t2ptv Blooper Reel: Big Boat Series 11, Expeditious
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2011
- Ever get that feeling like something EPIC is about to happen? That's what this was.
I was going through some footage and this one came up. If you've seen the Big Boat Series Music video, there is a short clip of this in there to start off the WIPE OUT section. Here is the entire clip showing it from start to finish, including when they RUN AGROUND. - Спорт
Good plan ;-) I expect they were shy of using the engine until they were VERY sure all those loose lines were properly aboard. This would have gone MUCH worse if they caught a spinnaker sheet around the prop shaft and couldn't back away from the rocks.
It did take a LONG time to dump the halyard and the sail down to the water. May have snarled, or the clutch may have jammed under the load. Keeping a wrap on the winch to aid clutch release and a knife next to the spin halyard is good practice.
Wow, that looked like a wild ride.
We did the same thing in the ISORA race week in the late seventies in "Prospect of Puffin" Flying the spinnaker in a force 5 off Holyhead, Anglesey. It takes only a second or two to do the damage. We did not run aground but did make the front page photo on 'Yachts and Yachting" that week. With all that adrenaline flowing you can imagine the party that evening after the race. Happy days indeed.
Agreed. It took much too long to dump the halyard... and then it seemed to snarl half way down. With rocks that close I'd likely have cut it - line is cheaper than a keel repair! The helmsman then had a chance to tack away from the rocks at 2:00 but blew that - appears he was busy watching the sail go down the hatch. Not a good day... glad they didn't lose the boat by fouling the prop.
I never laugh at another sailor's mistakes or errors. I believe it gets you back later on the water. I'm glad this person is not my wife.
Really stupid mistakes
@Johan Tate Time to put an end to these spammers. You boys are annoying at with your scams
Great filming
I will be happy to have this experience. If you think this never happen to you, you are exceptional , smart the best sailor in the world.
It will NEVER happen to me - I don't have a spinnaker.
I have just left amphibia
It looks like 2 - 3 guys on key posts had never experienced a broach before and they froze instead of acting.
Strong wind. It happens
He certainly made a bugger up of that!
Had to wonder why the spinnaker halyard didn't get loosened earlier. Broachhhhh!
What would've happened if the skipper turned more aggressively during the first (controlled) gybe? To me, it looks as if he was trying to do an "S-Gybe", but anticipated it and pushed the tiller to port prematurely?
It was the spinny that got them into that mess. Letting out the boom could have been dangerous too, I reckon. Plus they're racing so it's all out...
Not a bad job at all. This was extremely challenging. You wont catch me criticizing!
Yours is the best comment here....
Non of us know the actual How and Why, the Express 37 broached the way that it did....
It's been fun reading and responding to some of the Grand Prix, World Class, better than Olympic......Arm Chair Sailors, that have told everyone exactly How and Why everything happened the way that it did.....
Good on you for being one of the Smartest Sailors here....
Right on. This boat and crew were Express-37 world champions twice before this incident. The conditions were difficult and all the boats in the class crashed on this gybe. I knew these guys.
Well, .... that was fun!
SF Bay. The winds are consistent and strong. Double reef'd yesterday 27-35kt. One mistake and this is the result. Sometimes doesn't even take that. Strong current, swirling gusts.
@GeorgieWorgiey Yeah, it looked like they weren't able to keep the boat dead down wind enough to keep the kite from starting a downward spiral swing. An over correction was a knee jerk reaction when maybe some better placed crew weight (spread out on both sides of the boat) may have helped with the balance. Also, they could have trimmed in the main to depower first.
Class40 sailing strong
The genius onlookers have the best advice: "just get the jib up and get out of there". Whoever said that must be a sailing prodigy and not a ditz at all.
My thoughts exactly she sounds like an arrogant bitch. First the racism, then the putdowns, and then the glee of someone else's peril. All as she sits indoors, dry and in comfort - she is just so happy she "got the shot in full frame".
Any racing skipper who has never done that, isnt a sailor yet!
LOL, yep, any see something familiar here? #titanic
/ Grazi7,
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Grazi7
The beast in the bag.
La "strambata cinese", questa sconosciuta !!!
Took a wrap on a winch with the chute out in the same water, wound up breaking the spinnaker pole against the shrouds. Fire drills are common in them waters...
the express 37 needs an additional person on the running backstays, when they jibed the main the old runner stayed on not allowing the boom to release
@@paulharris553 Right. Maybe he is referring to some modified unit with square top main...
Wat heb je dat geweldig gedaan. Ik vind het perfect engels hoor! Leuk om je zo te zien. En leef met je mee, je moeder zo ziek. Geniet maar zolang het kan
That's why we have the double reef spinnaker drop folks!
They needed a Cape Dory
Me: While rounding a leeward mark, we lost control of the Spinnaker. The deckhand released the guy from the pole early and which might be what we see here in this video. Then, while we were laid over, the cockpit crew assigned to the halyard (it was lead aft to a cabin top cleat) let that go! We turned a wild and fully ballooned Spinnaker into a fully deployed sea anchor. I thought; "What to do? What to do?" What we did was: 1: Release the Spinnaker Sheet and pull the sea anchor in on one clew. A slow process. You would think it would empty easily. No. 2: Not being able to fall off the gale force winds with the boom in the water, a deckhand was sent to crawl forward and ready the working jib. (The race was no longer a top priority. I needed steerage. We were headed into a mooring field and the helm was dry as often as not.) As soon as the Spinnaker was in, the jib went up providing some balance and eventually I could bear off and actually... sail!
So, "stuff" happens. And it happens fast, right?
That was educational but messy.
Actually a decent recovery but the Skipper needs to steer
Great lessons here. Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but shouldn’t we all learn from this? Curious what you experienced sailors think of this idea for tacking over to port tack to avoid going aground. 1) De-power the spinnaker by massively easing the sheet, and maybe even lowering the pole to tighten the luff. 2) Release vang to de-power the main. 3) Helm hard to port (preparing to back the stern to port to effect the tack). 4) Sheet the main amidship to bring the bow into the wind. 5) Back the main to starboard to help the stern swing to port, until the boat tacks. 6) As soon as the boat tacks slightly the spinnaker will backwind and cause the bow to fall off to starboard. 7) Ease main sheet to help fall off. 8) Blow the afterguy and haul down the spinnaker from the clew. 9) Broad reach away from the lee shore. Would this work??
I have abandoned the Disney channel cartoon amphibia
восемь человек на яхте, а спинакер столько времени болтался, пока не загнали яхту к берегу.
Crew is fine. Boat is fine. The only thing that got bruised is some ego.
That's a valuable lesson right there. Skipper will hopefully remember it and make more margin for error when using spinnaker.
Spinnakers are just like that. Lots of possibilities for trouble and then take a lot of time to clean it up. You always want a margin for error.
At 13 seconds, when the guy drops from the jaws of the pole the clue flies out around the fore stay; that's because the skipper was not sailing deep enough. Also, the sail was too high and full, the twing should have been on full.
I agree. If the skipper had taken the wind out of the sail before he told the guy on the pole to release it, the sail would have folded easier. Then let go of the halyard and it's down and in the bag. But I don't know what a double reef spinnaker drop is?
looking at it more I would ask maybe the skipper over corrected in the first roll?
Uncontrolled gybe? Yup, we've all done that and it was bad luck theirs was caught on camera. They don't deserve a hard time for that at all. Their recovery was not great though. Why dump the halyard first? Nearly always better to let a sheet fly (it's why spin sheets should never have a stopper knot on the end) and take the power from the sail that way. They seemed to be clustered around something in the cockpit so giving them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps the sheets had become jammed? Running aground was totally avoidable though, that was a crap bit of skippering.
The entire disaster could probably be avoided with better boom vang control as is often the case in this kind of gybe. Final note: if you need to urgently start the engine, checklist that its seacock is open. This engine appeared to be running dry as it bore away at the end.
perfekt,learning by doing
good catch at :13
it's a good thing that that boom didn't whack someone... broken bones for sure...
I spent the summer capsizeing in a lake lol.
It looks like either the main sheet, traveller or vang was fouled and they couldn't, or just didn't, release them, since the boom never budged after the (accidental) gybe. If they could have allowed the boom to move farther out on the port side, they could have let the main flog, raised a jib, and at least stopped their forward movement so they wouldn't have grounded.
Besides that, the spinnaker halyard wasn't dropped quickly enough, which would have helped them regain control sooner.
I am very inexperienced at sailing, but shouldn't the crew have let the mainsail boom out to leeward at the start of the problem to stop so much leeward drift?
The keel is a useful thing... ("The keel is your friend...")
??? Explain
@@michaelmcilrath9466 They would have bathed without keel...
seeing them at 3:38 had me real happy bout my lazy jack
They Expeditious(ly) ran aground.....
Isto acontece, mas faltou experiencia ao Cmdt... Bons Ventos ⛵🌐
I wanna see pictures of what the bottom of that boat looks like after that
KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON :)
i did foredeck for golden moon, not on that day but its just sand bank there,
How can you steer strait at the land? Chuck the brace drop halyard, done. how can you not see you are heading to the land????
im a new skipper and I would piss my pants!
You and me both. I'd be done for the day.
A little too Expeditious. Got their spinnaker under control and off the grounding, but with a line trailing astern. Hope it doesn't catch the prop or rudder for a third problem.
This is a very old post but I know these guys and they were two year national champions going into this race. They are very good. I am told that every Express-37 crashed during the gybe here so show a little respect. They just crashed to the beach and the other boats crashed out toward the bay. But they all crashed. It was very windy.
Allen edwards This is really true. Boats were wiped out all over the bay. This one just happened to happen right in front of an audience.
Gabriel S. May I point out that you have replies here from someone who was there and someone who knows the tactician on the boat in this video. You don't always need an article to know what happened if you were there or talk to the people involved. They took second place this year so not such a bad skipper after all.
www.yachtscoring.com/event_results_cumulative.cfm?eID=1097
The boat that won this year is owned by the owner of Pineapple sails. Very hard to beat.
Did you mean two year national chumps? Abysmal seamanship, I can see how then have ever wondered a race!!
bigkiwial They finished second in the 2014 Nationals held in Berkeley. Google them. I believe they were raining national champions when this video was taken and had won the previous two years. Don't criticize them unless you have gybed a spinnaker in 35 knots of wind.
+Gabriel S. Where's your sailing video of getting out of crisis situation in tact with no mistakes?
Where is the barberhauler on thé starboard sheet. ?????!!!!!!!!!
Aye Aye Craptain.
why start your engine when you are NOT aground?
Gandas chouriços!!!!
when they were heading for the rocks could they use the engine on reverse at full speed?....and why took so long for them to bring down the main sail?...just asking.
I am not racer , just a casual sailer , considering the closeness of running aground , I would have dropped the spin much faster , reff the main immediately , and if it is still obvious that I will run a ground , start the engine . 1. they had plenty of people to take care of the vessel . 2. being disqualified for starting the engine , is far cheaper than running aground .
They had lines over the side which could foul the prop when you put it in gear and might even pull the cutlass strut (if they have one) off the boat...
From what I can see they were aground well before that...
No idea!!!
hmm so what should they have done to make a more controlled jibe? Bring the sheet in more to keep the chute from pulling the rig down? I looks like they pulled the pole and said "uhh shit what should we do now?"
In those conditions it's hard to control a chute to begin with; but if they're going to try to fly one I wouldn't attempt a jibe without dual spinnaker poles, and I'd be winching the main sheet in until the boom end is inboard, THEN execute the spinnaker jibe with the dual poles first , jibe the main and let it out quickly.
you need snakeskin for spinnaker.
Ooops. That went from good (the initial run) to the bad (the gybe and resultant kite drop) to the ugly (nearly touching the bottom on a lee shore). Not nice.
Worst thing is that they appear to have no idea what got the boat out of control in the first place:)
Are they really sailors?????
The captain seems like he got caught up in the racing, and lost his situational awareness. Specifically, he got way too close to shore as they were retrieving the spin. He is very lucky that they did not wrap the line around the prop as they power out after running aground. You can see the line wrapping under the port side as the boat is finally freed..
Смелые люди!
I don't have any idea why they were so late to turn on the motor after the broach.. I feel like you put me in that boat single handed and I could release the spinnaker sheet faster and turned on the motor to gain control.. I just don't get it..
This lady said it all "they are running around" on deck I couldn't figure it out how many stooges sailors was doing the right things.
*Aground* Their keel has struck the bottom, where Davy Jones lives and lots of little crabbies scuttle about. That's why the boat is stationary for the next few mins...
@@SaveWesternCivilisation Hi there, with all do respect, first of all they should reef the sails way before, especially because it seems to me the crew wasn't prepared for that kind of wind, second they fail to keep the boat poiting to the wind to prevent acciental jibe, wich happened, the boat spunaround, tird so if it wasn't bad enougth, the boat runaout of ground ( water) and as seen stuck by the keel. Now I ask you where you dind't see the stooges?
@@paulolodicora4471 Very long time ago but these guys were world champions in their class for two years. I am told that every boat in the class crashed trying that gybe that year. I found this video when trying to explain what can happen with a spinnaker to a friend. The video I was looking for is gone. I think this is the original. I have raced against these guys (in an L-36 class race) and they are good.
@@L-36 First of all, it's a pleasure to have you in my review, but let me tell you this, they made everything weird, maybe they've improved now. Greetings from Brazil.
@@paulolodicora4471 Haha. Thanks for the reply. I don't know if they improved. as I lost touch after this. They were world champions before this video was filmed.
Boat first the race must be in second place
Why didn't the large boat Miss Farralone offer a tow out rather than just cruise by? This would have prevented them running aground. Does the good samaritan law not apply to the bay?
The boat in distress has his OWN engine. and started it way too late. Why have two boats is trouble?
He had his own engine why would he need a tow if he turned it on
Look closely and you will see he had the kicker on very tight. That means as soon as the boom hits the water during a roll,, the whole main sail is forced inboard which makes it heel more and so on. Running with a tight kicker is a killer in all but the lightest breezes. In this case, had they thought to release it at least partially, the whole maneuver would have gone to planCheersRoger
When you say the "kicker" are you referring to the boomvang?
I sure do, If you take a closer look at the video you will see that the top of the main remains hard in which was not able to be released because the boom was being held in by the water. Not only that, the helmsman would have had trouble steering before the incident because having the main set flat and hard like that promotes rolling and also forces the bow down. Kicker or boomvang in downwind will make you go faster but also can render the boat uncontrollable as seen here. The crew need to be aware that the sail needs to twist a little as the conditions demand, but of course the top of the mainsail must not be eased past 90 degrees.
Okay. Wow. That was very educational thanks I honestly did not know most of that. So when you say you should have your kicker in tight while sailing "downwind" do you mean like on a broad reach? Because I thought you wanted to loosen the vang when on a run? Is that not correct?
What I am saying is down wind, both reaching and running, the boat will generally be faster with the vang pulled tight/ the sail un twisted, but the down side of that is that unless you are super lucky, you are liable to have an incident as captured in this video. Therefore at the top mark, if you are in a dinghy for instance, you would have the vang tight, therefore if it is boisterous, the first thig you do is release the vang some, then get the kite up and when you are going, carefully tighten the vang. If the boom is looking like it is going to touch the water, let it the vang off some. If you are on a run and the boat starts rolling release the vang but you will need to compensate at the same time by pulling in the mainsheet so the top of the sail does not go forward of the mast. (I always have a knot in it so that cant happen). You will feel the boat quieten down albeit at some slight sacrifice of speed. When it is time to gybe, even if you have got there with a tight vang, make sure there is some twist in the sail by loosening the vang else you will have a session as shown in the video. With the vang set correctly, gybes will become routine and be nothing to be feared.
Thanks a lot. This helps. I'll employ these tactics tomorrow when I take the boat out!
Too many Captains, and not enough crew.
Rookies tearing up a good boat. See it all the time
Why on Earth are they flying that headsail in hard weather?
Racing! They had just crossed the finish line in front of the St. Francis Yacht Club when sh*t hit the fan...
At minute 2:51 forward they are aground...
Meanwhile they are commenting from the shore. Get out there and show us how its done.
what Id like to know is how a 16 girl (jessica watson) can sail around the world
and not put a scratch on her boat but all these guys had such a hard time with manuver
BananaPeal0 that made me laugh!! Not the collision, the comment!
why you dont use a spinnaker in strong winds
You get some spectacular runs in strong winds but you need a crew that knows what it is doing in those conditions and someone calling the moves .
They needed to release the Vang long before and the sheet as they were wiping out , then when in trouble , the guy , not the halyard . Dumping the halyard just had the spin fill out where you can't reach it . If you release the guy the spin turns into a flag that you can easily pull in by the sheet . In this case because the boat gybed back the sheet was on the pole and the old Guy and sheet on the same side needed to be blown off . then the pole was going to be an issue and would need to be released but the mast guy was out of position .
Would have also helped to pull the guy on hard on the sheet side , tweakers if that's what you have before the wipe out and it would have stabilized the boat with the pull more midships . Gets rid of the death roll the driver tried to steer out of and overcompensated .
Fore deck pulled off the gybe , the guys in the back blew it . If the vang had been let off the boat would not have been held down and they would have been able to turn down . Instead the main was over powered and they could not , vang off the boom would have risen and the top of the main would dump the wind . The vang was the root problem but the driver also over-corrected trying to avoid a broach on the other gybe .
Anyway , been there done that both on the fore deck and driving , you learn from experience .
Water loopt de spuigaten uit.
So many sailors on board for a so ridiculous result , they've to go back to sailing school quick !!!
Elor de Rivens - and you have to go sailing rather that sharing your fucking useless comments
Barco brasileiro ?
No water pulsed by the exhaust event ? You should have recorded 10 more minutes to hear the motor alarm...
Square the pole?
Actually the pole is square. Maybe the skipper needed to be sailing a deeper angle prior to the jibe. Also maybe the tweeker should have been on full. That sail was awfully high and full. Should have been lower and flatter.
You aren't doing it right unless you touch the spreaders in the water. He has nice clean bottom
I don’t sail boats like this I sail things like picos and fevas but he should have tacked and he would have been fine
Tacking is the absolute dumbest thing you can do when spinnaker sailing.You will either rip the sail to pieces or broach instantly
I own and sail a 12ft dinghy and I've crewed on a 31 ft yacht. It is very different. Here, the boat is racing with every scrap of sail, and it becomes overpowered. As the boat heels, the rudder loses its grip on the water and the stern swings round as the boat pivots around the keel. (Called broaching, and very nasty.) Broaching is like sliding off a motorcycle on a bend: if you're racing near to the limit, it will happen sooner later, but if you're just taking it steady, you can avoid using too much power and usually avoid the situation. The boat is then sideways onto the waves and the sails are pushing it over. They could have cut the spinnaker sheets but they opted to try to retrieve it without causing damage. While that spinnaker was flying, it was pulling the bow down wind. The boat had no forward momentum and therefore could not be steered. If they had tried to get some speed up in order to tack, they would have been heading towards shallow water in order to do so. As the waves reach the shore, they pile up. When the top of a wave goes one way, the bottom of the wave (below the surface) is going the other (a wave is a circular motion of water) and the keel becomes a problem, like a handle that the sea can use to shake the boat from side to side. The best option from a saving the boat point of view was probably to drop the mainsail, start the engine, and gain some sea room. However, this is a sailing race, so the engine can't be used without disqualification. Option two was probably to drop the mainsail, hoist a standard jib, turn down wind then try to gain some sea room. On a Pico, you can turn the boat through the eye of the wind by pushing the boom upwind by hand. That's not as easy on a big yacht like this!
@@mikefule330 from my experience on bigger yachts you never ever try to take down your symmetrical spinnaker down going down wind especially if the weathers bad because it will end up like this video.You depower it by going into the no go zone and you take it down there.
@@leftvassis I'll bow to your greater experience in how to depower a spinnaker without broaching. However, in the video, he simply broaches because he's overpowered and all the attempts to get the spinnaker down are later, which is what I was trying to explain. :)
@@mikefule330 im not saying i have great experience,just stating from the little i have.Meant no disrespect
At least they didn't wreck. Good seamanship as far as I could tell. Technical difficulties.
Big boot big problem. :(
The bowman did a half decent job. The rest should get fired off the boat. Including the skipper...
rpbsjy - and there should be a test on UA-cam to test the inability of people like you to post useful comments
If you haven’t done that you are not really trying hard enough. We are on kite number 11.
Восемь мужиков а смайнать по быстрому спинч не смогли. Сразу надо было фал отдать и он бы в воду лег. Попутно можно было стартануть движок.
This skipper and crew are hopeless.
Frank Tibbetts -;as your fucking useless comment
That's not how to splice your main brace
Yes... whoever was on the main sheet. froze. Let it out. Get the boat flat (so the rudder is back in the water) and then continue down wind. Hard to watch.
Cue: tons of armchair critics talking sheeeyit
Nicht so schlimm. Kein MOB (Mann über Bord), keine Verletzten, kein Materialschaden. Etwas die Kontrolle verloren, OK. Der Spy hätte etwas schneller "abgeworfen" werden sollen. Dann als er zum Spybaum fiel (bei 13 Sek). Dank der "Maschine" auch nicht im Legerwall aufgelaufen. Bei 3.12 kommt wahrscheinlich das Boot von der Rennleitung um ein Auflaufen zu verhindern, was gar nie der Fall war. So schlecht haben es die Jungs der Skipper (und die Rennleitung) gar nicht gemacht.
Not so bad. No MOB (man overboard), no dies, no material damage. l. The Spynacker should been "down" a little faster. Then when the Spyboum lost the Spinacker (at 13 sec). with the "machine" back and not in the Legerwall. At 3.12, the boat come to help. Its specatular bat not bad done - the skipper and the crew.
Jajaja i do all that by myself... look at that crew 😣
I have the same on a 7 meter boat on my one
when I see this I think they never need to click te spi of te boom you need to do this when both are on the boom then give the spi in your main when the spi is gybed you can gibe your main sail
christ!
Engine had no water coming from the exhaust !!! not much of a skipper thats one of the first things you`d check before leaving the moorings.
Broach !!! 😣
No engine for Emergences?
+Jeremy Swanson If you start the engine with the spinnacre in the water, you probably end up with a rope in the propeller and a far worse situation. There is no point starting the engine before you have sorted out the situation. I believe though, that they ran aground because they were so focused on taking care of the sails, that they didn't notice how close they were to the shore. There was plenty of time to stear away while they were finishing picking up the sail from the water.
+Fredrik Hörnfeldt Thank you so much for that interesting and detailed explanation. Most appreciated.
@@fredrikhornfeldt9736 They had the engine running with a sheet in the water off the port side.
Robert Bernhardt Thanks for the information. That proves my point! 🤩
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