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@13:10 " They gave the message that the region needs Japan to balance China . And many countries in the Asian Pacific which have had memories of the Second World War, have received and accepted this message" Dude, the real memories of WW2 is how Japanese bombed the Asian Pacific with their aircraft carriers. Not China.
Considering that Japan had a history of having battleship-carriers and submarine-carriers, I'm not surprised that they turned a destroyer into a carrier.
They always clearly intended to put a Ski-Jump on the front of one of these like the royal navy does to make it an aircraft carrier its size was way to big for just a helicopter platform. But you can also just put combat drones on it with a control room for them if you needed to make it combat capable.
For what it's worth, the Japanese term is more like "Helicopter carrying escort ship." But the US differentiated between "Destroyer" and "Destroyer Escort" ships in WWII. So the Japanese "Escort" ship got translated as "Destroyer" because it was about the same size as US WWII Destroyers, not the Destroyer Escorts.
@@guaposneeze It's forbidden by treaty for Japan to have "battleships" and "carriers". A "destroyer" is a defensive ship. Of course, the treaty is with the U.S. The Japanese have the 4th largest "maritime self defense force", with 20 Arliegh Burke type destroyers, the backbone of the USN, and 20 older destroyers, more then capable of defending the large ships as well as destroying all of the corvettes and patrol boats that make up the PLAN.
Some sources say that Japan might build 2 new 50k tons “Multi-Purpose Destroyer” (DDV).. Aka “True aircraft carrier” styled similar to HMS Queen-Elisabeth. With a length around 280m..
@@jukasumomo Is there a news link? I am interested in the leapfrog development of the Japanese army. To deal with the threat of communism. And I hope Japan in the next government will begin to amend the military-related constitution as proposed by Shinzo Abe as prime minister.
@@nayyakaxc1816 I saw it in a Japanese military fan website. I didn’t save it cuz I didn’t think it is true. Yea, most likely fake, I guess. Japan will get there eventually, but not this fast. This is my opinion.
@@jukasumomo Might be fake, at least for the next coming years. Japan's economy is not in a good state and the vast majority of the Japanese population is against an offensive armed force.
This ship is literally a carrier, but it was not designed for ''carrier vs. carrier'', it's actually ''carrier vs. submarine or destroyer''. So that’s why, it didn’t call it really a (light) carrier (maybe escort), because it has also not so much AA defense.
@@terrydouglas5008 It cannot fit with 42 F-35, or does it? I thought they buy only 42 F-35 for Naval defense and put with 10 F-35 per carrier, there is also helicopter for carrier.
@@yoseipilot they buy 42 which is 21 per carrier but at anytime probably 10 will be assigned to a land base for training another 10 in various maintenance status back at base. That leaves just enough to staff the ships.
@@terrydouglas5008 coverting the 2 existence izumo to operate 2 quad of f35 will give the current japanese teh experience needed to operate carriers again so when they do build full blow super carrier, the experience it there already and they just need to move ship.
To anybody who's worried about Japan violating disarmament rules: Korea owns the Dokdo class that is roughly equivalent. The US enforced parity between the JMSDF and the ROKN in both numbers and quality, such that no one can overpower the other, but together they can delay other adversaries for a few days until they are wiped out
Some new stuff here that I had not known previously. I was particularly interested to learn that the JMSDF had considered operating an Essex Class CVA, modified for helicopters. Good stuff. As a longtime Japan resident and a former US Navy sailor, I have watched the evolution of both the Hyuga and Izumo class vessels with interest -- knowing full well that they would eventually be CVs in everything but name. In fact, my own personal theory as to why the JASDF decided to go with the F-35 instead of the F-15SE is that the Izumo and Hyuga class ships were designed specifically with the F-35B in mind, albeit without the specific features that would set alarm bells ringing (too loudly) in Beijing. However, in order to get the Bs, they had to buy the As as well. Not that the A is a bad platform, or won't be if they ever get all the bugs worked out, but the F-15SE had numerous advantages. It is reasonably stealthy, Japan has decades of experience with the F-15J and it would be much easier to slot into their current infrastructure, and it would be much cheaper.
@@kirayamato7320 you call that a "war"? Seriously? How many million people have died in the "hokkaido war" so far? It's a dispute but not a war you Idiot
And what overseas territory does Russia have? Apart from Kaliningrad witch itself is a military base with enough firepower to sink the US fleet many times over. Soviets believed that guided missile is the future. And there was no defense to a barrage of those till you start using automated mini guns.
@@Paciat Not really, I'm confident that the US Atlantic Fleet alone could defeat Kaliningrad, not to mention the whole navy, with its 10 aircraft carriers. I reckon both the Soviets and America (and by extension, the west) believed that Guided Missile is the future the second early Guided Anti Shipping Missile was developed by the US (first one by Germany). The Soviets had more missiles and more missile designs because of a difference in strategy. Technically, the US has more advanced Guided Missiles, since Guided Missiles isn't only Anti-Ship missiles. There's definetly a defense to Guided Missiles other than CIWS (I presume this is what you call "automated mini guns".). In fact, CIWS' were the last defense against anti ship missiles. The best thing to happen to a ship is an anti ballistic missile hitting the said attacking missile. It was ment to be intercepted by a missile before the CIWS fires any rounds.
After a modification of the deck of Izumo, the first 2 of F35B from the US. Marin Corp have successfully landed and took off on the deck of Izumo as test trials on 03.Oct.2021.
Having 2 pairs of F35 onboard gives the Izumo class a heavyweight punch if required. They are very useful as helicopter carriers for anti-submarine work and airlift to an invasion beach. Good to have the IJN on the Allied side this time.
Calling the Izumo (or the preceding Hyuga Class) a destroyer is like calling the Arleigh Burke a Missile Gunboat. That said, the 27,000 ton Izumo is quite small and light for a modern flat top -- about the same as a Yorktown Class carrier and a tad smaller than an Essex. While is designed to be capable of embarking the F-35B, the Izumo has not (to date) ever embarked fixed wing aircraft.
Destroyers main role was to destroy torpedo motorboats while being seaworthy so it can go with the bigger ships anywhere they go. The most expendable long range ship within the fleet (excluding coastal defense boats).
@@Paciat That might be true in WWI. It is not true today and it is not even particularly true in WWII. DDs like the Gearings and Akitzukis are very much mainstay AA screen platforms mounting 6~8 flak batteries and more 25~40mm mounts than you can count with ASW as a secondary role. -- The modern destroyer is taking on the role of the Battleships of yore. They are the primary surface-to-surface platform as well as the most heavily armed, most survivable, surface-to-air assets in a modern navy. There is no longer distinct cruiser class in a modern navy per say; at least not in the classic sense of having an 6"~8" gun, some arbitrary displacement or whatever characteristics. The US Navy calls the Ticonderoga a cruiser when it can just as well call it a destroyer. The same can be said of the Kirov or the Zumwalt. The classic role of the destroyer is now shouldered by ships called "frigates" although there is also no clear distinction between FFGs and DDGs in terms of armament, size or any particular characteristics. Motorboat defense is now the role of the Corvettes, Missile Gunboats, Patrol Boats, Littoral "Clusterfuck" Ships of what have you. -- The Japanese are the only ones calling a purpose built flat top aviation ship a destroyer though. These things have no significant gun or missile armament other than point defense weapons. They don't even carry much ship-board ASW gear like towed arrays. They purpose is to embark and fly aircrafts.
- Japan, why do you have aircraft carriers again? - Those are not carriers, those are destroyers. - Oh? - Yes. - But where are the guns, the missiles, the ASW equipment? - - - They uhhhh... - Go on... - ...they are on the uhhh...aircraft. - Aircraft? And where are the aircraft? - On the carri- *khm* on the...on the destroyer!
They are small aircraft carriers like those the US Marines use. The only difference is that the landing surface hasn’t been hardened get. Once it is hardened then the Izumo Class can handle F35Bs.
Meanwhile in Russia: You see Sam, ours is not aircraft carrier. Looks like one, but it fires cruise missiles. America: But where is the cruise missile? I don't see it. All I see is an aircraft parked on the flat top. *Random hatch from the flight deck opens, flips an aircraft overboard, and cruise missile flies out* See Sam, once again, this is not an aircraft carrier. It is a cruiser.
@@dagger6467 Not hardly. The Wasp class is quite a bit larger and much different design. The America class is closer in aspect to the Izumo, in that neither of them have a well deck. The Izumo is 27,000 tons full loaded and America is 45,000 tons full loaded.
@@dundonrl You're wrong. The Wasp class does have a well deck so do your research. LCACs (vice one LCAC in the LHAs). Well Deck Capacity: 3 LCAC or 2 LCU or 6 LC... Date deployed: July 29, 1989 (USS Wasp) Flight Deck Width: 140 feet (42.6 meters). Now you look foolish.
@@dagger6467 I spent 5 years (April 13 1993 till April 13 1998 serving on the USS Essex LHD-2 which is a Wasp class) I earned my ESWS pin on board (Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist) which is a general knowledge from the top of mast to the keel, from the bow to the stern, so yeah, I know A LITTLE bit about them. LHD1 to 7 are basically the same ships (minus the Bonhomme Richard, she's being scrapped right now) with the Makin Island LHD-8 having gas turbines instead of steam boilers for her main propulsion. The America class was designed without a well-deck, but larger aviation spaces with LHA-6 and LHA-7 being that flight. LHA-8 will have a smaller well deck due to the Marines needing to be able to carry heavier equipment ashore than can be handled by aviation assets. SO... With neither the Izumo or America class having a well deck they are closer to each other than the Wasp class and Izumo. Oh.. the flight deck isn't 140 ft wide, that's the overall width from the edge of the port elevator to the starboard elevator. The flight deck itself is about 106 ft wide (the beam of the ship) and to go through the Panama Canal, they fold the elevators and remove the catwalks.
It's a light carrier or escort carrier in all but name. Warships of any type can be used defensively or offensively. Just as a sword can be used to defend or attack. It's the nature of the beast.
Kaga, Izumo, Suryo... We call it the Kido Butai Its definitely self-defense against subs Yes, those f-35's are very good anti sub We had to make sure, the ocean might be filled with enemy subs!
Put it simply, because their post WW2 laws (Japanese constitution and multilateral treaty after WW2 surrender) prohibits them to have an aircraft carrier. Simple solution ? build an aircraft carrier and call it "Destroyer that capable carrying fixed wing aircraft and helicopter" just like UK with their Invincible class "Cruiser", it looks like an aircraft carrier, operate like an aircraft carrier, but legally called an "Aircraft Carrying Cruiser"
I think that Japan will ultimately build a “dedicated” aircraft carrier. The next stage might be something similar to either a Juan Carlos (Spain)/Canberra(Australia) type ship with a ski jump or like the Cavour (Italy) aircraft carrier (also with a ski jump). The next step after that might be something similar to the UK’s Queen Elizabeth carrier (also with a ski jump).
@@marishkagranada7985 Not realistic for a nation that barely got greenlit to make carriers after years. They should go for a Queen Elizabeth style ship, best you can get in terms of conventional (non nuclear) carriers (ironically it is far from conventional).
Ever since the end of the WW2, the loudest opponent to any plans to expand Japan's military, or self-defense as they like to put it, capabilities is Japan's own population. Some other countries just needed to declare void any international stipulations to do what they want, but that's not an option if it's your own population who rejects the ideas. Not calling the Izumo class ships aircraft carriers might also be a domestic political issue.
This ship will be a stepping stone, it opens the door for larger and more capable flat tops, whatever they want to label them. For example, the old Invincible class of the RN were initially labelled 'through deck cruisers' when carriers were a naughty word to politicians at that time.
@@jameshammonds4687 you might see alot of similarities between Japanese and royal navy..the royal navy did train them and build ships. Two best navies in the world, just shrunk a little lol
@@くろがね-m8j that too, but at the end of the day, foreign relations still matter, especially since Japan relies on importing raw goods and exporting products to it's neighbors
@@justsomehaatonpassingby4488 The younger generation of Japanese, including myself, understand the necessity of amending the Constitution. However, the so-called baby boomers were influenced by the anti-war education after the war and the communists who became active after the war, and it is mainly these people who oppose the amendment.
I don’t agree with your contention the Izumo class isn’t the equal to the Russian or Chinese carriers. When loaded with F-35s and Osprey they will be superior. The F-35 is a far superior aircraft than what is flying from the Russian or the first two Chinese carries. It more than makes up for the fact the Japanese carriers are smaller in size. That probably won’t be the case when China has their third carrier up and operational but that could be up to a decade from now.
um... they are installing the island on the third chinese carrier soon, the one with CATOBAR. it will not take a decade for it to be in service. still theyre outnumbered severely by the us and its allies
Nick the Chinese will be christening their third carrier this year or next. However just like with American carriers it takes 3-4 years to fit out and do the work ups before it’s commissioned. Even then a new class will often take another couple of years before it’s fully up to speed. Conventional wisdom is it will take China upward of a decade to get carrier 3 into full service. They have no experience with a carrier this big or complex.
This is similar to Germany post WW1. Japan kept (fleet) aircraft carrier tech alive by overbuilding the ships to what they ostensibly needed to be for helicopters...But perfect for conversion into a true carrier, as they now will be.
In a way, Interwar Japan followed similar trends with the Washington Naval Treaty back then -- morphing the Mogami-class from a light to a heavy cruiser by swapping her main guns as soon as the country dropped out of the Treaty (and then giving Mogami's old main batteries to Yamato as secondary armaments).
How’s India going to handle new carriers when they can’t even handle their CoV situation properly, in view of thousands already dead and many more following. They are in a ridiculous mine field already, where corpses were thrown into the Ganges.!, explain that.
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Remember. The official status of the Izumo class is a “destroyer”, to go around the loophole in Japan’s constitution about not having aircraft carriers due to their mostly aggressive usage. Something Japan’s done a lot recently to expand their military.
According to the official website of Japan's Ministry of Defense, the only weapons prohibited by the Japanese Constitution are nuclear weapons mounted on long-range missiles, and owning an aircraft carrier is not considered a violation of the Constitution. I think it is more like a gentleman's agreement.
@@EternalGaming786 The US didn’t place that constitution. The Japanese could have kept a traditional army in their constitution. But they themselves chose not to due to what I can assume to be guilt.
@@EternalGaming786 well tbh, if they shouldn't be USA puppet, then what would they be? create a new faction? Big nono, already bad reputation. Both already estabilish a mutual relationship, they need each other to face PRC's aggression
Japan have all the right to enhance their own military because right now china has been more aggressive in south china sea and will soon become a real threat to all asian nation.
If Japan seriously builds an aircraft carrier, it will be on par with Ronald Reagan. Now I'm renovating the escort ships Izumo and Kaga into aircraft carriers, but I'm looking forward to it.
No, it won’t because the only real propulsion solution for a carrier that size is nuclear, and Japan won’t go that route. It would be more likely to be similar to the Queen Elizabeth class carrier, perhaps the originally designed CATOBAR version to allow a bit more flexibility
No, I think the definitions and roles are pretty clear. It's sophistry and word play that creates the grey areas. A pre-emptive strike is starting a war, as there is no real proof that the enemy would have attacked first. It could have been posturing of a bluff.
These ships have always been funny to me. Yes, this is a destroyer. No, it is not an aircraft carrier, we’re not allowed to have aircraft carriers. Please ignore the fact that it has a full-length flight deck and weighs more than most of the fleet carriers we started WWII with.
There is another need for Izumo and Kaga to install the F-35B If a stealth aircraft arrives during island defense, Okinawa's AWACS will be forced to retreat, and at the same time there is a risk that the defense line of the fighter unit performing HAVCAP will be lowered. For this reason, the Ministry of Defense may carry out fleet air defense by Fast-FAC using the CEC of the Aegis ship and F-35B in order to prevent the situation where air power cannot be used for the operation to recapture the remote islands by the JMSDF. , And is expected by military experts. from Japanese military fan.
Only if you'd argue that the best defense is offense. A navy never leaving its home waters has no need for mobile airfields when land-based airfields cover the same range. This is why for the past couple decades, aircraft carriers have always been associated with projecting power abroad.
Imagine what a truly modern designed and built battleship would be capable of. No big cannons obviously. Perfected railguns maybe. It would have to have more offensive and defensive weapons, more range speed and firepower than any aircraft carrier.
I personally would like the world to move on from ww2. Japan is wonderful country a great ally to its friends and has shown it’s true to its word. Japan like all nations shouldn’t have to dance around classifying stuff just because of the past/political crap.
The Japanese public is a challege itself. Even after 1991, changing Article 9 will have riots in the streets. The Japanese rather see JSDF as just another fire and rescue team instead of military
@@Joshua_N-A uhh no... Japan would rather have a good and strong military rather than a puppet. Those in japan who are against with it are those zainichi koreans/chinese.
@@TheSourcerer111 he’s partially correct. Some of the younger generation of Japanese citizens are pretty resistant to anything that represents a true military but you’re equally correct the political issues from Japans neighbors after ww2 are def a dominant factor but at least Japan has been respectful enough to see that too. I just wish they didn’t have too is all
"There are aircraft that are capable of strike mission, can offense, the ship is obviously an offensive aircraft carrie-" "No no, No no no. Say with me, "helicopter destroyer" "
*Everything* can be made into an offensive weapon; JSDF fighters could attack China or Russia if the really wanted. The question is whether *two*ships which are half the displacement of a US Navy Wasp-class amphibious assault ship, and only carry defensively-optimized weapons can reasonably be called an offensive weapon.
@13:10 " They gave the message that the region needs Japan to balance China . And many countries in the Asian Pacific which have had memories of the Second World War, have received and accepted this message" Dude, the real memories of WW2 is how Japanese bombed the Asian Pacific with their aircraft carriers. Not China.
@@PatriciaFreddy which means those countries have accepted the message *DESPITE* their memories of what Japan did (which should tell you something of what they think of China).
yamato size and weight is clearly in the class of a super carrier, if thye do build it, there will be no hidding, it will clearly be a air craft carrier.
I think an aircraft carrier (helicopter destroyer) has significant defensive value in that it is a launching point for aircraft that is not in a fixed location.
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@13:10 " They gave the message that the region needs Japan to balance China . And many countries in the Asian Pacific which have had memories of the Second World War, have received and accepted this message"
Dude, the real memories of WW2 is how Japanese bombed the Asian Pacific with their aircraft carriers. Not China.
Next - Yamato class Artillery-Destroyer...
That would be an amazing sight to see
lmaaao
hakuryu?? maybe
what are you talking about? Yamato class is clearly just a corvette with slightly longer range weapons
Space warfare destroyer is more like it...
Considering that Japan had a history of having battleship-carriers and submarine-carriers, I'm not surprised that they turned a destroyer into a carrier.
They always clearly intended to put a Ski-Jump on the front of one of these like the royal navy does to make it an aircraft carrier its size was way to big for just a helicopter platform. But you can also just put combat drones on it with a control room for them if you needed to make it combat capable.
@@braddl9442 VTOL jet
For what it's worth, the Japanese term is more like "Helicopter carrying escort ship." But the US differentiated between "Destroyer" and "Destroyer Escort" ships in WWII. So the Japanese "Escort" ship got translated as "Destroyer" because it was about the same size as US WWII Destroyers, not the Destroyer Escorts.
@@guaposneeze It's forbidden by treaty for Japan to have "battleships" and "carriers". A "destroyer" is a defensive ship. Of course, the treaty is with the U.S. The Japanese have the 4th largest "maritime self defense force", with 20 Arliegh Burke type destroyers, the backbone of the USN, and 20 older destroyers, more then capable of defending the large ships as well as destroying all of the corvettes and patrol boats that make up the PLAN.
Wait til drone technology catches up.
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Japanese self defense navy always had beautiful looking ships.
Which one? The 2d or 3d?
I agree, that Izumo class ship is clean
@@MrAnonymousme10 Both
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Both,but prefer 2D.
Ikr. It's always fastening to me.
Just wait a few years, when we have RimPac and you see JS Kaga and USS Enterprise CVN-80 sailing side by side
Oh man I can't wait for a fanart of azurlane pointing that out.
Some sources say that Japan might build 2 new 50k tons “Multi-Purpose Destroyer” (DDV).. Aka “True aircraft carrier” styled similar to HMS Queen-Elisabeth. With a length around 280m..
@@jukasumomo Is there a news link? I am interested in the leapfrog development of the Japanese army.
To deal with the threat of communism. And I hope Japan in the next government will begin to amend the military-related constitution as proposed by Shinzo Abe as prime minister.
@@nayyakaxc1816 I saw it in a Japanese military fan website. I didn’t save it cuz I didn’t think it is true. Yea, most likely fake, I guess. Japan will get there eventually, but not this fast. This is my opinion.
@@jukasumomo Might be fake, at least for the next coming years. Japan's economy is not in a good state and the vast majority of the Japanese population is against an offensive armed force.
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Let's be honest, this is a very beautiful ship
外国の方が作った動画ではトップクラスじゃなかろうか。
ここまで背景を研究しているのは見たことがない。
It is only 18m shy of the biggest Japanese aircraft carrier Shinano.
Well "CV" stood for Cruiser, Aviation
The re-birth of the famed Kiddo Butai !!
Can't wait F-35B Lightning II operating on Izumo.
It will be a long waiting probably
@Daniel Martinez source?
I am very grateful that the Japanese army has begun to strengthen again.
Looking forward to Japanese gundam mobile suit carrier!
Lol
Ahhh Gundam Meister!
Call it a fishing boat or cruise liner, it sounds less aggressive.
This ship is literally a carrier, but it was not designed for ''carrier vs. carrier'', it's actually ''carrier vs. submarine or destroyer''. So that’s why, it didn’t call it really a (light) carrier (maybe escort), because it has also not so much AA defense.
But Japan has contracted to buy 42 F35B's. Their only use is as carrier strike aircraft. Which is carrier vs Carrier warfare.
@@terrydouglas5008 It cannot fit with 42 F-35, or does it? I thought they buy only 42 F-35 for Naval defense and put with 10 F-35 per carrier, there is also helicopter for carrier.
@@yoseipilot they buy 42 which is 21 per carrier but at anytime probably 10 will be assigned to a land base for training another 10 in various maintenance status back at base. That leaves just enough to staff the ships.
@@terrydouglas5008 coverting the 2 existence izumo to operate 2 quad of f35 will give the current japanese teh experience needed to operate carriers again so when they do build full blow super carrier, the experience it there already and they just need to move ship.
Carriers with f-35's for self defense, makes total sense
The only next logical leap would be the Imperial star destroyer, I am waiting, Japan, don't disappoint me!
良く纏められた良い動画でした。
To anybody who's worried about Japan violating disarmament rules: Korea owns the Dokdo class that is roughly equivalent. The US enforced parity between the JMSDF and the ROKN in both numbers and quality, such that no one can overpower the other, but together they can delay other adversaries for a few days until they are wiped out
Exactly! South Korea has been aggressively building up Navy with an aircraft carrier on sight. These two countries can hold China at bay.
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Some new stuff here that I had not known previously. I was particularly interested to learn that the JMSDF had considered operating an Essex Class CVA, modified for helicopters. Good stuff. As a longtime Japan resident and a former US Navy sailor, I have watched the evolution of both the Hyuga and Izumo class vessels with interest -- knowing full well that they would eventually be CVs in everything but name. In fact, my own personal theory as to why the JASDF decided to go with the F-35 instead of the F-15SE is that the Izumo and Hyuga class ships were designed specifically with the F-35B in mind, albeit without the specific features that would set alarm bells ringing (too loudly) in Beijing. However, in order to get the Bs, they had to buy the As as well. Not that the A is a bad platform, or won't be if they ever get all the bugs worked out, but the F-15SE had numerous advantages. It is reasonably stealthy, Japan has decades of experience with the F-15J and it would be much easier to slot into their current infrastructure, and it would be much cheaper.
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I'm sure that the US would be fine with Japan having an aircraft carrier now. In a war with China, they would be vital to control the sea lanes.
Oh yeah, and not only that, both the US and Japan have been staunch allies for quite some time now.
@@blockmasterscott America doesn't really need Japanese "carriers"
And china and russia will invade japan. China have huge "crush" on japan and russia still in war with japan in hokkaido.
@@kirayamato7320 you call that a "war"? Seriously? How many million people have died in the "hokkaido war" so far? It's a dispute but not a war you Idiot
The first time I saw the Izumo it was a boxart for a modelkit and it had F-35s operating on it.
You mean fixed wing helicopters 😉
@@v13r3r with internal blades that happen to point lengthwise
The bought enough F35Bs to populate a CAG before 45 was president.
Um, they lost their way and had to land there, no other choice!! 😉
Japan should have at least 5 of Izumo class
good job
I think Japan's got the right idea going for smaller carriers. Over time, I'd expect all carriers to be largely for drones and helos only.
Russia does not have a fleet-capable aircraft carrier. Not unless it's surrounded by a fleet of tug boats.
That's true, but now it seems they're starting to build some ships again. Not carriers though, that'll take time
And what overseas territory does Russia have? Apart from Kaliningrad witch itself is a military base with enough firepower to sink the US fleet many times over. Soviets believed that guided missile is the future. And there was no defense to a barrage of those till you start using automated mini guns.
@@Paciat LOL...
@@Paciat Not really, I'm confident that the US Atlantic Fleet alone could defeat Kaliningrad, not to mention the whole navy, with its 10 aircraft carriers.
I reckon both the Soviets and America (and by extension, the west) believed that Guided Missile is the future the second early Guided Anti Shipping Missile was developed by the US (first one by Germany). The Soviets had more missiles and more missile designs because of a difference in strategy. Technically, the US has more advanced Guided Missiles, since Guided Missiles isn't only Anti-Ship missiles.
There's definetly a defense to Guided Missiles other than CIWS (I presume this is what you call "automated mini guns".). In fact, CIWS' were the last defense against anti ship missiles. The best thing to happen to a ship is an anti ballistic missile hitting the said attacking missile. It was ment to be intercepted by a missile before the CIWS fires any rounds.
@@LeBookKeeper you're right. CIWS is the last-stand.
After a modification of the deck of Izumo,
the first 2 of F35B from the US. Marin Corp have successfully landed and took off on the deck of Izumo as test trials on 03.Oct.2021.
Having 2 pairs of F35 onboard gives the Izumo class a heavyweight punch if required.
They are very useful as helicopter carriers for anti-submarine work and airlift to an invasion beach.
Good to have the IJN on the Allied side this time.
Japanese steel . Superb strength . A classic example are Koken tools . Nothing compares . Unmatched quality . Made in Japan . Always copied by China .
As the saying goes, "the best defense is a good offense".
An insult? Interesting...
Calling the Izumo (or the preceding Hyuga Class) a destroyer is like calling the Arleigh Burke a Missile Gunboat. That said, the 27,000 ton Izumo is quite small and light for a modern flat top -- about the same as a Yorktown Class carrier and a tad smaller than an Essex. While is designed to be capable of embarking the F-35B, the Izumo has not (to date) ever embarked fixed wing aircraft.
Destroyers main role was to destroy torpedo motorboats while being seaworthy so it can go with the bigger ships anywhere they go. The most expendable long range ship within the fleet (excluding coastal defense boats).
@@Paciat That might be true in WWI. It is not true today and it is not even particularly true in WWII. DDs like the Gearings and Akitzukis are very much mainstay AA screen platforms mounting 6~8 flak batteries and more 25~40mm mounts than you can count with ASW as a secondary role.
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The modern destroyer is taking on the role of the Battleships of yore. They are the primary surface-to-surface platform as well as the most heavily armed, most survivable, surface-to-air assets in a modern navy. There is no longer distinct cruiser class in a modern navy per say; at least not in the classic sense of having an 6"~8" gun, some arbitrary displacement or whatever characteristics. The US Navy calls the Ticonderoga a cruiser when it can just as well call it a destroyer. The same can be said of the Kirov or the Zumwalt. The classic role of the destroyer is now shouldered by ships called "frigates" although there is also no clear distinction between FFGs and DDGs in terms of armament, size or any particular characteristics. Motorboat defense is now the role of the Corvettes, Missile Gunboats, Patrol Boats, Littoral "Clusterfuck" Ships of what have you.
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The Japanese are the only ones calling a purpose built flat top aviation ship a destroyer though. These things have no significant gun or missile armament other than point defense weapons. They don't even carry much ship-board ASW gear like towed arrays. They purpose is to embark and fly aircrafts.
@@Paciat that role was handled by Corvette now.
Corvette ->Frigate->Destroyer->Cruiser (from small to big)
yes, but the izumo is undergoing refit now to paint heat resistant coating to embark the mv22 or potentially the f35b
It can take around 20-21 f35b,so it is quiet good,but just one ship is way too small
- Japan, why do you have aircraft carriers again?
- Those are not carriers, those are destroyers.
- Oh?
- Yes.
- But where are the guns, the missiles, the ASW equipment?
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- They uhhhh...
- Go on...
- ...they are on the uhhh...aircraft.
- Aircraft? And where are the aircraft?
- On the carri- *khm* on the...on the destroyer!
The world: Is that an aircraft carrier?
Japan: Well yes... but actually no
They are small aircraft carriers like those the US Marines use. The only difference is that the landing surface hasn’t been hardened get. Once it is hardened then the Izumo Class can handle F35Bs.
You mean amphibious assault ships
Meanwhile in Russia:
You see Sam, ours is not aircraft carrier. Looks like one, but it fires cruise missiles.
America: But where is the cruise missile? I don't see it. All I see is an aircraft parked on the flat top.
*Random hatch from the flight deck opens, flips an aircraft overboard, and cruise missile flies out*
See Sam, once again, this is not an aircraft carrier. It is a cruiser.
@@skybattler2624 this is not plane carrying cruise missile, comrade. this is range improving upgrade equipment for the cruise missile. ;-)
i love that the IJN has carriers again
Izumo already aircraft carrier.. not helicopter carrier.. hahahah🤭
JMSDF #183 Izumo
Light aircraft carrier destroyer of Japan.
Nice video!
a detailed information with clear pronunciation. good video.
The Izumo Class is very similar to the US Navy’s Wasp Class ship.
They are similar because Japan have agreements with US fabricants.
It is a direct copy that has been upgraded. We gave them the plans and technicals and walla! The Izumo class.
@@dagger6467 Not hardly. The Wasp class is quite a bit larger and much different design. The America class is closer in aspect to the Izumo, in that neither of them have a well deck. The Izumo is 27,000 tons full loaded and America is 45,000 tons full loaded.
@@dundonrl You're wrong. The Wasp class does have a well deck so do your research. LCACs (vice one LCAC in the LHAs).
Well Deck Capacity: 3 LCAC or 2 LCU or 6 LC...
Date deployed: July 29, 1989 (USS Wasp)
Flight Deck Width: 140 feet (42.6 meters). Now you look foolish.
@@dagger6467 I spent 5 years (April 13 1993 till April 13 1998 serving on the USS Essex LHD-2 which is a Wasp class) I earned my ESWS pin on board (Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist) which is a general knowledge from the top of mast to the keel, from the bow to the stern, so yeah, I know A LITTLE bit about them. LHD1 to 7 are basically the same ships (minus the Bonhomme Richard, she's being scrapped right now) with the Makin Island LHD-8 having gas turbines instead of steam boilers for her main propulsion. The America class was designed without a well-deck, but larger aviation spaces with LHA-6 and LHA-7 being that flight. LHA-8 will have a smaller well deck due to the Marines needing to be able to carry heavier equipment ashore than can be handled by aviation assets. SO... With neither the Izumo or America class having a well deck they are closer to each other than the Wasp class and Izumo. Oh.. the flight deck isn't 140 ft wide, that's the overall width from the edge of the port elevator to the starboard elevator. The flight deck itself is about 106 ft wide (the beam of the ship) and to go through the Panama Canal, they fold the elevators and remove the catwalks.
Its a good looking little ship.
Everybody: this is an Aircraft Carrier
Japan: actually, this is a new type of Destroyers we are introducing to the world! Yey! Woohoo!🙋🏻♂️
They deserve this, everyone back then wanted an empire so I think in this day and age they should have aircraft carriers
It's a light carrier or escort carrier in all but name. Warships of any type can be used defensively or offensively. Just as a sword can be used to defend or attack. It's the nature of the beast.
Kaga, Izumo, Suryo...
We call it the Kido Butai
Its definitely self-defense against subs
Yes, those f-35's are very good anti sub
We had to make sure, the ocean might be filled with enemy subs!
Put it simply, because their post WW2 laws (Japanese constitution and multilateral treaty after WW2 surrender) prohibits them to have an aircraft carrier.
Simple solution ? build an aircraft carrier and call it "Destroyer that capable carrying fixed wing aircraft and helicopter"
just like UK with their Invincible class "Cruiser", it looks like an aircraft carrier, operate like an aircraft carrier, but legally called an "Aircraft Carrying Cruiser"
Good for japan to counter chinese.. actually it is a aircraft carrier bcoz of F35 VERTICAL LANDING... GO GO JAPAN... FROM PHILIPPINEs
My brother is on the DDH-183 had already underwent work to accommodate F-35B
I think that Japan will ultimately build a “dedicated” aircraft carrier. The next stage might be something similar to either a Juan Carlos (Spain)/Canberra(Australia) type ship with a ski jump or like the Cavour (Italy) aircraft carrier (also with a ski jump). The next step after that might be something similar to the UK’s Queen Elizabeth carrier (also with a ski jump).
Those carriers look ugly.. I hope Japan would build similar to nimitz and ford class supercarriers.
@@marishkagranada7985 Not realistic for a nation that barely got greenlit to make carriers after years. They should go for a Queen Elizabeth style ship, best you can get in terms of conventional (non nuclear) carriers (ironically it is far from conventional).
Nice videos. Keep it up 👌
Ever since the end of the WW2, the loudest opponent to any plans to expand Japan's military, or self-defense as they like to put it, capabilities is Japan's own population. Some other countries just needed to declare void any international stipulations to do what they want, but that's not an option if it's your own population who rejects the ideas. Not calling the Izumo class ships aircraft carriers might also be a domestic political issue.
Yes, GHQ has made the procedure of constitutional revision very difficult, and there are many obstacles now.
This ship will be a stepping stone, it opens the door for larger and more capable flat tops, whatever they want to label them. For example, the old Invincible class of the RN were initially labelled 'through deck cruisers' when carriers were a naughty word to politicians at that time.
A country that had 28 aircraft carriers over 80 years ago.
Excellent analysis of this class. You have a new sub!
I trust Japan more to have aircraft carriers than China
well the RN Invincible class carrier were designated as Through deck cruiser at first .
Russia call theirs heavy aviation guided missile cruiser due to Bosphorus.
I do hope japan make a return to a fleet air arm like the UK it would be really cool too if they named the ships after historical carriers
Japanese Navy is world class and only getting stronger.
@@jameshammonds4687 you might see alot of similarities between Japanese and royal navy..the royal navy did train them and build ships. Two best navies in the world, just shrunk a little lol
when will japan army stop being called "self defense" i mean the war was over 80 years ago
When China and the Koreas and maybe some ASEAN Countries will stop b*tching about it
@@justsomehaatonpassingby4488 Foreign opinions are irrelevant.
The problem is that the procedure for amending the Constitution is very difficult.
@@くろがね-m8j that too, but at the end of the day, foreign relations still matter, especially since Japan relies on importing raw goods and exporting products to it's neighbors
@@justsomehaatonpassingby4488 Only China and Russia are concerned about Japan's military expansion.
@@justsomehaatonpassingby4488 The younger generation of Japanese, including myself, understand the necessity of amending the Constitution. However, the so-called baby boomers were influenced by the anti-war education after the war and the communists who became active after the war, and it is mainly these people who oppose the amendment.
Remember Mogami-class "light" cruiser? They done it before.
Also, Izumo is Japanese aircraft carrier now, it received F-35s.
Not yet, they need to modify the flight deck first.
@@hwdprtn7670 correct me if I'm wrong, they are retrofitting it.
@@nimay13 That’s the plan for her and the Kaga.
@@hwdprtn7670 yes, to deal with the heat from the engines when in vertical mode.
I don’t agree with your contention the Izumo class isn’t the equal to the Russian or Chinese carriers. When loaded with F-35s and Osprey they will be superior. The F-35 is a far superior aircraft than what is flying from the Russian or the first two Chinese carries. It more than makes up for the fact the Japanese carriers are smaller in size. That probably won’t be the case when China has their third carrier up and operational but that could be up to a decade from now.
um... they are installing the island on the third chinese carrier soon, the one with CATOBAR. it will not take a decade for it to be in service. still theyre outnumbered severely by the us and its allies
U have to remember the Chinese and Russian carriers also carry a shit ton of anti ship missiles and are nuclear powered
@@logannicholson1850 chinese ones have the ASMs deleted btw
@@NickThePilotUSA yes they have had the majority of the large systems removed really only the short range and point defense systems left
Nick the Chinese will be christening their third carrier this year or next. However just like with American carriers it takes 3-4 years to fit out and do the work ups before it’s commissioned. Even then a new class will often take another couple of years before it’s fully up to speed. Conventional wisdom is it will take China upward of a decade to get carrier 3 into full service. They have no experience with a carrier this big or complex.
With antiship cruise and hypersonic missile, it makes more sense to have smaller carriers flanked by cruisers and destroyers.
This is similar to Germany post WW1. Japan kept (fleet) aircraft carrier tech alive by overbuilding the ships to what they ostensibly needed to be for helicopters...But perfect for conversion into a true carrier, as they now will be.
deja vu?
In a way, Interwar Japan followed similar trends with the Washington Naval Treaty back then -- morphing the Mogami-class from a light to a heavy cruiser by swapping her main guns as soon as the country dropped out of the Treaty (and then giving Mogami's old main batteries to Yamato as secondary armaments).
Dont worry. As long as the German fascist right wing isnt on the rise.... ohhh wait.
@@Scoobz187 Some very poor decisions have been made by the German left, which tends to push people to the right.
@@ddshiranui history repeat itself..... beautiful
U missed out france and india. India has 2 aircraft carrier and shall start on a supercarrier in the next years with emals platform.
How’s India going to handle new carriers when they can’t even handle their CoV situation properly, in view of thousands already dead and many more following. They are in a ridiculous mine field already, where corpses were thrown into the Ganges.!, explain that.
@@Wbliss How were gonna handle must really b a headache fr u.
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f 15 is such an elegant looking plane.
Japan has one of most potent aircraft carriers in 1941
*had
Aircraft carrier which can submerge underwater, *forever*
They *had 25 carriers in total I think? There may be a couple more but you need glass bottom boats to count them.
With the hospital beds and ability to produce the fresh water I'm assuming it's double tasked as a disaster relief ship.
Remember. The official status of the Izumo class is a “destroyer”, to go around the loophole in Japan’s constitution about not having aircraft carriers due to their mostly aggressive usage. Something Japan’s done a lot recently to expand their military.
According to the official website of Japan's Ministry of Defense, the only weapons prohibited by the Japanese Constitution are nuclear weapons mounted on long-range missiles, and owning an aircraft carrier is not considered a violation of the Constitution. I think it is more like a gentleman's agreement.
Japan should now have rights to have it's own decisions it's an new generation it shouldn't be an puppet of USA. ^_^
@@EternalGaming786 The US didn’t place that constitution. The Japanese could have kept a traditional army in their constitution. But they themselves chose not to due to what I can assume to be guilt.
@@EternalGaming786 well tbh, if they shouldn't be USA puppet, then what would they be? create a new faction? Big nono, already bad reputation. Both already estabilish a mutual relationship, they need each other to face PRC's aggression
Japan have all the right to enhance their own military because right now china has been more aggressive in south china sea and will soon become a real threat to all asian nation.
Offense is the best defence i guess
Hello Sir, good video, very well researched.
Currently, the Self-Defense Forces escort ship is being converted into an aircraft carrier.
Japanese Ships have this kind of angst on it. It looks solid and can definitely throw a punch.
"Through Deck Cruiser"
If Japan seriously builds an aircraft carrier, it will be on par with Ronald Reagan. Now I'm renovating the escort ships Izumo and Kaga into aircraft carriers, but I'm looking forward to it.
I was part of the American team spraying the Thermal Coating on the deck.
No, it won’t because the only real propulsion solution for a carrier that size is nuclear, and Japan won’t go that route. It would be more likely to be similar to the Queen Elizabeth class carrier, perhaps the originally designed CATOBAR version to allow a bit more flexibility
Meanwhile back in the real world, no-one plays by the rules during war.
they are more like guidelines
@@huggableteddybearxd9735 parlay?
Did they have to name one of the ships Kaga? Wasn't that the name of one of the WW2 carriers that attacked Pearl Harbor
Now let's have Akagi, Hiryuu, Soryu, Shoukaku and Zuikaku... get these beauties back on the waters again
What does matter with “attacked Pearl Harbor”?
The current Japanese naming standards for aircraft carriers (helicopter destroyers) are named after the feudal era Provinces.
@@britishpersonwholikesgerma908 The Soryu has already been rebuilt as a submarine.
@@くろがね-m8j Well at least she's back as well... although she is now a sub and not a carrier
What a coincidence the ad before the video played was an ad for a naval war game which featured the Izumo 😂
No, I think the definitions and roles are pretty clear. It's sophistry and word play that creates the grey areas. A pre-emptive strike is starting a war, as there is no real proof that the enemy would have attacked first. It could have been posturing of a bluff.
Halim Talafuka,Alhamdulillahirobbil Alamiin,Allahumma Amiin......
Nothing can compare to the Nimitz or Ford class Super Carriers.
These ships have always been funny to me. Yes, this is a destroyer. No, it is not an aircraft carrier, we’re not allowed to have aircraft carriers. Please ignore the fact that it has a full-length flight deck and weighs more than most of the fleet carriers we started WWII with.
There is another need for Izumo and Kaga to install the F-35B
If a stealth aircraft arrives during island defense, Okinawa's AWACS will be forced to retreat, and at the same time there is a risk that the defense line of the fighter unit performing HAVCAP will be lowered.
For this reason, the Ministry of Defense may carry out fleet air defense by Fast-FAC using the CEC of the Aegis ship and F-35B in order to prevent the situation where air power cannot be used for the operation to recapture the remote islands by the JMSDF. , And is expected by military experts.
from Japanese military fan.
Your intial statement "an aircraft carrier is offensive" is incorrect.
Only if you'd argue that the best defense is offense. A navy never leaving its home waters has no need for mobile airfields when land-based airfields cover the same range. This is why for the past couple decades, aircraft carriers have always been associated with projecting power abroad.
It looks similar to US amphibious landing ship carriers or an escort carrier.
Had the pleasure of visiting her 2x. Recently got a 1/1250 model of her, along with her patch in my office.
World of warship should add this badboy.
Another good informative video.
I just love navy ships
Imagine what a truly modern designed and built battleship would be capable of. No big cannons obviously. Perfected railguns maybe. It would have to have more offensive and defensive weapons, more range speed and firepower than any aircraft carrier.
I personally would like the world to move on from ww2. Japan is wonderful country a great ally to its friends and has shown it’s true to its word. Japan like all nations shouldn’t have to dance around classifying stuff just because of the past/political crap.
The Japanese public is a challege itself. Even after 1991, changing Article 9 will have riots in the streets. The Japanese rather see JSDF as just another fire and rescue team instead of military
@@Joshua_N-A uhh no... Japan would rather have a good and strong military rather than a puppet. Those in japan who are against with it are those zainichi koreans/chinese.
@@TheSourcerer111 he’s partially correct. Some of the younger generation of Japanese citizens are pretty resistant to anything that represents a true military but you’re equally correct the political issues from Japans neighbors after ww2 are def a dominant factor but at least Japan has been respectful enough to see that too. I just wish they didn’t have too is all
Cant believe i am saying this but...GO JAPAN!!!
Damn, the Japanese make some damned handsome looking naval vessels. All through WW2 to present day.
I prefer to call it an “aerial defensive vessel”
Imagine that with a Russian accent, it sounds awesome😁
"There are aircraft that are capable of strike mission, can offense, the ship is obviously an offensive aircraft carrie-"
"No no, No no no. Say with me, "helicopter destroyer" "
*Everything* can be made into an offensive weapon; JSDF fighters could attack China or Russia if the really wanted.
The question is whether *two*ships which are half the displacement of a US Navy Wasp-class amphibious assault ship, and only carry defensively-optimized weapons can reasonably be called an offensive weapon.
@13:10 " They gave the message that the region needs Japan to balance China . And many countries in the Asian Pacific which have had memories of the Second World War, have received and accepted this message"
Dude, the real memories of WW2 is how Japanese bombed the Asian Pacific with their aircraft carriers. Not China.
@@PatriciaFreddy yes. And in reiwa era, japan still have declining economy. Can you'll going war with empty stomach?
@@PatriciaFreddy which means those countries have accepted the message *DESPITE* their memories of what Japan did (which should tell you something of what they think of China).
I wonder if they make yamato class ships again
yamato size and weight is clearly in the class of a super carrier, if thye do build it, there will be no hidding, it will clearly be a air craft carrier.
This channel has helped me realize that there are a lot more level headed people out there, thank you Jeremy.
I think an aircraft carrier (helicopter destroyer) has significant defensive value in that it is a launching point for aircraft that is not in a fixed location.