6 Cores (and more) for everyone! Taking a closer look at the LGA 1356 platform.
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Wow, I've heard about this platform from some russian techno youtubers but, I swear to god, I didn't expect results like this... It's just unbelievable and extremely cheap! Thanks for your videos Phil!
So interesting that companies are making new motherboards with these older sockets. Goes to show how good of a value these old xeons are.
backdoors, meltdown
@@1112223333111 Ain´t a stupid feature by design a pain in the end.
nobody cares of vulnerable cause its very high level hacker requires CIA tools to make a successful backdoor ...ITS NOT LIKE PUT SCRIPT KIDDIES DOES UNDER WINDOWS 10...SINCE WINDOWS IS VULNERABLE ..EVERYONE IS NOW ...SECURE OR NOT ...INCLUDING RYZEN 3000 series
@@user78405 Sad that this practice just keeps on going..
Who's needs backdoors (Meltdown & Spectre) when Windows 10 is installed?
Oh no, another VERY GOOD video, this is wonderful.
Damn it, no clickbait :)
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nuf said!
This a good way to go for a budget build! for a little bit more one can look into 'R5 1600(6C/12T) + GB B450 Aorus M MB + 2x8GB 3000MHz Ram' combo. got those those for $217 last month and could not be happier. With Ryzen 3rd gen announced, 1st get R5s are a steal these days!
Not here in Australia :(
I've heard about this platform before, thanks to Bryan from Tech YES City, but now I have more information about it, thank you!
You earned yourself a new subscriber!
You can get cheap VRM coolers off aliexpress, they're a bit hard to find however. I believe if you search using keywords such as MOSFET cooling and similar keywords
Thanks you helped
I'd say this motherboard is far below the socket 2011 motherboards you've reviewed in terms of quality. I'd pay the extra $20-30 for either of the LGA2011 boards if I want to get on the budget Xeon bandwagon.
I'm onboard Phil! I just replaced my HP Z600 with dual X5675s for a Supermicro X9DAL motherboard based system with dual e5 2470s to give me a super cheap 16 core 32 thread workstation, Getting around 1900 in cinebench r15
Just been testing mine this week Phil very happy with it .
Ever since switching my R3E over to an x5680, I'm a huge fan of running the older Xeons. You just can't beat the price, and there's plenty of performance there to be had.
So did the xeon have much better performance. Cause I am building a pc and was going to buy a ryzen 3 1200 for an upgrade path or would a xeon be better
idk why don't have more subs than now, for me u are doing good and ur videos aren't boring and u take time to watch comments
F....
You didn't got refund from those Chinese sellers...
i got my refund for a broken mobo.
I really am loving this content on old xeons I've always been interested but almost all of the videos covering these are in Russian or some other Eastern European languages with no translation available so this is extremely useful
Liked the video, just wanted to comment on how TDP is a rating of thermal output for CPUs, not power consumption. TDP can be close to the power consumption of the part, but not always.
For a second I thought this was a Micro STX board from the thumbnail, but no Mini DTX. Cool, thank you for the info.
Great videos! i recently became a fan and i love the videos, very informative! keep the good work! greetings from Argentina :D
+1
The LGA2011 platform is worth it even for the additional cash
Very true.
Necro Spencer and that extra is not that much overall. I think really, as Phil said, the value of 1356 is about cheap 6 cores and 12 threads, but not anything beyond that. Want more cores? Just get yourself a 2011 mobo, you get so much more stuff for your money and 8 cores are super affordable.
Thanks very much for these videos Phil!
Thanks Phil, great quality in your videos as always.
I really enjoy this new series Phil! It is fantastic and super helpful, keep up the awesome work! :)
Yet another excellent video! This board and processor are obviously more suited to gaming, but I bet it could handle office/professional work well too
Office for sure! As well as the usual browsing the Internet, watching videos and all of that stuff.
Wow very good, you always impress me, keep making more, maybe compare motherboards side by side ?😘
Yeah I'd like to see a roundup and direct side-by-side comparisons.
@@dasauto7346 me too
@J.C. Denton any motherboard recommended
Of course, the Chinese knows how to make a compelling budget friendly motherboard to pair up old high end parts to get something quite interesting, even if quality is one of those things that is doubtful.
Thanks Dr Phil.
Really love your videos, you have got me totally hooked on the used market!
Can't wait for the overclocking video.
Really loving this series. Thank you for the content.
Looking forward to the next video 🙂👍
Lga 1356 CPUs are a bit cheaper on eBay in the states if anyone's trying to save a few more bucks. The six core Xeon is going for around $35.
Steve from Hardware Unboxed would like a word with you.
Nah it's all good, we are talking :) Also note that I used a better motherboard with nicer layout, M.2 and USB 3, a better CPU the 2430V2 and I modded my BIOS to overclock the RAM to 1600 MHz 11-11-11-28, all of this does make quite a difference :)
PhilsComputerLab spend a tad more and grab a 1660 xeon
@@chefgav1 Coming to the channel soon!
@@philscomputerlab
No offenses nor dispute with you whatsoever, just to say:
Hardware Unboxed --> Only for rich people, this guy doesn't care about people on budget. Moreover this he's babbling too much and he's not enough into action.
Tech YES City --> A mix for both rich and budget people. Missing a bit into action and howto.
PhilsComputerLab (yourself) --> THE BEAST for budget gaming rigs. 90% showing how to do computing things. Missing a bit step by step though. Neat and detailed explanations. Whatelse?
Only my opinion, thx peace ;-)
@@MiettedeThonTomate Hardware unboxed has all his hardware sent to him for free, he has no idea that people pay for stuff with their hard earned.
Yet another excellent video. Thanks for your time and insight!
Those Xeons are impressive for their age. My i5-4690k is starting to show its age in some newer titles. Stuff like DOOM (2016) and Forza are fine, though. The Vulkan and DX12 APIs seem to push my GPU harder and the 4 core CPU is still good enough @4.1Ghz.
Where the 4 cores really struggle are in Ubisoft open-world games like Watchdogs 2. It gets choked on geometry draw-calls. To hit 60fps consistently, I have to lower the geometry settings a notch or two.
Thanks Phil for the comprehensive video. Superb as usual 😄
Super glad to see you trying an unlocked processor
Once you have done all these motherboards and CPUs can you do a summary wrap up for price performance.
I am mostly interested in content creation.
Cheers
I'd wager the best option is still the Xeon 2689 LGA2011 Plattform. CPU is like 50$ on AliExpress, Mainboard is about 75$-90$. 8 Cores 16 Threads DDR3 ECC, you get heaps of perfomance for a really cheap price.
Theman703 that's what I bought, so hopefully lol
@@oscarl-b8870 If I had know about this before, I may would've rather bought the 2689 instead of a ryzen 1600, especially because I already had 16Gb of DDR3 From my FX Rig. Alas now it's too late.
@@OMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOGM I can't see how Steve from hardware unboxed can say it's only $100 extra for a ryzen system
Yes I think a longer or multi-video round-up would be good. There's a lot to take in. But it seems we hold off on this MB as it isn't the best value.
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🙂 some people find them relaxing, pickup a load at a shipper and then spend the day in actual time driving Over The Road, just like us real truckers ✌️😎🚛🚛🚛🚛🚛
😏 pickup a CB Radio & Whip Antenna as well if u wana get even more into it ☺️ lol
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@@comfy_rwds 🙂 sounds good
Thanks I'll have a look!
@mctwhizz Project Cars 2 has a a free demo! So I'll be using this in future videos, there are 2 races, the second one has rain and seems to be more demanding, so that will be a good test :D
@@philscomputerlab 🙂 yes thats a good one for tests 🚗
I have a Ryzen workstation and a MSI laptop but I like these value build videos, especially with the twist you give them. I'll never forget where I came from, gaming on an Atom 2 in 1 tablet/notebook, playing classic DOS games. Those games have more soul than most of these games that come out now so I may be looking to revisit them soon. Cheers from USA.
A very demanding simulation is City Skylines, that gives any CPU's a very hard time since you can manually adjust counters in the game menu to test the heck out of the simulation and your system :)
Cities is more worried about the single thread performance still (it uses more than 1 thread but its still limited) - a fast quad runs just as good as anything with more threads.
So much shade from HwUb hahaha. Man you struck a nerve, well Brian's been doing.it for way longer. Haha. You should be proud
Yea, I'm genuinely happy with the performance I'm seeing, but yea I was working on LGA 775 and Phenom II projects, so I guess I got carried away a little bit and lacking comparison with modern CPUs.
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Great combo as always
Do any of these cheap boards do the dual cpu thing? I'm guessing not, but thought I'd ask.
Not that I've seen, for dual Xeon action, there are LGA 2011 boards.
PhilsComputerLab, what budget set for today you propose for plex/nas multimedia server?
I just love these videos. I happen to have bunch of older 2011 and 13something6 CPUs (not sure if it's 1356 or 1366) so I am definitely going to find them and then get a motherboard based on your recommendations.
32gb is so cool. You linked the ram modules right. And Wewt Battlefield 1
I happy for you. Seems everyone wants these videos. Squeezing the dollar is so much fun.
I have tons of fancy hardware and i dont use it much. Save it for customers.
✌️😏 775 & 1156 FTW! ✌️😏
This is the best reviews on UA-cam for this motherboard! Congratulations! Thanks for taking the time to test the E5-2470 too. Only a little catch, as in the description you give direct product links for some items but for others you provided a search result instead and IDK if it's only an issue with my phone or AliExpress app but search results give me an empty page... If you could kindly provide direct product links for all the CPUs it would be greatly appreciated! Also, do you know of there is any store with "cheap" DHL shipping cost (relative to each other)? Best regards!
I'll keep that in mind for the next videos. I prefer searches as it doesn't single out particular sellers and spreads the love :D Links should work on the desktop.
Looks like a great start for a budget server or NAS.
Great great job.
Great to see games using multi core well! I sold my old Dell T7500 with x5670 6C12T which looks similar isngle core performance to this. I got an E5 1620 instead as has higher single core performance but 'only' 4C8T. Interesting stuff!
thank you for sharing this valuable information, keep it up with these great hardware videos, greetings from Chile
Great video, love using your videos for build ideas!
i think its better to go with a 2011 socket and thats because you can get boards for around 80 dollars and you can get a 8 core e5 2650 v2 for around 50 dollars
The 2650V2 is my favourite recommendation, but prices have crept up to over USD 70...
@@philscomputerlab never mind i think it was the c2 not the v2
@@philscomputerlab it was on ebay you can get them for 55 usd
I really wish x99 cpu prices would drop already. I feel like I'm missing out. ):
wait 5 years
I went with an X5670 ($19), with 24gb of ecc ram running in triple channel($35, used server ram, eBay auction), and a cheap used motherboard($28), but yeah, the results are pretty much the same, and less than 100 bucks.
I got a nice used cooler for just $10, a 240gb ssd for $24, and now all that's left is snipping a good deal on a used RX480 8gb, the whole rig should come in just under $200. Hopefully I'll have it up and running by the end of the month.
It should be able to play pretty much everything in high/ultra settings at 1080p/60+fps (except maybe PUBG, that game is just horribly unoptimized).
And it'll pay for itself in video editing work.
Future upgrades for the same computer:
-PCIe X16 NVMe adapter and 1TB NVMe SSD(non bootable, but can be defaulted to for all programs to be installed on it, and having the video files being edited on that drive will make everything faster as well)
-PCIe X4 USB 3.1 Gen2 adapter (will make getting files from the camera to the computer MUCH faster)
Nice! I'm curious, how does your camera interface so that it benefits from USB 3.1 Gen 2? Is that a high speed SD card reader or something else?
im getting one of these boards because their cheap pretty much lol for my stepbrother however its not this board you showed in your video its a jingsha x79 board for $49 USD. i still do have a e5 2420 v2 sitting around im giving him this setup because hes running on a fx 6300 so since alot more games are using more threads thought i would give him a little upgrade thats better for core thread work flow for games and other processes in the background.
Thank you for your review. I am having big pleasure listening you. It is good that your are showing the power consumption, as it is not common for most tech observers. Maybe here also would be good to add few words about the efficiency for your power supply, as final power consumption is very dependent of PSU. Some less experienced viewers could take it wrong thinking that values of power consumption you show is what only CPU and mobo use, missing the fact that PSU itself can consume from 5% to 40% of power. And due to this real CPU`s TDP under max load actually corresponds to official spec. paper.
PSU has 650W and rated 80 Gold.
Looks like there are mounting holes for the VRM. Only if one can mill out and attached a simple heatsink.
What coincidence... i just bought and receive the same motherboard set....
with 16GB with 2450v2.....
i plan to used it as a VM server...
but sadly, the motherboard only have ONE NIC (and it's a *realtek NIC)....
have to buy a separate INTEL NIC for ESX to work....
*before you guys complaint there is a realtek patch for esx...
i prefer not to go that route as VLAN is not working correctly with the patch....
To access windows app files you need to change the setting which hides the folders then the edit and view permissions to your account.
So the board has USB 3.0 but Sata II. That means your keyboard has more speed than your SSD... Stupid product.
Lga2011>>>>
Just use M.2 for faster speed.
@@philscomputerlab Oh yes, M.2, you got a point. It's a great value for people who don't have a ton of money to spend, thank you for showing this.
Crazy to think you can get something almost as fast as my computer now for so cheap. My e5-1650-v2, ga-x79-ud3, 16gb ram(4x4), and 980 ti hybrid aren't to much ahead of this computer.
Hi, Can I ask something? What Heatsink sockets are compatible with LGA 1356? Thanks.
LGA 1366 CPU coolers will fit AFAIK!
Good work phil!!
As always, superb work man
Thank you! This Mobo looks good!
Base line benches and game play out of the box without mod's would be great for comparison.
Woah, It's Friday again. As always good content. Yeah you have a point to switch to lga 2011 if we want to get the 8c/16t for low cost.
Would you recommend this CPU over FX 6300?
Yes I would!
If I'm not totally wrong with english (I'm not fluent), seemed to me that you compared termal dissipated power with the electrical power draw from PSU which is an error. Am I wrong?
i like cutting up old heatsinks making my own VRM coolers
Thanks for a wonderful video and here are some comments from my testing. I'm using the 8 core E5-2450v2 and if I stress test (prime95) the 8 cores withOUT hyperthreading; it hits the 95w tdp limit. Thus, it may be worthwhile to turn off HT for gaming. Also, it would be useful to prevent core-parking (speed throttling at idle). The difference in idle power usage for me was 15.5 watts with 8 cores full speed (2.9 Ghz) and 12.3 watts (8 cores but with idling). Hopefully this can help micro-stuttering as the LGA1356 chips just lack the max single thread IPC due to their limited 95W tdp max.
@ 12:45 , use enzotech mos-c1 cooler to improve vrm's cooling. 1pack: 10pcs with adhesive thermal pad, for my motherboard im using 2 packs.
I have a question. X5670 looks better thank the xeon 2430V2 so why did you choose 1356?
I'm not familiar with that CPU, tell me more!
PhilsComputerLab you don't know x5670??? It's a west mere 6core Xeon that can overclock really high. 4.5+ ghz. You do bclk overclocking on an x58 motherboard. You can buy those cpus for cheap. X5650-20 bucks max. Sometimes 10 dollars. The problem is you can't find the motherboards for cheap. Incredible deal if you can find a good motherboard.
@@jamesjacob9632 Ah yes, well that makes it hard to recommend then.
@@jamesjacob9632 Yep, mobos can be expensive AF. Only good if you manage to stumble across cheap one.
@@philscomputerlab HUANAN , on Aliexpress , has also NEW X58 boards , for around 60 bucks ! See here : nl.aliexpress.com/item/33026618487.html
Phil. Do you ever feel like we have it too good these days with all these awesome cheap and powerful hardware components ? Thanks for sharing the love.
In a way yes, the used PC parts market is really healthy, if you can dial down expectations a little bit, than it's amazing value.
@@philscomputerlab I've very much lowered my expectations. I actually sold my newest PC in favour of building a butt kicking system from used parts. I have no regrets.
My i7 6700k rig went to a good home, I was originally going to put the money towards a Ryzen 7 3800 on release, I ended up with a Xeon E5-2687W for my older x79 system. That was the highest performance CPU officially supported on my Gigabyte GA-x79 UD3 so I pulled the trigger. It's in the mail right now. I can't wait!
@@garyhope6577 Yea it's nice to be able to sit back, let the Ryzen 3000 reviews come around. B550 boards won't be out until next year either, so I think it will be a while until the market is healthy and prices settled. Oh and never rule out Intel, they will for sure respond! More and more games are super optimized and you can put most money into a graphics card these days.
No good deals on decent GPUs due to Mining. Specifically SLI capable components as a flow on effect.
RX 570 and 580 are good value, but I will wait for July to see what the new AMD cards, and GeForce Super is like.
Do you have any plan on making an overclocking video on the PlexHD mobo from last video? I'm on the edge of buying that board. And please compare E5-2689 to R7 1700, R5 2600, and/or i5 9400F!!! :D
Yes that's coming soon! I'll be using a 1650V2! And I don't have any such modern parts, they are quite expensive. I do need a faster GPU though, the RX 580 is not cutting it with faster CPUs, even at 720p it's bottlenecking the systems.
@@philscomputerlab Understandable, I hope you can afford a high end GPU soon. Btw why don't you monetize your videos? An ad at the beginning and the end of your videos will be fine.
Great Vid man, Looking forward to the LGA2011 video!
Hello, would you be able to test this platform with the rx470D graphics card. I would like to know how the performance looks like.
because I want to put together such a set.
This platform supports Triple-Channel RAM but the motherboard only has 2 DIMM slots. That's a pretty big OOF in my opinion. The extra memory bandwidth would definitely alleviate those CPU bottlenecks by a noticeable margin.
Agreed! Best to go with LGA 2011, that one has Quad-Channel!
@@philscomputerlab Yep! That's what I did! Been rocking a 1680 v2 for a while now! 😁
cpus are way hyped and over rated. im amazed how well some of these older cpus perform. i personally am using a 10 year old xeon, x5675 , @ 4.5ghz, tripple channel memory, with a vega 56 sittin on it. my gpu isnt bottlenecking on anything, i always get 90-99% gpu usage, this connected to a 144hz freesync @ 1080p, i get 100-144 fps on screen on all the games i play. i payed 18.00 usd, for my cpu- mobo was 100 bucks, ram was 100 bucks, less than 220 for mobo+cpu+memmory, i get the vega 56 for 250.00 usd, for about 500 bucks i have a true 140 fps, 1080p rig that i absolutely love. i could have spent soooo much more, for a system that wouldnt have been any better. ( for games mind you) for the average gamer, there is almost no reason to spend 200-300 on a cpu, 150 on a mobo, and 150 on pricy ddr4 .... unless you just have no budget concerns, but seriously the used market is great right now, and im very impressed with how well older hardware still holds its own in todays current market
1440p does wonders to make old vs new basically perform the same :)
thanks for the effort and the video, take a look again at your cpu usage % in almost all of the benchmarks, it does not reach 99 or100%, it seems the cores speed is holding it's back on 1080p
ah you are testing in 720p, I see ! Thanks
have you checked out the 4core CPUs on the x58 platform, they go for $6
I don't think we will be checking out that platform, finding decent X58 boards is difficult.
Love your videos ! keep up the good work ! Good price performance is great, but aren't you concerned about durability ? Seems to me this isn't that of a bargain if it fries only after a few month. Not sure if we can trust the brands, even if giving a second life to theses older server processors is exiting and good for the environment.
That's why I recommend parts that go well together, consume little power and should last you a long time!
Finally,went an got it,with 16 gig of evc ram,and cpu,E 2430.
On Ali,the prices skyrocketed, I wonder,why 8)))))
RAM should always be dirt cheap and the 2430V2 try this link. They play tricks with the search results, using cookies. www.aliexpress.com/item/E5-2430V2-Original-Intel-Xeon-E5-2430V2-2-5GHZ-6-Core-15MB-SmartCache-E5-2430-V2/32833665103.html
I'm thinking about getting this to replace my x3470. Because I only get 40ish fps in Minecraft modded and my CPU is holding me back not my gpu (rx 560 4gb). After seeing this video I know what to do. But do you know if a lga 1156 CPU cooler would fit on a 1356 socket or would I have to get a new cooler?
You can get a Ryzen 5 + Gigabyte B450M DS3H + 16GB G.SKILL Aegis 3000 DDR4 for that amount of money, instead of that old Server Optimised Setup of yours...much better for the value!
@philscomputerlab just curious. Have you tried two 32GB RAM 🐏 sticks i.e 64GB to see if they are compatible? The board specs are very non specific on various Chinese / Russian sites about this board but the these Xeon’s should support higher ram it all depends if the sockets contain the required address lines...
I am not too familiar with server sockets, but I do want to eventually build a Xeon system for both gaming and general multitasking. Which socket would you recommend? All of them seem decent enough, but I'm not sure which one is the best value in overall
Loving these vids!!! Keep em coming 😁😁😁
does this motherboard support windows 7? or linux?
both yes
e5-2470 vs e5-2430v2 , the first wins in a way , there is 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads , you can expect the higher power consuption and heat output but if i am doing this i will overclock as well . get a better air cooler as well
Does the motherboard or platform in general allow overclocking? While it's really enticing as a cheap multicore setup, frequencies are really low and could use an overclock.
Xeons are locked
TDP is what your Cooler must handle and how much airflow your case needs etc, it has nothing to do with power consumption at the wall. You CAN trust the rated TDP of a component. That's why you see those power meters for sale in stores, especially in countries with high power prices. You will also notice it's warm in their houses and the heated floor is on in the laundry.
what do you recommend more 1356 or x58 or x79? they are very cheap xeon x5670 for 15 bucks and e5 2650v2 for 25 dls , or xeon e5 2430 v2 for 30 bucks?
I very much prefer 2011 for sure!
Hey @PhilsComputerLab did you use an NVME SSD or SATA? As the Aliexpress listing for this motherboard says it only supports NVME, but I'm not sure why
Yes I used a NVME PCIe SSD! It has PCIe 3.0 x 2 specifications.
Thank you for the great video Phil!! Would you recommend this current setup for a power efficient freenas/plex server build, or one of the other versions of this board with a lower TDP processor?
The idle power draw is higher than what I see on LGA 1155 with Sandy or Ivy Bridge Quad, so with that in mind I might lean towards 1155 instead!
@@philscomputerlab Thank you!
You might try some of those small heatsinks with 3m thermal tape you can get off ebay. I bought some for a 760g motherboard vrm and it worked pretty well. Just make sure it is legitimate 3m thermal tape will typically be cheaper with the tape pre applied.
Although what I like the most is your retro-hardware content (best content creator when it comes to retro PC !), specially Pentium III and earlier era, it is good to know a bit more on the Xeon line, which I am not that familiar with. Greetings from Uruguay !
Yea I covered so much already with Retro, and also I don't get any requests as to what people want to see. Whereas with these Xeon stuff, there is a real buzz and it's exciting!
@@philscomputerlab But what about slot 2 Xeon!? ;-)
Good Video But theres something that i was wondering, is there a way to limit the power consumption of the Sandy Bridge CPU in the bios because i had a few motherboards that have that feature, i know it might hurt boost clocks but i wonder if that is an option thanks.
I just can't get enough of these Chinese muddarboards!
Hey, Phil great video. Any chance you could run through unlocking turbo boost on this motherboard?
Regarding the wattage and TDP, you should explain that TDP is for amount of heat generated by processor and has nothing to do with actual power consumption of processor. This is why you have TDP ratings on coolers for example Max Wraith has TDP of 95W meaning it's ok to cool cpus that have TDP
Yea but that TDP is totally inaccurate. A 80W CPU, 50c on CPU and VRM, whereas a 95W TDP CPU 90+ and VRM over 125C, then shutting off machine. That was the point I was trying to make :) Whereas the power meter showed a much more accurate picture of what was going on.