She now has a new legal team lead by lawyer Mark McDonald. He is capable of getting experts to show up for the defence. It is backed by almost all medical, statistical and forensic experts in the uk and abroad. I think Lucy will at some point be exonerated
Lucys first efense team fed her to the wolves. Now shej as people willing to fight for her. And yes given what ive seen of thie original autopsies and then tge hypothetical murders and phony insulin tamperings i feel 100 percent she is innocent
The problem with this case. The prosecution were allowed to retrospectively go back years fitting things together in a way that suited them. Now I appreciate people would say or what else are they expected to do? The key for all this is the medical expert told them these babies had come to harm, if people are going to challenge that medical expertise this case takes on a completely different look.
Lucy's Barrister Ben Myers didn't call any of Lucy's Expert Witnesses, except the plumber. This creates the impression she was failed by him. Could it be possible the judge gave directions they were not to be called to avoid witnesses on both sides disagreeing with each other during the trial, as Expert Witnesses are supposed to be providing independent, unbiased, evidence to the court? I believe Ben Myers is continuing with the Appeal against the sentence related to Baby K, with solicitor Richard Thomas. Barrister Mark McDonald is starting the lengthy process of reviewing the case files in preparation for a CCRC Application. He is working without fees, as he has done for another nurse in prison, with a potential MOJ. I expect others from the legal profession, will join the growing army of genuine experts across the medical and scientific communities, offering their help. There's no Legal Aid for this I understand. The strength of feeling around this case is so strong, if it's necessary, I wouldn't be surprised to see it crowd funded to help Lucy find justice and get home to her family.
Among all the faults of the lackluster defence, what was also forgotten was the fact these were not normal babies- normal babies pop out of Mum and go home with her the next day to live a happy life. It is human arrogance to expect that all these underweight, sick babies passing through an ICU are just going to have a bit of treatment, voila!! become stable and survive. The prosecution implied that Letby had gone berserk because she was a smothered, spoiled only child... of course her parents thought she was precious she had been an ICU baby herself and it was touch and go if she survived. There are reports which may/may not be true that Letby was granted 1.5 million in legal aid, as it is not expected that a £30 -40K a year nurse (who had the burden of so much life/death responsibility) could pay it herself. But maybe that was not enough in the legal profession and she got a bargain bucket defence. As not only did they fail to deliver expert witnesses they didn't challenge any of the nonsense the prosecution was putting out such as showing a phone video of Letby out on the tiles with her drunken mates...I mean what was the point of that? or trying to say she was guilty because she was scorned by not having the attention of a married doctor.The prosecution was clutching at straws and the defence should have whacked them out of their hands.
The problem is, as the recent documentary stated, no medical experts want to risk their careers in being a witness on her defence. Even if they think she deserves a better rationale. I always felt the trial was unsafe and was shocked she was convicted. That doesn't mean I think she's innocent but feel she deserves a fair trial.
There’s a legal aid system for those who are below a certain income. She might have had assets eg a house that at she had to sell first to fund her lawyers
Ok: instead of thinking about Lucy Letby for a moment let's think about how the law works. Someone is convicted , fires their legal team , retains new team. New team are obliged to explore every avenue which is open to them, that is their role, to do less would be dereliction of duty. Now come to Letby, there is a lot in the media lately which could be taken as grounds for unsafe conviction. But as you say we don't know everything. If there is a (potential) miscarriage of justice then it is 100% right that CCRC are approached to consider evidence. That being said let's take a moment to consider the effect this will have on families whose babies are dead or were injured. It will undoubtedly represent further emotional turmoil for them
She now has a new legal team lead by lawyer Mark McDonald. He is capable of getting experts to show up for the defence. It is backed by almost all medical, statistical and forensic experts in the uk and abroad.
I think Lucy will at some point be exonerated
Lucys first efense team fed her to the wolves. Now shej as people willing to fight for her. And yes given what ive seen of thie original autopsies and then tge hypothetical murders and phony insulin tamperings i feel 100 percent she is innocent
From all that I have learned about what has gone in the Lucy Letby case, I'm left with absolutely no doubt that her conviction is wholey unsafe.
The problem with this case. The prosecution were allowed to retrospectively go back years fitting things together in a way that suited them. Now I appreciate people would say or what else are they expected to do? The key for all this is the medical expert told them these babies had come to harm, if people are going to challenge that medical expertise this case takes on a completely different look.
Lucy's Barrister Ben Myers didn't call any of Lucy's Expert Witnesses, except the plumber. This creates the impression she was failed by him. Could it be possible the judge gave directions they were not to be called to avoid witnesses on both sides disagreeing with each other during the trial, as Expert Witnesses are supposed to be providing independent, unbiased, evidence to the court?
I believe Ben Myers is continuing with the Appeal against the sentence related to Baby K, with solicitor Richard Thomas. Barrister Mark McDonald is starting the lengthy process of reviewing the case files in preparation for a CCRC Application. He is working without fees, as he has done for another nurse in prison, with a potential MOJ. I expect others from the legal profession, will join the growing army of genuine experts across the medical and scientific communities, offering their help. There's no Legal Aid for this I understand. The strength of feeling around this case is so strong, if it's necessary, I wouldn't be surprised to see it crowd funded to help Lucy find justice and get home to her family.
Among all the faults of the lackluster defence, what was also forgotten was the fact these were not normal babies- normal babies pop out of Mum and go home with her the next day to live a happy life. It is human arrogance to expect that all these underweight, sick babies passing through an ICU are just going to have a bit of treatment, voila!! become stable and survive. The prosecution implied that Letby had gone berserk because she was a smothered, spoiled only child... of course her parents thought she was precious she had been an ICU baby herself and it was touch and go if she survived. There are reports which may/may not be true that Letby was granted 1.5 million in legal aid, as it is not expected that a £30 -40K a year nurse (who had the burden of so much life/death responsibility) could pay it herself. But maybe that was not enough in the legal profession and she got a bargain bucket defence. As not only did they fail to deliver expert witnesses they didn't challenge any of the nonsense the prosecution was putting out such as showing a phone video of Letby out on the tiles with her drunken mates...I mean what was the point of that? or trying to say she was guilty because she was scorned by not having the attention of a married doctor.The prosecution was clutching at straws and the defence should have whacked them out of their hands.
The problem is, as the recent documentary stated, no medical experts want to risk their careers in being a witness on her defence. Even if they think she deserves a better rationale.
I always felt the trial was unsafe and was shocked she was convicted. That doesn't mean I think she's innocent but feel she deserves a fair trial.
Great conversation.
I'm not in the UK... who pays for her lawyer's ?
There’s a legal aid system for those who are below a certain income. She might have had assets eg a house that at she had to sell first to fund her lawyers
Ok: instead of thinking about Lucy Letby for a moment let's think about how the law works. Someone is convicted , fires their legal team , retains new team. New team are obliged to explore every avenue which is open to them, that is their role, to do less would be dereliction of duty. Now come to Letby, there is a lot in the media lately which could be taken as grounds for unsafe conviction. But as you say we don't know everything. If there is a (potential) miscarriage of justice then it is 100% right that CCRC are approached to consider evidence. That being said let's take a moment to consider the effect this will have on families whose babies are dead or were injured. It will undoubtedly represent further emotional turmoil for them
Legally it’s very interesting but as you point out there’s a huge emotional impact on the families