Liked this video. I’m a web developer. Worked with Mac a until a few years back until docker became a standard more and more in projects. And switched to Linux professionally due to the slow fs volume mounts issue on Mac. Became a big Linux fan because of it. My personal old Mac is still working but out of updates and battery is dead. Considering switching back to windows because of wsl. Even though I screamed for years I’d never go back to windows 😄 tried wsl yesterday on a windows 11. Was installed quickly, ran into no problems whatsoever. Installed my projects, got my dev setup up and running as fast as in plain Linux installation. Gotta give Microsoft and the wsl developers credits.
@@PostcardsFromJapan I daily drove all 3 for years (at different times). Used win since DOS times, then used os x around the Win Vista era or so, ran NixOS for maybe a year or two and I'm finally on win 11 these days. In my opinion, win 11 these days is just the one with the fewest paper cuts. OS X is visually pretty, but it sits in a really weird place; the window manager is really pretty bad, not even being able to maximize or tile 50% easily is really bad. XQuartz worked, but it was a pain similar to VcXsrv and homebrew was really not good. Mac OS X was better than cygwin, but that's about it. But the moment you try to do anything in console, you very much feel that it's not gnu/linux. Obviously you want *Linux* for server purposes and there's usually enough of a semantic gap that it's never seamless. Linux is in some ways great and I absolutely loved my xmonad on nixos setup. But the number of times I had to fix something random because again something was a bit non-standard, or because the screen would tear, etc. is horrible. Windows on the other hand you just install and it works, it has a great hypervisor for headless servers, wsl is a perfect real linux environment that's 99% standard. You can run gui apps without messing around with good GPU perf. And you can easily live in a native-rendered vscode but code 100% on linux. It's very good dev environment. And yes, I'd love to have a dynamic tiler on windows, but with powertoys the native window manager is really quite usable and gets out of my way and I can focus on getting my things done. And windows is just miles ahead on hw support. OS X is kinda ok, if you're careful to pick supported HW more or less (yes, there's such a thing as keyboards, printers or scanners and not everything is built into your macbook). Linux HW support is also pretty good these days, but you have to work for it. My ideal system would be a gnu userland with the ability to use my own WM on top of a windows kernel. Linux as a kernel is completely irrelevant in all but very special use cases (e.g. running a 100Gbit router or similar). And the windows kernel is by far the best supported hw-wise. It's the constant paper cuts of hw support on all but windows, the very limited window management on os x as well as being far from linux and the constant paper cuts with not-properly-working ux in linux that makes windows the least painful system for me. Plus, there's of course some windows software that I need because interacting with the rest of the world so usually, there's at least some windows that's necessary. And it's much easier to run linux stuff on windows than vice versa. And os x is even worse, because neither linux nor windows stuff works easily. And not everything is logic pro.
Progamming on wsl feels smooth like butter, installing packages from NPM extremly fast compare to native windows. Working on framework like Laravel is much much much faster. I love this kind of windows products.
@@ajarivas72 Windows has good management now, and will probably claw back any market share it lost, which was already miles ahread anyway, by setting up WSL they've clawed a lot of productivity users back. Windows 11 is quite an improvement on a desktop level as-well, but I agree they aren't as strong on the server side. Though all of this a good thing, it will make Apple and Linux in general have to up their game.
@@ajarivas72i agree with the server side, semi-agree with development and disagree with desktop. about the development, it pretty much depends on what you code, i make programs for Windows so i have to use a windows machine but if that's not the case for you, i guess you'll be fine with linux. and the desktop side, no, just no. please stop saying this ridiculous sentence every. single. year. no linux is not going to destroy macos and windows. its marketshare is always gonna be %1-5 at best. it's not for everyone, it's completely different from windows, even with linux mint/manjaro.
@@nerdotechnology While this generation will most likely stick to Windows out of comfort, thanks to Valve and the Fedora project, there is really no reason for the next one to. I think we could potentially see the story of Blender repeat itself.
There's this "Windows subsystem for android" on windows 11 soon which i wonder if it could have same experience as WSL without having to dual boot to android x86. In that case it would be cool to have 3 in 1 native crossover apps in just 1 OS.
The main reason I don't use Linux as my main system is that I haven't found a linux distro that handles different resolution monitor setups as good as Windows does. (I use 3 monitors, one 4k and 2 slightly older ones with lower res) I use WSL daily, but I still hope that I can one day use a native Linux distro as my daily driver.
Does Fedora not cope with that? Always thought that needs a Wayland based display system to make that use case work properly. So AMD and Fedora are probably the best bet for that. NVidia are doing some work for Wayland in their driver don't know how good it is though.
@@themedleb I'm using Wayland with Nvidia with 2 monitors, and it works great most of the time, the only pain in the ass is that sometimes for some reason the graphics takes longer to show up after logging in, don't know if that's because of KDE Plasma 6, NIxOS (that's what I'm using), Nvidia or Wayland. That doesn't happens with X11 though
I like the new WSL on Windows 11 as it provides native graphics support. I'm a physicist who do a bit of simulation work and the library I use only works in Unix systems, with the recommended install being in a conda environment. My work laptop uses Windows so obviously Anaconda in WSL is perfect. My 10 year old home computer runs Ubuntu
The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS. NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
I have my gaming machine running Win 10 and I remote connect to it from my Linux/Android systems either via SSH or Parsec/NoMachine. It's solid combo that works, especially since I am really casual these days anyway and I don't want to waste so much electricity just for web browsing or Discord.
Woahhh hold on, that sounds like a dream come true for me... But I don't understand how that works? Ive tried remote gaming before, even with both machines on Ethernet and the same local network, but it has always came with some caveats. Lag, occasional stuttering, reduced quality, all that kind of stuff. Do you experience any kind of reduced quality when you game or is it just as good? Could you link a guide or mention the specific method you use or something? You mentioned Parsec, is there any unique way you use that or do you just use it normally?
You have ignored the biggest drawback of WSL2, storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS. NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
That was true several years ago with wsl1. Wsl2 runs on a lightweight hyper-v bare metal hypervisor running on a real Linux kermel. Also it's not ntfs that's slow it's the NT Windows kernel opens a process not a thread to do an IO operation. It's not a problem with win32 apps as it keeps the ntfs stream open through out the life of the program and only opens at startup once. Linux apps use io connections for each read write unlike Win32
I love Linux, but nowadays I'm solely running Windows on my main workspace. The only reason for this is the performance drawbacks and bugs that Nvidia users must deal with in the Linux world, especially those with different resolution monitors and refresh rate. If I was running an AMD system, then sure, Linux would be great! My Dell XPS laptop with an iGPU however works more than just fine, and was even unusable on Windows because of horribly bad drivers believe it or not. In the future I hope to see Nvidia and Wayland become as mature as the desktop experience on Windows is, and then I'll certainly look at running Linux on my workspace again. :))
The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS. NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
We can do the same with an ssh to a vm which has ubuntu server running on it and it just uses around 250 MB of RAM. And a backup friendly and portable vm is more reliable and customizable than WSL because if the host Operating System crashes, wsl dies along with it.
As a programmer and gamer, I find the Linux Desktop to be much better for my workflow. Having a proper package manager like pacman for all my favorite software(it even manages my favorite zsh extensions), being able to use my computer while it's updating, seamlessly launching software with my favorite DE, and being able to endlessly configure my system with my favorite text editor(much of my software having config files). I get that you could configure stuff in windows with vim, but Linux really invites you to do that sort of thing.
Agreed! I use both OS's and plan to keep doing that for awhile now, I really love how you can change anything you don't like in linux, don't like the web browser? Well you can use something else! It's very appreciated. What ZSH plugins do you use?
I converted from Fedora to Windows with WSL2 a long time ago. It was mainly due to gaming and nvidia optimus issues but since Windows is stable as hell since 5 yrs, I don't intend to go back to Linux again.
Windows is really resource heavy. I was using wsl for around year or so. Working with nodejs, django and docker was hard because wsl was crashing from time to time cos it was running out of RAM. I have 16gb of RAM, and it wasn't enough. I switched back to native Linux and it feels better now, cos now I don't need to restart the whole thing from time to time.
Never had those issues, maybe wsl 1, but since 2 there's barely any problems now, and it's getting updated a lot, I agree with Chris anyone using Linux mostly for productivity reasons, which includes me won't use Linux natively much now, I only use Linux desktop now to see what's new or not, but go straight back to windows once my stroll through distro valley is done.
It's not resource heavy. Whats going on is the NT Windows kernel uses a big process creation routine when an app is launched to ready an ntfs read write stream. It only happens once until the program is done. With Linux this happens every single read write as win32 is not used to keep the stream opened. Just a different architecture. Wsl2 works around this
The only time I use Windows is during a fibre / cctv install (there are certain tools I need to use) and when I use Windows its from a VM in Linux. There are also some older commercial phone systems I setup which can only be programmed using software which will only run on XP, which again I use VM. Also because of some of sites I work at I run a secure boot and fully encrypted drive. I left Windows for security and privacy reasons and see no reason to return. Its the same reason I left Apple, some of their features are very impressive (especially lately the "Find Me" network for one example - what other phone can be switched off with the sim removed and yet still be wiped by the owner if its been stolen?!), but I like to see what's going on and turn off stuff.
i dont know if i could ever switch from linux to windows after two years of being on linux desktop with out using windows i dont know if i could really use windows anymore like i mean i am just so use to linux and unix like opreating systems now that i dont know if i would ever use windows on the desktop for normal use now if im developing in C++ or lua or gaming then yeah i would most likely use windows but for ever day use and other development needs like html java and python then like i would rather use linux for those things and also college work i would rather use linux as well
The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS. NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
I am going to buy a new laptop soon, and windows 11 is enticing indeed🙄 With 16gb ram, maybe it will run fine. But, linux is just so responsive and customized to my taste that I am confused what to do😂
I think WSL is fine, but my problem with Windows won't be fixed by putting linux is a semi virtual machine to run along side it. If I want GNU tools, I use Cygwin, if I want tools like ssh they're just built into windows, etc etc. Not trying to be dogmatic or anything, but I don't really see the point in using WSL unless like you said I'm programming. Even at my job it's pretty easy to manage linux servers from windows machines, and Cygwin along with some other tools have helped me far more than WSL has. Not to say I'm opposed to it, but WSL comes with it's own set of problems. Main Issues: - Separate account login from regular windows login, in an enterprise environment where your password changes every 6 months this is annoying. - The permissions do not carry over to your windows "drive", so permissions are a bit wacky - In order to use commands from wsl in windows you have to do "wsl [command]" which is kind of annoying, as opposed to Cygwin where you have the binaries built for windows directly on your system - The core linux functionality that I love can't be included in WSL, as you mentioned. Systemd, grub, the way that the system handles kernel updates, networking, and KVM I think it's a cool thing to have, and certainly has it's uses, but I think you're overplaying what it is. Most tools that I use in linux are open source so I wouldn't even bother spinning up a virtual machine to use most of these things, because they're already on windows.
The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS. NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
@@maynnemillares have to admit HDD is very bad now days, i had one on my old laptop and using windows on it and it runs awful without optimizations, but SSD is kinda easy to get, it's cheap and most people buys it online, it's not hard to switch to it i suppose.
Chris, some video- technical advice. Make the window of you a bit bigger in OBS. At the moment your right-hand cuts off. :) There is no reason to not make it larger, right? The green screen is wide enough.
Linux daily driver desktop user here, no need to even try WSL. Daily system is dual-boot Win10 seldom used (came with laptop) and MX-Linux. But again, the pro users out there may find WSL useful. Nice work once again, Chris.
Because that would defeat the entire purpose of WSL. WSL is mostly meant for programmers who want to use Linux/UNIX tools in Windows. You might as well just run a full installation of a distro in a VM if you want a desktop environment.
I run vivaldi in wsl2 on windows 11 and its speed seems normal to me.
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I'm very doubtful about claim that systemd makes things slower. On the other hand there are (at least used to be in Windows 10) lot of processes running in background that slows things down. I think that power management is usually better in Windows. I'm getting almost twice as much battery life in Windows compared to Fedora 34 (Dell XPS 15 9500).
Well ya shouldnt make that opinion until you try other distros and other desktop environments. Gnome isn't a light weight desktop environment a s fedora isn't exactly known as the go to for laptops. It's a workstation meant distro.
My burning question is not about WSL but how did you do a video based background? Was it post video productions or is that in windows, and can I do it in linux?
it's hard to go back to windows with WSL2 after daily driving hyprland on arch for a few months. I still dual boot, but can't really go back to having to use a mouse as my main navigation device anymore.
I installed Ubuntu Linux on a brand new low-end Dell Inspiron laptop a few years back, overwriting the Windows 10 OS that came installed on it. I have done a dual boot on a Dell desktop in the past but I found it to be too inconvenient to reboot in order to go back and forth between systems. The laptop works great and is fun to use. There appear to be laptops you can buy with Linux installed but they are expensive and either from smaller boutique or artisanal companies, or like the Dell XPS 13 laptop which is rather difficult to procure. That said, I enabled WSL2 on my home desktop running windows 11. One drawback that I see initially is that you can only access the WSL portion of the file system through a CLI. I think that might make it difficult to use. My Linux laptop is running X windows if I am not mistaken, which makes it infinitely easier to use.
man when you hit that tuxracer game, it immediately threw me back in time to when I was like 5 years old, playing this masterpiece of software on my parent's home-pc. it ran windows 98 though so it should be available for windows, at least back in the day it was. the first thing I had to think of before you even started the game was actually its theme song: being so deeply carved into my neuro structure, I'll never forget it... haven't seen this game for probably a decade, that alone makes this video great to me already! when it comes to wsl, I actually stopped using my debian vm a while ago to manage my linux servers from inside my windows system. it's just so much nicer having tmux and bash scripts available inside windows terminal, I haven't used any guis yet. I think your statement hits the nail: it's a good solution for all kinds of productivity tasks but nothing really otherworldly. I like that it's there!
I started using WSL about a year ago for programming, and the fact I could run docker next to it. I run absolutely No graphic. Before I had been on Linux since 1997. I still have 2 machines that run Linux. One is an Arch box and the other Ubuntu. I started out on A&TT B3 and OpenVMS. OpenVMS is still the best OS I have ever used.
I love WSL2. And how far it came. I use it extensively on my Work Laptop issued by company which has windows 10. The way the integrated windows and linus is awesome. I can use tmux with powershell inside the panes. How cool is that. Quite better than managing multiple tabs.
I found a weird issue with WSL(g), pressing alt+f4 didn't close gedit or any other app window. Not sure if other keyboard shortcuts also have this issue.
Well in the same realm as you are chris, have left linux after 2 years of gaining experience in window managers, vim and all of those lustrous terminal utilities that i learnt from luke and you, as a programmer who needs windows utilities like C# etc for app development and photoshop, xd etc for UI/UX wsl has been a blessing in disguise for me and honestly i'm going to stay in windows for now untill linux gets full support for the applications that i desire, Also autohotkey, plumb(automatic tiling for windows) etc has given me a near linux functionality for windows so i know i'm not that much missing out
WSL in awesome. I'm studying right now, and the ability to be in linux and windows at the same time with no performance loss gives me the ability to expand on my computer knowledge much faster. I'm not commiting to one or another anymore.
There are some issues that make WSL unusable for programmers and professionals (unless they have fixed them by now). WSL cant mount drives, so I cant access my ext4 drives on windows. There are third party windows applications to "mount" drives but it doesn't work for >= 4TB drives and it doesn't really mount the drives properly. WSL doesn't properly support /proc, which means programming debugging tools such as valgrind and clang sanitizers dont work. They are essential to programmers using systems programming languages such as c and c++. There has also been bugs that corrupt the filesystem in WSL 1 and WSL 2. It was never fixed in WSL 1 and I dont know the situation in WSL 2.
with wsl I can have all the powerfull shell commands on windows that i use on the daily basis and for my personal stuff without compromising my windows workflow and the apps I use
i dont use wsl2 because it uses hyper v in the background, causing my windows games to run slower. i mainly use vmware and ssh terminal to do stuff in linux.
Question for you all. If windows don't know how to use a device but native linux does will that device we usable in Linux subsystem on windows? If you are interested in the specific scenario... Darktable under Linux can detect the Nikon D610 and do tethered shooting but not under windows... I suspect it's the USB driver and have seen videos of people changing the driver loaded for the D610 with a driver install tool (ZaDig?)... Not sure if the tool is legitimate or some trojan for something bad.
I do not know if you're talking WSL1 or WSL2. I've had both. Both of them have limitations. In my experience, WSL1 is a shitshow with permissions and WSL2 is the slowest trash I've ever come across. I do not recommend them in any way shape or form. You like the linux terminal? Yeah? Use linux. As easy as that. I had some years experience with linux, then went to Windows because of laziness and just having a reminder of how good and intuitive having linux feels, I wiped clean my machines from Windows and went back to linux. Same computers, they both FLY compared to WSL{1,2}. I hope this serves them well, now that Microsoft is trying to use the WSL to beg devs to stay on Windows, and in the most epic backfiring effect ever, they introduced so many to linux. If you just don't like linux, it's okay. If you like it but you can't switch because of work compatibility problems, I understand. But WSL is not an antidote for the lacks of Windows, just a mere painkiller.
0:50 "faster than native linux" i dont doubt it. when i started using linux i had an good first impression with everything being faster, but that was comparing it to windows vista wich was painfull slow. when i tried to compare to other systems (eg: xp, 7) it didnt performed so well, but there was always some excuses. "oh, linux is faster is just nvidia drivers for linux that arent good" "oh this game is running slower because its running on a translation layer, but if it was native it would be much faster" "oh this game is native but isnt a proper port because linux only have 1% of marketshare" then how can i know if linux is really faster, or if programs that run faster on it, are just more optimized for it? i can understand the question of system vs ecosystem but, if the nvidia drivers are running on the kernel anyway, didnt they count as part of the kernel, so we cant say linux is slower anyway? and if the windows drivers are more optimized, then maybe running linux on a virtualmachine inside windows that has proper drivers can be faster than running on baremetal.
Its definitely not faster tho. You can even see it in the video. Gedit, a simple editor takes 3 seconds to launch lol. I don‘t know what he thinks qualifies as faster, but my system instantly launches everything, and his pc is definitely faster than mine. Programs launch faster on my 2010 thinkpad x200 with native linux The reason for that is that on linux, the libraries for programs are already loaded, on windows I believe it first starts loading the libraries needed when you launch the program. Compare gimp launchtimes on windows and linux.
You got me in for the WSL. I swear, if MS never removes good stuff from older Windows and not having forced account and spying, I would never switch to Linux.
developing in WSL always slower for me.. don't know if it is because i use database in wsl instead of native windows, or it is always slow for php-fpm / ruby on rails / nodejs in WSL to give response
I am using Win10 with WSL on a very stubborn computer...I ran Chrome OS Flex on it for a while with the Linux subsystem. I tried several distros and none would work on that computer. Previously I was successful in installing Win7 but didn't find it very useful. I find Win10 with WSL is more useful than Chrome OS Flex with Linux subsystem. I wish this computer could run Linux...at very least on dual-boot! I use Linux on my other machines though!
I just apply myself to a virtual school wich asked me to install Linux, at least on Dual Boot, cause o "virtual" I wouldn't have performance enough. I'm making the first javascript on Google Chrome, and it seems to me that, TODAY, I would not notice this lack of performance. When I boot on linux Firefox seems to be more slow. It bothers me. Even with dual boot, I will install WSL to see, in the future, wich is the best option: only linux, dual boo, or the WSL linux.
Btw it successfully runs systemctl status for the last couple of years now :) I've faced some communities here on UA-cam where you just get banned only for mention of WSL2. Eventhough they are just web-developers. Only Linux or dual boot is the true path they say. And I don't get it. I think that for the vast majority of people it's more benefitial to set up Windows with WSL than having only Linux or dual boot. And I find it a true snobbery when a person who is not some sort of an OS engineer declares that installing Windows is the worst thing you can do with your machine.
I will say their is one use for WSL and thats for if you wanted to ssh into a linux server whether that would be ubuntu LTS 20.04 server or Red hat linux because you could just use WSL instead of installing putty and run your server through their i might build a windows PC just for that purpose to just ssh into a linux server whether that would be red hat or ubuntu or even debian
Windows can't 'extinguish' Linux because they can never control Linux. They tried that years ago after buying Novell and claiming they 'owned' Linux. The Linux World laughed heartily while lawyers pointed out various legal things that prevent Microsoft from even claiming to own Linux. That was the end of that attempt to extinguish Linux.
Lol, the funny thing is Microsoft, Amazon, Google, etc. all love the fact the Linux community is so hostile to cross platform users. They never have to worry about Linux. They simply can keep using and abusing FOSS and Linux in there data centers for profit and do NOT want anything to change.
@@TitusTechTalk Do you know why? Because the new generation of FOSS talking heads wants to be abused: "Gimme money and do whatever you want with my freedom". They take their paychecks from those monsters and don't give a f... about FOSS and the community. It was the "Embrace" step... Microsoft loves Linux like crocodile loves it's prey.
You say you are on Windows more because of WSL, i.e. because of GNU/Linux, its features and capabilities. So why are you on Windows, as a "working professional"? MS Office, Adobe?
I think that the game changer here is for the cybersecurity users aka hackers xd. With thing as Arch and with the customization they can do a lot more than in wsl. But I don't understand a lot of cybersecurity, I just follow youtube channels about that hahaha
The only thing windows does better is gaming. Now you can argue get Linux does it too but not 100%. I love Linux tho and when it gets to where it can play everything then I'm switching and never looking back
If youre talking about in the video he said in the video he still dual boots again their are pros and cons to using WSL in windows the best use for using WSL in my opinion is if you were going to ssh in to another linux machine like Ubuntu LTS server red hat Linux
But what did he do before running htop??? SSHing into his DNS server. So yeah his DNS server has systemd and is most probably not running windows and WSL...
In the end, big company always win because the have sooo much resource in almost anything. For me, I am still using Windows, Linux, and MacOS. I don't play games, so, the OS doesn't matter to me.
@@motoryzen diversity is fun, just like distros. Windows 10, I got the license from laptop (actually Microsoft rob me). MacOS, just curious with M1 processor. Linux, my daily drive OS until now.
yeah, it is fast enough (comparing to the rest of the OS)....though the terminal emulator is a piece of crap (just try to use it with a keyboard in more than 1 tab)
Chris, you already know my opinion in detail, I won't even watch this, not to spoil my mood anymore. Insta-dislike just for touching upon this solemn subject again :) "Let's agree to disagree." And yes, technically this thing works fine, but that's a bad thing.
@@cronchcrunch If you knew anything about Linux you would know that the numbers on every possible metric are better than they've ever been, and will soon be even better with the release of the steam deck. But you wouldn't know that if you just listen to a buffoon like Chris Titus who woke up one day and decided to bash Linux with misinformation and lies. Chris is one of those guys that instead of admitting he was wrong about something, he instead doubles down makes a fool of himself.
Windows and Linux is running in Hyper-V when WSL is installed, there is a security risk running WSL as you can exude and run Windows binaries without user permissions. I only use WSL when I am forced to use Windows in general its slower then Linux when you have fixed all the problems, Chris have you ever tried to run a no systemd distro?
Liked this video. I’m a web developer. Worked with Mac a until a few years back until docker became a standard more and more in projects. And switched to Linux professionally due to the slow fs volume mounts issue on Mac. Became a big Linux fan because of it. My personal old Mac is still working but out of updates and battery is dead. Considering switching back to windows because of wsl. Even though I screamed for years I’d never go back to windows 😄 tried wsl yesterday on a windows 11. Was installed quickly, ran into no problems whatsoever. Installed my projects, got my dev setup up and running as fast as in plain Linux installation. Gotta give Microsoft and the wsl developers credits.
WSL is the best thing that ever happened to Windows!
@@PostcardsFromJapan I daily drove all 3 for years (at different times). Used win since DOS times, then used os x around the Win Vista era or so, ran NixOS for maybe a year or two and I'm finally on win 11 these days.
In my opinion, win 11 these days is just the one with the fewest paper cuts. OS X is visually pretty, but it sits in a really weird place; the window manager is really pretty bad, not even being able to maximize or tile 50% easily is really bad. XQuartz worked, but it was a pain similar to VcXsrv and homebrew was really not good. Mac OS X was better than cygwin, but that's about it. But the moment you try to do anything in console, you very much feel that it's not gnu/linux. Obviously you want *Linux* for server purposes and there's usually enough of a semantic gap that it's never seamless.
Linux is in some ways great and I absolutely loved my xmonad on nixos setup. But the number of times I had to fix something random because again something was a bit non-standard, or because the screen would tear, etc. is horrible.
Windows on the other hand you just install and it works, it has a great hypervisor for headless servers, wsl is a perfect real linux environment that's 99% standard. You can run gui apps without messing around with good GPU perf. And you can easily live in a native-rendered vscode but code 100% on linux. It's very good dev environment. And yes, I'd love to have a dynamic tiler on windows, but with powertoys the native window manager is really quite usable and gets out of my way and I can focus on getting my things done.
And windows is just miles ahead on hw support. OS X is kinda ok, if you're careful to pick supported HW more or less (yes, there's such a thing as keyboards, printers or scanners and not everything is built into your macbook). Linux HW support is also pretty good these days, but you have to work for it.
My ideal system would be a gnu userland with the ability to use my own WM on top of a windows kernel. Linux as a kernel is completely irrelevant in all but very special use cases (e.g. running a 100Gbit router or similar). And the windows kernel is by far the best supported hw-wise.
It's the constant paper cuts of hw support on all but windows, the very limited window management on os x as well as being far from linux and the constant paper cuts with not-properly-working ux in linux that makes windows the least painful system for me.
Plus, there's of course some windows software that I need because interacting with the rest of the world so usually, there's at least some windows that's necessary. And it's much easier to run linux stuff on windows than vice versa. And os x is even worse, because neither linux nor windows stuff works easily. And not everything is logic pro.
Progamming on wsl feels smooth like butter, installing packages from NPM extremly fast compare to native windows. Working on framework like Laravel is much much much faster. I love this kind of windows products.
WSL is Microsoft's concession that they lost the war for the server side
And the development side and soon the desktop side.
@@ajarivas72 Windows has good management now, and will probably claw back any market share it lost, which was already miles ahread anyway, by setting up WSL they've clawed a lot of productivity users back. Windows 11 is quite an improvement on a desktop level as-well, but I agree they aren't as strong on the server side.
Though all of this a good thing, it will make Apple and Linux in general have to up their game.
@@devilmanscott I agree with you Scott
@@ajarivas72i agree with the server side, semi-agree with development and disagree with desktop.
about the development, it pretty much depends on what you code, i make programs for Windows so i have to use a windows machine but if that's not the case for you, i guess you'll be fine with linux.
and the desktop side, no, just no. please stop saying this ridiculous sentence every. single. year. no linux is not going to destroy macos and windows. its marketshare is always gonna be %1-5 at best. it's not for everyone, it's completely different from windows, even with linux mint/manjaro.
@@nerdotechnology
While this generation will most likely stick to Windows out of comfort, thanks to Valve and the Fedora project, there is really no reason for the next one to.
I think we could potentially see the story of Blender repeat itself.
10:18 I can say one thing that, wsl is definitely holding me back to not completely migrate to linux!
Listen.
If sql is sequel
And Json is Jason
THEN WSL IS WEASEL
Yes lol
"There is no systemd so it's fast"
The whole windows bloats : allow us to introduce ourselves
yep, pretty ironic
There's this "Windows subsystem for android" on windows 11 soon which i wonder if it could have same experience as WSL without having to dual boot to android x86. In that case it would be cool to have 3 in 1 native crossover apps in just 1 OS.
Windows subsystem for MacOS and Windows subsystem for iOS when? :3
@@NuryPPanaligan apple apps on windows?
*visible disgust*
They couldn't do that because anything from Apple isn't open sourced like Android is
The main reason I don't use Linux as my main system is that I haven't found a linux distro that handles different resolution monitor setups as good as Windows does. (I use 3 monitors, one 4k and 2 slightly older ones with lower res) I use WSL daily, but I still hope that I can one day use a native Linux distro as my daily driver.
Does Fedora not cope with that? Always thought that needs a Wayland based display system to make that use case work properly. So AMD and Fedora are probably the best bet for that. NVidia are doing some work for Wayland in their driver don't know how good it is though.
That was 2 years back, I think now is a different story with Wayland on ~all distros and so much improvements done.
@@themedleb I'm using Wayland with Nvidia with 2 monitors, and it works great most of the time, the only pain in the ass is that sometimes for some reason the graphics takes longer to show up after logging in, don't know if that's because of KDE Plasma 6, NIxOS (that's what I'm using), Nvidia or Wayland. That doesn't happens with X11 though
I like the new WSL on Windows 11 as it provides native graphics support. I'm a physicist who do a bit of simulation work and the library I use only works in Unix systems, with the recommended install being in a conda environment. My work laptop uses Windows so obviously Anaconda in WSL is perfect. My 10 year old home computer runs Ubuntu
I'm loving WSL2 and found myself using windows more often.
I still have my dual boot. and i don't think I'm getting rid of it any time soon.
The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS.
NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
@@maynnemillares ext4 on an HDD feels as fast as NTFS on SSD, how is that possible, I don't know 😅
I have my gaming machine running Win 10 and I remote connect to it from my Linux/Android systems either via SSH or Parsec/NoMachine.
It's solid combo that works, especially since I am really casual these days anyway and I don't want to waste so much electricity just for web browsing or Discord.
Woahhh hold on, that sounds like a dream come true for me... But I don't understand how that works?
Ive tried remote gaming before, even with both machines on Ethernet and the same local network, but it has always came with some caveats. Lag, occasional stuttering, reduced quality, all that kind of stuff. Do you experience any kind of reduced quality when you game or is it just as good?
Could you link a guide or mention the specific method you use or something? You mentioned Parsec, is there any unique way you use that or do you just use it normally?
You have ignored the biggest drawback of WSL2, storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS.
NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
That was true several years ago with wsl1. Wsl2 runs on a lightweight hyper-v bare metal hypervisor running on a real Linux kermel.
Also it's not ntfs that's slow it's the NT Windows kernel opens a process not a thread to do an IO operation. It's not a problem with win32 apps as it keeps the ntfs stream open through out the life of the program and only opens at startup once. Linux apps use io connections for each read write unlike Win32
I love Linux, but nowadays I'm solely running Windows on my main workspace. The only reason for this is the performance drawbacks and bugs that Nvidia users must deal with in the Linux world, especially those with different resolution monitors and refresh rate. If I was running an AMD system, then sure, Linux would be great! My Dell XPS laptop with an iGPU however works more than just fine, and was even unusable on Windows because of horribly bad drivers believe it or not.
In the future I hope to see Nvidia and Wayland become as mature as the desktop experience on Windows is, and then I'll certainly look at running Linux on my workspace again. :))
The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS.
NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
@@maynnemillares I'm solely running SSD drives on Windows. Samba drives and Jellyfin for other files and such, on a Linux host with ext4.
We can do the same with an ssh to a vm which has ubuntu server running on it and it just uses around 250 MB of RAM. And a backup friendly and portable vm is more reliable and customizable than WSL because if the host Operating System crashes, wsl dies along with it.
@Catharsis we can backup and create copies of the VMs and store them in external drives but we can't do the same with wsl
What kind of VM's are you talking about ?
As a programmer and gamer, I find the Linux Desktop to be much better for my workflow.
Having a proper package manager like pacman for all my favorite software(it even manages my favorite zsh extensions), being able to use my computer while it's updating, seamlessly launching software with my favorite DE, and being able to endlessly configure my system with my favorite text editor(much of my software having config files).
I get that you could configure stuff in windows with vim, but Linux really invites you to do that sort of thing.
Agreed! I use both OS's and plan to keep doing that for awhile now, I really love how you can change anything you don't like in linux, don't like the web browser? Well you can use something else! It's very appreciated.
What ZSH plugins do you use?
@@emberavenge7162 Just syntax highlighting and auto suggestions pretty much! There might be others in the repos too but I've never looked
WSL is a win win!
Could u do a guide/tutorial video to have the fish bowl in terminal as screensaver or stuff like that? :-)
I converted from Fedora to Windows with WSL2 a long time ago. It was mainly due to gaming and nvidia optimus issues but since Windows is stable as hell since 5 yrs, I don't intend to go back to Linux again.
@Jameel Khan exactly bro
Windows is really resource heavy. I was using wsl for around year or so. Working with nodejs, django and docker was hard because wsl was crashing from time to time cos it was running out of RAM. I have 16gb of RAM, and it wasn't enough. I switched back to native Linux and it feels better now, cos now I don't need to restart the whole thing from time to time.
Never had those issues, maybe wsl 1, but since 2 there's barely any problems now, and it's getting updated a lot, I agree with Chris anyone using Linux mostly for productivity reasons, which includes me won't use Linux natively much now, I only use Linux desktop now to see what's new or not, but go straight back to windows once my stroll through distro valley is done.
It's not resource heavy. Whats going on is the NT Windows kernel uses a big process creation routine when an app is launched to ready an ntfs read write stream. It only happens once until the program is done. With Linux this happens every single read write as win32 is not used to keep the stream opened. Just a different architecture.
Wsl2 works around this
The only time I use Windows is during a fibre / cctv install (there are certain tools I need to use) and when I use Windows its from a VM in Linux. There are also some older commercial phone systems I setup which can only be programmed using software which will only run on XP, which again I use VM. Also because of some of sites I work at I run a secure boot and fully encrypted drive.
I left Windows for security and privacy reasons and see no reason to return. Its the same reason I left Apple, some of their features are very impressive (especially lately the "Find Me" network for one example - what other phone can be switched off with the sim removed and yet still be wiped by the owner if its been stolen?!), but I like to see what's going on and turn off stuff.
i dont know if i could ever switch from linux to windows after two years of being on linux desktop with out using windows i dont know if i could really use windows anymore like i mean i am just so use to linux and unix like opreating systems now that i dont know if i would ever use windows on the desktop for normal use now if im developing in C++ or lua or gaming then yeah i would most likely use windows but for ever day use and other development needs like html java and python then like i would rather use linux for those things and also college work i would rather use linux as well
The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS.
NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
@@maynnemillares yeah I dont know what thats like because I haven't used windows in like 2 years lol so but that sounds like a pain though
I am going to buy a new laptop soon, and windows 11 is enticing indeed🙄 With 16gb ram, maybe it will run fine. But, linux is just so responsive and customized to my taste that I am confused what to do😂
Use Linux switched to it and it’s much nicer
Use linux obviously, or if you want to take up to +4gb of ram idle and +20gb of internal space go for windows
@@klittlet the reason for the bloated RAM requirement: Spyware
@@CoasterMan13Officialjust debloat it :)
The problem for me with Windows are its endless updates and that Microsoft constant promotion of its AI on it
I think WSL is fine, but my problem with Windows won't be fixed by putting linux is a semi virtual machine to run along side it. If I want GNU tools, I use Cygwin, if I want tools like ssh they're just built into windows, etc etc. Not trying to be dogmatic or anything, but I don't really see the point in using WSL unless like you said I'm programming.
Even at my job it's pretty easy to manage linux servers from windows machines, and Cygwin along with some other tools have helped me far more than WSL has. Not to say I'm opposed to it, but WSL comes with it's own set of problems.
Main Issues:
- Separate account login from regular windows login, in an enterprise environment where your password changes every 6 months this is annoying.
- The permissions do not carry over to your windows "drive", so permissions are a bit wacky
- In order to use commands from wsl in windows you have to do "wsl [command]" which is kind of annoying, as opposed to Cygwin where you have the binaries built for windows directly on your system
- The core linux functionality that I love can't be included in WSL, as you mentioned. Systemd, grub, the way that the system handles kernel updates, networking, and KVM
I think it's a cool thing to have, and certainly has it's uses, but I think you're overplaying what it is. Most tools that I use in linux are open source so I wouldn't even bother spinning up a virtual machine to use most of these things, because they're already on windows.
The biggest drawback of WSL2 is storage file system. WSL depends on the underlying Windows NTFS.
NTFS in 2021 is really terrible, especially for disk-intensive tasks. Let us not go to the direction of using NTFS on an HDD, as that is the worst experience for everyone on Windows.
@@maynnemillares what are you talking about? Even microsoft recommend using linux fs and it's faster than native linux
@@maynnemillares have to admit HDD is very bad now days, i had one on my old laptop and using windows on it and it runs awful without optimizations, but SSD is kinda easy to get, it's cheap and most people buys it online, it's not hard to switch to it i suppose.
such a pleasure watching your videos. Thank's a lot!
Chris, some video- technical advice. Make the window of you a bit bigger in OBS. At the moment your right-hand cuts off. :)
There is no reason to not make it larger, right? The green screen is wide enough.
Linux daily driver desktop user here, no need to even try WSL. Daily system is dual-boot Win10 seldom used (came with laptop) and MX-Linux. But again, the pro users out there may find WSL useful. Nice work once again, Chris.
why WSL has no Desktop environment?
Because that would defeat the entire purpose of WSL.
WSL is mostly meant for programmers who want to use Linux/UNIX tools in Windows.
You might as well just run a full installation of a distro in a VM if you want a desktop environment.
I ran firefox in WSL with xlaunch to have an isolated Browser. It was so slow
I run vivaldi in wsl2 on windows 11 and its speed seems normal to me.
I'm very doubtful about claim that systemd makes things slower. On the other hand there are (at least used to be in Windows 10) lot of processes running in background that slows things down.
I think that power management is usually better in Windows. I'm getting almost twice as much battery life in Windows compared to Fedora 34 (Dell XPS 15 9500).
Well ya shouldnt make that opinion until you try other distros and other desktop environments. Gnome isn't a light weight desktop environment a s fedora isn't exactly known as the go to for laptops. It's a workstation meant distro.
My burning question is not about WSL but how did you do a video based background? Was it post video productions or is that in windows, and can I do it in linux?
it's hard to go back to windows with WSL2 after daily driving hyprland on arch for a few months.
I still dual boot, but can't really go back to having to use a mouse as my main navigation device anymore.
is wsl a good option for someone like me who dont know anything about Linus but have to switch for terminal based os for coding purposes
How about running Proton on WSL to play Windows games?
LoL.😁 Yeap...well put
I used WSL to learn the linux shell before I switched.
This is helpful!
I just cannot get down with the Windows workflow or UI haven't touched WSL at all
I installed Ubuntu Linux on a brand new low-end Dell Inspiron laptop a few years back, overwriting the Windows 10 OS that came installed on it. I have done a dual boot on a Dell desktop in the past but I found it to be too inconvenient to reboot in order to go back and forth between systems. The laptop works great and is fun to use. There appear to be laptops you can buy with Linux installed but they are expensive and either from smaller boutique or artisanal companies, or like the Dell XPS 13 laptop which is rather difficult to procure. That said, I enabled WSL2 on my home desktop running windows 11. One drawback that I see initially is that you can only access the WSL portion of the file system through a CLI. I think that might make it difficult to use. My Linux laptop is running X windows if I am not mistaken, which makes it infinitely easier to use.
Thank you, Chris. Obviously not for me but I can see how it could be nice for you.
man when you hit that tuxracer game, it immediately threw me back in time to when I was like 5 years old, playing this masterpiece of software on my parent's home-pc. it ran windows 98 though so it should be available for windows, at least back in the day it was. the first thing I had to think of before you even started the game was actually its theme song: being so deeply carved into my neuro structure, I'll never forget it... haven't seen this game for probably a decade, that alone makes this video great to me already!
when it comes to wsl, I actually stopped using my debian vm a while ago to manage my linux servers from inside my windows system. it's just so much nicer having tmux and bash scripts available inside windows terminal, I haven't used any guis yet.
I think your statement hits the nail: it's a good solution for all kinds of productivity tasks but nothing really otherworldly. I like that it's there!
I started using WSL about a year ago for programming, and the fact I could run docker next to it. I run absolutely No graphic. Before I had been on Linux since 1997. I still have 2 machines that run Linux. One is an Arch box and the other Ubuntu. I started out on A&TT B3 and OpenVMS. OpenVMS is still the best OS I have ever used.
Finally!! Thank you sir!
WSL is my gateway drug to Linux.
Linux in Windows is the abomination of desolation......
Yay! Another Linux vid
I love WSL2. And how far it came. I use it extensively on my Work Laptop issued by company which has windows 10.
The way the integrated windows and linus is awesome. I can use tmux with powershell inside the panes. How cool is that. Quite better than managing multiple tabs.
WSL is great for doing basic things and experimenting.
I do some complex things with it though
Alongside Data Science, software development, private web browsing (maybe?), etc.
@@anurag23611
So do I
You can do very complex things
Good video, good information to who do not know the systems and what WSL is. Thanks Chris but I keep using dual boot :P :)
You just described my current personal work machine.
I found a weird issue with WSL(g), pressing alt+f4 didn't close gedit or any other app window. Not sure if other keyboard shortcuts also have this issue.
@discrete I am talking about closing apps not closing the wsl vm
Well in the same realm as you are chris, have left linux after 2 years of gaining experience in window managers, vim and all of those lustrous terminal utilities that i learnt from luke and you, as a programmer who needs windows utilities like C# etc for app development and photoshop, xd etc for UI/UX wsl has been a blessing in disguise for me and honestly i'm going to stay in windows for now untill linux gets full support for the applications that i desire, Also autohotkey, plumb(automatic tiling for windows) etc has given me a near linux functionality for windows so i know i'm not that much missing out
Thanks for the explanation!
3:44 tux racing, chris should try hands on gaming. Kek
I tried wsl and i ended up just using a virtualbox with ubuntu in the office. at home just linux.
The idea of running a decently secure OS on top of the inherently insecure Windows subsystem makes me cringe.
"I put Linux in your Windows, so you can have security while losing security!"
Maybe you people are just addicted to cringe on everything. Who cringes in each and every thing they see out there ?
How does virtualizing windows together with linux make linux insecure?
WSL in awesome.
I'm studying right now, and the ability to be in linux and windows at the same time with no performance loss gives me the ability to expand on my computer knowledge much faster. I'm not commiting to one or another anymore.
I did convert from development on Windows to development on WSL - compilation of my project is twice as fast in Linux
Please a link to your wallpaper plz
Couldn't get virtmanager working on wsl unfortunately
How does the git desktop work with WSL?
There are some issues that make WSL unusable for programmers and professionals (unless they have fixed them by now).
WSL cant mount drives, so I cant access my ext4 drives on windows. There are third party windows applications to "mount" drives but it doesn't work for >= 4TB drives and it doesn't really mount the drives properly.
WSL doesn't properly support /proc, which means programming debugging tools such as valgrind and clang sanitizers dont work. They are essential to programmers using systems programming languages such as c and c++.
There has also been bugs that corrupt the filesystem in WSL 1 and WSL 2. It was never fixed in WSL 1 and I dont know the situation in WSL 2.
with wsl I can have all the powerfull shell commands on windows that i use on the daily basis and for my personal stuff without compromising my windows workflow and the apps I use
i dont use wsl2 because it uses hyper v in the background, causing my windows games to run slower.
i mainly use vmware and ssh terminal to do stuff in linux.
just stop it from running in the background
@@anantav51 wow how do you do that bob
Chris, how can you get X to work under WSL doesn't it need to WSL2 for that to work?
I don’t see why this is a thing, I would understand if it was made the other way around
Cheers Mate.
suprisingly in certain test gpu passthrough windows was faster writing to disk/virtual disk then native baremetal windows was
I use wsl all the time. Most of my dev work is based around docker wich uses WSL2 to run.
Can you do things like timedatectl? I can't do it in wsl unless I'm doing something wrong, but I could do it in a linode.
I love the cli side of linux. And that's what I want which wsl gives me with no problem.
Question for you all. If windows don't know how to use a device but native linux does will that device we usable in Linux subsystem on windows? If you are interested in the specific scenario... Darktable under Linux can detect the Nikon D610 and do tethered shooting but not under windows... I suspect it's the USB driver and have seen videos of people changing the driver loaded for the D610 with a driver install tool (ZaDig?)... Not sure if the tool is legitimate or some trojan for something bad.
can i use dragon os on wsl in windows11? Or Run SDRconnect for my Software Define Radios,
I do not know if you're talking WSL1 or WSL2. I've had both. Both of them have limitations. In my experience, WSL1 is a shitshow with permissions and WSL2 is the slowest trash I've ever come across. I do not recommend them in any way shape or form. You like the linux terminal? Yeah? Use linux. As easy as that.
I had some years experience with linux, then went to Windows because of laziness and just having a reminder of how good and intuitive having linux feels, I wiped clean my machines from Windows and went back to linux. Same computers, they both FLY compared to WSL{1,2}. I hope this serves them well, now that Microsoft is trying to use the WSL to beg devs to stay on Windows, and in the most epic backfiring effect ever, they introduced so many to linux.
If you just don't like linux, it's okay. If you like it but you can't switch because of work compatibility problems, I understand. But WSL is not an antidote for the lacks of Windows, just a mere painkiller.
0:50
"faster than native linux"
i dont doubt it.
when i started using linux i had an good first impression with everything being faster, but that was comparing it to windows vista wich was painfull slow.
when i tried to compare to other systems (eg: xp, 7) it didnt performed so well, but there was always some excuses.
"oh, linux is faster is just nvidia drivers for linux that arent good"
"oh this game is running slower because its running on a translation layer, but if it was native it would be much faster"
"oh this game is native but isnt a proper port because linux only have 1% of marketshare"
then how can i know if linux is really faster, or if programs that run faster on it, are just more optimized for it?
i can understand the question of system vs ecosystem but, if the nvidia drivers are running on the kernel anyway, didnt they count as part of the kernel, so we cant say linux is slower anyway?
and if the windows drivers are more optimized, then maybe running linux on a virtualmachine inside windows that has proper drivers can be faster than running on baremetal.
Its definitely not faster tho. You can even see it in the video. Gedit, a simple editor takes 3 seconds to launch lol. I don‘t know what he thinks qualifies as faster, but my system instantly launches everything, and his pc is definitely faster than mine.
Programs launch faster on my 2010 thinkpad x200 with native linux
The reason for that is that on linux, the libraries for programs are already loaded, on windows I believe it first starts loading the libraries needed when you launch the program. Compare gimp launchtimes on windows and linux.
Awesome video 🙌. I mainly use wls for software development, and to learn more about Linux.
Actually windows is not that bad, just that it requires more ram and cpu usage. Most laptops in the market are puny, they better run linux
You got me in for the WSL. I swear, if MS never removes good stuff from older Windows and not having forced account and spying, I would never switch to Linux.
developing in WSL always slower for me.. don't know if it is because i use database in wsl instead of native windows, or it is always slow for php-fpm / ruby on rails / nodejs in WSL to give response
I am using Win10 with WSL on a very stubborn computer...I ran Chrome OS Flex on it for a while with the Linux subsystem. I tried several distros and none would work on that computer. Previously I was successful in installing Win7 but didn't find it very useful. I find Win10 with WSL is more useful than Chrome OS Flex with Linux subsystem. I wish this computer could run Linux...at very least on dual-boot! I use Linux on my other machines though!
I just apply myself to a virtual school wich asked me to install Linux, at least on Dual Boot, cause o "virtual" I wouldn't have performance enough. I'm making the first javascript on Google Chrome, and it seems to me that, TODAY, I would not notice this lack of performance. When I boot on linux Firefox seems to be more slow. It bothers me. Even with dual boot, I will install WSL to see, in the future, wich is the best option: only linux, dual boo, or the WSL linux.
Btw it successfully runs systemctl status for the last couple of years now :)
I've faced some communities here on UA-cam where you just get banned only for mention of WSL2. Eventhough they are just web-developers. Only Linux or dual boot is the true path they say.
And I don't get it.
I think that for the vast majority of people it's more benefitial to set up Windows with WSL than having only Linux or dual boot. And I find it a true snobbery when a person who is not some sort of an OS engineer declares that installing Windows is the worst thing you can do with your machine.
I will say their is one use for WSL and thats for if you wanted to ssh into a linux server whether that would be ubuntu LTS 20.04 server or Red hat linux because you could just use WSL instead of installing putty and run your server through their i might build a windows PC just for that purpose to just ssh into a linux server whether that would be red hat or ubuntu or even debian
Windows supports OpenSSH natively,without WSL.
Lol at gedit taking 3 seconds to launch while he probably uses a supercomputer
"Extend" is here. "Extinguish" is coming next... And Chris is excited about that...
Windows can't 'extinguish' Linux because they can never control Linux. They tried that years ago after buying Novell and claiming they 'owned' Linux. The Linux World laughed heartily while lawyers pointed out various legal things that prevent Microsoft from even claiming to own Linux. That was the end of that attempt to extinguish Linux.
@@markh.6687 Those days we had people with ideals like Stallman. Nowadays we have people like Titus...
Lol, the funny thing is Microsoft, Amazon, Google, etc. all love the fact the Linux community is so hostile to cross platform users. They never have to worry about Linux. They simply can keep using and abusing FOSS and Linux in there data centers for profit and do NOT want anything to change.
@@TitusTechTalk Do you know why? Because the new generation of FOSS talking heads wants to be abused: "Gimme money and do whatever you want with my freedom". They take their paychecks from those monsters and don't give a f... about FOSS and the community. It was the "Embrace" step... Microsoft loves Linux like crocodile loves it's prey.
I also dualboot linux and windows. And also use wsl.
mac os: look what they need to do to mimic a fraction of my power
I use dualboot windows 11 and linux mint. I use windows 11 for gaming and linux mint for productivity.
Using linux in windows but still getting spyed on by microsoft
You say you are on Windows more because of WSL, i.e. because of GNU/Linux, its features and capabilities.
So why are you on Windows, as a "working professional"? MS Office, Adobe?
I think that the game changer here is for the cybersecurity users aka hackers xd. With thing as Arch and with the customization they can do a lot more than in wsl. But I don't understand a lot of cybersecurity, I just follow youtube channels about that hahaha
kdenlive has a native Windows version
Honestly I still don't see why I'd use Windows.
Yeah, it just doesn't have any thing going for it for me personally
The only thing windows does better is gaming. Now you can argue get Linux does it too but not 100%. I love Linux tho and when it gets to where it can play everything then I'm switching and never looking back
So will you not be using linux anymore?
He will.
He is still covering linux it is not his main priority his main priority is covering windows at the moment not Linux
If youre talking about in the video he said in the video he still dual boots again their are pros and cons to using WSL in windows the best use for using WSL in my opinion is if you were going to ssh in to another linux machine like Ubuntu LTS server red hat Linux
@@techdoc9257 hey stop jumping on the conclusions here.
@@nishantshokeen4279 I'm not?
"There is no soystemd"
The htop results show systemd processes
But what did he do before running htop??? SSHing into his DNS server. So yeah his DNS server has systemd and is most probably not running windows and WSL...
WSL is so slow. I wrote a Shell script that my Linux installed Intel celron netbook beat the Windows Intel i7
Tux Racing, LOL. That is the world's only quad A Plus title, isn't it? :) Poor windows gamers, they don't have it without WSL. :))
In the end, big company always win because the have sooo much resource in almost anything.
For me, I am still using Windows, Linux, and MacOS. I don't play games, so, the OS doesn't matter to me.
Do you create videos or edit music...if no...then why are you using Mac os? If that is the case then why not keep it simple and simply only use Linux.
@@motoryzen diversity is fun, just like distros.
Windows 10, I got the license from laptop (actually Microsoft rob me).
MacOS, just curious with M1 processor.
Linux, my daily drive OS until now.
Would be nice tr try wine our proton in wsl.
But this is not why wsl is made.
I just want LSW & LSA..
yeah, it is fast enough (comparing to the rest of the OS)....though the terminal emulator is a piece of crap (just try to use it with a keyboard in more than 1 tab)
Chris, you already know my opinion in detail, I won't even watch this, not to spoil my mood anymore. Insta-dislike just for touching upon this solemn subject again :) "Let's agree to disagree." And yes, technically this thing works fine, but that's a bad thing.
He knows he is spreading misinformation on purpose, other Linux channels are already talking about him trying to be an edgy contrarian.
@@kelvinhbo Lmao if you look at the numbers then you'd notice that it's actually the butthurt Linux diehards who are the "edgy contrarians."
@@cronchcrunch If you knew anything about Linux you would know that the numbers on every possible metric are better than they've ever been, and will soon be even better with the release of the steam deck. But you wouldn't know that if you just listen to a buffoon like Chris Titus who woke up one day and decided to bash Linux with misinformation and lies.
Chris is one of those guys that instead of admitting he was wrong about something, he instead doubles down makes a fool of himself.
Windows and Linux is running in Hyper-V when WSL is installed, there is a security risk running WSL as you can exude and run Windows binaries without user permissions.
I only use WSL when I am forced to use Windows in general its slower then Linux when you have fixed all the problems, Chris have you ever tried to run a no systemd distro?