his idea's were constantly evolving. Yuen was likely an influence but the vast majority of what we know on Yuen comes through the eyes of Sum nun's statements and can not be taken as fact. Just saying some caution and objectivity is needed. As to Luk Dim Boon Guan, because it fell out of practice or some of Ip man's sihing's did not learn it or pass it on or chose not to show it to you does not mean it never existed! Gulao does indeed teach a 3 point pole which according to them was shortened down by Leung Jan so to assume there was no 6 1/2 prior and that Ip man got this only from Tang Yik is suspect. Something that needs to be re examined objectively. Sure he *May* have been influenced but he certainly had access to the form. Moy Yat legend of the Kung fu masters recalls private conversation on the pole and it's history. So again I agree with most of what your saying and certainly the attitude your expressing but not all of the conclusions. Regards (I enjoy your videos), Tom
Yuen Kay San lineage has Luk Dim Boon Guan. Yiu Choy lineage has Luk Dim Boon Guan. Chan Yiu Min lineage has Luk Dim Boon Guan. So for Sergio to declare that ONLY Tang Yik is the right source of the pole form, and that Ip Man stole the first movements to create Luk Dim Boon Guan is really biased. Sergio is now into Weng Chun from the Dai Dak Lan group, and dissing Ip Man wherever he can. It just does not make sense anymore.
I will one day make a video about that for now no need for negative energy,what i can say however is that his history is NOT like he presents it, far from it in fact
The Wing Chun Kung Fu Channel by Sifu Sergio i would love if u would make a video about this its interesting ?/ thanks sergio also about the footwork this is where i thing william has the advantage
The Wing Chun Kung Fu Channel by Sifu Sergio I have spent awhile in this system. I have heard many stories and rumors. I respect your opinions and hope you could tell me some info, even if in a personal message. Thank you
What is Wing Chun? As someone who has trained and touched hands with both Hong Kong and mainland Wing Chun I find the Hong Kong Wing Chun to be far superior in my opinion. There rooting, center line, chi sao, forward intention is far greater. Most mainland guys are all over the place in there chi sao, no forward intention, no center line. It is like they are flopping there hands around. They rely mostly on speed. Just my opinion. As for Ip Ching or Ip Chun ,"knowing the truth". What truth? The truth that there Dad created a far superior system of Wing Chun, Ip Chun went to Fatshan as a sign of respect to the ancestors and his Dad and his Dad's teachers not to admit any truth, not to admit he and is Dad's style is lacking as you are suggestion. "Give his excuses to the Yuen Kay San family they know the truth" never happened.
i keep saying this for years in Brazil, the guys simply freaks out, wing chun is a mix, yip man simpify very much what he did learn so" pure" doesent existe at all!
+Peterson Menezes It does exist, but not here in the US, Canada, Europe or Asia. You have to go to places like taiwan or Malaysia to get the original, pure wing chun.
I think you mispelled his name, but I think I know who you are talking about. If he is from Malaysia, then chances are, he is one of the masters who knows one of the older systems of wing chun.
why is Yip Mans Wing Chun so popular? I study Wing Chun and everyone I've met and most videos I see online of Wing Chun practitioners, we all can all trace our lineage to Yip Man. I know in Vietnam it's a different case. But why is that it's hard to find Wing Chun that doesn't trace back to Yip Man?
to wing ho leung......one thing i know is missed from some sifuz is, the ground game of wing chun. wing chun chi na used to be lost. my sifu has brought it back from the grave. it's one of the most amazing eye openers of the century, in my opinion. sure it looks like jew gitsu, but the heart and focus is our wing chun, horizontally.
You have omitted the fact that Yip Man also studied from none other than one of Dr. Leung Jan's sons.....Leung Bik! That's what GM YIp Chun says believe it or not.
The Wing Chun Kung Fu Channel by Sifu Sergio I have video footage where GM Ip Chun says his father, also learned privately from Leung Bik. Is he lying then? Why would he lie?
+Lescouflair. Chun isn't lying. Man did learn from leung bik who essentially taught him how to put shaolin kung fu back into wing chun. People rarely discuss the shaolin origin of wing chun and the abbess ng mui. People who make videos like this are simply trying to spread their propaganda to artificially prop up their form of wing chun. Lots of ego and pride in the world of wing chun... probably why lots of sifus don't spar with their students.
Endlich mal jemand der im Geiste offen ist klar ist Ip Man einer der Meister aber irgendwo her muss das Wissen auch kommen genau so wie bei Bruce Lee auch er hat sein Wissen und können von allen Kämpferischen Stilen zusammen Gesuch! Also sammle alles was du findest was für dich funktioniert und logisch ist alles überflüssige sondert man aus darauf kommt es an! "Erfahrung" Danke nochmal Sergio!! LG von Deutschland
lol. pure. not pure. lineage. no lineage. if u're not concentrating all of ur energy in SLT, none of ur wing chun will ever come close to being of any "pureness" .
pure lineage of any martial art is ... laughable, and a petty thing to focus on. Ip Man's students who teach: Wong Sheun-Leung, William Cheung, Leung Sheung, Ip Chung, are very different from each other; they focus on the various concepts at different times and even give them different priorities... and even the next step down are quite different from each other... Barry Lee, David Petersen and Gary Lam come from WSL and their teachings are quite different, Alon Peterson is quite different from Master Joe (dunno his full name, but touching hands with him and learning from him was different than learning from his Sidi, Alon, who did become a sifu of his own school in his own right) and the same can be said for other martial arts... hell no martial art studio/dojo/kwoon produces the same martial artist twice. If one person is left handed, that will affect their teaching, if another person has a mind for geometry and another person has a mind for calligraphy learning from the same school and teacher... will teach slightly different takes on their martial arts. And it should be.. we humans are a varied species, why should we seek conformity? So long as it works for them and what they teach benefits another in some way.
Happy you share the same opinion as our Schools. Wing Chun Kung Fu was an art invented by Shaolin Warriors who were already competent in other arts.... maybe the snake and crane styles ;) Wing Chun is a mixed martial art containing everything from Qi Gong to Qi Na to ground work. If your luck enough to be at a school which teaches good Wing Chun you will see how effective it really is !
Everyone wants their Kung Fu to be special or pure,when in fact,such a thing is impossible. Every system is evolving and improving through masters and students. Same thing with Wing Chun. It's only logical Yip Man modernised and changed it so much during his life time.
Sifu Sergio, obviously Yuen Kay Shan Influenced Yip Man, but what do you think about the story of Leung Bik being an alias for Fung Wah, student of Leung Jan, and classmate of Chan Wah Shun?
Also, have you done any research on Lo Kwai lineage?
Wing Chun was founded by a nun ng mui
From the Shaolin temple
And laters taught it to Yim Wing Chun
She taught to her husband when she died he name the art Wing Chun in memory of her
Austin Goh Martial Arts Training & Philosophy You really need to read my book you can buy it at www.sifusergio.com/shop it will update you on the history and make clear what are facts and legends
+Austin Goh Martial Arts Training & Philosophy No, you're wrong. There was no Ng Mui or Wing Chun. There are no records they ever existed. That was just a rouse that was made up to keep the manchurian government away from the shaolin temple while wing chun was being made. it consists of five systems from the five elders. They are white crane, white eyebrow, hung gar, choy li fut, and shaolin. You need to read the sifus book.
+The Wing Chun Kung Fu Channel by Sifu Sergio Will definitely be buying your book when I next get paid. Will be interesting to hear your informed take on the legend of the initial development of Wing Chun. As soon as I heard it, my nonsense radar started beeping at a lot of it. Nice little story, but reeks of romanticism. I kind of expect martial arts, such as Wing Chun, to have evolved in similar ways to a language.
Over time there is change, moves are added and subtracted depending on the people practising the art. They can fuse with ideas from other styles, branch off into variants, and of course there is individual variation through experimentation and experience. In languages loanwords appear from other languages, dialects are going to be there, then the idiosyncrasies of a particular speaker which can change throughout a person's life.
While there can be much common ground, a largely common grammar if you like, there is always change and variation. Purity seems an impossible thing: as long as people are involved, change and variation will also be involved. And, like in some languages like English, silly arguments of what is "proper" English, when the reality is that it has always been a living, organic, changing form.While I happen to go to a class where there is a lineage from Ip Man, via students of students of Samuel Kwok, thankfully they understand this nature of the art. Anyway, sorry for the essay, thought I'd chip in a little but it became a lot! Great video!
It's not even close to the truth. There was NO Ng Mui or wing chun! There are no records of them ever existing. That was just a clever rouse to keep the Manchurian government away from the Shaolin temple long enough for them to train and to develop the newest and best system, wing chun. Wing chun was developed by the FIVE ELDERS, and consists of choy li fut, white eyebrow, white crane, hung gar and shaolin. The only moves taken out of wing chun were the triple duplicate moves in the forms. As long as you follow the ten concepts, and stay within their boundaries, any of the moves done in wing chun can be done at different levels and angles. No, you are WRONG! You CAN'T mix wing chun with ANY OTHER MARTIAL ART! This is because wing chun is the ONLY fully conceptual martial art on the planet. Other martial arts are usually technique-based, meaning the techniques dictate response, NOT the concepts. And some are a mix of BOTH, like JKD. By using wing chun in a technique-based martial art, you weaken the essence of the wing chun and make it less effective. That is why JKD is a second-rate martial art, in my opinion. It uses technique-based martial arts, like boxing, muay thai and grappling, among others, as it's main base, and that introduces major flaws and stiffness into the system. Wing chun's concepts give the system flexibility and you compromise that when you don't use all ten concepts at once. You also MUST know the whole wing chun system for it to work properly. By using bits and pieces of the system, you are not using all the benefits of the system, which help it to work properly, like proper footwork and proper way to close the distance. Technique-based systems have a tendency to stay in mid-range, which allows your opponent more opportunities to attack, or take you down. In wing chun, we are a close combat martial art, which means that we close the distance quickly, giving us a major advantage, because most do not know how to handle being pressured. No, purity of the wing chun system means NOT learning any other system but wing chun, and learning the complete system. That is the only way to insure that the system is learned properly and completely.
+mightymeatmonsta I think you have really misunderstood me, or perhaps I should have worded my comment with more thought, as I did write it quickly. I agree with you largely, perhaps almost completely. Especially on learning the entire system thoroughly and properly understanding all of the concepts and trying to master the entire system, and learning to use it.
Also, I know the legend of the characters of Ng Mui and Wing Chun is almost certainly nonsense. I thought that was clear when I said the my nonsense radar went off when I first heard the story, but looking upon the wording in my comment, there seems some room for ambiguity as to what I was referring to.
When I refer to borrowing from other styles, it must be able to fit within the conceptual basis of Wing Chun, with certain movements perhaps tweaked, or inspiring appropriate but new movements to fit within the system, the grammar if you will. I was putting forth an idea that perhaps in the past it evolved by doing so. It was an off the cuff hypothesis based on how many systems, whether it be martial arts, computing, science, languages, and so on can develop and how you can get variants in certain systems, mainly in the likes of language, and how in other martial arts you can get different variants which share a common core.
I certainly admit, I am ignorant on many aspects of Wing Chun as a beginner, but what brought me to Wing Chun rather than any other art was the thoroughness and logic I could see in the system and conceptual basis of it after reading into it.
There is no need for hostility.
I really like this video. The same can apply to any martial art, don't limit yourself or put the art in a box. I for one believe that all martial arts are meant to change and evolve. Just my opinion of course.
I truly enjoy your explorations of the history and roots of Wing Tjun, especially the Yong Chun White crane. I had the opportunity a very long time ago to Study the basics of White Crane in NYC . And though that school closed it affected how I approached the classical Okinawan Arts taught to me in Ryukyu Kempo by Seiyu Oyata. Which is much different than modern styles of Karate and places emphasis on energy, placement and proper form for Life Protection ( not Karate Do but Karate Jitsu, and the even older KARA=Chinese influences which were primarily White Crane). I see the roots of the Classical Karate that I was taught in your movements. Please never stop learning or passing on knowledge it is a honor and a pleasure to watch.
Wow! I am in awe with your insight. This short video has opened my eyes into aspects of our system that I had previously never considered. Sifu Sergio, you have accomplished more than most "great grandmasters" of Wing Chun have when it comes to THE TRUTH about Wing Chun. Please do not stop in your search for knowledge and understanding. Well done!
Sergio has done well in his research,. Respect is given. You have to become your own teacher and use your teacher as a guide. For me I was taught the Ving Tsun format and I did not just believe what I was told the times have changed you have to test it and if you feel you can add or remove that`s fine. You have to teach what was taught to you first. As long as you can say you changed it and why. For me most do not understand well enough before they make changes.. I just keep simplifying more and more.. looking deeper and deeper. Always a student not a master as long as I am learning, they is my interest. For results there is no easy short cuts but lots of practice. The only thing I would say is to find the balance in all you do, each technique has a optimum balance. I challenge Ving Tsun to work and love teaching others! As Bruce said knowing is not enough we must apply. And everyone has their road to go.
Sifu Sergio, I only have one comment. Maybe there are loyal disciples of Ip Man that would just like to pass down what Ip Man taught (whoever he learned from), which they found to be "worth" preserving. The way you say it in this video, is as if Ip Man taught junk.
Thank you. thank you thank you.......I see this in many arts! It takes a person with your back ground to do this Sifu. Thank you
We thank you, Sifu Sergio.
Awesome, Sifu Sergio. Simply awesome.
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The Wing Chun Kung Fu Channel by Sifu Sergio brilliantly articulated, iv tried to tell people ip man didnt make wing chun he only made it easier to learn, untill people realise that there is no "magic sauce" and definitely no true lineage, I find it incredibly insulting for someone to renounce all other wing chun other than their own, most of these people have only ever trained in one system so I find it hard to understand how they are qualified to judge other systems, it must be through their sifu's im sorry to say. Untill we can all get along and train with each other and exchange knowledge and ideas wing chun will continue to "limp" on
I bet Bruce Lee would have not come to the conclusion that WC was not a complete system if he had been training in base a pure lineage. He likely looked elsewhere because it was too simplified.
why does it matter if Ip Man lineage was 'pure' or not
It is very difficult to understand what the sense of this topic is. Chinese Wing Chun is a Health and Wellness training with Taoistic background. European Wing Chun is more practical oriented and in some lineages even suitable to real combat. Both methods have their benefits and disadvantages. But what is meant by "Pure Lineage". in this context? "Pure..." ?. Do they mean that there is a legendary Yim Wing Tsun with some supernatural skills and you have to find the real "Pure Lineage" to learn how to fly above a house? Or do they believe that there is a pure lineage wich has been initiated by the Buddha himself? It would be really interesting if somoene can answer the question what "pure lineage" in this case means and what kind of special benefit this implicates
my sifu who learnt from Ip chun and others said won shon leuong changed the dummy form and put the kicks in a more logical sequence, so is that pure ? no. Is it practical ? yes
Humans evolve and all martial arts will also evolve with time...
Six and half point pole is xouling dragon pole. It included in many southern China kongfu’s curriculum. There are no secret about it
Yip Man is a crucial part of Wing Chun, but even he's not 100 percent.
Thanks. This is one of the reasons why I am not an instructor anymore. It’s the reason I gave up on studying here in the USA. My wing Chun, wing tsun, ving Chun ... experience has been exactly as you have explained.
I still practice my gong fu. It keeps me happy and healthy. I have taught to others and it was effective, and saved them. I can say that honestly that I’ve never had to use it...Thank God!!! I fear what might happen.
I agree. Everyone needs to wake up and unite for the art.
I am currently researching Eddie Chong/Pan nam(for past 10 years), and also Andreas Hoffman/Chi Shim(same). Before that I studied Chu Shong Tin who my Sifu (Richard Guerra) had spent some time with when he was training with Ip Ching. He also was Leung Ting’s top Student for some period(1970’s?) and before that was Filipino wing Chun when he was fighting in Vietnam.
I’m not trying to boast. I’m no great fighter. I don’t really tell anyone about my training or experience. This is probably the first time I’ve ever revealed anything like this. Why now? Because I believe in what you are trying to do. I also wish that I had someone to practice with, and I might start a group that would be for free(or as free as can be... nothing is really for free). I really respect my teachers and love this art. Thank you!!! God Bless you.
Yip man was the one whom simply modified the system for the sake of practicality. ..And,the first to test it against western boxers with great success!
Bruce Lee simply took it further.
He just had to much going on at the same time,and over exerted himself.
There has never been any purity concerning the system.This is why it is scientific/principles based. Martial Intelligence baby !
these videos open my eyes to a lot of history thanks and peace Sifu Sergio
highly respect for sifu sergio, he'd travel all over china and asian to learn about the history of kung fu, and he's a true master of wing chun.
Absolutely right, sifu! This is why I say you should do tutorials from many different sifus and masters. Not everyone one knows every nuance and suttleties of the style. This way you get a well-rounded approach to your training. You should also do research because wing chun is a science, the science of angles, to be exact, and as in science, you have to do extensive research to learn it and apply it. It helps you to understand the system better.
Yuen Kay San learned from Fung Siu Ching, yet it has 6-and-half pole form. So how can Sergio say that Ip Man stole the pole form from Tang Yik? Then how did Yuen Kay San get his pole form from? Tang Yik too? Sergio is too biased into dissing whatever about Ip Man.
I alwayz said the same thing in regards to wing chun. People should research and respect all lineage of that art aswell as other arts and incorporate what iz needed to further improve self as well as the art you desire to master. Keep doing what your doing sergio and embrace all, and all will eventually embrace you god bless.
Respect for your immense courage and honesty!!!! I can see many people are mad at you for breaking their rice bowl! I am sure many people see you are trying to help the WC society to improve their reputation ultimately. There is a reason so many criticized WC.
You did a wonderful job in finding the roots of WC! for the WC world to know there is more to WC.
Learning a few WC posture and mixing all different styles doesn't necessary make it more WC! It only prove the opposite. The same reason Bruce Lee invented JKD. you can not improve on something that you don't really understand nor finish the course.
Excellent video. Really appreciate your efforts SIfu Sergio. We need more Sifus that can tread your path of researching knowledge before teaching to their students. Ignorance is like a disease whose affect can be felt through generations. THe cure for ignorance is knowledge. Thank you again. Keep up the good work....
Thanks for the feedback i appreciate it
We can talk about lineage of any learnings but no point to talk about what is PURE. Whatever researches on lineages are just stories.
very clear Sifu!
Wing Chun Did not begain with Yip Man no did it end with Bruce Lee. You make some good points.
Thank you. Great video and knowledge. It's good to know that others understand the perspective and influence sifu's provide to their students. I have a great Sifu and he understand this completely.
Great piece.. like the honesty!!
Very well said. I do not practice Wing Chun (I am a Tai Ji and Ba Gua guy myself) but I can appreciate wanting to learn from diff lineages to get most complete picture. One question I have for you my brother is - how have you managed to study under so many different Sifu's? I know many teachers are very traditional and do not want you learning under other teachers, etc. and disapprove of learning diff lineages.
don't worry about it, wing chun is made up, built on tai chi, bagua, xing yi, snake , and chin na..if you are good at tai chi and bagua you are probably better at wing chun than most wing chun guys. Smile
So how does lineage make your wing chun good?Nah I think it's the individual that makes your Chinese boxing great...lineage doesn't really matter it's where you find a authentic wing chun school because now a days there's a lot of crap fake ones.....
Thank you sifu. It is always so good to hear you talk on and see you perform wing chun.That puts light on the William chueng controversy.Sifu is it wrong for me to put my own spin on wing chun and still call it traditional wing chun. Or even wing chun is self.For instance they say wing chun doesn't kick high. But why not teach it just encase. They say the system only has front, side and what I like to call the invisible kick and some systems low half round kick. But I can think of four other kicks that would fit and not change the systems theory of close range. To better prepare the wing chun man for more versatile choices in combat. Doesn't the art have to change, vary and grow with time, persons and circumstances. While still maintaining on teaching is traditional foundation and structure. Sincerely Jerry C
where are u at??? So envy of you can travel abroad to so many places to discover kung fu....
Wing Chun is a very individualized martial art in that it benefits different people in different ways. I complement your search for knowledge, but you miss the main point of learning Wing Chun. Ip Man was a stepping stone to Wing Chun moving west. If it were not for Ip Man and Bruce Lee, this conversation would not exist.
I have studied Wing Chun for almost forty years and have benefited from its discipline, health, and the continued search for perfecting each movement for it's best use.
Fabolous explanation!
Yep. All it takes is a little research to find out that wing chun before ip man has so many variations and that traditional and authentic depends on how far back you want to go.
Ip man style is paired down wing chun very specialized yuen kay san learned from 2police/bounty hunters that also used chinna and anti chinna techniques as well as other techniques so yuen kay san is a larger style where as ip man style is streamlined
Man martial arts are always training and never teaches the same to any student especially as they grow older
I agree with u Sifu Sergio about everything u said
what can u tell about lok yiu?
Who cares? The important is the efficiency!
I agree with what he said
Much respect to you sifu
not sure if your facts are right but you are right about looking back past ip man to 1. not lose valuable lessons 2. not lose valuable wing chun history.
I wanted to write a lot, but decided to say little...
I don't understand what kind of people are asking those questions, they need to be happy to have any traces of Wing Chun in their area, they need to appreciate to have the ability to learn from Sifu and not from youtube videos and books.
Does it matter which lineage are you following when you are just a beginner? You won't understand any difference.
peace and thanks for making this video... I love Ip man too but I also love the teachings of inclusion of old and new.
Excellent video Sergio! Two thumbs up! One can only hope it opens the eyes of some people. I encourage everyone to do some research on their own. It's amazing what you will learn from doing just a little. In the end we need to pull together and share our knowledge to make us all better.
Thanks for the positive feedback i appreciate it!
Love it!!! get out of the BOX!!
so is this lineage a big deal?
Great video! This video is mind blowing. Always have a open mind... This is my philosophy!
I agree with most of what your saying. Having researched Chan Yiu min lineage, Ip man's Foshan teachings to Gwok fu and leung Gai (which differ slightly) and then the HK lineage it is clear his idea's were constantly evolving. Yuen was likely an influence but the vast majority of what we know on Yuen comes through the eyes of Sum nun's statements and can not be taken as fact. Just saying some caution and objectivity is needed. As to Luk Dim Boon Guan, because it fell out of practice or some of Ip man's sihing's did not learn it or pass it on or chose not to show it to you does not mean it never existed! Gulao does indeed teach a 3 point pole which according to them was shortened down by Leung Jan so to assume there was no 6 1/2 prior and that Ip man got this only from Tang Yik is suspect. Something that needs to be re examined objectively. Sure he *May* have been influenced but he certainly had access to the form. Moy Yat legend of the Kung fu masters recalls private conversation on the pole and it's history. So again I agree with most of what your saying and certainly the attitude your expressing but not all of the conclusions. Regards (I enjoy your videos), Tom
Yuen Kay San lineage has Luk Dim Boon Guan. Yiu Choy lineage has Luk Dim Boon Guan. Chan Yiu Min lineage has Luk Dim Boon Guan. So for Sergio to declare that ONLY Tang Yik is the right source of the pole form, and that Ip Man stole the first movements to create Luk Dim Boon Guan is really biased. Sergio is now into Weng Chun from the Dai Dak Lan group, and dissing Ip Man wherever he can. It just does not make sense anymore.
Thanks. I won't drink the Kool-Aid. I appreciate the teaching perspective.
hello Sifu sergio ,is your lineage a pure lineage?why you have Problems when People create a style?
wat about william chungs traditional wing chun wat do u think of that
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I will one day make a video about that for now no need for negative energy,what i can say however is that his history is NOT like he presents it, far from it in fact
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i would love if u would make a video about this its interesting
?/ thanks sergio also about the footwork this is where i thing william has the advantage
The Wing Chun Kung Fu Channel by Sifu Sergio I have spent awhile in this system. I have heard many stories and rumors. I respect your opinions and hope you could tell me some info, even if in a personal message. Thank you
What is Wing Chun? As someone who has trained and touched hands with both Hong Kong and mainland Wing Chun I find the Hong Kong Wing Chun to be far superior in my opinion. There rooting, center line, chi sao, forward intention is far greater. Most mainland guys are all over the place in there chi sao, no forward intention, no center line. It is like they are flopping there hands around. They rely mostly on speed. Just my opinion. As for Ip Ching or Ip Chun ,"knowing the truth". What truth? The truth that there Dad created a far superior system of Wing Chun, Ip Chun went to Fatshan as a sign of respect to the ancestors and his Dad and his Dad's teachers not to admit any truth, not to admit he and is Dad's style is lacking as you are suggestion. "Give his excuses to the Yuen Kay San family they know the truth" never happened.
great great video! Mo Lum Yut Ga!
Quite true, yet nobody should claim a monopoly on the systems including yourself Sifu Sergio.
Very important information.
i keep saying this for years in Brazil, the guys simply freaks out, wing chun is a mix, yip man simpify very much what he did learn so" pure" doesent existe at all!
+Peterson Menezes It does exist, but not here in the US, Canada, Europe or Asia. You have to go to places like taiwan or Malaysia to get the original, pure wing chun.
my. wing Chun is nayang went Chun. fat cheong came from Leung LAN kway... so there is things from malasia
I think you mispelled his name, but I think I know who you are talking about. If he is from Malaysia, then chances are, he is one of the masters who knows one of the older systems of wing chun.
Lesson of the day!
Thank you
why is Yip Mans Wing Chun so popular? I study Wing Chun and everyone I've met and most videos I see online of Wing Chun practitioners, we all can all trace our lineage to Yip Man. I know in Vietnam it's a different case. But why is that it's hard to find Wing Chun that doesn't trace back to Yip Man?
GREAT THINKING......
Bravo
Love it keep up the great work
to wing ho leung......one thing i know is missed from some sifuz is, the ground game of wing chun. wing chun chi na used to be lost. my sifu has brought it back from the grave. it's one of the most amazing eye openers of the century, in my opinion. sure it looks like jew gitsu, but the heart and focus is our wing chun, horizontally.
yeah well it seems that all the lineages seem the same except 4 his? why?the footwork is much more dynamic
You have omitted the fact that Yip Man also studied from none other than one of Dr. Leung Jan's sons.....Leung Bik! That's what GM YIp Chun says believe it or not.
The whole Leung Bik story is a hoax,and in reality it was Yuen Kay San and later on people like Chu Chung man and Tang Yick
The Wing Chun Kung Fu Channel by Sifu Sergio I have video footage where GM Ip Chun says his father, also learned privately from Leung Bik. Is he lying then? Why would he lie?
+Lescouflair. Chun isn't lying. Man did learn from leung bik who essentially taught him how to put shaolin kung fu back into wing chun. People rarely discuss the shaolin origin of wing chun and the abbess ng mui. People who make videos like this are simply trying to spread their propaganda to artificially prop up their form of wing chun. Lots of ego and pride in the world of wing chun... probably why lots of sifus don't spar with their students.
+kung fu NG MUI NEVER EXISTED, AND NEITHER DID WING CHUN. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OR RECORD OF THEIR EXISTENCE.
Endlich mal jemand der im Geiste offen ist klar ist Ip Man einer der Meister aber irgendwo her muss das Wissen auch kommen genau so wie bei Bruce Lee auch er hat sein Wissen und können von allen Kämpferischen Stilen zusammen Gesuch! Also sammle alles was du findest was für dich funktioniert und logisch ist alles überflüssige sondert man aus darauf kommt es an! "Erfahrung"
Danke nochmal Sergio!! LG von Deutschland
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Monsieur Sergio vous es tres sophisitique dans les Kung fu wing chun.
Totally agreed!
Me too,agreed with surrey wing chun
nice
I agree at 200% . Great video. :-)
Actually, it doesn't matter...
lol. pure. not pure. lineage. no lineage. if u're not concentrating all of ur energy in SLT, none of ur wing chun will ever come close to being of any "pureness" .
oh its *our* not *ur* wing chun. forgot the o
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Atto Napz oh ya we do kung fu, not martial arts , right?
the word evolve, no good. the word is progress, my sifu says.
Ape-Man taught modified forms bekuz he was forgetting most of his techniques whiile high on quality burmese opium. fact
thats true. Es steckt mehr drin als man vermuten mag.
ALL MA is diluted from origins- just as w/ any knowledge or belief ☯
why did leung ting lie to us in europe about wing tsun
Because of who he is as a person.
Wing Chun is a best Martial Art, Ip Man was the best champion in the world
pure lineage of any martial art is ... laughable, and a petty thing to focus on. Ip Man's students who teach: Wong Sheun-Leung, William Cheung, Leung Sheung, Ip Chung, are very different from each other; they focus on the various concepts at different times and even give them different priorities... and even the next step down are quite different from each other... Barry Lee, David Petersen and Gary Lam come from WSL and their teachings are quite different, Alon Peterson is quite different from Master Joe (dunno his full name, but touching hands with him and learning from him was different than learning from his Sidi, Alon, who did become a sifu of his own school in his own right)
and the same can be said for other martial arts... hell no martial art studio/dojo/kwoon produces the same martial artist twice. If one person is left handed, that will affect their teaching, if another person has a mind for geometry and another person has a mind for calligraphy learning from the same school and teacher... will teach slightly different takes on their martial arts. And it should be.. we humans are a varied species, why should we seek conformity? So long as it works for them and what they teach benefits another in some way.
Interlude was the ending, after that all the chronicles sucked.
And he's was a bad guy, no one said he was or saying he is.
I meant no one's calling him a bad guy.
What is pure? Beside Yan Wing Chun no one is pure!
Who gives a crap? There is no such thing as a "pure lineage" in any type of kung fu or martial art. What matters is that it works in practice.
UNBEIVABLY RIGHT!!!! THE REAL TRUTH, EVEN I'M A STUDENT OF LEUNG TING!!!!!!!
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Thanks. I won't drink the Kool-Aid. I appreciate the teaching perspective.